I've changed cams on 6 pf these affected bikes and only one of the bikes had wear and i would have recommend changing the cams. The bike had 52kbmiles on it so i dont blame the cam for wearing out. The other 5 looked abou5 like the ones in this video, still changed them and got ktm to pay tor the labor cost on all of them and on two of the bile ktm paid for the cams. Its sad that KTM has had this problem but honestly i dont think it is as bad as the hype. Nowadays the internet and people only reporting the bad stuff k8nd makes it seem worse than it really is. The Stark bike is an awesome bike for sure but itll never replace the ICE. The range of ICE bikes will always be superior to electric bikes. If you ride more than a few hours then the Stark bike isnt for you. Of you ride hard and fast for 45min to 1 hour then are done for the day hell the Stark is freaking your bike. It's got so much power and the ride os actually pretty darn good. Hope you have a great teip and enjoy your trip.
Thanks for the comment! I think people with a more balanced view such as this one rarely end up commenting on the cam issue, so we end up just seeing the anger and hate, and the problem seems way worse than it is. I have a dozen friends with these bikes and no one has had the cam issues. I agree with you 100% on the Stark. It will never replace the gas bikes but it sure would be nice to add one to the stable alongside them.
@@ehbean I have 20,000 miles on my 21 890R. Will be inspecting cams/checking valve clearance soon. My dealer sold 14 of these in 2021 , not a one has come back with bad cams. And yet online people are on the war path and all KTM's are junk and KTM is out to get them and were all screwed and gonna die anyway.................and so on. Mine runs great. Starts great. If the cams were fried the clearances would have closed up, or am I wrong? Its a fun,fun bike!
Why did you change all those cams out? If they were fine? Just because KTM would pay? I really dont get this idea of a new cam is somehow better than the old cam. Its all due to internet fanatics pushing an agenda. I know that some of these bikes do smoke cams. Its a very small%.
I only changed them because I had it all apart and the cams on hand. Plus I was about to embark on a trip from Toronto to Mexico, so the fresh parts added some piece of mind. By the time I had it all apart with my friend there to help, I figured I may as well go through with the whole process.
Excellent video! I so wish I had had this 2 years ago when I dealt with my 2019 790R camshaft. Lessons learned: #1) The reason my camshaft suffered premature wear was due to a plugged oil jet which ruined the #2 cylinder exhaust camshaft lobe. In your video you guys discovered the “fix” KTM added in 2020 which was the added an oil screen to the cylinder head. This was added to prevent tiny metal fragments from plugging the oil jet.) #2) I blew up my original motor due to improper re-setting and installation of the hydraulic chain tensioner. After 500 miles the timing chain skipped going up a mountain pass at 80mph. I am now on motor #2, a slightly used 2020 Duke 790. I took a gamble that it would fit my 790R and now have over 10,000 miles on it. #3) I love seeing the tools you guys are using. The camera endoscope is an awesome way to see the flywheel marks to lock in Top Dead Center. Also, the magnet tool for changing the valve shims. #4) Great to hear you will be riding into Copper Canyon. I look forward to seeing your trip. I ride my 790R from Seattle to Cabo and back each winter (6,000 miles) and have ridden central Mexico. I will value having this video when I do my next valve check, next year. Thanks!
@dwb3450 - thanks for the kind words and sharing your lessons! I'm fortunate to have a friend like Shawn because I never would have been able to do that myself. I'm hoping to have a valve check video out in the spring when I get the bike back to Canada. I'm working on the Canada to Mexico videos now and I'm hoping to start releasing them in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks for putting this together. I've seen a few videos on checking the clearance on these engines but none have gone into as much detail as this one on setting the number 2 exhaust followers and the clip after reinstalling the cam bridge - thats the part I'm most scared about as I've heard of people knocking the shims out of place when moving the followers over! Having seen it all opened up and in detail I'm not so worried now, though it definitely looks easier to do with the radiator removed. Cheers for the video!
I'm happy you liked it! I'm fortunate to know a good mechanic that was willing to be a part of it. This was my first attempt at making this type of video and I already want to fix so much of it 😅. I've learned how to improve the resolution, contrast and audio so I'll try to get an updated version out before the winter.
