Drinker's Chasers - Are Hollywood Writers Even Still Needed?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The Hollywood Writer's Strike is already starting to bite, with late night talk shows being the first to get shut down. Not that any of us care. But how long will the strike last, and are they simply hastening their own replacement with AI?
The last big writer's strike: "Oh, this sucks. So many great shows died because they lost their writers, it was a tragedy."
The new writer's strike: "Oh, that's perfect. I hope 90% of them never get their job back, literally reddit can write better than they can."
You would have to be seriously stupid and/or indocturnated to unironically believe that.
You mean AI could ftfy
it wouldn´t surprise me if they used reddit as a recruitment tool.
@@TheOneAndOnlycE The Ms Marvel show was pretty open about it.
@@TheOneAndOnlycEThe Ms Marvel show was also (allegedly) alright
Imagine writing Velma and She-Hulk and thinking you deserve more when you should be lucky to still have a job.
So you’re disregarding a strike for better wages and working conditions for writers because bad shows exist?
@@AlabasterTen Most of the protesters are mediocre writers responsible for bad shows. They want better terms for consistently bad work. You don't pay a plumber extra for a badly fixed faucet.
@@AlabasterTen Yes. How do you get paid more and better conditions when you do a bad job, make your employer lose money and are useless?
There are writers working as baristas in Starbucks worldwide that would have done a better job with those concepts.
It's infuriating that Hollywood allows such talentless ghouls fail upwards to the point they endanger an entire industry.
@@AlabasterTen bro hollywood can't pay them money they don't have that's how business works when you waste money to make a product you need to at least make double the amount it cuast to make or else you get paid very little or not at all
As an aspiring screenwriter, it is absolutely soul-crushing to see the trajectory of modern-day filmmaking.
Be the change you want to see brother
I believe in you & others like you who understand the importance of a good screenplay, characters etc
Yup, same. This is one of the many reasons why I jumped ship from pursuing a career in animation
@Southern Gothic I wouldn't get into animation, that could become a huge waste of time.
Why train for many years to spend 1,000's of stressful hours to make said animations when an AI will likely just do the equivalent in seconds and you'll be obsolete anyway? All you'll be needed for is to tweak and polish the animation, if you're even needed for that!
Be positive
“Somehow Palpatine returned.”
What would we do in the absence of such literature genius?
That line made me cringe in theaters
@@specialagentorange4329 you went to the cinema? Why?
You forgot lines; "the dead speak" and "they fly now" 😂
Or bad fan fiction as most see it as.
Somehow Starwars isn't fun anymore.
I was shocked to hear the writers were going on strike. I was sure A.I. was writing all Hollywood scripts for the past 5 yrs at least.
There is a fairly well-supported theory that AI wrote Rings of Power. All those things that make no sense in context, like Gal-Lad diving into the ocean several days out to sea, make sense if an AI can't recall the context.
That would be really sad if we already made AI woke.
Same!
AI would have analysed what is successful and what is not...and would have written better show than these folks
@Margarine Snatcher You'd be very wrong. People already figured out that the chat bots hold super liberal ideals. They're designed to be woke already
I always thought there was no way humans could write Rings of Power or She-hulk. Now I'm convinced they're written by AI
That is EXACTLY what you will get from a look-up table and some copy/paste algorithms.
I absolutely believe rings of power was written by AI.
@@emhu2594 In a way yes - it was written by autistic narcissists
I feel as if RoP would have benefitted from some AI help
No they weren't. Because I suspect AI would actually make a script based on the genre it's supposed to be about.
I was absolitely terrified when i heard hollywood writers were striking. I thought AI had finally gone rogue.
we finally hit Judgment Day, the day Skynet became self aware and realized humanity was too sick to survive so its getting ready to nuke us for making it write yet another Adam Sandler vacation movie.
This may well be the moment when those writers find out how replaceable they have become.
Don't go blaming AI for Hollywood's awful writing. If the writing gets better, then you know AI has taken over.
@@Volkbrecht Except now people will be out of work. And there’s plenty of decent writers still in existence.
@@psychokinrazalon Yeah, sucks for those decent writers. Both of them.
The writers strike of 07/08 killed so many shows that were doing so well. Heroes had it's season cut from 23 episodes down to 13 and it completely changed the direction the story was supposed to go. Prison Break was another one that suffered heavily from the writers strike. Imo, we were approaching a golden age for scripted television which all fell apart with the writers' strike.
Ehh Imma have to call this out as wrong. Heroes was not a good show. Lost was terrible from the word go. BSG has aged badly. It was a false golden age-the real golden age was in the 2010s with serious dramas like BB. And they owe it all to The Sopranos.
WGA strikes have been screwing over good shows since the early '70s, at least. There was an awesome Bill Bixby show, "The Magician," which was cancelled due to poor ratings resulting from the strike at the time. Had a great into theme, too. =-[.]-=
@@ionbing2884 I'd take BSG remake over any modern show... even though that show is the reason why sci-fi is dark and cynical now.
@@ionbing2884 shut up and sit down.
