Vinyl air hose repair (unconventional)
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2019
- YES, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE BARBED FITTINGS FOR HOSES. Don't do anything that I do in this video. Always consult a licensed expert, a physician, and a qualified legal team before you make any decision that affects your life.
Following a similar disclaimer (on the radon video), one commenter recently told me that I was right to point that out! No excess is too excessive to fail to be regarded as dogma by some sect out there. My point was sarcastic! I mean, this is DIY content; of course I don't consult experts in every case. In fact, today I have to replace my well system's pressure tank and assemble all of its associated gizmos. Ever seen one of those kits? Here's a pic:
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Do I consider myself an expert? Ha! I've never even seen one of these kits before. I just googled how they work yesterday, and I can barely work a pipe wrench. Tenacity pulls me through it all. Ok, I need to go, because I should really stop writing so much. Sometimes I will respond to commenters with pages and then just delete it all before posting. After spending years as a compulsive reader, it seems that my brain is starting to re-work itself to produce its magnum opus book-report. It's like that alien that's come to term in the host's gut, and now it's ready to burst out. But not now- I have shit to do.
Before I go, here's how you can always tell if I'm being sarcastic: I'm never serious when I use absolutes. - Навчання та стиль
So far, two weeks, no leaks. It has been plugged in to the compressor the entire time, averaging around 100 psi. In case you are wondering, the PEX pneumatic system in the wall loses surprisingly little pressure over time. However, if I leave a tool plugged in (like the air-sprayer), it might lose 5 or 10 pounds overnight.
two weeks no leaks! man's got a rhyme and everything. i'm convinced.
I know that you are not supposed to use CPVC due to the fact that if it shatters, then under pressure, explodes you get shards of plastic everywhere, is that a problem with PEX? I'm not familiar enough with that product. I think the rule of thumb is if you do end up using CPVC or similar, you have to actually cover it in some way either in another sleeve or buried in a wall that has some sort of a metal protection or something like that in order to keep the shards contained
Yeah, I would NOT be comfortable with CPVC. That stuff just doesn't sit well with me.
My grandfather also did pex airlines in his shop walls. 3 years with minimal leaks
You might not be losing any air... The compressor makes air pressureized and hot, then pushes it into the tank where it cools off and slightly contracts reducing the pressure. Conveniently reducing the amount of energy recovered from the compressor.
I've seen people plumb air with copper, but never with pex. Huh. Learned something new today, cool! I used to think about plumbing air so I could leave my (horrifically noisy) pancake compressor in the garage, but instead I just waited until it died and I bought one of the super silent California Air Tools tanks. So far, really impressed with how quiet it is. Also, as a hobbyist, there is no justification at all for having an always-on-always-charged air system at my disposal.
Also, the last sentence in your video description was the absolute best thing I've ever read.
I have seen PVC
I'm really cheap.. PEX fittings are expensive..
I use 'clamp hose crimp' (the type with a lug either side) and close them with a big pair of angle cutters. :)
Oh. and source of leaks: If you cut off the old fittings with a knife and score the brass.. That one has got me once or twice before I worked it out.
The teflON clue is actually in the name
Apply it in the same direction as you will turn your fitting.
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My summer job had me going through rolls of Teflon tape. We performed compliance inspections on suspended oil wells and had to remove plugs and fittings to take pressures. I used the tape so much that one of my pockets was dedicated to holding one to three rolls, and another pocket was solely dedicated to disposing used tape off of the fittings so as not to leave garbage lying around
I enjoy your videos. And I am a 2nd Level Cheap Skate...but I prefer the term frugal..
Ah, yes. I prefer to consider myself "discerning."
I once made my own carbon brushes from a chunk of graphite. Another time I made a wooden handle for a broken plastic spray-bottle. Definitely a third-level cheapskate here.
You can add some low points in your air distribution system so that you can easily get rid of condensate in the line.
The wall fittings already ARE low points. Besides, drains are really more of a concern with (cold metal) tanks; lines can be blown out with a single burst.
