Citizen Wrongly Arrested For "Trespassing" His Own Property
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Always do. Love these. My kids like seeing it too. So they know how to not mess up their future from deception and how to behave in an encounter with officers that aren’t full of integrity
hmmmm
Whatever happened to the other, older narrator? I thought I heard like a year ago he had a medical issue and surgery? And that was the last I heard.
@Scottjon Dansteve after he graded him, he said a bunch of words. Those words were explaining the grade. Why don't you refute something instead of pouting? Or offer up some kind of perspective
I'd grade you a D on thinking before you act.
Always!
Giving him the ticket after they KNEW he was innocent to avoid looking bad is what really should wake people up.
They didn't issue the ticket to keep from looking bad, they issued the ticket as a retaliatory action for not instantly and fully submitting to their abusive authority.
Do you live here yeah, Yeah, sure you do,,, Then you don’t have any donuts in the house yeah, bullshit,,, Where is the lemon pound cake?,,, We need to confiscate that too,,,
Oh yeah, there’s no way this is a dirty cop,,,👮♂️
This is the way
And that's what's so sad is they can't admit to when there wrong
I got arrested for breaking and entering into my own house . I wasn't too mad though because I did take the air conditioner out of one of the windows since I locked my keys in the house . What made me mad is they took me to jail and charged me with a felony B&E after looking at my ID . When I went to court I handed the judge the very same ID and he immediately dismissed the case . He was very unhappy with the cops .
Just dropped an identical comment. I never went to court though. They believed me and left once I showed the ID.
i usually side with the cops, but that was wrong.
"Why dont people like us?" -police
That's a lawsuit
What state is this? There's shitty cops, but charging you with a felony after providing adequate proof of residency is entering the realm of retardation.
I get so angry when cops or anyone starts flinging mental health against people who are legitimately upset or just exercising thier rights.
@@johnreiner3247 like low IQ trolls on COD
Well, you are not suspicious to them when you wear 30 000 dollar clothes, have a million-dollar ship, and other stuff.
This means every ordinary person, who is relaxing enjoying a little bit of nature, is suspicious.
The cops and authorities should be grateful that the air is clean, that the forests are not in the fire, that people enjoy spending some time in the forest and doing sports.
I didn't know that forest is somebody´s property unless the person is living in some castle, which includes part of the forest.
Forests are usually the property of the state, and everybody has the right to go there and exercise. You should walk every day in nature for minimally 45 minutes, to avoid dementia, Alzheimer's, etc.
Cops are the last people on earth who should be making presumptions about anyones mental health.
Because it’s considered “crazy” to stand up to cops when they unjustifiably approach you. The 911 caller also does not suffer any consequences.😡
Yeah i am sorry but this is not the way talking to a cop... it makes you seem really suspicious..This is not how you answer questions and try to defuse the situation.
What’s disgusting is you know the one cop did not seriously suspect the homeowner had mental health problems, he was angry that the homeowner did not unquestionably submit to his authority and was considering abusing his power as a police officer to involuntarily commit the homeowner to punish him.
They're not police officers, they're SS soldiers of the American Gestapo.
Why do you say homeowner, they're not at the home ?
The moment the second officer refused to give his name and badge number is the moment he earned the distrust of the civilian. The officer jumped to conclusions right off the top. This escalation was entirely unnecessary.
I would assume that if an officer refuses to give name and number then legally we are under no obligation to believe he is? Couldn't see it working any other way.
@@DatJNP yes. I am not sure what the federal ruling would be, but many states have a mandate requiring self identification from police officers, so it has become common practice. However, most civilians are either too trusting or too intimidated by the police interaction to ask for that information. Therefore, there is a pretty big chance that the person asking is going to file a complaint or is being intentionally disruptive/confrontational. That seems to be the assumption this officer made.
To be honest and was act so suspicious by not answering half the questions
@@Turnip397 Yeah he was seeking problems
Yeah the 1st cop seemed pretty friendly/reasonable, the other seemed completely unreasonable and took complete charge of the situation which made it worse.
You can't be trespassed from a property except by the owner of the property or an agent acting on behalf of the owner. Neighbors can't trespass someone from their neighbors property.
Wouldn’t those cops be an agent acting on behalf of the owner in the presumed owner’s absence?
@@Funkbass85 No, because an agent must be someone who has been delegated authority through a legally binding relationship (contract, kinship) or has verbal/written authorization to do so. The cops could only do that if the verified property owner, or their agent, gave them that authorization. The moment you call the cops and tell them you want someone trespassed from your property and you make contact with the responding officer and agree to go through with it, only then are they able to act as your agent in trespassing someone.
The responding officers must make all reasonable effort to make contact with the property owner or their agent and verify that status before trespassing someone. These guys are posterboys for the endemic problem of cops not wanting to make any reasonable effort to do anything and instead choose the path of least resistance that works most of the time: abuse of authority and intimidation. And they get upset when that doesn't work.
@christianastorga4565 with your mindset, your neighbour(s) or law enforcement could trespass you from your property while you sleep in your bed (breathing, bathing, cooking, eating, etcetera).
@@robinhollenbeck367 you’re gonna have to show your work on that one, cuz that’s one heck of a stretch.
@@Funkbass85It’s not a stretch.
Any officer that acts upon a belief that someone is guilty until proven innocent is not fit for law enforcement.
An officer can only go off based on what is in front of them. Instead of playing ring around the rosy, He could had proved he had a right to be there, within 30 seconds those cops would been back in their car.
@@joevsyou fuck that
@@joevsyou is that how the law works? Officer can just threaten to arrest anyone until you prove you are not guilty? If I'm leaving a bank the officer can arrest me for robbing the bank until I prove I just withdrew my own money?
I thought an officer needs a reasonable suspicion based on specific and articulable facts, taken together with rational inferences from those facts that a person had, is, or about to commit a crime. Not an "inchoate and unparticularized suspicion or hunch" Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)
@@joevsyou ugh, it's people like you who will eventually make our Constitution invalid. Use your god given rights or we will lose them.
@@joevsyou That's not how it works. And a callers words aren't evidence of anything. They're simply a callers words.
So if a random lady calls the police and says there is a trespasser, then they believe her. But when the property owner states that it is his own property, they don’t believe him…
This ☝️
Not a random lady. It's a neighbor. Get to know your neighbor.
@@bui3415 yes, but to the police, it’s a random lady
There's a record of the call and call out , all verbal out there , til later, at least there's a dash cam .
@@amcoho4 but I dont understand why ppl try to make themselves look more suspicious if its so easy to disprove.
That is one dangerous tyrant. The man told him he is pro civil rights and the cop says he might have to have him checked out for mental issues 😱
mama thats what they do to every one that stands up for their rights
When it all comes crashing down scores will be settled.
I mean... To be fair, the suspect wasn't exactly all that bright either. He kept on invoking the fifth amendment, but kept on talking in the most suspicious of ways possible, despite being innocent. He was provocative and evasive. Putting on the tough guy act when he should have just kept his mouth shut. The cop didn't handle it properly, but I can't completely pin the blame on him either. Just a case of two idiots colliding.
Good ole boy sheriff's deputy . . .
That Deputy needs severe demotion down to cell sweeper / toilet cleaner
Im honestly upset he didn't just tell them
"uh no... you're trespassing get off my property and leave me alone"
I got a lot of respect for people like this cause if I were on my own property WORKING I woulda flipped em off and kept going
So true. I understand how annoying it is when a random cop turns up and demands identity, or proof of ownership. But .... rather than argue over civil rights, would it not be simpler to say "Sure officer, here's my driving licence, my water bill, " whatever ?
@@trilliarobinson7862 Or maybe the officers could just respect my rights? People like you are why so many people don't really know their rights
@@trilliarobinson7862 No, because then the police think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want. Just like Roscoe P Coletrain here thinking that he can do whatever the hell he wants to this landowner based literally on a neighbor's phone call.
@@trilliarobinson7862 If you let this slide you're not going to be far away from neighbours who don't like you calling the cops on you and claiming they saw you step into a car that's not yours but theirs. Hoping some trigger happy cops answers the call. Is that the country you want to live in where cops just step up to people demanding you proof first something is yours before you can use it?
@@otmanh That IS the country that the US seems to be morphing into. Yes, of course it is wrong, but in cases like this, how hard would it have been for the man to simply step into his own house and find a bill or letter, or something, proving it is his. yes, it is police harassment, yes, he shouldn't have to do it. But in today's climate, getting into discussion with a police officer seems to be classed as "resisting arrest". Also, since these encounters are seemingly always recorded, better to appear to be co-operating, than appearing to resist. Humiliating, certainly. crazy, possibly. But sensible ? Maybe.
When that Cop said "I really think you have some mental issues going on." Is TERRIFYING.
THIS, right HERE, is why can can not allow our rights to be eroded, and we must excersize them.
Because if that Officer could, he would have HAPPILY stolen this man's freedom just because the guy didn't thank him for forcing himself into the man's life.
The Officer probably went home and told his Wife about this "crazy guy", not realizing that he himself, is the crazy, authority drunk, tyrant.
