I remember a time when we could build our own state-of-the-art aircraft, and it didn't take decades to procure. Sad they couldn't at least have built it here.
Canada does have aircraft manufacturing, the SaR issue is they are older designs. Viking Air in Victoria BC bought the rights for all DeHavilland aircraft when DeHavilland shut down that part of their operations. Currently they only produce the Twin Otter turboprop, which is slower and has less range but has 2 advantages over the chosen aircraft: 1) floats are an option for any Twin Otter searching near bodies of water and 2) They are a short take off or landing aircraft. This means the Twin Otter can land near the victims and take off again, can be stationed in smaller airfields and be searching sooner in larger numbers for less money.
Canada's procurement problem is that there are far too many channel of input. The process need to be trimmed back to those who use, those who give the thumbs up, those who pay, those who supply, no more than that.
Canada didn’t stop the skill lose in aviation industry particularly the research and design of high end civilian or military stuff. In my opinion even if you can’t build or design the best in the world you should still keep having problem to build so of your own stuff. That way at least you have the ability to retain some form of that industry and this skilled worker. Instead we keep losing them to us and France and uk.
I’m no sar tec, but I do have my para wings and I grew up in comox, on many occasions I have Been in the Buffalo, and I think that gives me the right to comment. I don’t think this aircraft is as good as the Buffalo. You need the headroom on both sides of the fuselage to conduct search and rescue, side door exits and most importantly first aid. The Buffalo had a square body that allowed this. Viking aviation out of Victoria bc offered to re engine and re design the Buffalo and I think that would have been a better option, Canadian jobs and local tech as well as no service gap. Just my two cents.
It would have been nice to see another de Havilland Canada aircraft as the replacement, but it's not clear that Viking / Longview (now De Havilland Aircraft of Canada again) would have delivered the required million hours of engineering development any faster than the Italians... if ever.
@@brianb-p6586 I think you should read my comment again. Viking aviation, already is re engineering dehavilland aircraft. It would have been way faster to give the Buffalo a rebuild. The Buffalo already had all the capabilities needed. Viking would have tuned it up and returned it to zero hours in the same way bassler does dc3’s. Viking is incredible.
@@hugh9park I understand that Viking is quite capable of building and updating the old de Havilland designs, but they haven't updated the DHC-5 Buffalo for any application, let alone meeting the current SAR spec. They've been talking about doing it for a long time, but haven't actually done anything - you couldn't buy one from them today no matter how much money you waved around. Getting the DHC-6 Twin Otter back in production and updating the avionics on the CL-415 were good work, but that sort of program is way short of meeting requirements for a federal government SAR aircraft procurement program; it would have been great to see them do it, but it's not at all clear that they could have successfully done so. A "zero-timed" antique is not the same as a new modern aircraft.
@@brianb-p6586 I am sure they could have done this in less time then it took the federal government to procure the kingfisher. And it would have been a fraction of the cost. But I will say casa has a good reputation and a god relationship with the western world. I myself have jumped from casa’s I’m the past. I would just much prefer domestic. That’s my two cents. I will however argue that a “zero hour antique” is a very limited term. The twin otter is unparalleled, so is the turbo beaver. And there is a reason turbo dc3’s are still being built. They are twice as old as unparalleled. The kingfisher still lacks in rough landing capabilities that the Buffalo has due to its landing gear. And that’s very important when you are rescuing natives that were huffing gas out of klemtu or Bella Bella.
@@hugh9park Okay, but Viking would have had to work with federal government procurement, so it would not have been fast and may never have successfully completed. We both would have prefered to see them do it, rather an a foreign supplier. A zero-time antique is still an antique - it wouldn't meet the requirements of a new design, even it it would be better in some specific aspects.
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Nice looking aircraft, I am not sure how it will withstand the limited clearance between the pod underneath the fuselage and the runway. How will this stand up to the landings and take offs in undeveloped airstrips in the North. Such as gravel, dirt and grass runways. I can see the pod on the underbelly being all beat up from rocks and debris. We had similar problems with the Buffalo and the clearance was much more.
@@FrontlinePros It's pretty cool tech. I can't share more than you mentioned unfortunately because 90% of the tech has "NATO Secret" clearance. But it's definitely a sweet package.
Good video, and for all that have served THANK YOU for your service. I only can say this...anyone who puts their life at risk to save another is a true professional and deserves the best equipment our nation can provide. Unique.
