Best 18v Multi-Tool. DeWalt, HiKOKI, Makita, Milwaukee with special guests, Bosch & ToolPRO
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2022
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One thing you missed, and I just had to go double check my DeWalt to make sure I wasn't hallucinating: it has a trigger lock. Press the trigger in all the way, hit the safety and it stays on. So, it can be used in the same way as the others in weird positions etc.
Was thinking the same except I don’t have a dewalt. It just looked like that it could trigger lock
It does trigger lock. But if you nudge the trigger it turns off again which can be irritating in tight spaces. The speed control is nice to have.
I was going to say the same. I did a drywalling job last summer and used the DeWalt extensively and yes it is a lock and it works like a charm. I recently purchased one but I have owned the Skil PWRCore 12 multi tool since that drywalling job and it is also a little beast.
It’s a poor design. At first it feels all comfy, then you go to use it in real world carpentry scenarios and it just sucks! Milwaukee M12, then M18 for the big win!
Actually an excellent review. I have both M18 and M12 systems. I have the M12 Multi-Tool and it’s excellent. I used it professionally fora year. The size is perfect! The Makita is just so bulky! The M12 blade change is a breeze. Since I never use Starlock blades the blade change is super fast and easy. You don’t have to snug down the pin when screwing it back in, just flip lever open, turn the pin a couple of revolutions, take out old blade, put in new blade at desired angle, turn screw till it just stops, no need to tighten down, then push lever down to lock in place. Super fast, easy and positively locked.
I'm 64 and have not previously heard of HiKOKI here in the USA. Seems to be a reason for that. In the USA that Makita tool is a XMT04ZB. I like mine. I stick with Makita just because I have a LOT of batteries and 12 of their 18v LXT tools (my miter saw uses two 5.0Ah, 18V LXT batteries) and just happened to have started down that product line many years ago. I had a non-removable pack cordless Makita drill in 1980 and it lived to 2010ish. Probably could have opened it up and replaced the cells, but I just went with a MUCH more powerful 18V LXT drill/driver and never looked back. I mostly use 5.0 Ah packs now, some 4.0 Ah, but I still have and use two 3.0 Ah packs that are 12 or 13 years old and still charging up and giving service. I really like that. Mikita seems to have figured out battery charging stations for sure.
Never owned a multi tool until a couple months ago and I am glad I got to get the new makita as my first!!!
sorry to hear that .
Really liked this video I’m glad you released it. Whoever did the editing did a great job.
I have a lot to say about oscillator tools! But I won't say it here...
Suffice it to say, I've had a number of them. When I got the new Makita version I fell in love with oscillators again. Just the lower decibel level and lower vibration was enough to lower the annoyance level of using it. The sound of these things is just horrible. Especially when you and two other co-workers are using them at the same time in an inclosed area. Makes me want to scream. The Makita wins for me.
Changing blades would be nicer if a guy had three hands. But, hey, most everything else would be better with three hands.
I think you did a great job reviewing here with all the variations of the tools and such.
I use my makita on speed 1 90% of the time. Only ever use speed 5 for cutting thick steel. Its super quiet and zero vibration.
I bought a DeWalt dcs356sd1 yesterday. When the trigger is depressed, you just press the lock button to lock it in the "on" position. It also locks the tool in the "off" position when the trigger is released. Just FYI. I suspect others may have already let you know. I watched your entire video & found it very helpful. I couldn't afford the Milwaukee & I listened to your preference for how they felt initially in your hand. Great video!!❤
I luv your no nonsense reviews
We have Makita, Milwaukee 18&12V and the Hikoki
Each has it's advantages and priced points
The M12 is our overall favorite, Makita less vibration
But we use the Hikoki for drywall and other finish applications,but u can't force it u have to let the toll do the work and it cuts much faster
Overall though the M12 is good but price is steep unless u wait for a deal
The Makita seems to struck the perfect balance, it's the least annoying in terms of vibration and sound (and since we are talking about Multitools that is quite an achievement) and it does the nicest cuts (same!) while still being super fast. It has a decent lock mechanism (nothing beats the original in that regard, Bosch nailed than one...well, they invented it like so many other great things) that looks to be relatively easy and quick to operate. Plus little protrusion up front, despite even having that handy bumper, for which alone there will be a lot of people buying it, since these tools tend to be used for cutting into finished work and they vibrate like crazy. You don't want your multitool to screw up the rest of your work. It would be my choice.
The best Review test for Multi Tool...you have doing very well this test!!👌👌😊😊🤣
I had the original M12 then upgraded to the M12 Fuel.