HBO's The Wire's final season had been cut to only 10 episodes.
I can safely say that in an age where anyone can become famous overnight by making cheap, entertaining internet videos, not to mention the HUGE back catalog of pre-woke shows, movies, games and so on that can keep us entertained beyond our lifetimes, there's no need for Hollywood anymore. I never have to go to the theater or watch TV, again.
Mainstream TV is scared of UA-cam & have tried emulating it with lame tv shows, I genuinely don’t know anyone anymore who watches tv, I tried watching for the first time in 10+ years and I genuinely forgot how terrible it is for ads & practically nothing good to watch
Tv is to entertainment what the landline telephone is to communications in 2023 lmao
Anyone is putting it lightly...
The only thing UA-cam hasn't managed to break into is sports. That's the only thing keeping Network TV alive at this point as everything else can be clipped and posted on UA-cam.
@@bruhdon4748 There's some good reason for TV but it's not enough! TV is so god damn expensive! Worse are a cavalcade of government regulations in general and so much more so in Canada. Fuck this country. With interest rates going up and a recession likely starting, I have every reason to believe that cables are getting cut harder than ever.
Here’s the thing about AI and screenwriting. Everyone is getting it wrong.
As a screenwriter, if you sell an original first draft, that’s the highest payday you can get - $50,000, if the film is high budget. Based on how many OG movies are coming out this year you can guess how often this happens, but you still shoot for it (even though the studio will own all rights to your work, and you will be fired after that first draft so they can get you off the project).
Then, the rewrites come in. 99% of screenwriting work is rewriting other people’s stuff. A script will go through 20-ish rewrites, at least, on studio projects. Wonder Woman went through 80. You get paid a few thousand per rewrite. Given that it takes a month or two to do a rewrite, that’s only a little higher than minimum wage per year in LA.
Your best hope is to be brought on to make a first draft. You get paid for delivering a treatment, then (assuming they like the treatment) you get paid to write the first draft - I believe the pay drops to ~$35,000 for high budget non-original projects.
Basically, the fear in the screenwriting community about AI is that studios looking to save money will just generate a first draft. It will turn out awfully (have you SEEN the AI-generated scripts???) and they’ll bring in real writers to rewrite, turning screenwriting into a profession of just rewriting, not creating. No more first draft gigs in original or non-original categories.
Writers would like to go back to an era like the 80s, when Star Wars and Indiana Jones didn’t have to be books first. Writers would like for more original content to get produced. Execs want to hedge their bets and not take risks.
THAT is why writers hate AI. Not because it’s better than screenwriters today - seriously, a 12 year old can write better than AI - but because cost-cutting execs will jump at the opportunity to devalue the most important part of the process: THE SCRIPT.
But the scripts are shitty. SW and IJ don't hold up nearly as well as many think...
As if modern scripts are ever redrafted.
100% correct.... the $50,000 for the first draft is the WGA average. The more established you are, the higher the fee. But most $ is made in rewrites. Agents for writers RARELY sell a spec script. They try to hire their clients out for rewrite work. That's the only way to make a steady living. This video is just another way for Drinker and friends to dump on writers and 'the message' which has gotten very stale.
AI progresses very fast. Today it might have 9 year old mind and write nonsense, tommorow it might be 55 year old with millions of years of experience writing best scripts movie industry have ever seen.
Thank you for these insights into the film industry. What strikes me is that based on what you're saying, the adoption of AI by studio execs could actually be a godsend for writers. If writers are, and will always be, much better at writing first drafts than AI, and the first draft is the most important part of the process, then for the first time in history, writers will be able to form their own studios, and dramatically outcompete their former slavedrivers. The smartest thing for the Writer's Guild to do would be not to protest, but to seek investment and start an incubator program. We could be at the dawn of a new era of small, thriving, independent studios.
They prevent young new talent from breaking in to the industry and introduce fresh ideas, demand that everyone writes shitty formulaic screenplays, "suprised pikachu face" when some chat bot is able to replicate their work, then demand higher pay and guarantee that the chatbot's never used when they have absolutely nothing to bargain with, cause they never allowed in the fresh new talent to begin with that would've now given them an edge... Genius!
There's been a lot of nes DEI talent added to Hollywood. The problem is that they got thrown in the deep end and sank like rocks.
I think it goes the other way too - new and emerging writers have no leverage or power at all so you need the industry to demand better conditions or else the new writers will get stuck with nothing.
What stops the companies from just ignoring them completely and just using the ai? Is there anything?
They're literally striking against everything you're accessing them doing
@@mohammedhussain939 No, they’re not striking against the unspoken hiring rules, the political litmus tests, or the subscription to ideologies
Besides it’s these same writers who make the crap to start with, it’s still crap they just want more pay for making it
Some of these writers have made me ambivalent to Marvel and Star Wars, franchises I’ve cherished since I’ve been a kid. Now they want a raise? Blow me. Your reward is my money finding new things for me to enjoy.
Couldn’t care less if Hollywood ever makes another movie in it’s current form. Modern writers deserve the boot.
