Black Conservatives: Racism doesn't even exist anymore. In order to prove this I will describe acts of racism that happened to me that I don't call racism because my worldview won't allow me to call it that.
@@bradyfett2003It literally happened in the video’s first 20 minutes, the guy in red described a white peer denigrating his achievements and assuming that he just got in through AA. I don’t know why you’d lie when it’s so trivially disprovable lol
@@bradyfett2003literally seen at least 3 of the Republican presidential nominees do this. Give an example of racism they or their parents suffered and then deny racism is a thing anymore.
Yeah well it’s because Vaush is an opportunistic propagandist who will spin attention and credit away from more superior men and women with better ideas.
"Why is Obama in the same party that started the KKK and opposed the civil rights act?" Maybe it's because of the party switch that you keep denying happened? Conservatives literally can get answers to their questions and then just ignore them when it debunks their stupid talking points.
It's always fun to note that the new deal guy was also one of the solid south guys. The switch supposedly happened well after the new deal era after all, although Republicans have been supporting equal rights amendments all the way into the 90's, with Dem's shutting it down, so I guess the switch happened in the early 90's? You know, right before the Dem's tripled the rate black people go to prison, thank you Clinton.
I have to believe he got challenged on that and Jubilee just edited it out. There's no way someone just gets to lie like that for three hours and nobody said anything.
@@alexbennet4195 Yes those were the 'debates' but the show is called "middle ground", implying that there's a reasonable middle position. America literally did the "reasonable centrist" bs when it drew up the ⅗ compromise and the Mason Dixon Line.
Man, I always find these so stressful to watch because I see people that need to be called a dumbfuck just get to go on without being branded a dumbass
I think that's kind of the point of these shows. To make false equivalency between the left and right and make dumbfuck conservative arguments seem reasonable.
I think they find these kind of environments safer. They know that they can parrot NPC talking points, and the worst that they'll get in return is "I respectfully disagree".
I think what i disagreed the most was the comment section dragging Alec and praising Chandler and the other Black dude for their "Civility" but completely ignoring their talking points. You said some dumb shit but hey, you said please and thank you.
Optics is everything, and Alec did the unhinge liberal racism that the black people are talking about they hate. This was a common ground panel, and Alec failed that on that at every step.
I think this belief of black people not in agriculture is regional. South and West plenty of Blacks in agriculture, Heck we have a rodeo for black cowboys every year where I live, and Louisana has a particularly interesting Black urban horse culture. Stereotypes aren’t always representative of the world we live in. Really a lot of agriculture in America has been corporatized and robots implemented.
Yeah. I'm a wildlife major and we share our college with the agricultural sciences department, and because of that (and other variables, like black people being less likely to go for low paid majors) almost every class that I have that's department-specific is all white (in fact, all of them so far). Go into the advanced general biology classes (where you're intermingled with a lot of pre-med students) and THAT'S where black people are. Agriculture is definitely white dominated. My soil sciences class had me as the only black student in ANY section.
Yeah, Vaush called out the "fuck you got mine" attitude that's common to all conservatives, but black conservatives especially since conservatism is so blatantly anti-black.
Why would you immediately assume they all only got into college because of affirmative action? Could they not just have scored higher than their peers?
@@madelinebell5046 She specifically said that affirmative action has "served its purpose". She is, in no uncertain terms, saying affirmative action helped black people in the past and had a valid purpose, but now (that she's old enough that there's nothing in it for her anymore) it's already served its purpose and should go away.
@@AlexOrozco-Social-Pariah is it bad that I actually find her cute 😂 I'd hate bang the shit out of her while screaming "universal healthcare isn't going to bankrupt the American nation".
Hate to admit it but vaush is right about how to engage wit Chandler. I caught this panel a couple hours after release, and literally the only criticism you saw was ppl saying Alex was being loud, abnoxious, constantly cutting ppl off and being a white Savior.
