They are easy to drop and securely stow on your deck as well. If you would like a sail, you can play around with designs and see your options here. www.falconsails.com/store
Yes you can. For those who would like a more complete explanation, I included more text below. Feel free to call our shop and discuss your kayak and your situation to learn more. www.falconsails.com/contact.php Here is a more detailed answer. ======================================================== With zero paddling, you can make up wind progress above reaching across the wind of about 10 to 20 degrees on each tack or about 20 to 40 degrees of sailing above reaching. That means you can straight up sail 200 (180+20) to 220 (180+40) degrees out of 360 degrees without paddling. To keep things simple let’s say you can sail 200 out of 360 degrees without paddling. That means you can make up wind progress and sail across your lake back and forth and return quite a bit up wind of where you started. If you throw in a few paddle strokes, you can add a lot more degrees of upwind progress. If you have your sail up, and you are paddling a little bit to keep the sail properly oriented to the wind and have the bow pointed in the right direction with a little bit of hull speed, you will generate lateral resistance and useful sail propulsion. The more point your bow aggressively up wind, the more the laws of diminishing returns set in. In the end you can have useful sail propulsion as you paddle sail up to within 30 degrees of straight up wind. That means you can have useful sail propulsion in 300 out of 360 degrees. Just like with a dedicated sailboat, the benefits of sailing diminish as you point more aggressively up wind. Conditions must be good, and you must concentrate but you can gain useful propulsion on 300 out of 360 angles of attack. You will have to paddle, but you can have useful propulsion on 300 out of 360 degrees. If you do not want to paddle / want to be 100% sail propulsion you can sail 200 out of 360 degrees. This video shows an up-wind leg I was enjoying on Lake Erie. As you can see it is a lot of fun. ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html I was making nice up wind progress, in my 14-foot-long Jackson Journey kayak. This kayak has a rounded hull bottom that will be beaten by most other kayaks hulls. So even the not so good kayaks sail pretty darn well. This video shows me making up wind with no lee board or dagger board and almost zero paddling. ua-cam.com/video/Kgjz69s6zUA/v-deo.html This is a completely generic Kayak with a standard Falcon Sail on a moderate wind day. It includes some gps telemetry that makes it easy to see my actual movement. It shows me sailing more than 210 out of 360 possible degrees. Like I have said before the Jackson Journey I was paddling at the time is not the very best kayak for kayak sailing, but still performs great like most all kayaks do. I choose my kayaks based on what kayak I like with or without a sail. They all sail surprisingly well. If I started paddling and kept the sail properly oriented to the wind and kept some motion to help the hull generate more lateral resistance, I could have had useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight up wind or 300 out of 360 angles of attack. You can make good progress by paddling, but using the sail you can speed up faster, have a higher top end speed, will slow down slower, and require less effort to get to your destination. Here is a nice October run where we were heading to Green Island at the West End of Lake Erie. If you look at the waves you can see we were making nice upwind progress. facebook.com/falconsails/posts/pfbid032zRhqeEixUGhmk7ECvA3nzb8KXXbXNAPR1eFh5VTqJG9qy7dhmu2StCRDUKnBoq2l This video shows us easily reaching across the wind and making some up wind progress in big winds and choppy seas. It was a super fun paddle sail. ua-cam.com/video/k-oO1D7qctA/v-deo.html
I am inspired. How far back from the bow is your mast step? Is that where you would put it if you had it to do again? Which rudder option are you using? Were you able to use the mast compression strut? If so, how did you get it inside the hull? If you installed an inspection port where did you put it? Sorry about all the questions but you appear to have been highly successful 😉
For surf skis you typically install a screw out deck plate in the area in front of your feet. When you order a Falcon Sail with a complete rigging kit, the rigging kit will include everything you need for a easy and solid rigging job. If your boat rigging parts list has a screw out deck plate then it will be included with the kit when you order a Falcon Sail with a complete rigging kit. Typically when someone rigs a Falcon Sail on their surf ski, you simply install the mast as far as you can conveniently reach into to the bow area using the access made with the screw out deck plate. The geometry of the access being in front of your feet plus a long reach, puts it in a great location where you will have freedom of paddle strokes and good sailing dynamics. It is also a great location for keeping the sail and mast out of the way when it is in the down position secured to the deck. A good general rule of thumb with rudders is, what ever rudder you have (or do not have) on your kayak without a sail, will be a great rudder for kayak sailing as well. So what ever rudder you may have now will be good. On my personal Epic 18x, I use rudder that comes stock with it. It is fine. Some of my boats have a Smart Track rudder with the small blade which are great. Some of my kayaks have no rudder at all and are fine without a sail and also with the sail. The most important factor for steering and staying on course is balancing things out so the boat does not tend to turn up wind or down wind. Some times a rudder ends up being a crutch / sometimes people with rudders think their boat is in balance but it is not in balance and the rudder disguises an out of balance situation. There are a lot of great things you can do to balance out any boat. If you stay anywhere near the range I mentioned above your boat will be in nice balance. If you have a rudder you can use a rudder you can set the paddle down and steer with your feet.
