love your videos dude. Seriously you are not only helping the rogue community but just straight up entertaining to watch. I understand you wait for quality videos and not quantity but I look forward to more from you. I'd love to see what your views are on builds/gear for other popular DPS classes like hunter or warrior leading into next phase even though i'm a die hard rogue. Can't wait to catch a twitch stream too, had no idea you went live!
there is even more stupid things you can do with dig rat, that item is kinda crazy. warriors can hit it for rage, druids and warriors can charge towards it without killing it, probably more i dont even know
@@SimonizeShowA rogue used it to solo Patchwerk back in OG Wrath by shadowstepping to the rat onto a pipe above the boss to wait for evasion CD. There is a video of it on YT. Pretty degenerate stuff. 😂
I think the auto attack timing is still worth practicing, you will have to spend some time watching the timer at first but your muscle memory will learn the rythm quite quickly so i think a few days of practice doing a little worse will be worth it considering its something you will keep doing for a long time and better to do your training now than at 60
It's worth doing even with just Sword Spec and no WF. I used to do this in Classic as a Human and it just became muscle memory. Helps you be patient for pooling energy too.
As someone who also plays marksman hunter I really enjoy the windfury timing swing timer minmax. I just love the rhythm game type stuff. Same thing with Envenom here and in WOTLK-Assassination. I enjoy when the timing of your button presses can improve things a little bit.
Lmao well fuck I was so proud I remembered to put on my beast attack power cloak for Aku'Mai last raid and it actually lowered my dps. 😂 Cool video, thanks for the tips!
Off topic here but... I have heard you say that during the original release you decided that Cataclysm was garbage and never played retail again. What exactly didn't you like about it? I'm trying to figure out whether or not to continue playing after Wrath. Maybe this would make a good topic for a video? Thank you :)
Idk about the sinister strike weaving. Imagine you do that then your saber slash misses or gets parried and the bleed falls off. That'd be a major damage loss.
yeah thats another reason i don't do it, but people love to comment on my videos and sometimes even insult me saying im bad because i dont sinister/saber weave.
@@SimonizeShowthose people are probably the type that are green parsers because they're worried about dumb stuff like that and mess everything else up lol. The damage increase is so small that I don't mess with it either. Some people will try to gatekeep and try to be elitists about the weirdest stuff. Those people probably don't go outside much.
@@SimonizeShowI wouldn't worry about it. The top parsing rogue doesn't SS weave on every boss (he cast it 5 times across all bosses, once on Kelris and four times on Aku'Mai) and if the "best in the world" doesn't use it all the time, neither should middling players unless they really think they can pink parse it.
ok it seems like you aren't understanding whats happening. the benefit is not only "getting slice and dice up literally 1 second quicker", it is that AND being able to spend those combo points on something else to deal damage, and having to spend less energy during the fight on slice and dice, which again can be spent on something else to deal damage.
what is your opinion about using envenom with 2-3 combo when you see your stacks running out or if they just don't want to build up? also, envenom crits seem very high, is bleed beeing equal in dmg considered the crits? or can bleed crit too?
For windfury timing it's possible to make a WA that highlighs abilities for 0.8 sec when an auto gors off i think, it's not perfect but u don't rly need to pay attention anymore, not that much
I'm just curious, as the Deadly Brew rune adds AP to your poisons, wouldn't that mean that your Deadly Poison can also be snap-shot early on in the fights? I also wonder if you only have to snap-shot the first application or if you need to reach 3 and 5 stacks before the window closes?
Was the whistle removed from the loot table ? Because I went with a group last night in there, and although it took us 1hour to kill boss(trash respawns too fast, probably intended change by blizz), the boss died and gave us pepehands. Strategy I used? I specced into tank, and had 65% avoidance and tanked the boss. A hunter pet got one hyena, and another rogue tanked the 2 other hyenas. As soon as aggro was established on the 3 hyenas, we just focused down boss. Obviously this was so much easier back in the day when pets were the ultimate tanks and also did insane dmg with scorpid stings.
