Producers Roundtable: Viola Davis, Jerry Bruckheimer, Gail Berman, Kristie Macosko Krieger & More

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  • Gail Berman ('Elvis'), Jerry Bruckheimer ('Top Gun: Maverick'), Jonathan Wang ('Everything Everywhere All At Once'), Kristie Macosko Krieger ('The Fablemans'), Nate Moore ('Black Panther: Wakanda Forever'), and Viola Davis ('The Woman King') join The Hollywood Reporter for our full Producers Roundtable.
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  • @ryeezy1642
    @ryeezy1642 Рік тому +104

    Amazing group for roundtable. And props to the MODERATOR for guiding the conversation so beautifully and allowing space for all the guests to be heard.

  • @tanyenomichelle7021
    @tanyenomichelle7021 Рік тому +66

    Viola is such a powerhouse, she just pulls you, makes you listen deeply, then feel what she is saying at every juncture.
    Magnificent talent, thinker and heart. Absolutely LOVE her.

  • @_adrian_sean
    @_adrian_sean 9 місяців тому +8

    👉🏾 one thing i love about Viola... She is NEVER afraid to talk about her true experience working as a Black actor in an entertainment industry that wasn't made for her. But she's making a way ! ❤

  • @gemelwalters2942
    @gemelwalters2942 Рік тому +397

    I see Viola and I click, as usual she never disappoints. All great points, one of the problems small films face is the studio's need to appeal to everyone. They don't want to take risks. Jerry clearly made a misstep there in equating the hurdles of a film like Woman King vs the epitome of white male leads with Tom Cruise who studios will bend over backwards for.

    • @DK_75
      @DK_75 Рік тому +1

      They should bend over backwards for Tom since he is the biggest movie star in the world.

    • @postinc
      @postinc Рік тому +50

      Yep. Tom cruise basically green lit it with a single phone call. That is NOT comparable to what Woman King 👑 went through.

    • @DK_75
      @DK_75 Рік тому +6

      @@postinc Yea bc Top Gun is a guaranteed hit while the woman king was a guaranteed flop

    • @macphallic
      @macphallic Рік тому +13

      Absolutely to the misstep!

    • @gemelwalters2942
      @gemelwalters2942 Рік тому

      @@DK_75 why is it a guaranteed hit? Yes, in your ignorance you are proving her very point. No worries I know you are just a sad individual looking for attention, and that's why the current status quo appeals to you because you are desperate for that.

  • @derrionbrown3923
    @derrionbrown3923 Рік тому +43

    When Viola speaks, you breathe deeply!!!!!! 🌸🌸🌸🌸

    • @thinker185
      @thinker185 Рік тому +5

      She's everything! I could listen all day.

  • @Ernie1978
    @Ernie1978 Рік тому +206

    Viola Davis is such a blessing to the world. That woman is somebody I really respect and you can tell she means everything she says, she is humble but she also knows her place in the world. I proudly turn into a fanboy whenever I see her in films, tv, or interviews! The Woman King is quite an achievement!

    • @j.cutrone
      @j.cutrone Рік тому +3

      Well said. I feel the exact same about this Queen.

    • @TheSuperScifiShow
      @TheSuperScifiShow Рік тому +6

      I met her at a charity event in Sept 2016, and I got a big hug AND a brief but fun conversation. When I tell u that what u feel and see and hear from her on a screen is just a FRACTION of the REALNESS and WARMTH and COOLNESS and APPROACHABILITY she exudes in person, I'm not exaggerating. And she's HUMBLE, to boot. I see her in a UA-cam thumbnail and I click so fast, so I can get another hit (though JUST A FRACTION) of the energy she gave me in person, several years ago. She's A QUEEN OF THE HIGHEST ORDER --- on TV, in films, and in real life, for realz.

    • @Amitabhaurora
      @Amitabhaurora Рік тому +2

      She's overdramatic

  • @sonjablaziak6095
    @sonjablaziak6095 Рік тому +110

    Viola’s passion is on another level.

  • @JR-hf4xy
    @JR-hf4xy Рік тому +55

    I love these but you know what I think is needed? a horror roundtable. Its been a great year for genre movies and people like ti west, jordan peele, halina reijn, mimi cave or scott derrickson would have an amazing conversation I'm sure

  • @dancingwoolf
    @dancingwoolf Рік тому +46

    Viola speaking truth to power gives me so much life. Thank you for this conversation!