Yes it would work on a Epic V5. The best thing to do is call the Falcon Sails shop and have a discussion about the the otpions. www.falconsails.com/contact.php
The V5 is a great sailing surfski. You would really like it. This can be had for just 3 pounds total and can be removed from the surf skin in less than 30 seconds.
You can make impressive up wind progress for adding a 3.5 pound Falcon Sail rig to any kayak. Of course this is not entirely like a normal yacht. Here is a more full answer. You can make up wind progress above reaching across the wind of about 10 to 25 degrees on each tack or about 20 to 50 degrees of sailing above reaching. That means you can straight up sail 200 (180+20) to 230 (180+50) degrees out of 360 degrees without paddling. To keep things simple let’s say you can sail 215 out of 360 degrees without paddling. That means you can make up wind progress and sail across your lake back and forth and make up wind progress as you go forward. If you throw in a few paddle strokes, you can add a lot more degrees of sailing where you achieve useful propulsion. If you have your sail up, and you are paddling a little bit to keep the sail properly oriented to the wind and have the bow pointed in the right direction with a little bit of hull speed, you will generate lateral resistance and useful sail propulsion. The laws of diminishing returns will set in the more aggressively you point up wind. The more point your bow aggressively up wind, the more the laws of diminishing returns set in. In the end you can have useful sail propulsion as you paddle sail up to within 30 degrees of straight up wind. That means you can have useful sail propulsion in 300 out of 360 degrees. This video shows an up wind leg I was enjoying not long ago. It is a lot of fun. ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html I was making nice up wind progress, in my 14 foot long Jackson Journey kayak. This kayak has a rounded hull bottom that will be beat by most other kayaks hulls. So even the not so good kayaks sail pretty darn well. This video shows me sailing up wind with no lee board or dagger board and almost zero paddling. ua-cam.com/video/Kgjz69s6zUA/v-deo.html It includes some really neat gps telemetry that makes it easy to see my actual movement. It shows me sailing more than 210 out of 360 possible degrees. If I started paddling and kept the sail oriented to the wind properly, and kept some motion to help my stock hull generate more lateral resistance, I could have had useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight up wind or 300 out of 360 angles of attack. This is very similar to motor sailing a sail boat. The motor alone can push the sail boat, but using the sail it will speed up faster, have a higher top end speed, will slow down slower, and require less effort to get to your destination. Here is a nice October run where we were heading to Green Island at the West End of Lake Erie. If you look at the waves you can see we were making nice upwind progress. facebook.com/falconsails/posts/pfbid032zRhqeEixUGhmk7ECvA3nzb8KXXbXNAPR1eFh5VTqJG9qy7dhmu2StCRDUKnBoq2l This video shows us easily reaching across the wind and making some up wind progress in pretty big winds and choppy seas. It was a really fun paddle sail. ua-cam.com/video/k-oO1D7qctA/v-deo.html
@@FalconSails It moves forward even against the headwind. Looking at the video, the sail is hardly operated, but the rudder is used to change the direction. Regarding the sail setting, it looks like the boards are laid out. By the way, it's okay if you don't have a leeboard or daggerboard.
@@umiari-yamaari You can make up wind progress with no lee board or dagger board or any lateral resistance enhancer. You can see up wind progress in most of the videos in my original reply to your original question. Here are are some examples. ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Kgjz69s6zUA/v-deo.html facebook.com/falconsails/posts/pfbid032zRhqeEixUGhmk7ECvA3nzb8KXXbXNAPR1eFh5VTqJG9qy7dhmu2StCRDUKnBoq2l ua-cam.com/video/k-oO1D7qctA/v-deo.html
Hi. I rode the v5 and v7 and love both. I am new to surf skis but experienced in the water from other kayaks. I don't know how to choose between v5 or 7?? Both same price. Any guidance really appreciated
We are not really experts at surf skis, but I can tell you the V5 is a easier boat to handle. If you are not sure it may be a good idea to gravitate to the v5 and use it for a few years, then consider a more difficult surf ski. Whatever kayak or surf ski you choose, we will be very happy to help you rig a sail on it. If you want to sail, I guess the V5 is the for sure go to boat.
I didn't realize a sail could be deployed that quickly. I think I need one...
They are easy to drop and securely stow on your deck as well.
If you would like a sail, you can play around with designs and see your options here.
www.falconsails.com/store
I can not imagine paddling without a good sail. They are too much fun, and too handy to have.