Well put. Yes, up until that point, the cop was an ignorant, arrogant, misinformed public servant on a power trip. But that threat tipped it over into a whole additional level of threat and ethical violations. Wow, just wow.
Yup
But I love metal. Metal head for life! 🤘💯
I used to work hospital security and part of our job was dealing with behavioral unit patients who were admitted under an emergency detention order by police. So many were normal people who just said the wrong thing or the caller lied. Normal people get stuck on a hospital by force and I had to keep them there, all because of shitty police work
METAL issues like Ozzy or Metallica? Or issues like Deep Purple or Iron Maiden?
It’s simply terrifying to think he can take him to jail or to a mental institution to be evaluated (likely a 72 hour hold) because he wants to.
Don't think they won't, just to be spiteful .
The moment the officers entered the property without a warrant or exigent circumstances they violated this man’s basic constitutional rights. Simple really.
Yep
He has some other constitutional rights he probably could have exercised too....
@UCnV2H-eHfaXGsur2NlZZM1w i think this youtube commenter is a drug dealer, probable cause?
@@cheeseburgero1 right?? Im SO BEYONG TIRED OF RANDOM PEOPLR CALLING THE COPS. I was finishing a phone call outside starbucks and had cops pull up, TO A STARBUCKS IM A KNOWN REGULAR AT
They should've been shot the moment they crossed that line.
The craziest thing is that you gave them a C- when they clearly deserved an F-
Well, Mr. Jones didn't die or get tazed or beaten, so maybe a D....
In reality, I contend there are two grades forr law enforcement officers: A and F. No in between. You can't partially deny someone their natural rights, you can't partially unlawfully arrest someone; you can't partially gin up false charges to make yourself look better. It's either pass or fail, that simple.
This. A C- is a disgrace. This is the first time I highly disagree with AtA’s assessment.
Nah they DID respond to a concerned citizen's call. F- would be if they do not respond what so ever.
They aren't being graded on whether they arrived or not, but on their conduct after arrival.
Since when is a person rising early and getting work done "disturbing" and suspicious? He has a good work ethic.
I agree but you do have to understand how people could see that as suspicious behavior. I think there were many issues with the officer’s investigation, however the problem would’ve been resolved much quicker had the homeowner just proved his innocence. He made the situation significantly more difficult than it needed to be.
@@LemonPlatypus Why does he need to prove he lives there? If the old woman said he is tresspassing her property why not ask her to provide proof that this is her property?
@@davidustoa6432 I feel like it’s not that deep. It was clearly a mistake by the neighbor, but she had reason to believe that someone was doing something suspicious in/near her yard. Say, for instance, it was a person trespassing, is she supposed to just let that go? I’m all for exercising your rights, but this whole ordeal could’ve been avoided had he just shown proof that he lives there. I understand he doesn’t have to show proof, but that just escalated the situation. It causes him no harm to simply provide his address and prove he lived there.
@@LemonPlatypus Police is the one that should de-escalate, not the suspect, they are supposedly trained for that. As the video said, they could just investigate, knock on the door of a few neighbors and ask if they know him. But that cop did everything to assert his power and escalate the situation.
@@davidustoa6432 I agree with you, I just feel that there was no reason the homeowner needed to act suspect, when he could’ve just cleared his name.
In a world where you can walk up to somebody on their own property and arrest them for not giving you their papers
If there was a trespasser on your property, what would you prefer the cops to do?
He's the property owner. The neighbor had no business calling the cops without checking with him first.
That's Nazism.
@@lamerica80 not be on my property without my permission? What the fuck do we pay property taxes for if these jackasses can just barge in without the owner's permission?
@@lamerica80 What does that have to do with this case? There was no trespasser.
I love how they started off with “cmere!” No identification of themselves as officers.
Didn’t you watch the video? The police have been looking and calling him outside the woods for 30 minutes prior to recording. They probably did identify themselves many times.
I thought the cops did fine… give them your address to prove it’s your property and be done with it
@@amark350 lol
Yeah cuz they think they’re gods gift to the earth and should walk around with absolute authority. These fucking boneheads believe that they should be obeyed under all circumstances even when it defies logic…
@@aaabbbccc1939 I watched the video and it started with a cop yelling “c’mere” p,us cop said “I am not coming where you are”…..sounds like a standoff?😂
The psych evaluation threat was outrageous. The obstruction charge was inappropriate. It was very foolish for him to miss the court hearing.
Land ownership is a matter of court documentation. It is unwise to attend any court hearing if you have proof the local government is corrupt or otherwise is a criminal. If the court allows popo to round ppl up b/c they have been permitted (literally) to be someplace or do something, then why not _BURN_U.S.A._TO_THE_GROUND!!!
That's the Sandra bland act. Where they can put you in a mental institution with out seeing a judge
You assume that they put in any more effort to ensure that he was served notice of the hearing than they put into staying in their own lane. Would it really be so surprising if it turned out that they accidentally on purpose botched that too as an easy way of giving themselves a free pass? All they would have to do is have a believable excuse for how they did their best to make sure he got the memo even if it was total bullshit, like sending it to the address of the neighbor whose property they claimed he was on and then trying to pass it off as an honest mistake or something because they just got the addresses confused when they were filling out their paperwork. Would it really surprise you if they did something like that in retaliation?
Watch new video of Dui Guy.. He s a lawyer. He was asking the officer in court about the field test... Dui Guy asked him, Do you write down only the informations that are negative, from your observation, but you don´t do the same about the positive observations that are helpful to the client, the driver. ...so anything that is helpful to him, you don´t write down.
It seems cops are not trained to write down also the positive observations.
@@youtubealgorithm5977 We still have only the cops' word that somebody reported him being on their property. And we all know that cops never lie. Im, didn't you notice how quick they were to immediately state that as the reason they were out there on *his* property? (Spoiler alert: That never happened because they took their sweet old time making that claim.) They were so desperate for something that they could make sound plausible that by the end they even tried to play the psych hold card. But sure, I suppose that was all part of the job.
In order to be Trespassed, the PROPERTY OWNER has to be the one to SAY he is Trespassing. HE IS THE OWNER.
Until he shows proof he’s nobody…I can walk onto my neighbors property and say i own it. Doesn’t make it true…The guy was a dickhead throwing sovereign citizen bs. Show your license or proof and it’s over.
What if the owner is not home ?
But he continued to NOT prove he was the owner. Frankly, I think he was acting like a dick. This situation could have been dealt with in seconds if he simply gave them his name.
@@tigerbear3038 Then there is no trespassing, unless it is clearly posted.
@@tigerbear3038 Unless they're breaking and entering, in some states, they can't arrest them for trespassing without the owner or their agent asking them to leave, unless there are posted no trespassing signs. Even then, some police departments require an affidavit stating anyone other than the listed people in the affidavit are trespassing.
And there it is, every time a person asserts their rights these cops are so dumbfounded they think the person is mentally ill. This means the public and the police need to be schooled on this better. Your channel is a great resource and it should be viewed by police and citizens. Thank you for your dedication.
The scariest part of this encounter is when the officer alludes to committing mr Jones to a physiatric facility for simply standing up for his civil rights. That is terrifying……I’m really surprised that audit the audit didn’t highlight that.
Yeah this some old south I'm the law an what I say goes ya hear me boy.
Absoutely, they commit him and next thing you know he's knocked up on all kinds of meds and stuck in there.
We got to chose our battles tho. Im sorry but if im walking around my home with items on my jands at darl, and a cop gets called, i would say i do live here doind some work or just returning shit to place. This is my id pr paperwork if new tenant. And say thank you for coming to check a suspicious person at night in a neighborhood with families and elderly.
@Jimmy from Philly lmao exactly 😅 also, I'm from Delco, waddup!?
@Jimmy from Philly . I dony swallow boots and just like people dony want to bother with respectfully exercising their rights, perhaps tneu should not ever call cops for break ins and dangerous sitiations. Because what if the same asshikes show uo asking yoit name again. Proof of residence to make sure who belongs there and not. Exercise the second ammendment as well so you can protect your home and person. Because idiot co, bully cops might not know the laws and we eouldnt want to violate a burglar rights, to bare arms during a break in. Or kidnapping or rape, maybe kids alone after school need cops help many tnings can happen. So maaybe this auditors here should
"You have the 5th amendmant right to not prove yourself innocent" - The cop that refused to say his name and badge number.
But you have no 5th amendment rght to remain anonymous. The individual asked the officer to ID himself to deflect the officers demand he identify himself. The individual responded to the officers demand with his own demand. The officer was within his right to tell him later. In other words you must answer my question first. I don't agree with the officer initially barking the order of ' c'mere you '. But this man was acting suspicious and being uncooperative. He might of murdered somebody and was hiding in the woods. This could have all been avoided if the individual did not act like a dick.
@@JackSquat54 is that boot you're licking of rubber or leather?
In a country that has things like the 1st, 4th and 5th amendment the civilian had every right to act like he did, the burden is on the officers to make a better investigation before importuning citizens.