Looks well thought out. The center of gravity issue and parachuting in flight are problematic. I would assume medics will have to jump out to reach the injured where as with a chopper they are lowered. Will be interesting to see how well it does moving forward. Cheers 🇨🇦
We invented the telephone, the Canadarm, the variable pitch propeller, the pacemaker, the G-suit (okay, fine, the Avro Arrow), and the the walkie talkie, but we'll buy the next search and rescue plane?
Beautiful plane and it will definitely serve us well… if we ever get them. But I must say it’s got big shoes to fill, the buffalo was a true Canadian workhorse. 55 years of service is testament to its resilience. If only Canada could get it together to build these birds domestically.
I'm glad Canada is out there to make the UK's absolutely AWFUL Defence procurement purchases look a little more streamlined! Truly amazing how both nations spend more buying less.
@@HMSDaring1 Pay twice as much, get half what you asked for. I did 21 years airforce and 10 years working for a military subcontractor on the Cormorant project. A black hole of money eating doom.
I was going to comment on that too. And so agree, lack of props, and the distinctive bulbous nose. HAHA. Not to mention the huge size difference between the two.
We should have just hired viking to make new buffalos with the added tech. Made in Canada and maintained previous capabilities. The new aircraft can't land in the short airstrips the buff used to be able to. Canadian procurement is so terribly broken.
and now, they are planning on using them as Freighters.. we are using C130J in Trenton, and C130H Models on to coasts for SAR until a replacement can be found
Hey, it actually comes with mechanics that can fix them too! About time, and the new training digs in Comox looks good. WhoHoo Retire the old Buffalo just like the Caribou The guys in 407 squadron were a good bunch/ ready to tackle any problem with limited aircraft. I was assigned to the base ( weapons ) but attached to 409 Sqd. Voodoo's Had a couple of hair-raising rides with the Buffalo. S/R operation YIKES that was scary low down over the bush!
Canada includes life time expected costs into all such purchases most others do not . for example the price being bandied about for the f-35 is about 215 million per not the 90 plus cost of the aircraft alone
I LOVE the Buffalo!!!! I hope they keep them around in museums, maybe restore one to flight worthy... They are one of a kind, and AWESOME at airshows!!!! It's sad that canada cant build a suitable replacement. We used to have an aerospace industry, good times...
@@dpforth I don't think they said they're not flying, but that that will get retired with no time left on the airframes. That's why I said I hope they're restored. Perhaps cwh , it's such an awesome iconic plane. But if you say it's posts availability, who am I to argue. Either way I hope they're preserved
We could have, the company that holds rights to DeHavilland Canada aircraft offered to build new DHC-5s with modernized cockpits and engines but the offer was refused by our clown show of a government.
Hilariously serious ! Seriously hilarious ? ‘Merican here, always loved that red & yellow livery. Looks like you’re gonna love all that new technology / capability. Hope you don’t have to wait too long.
Canada is buying 16 of these for $2.4B, off-the-shelf, meanwhile India is buying 62 of these for $2.5B while also manufacturing all but 16 of them locally.
my cousin joe is in charge of Canadian procurement for the military he has my dream job and seems more concerned about spare parts rather than how good a piece of kit is.
Why don't they keep the side windows in and just shut the shades? As a crew, I'd appreciate to look out every now and then during downtime (like the military transport version), more eyes to look out, and maybe even repurpose the frame when needed?
It's a shame that we were once world leaders in aircraft design, and now simply writing "cheques". I am curious did they canvas all SAR Specialists during initial procurement.
After flying on the Buff for many years, I thought I knew my way around the SAR planes pretty good. I see that I was wrong. I always thought the Herc was prop driven but I see at about the 8 min7te mark that they have jet engines like the C17.
That's Going To Be One Hell Of A Beautiful And Useful Plane. Please Work Hard On Getting Them Home As Soon As Possible And Get Them Into Service To Rescue And Help People In This Country And Also Abroad Like We as Canadian Do All The Time. Our Air Force Boys Need And Require The Best To Be Able To Perform There Job Properly And Safely.
The 295 is a joke of an aircraft that will be used as a case study for what is broken in our procurement system. It is likely that it will never be usable as a SAR platform due to many deficiencies. This platform is not designed to operate in the north and is slow it has no APU so it can't operate from remote bases. The RCAF should have got more J model hercs and called it a day.