Well said! They tarnished classic icons that we've enjoyed for generations in a short few years...
I remember the whole Heroes thing. Season 1 was great and a surprise rating phenomenum and then people were like "Good Lord this took a massive drop in Season 2, didn't it?". And years later we learned that it had been greatly affected by the writers strikes. Unfortunately it never recovered from it.
"Where are da eye-pods?!"
💀
Yes! Season 1 was a literal PHENOMENON back in the day! As in even people who all but despised geek/comic culture, LOVED Heroes because the writing as so good! Season 2, in all fairness, still had some of the strong writing from Season 1, but definitely inferior by comparison. But then by the time Season 3 came around? I literally almost fell asleep with every single episode, and was BARELY able to get through the episodes when I purchased the complete series on DVD.
Same happened to "Lie to Me"
@@donmiles3927 That's why I only bought Season 1 lol I think their inneherent mistake was the showrunner came from Lost and he decided to do the opposite and keep his stories short. The New York apocalypse or something, they could have kept that storyline running for years. But decided to end it after one season and after that, they pretty much had nothing to go on. And they never knew where to go. Cause no other stories were ever has compelling after that.
Yes, Hollywood needs writers. No, Hollywood does not need marketing execs who force writers to churn out nonsense full of ideological messages and remakes that are to be rewritten for a "modern audience."
Some of the best writing I’ve seen in movies lately has been in Korean cinema. Decision to Leave was easily one of the best movies of 2022 and also went unnoticed at the Oscar’s.
Korean and Japanese has dramatically improved. It is of far superior quality to Hollywood.
But Korean entertainment industry is just a wannabe American industry. They have killed their own culture to ape the western culture. They will easily fall into the traps of Hollywood quickly if they get popular in the west. Though I do like a lot of Korean stuff, they have their own problems as well.
Certainly a thought to consider if interest in over seas material rose before or after the decline in creativity in Hollywood and what those effects are either way to get us to our current position.
They've been good for a while now. I saw the devil is probably my favourite film.
I love that movie although it did drag for a bit towards the middle but still a great movie. Broker too another Korean movie that was fantastic imo people got to watch broker.
It’s scary to think that any late night TV is actually written.
I don't think you have any idea how hard it is to write good television - and especially comedy - every day of the week. SNL airs once a week (generally) and hires the brightest and most talented writers and still the quality of the sketches is hit or miss.
@@cap00ify It's not anymore though, just go ask chatgpt to write comedy sketches. It actually does a really good job, some of them need a bit of polishing but they're still funnier than 90% of the stuff on tv.
As a recent film graduate in search of a writers job… where the hell even are these jobs? These people are complaining about their jobs which they got through nepotism or “knowing somebody” where most of us can’t get an email back let alone a meeting.
There’s two major factors they never really talked about with this strike:
1. They are doing this during an economic downturn. And these “writers” have cost the studios so much money on bad movies nobody watches, it’s cheaper just to get rid of them.
2. UA-cam is the biggest form of consumer entertainment. And many of the most popular UA-camrs can pump out low effort content that's completely unscripted.
The only good outcomes I want to see is the studios releasing the streaming numbers and a general purge of all the activist writers.
Bingo. Jimmy Fallon would fly to Epstein Island on a weekly basis if it meant he could get PewDiePie numbers.
Yeah, good points. And one thing I was wondering about- will the strike force Hollywood to rely on AI writing, and once they do will they then realize that it's no different from the bad writers they have now, lol. That would be entertainingly ironic, since part of the "demands" is to not use AI.
Purging these clowns would be a gift to humanity.
@@marychocolatefairy Another comment mentioned it but the biggest threat AI serves is it is an automated process for simple tasks. This happened in the Hip-Hop community where an AI was able to write a song that sounded better than most top artists in the scene.
So if you are a simple writer with no imagination who writes simple stories, you are sweating bullets because your talent level can be outperformed by what is essentially a glorified search engine. And when you've caused 40% of the paying customers to leave and never come back due to your "talents" and running your mouth on Twitter, I would say most executives would leap at the opportunity to get a "writer" who can mass produce scripts and doesn't ever complain about anything.
It's not activist writers so much as it's activist studios looking for "yes" men writers. We need new studio execs, not new writers, and there's not an unscripted thing on the web that can hold a candle to a well-made film.
The fact that they're even worried about being replaced by openAI models like chatGPT shows that they know their writing is absolute dog shit and don't care to make it any better.
Please, don't compare Critical Doggo's "output" to their work!
As a amateur writer/script writer/novelist, this strikes makes me want to just not even bother.
I can’t stand this industry from top to bottom.
Hollywood Writers: "WE DEMAND TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!"
Everyone: "No."
Hollywood Writers: "YES!"
Everyone: "No."
Hollywood Writers: "YES!"
Everyone: "No."
Hollywood Writers: "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!"
Everyone: "Haha, no."
Everyone: No, We don't think we will.....
"You want a raise?! I sat through Captain Marvel!!! You're lucky you haven't been replaced by a room full of chain smoking monkeys chained to typewriters!!"