Dude missed a HUGE opportunity for justice and for these officers to be held accountable when he chose not to attend his court hearing.
He could have gotten paid
What says he can’t still? He was arrested and booked under false charges. So he can still lawyer up and sue the cops, the department, and the district attorney.
He can still go to court over this. Problem he has is that he missed court for this once. The lawyers, judges, and everybody else will use that against him.
HALE v. HENKEL 201 U.S. 43 at 89 (1906) Hale v. Henkel was decided by the united States Supreme Court in 1906. The opinion of the court states: "The "individual" may stand upon "his Constitutional Rights" as a CITIZEN. He is entitled to carry on his "private" business in his own way. "His power to contract is unlimited." He owes no duty to the State or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to incriminate him. He owes no duty to the State, since he receives nothing there from, beyond the protection of his life and property. "His rights" are such as "existed" by the Law of the Land (Common Law) "long antecedent" to the organization of the State", and can only be taken from him by "due process of law", and "in accordance with the Constitution." "He owes nothing" to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights."
@@kurtwetzel154 that's true. It's a shame that he didn't turn up. It can only look badly for him.
How can they arrest someone for trespassing without a complaint from the owner? Neighbor can’t sign a complaint.
Because illegal arrests have to be extremely blatant before they carry personal consequences for the officer committing them - way more blatant than even in this video.
Officers can make illegal arrests because the officer has the right to assault and even execute those who physically resist the illegal arrest. And if the people submit to the arrest and fight through the courts it requires time, money, and luck to succeed, and even a successful court case won't personally affect the officer who committed the illegal arrest.
The landowner needs to "inform" the person that he is trespassing. An Officer is not an agent of the owner.
A fence is considered " informed " where I live. If an officer can act on that without the property owner calling them, I'm not sure, logic would say yes in this situation with the neighbor calling it in.
You're right. They can't trespass him or arrest him for loitering. Well not legally anyway.
@@Pickleriiiiiick That isn't entirely true. A fenced off area is indeed enough to trespass someone off a property when cops show up. But that doesn't take away the owner of the property or their agent need to be in contact with the police. Logic and law say no. They can't trespass someone unless the owner, or an agent, of the property confirms the trespass. Officers can't trespass people from random private properties just because they feel like it.
If the person was doing nothing else to raise suspicion, obviously.
@@simmerke1111 that's a fair breakdown. Issue falls with the suspicion though. Its entirely subjective, wouldn't someone perceived as being aware of the usual activity (the neighbor) raising concerns, fall under suspicious?
@@Pickleriiiiiick Cops are trained observers, right? What was Mr. Jones doing upon their arrival? Breaking into a house?
The caller claimed he was on her property. It would be more appropriate to have her cited for filing a false police report than it was to cite the owner for failing to identify himself.
I would find a good reason or any justification to call the police on her. I would use feelings alone.
i think your mistaken. the cops said that later, but their stories changed a bit. narrator told us the old lady called and said a possible suspicion person was on "the" property. there was nothing false in what she said.
EXACTLY!!
The grade should be D-.
Farmers are in the fields at 5am. He wanted to get his chores done before going for his kids.
She doesn't know where her property line is?
Thank God they weren't trigger happy. But they disrespected him and accused. What kind of response did they think they would get? And the Department backed their actions.
@@ruthellaowens well, no. Not exactly. Unless we have the exact report.. from what audit the audit explained, she never said "her property". Even if she did, it would be within reason for her to believe it could be her property. She could have been mistaken, not filing a false report
@@markekar6021 in the 911 call, she said he wasn't on her property.
Second time I've seen a cop tell someone to stop watching UA-cam videos about their rights. 😑 They want people to be ignorant.
Can only imagine the poor innocent people dealing with ignorant cops before videos
I think, maybe, the officers should watch these videos and get it straight. Disgusting.
Yep. Just like themselves!
They need to watch UA-cam themselves. It may help them from doing stupid Shit
@@RichNotWealthy Rights need to be exercised to continue to exist.
By this officer's logic, I could call 911 to accuse him of being a pedophile and he'd have to "prove" he isn't or he should be arrested as a pedophile.
The cop ultimately resorted to personal attacks against the citizen, telling him to "lay off the UA-cam stuff" and suggesting mental health problems. Personal attacks are often used when cops don't have a strong argument. Again we see police overreaching, an all too common problem.
@R R more over Audit the Audit suggesting that these officers go door to door in Rural Arkansas before 6 in the morning.. WHAT? I live in California and the people in the rural areas are by and large ARMED. I am in a very gun restrictive state, Arkansas is not such a state. Risking being shot just to find out if this guy is lying... not going to happen.
@@dafien530 it was almost 7 am. The sun was rising. The cop apparently didn’t know what time it was
@Qyx When Bootlick Central still isn't licking enough for boot for it's own audience. "Man was too suspicious, should have bowed more, all his fault. Plus 'muh rights'. See I wrote it funny, like a meme I saw on DonutOperator, that replaces any need for an argument. 'Muh rights', so good job officers. This is R/LeopardsAteMyFace material.
@@ScribbleNuts "but failed with fumbling words and long pauses" because we all know that Constitutionally protected rights only apply to articulate people.
@R R 1. He has no responsibility to cooperate with officers. 2. He has legal and constitutional rights not to communicate with officers. 3. Suspicious activity is not grounds for arrest. _Simple as that. Cops broke the law._
I don't know how many times I've broke onto someone's property late at night with an extension cord and lights so I could do yard work. Brilliant detective work Colombo
Just bring in somebody else’s property is not, in itself, a crime. If it was, we would all be in prison.
@@MrJamberee to say the least
And recording it all on video to prove my guilt
The neighbor never claimed it was “her” property as the officer said, but possibly a utility. Therefore, no valid claim of trespass could be made and a warrant would be necessary for entry by the officers.
Right lol
The second officer is the reason the entire culture to reevaluate how they interact with the public. The second officer has very obvious anger management issues.
When I was a few decades younger, there was no such buzz term as “anger management issues”. Call it what it is. Being a straight up asshole.
the BIG PIG
I think it's clear that it's the civilian who has some issues. He could have easily cleared his name but watched one video too many and decided to be uncooperative with the officers. A simple name and address reveal would send the officers on their merry way. I still don't understand how the civilian received a B- instead of a C by ATA.
@@Clouded_Reactions the first cop was fine tho, he was asked his info and gave it, the other one ignored that and refused to believe him AND when he finally gave his address he wanted him to prove it after saying he just wanted to hear the address to prove it.
@@Clouded_Reactions that’s just a lie though because he later provides his address and they still don’t leave. The second officer is also extremely hostile out the get go and doesn’t provide his name or badge number when asked, making him immediately distrustful. This cop was immediately mistrustful and aggressive because he claimed he was trespassing which cannot be claimed as he was not given permission by the property owner.
Most people don't know rhat it's illegal for police to be the plaintiff in a trespass complaint and it's also illegal for police to solicit a trespass complaint from a property owner. Knowing this saved me from a crooked cop in Missouri
How can you charge someone for trespassing without talking to the property owner/ manager?
In some states, police legally can't arrest someone for trespassing unless they speak to an owner or agent of the owner or tenant first.
The woman claimed to be the owner. happens alot in the country
@@daviddiebold7357 its always a woman.
@@daviddiebold7357 The angry cop said the woman claimed to be the owner. That's not what was stated at the start of the story. Angry cop seems to have lied to escalate the encounter and justify his violence.
@@daviddiebold7357 The woman never claimed to be the owner, that was a lie told by the cop. If you watch the whole video, she said she didn't know whose property it was and thought that the person on it might be someone with a utility company.
As a mental health professional I LOATHE that police threaten mental health holds that are unnecessary! They keep complaining they don't want to be mental health professionals and don't get enough support in mental health, but then pull this crap!
Makes people not like workers in your field
It's awful on those occasions when as soon as someone who is unhinged to any degree simply doesn't understand something or someone, immediately they jump to "you need a mental health specialist/therapist, you're unhinged"; it's BS. I've had family pull this one on me and I just make it clear that they'd be wasting their money and both our time. I guarantee any therapist who sees me would be shocked that anyone thought I needed therapy; I've done tons of deconditioning work and I know my psychology really well. I'm the last person in this family who needs a therapist lol, I'm catlike in that I keep to myself while living my life to the fullest while they bicker and argue over petty stuff all the time.
And they wonder why I keep to myself. My best friend met my mom once, and he couldn't help but think she seems like she's incredibly chaotic mentally, that was his main impression of her. I wish there were some way to make her realize this and give her some perspective without provoking instant defense mechanisms, but that's just how it is I guess. I won't stoop to her level and authoritatively pull the mental health card on her.
I don't know, mental health is weirdly weaponized sometimes, it's bizarre. "YOU NEED THERAPY" is the biggest cop-out put-down of the 2020s so far I think. I wish there were a magical "perspective button" which makes someone step back and see the obvious bigger picture to whatever it is they're fixated on. Heck, I could use one for myself every now and then too, haha!