    • @ams914
      @ams914 Рік тому

      She is the power, what are you talking about, lol? She's a multi-millionaire probably worth tens of millions at this point.

  • @sonder1109
    @sonder1109 Рік тому +50

    I see Viola Davis I click! She inspires me and Genuinely great discussion and insight into their work and experiences!

  • @johnsailorsgoat
    @johnsailorsgoat Рік тому +37

    Incredible words by Viola Davis!

  • @TheChrisSumlin
    @TheChrisSumlin Рік тому +38

    Viola Davis brought the HEAT!🎉

  • @albc7519
    @albc7519 Рік тому +79

    Viola Davis is a legend. Speak truth to power and challenge the status quo, but still so humble and empathetic.

  • @mr.e212
    @mr.e212 Рік тому +6

    Viola's honesty got to love it. Jerry's response shows what Viola said clearly went over his head.

  • @macphallic
    @macphallic Рік тому +30

    Viola Davis is the truth! Hearing her speak, no matter what it is, is a force of healing! And every time I see her speak and hear her speak reignites my own courage. Above all, she is a woman, actor and producer whom I respect with the utmost!!

  • @lahislateles6566
    @lahislateles6566 Рік тому +33

    Aah Viola always makes me feel so much emotion 🥹❤️ it's amazing listen to her 👏

  • @robertocarletti2188
    @robertocarletti2188 Рік тому +8

    That was probably the best round table so far. The energy around the table was intense, passionate and intriguing, as well as, creatively inspiring, intellectually mind-blowing and most of all, fun!

  • @harryclark8029
    @harryclark8029 Рік тому +31

    Moderator did a phenomenal job, asked some brilliant questions!

  • @wildflowers30
    @wildflowers30 Рік тому +79

    Viola always keeping it real. it's very refreshing.

  • @colstonlchinese
    @colstonlchinese Рік тому +9

    I'm digging this producer's roundtable dialogue. Thanks for sharing!

  • @smorris7713
    @smorris7713 Рік тому +10

    I see you Viola, you brought it back. Well done👌🏽.

  • @sash9249
    @sash9249 Рік тому +112

    You know what would have been classy? If Jerry said "Viola, I'm sorry you had to go through all of that. It's something I'll probably never have to experience and that's not right. So if it ever happens again, I want you to call me." and then he gives her his card.

    • @Tombfan84
      @Tombfan84 Рік тому +10

      That would be wonderful and a great way to bring someone to the table

    • @kuramobay2445
      @kuramobay2445 Рік тому

      Bruckheimer is an old school Hollywood liberal, meaning, he gives to homeless charities, but doesn't want ethnics in his clubhouse if they're not there to do the cleaning. So asking him to get over his stereotypical mindset is like asking the leopard to change its spots.

  • @sonjablaziak6095
    @sonjablaziak6095 Рік тому +8

    This is the first time I’ve seen a moderator validate the panels responses!👍

  • @Robcpt
    @Robcpt Рік тому +11

    Viola Davis's passion is insanely inspiration

  • @reginaldhollis3562
    @reginaldhollis3562 Рік тому +25

    This is always the best roundtable every year! Please also bring back the studio exec one!

  • @asabove4373
    @asabove4373 Рік тому +36

    We’re only here for Viola Davis! She’s the realest and such an inspiration.

  • @GETOSUPASTAR
    @GETOSUPASTAR Рік тому +54

    Viola Davis. That’s all! Nothing else needs to be said… 👑

  • @mzseasoneddiva7608
    @mzseasoneddiva7608 Рік тому +5

    Just the thought of the WOMEN KING movie makes me SMILE SO BIG 😊IF EVER YOUR FEELING DOWN… watch ANYTHING with VIOLA❤

  • @thecircleclub_
    @thecircleclub_ Рік тому +178

    This roundtable showed me how jaded or out of touch some producers are. Viola Davis starting from the ground up is how things should be done because you understand every component of the performance. Making a film as a white male and black woman is not even remotely the same. 20:29

    • @DK_75
      @DK_75 Рік тому +1

      It should not be the same when the white man has the biggest movie star in the world. Anyways, you are missing his point about emotion

    • @DK_75
      @DK_75 Рік тому +3

      @@darnellmajor8895 He is saying that the emotional core of the film is ultimately what determines the success of the film at the box office. It is the same thing that makes every movie a success at the box office

    • @ams914
      @ams914 Рік тому

      How do you know that? How many movies have you made as a black woman?