I was told by multiple people you can't go into SM anymore, I did not check myself. It sounds like maybe that was not correct if you were in there just yesterday.
do you think that we will want to keep leatherworking throughout SoD to get all of the BoE items? How viable do you think blacksmithing might be in the future?
im running improved snd and im wondering if 1-2 points snd on bosses that are dying fast or gelihast where i dont rly get full duration of snd is it worth it to use it? or should i stick with 5cp envenom? talking for baron aquanis, lady sarevess, gelihast
If you let your warrior buddy in on the dig rat they will love you too since it doesn’t cost anything to let them get the killing blow after using the gouge😅
Vanish removes movement impairing effects which is good for phase 2 of kelris, especially if you're using FAPs. Get chains, use FAP, vanish, immune to chains for the rest of the phase. I don't know how chains works exactly, but I assume when you vanish it's only removing it from you and not anybody else.
Is it worth it to put off saber slash until you have maximum AP? such as, opening with a sinister strike and waiting to gain battle shout from warriors before snapshotting saber slash
assuming its time to use envenom (slice still up, pulled energy, got 5 CPs) and i only have 3-4 deadly stacks : should i use envenom or wait for 5 deadly stack? (and by waiting going over 100 energy/using saber slash while having 5 CPs already)
It depends on the life of the boss id say. If he just about to die u think u dont have time to get energy and get last point to get full combos id use it. Otherwise Id wait.
@@Dgnine what about eviscerate? i thought that would be the move in this case (everything up&ready, only missing enough DP stacks)? afaik envenom is really only good with 5 stacks DP. it falls off pretty quickly with less than 5. in OPs scenario with 3 stacks of DP i definitely cast eviscerate instead. with 4 stacks i probably still cast envenom, bc buff, or i might wait for 1-2 more auto attacks.
nice tips, btw how worth is to use Envenom without using the Envenom buff towards the end of a fight? Is it better to just use Envenom at the last second, or a few seconds before and then 1-2 Saber Slashes but utilizing the Envenom Buff? Thanks
You can get a weak aura that tracks it. There are nameplate addons that track it as well, but I would suggest the weak aura. Some of the bosses nameplates are hard to see.
Lots of cool tips but I will say that timing your abilities in between your auto attacks is not very practical or easy when mechanics require more attention
question on envenom... the tooltip says the damage is based on number of poison stacks and only the duration of the poison application buff is based on the combo points... why not cast this with lower combo points any time you don't need points for slice and dice? You get to 5 stacks faster using this finish move and if you already have 5 stacks then it should be doing max damage right? based on the tooltip at least
@@SimonizeShow that section says damage per dose of poison I believe... not per combo point, but it does seem lower damage with less combo points. I think they should update the tooltip to better clarify.
Do you think the ap snapshot on saber slash makes orc significantly stronger than troll? I know it’s sod anything can happen, but if Sabre slash stays like that then I imagine a full uptime snapshot is a whole lot stronger than 10 seconds of haste, even at 60
Nahhhh. Minmaxing berserking timing will be farrrr better, especially at 60. Don’t forget blood fury is BASE ap… at 60 it’s kind of garbage. Gaining like 20 ap at 60 is nowhere near as good as minmaxing zerking for massive 20-30% haste gains. Especially when you factor in running deadly brew so you have poisons AND winfury. (More applications/procs)
This is both useful and pointless. Useful for maybe later phases. Useless cause of how ridiculously easy BFD is; can literally do BFD without a single buff or consumable. Regardless great video keep it up.
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Ok I watched it, can you delete this now so I can gatekeep BiS rogue DPS strats? Thanks bro
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love your videos dude. Seriously you are not only helping the rogue community but just straight up entertaining to watch. I understand you wait for quality videos and not quantity but I look forward to more from you. I'd love to see what your views are on builds/gear for other popular DPS classes like hunter or warrior leading into next phase even though i'm a die hard rogue. Can't wait to catch a twitch stream too, had no idea you went live!