@@jameson1239 the C27 is a pretty nice looking aircraft and it is being used in the roll we are planning for it, however I think the benifits of a single fleet outweigh the costs of a bigger aircraft. They do have a lot of similar components I'm not sure you could draw from the same fleet of techs to work on each aircraft or if there would be cross training required. Bigger fleets tend to lower the overall fixed costs of operating per flight hour.
Well, just ask who's relatives pockets are getting lined as per liberal standard operating procedures. Some things never change. Cons are no better; that's true too. Why do politicians f every purchase up.
@@jameson1239 The C130J is over kill BUT it is more capable and can be cross used for other applications if need be, plus the RCAF already operates the type, it and it would be cheaper in the long run without having to have another supply chain for another aircraft type. This is the typical short sightedness when the Liberals do procurement..
Hate to be a downer but the decision to acquire this aircraft by the RCAF was a huge mistake. Built with the pilot in mind and not the Search And Rescue Technician (as always). It's extremely small and crammed in the back and most SARTechs can't even stand in it.... Another great decision by the CAF.
We still use knots, feet, pounds in aviation. I think it'd be more appropriate (less confusion) if you can stick with that at least for aircraft related videos.
@@mikepotter5718 - The nautical mile, unlike the statute mile, is based on the mathematical division of latitude. It makes navigation far more simple than any metric or imperial system. The knot represents the number of nautical miles traveled in an hour.
@@harrymattah418 - And still the best units for today. The U.S. Navy quit teaching celestial navigation at one time and a ship was lost when the power went out and all the modern equipment quit working. They reinstated it into their curriculum.
By the time the first one takes flight, the design will be already 20 y.o. And they expect the frame to last at least 26 years. This is as bad as the new Canadian Surface Combatant for the RCN; almost 17 years in development with at least 7 to 10 more for finalizing the design and build the first one. Gotta love Canada’s procurement system.
Surface Combatant is meant for frontline combat, so I agree. But a friggin transport plane? What new pathbreaking stuff is coming up in this vertical in the next 20 years? Even India is manufacturing this plane starting from 2025 onwards only.
How does this aircraft compare to the Buffalos STOL capabilities? What was wrong with the Buffalo design that it needed to be replaced. Why could Buffalo and caribou aircraft not continue to be produced. And upgraded.
I found you video because I was looking for the Kingfishers of the Knights of Solamnia from the Dragonlance setting of D&D. I was a passenger on a Spartan in 2011 during my military service for the U.S. Army. I have no idea if it was an American aircraft or not🤔
It was a political purchase, no one asked what SARtechs actually needed. "Capt Jacobson also agrees that the SAR Techs are going to be inconvenienced. The height/diameter of the fuselage of the CASA is way too short!! Have you ever been in the back of the Buffalo when 3 SARTECHs are trying to maneuver around one another once they have all their jump kit on? Each guy is carrying 265 lbs of extra kit and they have to be able to step around one another when they’re preparing to jump. There’s barely enough room in the Buffalo and its ceiling is a good 8 to 9’. The CASA only has about 6’, therefore any SARTECH trying to work back there will be forced to be permanently bent at the waist… this will undoubtedly lead to long-term back ailments for anyone who’s 5’10” and taller. Most of the SARTECHs are near the 6’ mark, so I really feel for them. To me, this small fuselage should’ve ruled out this aircraft as a contender, period."
i have been folowing this saga, for a long , long and long time in your documentary, one of the most complete i ever saw bravo, theres are a lot of recherche in it, thnaks to mentionante our procurment system witch it is political affected but thanks to publish the 3 zones, for SAR, first impression, that was at the begening of the programe, the c295, to big, to expensive for Wst coast aera, not enought leg for the central zone, (up to the north) and just enough for eastern zone but you have said, it ss manoeuvrable at slow speed, for west cost, will it be ok for maintain aera ?
The scariest thing about this is that the new defense minister came from pwgsc to her new portfolio so I certainly hope that she brings more urgency to her post than her predecessor
Funny the SAR techs (cheezies) cannot get to the search locations by themselves, they require a crew of pilots, nav's, FE's, loadies, ground crew, admin pers, vehicle techs, cooks and a whole lot of other members before the cheezies even jump out of the plane/helicopter. So the specialist require a lot of other professionals before the SAR weenies even get on board.