Just did my 2021 890 Duke R a week ago. The procedures and specs. are identical for both bikes. My bike is at 9000 miles. My cam wear is identical to yours. About the same amount and in the same places. Yes, the video makes it look worse than what it is. I'm leaving mine for another 10k miles, then I'll look again. Same as you in that there was no debris in the block oil screen. I was expecting it to be full because I had quite a few metal shavings the first couple of oil changes on the drain plug magnets. Another good practice is to use assembly lube in the cam lobes, followers / cam levers and journals. I didn't use the oem hydraulic cam chain tensioner. I used a manual cam chain tensioner. That whole shift of the cam levers/followers for the exhaust on cylinder 2 was odd. Never had to deal with that on any other bike. I have a hard time shifting them back in to place. I found the best way which made it easy....is to use a magnet. The same type y'all used to retrieve the shims. Those darn levers (hard to explain this) have to be ever-so-slightly rocked up before they will shift over. Y'all were smart to just remove the radiator and that air damn that is behind the radiator and over the valve cover. Did y'all also remove the ABS unit? On my Duke it is right there about 8 inches above the engine attached to where the upper frame intersects at the neck. Does the bike feel any different the way it runs?
We used assembly oil as you described but I didn't film it. I learned a lot filming and editing this video and it'll be much better the next time around. The radiator was actually the reason I delved into this whole thing. It sprung a leak and I figured I may as well check the cams since it's all tore down. I didn't remove the abs unit, but I did unbolt it and pulled it up for more room. The motor has been running great ever since. I've put 15000km on it with a couple big trips in the last 3 months with no motor issues. I'm having it shipped back to Canada from Mexico and I plan to do an inspection video once it's back. Thanks for the detailed comment!
@@ehbean Glad to hear it is running good! I have little doubt as y'all did a good job! You did a better job of filming this than about 99% of these type videos! You should good detailed and well lit shots of what you were working on and talking about. Good explanations. The sound was good as well.
They really weren't all that bad. I'm m still happy to know I have new ones in there though. If you know anyone that wants a used set send them my way ;)
The cams are fine, they barely show even normal wear. No point dwelling on that now. I have no idea why this was all done, the cams can be easily inspected in place. If the followers are still fine, then the cams were fine. Those used cams can be sold on ebay easily.
I know it looks like there's a lot of crud there, but it was all cleaned and wiped down with cleaner, wiped and blown with an air compressor. All the brown is stains from fun in the mud.
OK. For the record. I called my local KTM shop service manager to schedule a valve adj inspection. He said if it runs same as new, sounds same as new, oil looks great, it doesnt need anything. 20,000 miles on it. They have sold around 15 a year of these twins since the 790's came out. 1 bike has needed two valves adjusted at 30,000 miles. Many have had the valve adj inspection. None have had smoked cams. Its 400.00 to have the inspection done, but he says just ride it. The internet is doing what it does, freaking people out making them think every KTM made is junk. The more you hang out on youtube the worse this will be. The internet can ruin a wet dream. KTM is paying for any smoked cams/heads/valves and labor. Freak out to your hearts desire, these are fun bikes Im gonna ride mine into the ground
I'm 100% with you. Since this video i did a 3000km trip to Northern Ontario, then rode to Mexico. So I've nearly put 15000km on it in the last 2 months and absolutely love it.
@330timunson5 Ya! Cams were fine. I've never inspected cams before so I thought the slight discoloration was the worn in groove. Changed them anyway since I already had new ones. I hear there's a great video out there that I haven't seen yet that explains why some bikes have the issue and others don't, something with the oil passages.
@muelmanu - I ordered the cams after inspecting them myself and I didn't know what I was looking at. I thought the discoloration was wear. When my knowledgeable friend came to help change them I already had the parts, so I swapped them anyway as I was about to leave on a very long ride (Toronto to Mexico). There wasn't an underlying wear issue, hence, they didn't really need to be changed. I only did it for piece of mind. All of this hate I've been seeing for this bike made me realize... If you're the kind of person that expects to buy a motorcycle, ride it for years with minimal maintenance and never have to fix anything, then this bike isn't for you. Buy an XR or a KLR. As great as those bikes are, I personally find them boring, slow and terribly under-suspended. With any vehicle, you pay for performance in one way or another.