@@notanymore2293 nah. Psychiatric facilities make people hate psychiatrists and mental hospital nurses. Because that's where like most of the abuse happens. But police are part of that cycle. They are part of the reason people who are perfectly fine get sent to these abusive facilities.
This is standard operating procedure anymore, to gain prosecutorial authority over individuals. It is being used nationwide.
@@notanymore2293 Nah just makes us hate cops who abuse the system like this
I wanted to let this channel know that I’m in fire/EMS, and I have a buddy the other day tel me he watches this channel once I mention I did. Thing is? He’s a cop. He studies what citizens rights are, and even informs them of things he knows when asked on the job. He uses this as a tool to be a good police officer.
Good stuff. This channel may slowly help change things after all.
Not Audit the Audit here because he failed to mention critical things. The cops have no basis to charge him on his private property, making any charges they try to put on him even after finding out it was his property illegal. They did not ask to be on his property, and he should have put trespassing on those Officers for illegally being on his property and failing to conduct a proper investigation. I suggest watching other people like Direct D, San Joaquin Valley, or LackLuster who are far better channels, or Delete Lawz who actually teaches law.
Sadly though you can be a good person but not a good cop nowadays because the way everything's gone so corrupt with a lot of the cops being good cops because they keep their quota by doing stupid s*** and arresting people that don't deserve it they let the actual criminals get away now your friend who you say is a good cop hats off to him I'm proud of him is there a very few of them in the world now so I'm happy that he informs people that he talks to about their rights and everything
Maybe not if he thinks these cops deserved a passing grade like Audit the Audit gave them
@@chadingram6390 He doesn’t. Anything less than an “A” from a public servant is unacceptable. It IS a failing grade.
@@mitchellturnbull3988 Good to hear, maybe a B is ok every once in a while, people do make mistakes. I really like good cops but i really hate the system as a whole and all those bad apples we've seen in so many of these videos. I hope your friend makes it and can influence his co-workers
Poor chap,he basically gets arrested on his own property for not OBEYING and Standing up for his rights.
Yeah, that's what it boils down to, doesn't it.
Well it could have been avoided if he just told the cops it was his property and didn’t act so shady.
@@Jbolo123 You can't "act shady" on your own property? Tell me, Comrade, exactly what is the State's guidance on how we should and shouldn't act on our own property? 🤔
@@Jbolo123 but principles keep good men from bowing.
@@Jbolo123 Agreed.
It is always a huge red flag when an officer finds exercising your rights to be suspicious or alarming.
That's like always?
F hands down. Literally charged him with a fake ticket for obstruction. That is not police work, come on
How can someone who does not own the property say that someone is trespassing on property that is not there property?
So let me get this straight...The Police are investigating the man because a woman said she was concerned.Yet when he said he was at his own residence suddenly the burden of proof is with him and not her. Pretty fucked up.
Guilty until proven innocent.
There's a lot of interesting things in a situation like this one. Firstly, there's a potential difference between a yard/property enclosure and a house. If he was inside of his house there's very little to say that the police had any right to initiate any contact what so ever outside of executing a warrant, or just asking a question. Out in the open on ones own property is treated as different though the differences vary from state to state. Some say if you are investigating a potential crime the police have the right to make contact and question you on the property, but not the house, while others include the property with the house and the police can be trespassed if they are not wanted by the owner.
Here it's a strange situation where the owner is not known, and the owner is unwilling to cooperate even as part of his own defense. He isn't under any obligation to, but it does escalate in some circumstances what the cops are able to do. The whole reason why they are there is the "reasonable suspicion" that he is not there lawfully which in many cases does grant them the right to make contact for investigative purposes. It gets wierd around the point of does he have the right to not identify himself. The answer is yes and no. Up till hes under arrest he doesnt have to identify himself, butbrhe police operating under reasonable suspicion to have the right to detain him under the belief that he has no legal right to be there.
But what's really odd here is his unwillingness to help himself. Let's take a different approach and say Mr. Jones was inside sleeping, and the police came into his property to investigate a trespasser the old lady reported, and that legit trespasser had confronted the police exactly as Mr. Jones did. Should Mr. Jones or anyone else then be grateful for the trespasser standing up for their perceived rights and leave them be to do whatever? Or would they rather the police not take the suspects word at face value that they are the property owner and arrest them?
The police don't know the difference and can't be expected to. Though Mr. Jones may have the right to not identify himself on his own property, the police themselves do/may have the right to investigate a criminal complaint until they are satisfied with the outcome.
He did not say he was at his RESIDENCE and it's not clear if there is a house on that property. If there was, it would have been much easier for the police to discern and sort out the facts. The guy owns some of the responsibility for what transpired.
@@billmccoy3666 totally agree with you 💯 I would have just proved who I was he seemed to want to escalate the situation imo.
but if the man was wise he would have stated his address and wouldnt have lost precious time
Videos like this should be a mandatory part of police training. But I have a feeling departments would rather have officers that simply follow orders than officers that are educated on the law.
Yep, if they actually educate their officers they won't have the ability to say they didn't know.
Actually they are here in Colorado Springs. In fact they use ATA in the academy classroom. You can bet this one will be in their "Don't be that guy," file.
What's the lesson? If a potential trespasser says he lives somewhere believe him and go back to the police station?
Exactly because following the law means NO revenue $$$ for the city.
@@jacklewis100 Yes because you haven't amassed enough evidence to ascertain guilt or innocence. In that case the suspect has, as we all do, the 4th and 5th stating you don't have to assist their investigation into yourself AND if insufficient evidence exists of a crime you can do NOTHING.
Not dispelling Officer alarm IS NOT a violation. In fact it's litterally the 5th. Secondly, a neighbor isn't someone who can make a claim that carries trespassing if they can't give an ID, as in this case. Lastly, If someone claimed "I'm the resident and I don't know what's going on," cops could do this. But they don't have that, they have a "Someone is over there." So when the cops said "If you don't convince me you live here that's trespass. It's not because he has no call to compel identity. You and your "But how will they solve crimes without violating rights," crowd need to consider the other option, they need to get good at what they do and adapt to the modern world, like the criminals they face have.
Absolutely incredible. Cops invade his personal property, then try to make him prove that it's his. The cops level of arrogance and stupidity is legendary.
But what if a Criminal was on your property planning on killing you and they said I live here then cops go ok I’ll go away now have a nice day?
@@justinsquibb9030 Consult your congressman and ask him/her to change the constitution of the USA.
@@justinsquibb9030that’s why the cops are supposed to attempt to contact the owner of the property
So the alleged killer would be exposed pretty quickly.
How so? What else are the cops supposed to do? They need to investigate because trespassing, believe it or not, is a crime, and yes, how “arrogant” and “stupid” they are for asking simple questions.
Why is it such a problem for these people to answer them? Does it bruise their ego? Does it make them feel powerful or superior over an established authority? Great, I hope they feel powerful and superior being driven to the police station in cuffs so they can answer the question there and sort it out when they could’ve done it in their own yard and not had to take a step off their property.
Absolute stupidity on the part of the homeowner, and for what reason? _”Just because I can“._ No discretion whatsoever, they’re morons.
@@rekunta Innocent until proven guilty. Police didn't investigate anything. They went in biased and acted from there. Therefor: Arrogant and Stupid.
Can you even imagine the number of times this cop has violated people's rights before he got caught on video doing it?
I had the same thing happen to me. My bf was helping me start a garden by scalping the grass which is tedious and difficult work. I worked 12 hr shifts and he had a day job so 930 at night was the only time we could start the project. One of my neighbors called the local police saying "it looks like they are burying a body." I saw 2 officers slowly and stealthily approaching so I wasnt surprised by them. I was surprised to see their guns drawn and pointed at my face. I was upset and told them to put their weapons away which the more senior of the two eventually did, he was able to get the other to also. I explained we were starting a garden. I told them I had just moved in. They wouldn't leave until they saw my ID. Then they left and I heard lots of laughter between them and my neighbors. I later found out they were buddies. Small towns can be both a ridiculously comic and dangerous place to live.
Yup in a small town it really matters who ur friends and neighbors r which is BS.
Your boyfriend must've been so thrilled to start working on a garden at 9:30 at night after working all day.....
Sue.
Something similar happened to me. I was taking measurements for a fence and finding survey markers and my neighbor tried to shoot me. The police came out went to talk to him, laughed about it and then left. This was shortly after Id moved into my house. Makes me never want to live in a small town again.
@@petergriffin383
I’m sure the original commenter was thrilled to start working on a garden at 9:30pm after working a 12 hour shift 🙄
Him not showing up to court is a slap in the face to everyone rooting for him, he was arrested in bad faith and he is letting the law continue their corrupt path towards him
not showing to court is being stupid, but he doesn't owe you anything. Don't be an entitled prick.
Agreed.
@@gsp1175 Black ppl huh?
The guy might not have been properly told about his court date.
@Invictus Good luck with that. The state has unlimited resources to fuck you up for the rest of your life. Does this guy have unlimited resources to fight back? I bet not.
