2023 Sherco Preview - The Last Carb Bike?
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Riding the 2022 Sherco 300SE Factory edition, the 2023 bikes have been released and there are no upgrades for the new model year. It's looking like the rumours of a switch to a fuel injected two stroke for 2024 may be true. Would you want the last carb bike or are you looking forward to fuel Injection?
/ pnwenduro
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Would you grab the last carb bike or wait for the FI model?
I definitely would NOT buy the first FI bike, i would wait to see how they go & if they have any issues !
while I respect the advantages FI has (no jetting, altitude compensation, etc) , I still prefer carbs for their simplicity. That is an over-used saying, but it is true.
Carb.
FI model
@@andybj4091 what if you could have both carb simplicity with no jetting and altitude/air density compensation at the same time? The SmartCarb does just that. Not to mention any adjustments can be made externally, in seconds, trail-side in seconds.
Well Greg the inevitable is happening with the emissions fixation of EU so I personally have had 3 carb 2 strokes and 3 TPI bikes over the past 6 years and I was raised on carb bikes when I was younger. The KISS principle is still my mantra when riding more miles than I can walk back to my truck and the vast majority of the time I ride by myself so CARB bike for me until they pry it out of my dead hands. So I have a 2022 SE250 and 300 now and I came very close to getting a TM 300 carb model, hopefully TM with its low volume production of their carb models can evade the emissions radar of EU, so our choices are dwindling. That said, Shercos will remain with me for many years to come and I hope we still will have a TM carb option after 2023.
THIS ☝🏻💯 CARB for life.
Love the KISS principle and it sucks we all have to obey Euro emission standards! I say BS I'll stay with a carbureted smoker for life!
Not looking forward to 2 stroke fuel injection at all. 2 strokes are all about simplicity, and fuel pump, oil pumps, associated sensors, injectors and ecu's are a deviation from simplicity.
I agree 100%.
Yes Yes Yes
When my kickstart carbed 2 stroke is still riding mountain trails, the fuel injected no kickstart 2 strokes will be in the scrapyard.
@@carlatamanczyk3891 currently on ktms you can add a kickstartif you want too, but what's the point? If the started took a shit or battery died, just push start it. Isn't very challenging for a 2 stroke
I am very happy with my Beta 300 with oil injection and Smartcarb 😁
I have the same but no OI. I removed it.
i will keep my 21 SE 300 for a while.... love that bike... cheers
I think the TMs are still carbed, but the sheer simplicity of the carbs for backcountry riding is very appealing
TM currently makes both carb and FI models.
TM has switched all 2 strikes to EFI now, even the motor cross bikes which were still carbed. They have a switch right on the bars to switch between maps, which is awesome.
This is one reason that i bought a 2022 SE 300 in January. Si far its been great no problems. parts have been easy to get other than a spark arreser same as you
Beta is staying with carbs and can still add on a kick start too. I’m sticking to all carbed bikes. They work great.
Beta has fi bikes ready as well from what I hear. I think they are waiting until they are forced to ditch the carbs.
@@PNWEnduro Smart because just like Sherco they have had a major uptick in sales since KTM went TPI. Some people just don't want to mess with the extra electronics.
@Chris Tobey for sure. It used to me a sea on orange on our local trails, you still see more KTM than anything else now but there is definitely a lot more of the other brands around in that past couple years.
@@PNWEnduro Same here in the midwest. My friend just picked up a 2022 Sherco 300 because he can't get his 2020 KTM 300 to run. It's been at the dealer for 3 weeks and they can't figure it out either.
@@PNWEnduro 4 strokes in 2015 with the 350 and they held out as long as they could as Beta always has liked carbs. 2..strokes all are carbed.
I love TPI, and I'm an old carb guy. I'm not going to go into all the reasons why I love TPI, but what I am going to say is ever since I started to watch PNW Enduro vids I'm hooked on that Sherco and I want to try one really bad. I have several TPI 300's and absolutely LOVE them - but I have the money to try other things so why not?
Locally I’m seeing a lot of people switching over to Sherco from the Ktm brands.
I love my TPI but hate having to deal with the chance of electrical component failures like the crankcase sensor and oil pump. Though, not having to jet for altitude or premix is a huge plus. Hoping the EFIs are more reliable in that department.
The CCP sensor issue has been a problem for a while now, hopefully the next gen KTM's have that sorted out, they are also going back to pre-mix so no oil pump.
I have 300 hours on my 2020 tpi and havent replaced 1 electrical item. The suspension went in the trash but the engine and electronics are solid. Whenever it runs funny i blow out the dents in the pipe, seems most peoples issues are lack of maintenance.
@@billypulsipher7313 I've had two CCPS fail in under 70
Still looks to be the same sensor just on an attachment on the back of the cylinder. Same CCPS problems but with added electronic power valve to blow up.