Good video. For those who adjust their own valves, I’d be careful about removing that cam bridge without first putting cyl 2 on TDC compression and sliding the exhaust followers over (per service manual). Otherwise you risk breaking the cam bridge because it will be under pressure as you remove it. I think you didn’t do that as it looked like the clip was still in place when the bridge was removed.
I began this whole ordeal (checking the cams) because I had to replace a leaky rad. Since I already had the tank and rad off, and I was at almost 27000km I figured I may as well check the valves.
I think because I come from an MX and Enduro background rebuilding a motor every couple of years doesn't really bother me. It's normal to go through motors on those bikes. I've realized through this experience that road riders are ready to take up arms if they don't get a 20 years and 100000 miles out of their motors.
@@ehbeanfunny I think exactly the same, gonna buy me an 890R and if the cams fail I rebuild the head. If possible with aftermarket cams. No other / reliable brand has bikes that are as much fun as a ktm 😊 Indeed used to more maintenance due to years of motocross racing. Have raced 125’s that needed a piston every 8 hours and a new big end every 50 hours 😂😂😂
customers making excuses for a defective product and happily throwing more money at the manufacturers for replacement parts every time the engine goes bad is a complete dream for KTM
@@wernerxldata don't do it! They WILL fail because the motor has a faulty oil passages design. You don't want to open that engine every 10-20k kms or 6-12K miles
It's a 2021. Your cold start issue - does it just take a few punches at the button when it's cold out, or does it keep turning over for a while and not start?
Exhaust spec is .0059-.0079. You set them to .006 which means they are at the bare minimum if gap closure is an issue and possible cause of premature wear wouldn’t you want to set them at the max instead of the min? Honest question, not a trap or looking for an argument. Really just wanting to understand your thought process.
That's a very good question. Spec is spec, the goal of checking the clearance is being within the range. Although it was close, it was in range. It is acceptable. It also goes by feel, and at the setting I chose it wasn't a super tight feel. Also, if I remember correctly, I was out of an the next shim down . We will be checking the clearances on this engine way before the recommended time. So being a bit tight is okay
I should clarify as well, I edited this down the best I could to include all of the info to help people that want to tackle it themselves, while keeping it short enough to remain watchable. There was a lot done that day that didn't make the final cut, we pulled the cams back out a few times and re-checked and set the clearances, so in the end it may have been a slightly different setting within the spec.
Good video Bean. Audio is very good. Instructions from your partner are very easy to understand. And the end result is good. I just wonder about the little choppiness. Did you record at 24, 30 or 60 fps in the Gopro ? And then when you exported the finished video, was it again 24, 30 or 60? I don't know what could be causing the little bit of choppiness. Other than that, it's a very good instructional piece of work. Thumbs up buddy !!
Thanks for the feedback! I recorded and 60fps, and had a steep learning curve with the free version of Davinci Resolve. I think you're on to something with the frame rate choppiness. I need to get the full version and a better suited pc for the next one so I can edit at full res + frame rate.
@@ehbean Definitely need a decent PC. I don't know that buying Resolve at $400 is going to help. The only difference between the free version and the paid version is that the paid version allows you to use a GPU for decoding. I know I bought it. I ended going with the Blackmagic Design Davinci Resolve Speed Editor Bundle with Davinci Resolve 17 Studio version at $627 plus tax. I do have quite a hefty PC so it's not an issue processing. Decoding with a GPU cut my processing time down quite a bit. Where it took 30 minutes to encode and decode my 45 minute videos, now it processes them in about 7 minutes. But it doesn't do anything for the quality of the video itself.
Primo video Bean ! Shawn’ies the man ! Incredible knowledge & stunning forearm definition…. BTW who was that tard that didn’t seat the cleat side properly on his 1090 air box ;)
Haha, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Yes the cam problem is real, but I think the amount of hate and anger that is bubbling on the forums is more reflective of the nature of the internet than the actual magnitude of the problem.