    • @pam0626
      @pam0626 Рік тому +3

      But Tom Cruise started from the ground-up too. You seem to be inferring that male privilege has given Tom an unfair advantage, that he did not earn his place solely on merit. I don’t see it that way. The guy works incredibly hard and brings 1,000 percent commitment to every role. He is multi-faceted and, like Viola, understands every component of the filmmaking process. Can we stop turning everything into identity politics?

    • @DK_75
      @DK_75 Рік тому +2

      @@pam0626 That’s how these people view the world. They view everything through race and gender

  • @dawn7220
    @dawn7220 Рік тому +13

    Viola Davis is so incredibly eloquent, just amazing 😍

  • @missribbon
    @missribbon Рік тому +11

    Viola Davis is so powerful to me, & this just confirms it again & again

  • @betsymathews6832
    @betsymathews6832 Рік тому +36

    Viola Davis is a wonderful actress, producer, and person.

  • @forestgreene1771
    @forestgreene1771 Рік тому +19

    I love hearing what Viola has to say! Passionate mind.

  • @Nobody91021
    @Nobody91021 Рік тому +4

    I'd love to see a child actors roundtable who are around 18-22 years old, with guests like Jenna Ortega, Bella ramsey, millie bobby brown, Abraham Attah, David Mazouz and more just to talk about their experience being child actors and growing out of that role or about how they still are acting as child roles.
    Mainly since l just finished 'last of us' and 'beasts of no nation' which were great pieces of story telling!

  • @BestFitSquareChannel
    @BestFitSquareChannel Рік тому +3

    “Million Dollar Movie” … likely a contemporary. Ms. Davis… unabashed authenticity. A privilege to experience Ms. Davis, graceful, humble, forthright… dang, my thesaurus crashed! Wonderful session adroitly facilitated making this among the finest I have viewed. Thank you all. Best wishes, health, joy and wellbeing… 🫶🏼 🥂 🖖🏼

  • @Powetheory
    @Powetheory Рік тому +263

    After Viola expressed what hurdles she had to jump to get the film made…jerry comes in after her and equates all of their journey to hers…What?!?!

    • @ghosted7450
      @ghosted7450 Рік тому +17

      you mean trinna relate to a fellow human being?😂

    • @MrLoyalty2me
      @MrLoyalty2me Рік тому +61

      It pretty much went over his head. 🤣 I'm glad Viola explained it.

    • @TheBlueFuton
      @TheBlueFuton Рік тому +5

      Look at Jerry B past movies and what he has done for different people.

    • @rofaca
      @rofaca Рік тому +63

      I was like uhhhh….. it’s not the same struggle Jerry Bruckheimer lmao

    • @Powetheory
      @Powetheory Рік тому +7

      @@rofaca exactly!

  • @artwasemsr4950
    @artwasemsr4950 Рік тому +1

    This video has more humanity and heart than I have ever experienced on youtube. Thank you THR.

  • @darrenjoe674
    @darrenjoe674 Рік тому +1

    Great round table. Each making great points.

  • @nickness126
    @nickness126 Рік тому +183

    Viola: "we had to test screen our film starring and directed by black women to everyone but black women"
    Jerry Bruckheimer: "we all went through that"

    • @Largo3point0
      @Largo3point0 Рік тому +6

      LOL!!!

    • @dlg5485
      @dlg5485 Рік тому +62

      Sadly, that's exactly how I expect someone in Jerry's position to think...like their experience in EVERYONE'S experience. Let's be real, empathy generally isn't the uber successful white man's strong suit.

    • @13zomi
      @13zomi Рік тому +30

      I was like you seriously did not just "all lives matter" what she said lol smh

    • @bbrown333
      @bbrown333 Рік тому +26

      HAD ME PISSED OFF.
      Totally tried to invalidate what she was saying.

    • @sebastiangu7242
      @sebastiangu7242 Рік тому +18

      Yeah that little condescending smile on Jerry and Gail's faces when Viola is talking is a bit telling...