Hahaha. 11 year service contract - started counting down in 2016 - and we have only taken possession of 4 aircraft. 2024 we get all the machines - when 8/11 years service contract has expired. Got it - so, we’re on our own - for many years to come - before these machines can provide any assistance.
Fixed-wing SAR aircraft obviously don't pick up people from places that they can't land. Their functions are to find people and to deliver SAR techs and equipment or supplies.
all believe it when it here and when its start doing that SAR MISSION other wise I m dont think it will be on time and former coast guard auxiliary Victoria BC and awesome video and still taking to long to get it here
I remember a time when we could build our own state-of-the-art aircraft, and it didn't take decades to procure. Sad they couldn't at least have built it here.
No kidding! A succesion of stupid fed gov's have driven a stake through the heart of Canadian innovation/manufacture!
Canada does have aircraft manufacturing, the SaR issue is they are older designs. Viking Air in Victoria BC bought the rights for all DeHavilland aircraft when DeHavilland shut down that part of their operations. Currently they only produce the Twin Otter turboprop, which is slower and has less range but has 2 advantages over the chosen aircraft: 1) floats are an option for any Twin Otter searching near bodies of water and 2) They are a short take off or landing aircraft. This means the Twin Otter can land near the victims and take off again, can be stationed in smaller airfields and be searching sooner in larger numbers for less money.
Canada's procurement problem is that there are far too many channel of input. The process need to be trimmed back to those who use, those who give the thumbs up, those who pay, those who supply, no more than that.
@@JohnHill-qo3hb Exactly. We also need a new template for a Task Force tailored to Canada's domestic needs, and supported with unmanned ships.
Canada didn’t stop the skill lose in aviation industry particularly the research and design of high end civilian or military stuff. In my opinion even if you can’t build or design the best in the world you should still keep having problem to build so of your own stuff. That way at least you have the ability to retain some form of that industry and this skilled worker. Instead we keep losing them to us and France and uk.
As a search and rescue technician, I can not believe this
I’m no sar tec, but I do have my para wings and I grew up in comox, on many occasions I have Been in the Buffalo, and I think that gives me the right to comment. I don’t think this aircraft is as good as the Buffalo. You need the headroom on both sides of the fuselage to conduct search and rescue, side door exits and most importantly first aid. The Buffalo had a square body that allowed this.
Viking aviation out of Victoria bc offered to re engine and re design the Buffalo and I think that would have been a better option, Canadian jobs and local tech as well as no service gap. Just my two cents.
It would have been nice to see another de Havilland Canada aircraft as the replacement, but it's not clear that Viking / Longview (now De Havilland Aircraft of Canada again) would have delivered the required million hours of engineering development any faster than the Italians... if ever.
@@brianb-p6586 I think you should read my comment again. Viking aviation, already is re engineering dehavilland aircraft. It would have been way faster to give the Buffalo a rebuild. The Buffalo already had all the capabilities needed. Viking would have tuned it up and returned it to zero hours in the same way bassler does dc3’s. Viking is incredible.
@@hugh9park I understand that Viking is quite capable of building and updating the old de Havilland designs, but they haven't updated the DHC-5 Buffalo for any application, let alone meeting the current SAR spec. They've been talking about doing it for a long time, but haven't actually done anything - you couldn't buy one from them today no matter how much money you waved around. Getting the DHC-6 Twin Otter back in production and updating the avionics on the CL-415 were good work, but that sort of program is way short of meeting requirements for a federal government SAR aircraft procurement program; it would have been great to see them do it, but it's not at all clear that they could have successfully done so. A "zero-timed" antique is not the same as a new modern aircraft.
@@brianb-p6586 I am sure they could have done this in less time then it took the federal government to procure the kingfisher. And it would have been a fraction of the cost. But I will say casa has a good reputation and a god relationship with the western world. I myself have jumped from casa’s I’m the past.
I would just much prefer domestic. That’s my two cents.
I will however argue that a “zero hour antique” is a very limited term. The twin otter is unparalleled, so is the turbo beaver. And there is a reason turbo dc3’s are still being built. They are twice as old as unparalleled. The kingfisher still lacks in rough landing capabilities that the Buffalo has due to its landing gear. And that’s very important when you are rescuing natives that were huffing gas out of klemtu or Bella Bella.
@@hugh9park Okay, but Viking would have had to work with federal government procurement, so it would not have been fast and may never have successfully completed. We both would have prefered to see them do it, rather an a foreign supplier.