Incorrect. The officers get an F for threatening to detain him via mental health circumstances. That is unacceptable and an abuse of power. Would definitely take him to court for that.
Audit the audit is always on some bullshit
The guy has obvious metal health issues.
He even told the cops he got up at 5am to do some work.
Anyone that gets up that early is nuts.
I don't wake up till Noon.
@@thenorthstars2210 you obviously never worked a real job
Cops a fkin coward. They should be jailed for trespassing.
@@alphakennybuddy264 Really? All jobs are 9-5 to you? I mostly work night shifts; are those not real jobs?
In Arkansas, 90% of the time, when being confronted by a policeman who’s asking “do you know why I stopped you?”, the correct response is “because you didn’t graduate from the 4th grade?”.
lol
Best to hand them a coloring book and crayons….keeps them calm and away from their weapons
Sometimes a good response is, " I'll have a Double Jack in the Box Combo, Large with Coke, Thank You"....
As soon as a cop tries to claim mental health problems to justify himself. That's when I completely lose all respect for them. They know what they are doing is unlawful and will make any claim to justify their actions
Right because crooks are the only ones that can claim that, cops dont have feelings
Lost it completely for me when he tried to tell him he had to prove his innocence rather than the officer proving his guilt.
Proving guilt happens in court. The DA not the cops have to prove guilt. Cops just have to believe you are probably guilty (probable cause) to arrest you and bring it to the DA.
Well Mr Jones didn't show up for his court appointment, so that's certainly not rational behavior.
@@Oakleyworld don't matter what their feelings are. They are law officers. They are NOT the feelings officers.
Tyrants threatening law-abiding citizens need to be charged,
Well how do the "tyrants" know he wasn't trespassing. He could of let them know it was his place and proved it then that would be it. But no he had to be stubborn and not say anything. What were they supposed to do? Leave him there? It's not how it works lmao. The neighbors called. They're doing what they were called to do.
I'm sorry. This was a complete failure on the side of the police. They arrested a dude on his own property and threatened to send him to a mental health professional for asserting his rights. That's disgusting.
Even if he was just a random dude working on the property, trespassing is decided by the property owner, not a neighbor. How could he be accused of a crime without trying to find the property owner first?
Agreed. The cops deserve an F in this case. Knocking on the door should have been step one, or looking up the owner to see who it was. Telling them his name is pointless without the reference of who actually owned the property. The cops also didn't understand WHEN they are allowed to bring mental illness into it, on top of escalating needlessly. That means they use that as a tool, incorrectly, making illegal arrests elsewhere and endangering the freedom of the people they are tasked with protecting. They didn't deserve anything in the C family, that was an F performance.
what if your neighbor saw someone suspicious on your property at night? Would you actually be pissed if they called it in? This guy could have just acted like a normal person and the cops would have left right away but he had to be a dumbass and not give any proof it was his property, he literally just had to say his address and not act like an idiot
@@Industry-insider he literally DID say his address
But all the way through he was being evasive and as usual that seems to be ingored.
it doesnt require the owner to trespass someone. it only needs to be posted private property.
It's regrettable that someone can just complain about someone else when no crime is being committed and it becomes this.
guy was asking for it, there was a very easy way out of the situation but the guy decided to be an idiot and got charged for it
@@ΣταυροςΡηγας-χ1κ I don't give a damn what the cop was asking for. The property owner had no legal obligation to identify himself. So the hell with those pigs.
@@ΣταυροςΡηγας-χ1κ Just give up your rights...make it easy for the cops to violate them...
@@jajw1990 how is it giving up your rights? you have the right to stay silent, but you're gonna get detained. You want the cops to mind their own business? Well, just tell them your address, that this is YOUR property and its done. you not telling them, is just making them go in circles, while they detain you to figure it out. They are gonna get the answer either way, whats the point?
It's called "swatting" and it's gotten people killed by the cops.
The cops should get an F. They are part of the reason all cops are painted with the same brush and the lack of trust much of the public has for them. I agree that Mr. Jones made a big mistake by not appearing to the court date and by not suing.
I can think of a thousand examples way worse than this lol
@@TheJerbol You are right, but this is the one in front of us.
@Qyx they're on HIS property. THEY were trespassing. You're an idiot if you think this was Mr jones' fault. He was minding his own business on HIS OWN PROPERTY.
@Qyx Agreed, should have complied more. Offered the officers some money and tea as a reward for entering his property without permission. Should have immediately produced papers, apologized, given life story, and been done with it. Plus, 'muh rights'.
He likely didn't get the court notice
Those cops should get an F. Arresting a guy on his own property for being on his own property. Major F.
Every time I believe the officers deserve a F grade, this channel gives an average grade. Maybe not both officers but certainly the more aggressive officer deserves a F. Neither did any investigative work, but he seem to escalate the matter as he was getting frustrated by Mr. Jones, continually saying that he was not going to answer certain questions under his fifth amendment right. Then after the arrest he makes snide unnecessary comments pertaining to Mr. Jones mental health and him being anti-government or anti-police. That officer's conduct was abhorrent.
I used to think the grades were off too. However, if being graded based on other LEO's the grades make sense. Most average officers would behave pretty much like this officer did. So he was about an average LEO. They would only get an F if being graded on if they followed the law. To the average citizen if they were asked what grade they would give a police officer that violated the law, they would give them an F. They would not take into account grading them on a curve based on other police officers behaviors.
@@timhartsock9942 Good point, well said. I have thought the same thing
And the owner did say it was his property early on and then later tubs asked again as if he didn’t get the answer already and used that lack of response (in addition to the name) against him. It’s silly
@@timhartsock9942 that logic is silly. Bad is bad. Being thrown into the sun is a clear F. That doesn’t make being lit on fire a C-. It’s still an F.
maybe because they didn't killed him
This folks is what is called a thug with a badge. He is so butt hurt that his unlawful orders aren't being that he will create reasons why to arrest the guy on his own property.
In this case, both were idiots, for their own special reasons... Jones for not simply saying, "Why don't we take a walk down to MY house, and you can ask my kids if I live here," and the cop for not doing his job before going for the cuffs.
@@looneyburgmusiche doesn’t have too
@@Buzzlightyear575 Just because you have certain rights does not mean you should use those rights to talk, (or not talk in this case), yourself right into being arrested.
The simple fact is, no one has ever won a civil rights case against police on the side of the road, (or in a backyard). Those fights belong in court.
So the smart move would have been to show the cops that, yes, it was his property, he did live there, and then after the cops had left start looking for an attorney to perhaps sue the department/town for the rights violation.
This guy knew he had screwed himself at the end, when he more or less offered to surrender, (by handing over his ID in exchange for not going to jail), but at that point it was too late - that cop was on auto-pilot the way cops get when they decide to arrest someone regardless the facts.
Like a lot of cops do, he made the mistake of letting his ego get in the way of being smart.
@@looneyburgmusic one, the cops didn't give a shit when he gave them his address. At this point, the cops don't care. They blatantly lied to the guy when they told him that the old lady said its her property and he was trespassing on it. Why is he an idiot for standing up for his rights? Why is he an idiot when the cops lied straight to his face? You do realize that the o e cop was going to arrest him no matter what. From the start of the guy not giving his ID, the one cop was telling g him he will be taken down and fingerprinted. The cop even said that after the guy gave his address. This is what is called a thug with a badge. Blatantly violating someone's rights because he thinks that he can.
@@looneyburgmusic if youre cool with your rights getting trampled on thats on you kid
The police assumed that the person that reported Mr Jones was indeed the person who lived in the house that they went to. How do they know that she didn't have a vendetta against Mr Jones for something, that's why a full investigation needs to be done by law enforcement. Before interaction with the person.. they are investigating.
assumed the very thing that person said multiple times to everyone she talked to wasn't the case. "I don't own the property" "i don't know whos property it is". all of the sudden turns into "She said you were on HER property".
This cop was pissed and you could tell in his tone when asking if he was anti-government. That shouldn’t matter. That had nothing to do with you just doing your job. Then when he feels forced to give you ID and says he will if you will let him go, the cop tries to find a reason to keep him detained. What a joke
The "Founding Fathers" were anti-government. This country was not created by people who followed orders and worshipped uniforms.
I'd honestly be pissed to with Jones's odd answers and responses along with odd activity. You have to look at this incident without knowing Jones truly lived there which this video gave us the benefit of hindsight by stating it in the beginning.
What the police should have done was bring Jones to the door of the property and confirm if he's a trespasser or not as Jones answered no questions at all.
@@jason200912 The police do not decide who a "trespasser" is. The property-owner does. They did not have a legitimate complaint to investigate (And did nothing of any proper "investigation" anyway).
As far as being "pissed", so what? A citizen is not obligated to be polite to people questioning him on his own property, and Police should be able to put aside any personal feelings - That's actually a basic part of _what they are paid to do..._
@@jason200912 Don't ever become a member of law enforcement please. If you already are well... feel sorry for the people that come across you.
Jones was being unnecessarily suspicious with his answers. The cops didn’t handle it correctly, but what was Jones trying to accomplish by withholding his name and address?