Its WAY more real on the internet than it is in real life. WAY. The only ones who chime in, have a problem the rest, are out riding having a blast. People singing this cam thing to the rafters ARE yahoos, they love bad news and magnify it 100%.
I've heard that a lot but I'm happy with mine. I was careful when I installed it. I do a lot of long distance off road and I think it's maybe a comfort thing. I can change them easily on the road and carry spares. I come from dirt bikes so it's familiar to me.
Too bad you didn't crank it over to check the flow on the squirters before closing it up. The other KTM models will practically squirt you in the eye and have no problem with cams/followers. The one video I've seen on a 790, they just drooled.
Interesting. I'll try that for sure when I open it back up. I just finished a trip where I put 12000 km on it so I'm planning on opening it up for a good inspection as soon as I get it shipped back from Mexico.
They were! I didn't know what I was looking for and thought the minor wear was "the cam issue". Unfortunately my buddy Shawn lives 5 hours away, and the cams looked worse in the photos I sent. Ahh well, they're even better now, lol.
Oh nooooooooooooo. You bought new cams before they were even checked? Why................what.............damn. On a whim? Those cams look fine. KTM wont replace them for free looking like that. (use air compressor to blow debris out from around plugs before they come out)
The gentleman doing the work is the knowledgeable one, and he lives 5 hours away. I looked at them and they were discolored, I obviously had no idea what i was looking at 😅. Ahh well, I learned lots of lessons here.
@@ehbean If you say they were discolored, OK. Cams usually are a little discolored because they get used. I tried to have the local shop do valve adj on my 890R? He said if it sounds like new leave it alone. They never need adjusting. Since the 790's came out they have adjusted 2 valves , total.......they have never seen a smoked cam, not yet. And have sold a lot of these bikes. The internet thinks all 790/890 bikes have smoked cams. Not a good place to get facts.
I can always use some personal growth but I assume you mean my filming capabilities - that also needs some work, haha. This was my first "how to" video and I definitely made some mistakes. Thanks for the honest feedback :)
denial is real Keep Taking Money is the real story of ktm for 15 years so far , i dont think the fanboys know what a reliable manufacturer is . Are the wheel bearings still cheese on the Motocross and Enduro bikes
I can only speak to my personal experience...I've owned KTM's Betas, Yamahas and Kawi's in the last 15 years. All moto and Enduro, this is my first adv bike. They're all fun bikes and have their own issues. The "your brand sucks" take is as old as bikes themselves and doesn't hold much water. Ive never had an abnormal wheel bearing issue on any of my KTM's. I've also never had an issue with a manufacturer because I keep a good relationship with the dealers I buy from.
I've changed cams on 6 pf these affected bikes and only one of the bikes had wear and i would have recommend changing the cams. The bike had 52kbmiles on it so i dont blame the cam for wearing out. The other 5 looked abou5 like the ones in this video, still changed them and got ktm to pay tor the labor cost on all of them and on two of the bile ktm paid for the cams. Its sad that KTM has had this problem but honestly i dont think it is as bad as the hype. Nowadays the internet and people only reporting the bad stuff k8nd makes it seem worse than it really is. The Stark bike is an awesome bike for sure but itll never replace the ICE. The range of ICE bikes will always be superior to electric bikes. If you ride more than a few hours then the Stark bike isnt for you. Of you ride hard and fast for 45min to 1 hour then are done for the day hell the Stark is freaking your bike. It's got so much power and the ride os actually pretty darn good. Hope you have a great teip and enjoy your trip.
Thanks for the comment! I think people with a more balanced view such as this one rarely end up commenting on the cam issue, so we end up just seeing the anger and hate, and the problem seems way worse than it is. I have a dozen friends with these bikes and no one has had the cam issues.
I agree with you 100% on the Stark. It will never replace the gas bikes but it sure would be nice to add one to the stable alongside them.
@@ehbean I have 20,000 miles on my 21 890R. Will be inspecting cams/checking valve clearance soon.
My dealer sold 14 of these in 2021 , not a one has come back with bad cams.
And yet online people are on the war path and all KTM's are junk and KTM is out to get them and were all screwed and gonna die anyway.................and so on. Mine runs great. Starts great.
If the cams were fried the clearances would have closed up, or am I wrong? Its a fun,fun bike!