A zero-time antique is still an antique - it wouldn't meet the requirements of a new design, even it it would be better in some specific aspects.
That picture book gag is excellent 🤣
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Nice looking aircraft, I am not sure how it will withstand the limited clearance between the pod underneath the fuselage and the runway. How will this stand up to the landings and take offs in undeveloped airstrips in the North. Such as gravel, dirt and grass runways. I can see the pod on the underbelly being all beat up from rocks and debris. We had similar problems with the Buffalo and the clearance was much more.
Amazing! As a fellow Canadian I really like your work. Keep it up good sir !!
I worked on the sensor package (specifically the EO/IR turret) which ironically is the only part of the aircraft built in Canada.
Well you got the one piece then. Thats awesome.
@@FrontlinePros It's pretty cool tech. I can't share more than you mentioned unfortunately because 90% of the tech has "NATO Secret" clearance. But it's definitely a sweet package.
That Hercules looked suspiciously like a C17.
I came looking for this comment. You should get a prize.
Good video, and for all that have served THANK YOU for your service. I only can say this...anyone who puts their life at risk to save another is a true professional and deserves the best equipment our nation can provide. Unique.
Looks well thought out. The center of gravity issue and parachuting in flight are problematic. I would assume medics will have to jump out to reach the injured where as with a chopper they are lowered.
Will be interesting to see how well it does moving forward. Cheers 🇨🇦
We invented the telephone, the Canadarm, the variable pitch propeller, the pacemaker, the G-suit (okay, fine, the Avro Arrow), and the the walkie talkie, but we'll buy the next search and rescue plane?
We invented the walkie talkie? Nice
Beautiful plane and it will definitely serve us well… if we ever get them. But I must say it’s got big shoes to fill, the buffalo was a true Canadian workhorse. 55 years of service is testament to its resilience. If only Canada could get it together to build these birds domestically.
I'm a new fan of your channel watching from Michigan.
I'm glad Canada is out there to make the UK's absolutely AWFUL Defence procurement purchases look a little more streamlined! Truly amazing how both nations spend more buying less.
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We are shit at buying aircraft.
@@spurgear4 Yup, must change the Government !!!!!!!!
@@spurgear4 Hey so are we!!!
@@HMSDaring1 Pay twice as much, get half what you asked for.
I did 21 years airforce and 10 years working for a military subcontractor on the Cormorant project. A black hole of money eating doom.
@7:03, that's a C-17 not a herc... you can tell by the lack of props. ;-)
The Herc mention didn't make the script but the clip did.
I was going to comment on that too. And so agree, lack of props, and the distinctive bulbous nose. HAHA. Not to mention the huge size difference between the two.
I'm pretty sure that the Flight Engineer position was replaced by an Airborne Electronic Sensor Operator. It's a different trade.
Ya man. Training rn and hoping to be placed on it
It’s about time we got something new
Awe i love this channel! And Yes i think having a better funded and equipped aircraft in Search and Rescue, should be a given!
Thank you. Awesome of you to say!
We should have just hired viking to make new buffalos with the added tech. Made in Canada and maintained previous capabilities. The new aircraft can't land in the short airstrips the buff used to be able to. Canadian procurement is so terribly broken.
@@PershingOfficial they are being handed out to scarecrows
Hurts my Canadian heart to see us outsourcing our own aircraft
and now, they are planning on using them as Freighters.. we are using C130J in Trenton, and C130H Models on to coasts for SAR until a replacement can be found
Hey, it actually comes with mechanics that can fix them too! About time, and the new training digs in Comox looks good.
WhoHoo
Retire the old Buffalo just like the Caribou
The guys in 407 squadron were a good bunch/ ready to tackle any problem with limited aircraft.
I was assigned to the base ( weapons ) but attached to 409 Sqd. Voodoo's
Had a couple of hair-raising rides with the Buffalo. S/R operation YIKES that was scary low down over the bush!
They are still working out the issues. Looking at the past experience that will take another 10 years.
Now they're down one Cormorant after the post maintenance crash. in Gander.
good video... my only complaint, when you said Hercules aircraft at 7:00, it was a Globemaster, so a bit confusing.