Why not just call a neighbor? The fact that they assumed he lied right away just proves why these 5.0 are so inept
Forreal, even the neighbor that called would probably recognize him
Principle. Honestly, its the downfall of us all.
I would have done the same thing.
And they didn't know whose property it was to begin with and they were still accusatory right out of the gate.
It's because when they asked him multiple times at the beginning of the confrontation he stayed silent and refused to answer the question, that is a red flag so when he later stated he did live there but then further refused to identify himself so police could clear up the situation this again is a red flag, his demeaner in this situation was far more like a person trespassing than a person who owns the property.
This video is a non-issue, the title is clickbait and disappointing from a creator who usually makes such fair and unbiased content.
@@OffensiveFarmer To me his response is one of a person who doesn't trust and more importantly is fearful of the Police.
5 o'clock is suspiciously early but what activities was he being reported and seeing as doing when the Police first arrived? Crawling in which window?
Literally zero investigation conducted. I would’ve given them a F for that alone.
The officer clearly lied and said that the lady told them he was on HER property.
Officer: "Well, imma go knock on that door and ask the homeowner."
Owner: "OK, go do that."
Officer:
Owner: "Hello again, sir."
LOL
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Officer: "Well, imma go knock on that door and ask the homeowner."
Owner: "OK, go do that."
Officer:
Owner: "Hello again, MY EMPLOYEE."
fixed
@@richardstorm4603 the police are not your employees. You do not pay their wages.
@@theguy9208 the city state or whatever does and guess where their money comes from.
You can’t charge someone with trespass without being asked to do so by the owner. They have to ask the owner if this person has permission to be on his property and if says no then they still can’t charge him unless he is told he’s trespassing and refuses to leave or he returns
In what state?
@@anime_cyko I'm pretty sure that's every state.
He wasn’t charged with trespassing
@@alexblanco9687 then what else could he be charged with? I dont have to identify myself on my own property, so no law was broken, if the officer wants to know who I am they can look me up in the property tax records office
You might save to watch the video, you know this one that includes the law and shows that what you just said is not true pmsl
Seeing videos like these makes me WAY less likely to "see something, say something" as we were told post 9/11. I'd have to be SURE to call the cops now, whereas before, I might have called them (non emergency number) if someone I didn't recognize was acting weird (imo). I would NEVER mean to initiate something like this. My only interest would be in keeping my neighbors and their property safe. Now I have to worry some crazy cop is going to assault them or an innocent person with a legitimate reason to be doing what they're doing. De escalation techniques are great, but SO often, they just need to know how to not escalate themselves or, for that matter, practically start the conversation with the cuffs out. This stuff is ridiculous and imo goes way overboard.
"NAWWWTTT "🤣🤣🤣
Never fails to amaze me how angry asserting one's rights makes the police. The fact he threatened a man that carried on a cohesive conversation with him with a mental hold makes me hope this gentleman bankrupts that department.
He's not bankrupting anyone, he did what he did for a reason they just didn't catch, and he fled on top of that...so he is going to jail no matter how badly the cops reacted in this single incident.
@@fortusvictus8297 i wished he would have just shot the cops. then at least he would be an outlaw on some moral grounds.
A mental health call is a cover for the crimes committed by the cops and prosecutors and judges corrupt to the core. Leaving people with a slandered name and other rights stopped. These are treason committing felons doing this that leads all the way to the white house, from the ground up.That means congress. More people are murdered by vigilante cop and voodoo which doctor to cover up government crime than are gun crime.
So what if you were at work and someone who didn’t belong on your property was there. Should the cop just take his word for it that it’s his house? Wouldn’t you want the cop to identify the person so you don’t get ripped off.
@@Miadolph no one said the cop had to take his word. There was nothing stopping him from looking up the owner of the house. What's wrong with the officer following the law, instead of using threats as a shortcut?
can we talk about how fucking terrifying it is that police can involuntarily commit you?
They can’t - it’s a bs threat.
No hospital would have kept him.
I’ve dealt with mentally ill people. It’s actually really hard to get someone committed.
@@josephmayfield945 not in Florida.
I was Baker acted many times
my niece lives in FL and if the police don't care for how you're acting - even on your own property/inside your home - they can take you away for, don't quote me but I'm fairly certain, minimum 3 days and l believe it's called the Baker Act? Sounds horrifying. l understand if your loving family calls for help because they're concerned for a close relative's (or good friend) physical well-being, well, there's no mental illness police, it's all 911 or local. lt's absolutely terrifying as there's a lot of discretion for a cop who doesn't know you nor has the proper training to make that assessment.
@@josephmayfield945 They may not keep you long term, but it's similar to being arrested, booked, jailed only to have the charges dropped. What jurists describe as a "brief inconvenience". 🙄
We're a hair's breadth, one "terrorist attack", some edict or "national emergency" from being subjected to search and detainment for no reason whatsoever, all the time as a matter of course. And most will simply accept it.
@@valentinius62 an involuntary commitment is not like jail.
Here's how the 3 day hold goes.
You arrive handcuffed, cop walks you in, nurse takes all personal belongings, cutting off anything that can't be removed like bracelets.
You're then taken to a windowless room and instructed to strip.
Every inch of your body is examined to report cuts, scars , so if you hurt yourself there they can prove you did or didn't arrive with an injury.
After that you're given a shirt and pants made of paper and escorted to the back where you'll spend 3 days coloring, watching TV and trying to help the other people being locked up there.
You'll see a doctor who decides how long you stay.
Once, the doctor told me I could be released, then asked how I'd get home.
I said I'd walk, that's not allowed, I said I'll find bus fare.
She said I would have to stay until I could find the way home.
I began crying and she laughed and said it was a good thing she hadn't released me.
I spent three hours crying and begging staff for spare change so I could be released.
The next morning I was released, with a free bus pass and never saw the doctor again.
I hated that bitch.
In Jail you can post bond, there's no bond in mental hold
And the hospital's get money for the people they keep so cops take a lot of homeless in.
Leaving out how absolutely disgusting this whole situation is, when that cop gets a bit caught off guard at first when the guy says he lives there, the fact that he said “well why are you out here at this time of the morning scaring an old lady”
The implication being if you’re on your own property somehow “scaring” your neighbor necessitates that you prove you live there and explain why you are outside being super scary because it’s early in the morning, is pretty damn disturbing.
Yeah I'd have been like "sounds like some old lady is scaring herself, and wasting police time on false reports to boot. Listen officer, if you genuinely feel there's a big bad scary crime going on here, you go and try and convince a judge to issue the warrant for you to save America and the day, otherwise this interactions over. Have a good day."
I wish people would mind their own damn business. If I need you to keep an eye on my property to the point of calling the cops if you see something weird. I will fucking tell you that. Otherwise assume I have it handled.
I think the guy should have just cooperated w/police AND should have let his neighbors know that he might be working early/late in the day. Imagine how many people have been SAVED by police 4 investigating these kinds of calls.
@@allisonlew4508 The guy is NOT required to notify the old bat that he is working on HIS property. He does NOT have to prove anything, the cops (These "Reno 911" rejects) have to prove it. They are just butt-hurt the guy didn't drop to his knees for them...
Had similar situation where I was prepping for laying concrete at around 4:30am because the temp that day was a projected 120.
Not sure why the hell they felt the need to call. You can’t get in my house or in my yard unless I buzz you in because of the gates and 11’ wall. And locals know I have cameras everywhere.
People these days need to mind their own business.
Guilty to proven innocent 😕
Most dangerous thing in American is someone calling the cops on a suspicious person
Jesus said buy two swords.
Just for this type of crime. Romans 13.
Do you mean a suspicious person in their own minds?
@@myrajefferson3672 yupp
C- is very generous for cops threatening a citizen of internment in psy ward for defending his 5th amendment rights when they don't do their investigation properly in the 1st place... i would give them a D-, and i am really sorry the defendant didn't go to court and didn't sue this 2 entitled lazy shields...
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A C- is a fail. When I was in public school a pass was 65% or a C+. I have since taken several courses over my work career that require an A or 85% to pass. I believe that being a police officer would fall into that category. To arrest a man for nothing is an automatic F and should result in the officer's termination and pulling his certificate if he has one.
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@@alanmacification the officers did absolutely nothing correct. The get an F, they escalated the situation they caused by not doing their job properly.
Millennial here, that is a failing grade when I was in school. You zoomers I swear you guys have it easy as hell.
@@Physhi I know you haven't been to school in like 30 years so let me give you a refresher. C- will let you skirt through if it only happens a few times. You'd get a C- where it's obvious you made an attempt qnd understand some of the material but you didn't pass enough for a good grade. The Officers here actually did nothing correct, they didn't do their jobs, they violated rights and they wasted tax payer money because they were lazy. Gen Z are holding shitty people accountable and you're saying that shitty people deserve lesser sentencing because it's still technically a failing grade?
You gotta learn how the world works mate
The gaslighting by these cops never ceases to amaze me.
We need to make lying illegal for cops.