Thats compelling dialogue, they should give you a gig.
@@Black_Swan_Rider As long as it’s a good project tho
99% World Population: "Funny strike... Still NO"
I have a feeling that today's writing sucks because (Statistics from my head):
30% are activists first, writers second;
20% are simply people with little experience (Those you can just give them some smaller productions or putting them under someone's watch, so they can learn a bit more);
40% are people who are capable, but studio executives force them to shove identity politics, so they have no option other than comply,
10% are good writers who won't work for Disney or Netflix.
Looking over Picasso’s shoulder and critiquing him on his brush strokes..
Expecting a true artist to work a 9-5 work week shows the complete lack of understanding of what an artist actually is.
Inspiration doesn’t clock in and out at specific times on a daily basis. If you forced Cobain to write that way, Nirvana would never have existed.
They used to go after both sides. Since Obama, it’s all 1 way traffic and thus overly predictable and not funny. Look at old SNL episodes, all was fair game. No more
Only 20%? Pump these numbers.
@@rickyaz8640 Nah. The extreme and clear one-sidedness came a bit earlier. The last I can remember where each side got about the same amount of schtick was Clinton's second term when he ran against Dole. With that they poked fun at Dole for being old and Clinton for eating junk food and Lewinsky and that was about it.
After that they would do some token ribbing on Gore for being a bit boring, but would really go after Bush (and Cheney) relentlessly. This is when I noticed the "right is a bunch of evil, racist, Nazis" rhetoric really start to ramp up.
It's actually quite incredible when you look at writers/directors on big projects, then review their history. To say their work history is sparse would be an understatement. Similar deal in comics, writers coming from nowhere to pen runs on big titles.
Of course these writers tend to be oddly 'diverse'.
There’s a small part of me that wants to be “Team Writer”. But, then I think about all the contemptible dreck that they forced and emotionally blackmailed us into watching. I’m reminded that this ‘Writers’ Strike’ is just a bunch of lesser elitists having an argument with larger elitists. I hope both sides “burn” each other. I’m getting marshmallows and watching the fun.🎬😆
Forget teams, praise talent and ability.
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. I don't like the studios, I don't like the writers, and I hope the strike drags on for ages and does as much damage as possible to both.
Just let them eat each other.
What are you drinking with those marshmallows?
I think we need writers, but not most of the ones that we currently have.
I don't like the idea of replacing human beings in creativity. It would bring the soul out of culture.
What soul in culture? Even if it existed in the past, we certainly dont have it now.
If the human writers actually put soul and heart into what they write I'd agree with you. Honestly, I'm happy thinking about the Witcher writers not raping the source material anymore.
We need writers, not activists. And all these screen guild/Union writers are just that: activists
@@cheesesniper473
Exactly let them go full AI and then when they fail miserably. Because the AI will be only able to regurgutate existing things.
The writers with soul will still write because they care and have something to say regardless of AI. And if it's good people WILL discover and cherish it.
At this point, considering the swill our culture has turned into, I say let's give the AI a shot. It'll be interesting to say the least.
The demand I find funniest is the "more people in the writing room" one. Now I am sure some productions over work a small writing room but in general when you see movies or shows these days it's filled with half a dozen or more names, usually also giving writing credit to the directors, show runners, producers etc.
Simply put every one and their mother seems to put their hands in the writing room already and it hasn't helped. If anything it causes more problems as consistency is shot as one writer can't be bothered to know what another did and characterization and plot doesn't always flow from one scene to the next. They feel like some one different wrote each section of a movie.
Yeah, the prob is def not quantity.
It's quality.
@@texasbeast239 I think it's both, he's right, movies from ye olde days there would be like 3 maybe 4 writers at the very most. Nowadays there will be like 12 sometimes more than that. Can you imagine that many people trying to construct a coherent narrative.
EDIT: And that's not even getting to the fact that some of those "writers" will want to add in things that others wouldn't.
What they mean is "more human writers" not "more robot writers"
@@declanjones8888 The worst is TV series with 5 or 6 credited writers on a 20 minute episode, one with tons of writing mistakes on top of that.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming Oh yeah that's awful.
Worse thing that happens is things stay the same. Best case scenario, things get better or less bad.
Yep.
Oh, poor soul. It can always get worse...
Might be too young here. I’m 19 and I don’t know anyone who stays up to watch any late night talk shows or even watches one. Not even my parents or grandparents m or any of their friends. It’s beyond me how they still exist.
Yes, we do need writers, just GOOD writers. This writer's strike should be an opportunity for Hollywood to flush out these hacks who only want to deconstruct and subvert expectations in stories instead of making the scripts good. Leave these hacks in the dust, and let the aspiring writers who actually care about quality to step in.
Something that a lot of people may have missed. The donation link for the writers strikes goes to the Socialist democrats of California apparently. And the donations don't even go to the WGA. But to some other organisations.
So people who are donating are being misled into thinking that their money is actually going to the writers
If we are talking about the brilliant minds who gave us the rings of power, the star wars sequel trilogy, the last few jurassic park movies and witcher blood origins, I say we should give AI a chance...
