X4 Foundations: 7.0 Beta 5: Super carrier capability - Position Defence
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Hello everybody,
Some of you might know about the Position Defence, a carrier perk, but did you know that you can use it even when you are in control of the carrier?
It is a nice way to send all the carrier "birds", to go outside in play, and not just according to their bombard and interceptor roles. :D In fact, all the carrier's subordinates will take part in the fun. :)
Also, you get to see why I like to keep my bombers capable of performing intercept roles as well, 60 bombers and 40 interceptors can become 100 interceptors if need may be.
PS:
Sorry for the long clip, but the xenon keep coming...and coming....and coming...and coming...and coming...well, you get the idea. :P In fact, they keept comimg for about 2 more hours, once they pop they never stop. :D
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Raptor AA when firing is a form of art 👌🏼
Looking forward to starting a split run when 7 releases proper. The ships and weapons look so damn cool in combat.
Yes, they rule anything related to fleet combat.😁
But where a split only player will suffer is station demolition, because of the Rattlesnake low range. There you will be forced to defang the station with a personal Rattle, and only after send the AI controled ones.
That is gorgeous
Crazy battle, love the build
yup, position defence is one of the good new commands, still i would hope they improved bombard and intercept command, specially a way to adjust operation radius. For me raptor is the best big fleet carrier to use bomber wings, but for intercept i prefer to just have a monitor following closely with some fighters wings on intercept ready to defend the fleet.
Why specifically a Monitor and not, say, a Stork?
The thing that bother me about bombard and intercept command, actually is more about the intercept, is the fact that is no scaling to take into account the number of hostiles, a single xenon N trigger your entire wing of 40 interceptors to launch. Annoying when I forget to select docked status for the wings when the carrier is on the move.
As for preference, is solo super carrier for me, because I would have to worry about only one ship. For example, if I'm being gate ambush by hostile capitals, I can engage the engines and reduce dmg taken by moving out of the way. With an following aux ship, one, it can remain behind the carrier, outside the protection radius of my bombers, second, if it takes fire from xenon capitals travel drive in top of it, I don't have much time to react.
I've only recently discovered that I can use position defence while controling the carrier, and for me is even better that the bombard and intercept roles, because my interceptors also have one smart missile launcher, so they also can bombard. So, depending on the situation I can have either 100 bombers or 100 interceptors. 😁
Also, the Raptor is an important part of that tactic, as I can't use it with a solo Shark, because my boron S bomber of choice is torpedo Irukandji, and while they perfom admirably as bombers, have zero interceptor capability. And If I add to that the Shark subpar AA capability, is Raptor all the way, for my super carrier needs. 🧐
Ah if only the Argon carrier could do this, i do prefer the look of the Argon, but would never pick one over the Raptor
Colossus is a good carrier, unfortunately, it does not have the numbers.😐
And to think that I remember that an Ego dev said at some point, I think is when I was shii...I mean have an less that favorable feedback on the Odysseus E fighter capacity 😏, that 40 fighters is an already huge number of fighters 😮.
Hey ragnos, have you ever had a bomber use a torp on another fighter/frigate? I've always tightly controlled bomber for fear of them doing that.
No, they seem pretty consistent on using torpedoes only against capitals, thankfully.
@@ragnos28 Good to know, thanks.
And they don't stop coming, and they don't stop coming...
BTW, Is it possible to use destroyers and fighters in the same fleet with the carrier commander? I really like the PD order, but when I try to do Coordinate Attack the carrier sends not only destroyers, but all his subordinates, including fighters, independent of set behavior, and they die most of the time. And I'll not be surprised if he sends an aux ship too, but never tested it.
Yes, it is possible. Every wing of subordinates get its own "green circle" that you can move around, and they will engage all targets. But PD order will send ALL subordinates to engage hostiles, so the ships that you would not want to take part in combat, for example aux or M ships, should not be asign to the carrier, at least temporary.
That is why I tend to use PD only when the carrier's subordinates are exclusively fighters.
As for Coordinate Attack, never use it, it does not achieve anything worthwhile for me, in capital ship engagements or station demolition.
@@ragnos28 I see, I'll give it a try without Coordinate Attack once more, maybe I'll get it this time.
About PD - I don't have the same experience as you describe, In the part of ALL subordinates. If you give that order to the carrier - sure, it'll make a circle for all assigned groups. But you can order the one group you want to do that, by clicking on a group name and giving PD order (it'll only work if they're assigned to carrier as subordinates tho). I've did this many times, keeping my fighters inside and only giving individual PD orders to destroyer groups.