I'm just waiting to see some big tables people dies without any reason from police and then only then it will be highlighted for like 2 weeks🤣😂
It’s not just cops, it seems to be the Caucasian community. It’s the norm!
@@sharonguyton9119 nice Racist statement
@@sharonguyton9119 yeah its also annoying when African Americans resist arrest then all white people get called racist cuz of it
If I’m a police chief I would pay premium for officers that went to college with a degree in criminal justice, pre-law, and social work/psychology. American cops are so poorly trained- don’t know the law, and are terrible at dealing with the public.
Plus they should be trained in how to talk to people as well
I JUST SAID THIS YESTERDAY AND MANY OTHER TIMES
Not to mention how stupid idiots don't know how to deal with the cops. Simply answer their questions and it would be over with in 5 minutes!
This is why we need to spend MORE on training programs.
Not into voodoo which doctors but? How about a living understanding of the Constitution?
The officers deserves a big "F" on this one. Threatening to 6404 (apologies, that's what we call an involuntary psychiatric hospitalization in TN, I thought it was a general term elsewhere) someone because they are invoking their civil rights while you are trespassing on their property over hearsay is super fucked up. As usual, cops usually don't care about the laws or the Constitution, just their feeling of authority.
You’re pretty cool for using 6404!
I don't understand the C grade they got either. They kidnapped a man off of his own property doing nothing unlawful and that is considered average grade?
@@MrBeevee5 We have such low expectations for the police we grade on a curve.
I agree! Starting to think C- is to generate comments.
@@hellaacapella lol
If my neighbor called the cops on me and a cop asked me if it's my property.....I'd answer the question so we can both go on with our day
He answered yes. Have you watched the video?
@@Plethoring I'd answer the cops questions and then thank him for looking out for my property.... but then again I don't live some buttfuck American city
Needless to say, neither the man's neighbor lady nor the policemen will receive a Christmas card this year..
Lol 🤣 so funny you are right nothing for Christmas 🎄
Neighbor getting at bag of shi
They should be getting a lawsuit
You knew this guy was dealing with a tyrant about to commit a crime the moment he refused to give his name and badge number.
I'm on board with the C- right up until the "arrest him so we don't look like we botched something" moment. At that point, they knew he was who he claimed he was, had a perfect opportunity to say something like "sorry for the inconvenience, but we were just trying to be sure, and now that we are, we'll take you back" showing goodwill, but instead, they showed a lack of goodwill and arrested him to protect any scrutiny of themselves.
Cops are almost never the good party.
Tyrannical officials never apologize or claim responsibility. It would their position as God appointed masters of our mind, body and soul.
Pig like behavior
@@chriskelso723 They arrested him for obstructing the investigation for refusing to identify himself while detained. He was not charged with trespassing. If he identifies himself, the police would have let him go. For all the police knew, he was a trespasser who was lying to them.
@@mlbhighlights1177 so do you think the cops were right??? It seemed to me that, in the beginning, he may have identified himself however, the cops started being sarcastic and condescending about him living there. The was no reason, at that point, for the cop to act like that.
You get an F for giving a C- to cops who think mere suspicion is RAS and PC.
Officers like this do not want people like us to be doing what we are doing. Civil rights are key to keeping our government in its place and held accountable during incidents like these.
That's why people should be willing to fight government minions.
@@Damitsall swing on them
...as a necessity for the preservation of a Free State.
-2A
The constitution is a document of rights _and_ responsibilities. Neglecting your responsibilities as a citizen is how we became overrun by tyrannical governance; hold your servants accountable or let the inmates run the asylum, pray the world does not need to intervene for you...
Not in THIS police state.
@@innocentbystander3317 how do you hold them accountable when the whole system is rotten to the core?
I once saw an old lady wandering in my neighborhood, and I was concerned about a possible Silver Alert situation. I seen another video of a old woman who had dementia get tackled by a cop for not being able to follow his commands.
This exemplifies why I was, and still am, so hesitant to call 911. Too often it either does nothing or makes the situation far worse.
I agree. I would only call 911 if someone is at serious risk of serious injury.
Was it the woman who “stole” from Walmart?
I'm happy to say no.
@@alexier2733 - Yep except nothing was stolen, the woman did pay for the phone with a debit card and walked out without an receipt thus made them think that she stole the phone. I believe the law suit against Walmart is still pending.
you know you can be a good person too right? if you are concerned for the old lady... just talk to her.
And these “cops” won’t be held accountable for their actions. If your average citizen did this they’d be convicted of kidnapping at the very least. We need to end qualified immunity so that these “cops” will be held accountable for their actions.
Uhhhhh, wrong…..
@@Exiledconsciousnes you don’t want cops held accountable for breaking the law?
This would not be protected by qualified immunity. If he had gone to the court hearing he would have had the opportunity to file suit against the officers and the department for several violations.
@@Druid_Plow for monetary damages paid out but the tax payer. Guaranteed he’d still have a job. I know mistakes happen but me making a mistake at my job doesn’t end up with someone being kidnapped and put in a cage against their will.
@@ApeLikeThinker police officers pay taxes too. I'm of the mind that departments/officers should carry their own insurance for that type of shit. And when they're found to have a history of making poor choices, they get fired, just like if you made several mistakes at your job.
The only reason they will not face consequence, is because this guy didn't follow through with his "pro-civil rights" beliefs, and now IS guilty of a misdemeanor. It's very easy for the court to prove he didn't show up.
Think about a Robber or killer outside someone house after committing crimes saying its my property and i will not show my id.
Those police officers did whatever was for safety of that neighborhood. He could just show his id and resolve matter in 2 minutes but he was the one who starched
Anybody defending this dude are so dumb. The police did what they had to.
contact the owners and ask if they are allowed to be there. think about your parent, child or friend outside your home and them being arrested because their ID has a different address, without even a knock at the door or a phone call to verify they werent supposed to be there.
its not rocket science to know the ID doesn't list all of the properties you are allowed to be at.
The narator is usually correct on his knowledge of the law. Except this time he forgot to mention a few things. A) a trespasser must first be warned to leave by the property owner or a LEGAL agent thereof. If he returns, only then can he be charged with criminal trespass.
B) There must be a complaintant . The police cannot be the complainant unless they are commissioned by the property owner or the property is otherwise posted. The neighbor cannot be the complainant unless she has been granted custodial care or managerial responsibility of the property in question and there has to be irrefutable proof that she holds that title. Word of mouth is not enough. Therefore the police have no Authority to arrest the suspect. He stated clearly that he owned the property several times. It is not his job to prove it. It's the officers responsibility to provide burden of proof that a crime is being committed. And the owner doesn't have to answer any questions or provide evidence against himself.
Thank you for adding a few very important points.
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You don’t live in Arkansas do you?
They "kidnapped" Mr. Jones, so the police should get a "F" for not identifying, and making sure he didn't own this property.
Yep, and both coppers should be fired from their jobs and never be able
to work in law enforcement again. Go get a job stackin shelves at a supermarket
but we know these dogs wont, they'll get a pat on the back and told, atta boy!!
Hope the land owner sues. I wish him well.
No doubt. How can this audit auditor give them a passing grade when they the police themselves were trespassing.
I agree, not sure how this wasn't a big fail?
@@j_rainsgoat3929 hes a major bootlicker despite making these videos
No the guy was acting crazy they needed to find out who he was and he didn’t give anything
I wonder how he gets on with his neighbour now. He’s probably crossed them off his Christmas card list.
"C'mere". That is every single thing you need to know about this cop.
yeah pretty much I was done when I heard that. can't even imagine how I would react if I heard that out of a cop's mouth...something undoubtedly illegal and obstructive like "EXCUSE ME??!?"
@@shell4747 If a cop said that to me while on my own property, no question I'd be filing a complaint with his supervisor.
I would be doing alot more than peacefully sitting there letting tyrants tell me on my property.
right, when i see a cop i try to get far enough away from him that i will never hear that.
I'm a cop on the West Coast, and all I can say is that the deputy who arrested this guy makes Roscoe P. Coltrain and the rest of the Hazzard County Sheriff's deputies from the Dukes of Hazzard TV show look thoroughly professional.
Yeah I'm sure.
If you were really a cop, you would know firsthand this is the norm not the exception.
The trouble these types cause for good cops is very concerning. This is why some people are so wary of law enforcement when we should be cooperating alongside with authorities instead of being at odds with them. It's upsetting.
I’m a cop and I would have just gone and tased the piss outa the Karen neighbor for wasting my time.
So I guess they should have just taken his word and walked away ? Then maybe if it was a trespasser and he raped , robbed or killed the neighbor we would have a big law suit and a funeral , but the civil rights of the perp would be preserved ?
If he’s not trespassing on her property why is she sticking her oar in? And a PROPERTY OWNER has not complained that this person is on their property. Why do the police believe they are the bosses of everybody. That statute is ludicrous as it gives anybody the leeway to get somebody out of the way if they want to get up to nefarious business. These two cops just proves that the standard police are trained to in investigation techniques is very poor or are just too dense to retain those techniques or too lazy to actually follow them using the we’re in charge and what we say goes!