  • @inesrodriguez876
    @inesrodriguez876 Рік тому +3

    Thanks so much for such interesting roundtable.!!✨🥰

  • @4mIlr
    @4mIlr Рік тому +1

    thanks for sharing these great and valuable contents, this is a pure masterclass for cinema lovers

  • @Patience_asore
    @Patience_asore Рік тому +9

    Violas passion is contagious ❤️❤️❤️❤️… love her

  • @bryansparkman4833
    @bryansparkman4833 Рік тому +5

    PLEEEEEASE, NEVER STOP PRODUCING ROUNDTABLE!!! Thank you. 😄

  • @animaarmah3711
    @animaarmah3711 Рік тому +14

    FANTASTIC ROUNDTABLE, ALL THE FILMS ARE AMAZING. I ESPECIALLY HAVE SO MUCH LOVE AND APPRECIATE HER DEDICATION TO THE FILM AND TO BLACK WOMEN MEANS EVERYTHING #THEWOMANKING 😁

  • @krissifadwa
    @krissifadwa Рік тому +1

    When I read the comment section, you can't help but state the elephant of the room! Viola Davis is a powerful creator! Best Black actor to be set on screen. Such an inspiration! ❤

  • @runningonemty8566
    @runningonemty8566 Рік тому +10

    Viola Davis ❤ And The Woman King - Love It

  • @cinesheikh
    @cinesheikh 10 місяців тому

    Great video, I dont need an ad every 2 minutes though, don't get greedy Hollywood Reporter

  • @henry2168
    @henry2168 Рік тому +1

    This is REALLY cool, like watching this you really get an idea of "them" this is their experience,
    this is their perspective, this is their energy, and watching it idk if this a known idea in the industry,
    but the movie feels like the producer. idk maybe that's obvious.

  • @lcz4033
    @lcz4033 Рік тому

    Excellent roundtable

  • @GHBobBrownbear
    @GHBobBrownbear Рік тому

    Great Roundtable

  • @MellowChick09
    @MellowChick09 Рік тому +14

    He completely dismissed Viola’s comment. The movies are not the same. The emotions are NOT the same. It’s so deeply ingrained that they don’t recognize it when they do it.

  • @AnferneeMyers
    @AnferneeMyers Рік тому +1

    I needed this, so badly.

  • @mariamysoul
    @mariamysoul Рік тому

    Always so inspiring, please make more. Thank you

  • @melindamullins9272
    @melindamullins9272 Рік тому

    amazing honesty i love this and the humbleness is so surprising but so refreshing..

  • @faafafineartist
    @faafafineartist Рік тому +3

    EEAAO was divine. I needed it exactly when I saw it.

  • @bluebellbeatnik4945
    @bluebellbeatnik4945 Рік тому +10

    i love roundtables when they feature unknowns or people who the public might not necessarily known. apart from viola davis i'd say they're mostly unknown.

    • @Dayvit78
      @Dayvit78 Рік тому +2

      Exactly. Filmmaking is a collaborative effort, so we need more than just actors' roundtables. And Hollywood Reporter delivers.

    • @MRLONG758
      @MRLONG758 Рік тому +8

      Jerry Bruckheimer is pretty well-known

  • @postinc
    @postinc Рік тому +30

    Woman king was a really special film. The passion that Viola displays here for it, is warranted. It is story that needed to be told and preserved.

  • @racqynathiri856
    @racqynathiri856 Рік тому +7

    If you’re here for *VIOLA DAVIS* talk about her journey - 13:21

  • @cesiag29
    @cesiag29 Рік тому +4

    Viola Davis elevates everything she touches, every space. ✨️

  • @saint18ruben
    @saint18ruben Рік тому

    The best round table of the year

  • @lesleyalfaro6556
    @lesleyalfaro6556 Рік тому +12

    I loved this interview! And I loved this interviewer!!!! Finally, an interviewer doesn't segue into the next person in such an abrupt, unfeeling way. I hate it when interviewers ask super detailed and empathetic questions, get a deep well thought answer and then immediately go on to the next person and ask a question! Whenever I see interviewers do that, it feels so disrespectful and disingenuous to me-- which is totally unfair when you're the one who asked the question in the first place; lol we get it, it's a job, sheesh. Idk if anyone else feels that way lol just my opinion.