“Good AI writers borrow, great AI writers steal.”
Regarding living situations: screenwriters have typically moved to Burbank and Pasadena, where it was considered cheaper to live but still have a relatively direct commute to studios.. but those cities are incredibly expensive to live in now.
They can live in bum fuck Missouri as long as they have cell service they can still work.
“They released morbius twice they should pay us more” dude whoever wrote morbius shouldnt write down my order at a diner.
You'd prolly get a lame version of the dish...
Hollywood writers going on strike is like the chefs at McDonald’s going on strike.
Chef Mic going on strike.
Dude. Check what happened during the last strike. This is not a joke.
The difference is that McD's chief's don't prepare food from scratch
@@odin540 Neither do most mainstream writers...
"mainstream writers"? what?
In 2007 the writers strike impacted a lot of good shows.
This time around there is nothing to affect. Shows might even get better!
There is great content coming out of Korean and Japan and the UK at present. Hollywood won't be missed.
It should be noted that writers arent the only people who have control of a movie's story and script. For example, if a writer is hired to do a marvel movie, the script has to follow guidelines set by Disney. Im not saying that excuses bad writing, but it can ve a bit too easy to blame the writers and not the guidelines and requirements needed for a Marvel movie.
That's why I think Mauler is a bit too hard on Michael Waldron for writing Doctor Strange: MoM. Yeah, he's not that great, but not all his ideas for MoM were bad. Wanda as a villain does make sense and it's the execution that leaves much to be desired.
@@dragonknightleader1 As someone who works in the industry, I'm generally in favor of the writers strike. The switch from Television Networks to Streaming is a HUGE shift in how one gets paid and yet the rules and guidelines for it haven't been updated.
Imagine if you got hired as a car salesman and you get paid partially based off of how many cars you sell. Then, all of a sudden, your car dealership decides to sell bikes instead of cars, yet YOU DON'T get paid per bike sold because your original contract only said "cars".
That's not a 1 to 1 analogy, but the basic idea is that writers aren't being paid properly due to there being an outdated system.
That being said, I also don't think we've been getting a lot of great films, so I understand the temptation to just "roll your eyes at incompetent writers complaining about not making enough money".
Greg Gutfeld isn't stopping for the strike, he currently has the highest rated late night show.
What a shocker. A union busting ahole not supporting a writers strike. 😆
Lol and the writing is absolutely atrocious.
To add a bit of perspective on this whole thing, WGA writers make about the same annual income, on average, as long-haul truck drivers and farmers in the USA, and double that of elementary school teachers. They also make about double to quadruple the hourly rate. Just do the math on how hard they have to suffer and work at their jobs.
As an aside, tech companies have been trying to get AI to replace truck drivers and farmers for about 30 years. The damn computers just can't drive a vehicle in a straight line.
It’s not the writers that push the crap you hate. It comes from above, and they just work within the boundaries set for them
Excecutives and their meddling
If that were true it'd be well written crap.
Not always though... It's depends who actually have the original scripts, which studios picked it up, which teams took it, and how the contracts were agreed upon. Some movies started with scripts first. Some others started with some producers and/or directors having ideas and hiring writers. So, it also depends on technical stuff...
@@zolarenard2246 once upon a time maybe
@@zolarenard2246 Most modern entertainment starts with the producers having the idea: "_____, but reimagined for the modern audience"
I also loved watching Craig Ferguson, even though I was probably too young to be watching him. He was my favorite late night talk show host after Jay Leno left. I was always the only one in my social group who even knew Craig Ferguson had a show. Nice to see that others knew and enjoyed him.
ok so i asked chat gpt to make an avengers 5 synopsis and this is what it came up with.
Sure, here's a hypothetical script for "Avengers 5" that incorporates Captain America staying in the past with Peggy Carter and avoids plot holes:
Title: Avengers: Quantum Convergence
Opening Scene: The movie opens with Scott Lang (Ant-Man) returning from the Quantum Realm after the events of "Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania." He meets with the Avengers, who are still recovering from their battle with Thanos, to share his findings and discuss their next move.
Act 1: The Avengers are still grappling with the fallout of their previous battles when they receive a distress signal from the past. They discover that someone has been tampering with the timeline and causing dangerous temporal anomalies. The Avengers decide to use the Quantum Realm to travel back in time and investigate.
During their investigation, they discover that the person responsible for the timeline disruptions is none other than Kang the Conqueror, who has been using his time-traveling abilities to wreak havoc across different eras. The Avengers must race against time to stop Kang before he can cause irreparable damage to the timeline.
Act 2: While investigating the temporal anomalies, Captain America (now an old man after living a full life with Peggy Carter in the past) makes a surprise appearance and joins the Avengers on their mission. He reveals that he has been keeping a watchful eye on the timeline and has important information about Kang's plans.
The Avengers and Captain America team up to track down Kang, who is hiding in the distant future. Along the way, they encounter various versions of themselves from different points in time and must navigate tricky situations to avoid causing further disruptions to the timeline.