Glad I’m not the only one who gets messed with the Teflon tape direction... great tip you didn’t show us ;)
Thanos: I used the hose to clean the hose
I genuinely appreciate your use of the Rockwell font
I love you Pocket
What a coincidence. I was just redoing the air compressor system on my truck at work. I don't have anything to add tho. I just use hose clamps, and the hose fits better.
Where can I get those tools from buddy ? I need to do this atm thanks
Thanks for the update along with the good information, I have both types of pex clamps, and tools due to my profession... you basically answered my question, as while I am not a next level cheapskate, we pay good money for equipment, and if it will work just fine then I'll be damned if I'm going to just consume for the sake of conventionalism. I do understand you saying you don't recommend it, because there are a lot of people that will make hair-brained/sloppy mistakes where safety is concerned, therefore compromising the efficacy of this type of project...
Thanks. And for the record, this repair is _still_ in use (as of Aug 2023). It has remained under (nearly) constant pressure for years now.
@@pocket83squared That is freaking awesome. Thank you for the update! I was wondering. Stuff like this is why "we WON'T have nothing, and be happy". They are underestimating us. I say, "They'll lose everything, and we'll make sure they're miserable." Much respect! 👊🏻
Great idea! 😍😍😍
"The direction you put it on matters...and it always confuses me". Thank you! I can hold my own in my shop, but every time I put teflon tape on a thread I think about it for a while and eventually get it wrong. Always figured I had a mental issue or something.
Imagine wrapping that tape on the outside of a female fitting, then pulling it. How would you have to pull it for the fitting to screw on? Wrap tape same direction. In other words, for a typical male air (or water, or gas) fitting it's clockwise when you are looking into said air fitting.
Make a fist with your right hand and point your thumb into the fitting. Wrap the tape in the direction your fingers point.
That's a great idea thank you
Nice system, I personally used the John Guest system and nylon pipe, which was nice to work with and all, but your PEX system has to be at least half the price. If you want to add drains, just add a T-fitting at the outlet and point the outlet quick-connect up and a stand-pipe down with a valve at the end to purge out condensate from time to time, I've seen that done in several large industrial installations. I've added some horribly expensive 200 dollar automatic venting condensate catcher thingy-ma-bob to the lowest point in my system, with 2 cm drop per meter towards it, and half a year later I've never seen that blasted thing even collect any water. Might be a bigger issue with black iron or copper lines, I have no idea... So I'd say don't worry too much about condensate forming in your system.
The fittings are the lowest points, and they all point down. I've tried bursting some air through a few times, and no moisture yet. It's also all plastic that's inside of an insulated wall. As you've said, condensation is probably more of a concern with cold metal, and in this case, that would be inside of the air compressor. I haven't noticed a drop outside of that, but my system is only three fittings in a sideways capita 'E' shape. Time will tell.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but you are a strange individual, but god damn I get sucked into your videos and watch every second lol. I think I like the fact that you are just straight to the point.
very well done
I thought PEX was a type of plastic tube used for sewage plumbing? Is it a brand name thing?
Yes, and yes:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-linked_polyethylene
You can use HVAC copper because it's measured differently.
Plumbing copper measures ID while HVAC copper measures OD.
That will work!
great thinking outside the box idea. way better than hose clamps :}{
That is exactly the way I plumbed my shop last week
Add heat to the copper so it will expand slightly and go on easier.
I'm just going nuts that you can use pex plumbing to pipe air....
I do the same thing with pex fittings.... little wd40 helps jam in.
Pocket, have you ever had anyone tell you you sound a bit like Mr. Rogers at times? In particular, in this video, when you’re explaining the direction to wrap the tape around the threads. You have that same calming tone that he had when explaining things to children. Just an observation. Not being judgmental in any way, so I hope you don’t take it as such. In fact, I mean it as a compliment. Have a great day and thanks for another informative video.
