Solo Discussion: "Lingus" - Cory Henry - Peter Martin & Adam Maness | You'll Hear It S3E23
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2019
- For this week's Solo Discussion, Peter and Adam answer a popular listener request and cover Cory Henry's solo on "Lingus." To check out the video of Snarky Puppy's performance, go here: • Snarky Puppy - Lingus ...
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For me, the horns are the somewhat underrated heroes on this track...they are SO tight and in unison...especially right after Cory's solo.
It always amazes me how tight they come in right after the solo
Nope they aren't underrated at all. The horn section is the heart of this tune.
It's absolutely uncanny how tight they are right from the jump. That heavy drag, but *locked together*? My GOD.
I absolutely love the trumpet drag in this song which is very unique. Theyre playing that repeating line like a 64th note off from each other to get that amazing drag, then perfectly back to the much more style theyre known for
I Agree🔥
The more I listen to this tune, the more I realize that Larnell Lewis is the mvp. Cory is INCREDIBLE, but Larnell is doing amazing things from start to finish. Damn.
Lewis adds a special touch to every Snarky track he plays on.
I couldn't possibly count how many a time I've listened to this tune, and every time I enjoy Larnell all the more.
What a beast.
Imagine having 2 hours to learn just about every song they played in We Like It Here. That’s what LL had to do.
He learned the entire thing in about 2 hours, last min sub, and 1 rehearsal!
This is exactly what I was going to say. I've no idea how many of these 22M views are mine but at 1st Larnell was just another part of a great band but by my millionth view Mr. Lewis really is keeping Cory Henry honest and they are pushing each other to new heights. Brilliant.
Also, Michael League deserves major shout-outs as the composer of Lingus, bandleader of Snarky Puppy, and accompanist of Cory Henry on this solo. :-)
I think the coolest thing about this solo that amazes me every time I watch it is the trance state that Cory seems to be in for most of it. When the solo starts, you can see his face change and he really gets into it, clears his head and seems to enter a different state of mind. Near the end of the solo you can see a distinct moment where he snaps out of it. He opens his eyes and gets this massive, cheesy, open-mouth smile. I love it so much.
Synergy Simpatico! I described this solo almost word for word to some of my Jazz friends!
Yes the solo is great but that tune from start to finish is just killer-groove, tones, melody, interplay
“Bass players like: whats gonna happen?” he knew everything that was about to go down lmao
It's more like League is waiting eagerly what's gonna happen because he laid the ground for Cory to solo and knows where he can take the song!
Remember Cory Henry is super comfortable with improv, he grew up playing gospel since he was a child and most of what they do is improv
Yes....following a preacher is the ultimate improv....
you can see a video of him playing organ before he could count and still had the same mannerisms and serious chops
He has been playing that 2 hand and foot independence on a Hammond B3 since he was 3 years old. He is a freak of nature.
Cory Henry's choral progressions is what makes this solo so beautiful
This was fascinating! I can't get enough of Snarky Puppy!
In earlier Snarky Puppy tunes that feature both Cory and Shawn Martin, Shawn was seen urging Cory to “take your time.... take your time”.
Lingus feels like the culmination of those previous collaborations, where Cory is saying “look, I took my time man!”
It’s an unrepeatable piece of work. 🙏🏻
The same guy playing the two instruments means he was creating and reinforcing his own counterpoints. Strictly speaking, it wasn't a solo, he had the role of two instrumentalists playing off each other, creating harmony and polyrhythms, confirming and resolving the other hand, so that it was instantly a whole idea. It had the vibe of two soloists in sync. The slow section at the start was a portent of what was to come, elements of that languid sequence would be repeated later, that passage preparing us for its later recognition. That solo was a like a movie, the way scenes are organized to prepare you for the next transformative moment.
Not to take anything away from Cory Henry, as he is a musician of the highest order and his solo was absolutely killer, but I think It is important to point out that Cory Henry, and indeed all of us, owe a great debt of gratitude to Chick Corea. Much of Mr. Henry's solo comes directly from Chick's style and work in Return to Forever, done some 40 years ago. Chick Corea's invention and influence continues to be an inspiration to us all. Credit where it is due.
David Benus BIG FACTS
Hr often point out that his playing style is heavily influenced by Chick
can't reinvent the wheel
heeeeey. Chick had influences too. I agree though
I agree with the style, but there is a timbre to Cory's solo that no Corea solos ever had. If people could point into a direction where I could maybe like Chick Corea more that would be great, he never clicked with me
7:35 Hmm! Sounds... Space...... Blues...