Dig Rat advice is fantastic, knew everything else but i love to still learn new stuff. Subbed
Can this not be used to give yourself 40% crit buff on ambush etc in pvp?
In dungeons its better to spam backstab instead of saber slash right?
Most ridiculous one has to be the dig rat mechanic that is just too funny
there is even more stupid things you can do with dig rat, that item is kinda crazy. warriors can hit it for rage, druids and warriors can charge towards it without killing it, probably more i dont even know
@@SimonizeShowA rogue used it to solo Patchwerk back in OG Wrath by shadowstepping to the rat onto a pipe above the boss to wait for evasion CD. There is a video of it on YT. Pretty degenerate stuff. 😂
I think the auto attack timing is still worth practicing, you will have to spend some time watching the timer at first but your muscle memory will learn the rythm quite quickly so i think a few days of practice doing a little worse will be worth it considering its something you will keep doing for a long time and better to do your training now than at 60
It's worth doing even with just Sword Spec and no WF. I used to do this in Classic as a Human and it just became muscle memory. Helps you be patient for pooling energy too.
Just like lava jumping
Very high quality content. Thanks for all of the info!
mangle? what is that? :D
As someone who also plays marksman hunter I really enjoy the windfury timing swing timer minmax. I just love the rhythm game type stuff. Same thing with Envenom here and in WOTLK-Assassination. I enjoy when the timing of your button presses can improve things a little bit.
Lmao well fuck I was so proud I remembered to put on my beast attack power cloak for Aku'Mai last raid and it actually lowered my dps. 😂
Cool video, thanks for the tips!
Right now Gutripper MH Sacrificial Kris OF have become law for Bis Rogue. Where does Lifeforce Dirk lie in the chart?
So Rupture>Envenom if you always have a feral and you don’t have 5 deadly poison yet?? Damn I’ve been fucking up!
Off topic here but... I have heard you say that during the original release you decided that Cataclysm was garbage and never played retail again. What exactly didn't you like about it? I'm trying to figure out whether or not to continue playing after Wrath. Maybe this would make a good topic for a video? Thank you :)
Idk about the sinister strike weaving.
Imagine you do that then your saber slash misses or gets parried and the bleed falls off. That'd be a major damage loss.
yeah thats another reason i don't do it, but people love to comment on my videos and sometimes even insult me saying im bad because i dont sinister/saber weave.
@@SimonizeShowthose people are probably the type that are green parsers because they're worried about dumb stuff like that and mess everything else up lol. The damage increase is so small that I don't mess with it either.
Some people will try to gatekeep and try to be elitists about the weirdest stuff. Those people probably don't go outside much.
@user-sm9mb6ms5j lol. Parsing in bfd. 60% of everyone's damage is auto attacks you clown. No one cares
@@SimonizeShowI wouldn't worry about it. The top parsing rogue doesn't SS weave on every boss (he cast it 5 times across all bosses, once on Kelris and four times on Aku'Mai) and if the "best in the world" doesn't use it all the time, neither should middling players unless they really think they can pink parse it.
imagine farming these single use iteems just to increase ur dps by pretty much nothing.
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This is so typical rogue behavior... Great video bro ❤
9:15 is just ridiculous, you're going out of your way to get a slice and dice up literally 1 second quicker. U ain't parsing off that alone.
ok it seems like you aren't understanding whats happening. the benefit is not only "getting slice and dice up literally 1 second quicker", it is that AND being able to spend those combo points on something else to deal damage, and having to spend less energy during the fight on slice and dice, which again can be spent on something else to deal damage.
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what is your opinion about using envenom with 2-3 combo when you see your stacks running out or if they just don't want to build up? also, envenom crits seem very high, is bleed beeing equal in dmg considered the crits? or can bleed crit too?
For windfury timing it's possible to make a WA that highlighs abilities for 0.8 sec when an auto gors off i think, it's not perfect but u don't rly need to pay attention anymore, not that much
Is sod such a thing ?