Why did you change all those cams out? If they were fine? Just because KTM would pay? I really dont get this idea of a new cam is somehow better than the old cam. Its all due to internet fanatics pushing an agenda. I know that some of these bikes do smoke cams. Its a very small%.
I only changed them because I had it all apart and the cams on hand. Plus I was about to embark on a trip from Toronto to Mexico, so the fresh parts added some piece of mind. By the time I had it all apart with my friend there to help, I figured I may as well go through with the whole process.
Excellent video! I so wish I had had this 2 years ago when I dealt with my 2019 790R camshaft. Lessons learned: #1) The reason my camshaft suffered premature wear was due to a plugged oil jet which ruined the #2 cylinder exhaust camshaft lobe. In your video you guys discovered the “fix” KTM added in 2020 which was the added an oil screen to the cylinder head. This was added to prevent tiny metal fragments from plugging the oil jet.) #2) I blew up my original motor due to improper re-setting and installation of the hydraulic chain tensioner. After 500 miles the timing chain skipped going up a mountain pass at 80mph. I am now on motor #2, a slightly used 2020 Duke 790. I took a gamble that it would fit my 790R and now have over 10,000 miles on it. #3) I love seeing the tools you guys are using. The camera endoscope is an awesome way to see the flywheel marks to lock in Top Dead Center. Also, the magnet tool for changing the valve shims. #4) Great to hear you will be riding into Copper Canyon. I look forward to seeing your trip. I ride my 790R from Seattle to Cabo and back each winter (6,000 miles) and have ridden central Mexico. I will value having this video when I do my next valve check, next year. Thanks!
@dwb3450 - thanks for the kind words and sharing your lessons! I'm fortunate to have a friend like Shawn because I never would have been able to do that myself. I'm hoping to have a valve check video out in the spring when I get the bike back to Canada. I'm working on the Canada to Mexico videos now and I'm hoping to start releasing them in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks for putting this together. I've seen a few videos on checking the clearance on these engines but none have gone into as much detail as this one on setting the number 2 exhaust followers and the clip after reinstalling the cam bridge - thats the part I'm most scared about as I've heard of people knocking the shims out of place when moving the followers over!
Having seen it all opened up and in detail I'm not so worried now, though it definitely looks easier to do with the radiator removed.
Cheers for the video!
I'm happy you liked it! I'm fortunate to know a good mechanic that was willing to be a part of it. This was my first attempt at making this type of video and I already want to fix so much of it 😅. I've learned how to improve the resolution, contrast and audio so I'll try to get an updated version out before the winter.
Just did my 2021 890 Duke R a week ago. The procedures and specs. are identical for both bikes. My bike is at 9000 miles. My cam wear is identical to yours. About the same amount and in the same places. Yes, the video makes it look worse than what it is. I'm leaving mine for another 10k miles, then I'll look again. Same as you in that there was no debris in the block oil screen. I was expecting it to be full because I had quite a few metal shavings the first couple of oil changes on the drain plug magnets. Another good practice is to use assembly lube in the cam lobes, followers / cam levers and journals. I didn't use the oem hydraulic cam chain tensioner. I used a manual cam chain tensioner. That whole shift of the cam levers/followers for the exhaust on cylinder 2 was odd. Never had to deal with that on any other bike. I have a hard time shifting them back in to place. I found the best way which made it easy....is to use a magnet. The same type y'all used to retrieve the shims. Those darn levers (hard to explain this) have to be ever-so-slightly rocked up before they will shift over. Y'all were smart to just remove the radiator and that air damn that is behind the radiator and over the valve cover. Did y'all also remove the ABS unit? On my Duke it is right there about 8 inches above the engine attached to where the upper frame intersects at the neck. Does the bike feel any different the way it runs?
We used assembly oil as you described but I didn't film it. I learned a lot filming and editing this video and it'll be much better the next time around. The radiator was actually the reason I delved into this whole thing. It sprung a leak and I figured I may as well check the cams since it's all tore down. I didn't remove the abs unit, but I did unbolt it and pulled it up for more room. The motor has been running great ever since. I've put 15000km on it with a couple big trips in the last 3 months with no motor issues. I'm having it shipped back to Canada from Mexico and I plan to do an inspection video once it's back. Thanks for the detailed comment!