@@MechShark my friend had a bike he kept replacing them because it had a burble at 1/8th steady throttle. I finally put a jd tuner on it and tuned out the burble. Might be something to look into.
Man that thing sounds good!
Sherco might be in my future. Recovering from ACL surgery right now. Can’t ride till probably November. Thinking about selling my 300 and deciding what new 2st to replace it with…
On a 21 300 XC TPI currently. Runs better than my 19 TPI did. I have not had any sensor or oil pump issues yet at 100+ hours on either the 19 or 21, but most of my crew has and that means it has impacted my rides too. Think it’s my 7th KTM 2st with a few white versions in the mix and a few 4st bikes along the way. TPI is convenient but runs a bit soft compared to a correctly tuned carb. Can’t bring myself to drop the money on a GET as it’s more electronics to rely on. Not sure about being part of the KTM beta test for the new 23 TBI on the 300 XC. Been there done that with early TPI models.
Local Sherco dealer has 22’s available and sounds like BNG version 23’s in the Fall so it might be time for a change of color.
Sorry about your injury. If you can, maybe pick up a 22 and save some money. I don't regret switching from KTM.
On my 20 Se 300 I bought a yz250x fmf spark arrestor. Cut the tabs off the factory one and the front end piece that goes to expansion chamber had it all welded up and looked almost factory
Can’t wait for the Fi in 2024 !!!
I wish I would've went the sherco route when I bought my 21 gas gas. Definitely the best looking imo.
Thanks for sharing👍 good video!
I like the feel of carbs but if 2024 models are lighter, better counter balanced, better stock ergos but came FI, then I would take the new FI. I have a 2021 right now
That's my main concern, if they make the bike heavier I don't think I'd get one.
So, I have a 2020 300 xcw tpi and it's fine, runs good, but man there's a lot of complex systems that add more expense to ownership, diagnosing problems etc... And I will say it doesn't have low end grunt my 2016 300 xcw. Tpi has a softer smooth electric mellow feel, which is good in slippery conditions.
Gas Gas. YZ 250X , BetaX trainer all Sherco all carburetors.
I've put a deposit down on a '23 Tm en300 carb. But I'd be happy either Sherco or TM carb.
Nice! Do you know when the 2023 TM will arrive?
I don’t know. Impatiently waiting for the ‘23 announcement. Will probably arrive late spring…I hope.👍
I was curious have you had problems breaking rear fenders? My friend has a 14 and they dont flex and just snap off. Was curious if they have changed since then? I can see this being the year where they clean up all their previous inventory and prepare to retool for next years big update
Rear fender is fine. When I first got my 2021 I cracked a few plastics but was able to stich them together. I though the bike had weak plastics but I have not done much more damage since. They are not as durable as KTM plastics but they are not bad.
The factories made 2 huge mistakes: Getting rid of kick starters and getting rid of carburetors.
If you can afford a new bike every 6 months then you don't need to worry.
If you have to keep the same bike for several years then it's a big problem.
KTM had to go to FI or stop producing 2 strokes due to emissions regulations and the number of units they sell.
@@PNWEnduro The long term goal of the out of control environmental regulatory agencies is to gradually phase out internal combustion engines
For now they are just forcing the manufactures to expensively jump through untenable hoops and make consumers dizzy.
@@carlatamanczyk3891 Yup. It's Pathetic 👎🏻
@@carlatamanczyk3891 they're doing the best they can. Would suck a lot more if 2 strokes were outright banned
hello, Beta RR 300 or Sherco se factory 300, which is more powerful, more aggressive, more brutal, more reliable, faster in the forest on difficult trails and difficult climbs thanks to the people who will answer me!🤝🏻
can you suggest me the carburetion set up for 10000 feet at 77 degrees of average temperature, main jet, idle jet, needle, airscrew? thanks!
I run a Samrtcarb so I don't have to do any jetting.
Hey Greg, I live in the lower mainland and ride a YZ 250 X. I know you have ridden the YZ, how do they compare in the handling, For example up at Vedder mountain, thanks
My opinion. The Sherco is superior in almost every department. Way more torque, smoother power delivery that keeps better traction, turns better, E-start for tricky situations or to just not wear you out and the suspension is valved better for the more technical trails. Both bikes are more than capable, but I know which one I have more fun on.
Sherco with a smartcarb should be just fine.
I've dropped a deposit on a 23.. can't wait
I see some dealers have the 23's already.
@@PNWEnduro not in Australia unfortunately.. 4 container loads on the sea apparently atm.
I picked up my 2023 3 days ago, got first 5 hrs on engine. It's a monster
Fuel injection all the way. Love my TPI 2021 Husky TE250i. No issues and love riding it.