The one thing I did notice is that due to the greater oscillation of the new Multi it’s a bit trickier to get a precise start in the material.
It bounces a lot more.
I already watched hours of multi tool comparisons and even bought the m12 (cause it's the best) but you kept me interested the whole time good job. 👍
Best comparison video i have watched for a while. Had a good laugh out loud at a few moments. Thanks for preserving to upload. Editing seemed good. I would have happily watched it on tools and stuff but it's your channel to do with as you wish. I owned a makita with allen key first, had to cut slots in two heads to remove the blade after the allen key stripped out. Then went to hikoki which felt like an upgrade, blade change was fine once i got use to it and compared to the hex it was a dream! I did crack my finger with the level release once and once was enough! Just before I got the makita star lock came out i imported the flex and i love it. Pure star lock is a the best, smooth tool with by far the nicest fitting batteries. I purchase 19 packs of hardwood and carbide blades off Amazon and pay between $12 to $20 per blade. Wouldn't go back and given i am not on bosch and dont want to pay for fein or festool then there is no other multi i would want. Although given i have 6 m12 batteries and on 2 flex the m12 is tempting except for the blade change being spin. Have also tried makita starlock and it is a great tool
I like your relatable style of presentation. You speak my language.
Cheers man
I already knew that the Hikoki multitool wasn't great but hoooooooo boy
Love your take on auto modes! I totally agree! Lol
While I'm not a super big fan of the switch to Starlock, might be worth it for the performance. That increased osc. angle clearly helps.
I have the M12 Fuel and it’s really good. It’s WAY better than the non-Fuel M12 version, as well as the Bosch 12v, both of which I’ve owned. I have an older 18v Makita I bought used but haven’t used it on anything substantial. Judging on the newer Makita’s performance here, I’m not missing anything.
I'm on my 3rd M12 multi tool in a year and a half. First 2 needed to be warrantied for 2 different issues.
But it's still my favorite. Best size and power.
Original M12 is better for fine cutting.
M12 Fuel is better suited for fast cutting/demo/drywall.
Sir I agree with you completely. I got to use all but the new Makia .
It is a very good review actually. All the fiddly stuff you go through actually explains a lot of things about multitools, their use, attachments, etc.
I have all the 4 multitools ( only the 12V Milwaukee version). The Makita and the two Milwaukees are obviously better than the rest, they are all very new models. Shortly on the different models, my two cents:
- There are many, many Dewalt - style attachments on the market, all sorts( original and third party) and the fact that it does not take Starlock is not important. It is a very old and reliable model, there is a trigger lock button, it is quite light and the blade change speed is only second to a Starlock Max on a Fein or Bosch multitool. But it makes quite a nasty noise and vibrates a lot.
- The Hikoki one - not very fast indeed, but mine is very quiet, smooth and very low on vibration. I use it mostly for sanding on delicate places. But you have to make sure that you PRESS the bolt firmly down before you turn the ring and press the lever down - so the blade is firmly fixed to the tool and it does not make rattly noises when working. I suspect that this might be the issue in your case ( you mentioned something like this i believe on your first cut with it). Because mine actually runs almost as smooth as the new Makita and far smoother than all the other multitools that I have.
- The new Makita and two Milwaukees - simply better tools than the other two - both smooth and much more powerful.
❤ your review on this. Best (*see why @ bottom). The Makita ..52 is great when cutting lots. But Head is too big to see work and tough in corners where the Milwaukee M’s are awesome; fast and easy to see, better reach etc. Compared to Fein 500,700 or Festool. Milwaukee is best for speed & work area visibility, continuous use I will swap my Fein for the Makita & keep my M12 for the fast stuff.
Do you have access to Fein tools? Would love to see the OG brand for multi tools vs team yellow, green, blue and red!
You conveyed the pain of that review really well 😣 There's so many variables... and my conclusion is that the corded Ozito I found on the nature strip is good enough for now.
M12 fuel and the flex are my favorite. The Skil 12v is not bad also
I bought the m18 fuel because everyone agreed it had the most power. And that's true. However I've learned power isn't everything. These aren't exactly sawzalls used for demolition lol. Most of the time I'm trying to make a precise cut so I'm not going full throttle on it anyway. With that in mind I would give Makita the top prize given the better sound level, vibration, ergonomic handle and still level of power. I would accept Starlock blades only as a decent compromise, they aren't that hard to get. BTW I don't own any Makita tools lol. The Milwaukee blade change feels really slow compared to the competition. But being perfectly honest I'd probably go m12 if I was buying something because I'm invested in that platform as well. I was really surprised the m12 kept up with the competition!
Bro I had no idea that that makita multitool is a compact model in the US. Thanks bro!