The drummer doesn't get enough love for this lol.
I'd like to add.. I would LOVE as I'm sure a lot of people would, for Peter or Adam to do performance of their improv over the ostinato. And then maybe a lesson on the possibilities. That would make my year to be honest haha x
This solo right here!!! 🔥🔥🔥 Listening and studying Cory has changed my sound big time.
Giant steps on the profanity... I'm dead
Thought that's what that was...all those memes I watched are finally paying off!!!
6:50 He just said "the" bass player😂😂
I had the same reaction 😂 poor michael
He needs to be called "Maestro League" or "Big Mike"
That's like mistaking Andrew Gouche as "the bass player" :D
@@Markipelago Should have said Marcus Miller or Victor Wooten because I don't know who this guy Andrew is 😂 (After a quick googling, now I do)
@@gil-evens Like League, Gouche is not just a great player but also an arranger and band leader at times as well. Amazing gospel player too. And he's played with Wooten before :)
So the opening notes of the solo happen to quote "The Nearness of You" and starting on the 4th beat of the 3rd measure is a lovely re-harmonization for "I Loves You Porgy" I'm stealing it, LOL!
Guys used giant steps for a censor? Well done sirs
The Giant Steps bleep kinda made my day.
Having seen the score for this tune (and arranged it), as it is available for purchase, The groove is actually just a series of bass notes. There are no major or minor chords from the rhythm section. Whatever major/minor chords you hear are the results of whatever Cory Henry is playing, and not specified by the composer, Michael League. There is even a footnote in the score that specifies this. He wanted to leave freedom for the soloist to imply the major/minor aspects of the harmony themselves.
And since you’ve brought up the topic of invented terminology (groove flow), I’ll throw in one of my own to describe with you call a triplet 4:3: a quadruplet!
precisely. the song floats between 2 keys not true kept key if you will
Those are Audio Technica headphones btw. Not beats. Just saying.
For some reason I’ve never expected you’d talk about contemporay, fusion-y stuff. This is a great solo I’ve been listening over and over. Thank you PM and AM for this solo analysis!
Thank you gentlemen !
That was an awesome breakdown!
Flow Groove!
🙏🏼✨
I love how the blip is the beginning of Giant Steps😅
Jacob collier has a video called "musician explains a concept in 5 levels of difficulty" where he's basically just talking about harmony. When he's talking to the "professional pianist" (they didnt give his name for some odd reason) he explains that every single note in the chromatic scale works over every single bass note in the chromatic scale if you just add in the "right" harmony. In the beginning of this solo cory is improvising over and E, C, A, and F bass pedal. Over each of those pedal tones you can literally play any chord quality related to the root since theres no other harmony or even modal interchange progressions. For example on the E, you can play a progression in E dorian, then E phrygian, then E lydian, or E harmonic minor, soooo many possibilites. You can even throw secondary dominants in there and subVs and countless other harmonic concepts. He was basically given a nearly blank canvas and asked to paint whatever the hell epic godly picture he wants and that he did
That "professional pianist" was Herbie Hancock.
Parker Peterson i think he was referring to the pianist shown prior to Herbie
Yeah lol they introduce herbie with his name, he's the 5th level. I'm talking about the level 4 dude that they never named.
My favorite lick of the solo is at 7:49 in this video. Since the only note is C, Corey can basically play anything over it and he goes for a blues-y C “altered” flavor with a Bb and a Db. One of the many ‘stank face’ moments for me. What a great choice for a solo vamp. Corey killed it with that much freedom.
The video that started my Open Studios journey oh so many years ago
Wow!!! I wasnt expecting this to be anaylsed. Incredible episode guys. I love those nasty chords he plays #maximumtension
The Giant Censored moment had me laughing out loud so fricking hard!
I went for Larnell, watched it ten times, learned a new keyboardist…..wasn’t disappointed
Oh this exists too.
This is the best channel in the world..
Good to have such videos. I was hoping you dig deeper and truly analyse what he's doing
It would be more awesome if you two would also have keyboards, to spice it up a little and give support on the analysis you give
They do that sometimes... obviously not a hard-core fan like me 🤣
Yeah check the more recent episodes! It gets better and better 😈
Snarky Puppy is my happy place.
Obviously we need to analyze the tenor battle between Sonny Rollins and Sonny Stitt on “Sonny Side Up”!