Absolutely BS.... No law broken then no jurisdiction... It also isn't the accused responsibility to dispel suspicions
If you see something and it concerns you, you should report it - that's how we can fight terrorism and crime !
@@jacklewis100 - Bullshit.
You always have that one neighbor that has to bury their nose in other peoples' business. They will call the cops over the slightest thing and make it sound like someone's about to blow up their house.
That said. He didn't help anything by speaking erratically and evasively. If you're not going to answer questions, just invoke the 5th. Otherwise, the more clear and concise you are, the better. "I'm just hangin' out" when you know it's private property, even if it's your own property, probably isn't the best way to start off the conversation when a couple cops show up asking what you're doing.
Of course, being clear and concise probably wouldn't have gotten a better reaction with these two in particular, given the one jackass already made up his mind that this guy was trespassing.
@@rcslyman8929 what if your neighbor saw someone suspicious on your property at night? Would you actually be pissed if they called it in? This guy could have just acted like a normal person and the cops would have left right away
I ran afoul of some cops in my early twenties that did something along these lines but more egregious, and falsified their report to justify the arrest. I wish I knew about this sort of thing sooner I would have followed up with complaints and a lawsuit. Thanks for the valuable education
It's really sad that the bar is so low for police that lying, bullying, failing to properly investigate, and issuing a citation out of pure spite only earns you a C-.
Audi tdd the Audit must be from CA where they are considering taking away D's and F's from the grading system.
Well what grade will we give the guy that shoots an innocent man if a C- is "too high" of a grade for this guy?
So you want actual trespassing to be legal?
@@Industry-insider No, I want cops to have probable cause before they detain someone. I want them to investigate before they bother to harass someone minding their own business on their own property. It should have taken two seconds to call in and find out who owned the property. But the guy didn't lick their boots enough for their liking so he gets arrested even though they didn't have one iota of evidence a crime was even being comitted.
@@Ropenkkao Fair enough. I'm a teacher so I see a C- as passing, and in no way did these cops pass in my opinion.
Once he talked about having me checked out for mental health, I would have flat out told him that I know he's retaliating because he's not getting his way and let's roll, because I'd definitely be filling a case.
Exactly - at 1st opportunity, accuse officers of intimidation-harassment-retaliation making otherwise legal acts illegal. Declare you don't want to answer questions, and request a lawyer be present during questioning. Then challenge the continued detention as illegal - how are officers actively investigating if you aren't going to answer questions?
I can imagine the cops made sure Mr. Jones never received the notice of his court date just to destroy his life.
It's pretty presumptuous to accuse someone of trespassing without finding out directly from the property owner whether or not they're supposed to be there. These random demands to run a person's name through a police database seem to be the catalyst for a ridiculous number of "bruised ego" type arrests.
Then citing a statute to detain the man because “he must be mentally ill” for not complying with the officers demands. It’s crazy.
@@ninboy01 Exactly. Complying with unlawful demands ought to be the standard for mental illness, not the other way around.
And what if the property owner just flat out refuses to identify himself when directly asked? If someone is running around in the middle of the night outside my house with a flashlight, I sure as hell hope the cops make sure that it's me and not some lunatic. And I would gladly show id and tell them my name if it was, so they can carry on doing their job.
@@urbancampfire7253 If someone's outside your house and claims that they're allowed to be there, then the cops can knock on the door and ask whoever answers "Do you know this guy?" Seems like the bare minimum as far as investigation goes. Otherwise you might get your plumber arrested on an emergency house call.
@@whatalovelyday8037 I would much rather have the cops get an ID on the person right away, than knocking on the door in the middle of the night, potentially waking up children etc. I wouldn't wan't the police to let the guy out of their sights until they are sure the person poses no threat. And if I was doing something that might look suspicious and get the attention of the police, I will gladly ID myself and explain what I'm doing if it helps them do their job and I have had zero issues with police.
Innocent until proven guilty. Simple as that.
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Innocent until proven guilty in the courtroom the Cops can suspect you all day long.
And in this case suspect him of being a trespasser, or tweeker robbing people, or a serial killer etc etc etc.
This dumba** turned a simple this is me into not showing up for court and most likely now has a warrant out for his arrest for telling The Judge to F-Off.
@@rack391 no. It’s innocent until PROVEN guilty PERIOD. The cops do not decide which setting is appropriate to determine guilt or innocence. They needed a minimum standard of reasonable suspicion at least and probable cause at best. They had NEITHER. He’s not obligated to and should NEVER answer questions if he chooses not too. The cops could have gone further to determine if his presence was trespassing. As usual, lazy cops. They care more about their egos than enforcing actual law that they apparently know little about. Then the tried to hide their misdeeds in the aftermath. Please hop on your nearest aircraft and go to N. Korea. Your dear leader is waiting for you.
@@blackkitty1774 Gone further how?
I love how the cops could have left at any time, but still blamed the innocent civilian for keeping them there. 😅
The gaslighting is real with these ones
While simultaneously detaining him and holding him against his will from doing his work.
@R R Nobody is saying they should just turned around and leave but there's other investigative options he could have used like mentioned at the end of the video rather than make questionable baseless arrest
@R R
Lol my dude he gave them his name and his address. They could have looked it up immediately and he didn't need to go to jail
@R R The thief wouldn’t make it in without getting shot
where is the nosy neighbour when another neighbour is torturing/murdering old folk, burying them in the yard, and claiming their social security?
Anytime a person is arrested wrongfully then automatically they should get an F. There’s literally no excuse for this and each charge needs to be dropped.
Ya this channel is weird like that
Agreed. This channel has been giving out very generous grades
He is lawfully arrested, but then given a bogus charge to fight in court. That is why they should be given an "F." What annoys me about our system is that even if 85% of a police report includes purposeful lies, omissions, and hyperbole, judges still accept the report as legal.
@@piper998877
"He is lawfully arrested"
Being arrested for not proving that you are on your property when a nosey bitch of a neighbor calls the little piggies about you doing yard work?
That is not "Lawfully arrested" THAT is you not assisting with an investigation(5th Amendment) And not providing your "Nazi Germany" Papers to prove you belong there (4th Amendment)
Nothing about these officers actions was "Lawful"
If you give this an F, what do you give police who behave even worse? Because there are many instances of cops behaving far worse than this.
Cop pretty much says he’s arresting him because he’s exercising his rights. Unbelievable.
But if he called the police for somebody being on his property he would want them arrested. He should be happy they there trying to protect his property
@@De59161 He wasn't protecting his property they unlawfully detained and arrested him and threatened to take him to have a pysch eval. Guy had every right to shoot the police officer who wouldn't identify himself for trespassing.
Even worse. The cop says that he thinks the property owner is supposed to prove his innocence. Like the cop is supposed to assume everyone is guilty until the cop can play the judge and rule that they are innocent when the accused give up their civil rights. He literally says it this way. This shows you the cop's mindset. Everyone is guilty until proven innocent. A clear F.
THERES NO SITUATION THAT EXIST THAT THE COWARDS THAT ARE THE TERRIFYINGLY IGNORANT COPS/ POLICE/LEO’s WILL NOT ESCALATE AND MAKE MUCH MUCH WORSE ! COPS HAVE ABSOLUTELY FAILED THIS COUNTRY AND ITS CITIZENRY IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE !!!! PLEASE FOR YOUR SAFETY RECORD THEM ALWAYS AND RECORD FOR YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS !
I mean I was sorta on the fence with this one, obviously leaning way more towards the guy....but then as soon as the cop said he thinks he has mental health problems and needed him to be committed to a doctor this cop absolutely failed big-time
Showed how the cop stopped caring about the trespassing and was punishing the guy for not bending over
I was also a little on the fence until later on. I do think a cop aught to do due diligence if called out. You can't simply believe someone when they say the own the land and then provide no evidence or proof to the fact. Even if they DO own the land it would be a simple thing to just...prove it. Have the cops look it up, they should know who the owner is going out to it.
But later on when they started threatening the doctor and saying he was having a mental health crisis...yeah never mind. They were being petty tyrants.
@@RJBond121 you shouldn’t have to prove anything to them lol.. that’s the problem yeah just comply but that’s against the constitution what they’re doing
@@marselse they have reason to believe he is trespassing.
Put it another way. Someone breaks into your house, and the neighbor calls the cops because they know you are gone. The cops show up and the person who broke in goes, "oh I live here." Should the cops then go, "Oh okay bye" and let your house get robbed?
Or say you own property and a homeless person moves into it and the cops are called by a neighbor. Can the homeless person just say, "oh I live here this is my property." And then have the cops leave? Some proof of claim needs to be shown.
That's called a probe. You say that while watching to see the reaction, someone with a history of mental health issues will react far differently than one without. Actually, even someone severely intoxicated or tripping may freak out.
Honestly, this is probably just Mr Jones tweaking on meth and not handling the cops showing up well at all...or he was poaching. Either way, he did NOT conduct himself as a reasonable person on their own property minding their own business... which led the police to make bad calls trying to sort the mess IMO.