Score the Concord Carpenter/tool box buzz style, put up the score cards at the end, and users can subtract the category or categories they disagree with! Perhaps until their tool wins! Happy subs! Love the content!
Edit: maybe you do and I just miss that part, in between mind wanders. Thanks again for the entertainment!
Thanks for getting the review out.
I don’t think you, as the tester, need to have a final opinion. We’re all biased depending on what we use the tool for, our patience for putting on new blades or our hand size.
👍🏼 cheers!
No one in life has the final opinion. 😀
@@LemonySnicket-EUC 😂..that’s funny.
I got the m18 in a kit and love it. I love the bros m12 it just runs out of battery to quick, if only they were able to make bigger batteries in that cylinder shape.
I know it's not a cylinder shape...but they make a 6.0 m12 battery...
I had makita dtm51. it was cool and all, but switched to m12 fuel model, difference is humongous. that was my best m12 tool buy. I tested dtm52 in showroom and it didn't feel like upgrade at all comparing to milwaukee. Probably I'll get one 40v when it would be released. But for lxt line if you want to get multitool it is awesome. And your battery will last much longer comparing to m12 model. About starlock system I can say that it is worthy one. Would be better if makita had a system like bosch speedclick. All my blades are Bosch made in switzerland, it is the best I can find in our market, lasts very long, goods geometry, low vibration.
Excellent reviews mate, throughly enjoy watching your content.
HiKOKI have now released the CV18DA(H4Z), would be great to see you review that one. I have the CV18DBL(H4Z), while the only problem I constantly have is when cutting metal the speed control spins back to slow speeds and unlocks the collar lock and drop the bolt and the blade through the heavy vibration, every time.
That model isn't available here yet but maybe I'll hunt it out one day. It has to be better than the first one!
I have tek Makita my Favorite Multitool fast cutting noise very gentle,no Vibration.Tool feels very well craftet. Eaven it looks big bot its so easy to handle beqause of this very very low Vibration
Thanks for the review, great work, you really hekp witg pros and cons of each, allowing the viewer to work out whats best. For me, im going with buying 2, one around £50 for the cheap blades and narrow head. And the the Makita is the second to get the best put of starlock and minimal vibration and seems the one which will last.
One thing to note is ive seen attachments to be able to add the cheap blades to the starlock. X
I did a review on my main channel of an adaptor ua-cam.com/video/uSFSVVjyiPI/v-deo.html And I'm filming another adaptor video today.
A good video with no bullshit and bias. You called it as you found it. Everybody has their likes and dislikes. No tool is going to satisfy everybody. Your video helped people decide and not by sales brochures. I have a Makita DM52 and haven’t used it much. I would like to get an adaptor to use standard blades in my Starlock system but they are no longer being made. Come on China, there’s an opportunity there!
Cheers!
ok I just watched the whole thing, it is a very good and detailed review, you could have published in on the main channel no problem imho. I am very disappointed with hikoki and somewhat with dewalt.
Also now I really want to see how 12v makita does vs 12v milwaukee :)
😂 informative and funny
Makita is the Golden middle!!!! Fast and precision.
I like the 12v dewalt and Milwaukee multi tools personally
Good job.Hopfully they'll slim down the next Makita multi. There a burning gap in my soul for the lefty 40v ripper with a track base 😬
Amen
another one i would have liked to see compared is the skil because it has lower vibration an is pretty darned cheap and has been highly praised. that would be great in a head to head against the milwaukies. both 20v and 12v versions of each brand
the other thing that would be great is if makita made a brand new multi tool that was considerably less bulky than its current ones. as makita lxt 18v is my preferred platform (for most things) have long wished they made a smaller multi tool
The Makita is is a model from only a couple of years - so they won't come with a new model any time soon. And in reality - it is quite light and handy and extremely quiet and low vibrating tool.
Corner of the net again sir, loved this one and the editing was really good, me being a makita man as you know even agrees with your findings,the rightful winner is red!!, im maybe a tad biased because my dtm52 is currently broken!,keep up the good work mucka 🤟🤟
Cheers Jon
The reason why the makita has a fat round head if you're doing A-line down a sheet rock wall it has the most control when you glide the round edge and follow your line it's by far ahead of its game
I own a very old Porter Cable oscillating tool and it has the best blade-changing design, just hold the spring-loaded switch change the blade then release. You can do it within 3-5 seconds when you're used to the system. I'm so surprised after 15 years nobody copied Porter Cable designs they actually make it worse.
Diablo is the blade we love in Merica👌
Owned by Bosch.
