Walnut Trees in a Food Forest What I learned
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- In this video, I discuss why I've made the decision to move the walnut trees out of the 1st food forest and into another part of the property where I can study their effects on other food forest plants and soil organisms.
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I'm watching your video 4 yrs after you posted it and found the info to be of very great value. I bought a 2 acre property LOADED with established black walnut trees. Your scientific background is so helpful in sorting out the wild claims of "click baiters" THNK YOU
Kevin, great informative video.
Here is my experience.
I inherited my family home stead located in southern Maryland.
My grand parents planted Walnut Trees in the back yard. They were supposed to be from England???.
They were probably. 100 years old at this time. I planted 3 or 4 Hemlock trees around this area. Within 5 to 6 years they were all dead. Under the walnut tres I tried to plant annuals and they also didn’t do well.
The property was sold and the trees removed.
Just thought I would pass this along to you.
Again thank you.
Bob Wallace
This video was way more informative and thorough than I could have predicted when I clicked.
Your living my dream, great work , thanks for the video and information, this is the way God intended us to live. Bless you
Thank you so much for your kind words, Gabriel. We're grateful for the opportunity to live this way and to share our journey with others. It's truly a blessing, and we're glad you find the videos and information helpful. Blessings to you as well!
Nice timing on the video. I just started doing some research on planting black walnut last night. I have an area in my garden where I'm doing back to Eden with woodchips and got a big load of chips with black walnut in it. This summer I had 20 seedlings start so I'm trying to figure out the best place to put them. I'm currently planning on close to my driveway where they will have minimal interaction with other plants. Thanks for the video.
Love listening to you. I learned so much. Starting my own food forest in my little neck of the woods in Idaho.
Thank you so much for the lovely comment!
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Power packed video, much to digest/gleen.
2(n=2) experiences with Black Walnut..
1 being 3 established walnuts ~50' in height which rendered the soil "dead from the canopy/dripline in"and also made ~ a 10' radius out side of that toxic to everything sans a few grasses and shrubs.
#2 planted 5 Walnuts ~75' outside a creek bottom which contained hickory and a few elm, within 5 years you could see their affect on the native undergrowth(berries,mosses and plants) stunting, and a general souring of the soil. They were moved onto an area which had ponderosa pines clearcut. The 3rd. year both the Walnuts and where they were moved from recovered.
They don't play nice and seem to saturate the soil with juglone over time. Best to you and yours
Reminded me.. it is illegal to use Walnut as a means to harvest Fish. This is 1st known clean link/article I came across which makes reference.
www.museum.state.il.us/muslink/forest/htmls/trees/J-nigra.html
I really appreciated this. I like the detailed information a lot! Thank you!
How has everything done since you moved the walnuts? Were there lasting effects in the food forest as the roots were dying? How did the walnut trees do after the transplant?
Great question I have made a couple of updates over the last couple of years of the areas where the walnut trees were and the transplanted walnut trees. So unfortunately the English walnuts did not survive however the black walnuts survived their transplanting. The drought was pretty severe that year and I did not water the plants as I should have. As far as the trees surrounding the area where the walnut trees were removed from they have been doing very well. I don't believe there was any significant residual effect as a result of the roots or materials left in the soil. Great question thanks for asking!
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❤️that walnut tree info was so interesting.
Great video. So much useful info. Thanks
Tremendous amount of work I wouldn't care to replicate, good video and food for thought. Had to mute the music during the planting. Paw paw, Hackberry and currants can be found naturally with walnuts.
Very interesting video thank you so much for the information I'm planting a deer food plot to hunt over I plan to plant peas oats and clover and turn UPS do you think this will grow near my black walnut trees
Did you plant the peas oats and clover ?
Great video. I found it very interesting. Question, the trees that you transplanted did they live/ survive?.
I was wondering as you didn’t take much of a root ball with them.
Again thank you.
Hello Kevin. It has been two years since you have moved the walnuts and planted non walnut trees in their old places. How are the new trees growing? Anything grabbed your attention. Best Regards and greetings from Turkey.
Hi Etem , The trees that were planted after the walnut trees were removed from the first food forest are all doing very well. Hopefully next season I'll try and record some video of that area to show the trees that are in that location. There are apple trees, pawpaws, a peach tree and I forget what else is also planted there. They all seem to be doing fairly well. The next year we had a severe drought and the walnut trees didn't do as well after being relocated to a new location. My largest walnut tree died. However one of the things that I should have done when transplanting each one of these trees was to incorporate mycorrhizal fungi spores next to the root surfaces so to help them get reassembled. Hopefully I've learned my lesson! Thanks so much for your question and I hope all things are going well in Turkey! Have a great day!