I wish I was enough versed with music theroy and music actually to undestand all this episode. I LOVE Lingus by Snaky puppy since 2018 but just now tried to undestand whats going on in this beatifull track
Check out some of the alternate takes! So good!
Santana. Weather Report. Stevie Wonder. Chicago. Blood Sweat & Tears. What a blissful experience listening to 'Lingus' is.
Great video thanks! Would love to see a solo analysis of Joe Armon-Jones solo on Brownswood Basement x Lot Radio
"Harmonically I think he's going off on shapes he's hearing". Somebody call David Bruce
I bet if you asked Cory what he is doing he would say....using the keyboard to project my feelings at the time. It's the Emotion man!!
new favorite guy cause he used the word dope
I truly love UA-cam's recommendations.
Reminded me of chick Corea Electric Band, using modulation with the ep.
"Great analysis!"
How about an analysis of Rob Hardy’s sax solo on the tune Morning which appears on s Poncho Sanchez Live in Hollywood album? Soooooo good.
Check out the Snarky Puppy with Chris Potter version ( sax solo instead)
You should analyze a Jacob Collier solo.
FranTheMusicLegend please check your spelling...
@@yodarocks11 :)
Nah, he overdoes stuff with loops and overdubs and needs to learn proper singing technique.
@@Marunius What I found about Jacob Collier is that he has incorrect technique for a lot of the instruments he plays (bass, drums, vocals), but he's damn good at all of em.
@@Bluejay-ri1yf so true
He is playing mainly harmonized tritones in the first section
I love this concept, literally "armchair commentary" on music improvisation. It would be great to take this commentary and re-record it with sports guy VO, faster and more intense and make it like commentary on the super bowl, lol. I have never seen anything like this, where 2 guys sitting deconstruct a piece of improvisation and talk it down like 2 guys watching Tiger Woods set up a 5 par drive? Good job gentlemen. BTW my favorite comments, "umnn sound.....space..." PS what makes this solo interesting to me is that it has become a meme or a well known melodic construct to musicians and people who love improvisation, like Tran'e solo or Miles's opening phrases on So What. That a fantastic solo has such compositional strength and emotional resonance that it self propagates as a cultural meme.
how do these guys resist the urge to sing along ? haha
You could've react to the rest of the solos, that he alternates with the rest of the band
Woahhhhh
@@pianopeter Hey Peter! This is an awesome review. I'm looking to start something similar where I analyze songs and solos, maybe play a demo myself on piano, but was wondering if you have to pay a PRO or copyright owner for rights to use in your YT video or podcast, or if this falls under Fair Use.
8:42
I can help you guys out. In a way the chords at the beginning are being somewhat overthought. These are warmup chords. Cory Henry is an organist from the Pentecostal denomination. Traditionally organists warm up before they go into a song. The warming up is usually very free having nothing to do with meter. Oftentimes before accompanying a singer they may not know the key so they have to somehow find it which involves moving around harmonically until they find it. What he's playing may seem special to many that haven't spent time in the African American church services but to those who are familiar, what he's doing is an adaptation of what is commonly played by church organists as they are warming up. As I mentioned before warming up is very free. He's practically ignoring the band although he's totally aware of where they are, where he is and where he is going.
For the life of me...I can't think of what it is...and I haven't seen anyone else mention this...but there is an underlying melody in this solo. It's the climax/conclusion song of the end of some really popular, 80's video game...the line you hear in this video, very prevalent at the 9:30 - 9:50 - ish mark... It's just at the corner of my memory...and it could be a combination of a couple of things...but it's all ending music to video games I used to play when I was a kid...and the popular calliope, circus melody is in there as well ..but definitely the video game thing... I don't remember if it's Mario...or earlier...like Galaga..or something...but it's in there.
...and maybe a bit of Star Wars?
When people talk about FLOW state. Theideas just flowing through them. The game slowing down. They mean this.
I'm hearing traces of Stevie Wonder "Songs in the Key of Life"
What about the rest of the solo ?
Lol 7:34:
Mm.
Sounds.
Space.
...blues.
13:50 😂😂😂
Chick Corea + George Duke = this solo.
Ha ha yeah I hear ya. George could infuse gospel inflection into his improv like no one else.
Brandon Williams Do you have any specific examples of George Duke’s playing that are similar to this? I have to admit I haven’t checked out his playing a lot.