@@ehbean Glad to hear it is running good! I have little doubt as y'all did a good job! You did a better job of filming this than about 99% of these type videos! You should good detailed and well lit shots of what you were working on and talking about. Good explanations. The sound was good as well.
Wow those camshafts you took out look good I see the black plastic part of the thimble filter screen in the cylinder head paid off @ 12:38
They really weren't all that bad. I'm m still happy to know I have new ones in there though. If you know anyone that wants a used set send them my way ;)
The cams are fine, they barely show even normal wear. No point dwelling on that now.
I have no idea why this was all done, the cams can be easily inspected in place.
If the followers are still fine, then the cams were fine.
Those used cams can be sold on ebay easily.
Awesome video, knowledgeable guy. One issue is that all that crud on the harness above the engine is without a doubt falling into the top end...
I know it looks like there's a lot of crud there, but it was all cleaned and wiped down with cleaner, wiped and blown with an air compressor. All the brown is stains from fun in the mud.
OK. For the record. I called my local KTM shop service manager to schedule a valve adj inspection.
He said if it runs same as new, sounds same as new, oil looks great, it doesnt need anything.
20,000 miles on it.
They have sold around 15 a year of these twins since the 790's came out. 1 bike has needed two valves adjusted at 30,000 miles. Many have had the valve adj inspection.
None have had smoked cams. Its 400.00 to have the inspection done, but he says just ride it.
The internet is doing what it does, freaking people out making them think every KTM made is junk.
The more you hang out on youtube the worse this will be.
The internet can ruin a wet dream. KTM is paying for any smoked cams/heads/valves and labor.
Freak out to your hearts desire, these are fun bikes Im gonna ride mine into the ground
I'm 100% with you. Since this video i did a 3000km trip to Northern Ontario, then rode to Mexico. So I've nearly put 15000km on it in the last 2 months and absolutely love it.
@@ehbean They ARE amazing bikes! The smoothest best running engine ever. Im not selling the thing. People are scared away from them by the internet.
Good video. How many miles on your engine when you put new cams in ?
Just under 27000km
Cams looked ok ? That’s 16/17,000 miles. They probably would last forever. Not worried to much about mine . 🇬🇧👍
@330timunson5 Ya! Cams were fine. I've never inspected cams before so I thought the slight discoloration was the worn in groove. Changed them anyway since I already had new ones. I hear there's a great video out there that I haven't seen yet that explains why some bikes have the issue and others don't, something with the oil passages.
Why change the cams when they are still okay?
And how will new cams fix the underlying problem of the wear on em?
@muelmanu - I ordered the cams after inspecting them myself and I didn't know what I was looking at. I thought the discoloration was wear. When my knowledgeable friend came to help change them I already had the parts, so I swapped them anyway as I was about to leave on a very long ride (Toronto to Mexico). There wasn't an underlying wear issue, hence, they didn't really need to be changed. I only did it for piece of mind. All of this hate I've been seeing for this bike made me realize... If you're the kind of person that expects to buy a motorcycle, ride it for years with minimal maintenance and never have to fix anything, then this bike isn't for you. Buy an XR or a KLR. As great as those bikes are, I personally find them boring, slow and terribly under-suspended. With any vehicle, you pay for performance in one way or another.
Well done. Good vid. 😊
Thank you! I've learned a lot about editing since making this and I hope to make an updated version when Shawn does another motor.
Good video. For those who adjust their own valves, I’d be careful about removing that cam bridge without first putting cyl 2 on TDC compression and sliding the exhaust followers over (per service manual). Otherwise you risk breaking the cam bridge because it will be under pressure as you remove it. I think you didn’t do that as it looked like the clip was still in place when the bridge was removed.
Thanks for the info!
Havent been through this yet on mine. Did you have to take the radiator off to get this done?
You don't have to take the radiator off, but it makes the job quite a bit easier if you do
I began this whole ordeal (checking the cams) because I had to replace a leaky rad. Since I already had the tank and rad off, and I was at almost 27000km I figured I may as well check the valves.