That hikoki still seems better than my dtm50
Anyone else see that the Milwaukee multitool looks like the Event Horizon?
I think it boils down to what blades you can get / want to use as much as anything. In USA you can go to most any hardware store and get the DeWalt compatible bits with the cutout, which have become the market standard. Star Lock, though compelling is only available at the orange themed big box store with much limited selection, and mail order, or the odd specialty woodworking shop, all with much higher cost than the more standard blades. Fine if you plan your purchases ahead of time, but you're screwed if you mess up / lose your blades / leave them behind and need to visit a store if you have a Bosch, Fein or Makita. For that reason, I bet Milwaukee and DeWalt combined sell a thousand to one for the other options.
Here in the states, the black one is the sub compact and the blue one is regular
They are both identical. It doesn't matter what colour you get. They just call it sub compact in the states because Americans fall for that rubbish.
@@voicelesstoolreviews lol that’s how they’re advertised …
A 2.0 or 3.0 is plenty on the m18 fuel and makes it much less wieldy lol.
Fein, there is no substitute .
Yea, Hikoki / Metabo HPT (USA) is my brand of choice based on Best Value. And the multi tool is the worst on their lineup. Hopefully they update this tool soon !
The best,, no 1 festool fein multitool
Thanks i was almost buying the hikoki after seeing this video i am sure i am not buying the hikoki
The new Hikoki is much better.
The flex starlock system blade change is the fastest
Fein is the best. Orange colour
Lol. It vibrates toooooo much. All DeWalt tools vibrate too much.😊 The multitool, the reciprocating saw and jigsaw are the worst vibrating out of all. Also the impacts have an orbit bigger than the sun.
Hikoki is releasing a new multi tool in October this year, so we'll definitely need a video on it because of how garbage the current one is.
If my makita dies or gets stolen I’m getting the m12. My father has it and it is the best you can buy. IMO
There is a pretty nice but a bit pricey adapter for the Makita to use standard ios blades from the Oslo Company.
I saw a video on it a couple of days ago and ordered one on the strength of it . However, as at 29/12/23, it would seem that they are ceasing producing it and there are only a few left . I am hoping that it will earn it’s keep by saving on expensive starlock fittings . Plus I have a load of other cutters that don’t fit my Makita .
Is the Makita brushless?? Trying to stick with brushless whenever possible now. Committed to the Makita 18v battery platform
Yes
The “BL” on the side of the tool is always a clue.
Oh my god, Eva will kill you.😳
But even at a hefty 55min.(!!!) a good to watch review. Deserves a place on your main channel.
Just throw the dewalt in the trash where they belong, just make sure it’s not on fire because so many of them like to catch on fire or at least smoke in so many tests I’ve seen.
There’s a load of bullshit and product pushers on UA-cam. We appreciate your efforts with your videos. Especially since you included both m18 and m12 since many people consider the m12 being better than the m18 from a user experience
I fu*king hate that pin on the milwaukee but this is the best multitool and I use that noisy thing almost every day , have to admit . Maybe not accurate at the start but when get used to it nothing is better than milwaukee , its really fast and saves a lot of time , doesn't matter what job you are on . I don't even use my hand saw anymore , too weak for that .
You say you are to weak to use a hand saw, but only weak people care about weight and comfort?
I missed this video, thx for your community post to bring me here, and I absolutely love it when you tease about "12V vs 18V not fair" comment lol, makes me grin thinking about the triggered people
The craftsman brushless and dewalt 12v are the best tye dewalt 12v beat the m12 and dewalt 20v
Once you go variable speed trigger you can't go back to switch
Not sure why the makita had to be that fat when most other multi's with decoupling didn't have to be. Might be the sound dampening? But you could just use that porous foam on the exhaust I would have thought 🤔 not sure. hats off to Makita usa for calling the largest multi on the market, subcompact though 😭😂
i like the dewalt,, i burn through them every 2 years,, funny but i like the trigger and lock mechanism and i just use the right blades,, more power and less vibrations and noise are whats needed when they upgrade but im more than happy with it for now
Red and Blue embarrassed the other two.
I admit I’m disappointed in so many missed opportunities to use the word “girth”
I wonder, why nobody includes fein in their review of multitools... But anyway thanks for your work)
They aren't easy to get if you're not in Europe I think.
I imagine it's because of the expense / proprietary battery. The pre-starlock one I used briefly some years ago (belonged to a carpenter) was one of the older corded models. It was very comfortable to use--little vibration, and cut quickly, but I think he said it cost around $700 at the time. Great if you use it all of the time, but for most people it's kind of a niche class of tool to start off with and hard to justify spending so much.