@@AnthropomorphicI mean he is a bootlicker tho, it doesn’t have a racist history behind it like the C word or an Uncle Tom, so him trying to play the race card is just him trying to shift the narrative
black conservative: "i went to a liberal college where all my liberal classmates made fun of me for being an AA enrollee. something that definitely happened and something my fellow conservatives would never accuse me or any black college student of benefiting by"
@@Igknightoni don't believe it.. liberals can be racist but it would be in a more condescending "it's for your benefit because you couldn't get in otherwise" way.
Conservatism really is just being one of two types of people. You're either conniving and ruthless enough to reach the top of the ladder and use your status to squeeze money and power from easily led suckers...or you're the easily led sucker like these fools.
I've seen esoteric variants of conservatism which I think are best described as "defeatist approaches to social realism" In other words, the kind of people who think that racial/ethnic slurs are "just words"
It’s leftists who are the ‘useful idiots’ of society. Mental illness and lack of mental strength is most common in the left and it’s very easy to take you guys for suckers. Leftists campaign about climate change and tell you your evil for supporting plastic straws while being told to do this by the UN climate committee people like Bloomberg who take more private jets than I drive my car. Naive empathy is rife on the left.
5:02 "My People" buddy you don't represent me. You look like you should be at a Trump rally holding a Blacks for Trump sign. Or cleaning Candace Owens shoes.
The Jubilee's comment section is flooded with conservatives, pretty much the majority of comments are from conservatives. Considering how stacked the conservative side usually is in these Jubilee videos they probably are a conservative allied channel.
I was an ancap lunatic in college, but toward the end of college I became radically anti-capitalist once I realized the system’s internal contradictions and its actual power structures and intentions. I’ve never seen a real person go through the opposite transition. On the contrary, I know several individuals who went through the same process I did. As Vaush pointed out, the opposite one doesn’t really happen in the real world unless you’re a grifter!
To be fair, though, we don't know how knowledgeable that guy was before his "conversion", or exactly what sort of leftish politics he was raised with. It's not all that uncommon for people to flirt with radical politics in their teens, and then land somewhere more moderate.
Sometimes it's genuine contrarianism. If one is constantly surrounded by fiscally progressive ideologies, it might be tempting to adopt an opposing ideology just to feel like the differing beliefs are an indication of superior intellect.
@@youtubeviolatedme7123 On a related note, I've heard that there's a correlation between non-mainstream ideologies or beliefs and narcissism. "I'm too special to believe what everyone else believes", that kind of thing.
The ancap ideology is something I find particularly baffling. More conventional capitalists, will at least acknowledge that a state body is needed to keep capitalism in check. Ancaps have this idea that the ultra wealthy shouldn't have any restrictions imposed on them whatsoever.
@@julesdalli9716 Judging by the ones who call into Majority Report, most of them believe that the ultra wealthy actually depend on the state to keep the deck stacked in their favor, and that a truly free and fair market would naturally cause wealth disparities to shrink.
I hate conservatives saying modern democrats are yesterday’s confederates while also getting really defensive over criticism of the confederacy and playing confederate apologia constantly
Any time someone brings up that it was democrats who were the Confederacy ( while they fly the flag in their yard) and Republicans had the black folk, remind them that the Southern Democrats/Dixiecrats were right wing state's right conservatives, and the Republicans and the Union not only had black folk but also had socialists, communists, Marxists, and Karl Marx was a US foreign correspondent for ten years with Abe Lincoln. Also, show them the state's rights democrats political platform, and see how much they agree, as a conservative. Cue mental gymnastics ...
Yeah it's annoying because it's all just a bad faith argument. They only care about shifting the racism blame based solely on a surface level understanding of the history of the political parties
@@intermediate212 Exactly... ...and who whines whenever a Confederate statue is taken down...or flies the Gadsden flag, a confederate flag, and Trump 2024 flag in the same yard, like the guy down my street. Sidenote: He's no democrat. Also has a weird obsession with the Punisher skull, without ever likely picking up a comic in his life.