    • @janetrobertson9199
      @janetrobertson9199 Рік тому +1

      The round tables have had been great thanks to the facilitators.

  • @whattypeofx7750
    @whattypeofx7750 Рік тому +1

    is this a viola special , i love it

  • @CharisAmarh
    @CharisAmarh Рік тому +1

    Viola Davis. What a icon, what a powerhouse. There is no one like you.

  • @chillbest14
    @chillbest14 Рік тому +1

    Awesome thanks

  • @kl.8992
    @kl.8992 Рік тому +5

    Yesss Viola

  • @thepenthouse6793
    @thepenthouse6793 Рік тому +4

    This made me watch The Woman King again ❤

  • @byronadams5759
    @byronadams5759 Рік тому +7

    VIOLA!! "Truth is bravery"

  • @luanna376
    @luanna376 Рік тому +1

    BRAVO👏👏👏

  • @FazartOrganization
    @FazartOrganization Рік тому

    More roundtables!!!

  • @ahmadalmaiman8600
    @ahmadalmaiman8600 Рік тому +1

    I agree with everything that has been said, especially Viola and Jerry.

  •  Рік тому +1

    I love the roundtables. But instead of asking "when was the moment when you realized you were successful" she could ask about their growing up and what led things to becoming what they became.
    we'd have so much more insight on the same theme

  • @bdaf07
    @bdaf07 Рік тому +10

    It’s really typical that Jerry would dismiss what Viola said by reducing it to stuff that they all went through.

  • @mbalikhoza6162
    @mbalikhoza6162 Рік тому +2

    I just love Voila Davis👌🏽

  • @joribremer5260
    @joribremer5260 Рік тому +1

    You should do a musicians roundtable :)

  • @FramesPerSecond
    @FramesPerSecond Рік тому +5

    Surprised Maria Bello wasn’t here as she brought the project to Viola. But it was nice having Viola here.

  • @kuramobay2445
    @kuramobay2445 Рік тому +121

    In my view, Jerry Bruckheimer seems to attempt to reduce the gender and race issues that Viola Davis mentioned to just stuff you go through to make an exceptional movie. It's like he refuses to recognize that race and gender discrimination is a separate and political issue that plagues society at large. He's just about old enough to run as a candidate for political office.

    • @postinc
      @postinc Рік тому +10

      Exactly 💯

    • @oliverticalstudios
      @oliverticalstudios Рік тому +16

      Felt the same thing sitting here watching him try to very subtly dismiss the point Viola was trying to make. Then again of course he’s going to be defensive because he’s one of the “gatekeepers” she’s referring to. 🤷🏿‍♂️

    • @bdaf07
      @bdaf07 Рік тому +6

      This is exactly what I saw.

    • @renatopinto3186
      @renatopinto3186 Рік тому +1

      He might've wanted to lighten up where the conversation was going, but failed miserably. His cut sounded awfully dismissive, rude even 😬

    • @oliverticalstudios
      @oliverticalstudios Рік тому +8

      @@renatopinto3186 If that was his intention, which I highly doubt, then he should’ve chosen to chime in at some other point. Why did he feel the need to cut in right there and completely dismiss the point Viola was trying to make? I work in Hollywood, so I’ve seen it time and time again. Bottom line, if your thoughts and ideas don’t align with the powers that be, it’s a problem. Period. We can pretend it’s anything other than that but we all know the truth. Like it or not. 🤷🏿‍♂️

  • @TheSisthaCircle
    @TheSisthaCircle Рік тому +3

    Viola … your truth your voice is powerful … has I always say… if it was easy everybody would do it… because it’s hard doesn’t mean that you don’t! The Women King was phenomenal… thank you for the fight!

  • @kaboteinment1715
    @kaboteinment1715 Рік тому +3

    Viola Davis must be protected at all costs 💕🌺

  • @86Figs
    @86Figs Рік тому +3

    I saw Viola, I clicked.

  • @ccan_max5285
    @ccan_max5285 Рік тому +1

    When are we getting a huge roundtable with like 60 people lol

  • @dancoyle6911
    @dancoyle6911 Рік тому +2

    I appreciate the way that viola elaborated on her struggle making this film, but I would’ve found that her statements about truth and integrity in storytelling had more legitimacy had the story told the whole truth about that tribe of women in Africa. The movie left some giant things out.