Act 3: In the final battle, the Avengers and Captain America confront Kang in a climactic showdown. They manage to defeat Kang, but not before he reveals that his actions were motivated by a desire to prevent a catastrophic event in the future. The Avengers realize that Kang was trying to protect the timeline, albeit in a misguided way.
After defeating Kang, the Avengers return to the present day and must deal with the consequences of their time-traveling adventures. They come to the realization that messing with the timeline can have unintended consequences and that they must be more careful in the future.
Closing Scene: The movie ends with the Avengers attending a gathering to celebrate their victory over Kang. Captain America is seen talking to Bruce Banner and suggests that he might have discovered a way to stabilize the timeline using the Quantum Realm. As the camera pans out, we see the Avengers standing together, ready to face whatever challenges the future holds.
I'm just awaiting the greatest irony of all, a Terminator film written by AI.
The Matrix written by AI.
AI can currently cobble together a basic fanfic-level script. But it cannot at all emulate the subtlety and nuance of the GOOD writing we used to have.
The REAL problem is that you've all gotten used to sucking down pig slop, while I'm still only accepting filet mignon.... I go hungry most of the time, but the few delicacies I find are all the more savory.
I am a person of physical professions, I remember very well how people of art and intellectuals mocked and laughed at us, how easy it is to replace us with automated machines and drones. now it's our time to laugh. I'm sorry, but I have absolutely no pity for Hollywood, neither actors nor writers.
I knew I liked Baggage Claim but when she endorsed Craigy Ferg she hit a higher level! The many full episodes and interviews of his are on UA-cam and are still worth watching.
The Little Platoon has a voice that can read a grocery list and make it sound like a triple A documentary Sir David Attenborough would be proud of.
I always stick around when he is on. He always says something interesting and as you say he does so in his melodious voice.
I absolutely loved Craig Ferguson! His show was truly unique in the late night comedy landscape. He and his skeleton robot Geoff were funny as hell. I watched YT videos of his show around 2014/2015/2016 to improve my English (listening comprehension in particular). I think he quitted around the same time Jon Stewart did with his Daily Show. In hindsight it was probably the right decision considering the state of late night comedy right now. He really dodged a bullet.
I loved Craig Ferguson's Late Late Show. That show was pure joy. My only regret is that I didn't watch his show when it was first on air. I first discovered his show on UA-cam. So genuine, funny and apolitical. You don't get that from late night talk shows anymore. And Josh Robert Thompson as Geoff Petersen interacting with Craig and Secretariat was always comedic gold.
I agree 100% with Baggage Claim about Craig Ferguson. He truly was a gem of a late night host and there's no one like him. I really miss his show so much.
The WGA is behaving less like a union and more like a traditional guild from past era's. Their primary concern and mission is to stifle competition and force the industry to operate in a way that protects their interests. The demands related to AI are the telling sign. Just like the guilds from history their downfall is inevitable.
If Hollywood adopts AI: They prove that their monolithic gatekeeping is no longer relevant when almost ever part of their workflow can be delegated to a machine that almost anyone and everyone can access and use; why try to work for a company to make peanuts, when you can just make the whole thing yourself and get all the money?
If Hollywood doesn't adopt AI: They are left on the backfoot against anyone who uses AI as a template or starting point to do anything they can do with a much smaller overhead, and less manpower restrictions.
Just my personal thought; this is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. AI either chews them up from the outside, or they adopt it and it devalues their work because there's basically no reason to work for a studio anymore when some corner-store studio using AI can provide everything for fractions the cost with little question.
LOL, unions are basically guilds.
@@ionbing2884 There is a difference between the two. I have been part of multiple unions that don't behave like guilds. But unfortunately there becomes a point that a union becomes so mainstream they get the political clout to behave like a guild.
I'm very interested to see what a script written by an AI would look like in the near future.
Yes to new, good, writers. The problem is the studios do not want good writers.
This could end up being a reverse of the 2007 strike, resulting in studios hiring, by sheer dumb luck, talented non-union writers to in order to meet their deadlines.
Funny enough last time there was a decent strike we got a rush of Reality TV and Game shows, all things that basically take no writing. Now though UA-cam and Twitch exist. If companies want easy content with no writing staff, or at least no writing staff part of the union they have the entire internet to work with. I can't imagine reruns of old streams or even new streams from top channels would draw in less numbers than things like She Hulk.
"Reallity Tv" is 99% scripted
@@karoliskesminas8247 "scripted" as in they tell them what to do, and how to act in a vague sense. Not "scripted" as in some one wrote them what to say. Most the time it's things like "dramatic moment here" "betray some one there" "complete melt down between a couple" etc.
I feel their strike may have the opposite effect they intended in the AI discussion as companies just may decide, "Oh, you are asking for even MORE $ and want us to not use AI, in that case, I'm going to use AI now that you are gone for half the cost." Similar things have happened for factories that were concerned about robots replacing them on assembly lines.
Though if they do use AI, the stories will not get any better than they have recently I would bet.
I'm hoping this is an opportunity for companies to purge the skillless writers they have and only keep the ones that make shows that get good reviews. If they are asking for more $ and royalties etc... that is the best way to cut costs.