He was born in Latrobe, which is just a bit upstream on the Loyalhanna from where I'm from. We probably carry the same local twang. "The not now" video was shot just very close to where he lived. My father-in-law met him before: of course (just as with everybody around here who's met him), he said that he was a great guy.
Maybe it's something in the water. Too bad _Rolling Rock_ is no longer brewed there, or else you could give it a try!
Thanks, neighbor ;)
I have gotten away from street fittings. The restriction in flow... air or fluid is restricted noticeably. Use a plain 90 for no restriction.
There's a simple equation I used to determine the appropriate pressure, volume, and temperature intrinsic to this system, and their overall affect on efficiency, as well as to evaluate the relationship those variables share with these specific fittings, and of course, to gauge any resultant restrictions:
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tools work = plumbing ok
So did it keep working?
It's still there. Under daily use.
I've just used #14 steel wire. Wind a coil on the lathe that's a significantly tight fit on the naked hose. Cut a short (1") section of the coil, apply it to the hose, lubricate the ID and hose barb with soapy water, and shove it in. No crimping needed, but it helps to heat the hose up.
If shoving the assembly together is too difficult, insert the fitting and screw the coil over it. Leaving temporary tails on the coil might make that easier, but you'd need to cut them off neatly.
For an added strain relief and perhaps some extra strength, wind a slightly larger diameter coil, slide it on the hose beforehand. After the fitting is installed, screw the larger coil over the one holding the barb. Nothing sticks out, and you can make the strain relief any size you want. See: funkyimg.com/i/2YnXN.jpg
I've only ever used this method for pvc lines on systems below 150psi (it's survived 60 C). The nice thing about using wire is that you can make any diameter from the same stock without needing to bore sleeves or crimp things.
Never serious when I use absolutes. Ha.
Tool in the background hehe
safety orange as well. almost as good as safety pink.
This is also a great way to recycle old fittings, just cut the cripmped sleeves off.
It’s Conan!
I bet this video is pure air hose repair no derailing from the subject. Lets see.
so i assume that the tubing has lasted for almost 2 years now?
man, for such cheap tubing to last so long, it might be worth it.
Yes, it's still going strong. What's maybe even more impressive is that the orange tubing came from an air hose that I'd bought around 20 years ago for $10. If you can tolerate a cheap vinyl hose's stiffness, the thing itself is quite a product; it's probably even tough enough to run permanent in-wall lines with.
Hose barbs are available in different sizes, They might be easier to use.
So, what? That's not the topic of this video. Did you watch it? The idea was to do something _other_ than a traditional hose repair. Read the first sentence in the description.
WRONG! You're using the wrong fittings. You're using a male quick disconnect fitting where you should be using a barbed fitting. Anyone watching this please don't do this.
WRONG! That was the premise of the video! And it has lasted for well over four years now, at 100 psi, without incident.
What's "wrong" procedurally will only be relative to something's intended design. I designed this, intentionally, to work a different way. It did.
Please consider Loctite 545 instead of Teflon tape on air and hydraulic fittings. No chance of tape particles contaminating the system. And it does not leak, never hardens and is much easier to apply.
Hose clamps are cheap
i would have just eliminated one of the fittings and clamped the hose over the threaded side. and as other people have said screw type hose clamps work just fine. and they are cheap.
This video wasn't about what you "would have just" done.
Man, is that a tired cliché.
@@pocket83squared i dont disagree. seemed the point of the video is getting down and dirty and doing things unconventionally with limited resources. but then over complicated it by using unsessarisary processes. either way i enjoyed your video, and most of what you post! sorry didnt want my first comment on your channel to seem so negative! keep the content coming.
U could have done it the right way for cheaper why u decided to show a video of this another bad idea
U could learn communicate why u decided to embarrass yourself go away moron
Learn what you're doing before video publication.
Your assumption is incorrect. You're also being rude. This repair has lasted for well over a year now under constant use. Further, consider the theme of a channel before commenting like a presumptuous twit.