I figure we will have these aircraft in service after they have finished getting the Voodoo's re-engined
Thank You for explaining so well
The costs here are mind blowing, india is buying 56 of them (40 to be made in India) for ~$2bn USD, Canada seems to be paying a huge amount
Probably due to us having a track record of cancelling orders we have already paid for
Canada includes life time expected costs into all such purchases most others do not . for example the price being bandied about for the f-35 is about 215 million per not the 90 plus cost of the aircraft alone
The Canadian air force really wanted the superior C-27j.
I LOVE the Buffalo!!!! I hope they keep them around in museums, maybe restore one to flight worthy... They are one of a kind, and AWESOME at airshows!!!! It's sad that canada cant build a suitable replacement. We used to have an aerospace industry, good times...
Restore to flight worthy? They're still in use out here.
@@dpforth the video was discussing their retirement due to airframe hours running out
@@gnashings I retired out of 442 Sqn a while ago but AFAIK parts availability is the main issue. One was flying 2 or 3 weeks ago.
@@dpforth I don't think they said they're not flying, but that that will get retired with no time left on the airframes. That's why I said I hope they're restored. Perhaps cwh , it's such an awesome iconic plane. But if you say it's posts availability, who am I to argue. Either way I hope they're preserved
We could have, the company that holds rights to DeHavilland Canada aircraft offered to build new DHC-5s with modernized cockpits and engines but the offer was refused by our clown show of a government.
I love my country. We fear equipment modernization as much as we fear our own capacity to get lost in our vast wilderness.
Hilariously serious !
Seriously hilarious ?
‘Merican here, always loved that red & yellow livery. Looks like you’re gonna love all that new technology / capability. Hope you don’t have to wait too long.
We need a reality show that follows Canadian Search and Rescue. They are very active and Canada's geography is a pretty unforgiving place
Can’t wait to see this boi at the Abbotsford Airshow on the future
Nice aircraft but couldn't we build our own ?
With China's BFF as Prime Minister. Trudeau hates Canada.
2.4 billion for 16 aircraft? Did I hear that right?
Canada is buying 16 of these for $2.4B, off-the-shelf, meanwhile India is buying 62 of these for $2.5B while also manufacturing all but 16 of them locally.
14 YEARS????!!!!! I have to hand it to the Canadian Government, they really do make UK defence procurement look like an efficient well oiled machine!
begining to evaluate long before needed is not a weak point
It will Never be as good as the C-130 Herc !!!!
The government should've at least heard out viking air, when they said they had ideas as an upgraded cc 115 with the pw150 engine
There is at least 1 maybe more kingfishers at Winnipegs airbase, I’ve seen at least 1 on radar taxiing around Richard airport.
my cousin joe is in charge of Canadian procurement for the military he has my dream job and seems more concerned about spare parts rather than how good a piece of kit is.
Fantastic video, FP!
Why don't they keep the side windows in and just shut the shades? As a crew, I'd appreciate to look out every now and then during downtime (like the military transport version), more eyes to look out, and maybe even repurpose the frame when needed?
It's a shame that we were once world leaders in aircraft design, and now simply writing "cheques". I am curious did they canvas all SAR Specialists during initial procurement.
7:02 you state "Hercules aircraft" and show a C-17 Globemaster
You are correct. I meant to show all 3 airframes and it didn't make the cut.
I just thought that was an intentional meme
Lol, I worked on the Buffalo in Trenton Ontario, great airplane used at its maximum capability and hard to believe it is still flying
Sadly now they are saying that this aircraft may not be operational until 2023 or 2024 due to the ramp and a potential center of gravity issue.
Try more like 2030-2031… 😭perks of having procurement Canada choosing for the military…
How does everyone else around the world use their C-295s? What exactly is so special about these particular versions??
Hay envidieja, eh?, y como escuece, ufffffff, joder...
At the 7:00 minute make you identify a jet powered aircraft as a Herc?
Herc clip made it in but the mention from the script did not :(
After flying on the Buff for many years, I thought I knew my way around the SAR planes pretty good. I see that I was wrong. I always thought the Herc was prop driven but I see at about the 8 min7te mark that they have jet engines like the C17.
Super interesting video as always, nice work !
And congrats on 3k !
Thank you! Appreciate it.
@@FrontlinePros np :)
That's Going To Be One Hell Of A Beautiful And Useful Plane. Please Work Hard On Getting Them Home As Soon As Possible And Get Them Into Service To Rescue And Help People In This Country And Also Abroad Like We as Canadian Do All The Time. Our Air Force Boys Need And Require The Best To Be Able To Perform There Job Properly And Safely.