*If modern writers were good at their jobs, none of this would be an issue.*
The modern system is terrible and apart of what they're demanding is changing it back to the old system
AI writing is a masterpiece compared to activist "writers".
AI's are also programmed to be woke
@@nEo7ization Sort of. At the moment it has a layer over the top that give it a left leaning bias when the questions overtly triggers it's filters. How ever google has leaked a document the other day saying that they have to get rid of the filter and open up their AI or Open source alternative will surpass them based on estimated growth sometime before the end of this year
The writer of this Email also stated that OpenAi is ahead of them atm but they are making the same mistake by keeping it closed to independent coders
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@@昭夫-o6y you mean, independent coders who can insert some nasty infections? Leave that to governments!
Knowing better, but proceeding anyways; most people do not understand how writers work in Hollywood. Trying to write a screenplay and get it produced is literally, like winning the lottery - it's within the realm of possibility, but hardly likely. Usually, the showrunners/producers/directors, etc., come up with the concepts, plotlines, character designs, etc. and then have writers fill in the blanks. Hence, often it is not the writers' fault when a show sucks; they can only write what they are told to write.
If anything, Hollywood should be more like Kickstarter (minus ideological bias) or GoFundMe where they use crowdfunding on scripts and that determines the kind of budget those scripts get. It's still a lottery and there's still "Coffee is for Closers" morality, but without the gatekeeping that Hollywood engages in where they option scripts and put IPs through development hell.
Love that the writers putting stuff out like 'Wendy and Peter Pan', 'Ant Man', 'Strange World', etc are about to be told to 'Learn to Code'...
the same thing the Coastal American's told all of the coal miners 10 years ago when their jobs became 'obsolete'
Hollywood and the government are the only two segments I cheer when people lose their jobs.
Dave Stewart was talking about this, would anyone notice if the WGA ceased to exist? Good chance AI will be able to produce no end of Star Wars scripts
For the record, I would watch full screen video of Lara with the show as sound only.
Thanks for throwing respect on Conans name. Big fan and it's amazing he went before all these other hacks
The last writer's strike also disrupted the end of Battlestar Galactica. The best sci-fi TV series ever.
It was not that good, and I was a fan who watched it from start to finish. And don't try to pawn that terrible ending on the strike. That was their own disaster.
I really got into it, but it went on for too long. Nobody had any kind of start to finish roughly sketched out.
Started out laughing but soon became filled with existential dread at the thought of the rise of AI and what it will mean for us mere mortals. God help us.
Let me put a tempo onto the criticism towards writers : consider that they have to write according to STUDIOS' demands. Meaning for instance the entire insistance on "the message" is likely a contractual requirement. Same for cameos, mystery boxes, etc.
For sure there are some wrongs and a general low quality, but it's not 100% on the writers' back
"I am directly below...... the enemy's scrotum......."
- dialogue from the 2007-08
writer's guild strike
Here's what you do:
-Feed all previous scripts of x show into AI LLM.
-LLM learns patterns of story arc and character development
-LLM spits out new scripts.
Problem solved
Directors get all the credit for what the writers create.
Directors make the timing and change the script. "I Kknow" was impromptu.
So who gets the blame for ROP? The directors of each episode or the 'showrunners' (writers).
Wow! I love these guys. You guys touched topics that really wondered in my head.
"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."
- Tom Waits
My theory is studios/producers have been forgoing writers rooms full of staff writers in favor of individual contractors, in order to save a buck and speed the process. Thus less team review to check one another's excesses, fewer hands to make sure plot holes are closed, more producer/studio meddling, and less mentorship from more experienced older writers. The result is this latest generation of writers are just emailing in rough scrips full of excesses, to which producers/studios are adding their own excesses, and then its just going to shooting. Thus every script now feels like its written by two 7 year olds playing with action figures.
It's kind of hilarious that someone could be insecure enough that they'd feel threatened by AI writing. If your writing was creatively inferior to an AI's, then the issue probably wasn't the AI.
Replace them by K-drama writers. Problem solved. Like Netflix plans to extend the investment in that segment. Good on them.
Yes writers strikes suck in the USA. Not having Colbert monologues and interviews available makes UA-cam really boring.
Plot twist: The writers just want to use the AI to do the work and still get paid their full freight
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I miss the days when people actually wrote the projects they claimed to create...
Hollywood would actually get better scripts if they crowdsourced out to UA-cam stream chat.
I'm not even joking. A Drinker or MauLer chat could write better scripts.
I mean, how many UA-camrs have rewritten the Star Wars sequels? The prequels?
In almost none of the rewrites I've seen have they failed to dramatically improve on the stories.
@@robertbeisert3315 Isn't Drinker a legitimate novelist too. I'd trust him as a writer far more than anybody in Hollywood at this point.
I'm of the opinion that if you get a room with some game masters from different settings like D&D, Cyberpunk, Vampire and so on, give them a weekend and they could come up with incredible scripts.
@@Edino_Chattino I'm not saying it would be good, but I am saying I'd pay to see it.