Pretty good balance 😊
Could you use this to go upwind, and then return back downwind? How well does the sail do if you roll into the water?
Yes you can. For those who would like a more complete explanation, I included more text below.
Feel free to call our shop and discuss your kayak and your situation to learn more.
www.falconsails.com/contact.php
Here is a more detailed answer.
========================================================
With zero paddling, you can make up wind progress above reaching across the wind of about 10 to 20 degrees on each tack or about 20 to 40 degrees of sailing above reaching.
That means you can straight up sail 200 (180+20) to 220 (180+40) degrees out of 360 degrees without paddling.
To keep things simple let’s say you can sail 200 out of 360 degrees without paddling. That means you can make up wind progress and sail across your lake back and forth and return quite a bit up wind of where you started. If you throw in a few paddle strokes, you can add a lot more degrees of upwind progress. If you have your sail up, and you are paddling a little bit to keep the sail properly oriented to the wind and have the bow pointed in the right direction with a little bit of hull speed, you will generate lateral resistance and useful sail propulsion. The more point your bow aggressively up wind, the more the laws of diminishing returns set in. In the end you can have useful sail propulsion as you paddle sail up to within 30 degrees of straight up wind. That means you can have useful sail propulsion in 300 out of 360 degrees. Just like with a dedicated sailboat, the benefits of sailing diminish as you point more aggressively up wind. Conditions must be good, and you must concentrate but you can gain useful propulsion on 300 out of 360 angles of attack. You will have to paddle, but you can have useful propulsion on 300 out of 360 degrees. If you do not want to paddle / want to be 100% sail propulsion you can sail 200 out of 360 degrees.
This video shows an up-wind leg I was enjoying on Lake Erie. As you can see it is a lot of fun.
ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html
I was making nice up wind progress, in my 14-foot-long Jackson Journey kayak. This kayak has a rounded hull bottom that will be beaten by most other kayaks hulls. So even the not so good kayaks sail pretty darn well.
This video shows me making up wind with no lee board or dagger board and almost zero paddling.
ua-cam.com/video/Kgjz69s6zUA/v-deo.html
This is a completely generic Kayak with a standard Falcon Sail on a moderate wind day. It includes some gps telemetry that makes it easy to see my actual movement. It shows me sailing more than 210 out of 360 possible degrees. Like I have said before the Jackson Journey I was paddling at the time is not the very best kayak for kayak sailing, but still performs great like most all kayaks do. I choose my kayaks based on what kayak I like with or without a sail. They all sail surprisingly well.
If I started paddling and kept the sail properly oriented to the wind and kept some motion to help the hull generate more lateral resistance, I could have had useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight up wind or 300 out of 360 angles of attack.
You can make good progress by paddling, but using the sail you can speed up faster, have a higher top end speed, will slow down slower, and require less effort to get to your destination.
Here is a nice October run where we were heading to Green Island at the West End of Lake Erie.
If you look at the waves you can see we were making nice upwind progress.
facebook.com/falconsails/posts/pfbid032zRhqeEixUGhmk7ECvA3nzb8KXXbXNAPR1eFh5VTqJG9qy7dhmu2StCRDUKnBoq2l
This video shows us easily reaching across the wind and making some up wind progress in big winds and choppy seas. It was a super fun paddle sail.
ua-cam.com/video/k-oO1D7qctA/v-deo.html
I am inspired. How far back from the bow is your mast step? Is that where you would put it if you had it to do again? Which rudder option are you using? Were you able to use the mast compression strut? If so, how did you get it inside the hull? If you installed an inspection port where did you put it? Sorry about all the questions but you appear to have been highly successful 😉
For surf skis you typically install a screw out deck plate in the area in front of your feet.
When you order a Falcon Sail with a complete rigging kit, the rigging kit will include everything you need for a easy and solid rigging job. If your boat rigging parts list has a screw out deck plate then it will be included with the kit when you order a Falcon Sail with a complete rigging kit.
Typically when someone rigs a Falcon Sail on their surf ski, you simply install the mast as far as you can conveniently reach into to the bow area using the access made with the screw out deck plate. The geometry of the access being in front of your feet plus a long reach, puts it in a great location where you will have freedom of paddle strokes and good sailing dynamics. It is also a great location for keeping the sail and mast out of the way when it is in the down position secured to the deck.
A good general rule of thumb with rudders is, what ever rudder you have (or do not have) on your kayak without a sail, will be a great rudder for kayak sailing as well.
So what ever rudder you may have now will be good. On my personal Epic 18x, I use rudder that comes stock with it. It is fine. Some of my boats have a Smart Track rudder with the small blade which are great. Some of my kayaks have no rudder at all and are fine without a sail and also with the sail.