Issue is doesn't matter how many times you change, engine design will have it reoccurring. Shame, such a good bike.
I think because I come from an MX and Enduro background rebuilding a motor every couple of years doesn't really bother me. It's normal to go through motors on those bikes. I've realized through this experience that road riders are ready to take up arms if they don't get a 20 years and 100000 miles out of their motors.
@@ehbeanfunny I think exactly the same, gonna buy me an 890R and if the cams fail I rebuild the head. If possible with aftermarket cams. No other / reliable brand has bikes that are as much fun as a ktm 😊
Indeed used to more maintenance due to years of motocross racing. Have raced 125’s that needed a piston every 8 hours and a new big end every 50 hours 😂😂😂
customers making excuses for a defective product and happily throwing more money at the manufacturers for replacement parts every time the engine goes bad is a complete dream for KTM
@@wernerxldata don't do it! They WILL fail because the motor has a faulty oil passages design. You don't want to open that engine every 10-20k kms or 6-12K miles
@@C_R_O_M________ Name me one bike that is comparable to an 890R, I already have a Street Triple RS, not the same ;)
how many Km's were on this engine?
27000km. FYI I am now at 31000 and it's been great!
What year is your bike ? I have a 2022 with 560 miles on it and have the hard cold start issues….
It's a 2021. Your cold start issue - does it just take a few punches at the button when it's cold out, or does it keep turning over for a while and not start?
Exhaust spec is .0059-.0079. You set them to .006 which means they are at the bare minimum if gap closure is an issue and possible cause of premature wear wouldn’t you want to set them at the max instead of the min? Honest question, not a trap or looking for an argument. Really just wanting to understand your thought process.
That's a very good question. Spec is spec, the goal of checking the clearance is being within the range. Although it was close, it was in range. It is acceptable. It also goes by feel, and at the setting I chose it wasn't a super tight feel. Also, if I remember correctly, I was out of an the next shim down . We will be checking the clearances on this engine way before the recommended time. So being a bit tight is okay
I should clarify as well, I edited this down the best I could to include all of the info to help people that want to tackle it themselves, while keeping it short enough to remain watchable. There was a lot done that day that didn't make the final cut, we pulled the cams back out a few times and re-checked and set the clearances, so in the end it may have been a slightly different setting within the spec.
@@ehbean thank you for the video. I’m going to open mine this weekend and check so I’m just trying to do my research ahead of time.
@@shawnrichardson1067 thank for the reply
Good video Bean. Audio is very good. Instructions from your partner are very easy to understand. And the end result is good. I just wonder about the little choppiness. Did you record at 24, 30 or 60 fps in the Gopro ? And then when you exported the finished video, was it again 24, 30 or 60? I don't know what could be causing the little bit of choppiness. Other than that, it's a very good instructional piece of work. Thumbs up buddy !!
Thanks for the feedback! I recorded and 60fps, and had a steep learning curve with the free version of Davinci Resolve. I think you're on to something with the frame rate choppiness. I need to get the full version and a better suited pc for the next one so I can edit at full res + frame rate.
@@ehbean Definitely need a decent PC. I don't know that buying Resolve at $400 is going to help. The only difference between the free version and the paid version is that the paid version allows you to use a GPU for decoding. I know I bought it. I ended going with the Blackmagic Design Davinci Resolve Speed Editor Bundle with Davinci Resolve 17 Studio version at $627 plus tax. I do have quite a hefty PC so it's not an issue processing. Decoding with a GPU cut my processing time down quite a bit. Where it took 30 minutes to encode and decode my 45 minute videos, now it processes them in about 7 minutes. But it doesn't do anything for the quality of the video itself.
@TheDirtyBirchTrails it has a maximum export quality. It won't let me export any higher tha 1260 30fps
@@ehbean could be a wrong setting in the Project setting under the Master setting.
@@TheDirtyBirchTrailsI'll take a look at that for the next one for sure! I have lots to learn
Primo video Bean ! Shawn’ies the man ! Incredible knowledge & stunning forearm definition…. BTW who was that tard that didn’t seat the cleat side properly on his 1090 air box ;)
I wish I remembered but the damn audio cut out 😅
What do you mean, “all the yahoos on the KTM forums”? You make it sound like they are making a big deal out of nothing. The cam problem is real
Haha, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Yes the cam problem is real, but I think the amount of hate and anger that is bubbling on the forums is more reflective of the nature of the internet than the actual magnitude of the problem.