  • @footballhistory2139
    @footballhistory2139 Рік тому

    What about this year cinematographers roundtable?? are you guys skipped it?

  • @ZandeKongo
    @ZandeKongo Рік тому +131

    Either Bruckheimer missed Viola Davis's point about how hard it was to get a Black female led film made, or he's just downright obtuse.

    • @Diro_Nikhil
      @Diro_Nikhil Рік тому +8

      I don't think he missed that .... He is also happy to share his triumph ..as he should ...

    • @macphallic
      @macphallic Рік тому +52

      His poorly timed response suggested that the hurdles she experienced were just another example of the hurdles that are inherent in making a film-and therefore something all producers face, which actually trivializes the specificity and particular complexity of her point that making a film with a vision that is actively and militantly discriminated against is a set of odds that sets her fight above some of her own peers fight.

    • @Diro_Nikhil
      @Diro_Nikhil Рік тому +7

      @@macphallic yeah but while I was watching it ...i was like yeah i got it ...we know how difficult it is mount a film with all black cast ... She was going on and on and that's understandable as she really had faced 10X than Maverick but surely the maverick guy will also speak .... That's why the moment he interjected everyone agreed and they moved on ... Everybody is a human being who wants to talk ...

    • @Diro_Nikhil
      @Diro_Nikhil Рік тому

      @A C thanks I dont need ur certificate ... I m self aware to know the diff between insensitive n racist .....but ur free to have your opinion. He was a prick wwho wanted his mic .... I dont see him as racist but u sure can and fortunately I won't call you names

    • @MRLONG758
      @MRLONG758 Рік тому +1

      I think both

  • @jxixikiki2374
    @jxixikiki2374 Рік тому +1

    Viola was right, what prevail true character and story is courage and honesty. Audience wants to see you as who you are, even it means ugly truth. If film is not about activism it is only entertainment. It Is her selflessness as art director shatters confidence of others, although I feel women king is not her particular right approach at this moment of social environment.

  • @jynx2501
    @jynx2501 Рік тому +2

    I need Viloa Davis to be my life coach...

  • @txchestnut1837
    @txchestnut1837 Рік тому +1

    We love you Viola Davis thank you.

  • @kellyzhou9971
    @kellyzhou9971 11 місяців тому

    Was last years producers roundtable ever released? Want to see denis.

  • @scottmena4653
    @scottmena4653 Рік тому +2

    It's crazy how COVID affected all these films but yet like Jerry Bruckheimer says that their films resonated to the audience in some special way. Loved all these movies that came out in 2022.

  • @terrikesler1823
    @terrikesler1823 Рік тому

    Viola Davis is SUPERB. 👏🏻

  • @mugy9356
    @mugy9356 Рік тому

    You need to got the art director sesion of this

  • @romanumeralz
    @romanumeralz Рік тому +6

    Viola should just change her name to Amanda Waller. She’s all Kingpin now. 🤣

  • @synthiasimms4608
    @synthiasimms4608 Рік тому

    I only listened bc of Viola!

  • @shahabedinfarzinmagham9733
    @shahabedinfarzinmagham9733 Рік тому

    Straight director

  • @kubrick1608
    @kubrick1608 Рік тому +2

    when they describe their job it sounds like they're just taking credit for what a director does lol. only one mentions the budget in their analogy

    • @kubrick1608
      @kubrick1608 Рік тому +1

      to be fair i don't understand what their value is other than gain finance

  • @dayko1329
    @dayko1329 Рік тому +3

    Did Hustlers catch a stray bullet?

  • @dannybadio2176
    @dannybadio2176 Рік тому +1

    LOL - man she made that uncomfortable.

  • @moneiseduku2884
    @moneiseduku2884 Рік тому +1

    Viola Davis❤

  • @ohjein
    @ohjein Рік тому +12

    Jerry Bruckheimer is 79.

    • @ams914
      @ams914 Рік тому +2

      They all should've been bowing to him instead of pretending that they share any of his experience. He's been doing the job for 50 years.

  • @jamesmarie
    @jamesmarie Рік тому

    The Woman King got me to theater.

  • @phatvu7685
    @phatvu7685 Рік тому

    I want to ask. What date Krieger was born?