The most important factor for steering and staying on course is balancing things out so the boat does not tend to turn up wind or down wind. Some times a rudder ends up being a crutch / sometimes people with rudders think their boat is in balance but it is not in balance and the rudder disguises an out of balance situation. There are a lot of great things you can do to balance out any boat. If you stay anywhere near the range I mentioned above your boat will be in nice balance. If you have a rudder you can use a rudder you can set the paddle down and steer with your feet.
Would this work on a V5? Looks like alot of fun and useful for longer range journeys. Nice work.
Yes it would work on a Epic V5. The best thing to do is call the Falcon Sails shop and have a discussion about the the otpions.
www.falconsails.com/contact.php
The V5 is a great sailing surfski. You would really like it. This can be had for just 3 pounds total and can be removed from the surf skin in less than 30 seconds.
Does the falcon sail go diagonally forward in headwinds like a normal yacht?
You can make impressive up wind progress for adding a 3.5 pound Falcon Sail rig to any kayak.
Of course this is not entirely like a normal yacht.
Here is a more full answer.
You can make up wind progress above reaching across the wind of about 10 to 25 degrees on each tack or about 20 to 50 degrees of sailing above reaching.
That means you can straight up sail 200 (180+20) to 230 (180+50) degrees out of 360 degrees without paddling.
To keep things simple let’s say you can sail 215 out of 360 degrees without paddling. That means you can make up wind progress and sail across your lake back and forth and make up wind progress as you go forward. If you throw in a few paddle strokes, you can add a lot more degrees of sailing where you achieve useful propulsion. If you have your sail up, and you are paddling a little bit to keep the sail properly oriented to the wind and have the bow pointed in the right direction with a little bit of hull speed, you will generate lateral resistance and useful sail propulsion. The laws of diminishing returns will set in the more aggressively you point up wind. The more point your bow aggressively up wind, the more the laws of diminishing returns set in. In the end you can have useful sail propulsion as you paddle sail up to within 30 degrees of straight up wind. That means you can have useful sail propulsion in 300 out of 360 degrees.
This video shows an up wind leg I was enjoying not long ago. It is a lot of fun.
ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html
I was making nice up wind progress, in my 14 foot long Jackson Journey kayak.
This kayak has a rounded hull bottom that will be beat by most other kayaks hulls.
So even the not so good kayaks sail pretty darn well.
This video shows me sailing up wind with no lee board or dagger board and almost zero paddling.
ua-cam.com/video/Kgjz69s6zUA/v-deo.html
It includes some really neat gps telemetry that makes it easy to see my actual movement.
It shows me sailing more than 210 out of 360 possible degrees.
If I started paddling and kept the sail oriented to the wind properly, and kept some motion to help my stock hull generate more lateral resistance, I could have had useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight up wind or 300 out of 360 angles of attack.
This is very similar to motor sailing a sail boat. The motor alone can push the sail boat, but using the sail it will speed up faster, have a higher top end speed, will slow down slower, and require less effort to get to your destination.
Here is a nice October run where we were heading to Green Island at the West End of Lake Erie.
If you look at the waves you can see we were making nice upwind progress.
facebook.com/falconsails/posts/pfbid032zRhqeEixUGhmk7ECvA3nzb8KXXbXNAPR1eFh5VTqJG9qy7dhmu2StCRDUKnBoq2l
This video shows us easily reaching across the wind and making some up wind progress in pretty big winds and choppy seas. It was a really fun paddle sail.
ua-cam.com/video/k-oO1D7qctA/v-deo.html
@@FalconSails It moves forward even against the headwind.
Looking at the video, the sail is hardly operated, but the rudder is used to change the direction.
Regarding the sail setting, it looks like the boards are laid out.
By the way, it's okay if you don't have a leeboard or daggerboard.
@@umiari-yamaari You can make up wind progress with no lee board or dagger board or any lateral resistance enhancer.
You can see up wind progress in most of the videos in my original reply to your original question.
Here are are some examples.
ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Kgjz69s6zUA/v-deo.html
facebook.com/falconsails/posts/pfbid032zRhqeEixUGhmk7ECvA3nzb8KXXbXNAPR1eFh5VTqJG9qy7dhmu2StCRDUKnBoq2l
ua-cam.com/video/k-oO1D7qctA/v-deo.html
What sail is that?
creative!
Hi. I rode the v5 and v7 and love both. I am new to surf skis but experienced in the water from other kayaks. I don't know how to choose between v5 or 7?? Both same price. Any guidance really appreciated
We are not really experts at surf skis, but I can tell you the V5 is a easier boat to handle. If you are not sure it may be a good idea to gravitate to the v5 and use it for a few years, then consider a more difficult surf ski. Whatever kayak or surf ski you choose, we will be very happy to help you rig a sail on it. If you want to sail, I guess the V5 is the for sure go to boat.