2.4 billion, good work
The 295 is a joke of an aircraft that will be used as a case study for what is broken in our procurement system. It is likely that it will never be usable as a SAR platform due to many deficiencies. This platform is not designed to operate in the north and is slow it has no APU so it can't operate from remote bases. The RCAF should have got more J model hercs and called it a day.
C-130J is overkill the C-27 would have worked
@@jameson1239 the C27 is a pretty nice looking aircraft and it is being used in the roll we are planning for it, however I think the benifits of a single fleet outweigh the costs of a bigger aircraft. They do have a lot of similar components I'm not sure you could draw from the same fleet of techs to work on each aircraft or if there would be cross training required. Bigger fleets tend to lower the overall fixed costs of operating per flight hour.
@@criticalevent I mean it’s used in Finland snow isn’t the major issue it’s the fact SARTECHS can’t jump out of the back due to aerodynamic issues
Well, just ask who's relatives pockets are getting lined as per liberal standard operating procedures. Some things never change. Cons are no better; that's true too. Why do politicians f every purchase up.
@@jameson1239 The C130J is over kill BUT it is more capable and can be cross used for other applications if need be, plus the RCAF already operates the type, it and it would be cheaper in the long run without having to have another supply chain for another aircraft type. This is the typical short sightedness when the Liberals do procurement..
Canada's Air Force: Destined to Become Old an Obsolete?
Destiny fulfilled?
WOW...only 14 years? That is fast...
I spoke to an ex_Hurc pilot and he stated they are having problems with this plane....and it hasn't even entered service yet!! Where is it???
Hate to be a downer but the decision to acquire this aircraft by the RCAF was a huge mistake. Built with the pilot in mind and not the Search And Rescue Technician (as always). It's extremely small and crammed in the back and most SARTechs can't even stand in it.... Another great decision by the CAF.
well............thats going to have to last us 50 years
I know one the Pilots. They have been getting ready for the new boards for 2 years now!
Canada’s procurement process seems to be torturous
The word is "broken".
It's about time.
Except the whole 295 project is completely off the rails and will likely need to be scrapped as there is no end in sight for the technical problems.
like, how difficult is it to spec out a SAR plane?
We still use knots, feet, pounds in aviation. I think it'd be more appropriate (less confusion) if you can stick with that at least for aircraft related videos.
Nope. It would be better for aviation to ditch the out of date measurement system.
@@mikepotter5718 - The nautical mile, unlike the statute mile, is based on the mathematical division of latitude. It makes navigation far more simple than any metric or imperial system. The knot represents the number of nautical miles traveled in an hour.
@@flick22601 Middle age units.
@@harrymattah418 - And still the best units for today. The U.S. Navy quit teaching celestial navigation at one time and a ship was lost when the power went out and all the modern equipment quit working. They reinstated it into their curriculum.
@@flick22601 Go on, and switch to babylonian sexagesimal counting. You will be up to date.
Did any Vaseline come with that acquisition program?
By the time the first one takes flight, the design will be already 20 y.o. And they expect the frame to last at least 26 years. This is as bad as the new Canadian Surface Combatant for the RCN; almost 17 years in development with at least 7 to 10 more for finalizing the design and build the first one. Gotta love Canada’s procurement system.
Surface Combatant is meant for frontline combat, so I agree. But a friggin transport plane? What new pathbreaking stuff is coming up in this vertical in the next 20 years? Even India is manufacturing this plane starting from 2025 onwards only.
At 7:02, that's a C-17 Globemaster and not a C-130 Hercules by the way.
Yes your right, an RCAF C -17 Globe. I can see the confusion, thanks.
Glad my vote on the 'name' poll counted :)
The most surprising for me is that the C295 is the replacement for the C212, which also was the replacement of the DHC-4 Caribou.
Diseñado en España. Se han construido 300 aviones C-295. Avion muy seguro.
offered contract in 2016? is it not 2022? oh man.
How does this aircraft compare to the Buffalos STOL capabilities? What was wrong with the Buffalo design that it needed to be replaced. Why could Buffalo and caribou aircraft not continue to be produced. And upgraded.
Next the helicopter needs to be up geraded next.
Are single shot military rifles still the vogue in Canada?