@@Livanskoy I've given PD orders only to carriers, because I was under the impression that was an carrier only perk, lol. 😋Did not know that you can do the same with the wings. 🤔
But don't think I will benefit much from this new found knowledge. I hate destroyers, they suck in any combat role they are given, intercept or bombard, slow to move, slow to react, slow to engage travel drive (and prone to misuse it). Totally useless in fleet combat, I only use them in station demolition.
@@Livanskoy I've just checked in game, it is not posible to give start position defence to non carrier ships or carriers subordinates. Are you using a modd?
@@ragnos28 I'm not using any mods. You need to click on a carrier's subgroup name (Alpha, Beta etc... in the left menu where all the ships and fleets are) and there will be a group-exclusive order. I've never tested if you need a starred captain for that, but I don't think so. I'm sure that it ONLY works if the commander is a carrier (well, I've only tested it with my Shark).
I don't understand how you've organized this PD fleet. Can you do a ELI5 tutorial on it. I mean I've played a lot but trying to reverse engineer your setup by pausing when you have the UI up is a struggle and I still don't see it 😅
I only pause the game with the default Esc key. I only use pause for bathroom breaks, so I don't do the...pause the game, then issue orders...stuff, because I consider it immersion breaking.🤓
For PD, while in map view, right mouse click on the carrier and select start PD, left click on the carrier to make the green circles visible and move them with left mouse click.
Additionally, in property window, select one group of carrier subordinates and right mouse click to start PD just for that group. I think left click on the carrier would also make the green circle visible and movable.
LOL. What's with the check engine light?
Is a light...for engine check. 😁😅
yooo man what are your pc specs? that lag is real :D I'm looking into upgrading my own just for X4, any tips pls? :D
My specs are the recommended ones:
CPU: Intel Core i7 @ 3.20GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB DDR5
RAM: 32 GB Dual-Channel 2666MHz DDR4
Hard drive SSD Kingston 250 GB
as for the lag...I actually want to see the system that could handle 100 flak turrets, 100 player fighters, more that 100 xenon fighters and the tone load of debris in the sector. 😁
I don't have an advise for X4 gear, from what I've seen from players, X4 is not great on multi core usage for the fancy CPUs out there, so maybe is more GPU dependent? 🤔
Maybe others more tech savy can help in replies.
@@ragnos28 x4 is more cpu dependent
@@xol5052 But I've heard X4 is not able to use multiple threads, or at least is not able to use them effectively.🤔
@@ragnos28 yeah that could be the case. Because I have a rtx 3060 laptop 90w edition. And it lags a lot I get usually around 30fps and sometimes more and less
@@xol5052 I salute all those brave enough to play X4 on a laptop. 😋 Especially during hot summers. 😮
Do you use mods in this game?, also you teleported to the ship just in time lol 16:35.
No, pure vanilla. 🤓
@@ragnos28 Wow ok thx.
@@ragnos28 Whaaat? Does that mean the Valhalla is now officially back and available in vanilla? Because 6:25
@@vdis Unfortunately, that is just giving that name to one of my Asgards, in the memory of its ATF ancestor, the OG Valhala. 🥲
This further proves that this playstyle, using carriers as the player in combat, is just not viable, too low fps. Player have to sit in Asgard with a few covering ships (destroyer/asgards) at max, or fps will be too low for persoanl combat. Sad, i don t think this will ever change in this game, but understandable technological difficulty.
Yeah, it is understandable technological difficulty, hell..100 flak turrets, 100 player fighters (with gatling type weapons, lol), more than 100 enemy fighters, various debris and a fully simulated universe in the background, while being able to zoom on a fighter to the point you can look at the pilot in the cockpit.
Plus, my PC has "just" the recommended specs:
CPU: Intel Core i7 @ 3.20GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB DDR5
RAM: 32 GB Dual-Channel 1329MHz DDR4
Hard drive SSD Kingston 250 GB
So, all things considered, with my gear, I think the performance is decent...in part because I've never measured fps, lol. 😋
@@ragnos28 might want to look into your bios if you can improve mhz on the RAM.
1300 mhz seems very low on ddr4.
i had the same issue. my mainboard clocked the ram automaticly to 2.300mhz even though it was designed to 3.200 mhz.
@@peterhoffmann2231 I don't know if 1329MHz is the actual value. I use an app called Speccy for centralised specs information, and it also do not show the 8GB of the video card and show 4GB instead. 🤔
In task manager the speed is listed as 2666MHz, I think that is the true value.🤔
Edit: I see that this is the actual speed mentioned on the seller page, when I bought the memory.
@@ragnos28 ah ok. then its all good.
have anice weekend and thx for the upload as usual!