@@crono303 George's approach would be different then what you hear in this - but Corey seems to embody some Chick-esque & George-esque like melodic approaches. I even hear some Herbie influence there too. I'm certain Corey's been listing to those guys for sure. But for George check out his Diamonds or No Rhyme or Reason CDs. But there's literally tons of examples.
@@spynnmail Thank you so much! I'm gonna check those out.
When I heard this solo for the first time, I immediately thought of Return To Forever. So, I'm with you on that. By the way, George Duke is my all time favorite go to when I want to be happy!
11:42
Ding ding ding ding
I wonder if someone could isolate the keys without the bass and drums because either a head fk with that going under the keys. As such I can't figure out what Corey's rhythm actually is
Comienza con pentatonica de E a mi parecer
so 7mins in people 👍
9:48 Pretty sure he laughed at Shaun Martin in disbelief
Points at him yeah😂
I mean most soloist I talked to just say that theory is not in mind. Its just there but u dont think about it.
Lol the solo wasn’t over
Almost Chick Corea/Return To Forever keys don't you think
- this is just banter
Synthesia some musicians have . They are the music ,not just making it . Joe Cocker , Stevie Ray Vaughn, etc.
Come on guys, you should have included the trading part as well.
It would be so cool if you could analyze Joey DeFrancesco's organ solo on Pat Martino's rendition of "Sunny". Link's here: ua-cam.com/video/8q742ZgZC28/v-deo.html
Talking about music is often like dancing about architecture #QED
What an ignorant thing to say...
@@Schraupe quoteinvestigator.com/2010/11/08/writing-about-music/
@@Schraupe Agreed. I should've softened it by providing a citation to the original quote (using "Talking" and "Writing" interchangeably), often attributed to Frank Zappa, Elvis Costello, Martin Mull, Theolonius Monk, etc. :-)
quoteinvestigator.com/2010/11/08/writing-about-music/
Not even Cory himself can analyze properly what he was playing. He was out of this world, out of the normal.
I watched or listened to an interview with one of the band members, and apparently they played Lingus several times that day and Cory Henry was surprised that this was the take that was ultimately used on the album because he thought some of the other versions of the solo he played were better. Makes you wonder what he could possibly have played on these other takes...
Cory is art tatum and oscar
peterson
Calm down boss.
Corey is a in the moment player and never knows what he is going to do. It's not planned at all. Check out Derek Jackson those kinds of minds just play. They don't plan. Shaun Martin also
...the red headphones are not beats...it is Audio Technica...😜
first time on this channel; not a single actual musical insight (maybe other than the triads point) in 17 minutes; "groove-flow" and "block chords"... ah yes, penetrating analysis. thanks guys
I don't want to be that guy.... ( but i guess i do) none of those headphones are beats, they're all AudioTechnicas.
Anant Kurup came to the comments for this. Thanks.
I appreciate that they focus on the overall narrative arc of the solo , rather than getting caught in the weeds!
Do Jacob Collier
OMG creo que uno de los solos mas locos de la historia! aprovecho y les comparto un cover que hice, ua-cam.com/video/7nu6ONZ2Axc/v-deo.html
I know these guys know theory..... but they keep saying... "oh it's JUST"... as if they're saying... "oh it's not that difficult..i can do that" that's probably not the case but language is important
What we see as Cory Henry just "feeling" the groove is just our ignorance of what he is saying musically. He practices for 40 - 60 hours a day. What he is saying is extremely articulate even though we don't know the phrases he's using. He has likely practiced this solo hundreds of times and worked arduously over the rhythm and melody. I'd love to hear from him what was going through his mind.
I kinda agree with what you’re saying, but I really doubt he practiced the exact notes/rhythms/melodies he would play. I imagine, as many improvising musicians do in preparation for a recording session, that he had concepts and sounds that he specifically liked over each of the different parts of the vamp (ex. A maj- a min- e min over the e chord), but how he would realize those concepts could change in the moment. I would be very surprised if he knew every note he would play before starting. As Cory has said before, he thinks A LOT while practicing and tries to not think at all while playing.
@@crono303 I think you hit the nail on the head. When he's performing, he relies on those years of practice to feel instead of think. I'd love to see the interview where he talks about his performing.
He does practice so that affords him the ability to improv exactly what’s in his mind. I think this was 100% on the spot because on the DVD’s there is another version of this solo that is different. Also Cory came out of gospel music and that style of music is a lot of improv so I think it’s 2nd nature for him....just my thought
40-60 hours a day? What planet are you from? This is not a prepared solo, he's just being a great musician.