I do not understand why a Manufacturer has not used the Smart Carb on one of their bikes yet. Certainly it would be cheaper than fuel injection and almost as effective.
It may up the MSRP just as much as switching to FI. Where I live the carb Sherco costs more than a KTM TPI bike already. Smartcarb would also have to be able to manufacture enough carbs to supply the bikes on the production line while still being able to sell to their customers.
@@PNWEnduro A large manufacturer would also want a guarantee of parts availability and support. Smartcarb probably can't swing that. A more likely scenario would be one of the manufacturers buying the company out. But since carbs are almost extinct, it would be a bad business decision.
If your oil injector quits on the fuel injected bike your engine keeps running and seizes up injected bikes need to fire pre-mix and be throttle body injection
Yep, one less part to fail.
I'm sticking with my Husky, but working hard on my bud to get one while he can...
Nooooooo! Lectron Billitron all the way. Don't fix what isn't broken. Never EVER have I thought my 300 could run better! I do not want Tpi, TBi EFi on a two stroke. I've already changed brands one over it. Not interested.
I hear you but it's only a matter of time now. Seeing how good the new KTM TBI bikes run has me less worried about Sherco making the change.
Team Beta here. You know Beta is Carb’d right? Beta made huge changes on the 23 still carb’d beta already has a patent on their fuel injection system but they know most people don’t want it on two strokes yet.
Yes, I've ridden lots of them. Beta is in the same position as Sherco and they will both eventually be forced to switch over to FI due to Euro emissions regulations. I am looking forward to trying a 2023 300RR when I get a chance.
Yep pre ordered my 300 factory Last carb .
Not a fan of TPI!
Well I'm sure they will go TBI not TPI but yes, I hear you. The last carb models will be highly sought after much like the 2018/19 KTM's.
@@PNWEnduro Yep had a to search for a while to find my 2018 TX300 at a decent price. Most of the ones I've found were way overpriced because they are getting harder to find with a carb.
What does the b stand for ?
TBI = throttle body injection.
i would like to buy either one. but unfortunately here in Kommiefornia i can't buy the bike i want and ride it on public trails. :0(
That sucks. Is there any ways around that like buying/registering out of state?
Is 2023 model year actually confirmed last year carb?
I’m hearing 2024 will be FI but we won’t know for sure until next year.
I prefer carb 2 stroke any time, I hope EU fall apart soon so we end this madness. Mine 2020 sherco 300 se factory works perfect.
nope the drz400 is still carb’d up😂
FI.
if sherco would just have made it with an oil mixer i would buy a carb version i just hope the fuel injection has oil mixing
I don’t think oil injection is what most people want. People remove the OI on the Beta’s a lot of the time, KTM is also going back to premix. It’s one less failure point and less weight without it.
What?? you buy one of the best hard endure bikes, and you lift it over logs?
Can you ride 8 hours through the mountains, over logs, rock gardens and dozens of switchbacks without ever making a mistake? You will have to lift the bike occasionally and the weight is a factor.
@@PNWEnduro Ride yes no problem. Race for 8hrs hitting all the technical stuff No last endure race I did was 3 hrs I was toast after 2hrs. LOL
Follow me…I guarantee I can take you on a ride where you’ll be lifting your bike on several occasions. If you aren’t screwing up you aren’t pushing yourself.
If you're riding enduro and aren't picking your bike up at some point, you probably aren't riding very hard
Seems the only place people have a hard on for the carbs is the internet. Buddy has been selling a clean '19 TX300 for weeks. The only inquiries he's been getting are questions, if it's a TPI. Once they hear "carburetor," they disappear.
Interesting, around here those last carb models are highly sought after.
@@PNWEnduro Same here unless they are just priced to high.
I'll buy it right now!
The drz400 is also one of the last carbed bikes.
Fuel injected, hands down.
Properly set up carb bike is so much better then a TPI. TPIs are like riding a paper bag
@@westcoastfrisco I hear that a lot, where exactly do the carb bikes run better? I watched Mario Romans and Graham Jarvis erzberg footage and the tpi is silky and the sherco was blubbery, kept having the rev the thing up. Are they better if you get them adjusted foe 1 altitude and temperature? But really, how so?
@@billypulsipher7313 They’re riding the hardest terrain in the world and Mario is one of the best. If his bike was anyone near “blubbery” he and everyone else that rides a carb bike would’ve have the success they do. The time of bad running, hard to to tune carb two strokes is the thing of the far past.
@@westcoastfrisco What do the carb bikes do better? This is the question im curious about. You kinda went off there.
@@billypulsipher7313 Quicker throttle response, more pull off the bottom and better overall feel of the motor is why I prefer carb bikes over TPI. FI technology will get there very soon, bit its not there yet imo.