I agree as a multi cutter the Hikoki is average however, we converted one of ours over to the detail triangle sander and can't believe how much wood it removea-it outperforms.most of our dedicated detail sanders-the way it vibrates seems to jive the best as a sander not a cutter
at $79 it's a bargain for that application
Tools & Builds & Stuff Co. LTD has an intern?!
You betcha!
I have the m12 and it is an amazing tool. I have 2 complaints. 1 the speed control on mine has loosened up and from time to time it will change speeds on me. Whether I was unlucky and got a bad tool or if this is common. I don't know. 2 it chews through batteries. I had to get a 6ah because the 2ah it came with lasted maybe 15 min.
Mine was doing the same thing. They warrantied it for me. It's an internal electronic issue. Not the dial.
@@evictioncarpentry2628no, his dial is loose. I think he would know if his dial wasn’t moving and the tool was changing speeds. It’s not very cool to assume other ppl are stupid and you have all the answers. You should work on that. Have a wonderful day.
@YT money it's the tool, Milwaukee is known for bad products. They try to make things powerful without comfort long-term or reliability in hand. Makita could make a impact driver that could beat the m18 but they won't do it. The reason is ID have gotten so small now. More power would destroy what makita is known for. Good power, smooth and reliability.
I feel Ryobi beats almost all of these in power, comfort, vibration and performance, not to mention price. That said, if you got the money and are in the trades... THE RED TOOL wins
The older Hikoki’s you need to run at 4 or less on the speed otherwise the vibration is just too much. They fixed that in the newer versions and also in the new generation. But if you notice, you cut through crazy fast once you brought down the speed. But that’s just how OMT are, sometimes less is more when it comes to certain tools.
A multi tool comparison without Fein?
Buy it for me and I'll include it next time.
You may have figured it out by now, but I had that issue with a Makita once, turns out that you need to put downward force on the pin while locking the blade in place, otherwise the vibrations don't properly make it to the end of the blade, that might have been the issue. 🤷
Generally love the Metabo HPT line (hate that they changed the name from hikoki in the states), but that multi-tool is trash!!! It’s fat, it’s powerless and doesn’t cut anything. They need a redo (36v?) ASAP
M12 deff best
I run the makita platform for all my cordless tools except for the original and daddy of all oscillating tools , fein. Stick that into your test next time mate
I'm confused... Why did you cut the blade if you knew you could use the attachment the DeWalt came with?
Bosch is the best.
i mean the 12v had a 6ah battery so
So? So what? Do you think a 12v 6Ah has more energy density than all the other 18v 5Ah batteries used on the other tools?
How much did Milwaukee pay you?
No tool company has ever paid me anything. And none of the tools in this video were given to me either.
The Hikoki cost so much and is crab
The DeWalt one is honestly terrible.
In my humble opinion, the old style brushed makita was better. That super slim nose was great. And I personally don't rate oscillators on comfort. They're all a headache.
The keyless one or the one that requires a Allen key?
@@o0Henry0o The one with the allen key. But honestly, both of them have a slim enough nose to do the same jobs.
M12 fuel is the best hands down I have the Makita it's hard to find starlock you can get Diablo carbide blades for cheep and there everywhere and you say Makita has less vibration than Milwaukee lmao 😂 your a bit biased brother. How the Makita walked the Milwaukee stayed still minimal vibration 📳 you can't argue that cheers
Putting the tool upside down on a table to judge vibration is useless, which is why he said he reserved judgement until after he used them.
The Makita definitely puts less vibration into the user than the other models.
You’re so wrong dude I own both. He is not biased at all the makita feels almost completely vibration free. It’s insane. That and the noise alone puts it above the Milwaukee to me. I’m never cutting anything with a multi tool that I need all that power for though.
Just throw that green thing in the trash
First reviewer who's turned a positive into a negative 🙄 quick release wins 100%, you only need one tool, therefore only one type of blade required....
I'll take the Dewalt all day long
only weak people care about the weight and the comfort , you go for a job at the end of the day
What a big tough guy you must be, pity your winky is so small.
@@voicelesstoolreviewssmall but still hurts for some , if the tool witghts ten time more than the others and does the job better than the others , i'll go heavy weight , or you want to have some romantic time with my equipmnet (less fat and skinny ) ? I can't believe you wrote something like that on you own channel , but thumbs up , you put the smile on my face after annoying and hard long friday . I will even click the like button for that , which is very rare . Sad to say, pretty goood review though .
@tools & Stuff
This is my channel too.
Oh my god, Eva will kill you.😳
But even at a hefty 55min.(!!!) a good to watch review. Deserves a place on your main channel.