I found you video because I was looking for the Kingfishers of the Knights of Solamnia from the Dragonlance setting of D&D. I was a passenger on a Spartan in 2011 during my military service for the U.S. Army. I have no idea if it was an American aircraft or not🤔
The C-27j Spartan is an Italian designed and built aircraft.
It was a political purchase, no one asked what SARtechs actually needed.
"Capt Jacobson also agrees that the SAR Techs are going to be inconvenienced. The
height/diameter of the fuselage of the CASA is way too short!! Have you ever been in the back of the
Buffalo when 3 SARTECHs are trying to maneuver around one another once they have all their jump kit
on? Each guy is carrying 265 lbs of extra kit and they have to be able to step around one another when
they’re preparing to jump. There’s barely enough room in the Buffalo and its ceiling is a good 8 to 9’.
The CASA only has about 6’, therefore any SARTECH trying to work back there will be forced to be
permanently bent at the waist… this will undoubtedly lead to long-term back ailments for anyone who’s
5’10” and taller. Most of the SARTECHs are near the 6’ mark, so I really feel for them. To me, this
small fuselage should’ve ruled out this aircraft as a contender, period."
i have been folowing this saga, for a long , long and long time
in your documentary, one of the most complete i ever saw
bravo, theres are a lot of recherche in it, thnaks to mentionante our procurment system witch it is political affected
but
thanks to publish the 3 zones, for SAR, first impression, that was at the begening of the programe, the c295, to big, to expensive for Wst coast aera, not enought leg for the central zone, (up to the north) and just enough for eastern zone
but you have said, it ss manoeuvrable at slow speed, for west cost, will it be ok for maintain aera ?
That's not a Hercules @ 7:00 - it appears to be a C-17. Otherwise, it's a good video!
Ah yes thank you. I had to cut some sections and mixed the mentions/corresponding video up. To my ever lasting shame. Thank you.
The scariest thing about this is that the new defense minister came from pwgsc to her new portfolio so I certainly hope that she brings more urgency to her post than her predecessor
figured it out yet?
Project is facing delays and will probably be restarted as GOC picked the least qualified aircraft and is having lots of problems
What is the aircraft anyway? First I have heard of it.
Too bad that they couldn't have awarded this to a Canadian aviation company...
Just be thankful Trudeau didn't give it to the Chinese.
@@RLTtizME Bet if you look deep enough he awarded it to some company where his family / friends get a kickback...
4:42 that's a C-27J Spartan cockpit
oh your right, it was mislabeled. I need an editing team.
I remember when the army sent green helicopters to search for someone. It was very confusing.
Why would we not use an amphibian for SAR. It would have the flexibility to land on land and water if required
C130J models would have been a better choice.
"The flu that must not be named."
Funny the SAR techs (cheezies) cannot get to the search locations by themselves, they require a crew of pilots, nav's, FE's, loadies, ground crew, admin pers, vehicle techs, cooks and a whole lot of other members before the cheezies even jump out of the plane/helicopter. So the specialist require a lot of other professionals before the SAR weenies even get on board.
Ok and? That’s the same with every other unit
Canadas aviation industry and cost is a drag.
Why do you show a C-17 Globemaster when you say Hercules at 7:02?
It's part of the scavenger hunt. You win!
I think you might have scrambled the Herc with a C-17 Globemaster (Moose)
To my everlasting shame I did after cutting sections. Thank you.
@@FrontlinePros Haha, just a slip, your videos are spot on!
how do you get a transport plane you call a bird of prey ?
Hahaha. 11 year service contract - started counting down in 2016 - and we have only taken possession of 4 aircraft. 2024 we get all the machines - when 8/11 years service contract has expired.
Got it - so, we’re on our own - for many years to come - before these machines can provide any assistance.
how exactly are they planning to get the survivors into their plane tho?
Fixed-wing SAR aircraft obviously don't pick up people from places that they can't land. Their functions are to find people and to deliver SAR techs and equipment or supplies.
I live 3 mins from the base, mush better upgrade to the Buffs. (20 yr Army Vet 🇨🇦)
was the plane made in Indonesia...?
That sounds great but it can't land and take off in short runways like the C130 Hercules, thus limiting rescues. SAR Tec's are concerned.
Great plane, not the worst decision
all believe it when it here and when its start doing that SAR MISSION other wise I m dont think it will be on time and former coast guard auxiliary Victoria BC and awesome video and still taking to long to get it here