Its WAY more real on the internet than it is in real life. WAY. The only ones who chime in, have a problem the rest, are out riding having a blast.
People singing this cam thing to the rafters ARE yahoos, they love bad news and magnify it 100%.
@@ehbean You nailed that one. People are in love with attacking KTM. Like an industry. My 890R is solid no problems what so ever, funnest bike ever!
Lotta guys wrecked parts with Rottweiler intake. In several different ways.
Run it stock.
I've heard that a lot but I'm happy with mine. I was careful when I installed it. I do a lot of long distance off road and I think it's maybe a comfort thing. I can change them easily on the road and carry spares. I come from dirt bikes so it's familiar to me.
@@ehbean I run a pre filter on the stock airbox, with a well greased UNI filter. Seems fine. Always clean inner airbox.
Too bad you didn't crank it over to check the flow on the squirters before closing it up. The other KTM models will practically squirt you in the eye and have no problem with cams/followers. The one video I've seen on a 790, they just drooled.
Interesting. I'll try that for sure when I open it back up. I just finished a trip where I put 12000 km on it so I'm planning on opening it up for a good inspection as soon as I get it shipped back from Mexico.
Damn that bike is beating you to death 😳 lol
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Your original cams where fine
They were! I didn't know what I was looking for and thought the minor wear was "the cam issue". Unfortunately my buddy Shawn lives 5 hours away, and the cams looked worse in the photos I sent. Ahh well, they're even better now, lol.
@@ehbean @ how much money and time? Cams can be inspected with out coming out.
I really wonder.
A day's "work" and some gas money for my friend. All in all not too bad.
Oh nooooooooooooo. You bought new cams before they were even checked? Why................what.............damn. On a whim?
Those cams look fine.
KTM wont replace them for free looking like that. (use air compressor to blow debris out from around plugs before they come out)
The gentleman doing the work is the knowledgeable one, and he lives 5 hours away. I looked at them and they were discolored, I obviously had no idea what i was looking at 😅. Ahh well, I learned lots of lessons here.
@@ehbean If you say they were discolored, OK. Cams usually are a little discolored because they get used. I tried to have the local shop do valve adj on my 890R? He said if it sounds like new leave it alone. They never need adjusting. Since the 790's came out they have adjusted 2 valves , total.......they have never seen a smoked cam, not yet. And have sold a lot of these bikes. The internet thinks all 790/890 bikes have smoked cams. Not a good place to get facts.
I agree! It's a learning experience for me
"I'm no engineer"
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You will put new cams in every 10,000 miles. The block is bad for oil ..
We'll see! The cams were good at 16500 miles. I replaced them prematurely
@@ehbean would never buy those bikes , KTM is on the way out , too many company issues.
@@RT-tn4ry they will still be here long after youre gone
@@donkeizluv Ya and worn down to a nub , !!!
@@donkeizluv Buy a KTM and you are a MORON !!!
Hopefully I got the timing right 😮lol. Good job.
Haha! Thanks man!
I was trying to make @ehbean nervous but he's as cool as a cucumber
Nice video, very informative - but the cameraman still needs to work on himself
I can always use some personal growth but I assume you mean my filming capabilities - that also needs some work, haha. This was my first "how to" video and I definitely made some mistakes. Thanks for the honest feedback :)
denial is real Keep Taking Money is the real story of ktm for 15 years so far , i dont think the fanboys know what a reliable manufacturer is . Are the wheel bearings still cheese on the Motocross and Enduro bikes
I can only speak to my personal experience...I've owned KTM's Betas, Yamahas and Kawi's in the last 15 years. All moto and Enduro, this is my first adv bike. They're all fun bikes and have their own issues. The "your brand sucks" take is as old as bikes themselves and doesn't hold much water. Ive never had an abnormal wheel bearing issue on any of my KTM's. I've also never had an issue with a manufacturer because I keep a good relationship with the dealers I buy from.