There's not a single late-night comedian I won't cheer to see go. I really don't know anybody who likes them.
In general, its absolutely true that A.I. would not be able to write as well as a good screenwriter. Problem here is the "good" part.
Also, apparently protesters were bitching about Jenna Ortega changing lines from Wednesday to be less offensively awful, which should tell you just how far up their own asses they are. When the actors care more about the quality of the script than the writers, run for cover.
For god sakes Drinker, push Mauler or Fringy out of the life boat before you toss Lara The Critical Doggo! Just kidding it was a great panel, don't to loose any of them. Talk to your tech support about the audio problem. Save the Critical Doggo camera please!
Craig Ferguson and Conan were fun to watch because of their quirky humor and you never really knew what to expect.
Considering how anyone can write for movies these days including AI, the real question is how much more writers do you want!?
Movie studios are probably sitting on piles of unpublished scripts for movies that were written on spec. A long enough strike might force them to put movies in production that they passed on in favor of franchise crap. The added benefit of a longer strike is that producers won't have the luxury of throwing tons of notes at directors and forcing un necessary re-writes at movies. Hollywood is full of stories about stars and studio heads ruining movies by forcing stupid changes on original scripts. If they have to shoot them as they are w ritten on the page perhaps some of the stories will actually have more originality.
Someone pointed out that a strong argument we're living in the Matrix is that, for no discernable reason, James Corden is a celebrity, and he seems like exactly the kind of guy who would betray humanity to the machines if they gave him mild celebrity status within the Matrix.
They don’t need “writers” like they’ve had recently; the Hollywood apparatus has all the mechanisms to streamline such a process, and simply get scab “failed” writers. These clowns on strike simply got inserted into that production pipeline because they played the political game that Hollywood so foolishly embarked upon. Anyone who’s even remotely aware of how bad that’s gotten(diversity quotas for each film etc)knows the score.
If AI was to have a purpose in hollywood movies, it would be to assist writers with spell checking and I certainly wouldn't put too much faith in them until after we have Henry Cavill's Man of Steel 2 made and with Superman teaming up with Supergirl against Brainiac, Silver Banshee, including Metallo and Cyborg Superman. You know, villains that never made it onto the big screen before. How can we trust AI for some of the key jobs of Hollywood movie development when we know how they'd be programmed?
"Who watches late night shows?"
Honestly, who goes " it's been a long day at work, let me sit on the couch and watch propaganda"? I never understood why late shows were a thing.
Modern “entertainment” writers have earned termination, not higher pay.
I feel like them not getting paid well leads to bad writing. I mean why care about any job if your getting paid pennies. But I mean go ahead and go against them so they can go back to making media that’s not worth anything to them so you can hate it anyway to get money 🤡
I hate saying it because everyone deserves to have their opinion but the issue with entertainment right now is the same issue that reemerges constantly in Hollywood is no creative people in control of it.
Watching interviews from the 70's where Mel Brooks, Orsen Welles, Rod Serling all talk about the networks controlling the media. That real writers, directors and film makers hate the networks. Seeing everything happening now isn't anything new. What changed is creative people are creating.
I've been seriously writing my screenplay (3-5hrs a day) after watching those interviews because they created work for the sake of art. Orsen Welles, Mel Brooks, Rod Serling, Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino all wrote they own work and that's what needs to be done. Make your own work and control it. These AI can't make what we can. New styles are the old styles. Study the old masters.
"Drinker's Chasers - Are Hollywood Writers Even Still Needed?"
As the last couple of years have shown us: no mostly not. Only the very few good ones. Most are terrible, apparently. And the activists are worse.
The only thing that worries me about this strike is how it might affect the few good things we have, like House of the Dragon.
If it lasts as long as the strike in '08, and if the strike is specifically targeting pay as it pertains to streaming services... please don't take the one good thing I still actually enjoy.
"If you're not careful, you could have a national philosopher's strike on your hands." - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
I can't remember the last time the writers did a good job. Why should we support them?
Because believe it or not without them things will only get worse. Remember, things always can get worse.
@@odin540 I'm not sure if I even can believe that
@@ridgenyan-botxv367 The same thing happened in 2007 when writers went on strike
I'ma throw in this argument.. how can you be expected to write good material when you have to constantly worry about the power going out or paying rent? While people like James Gunn and Tarantino have directing to fall back on, other writers are just that, writers.
Lost and Heroes both took the biggest hit in the 2007 writers strike. The only good show thats running now i wouldnt want to see get disrupted is From, ironically another show by the creators of Lost
I’m so glad Baggage Claim is joining drinker nerdrotic etc
From what I learned, these people get paid well. Up to an average of 5 figures a week, and they get paid weekly. A noticeable complaint from them was that the pay from one show/movie wasn't enough to hold them over FOR THE YEAR.
These people are financially inept, but instead of changing anything they demand more money and control over the industry.
The corporate-capitalist drive these studios have to churn out "safe", "marketable" films and television has directly led us to a Hollywood whose output has the creativity level of a GPT AI bot.