I’ve had four walnut trees. They still have three quite large ones and I have difficulty growing flowers anywhere near them. Do you know of any kind of flowers that are able to survive next to Walnut tree
Hi @joeanjaco554,
I totally understand the struggle of trying to grow flowers near walnut trees due to the juglone they produce. Luckily, there are several flowers that are juglone-tolerant and can thrive under or near walnut trees. Here are a few you might consider:
Bee Balm (Monarda didyma)
Daylilies (Hemerocallis spp.)
Hosta (Hosta spp.)
Wild Geranium (Geranium maculatum)
Lamb’s Ear (Stachys byzantina)
Coral Bells (Heuchera spp.)
Columbine (Aquilegia canadensis)
Virginia Bluebells (Mertensia virginica)
Bugleweed (Ajuga reptans)
Ferns (Various species)
Lenten Rose (Helleborus orientalis)
Foamflower (Tiarella cordifolia)
Solomon’s Seal (Polygonatum biflorum)
Trillium (Trillium spp.)
Jacob's Ladder (Polemonium caeruleum)
I hope this helps, and good luck with your garden! If you have any more questions or need further advice, feel free to ask. Happy gardening! 🌸🌿
Best,
Kevin
Kevin, learnt a bunch from this video. Q: do u have experience tree tubing walnuts. Seedlings? I’ve planted ~30 acres in walnuts (black and English) and chestnuts. The walnuts are 5 varieties some do well in tubes some don’t. Tubes are there for vole and deer protection.
Nick
We use tree tubes for most of the trees we plant.
Hey Kevin! Do you have an update video?
Thank you so much very helpful video
Just started watching
I wish I could point you to the video that I did updates on over time. Often there videos on walks in the food forest. Then I cover and update on the trees. However, I did make a video which I can't remember the title to where I did review how the trees were doing. One year later. The walnuts did fairly well. However, the second year after they were transplanted the drought was so severe. Then I believe that's the cause of their decline. Now two of the larger English walnuts have died. All of the black walnut trees have done well with their transplants. However, I lost two of my large English walnut trees. I should have used mycorrhizal fungi when transplanting them. I'm almost certain that that would have made a big difference as they help to aid the roots for transport of nutrients and water.
Good observations. Does the same problem occur with sweet chestnut trees or are they not related? I just planted 3 of them in my 2nd food forest with herbs and berries underneath them.
Thanks for the interesting videos. I subscribed to your channel today. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
All species of the walnut family (Juglandaceae) produce juglone. This includes: Andean Walnut (Juglans neotropica), Arizona Black Walnut (Juglans major), Black Walnut (Juglans nigra), Butternut (Juglans cenerea), Brazilian Walnut (Juglans Australis), English Walnut (Juglans regia), Northern California Black Walnut (Juglans hindsii), Japanese Walnut (Juglans ailantifolia), Manchurian Walnut (Juglans mandshurica), Little Walnut (Juglans microcarpa), also the hickory (shellbark, or kingnut (Carya laciniosa), the shagbark (Carya ovata) and Southern shagbark (Carya carolinae-septentrionalis)) and pecan produce juglone. The concentration of juglone is reportedly highest in black walnuts.
I do not believe the Sweet chestnut (Castanea sativa) produces juglone.
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When you say apples do you mean all varieties ? Granny Smith as well ?
High Theodore, thanks for the question. The short answer is I don't actually know because I'm not growing all varieties of apple trees and I don't have experience with all varieties of various root stocks. That would take up an enormous amount of acreage. However I would be suspicious that all apple trees are susceptible to some extent. Having said that there are two variables that need to be considered. The first is the possibility that new cultivars are developing that are tolerant to higher concentrations of this cytotoxic chemical. And the second variable is the relative concentration due to the hulls and leaves that are present and exuding this chemical agent. Another variable is severe weather events creating stress on the trees in your food force. For example this year we have an extreme drought which certainly stresses the plants and is a result it may take a much smaller quantity of the cytotoxic chemicals to have a negative or detrimental effect on the apple trees. so I don't know for certain however I suspect given enough time that root stocks will eventually develop that will be less susceptible to the cider toxin. I have noticed that some of the flowering crabapple trees can do fairly well under walnut trees. Thanks for the question I hope this helps. Have an awesome day!
Kevin Wallace thanks what kind of apples do you grow there ??
I've got to do a census however I believe between 40 and 50 different varieties.
I heard the soil still keeps its toxicitity for quite a few years
The toxic effect of the juglone can be degraded in 2 to 4 weeks. In soil, breakdown may take up to two months. Composting of bark for a minimum of 6 months can provide a safe mulch, even for plants sensitive to juglone.
www.washtenawcd.org/uploads/5/9/2/0/59207889/black_walnut_toxicity-website.pdf