I'm just curious, as the Deadly Brew rune adds AP to your poisons, wouldn't that mean that your Deadly Poison can also be snap-shot early on in the fights? I also wonder if you only have to snap-shot the first application or if you need to reach 3 and 5 stacks before the window closes?
Awesome, good tips, can you tell me what addons are you using? thanks in advance! and merry Xmas!
can anyone confirm that you cannot enter SM anymore? talking strictly about library where houndmaster boss is
You forgot to make anime noises when you press abilities. 5-10dps
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your discord link is expired and no one knows where to get the WA you use can you like idk address this?
i assure you it is not expired
i suggest reading the video description
Can you use pet commands such as /Petdefensive or /Petpassive on summoned pets?
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The mechanical greench you can get from greatfather winter slaps pretty hard as well.
Our parse lord greench is unhappy not being mentioned....
9:00 the smile when you say this is so funny, you're dedicated to play rogue 😂
Any chance of showing the vanish invul in a video, tried to see an example of it and I’m having a hard time finding anything on it
Am I still using raptor bane on turtle after I have 2 piece set bonus?
For someone who doesn’t play rogue I still really enjoyed this video
Good video pardner. It's nice to see SoD videos that aren't just reading from a wowhead article.
So grateful for you videos thanks man!
Can you please please please make a video on ur ui. Your nameplates and weak auras
Which UI are you using?
all addons and weakauras are on discord, like it says in the video description
The real questions is what’s he hiding under all these hats?
Was the whistle removed from the loot table ? Because I went with a group last night in there, and although it took us 1hour to kill boss(trash respawns too fast, probably intended change by blizz), the boss died and gave us pepehands.
Strategy I used? I specced into tank, and had 65% avoidance and tanked the boss. A hunter pet got one hyena, and another rogue tanked the 2 other hyenas. As soon as aggro was established on the 3 hyenas, we just focused down boss.
Obviously this was so much easier back in the day when pets were the ultimate tanks and also did insane dmg with scorpid stings.
I was told by multiple people you can't go into SM anymore, I did not check myself. It sounds like maybe that was not correct if you were in there just yesterday.
Is mutilate viable? 30 energy per combo point plus double strike with buff vs poisoned targets seems really strong but everyone’s running saber slash.
saber slash bleed is just too good
As a rogue, what would you take? +10 attack power vs +3 agility, +3 stamina, and +1% melee hit rate
almost always hit unless youre hit capped, maybe even then
Thank you. This was really helpful.
do you think that we will want to keep leatherworking throughout SoD to get all of the BoE items? How viable do you think blacksmithing might be in the future?
I do. I'm thinking we'll get a piece every phase
im running improved snd and im wondering if 1-2 points snd on bosses that are dying fast or gelihast where i dont rly get full duration of snd is it worth it to use it? or should i stick with 5cp envenom? talking for baron aquanis, lady sarevess, gelihast
yeah, lower point SND are ok - the main thing is make sure you are attacking and benefiting from the full duration of the SND you use
If you let your warrior buddy in on the dig rat they will love you too since it doesn’t cost anything to let them get the killing blow after using the gouge😅
yep!
What’s the addon or WA you use for your Energy bar, combo points, and timers?
all ui elements are on discord. linked in description
Is the dig rat 1 time use?
yes, but you can very rarely loot another dig rat off of the corpse of the one you spawned and killed
Vanish removes movement impairing effects which is good for phase 2 of kelris, especially if you're using FAPs. Get chains, use FAP, vanish, immune to chains for the rest of the phase. I don't know how chains works exactly, but I assume when you vanish it's only removing it from you and not anybody else.
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Is it worth it to put off saber slash until you have maximum AP? such as, opening with a sinister strike and waiting to gain battle shout from warriors before snapshotting saber slash
No. Get your bleed stacks asap
Damn bro, that's some sweat!
Can you share your weakaura for combo points and debuffs
all addons and weakauras are on discord, like it says in the video description
Jesus rogues are boring to play okay I’ve decided I’m done mainland rouges
assuming its time to use envenom (slice still up, pulled energy, got 5 CPs) and i only have 3-4 deadly stacks : should i use envenom or wait for 5 deadly stack? (and by waiting going over 100 energy/using saber slash while having 5 CPs already)
It depends on the life of the boss id say. If he just about to die u think u dont have time to get energy and get last point to get full combos id use it. Otherwise Id wait.