Actually this album was recorded live with only about 3 days of practice. The drummer showed up 2 hours before the recording.
If you watch much COGIC church playing....which is a whole form...a long one, you will see very advanced chromatic harmonies...as you say evoked by ear and huge experience, which defy the current Berklee et al modal analysis that has no roots in the tradition on the ground. Russell was an interesting guy, but he added no notes..to anyone. Tatum had a hundred times the influnence on Cory, I would guess.
Morse code lol
How can you title this "solo analysis" when there isn't a single instance of you breaking down a melodic, rhythmic, or harmonic idea? This is a glorified reaction video.
ThyrsusDionysus It’s more of a conceptual analysis rather than a technical one. I think the commentary adds to the experience for me personally, i’ve probably listened to the solo a million times, know it note for note, and these guys interpreted it very nicely imo
@@tonywatson8959 exactly, i don't need to sheet music. I don't care. The only thing that might be necessary is a transcription of his solo, but the groove and the chords should be pretty obvious. It's the difference between a physicist teaching all the concepts of physics involved in a particle accelerator versus just showing you how it works. However, in this situation, an in depth analysis isn't really good to just watch or listen to. You have to do it yourself if you really want to learn. You can watch videos of how to ride a bike all day, but until you actually touch the bike, you won't have made any tangible progress.
Exactly what I thought
True, solo "discussion" would be a more appropriate title
You may be right, but can you really expect even the best musicians to be able to give a real harmonic analysis of a solo this complicated and long in this very short, live video setting? I think a video essay format would really be the only way to show a real harmonic/melodic/rhythmic analysis of a solo like this.
comments arn't tight enough to the material, vague and generic reaction rather than analysis
check out this link here: ua-cam.com/video/H5REJ1SXNDQ/v-deo.html
humans talking about coreys solo? how u dare
More like a commentary. Not much of an analysis.
Hard to analyze this lol. That's why
First part is all pentacostal gospel figures. He is playing talkin music that is played under a preacher.
These guys are amazing musicians, but look like they are reacting to a Chess tournament.
I prefer Shaun Martin's reactions to this solo.
Waste of time.
“Out of the key” lmfao this guy isn’t playing in any kind of key
Super annoyed by this video. There are so many more unique and noteworthy aspects to this solo than what is discussed.
What’s your favorite as[eat of the solo?
@@crono303 If I had to pick 1 of the countless examples of the insane mastery in the solo, it would be the section at 6.30 of the original video. ua-cam.com/video/L_XJ_s5IsQc/v-deo.html
The band keeps droning the same simple I-bVI-IV-bII progression in the key of E. Cory shifts to the key of C, and continues playing the progression like the band made the change with him, but the band actually stays in the key of E. It forces a Phrygian sound, but really, the improvised solo and the band were just playing in different keys at that point, offset by a major third, which is why that whole bit sounds augmented. Suddenly, the first chord of the progression is C/E instead of E, etc. He unilaterally, and quite intentionally, used his solo to change the chordal quality of what the band was playing, meanwhile the band didn't actually change a thing. Nothing short of brilliant.
And then the illegal ninja moves he pulled to get back into the key of E...!!! INSANE, PERIOD.
ua-cam.com/video/L_XJ_s5IsQc/v-deo.html
@@crono303 Some other amazing things, to name a few:
- His totally dissociated and tasteful relationship with the downbeat of each bar. He very rarely finishes a phrase on the downbeat. Just before it, or just after it. Plenty of phrases in the world don't start or end on '1', but he's actually playing very simple rhythmic patterns that fit squarely into 4/4 time, but again, like above with the harmonic offset, he is offsetting his rhythmic playing by that much. Rhythmic modality, if you will. It's genius on a level that is very easy to miss. Syncopation, dotteds, triplets, doesn't land on the downbeat. Even moves into running 16th notes, and still, he is aligned with beat '2' (or near it) of the following phrase. ua-cam.com/video/L_XJ_s5IsQc/v-deo.html
- How about ua-cam.com/video/L_XJ_s5IsQc/v-deo.html which is a theme that comes from elsewhere, though I don't know where. This could be a song unto itself.
- I don't think Chick Corea is mentioned in this analysis, but might have been a prudent mention.
Trying to analize feeling and soul does not work. But it's typical. These guys play music with lables and replace it with diareea of the fingers. Endless Emplty sterile notes!! It's the equivalent of analyzing prayer. Senseless!!
in other words you have no idea what happened...