@@Dgnine what about eviscerate? i thought that would be the move in this case (everything up&ready, only missing enough DP stacks)? afaik envenom is really only good with 5 stacks DP. it falls off pretty quickly with less than 5. in OPs scenario with 3 stacks of DP i definitely cast eviscerate instead. with 4 stacks i probably still cast envenom, bc buff, or i might wait for 1-2 more auto attacks.
good video. had no idea about the dig rat and i've been playing for years.
youre the fucking goat
nice tips, btw how worth is to use Envenom without using the Envenom buff towards the end of a fight? Is it better to just use Envenom at the last second, or a few seconds before and then 1-2 Saber Slashes but utilizing the Envenom Buff? Thanks
Yeah envenom is mostly about the upfront damage, its definitely your best move in the final 2-3 seconds of a boss fight
How do you know when you have full stack of Deadly Poison? Is there a more obvious way than looking at their avatar?
You can get a weak aura that tracks it. There are nameplate addons that track it as well, but I would suggest the weak aura. Some of the bosses nameplates are hard to see.
@@Bravery469 oh sweet! Do you have one you recommend?
if i had to choose which one is the most try hard thing, it is dig rat :D
easily dig rat.
pointless min maxing
so nerdy, i love it
Lots of cool tips but I will say that timing your abilities in between your auto attacks is not very practical or easy when mechanics require more attention
@@BobbySagman Parsing in Classic WoW is probably the silliest thing I’ve ever seen.
thank you again for a great guide👍
Fantastic content man
Thanks for making these vids man
Man it's rough to kill someone's boggling root mobs
hey man i do it pvp flagged they can fight me for them if they want to
question on envenom... the tooltip says the damage is based on number of poison stacks and only the duration of the poison application buff is based on the combo points... why not cast this with lower combo points any time you don't need points for slice and dice? You get to 5 stacks faster using this finish move and if you already have 5 stacks then it should be doing max damage right? based on the tooltip at least
the tooltip shows higher damage for more combo points when you look at the section that says what it does for each combo point
@@SimonizeShow that section says damage per dose of poison I believe... not per combo point, but it does seem lower damage with less combo points. I think they should update the tooltip to better clarify.
@@SomeGuyFromUtah there's a line in the tooltip that says it activates one dose per combo point
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Do you think the ap snapshot on saber slash makes orc significantly stronger than troll?
I know it’s sod anything can happen, but if Sabre slash stays like that then I imagine a full uptime snapshot is a whole lot stronger than 10 seconds of haste, even at 60
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Nahhhh. Minmaxing berserking timing will be farrrr better, especially at 60. Don’t forget blood fury is BASE ap… at 60 it’s kind of garbage. Gaining like 20 ap at 60 is nowhere near as good as minmaxing zerking for massive 20-30% haste gains. Especially when you factor in running deadly brew so you have poisons AND winfury. (More applications/procs)
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This is both useful and pointless. Useful for maybe later phases. Useless cause of how ridiculously easy BFD is; can literally do BFD without a single buff or consumable. Regardless great video keep it up.
Outlaw sabre MH or the Sword from BFD that procs shadow damage ? Which one is better ?
Bro...
LOL! This is just satire, right? 😅
I'd put money this is the DPS that always pull less than 50 fps per boss in my raids
no, some people actually comment on my other videos insulting me because they witnessed me NOT doing some of the things in this video
Fuck sod
This killed the game and isn’t a long term experience
its ok you can just let other people play the game the way they want to, and you can play the game the way you want to.
This is gonna sound absolutely insane, but there’s this Strat you can use for this… it’s called not playing it.
I know, fucking bonkers.
your discord invite link has expired mate!
Ty very much for the vid!
I assure you the discord link is not expired. I just used it to join the server on an alt account.