Anytime someone tries to use “the Democrats were the ones that were the racists” I just say who is the racist party today? I wouldn’t have supported racism then and I don’t support racism now, so who is the racist party today. And they have no way to respond.
Jubilee edits the videos the way that there will be one obvious «villain» in their video because they’ve realized thats boosts their engagement like crazy. This time around, it was Alec.
Thanks Vaush for the debate strategy ideas...I honestly had no idea how to debate People who talk non-stop & try to overwhelm you where you can't get a point across.
Moments like these makes one desire a mute button irl... I think the correct strategy is going the other way around to demonstrate how full of sh!t these people are. A disadvantage of talking too much and too fast is that you get lost in your drivel and you can make them trip over their own words easier and easier the more they try to elongate and disrupt the conversation. Being calm and collected, pretty concise and targeting to the carotid of the argument. Also, never losing the thread of the points.
Learn how to be strategically mean and cutthroat. Telling people who and what they are to their face in a direct non-emotional manner really screws with their heads or at least allows any audience watching noticing if you struck a cord with them. Too many left leaning people have no demon inside them at all. They either stay friendly or lose their minds in a juvenile way. Now this does not work on grifters who truly don't give a shit about their position sunless what you're pointing out is related to them personally and not the grift. When dealing with these types of people you have to have the mentality that you don't care if you're words make them want to drown themselves in tub. When in the zone you need that mentality. Otherwise you're trying to appeal to an actor playing a role instead
Jubilee is oppositional specifically because making conservative and left positions out to be equal legitimizes conservative positions as things worth considering. It's why centrism only ever helps the conservatives. You have to make left leaning positions sound nonsensical and conservative positions sound legitimate in order to make them in any way equal.
As a live stream and discord moderator (although not for Vaush but a MUUCH smaller channel) his little rant is so true. I like dark/edgy humor, I like parodying conservative/racist/antisemitic/misogynistic/homophobic/transphobic etc. talking points. I do that all the time with a friend of mine. But you cannot do that shit online, where no one knows you, or your positions, and expect to not be treated like it's meant unironically. Idc you say you're gay, Johnny. If you say that this character/person belongs in a conversion therapy because of their gayness, I'm not going to haha and brush it off because that's the kinda rhetoric that actual homophobes spread.
@@Kasiarzynka I wasn’t talking about the rant or anything, I was just pointing out how it was a funny point. I just found him saying about the demographic average funny, I wasn’t involved with why he was saying it
Those grifters deserve nothing but contempt so on one hand I personally was rooting him on, but to the majority of politically incoherent jubilee viewers, he did come off as somewhat aggressive and cringe, since they don’t understand that chandler etc are just Prager U token grifters. Optics etc.
Wait for real?? I hate how they highlight the comment Vaush is reading. Vaush is already reading it so why do we need to see it magnified? It's also right there on the left side of the screen anyway lmao
I get very strong Ramaswamy vibes from Chandler. They have almost the exact same speaking pattern. Is there a thing where all conservative speakers try to act like Ben Shapiro with talking really fast and talking over people?
Yeah, even a latin american this argentinean, neo conservative nutjob called Agustin Laje does this at debates, talking over people and speaking too many fallacies too fast to corroborate and too shocking to even put in order live. He only debates people he thinks are going to cave into his disingenuous strategies. I just saw an interview to Eduardo Verástegui's reps where they go foam in mouth at the slightest pinch of the question of a very good female journalist and this very pattern of obfuscation by words is present. They are all trained this way because they follow the same school of disruption.
I would say Shapiro has popularized this debate strategy, and now younger conservatives see it as being effective. Ironically enough, more and more people are seeing through Shabeebo's grifting.
Jubilee is a neutral org, you need to put trained conservatives vs regular left/liberal people or the conservatives would be completely destroyed. It would be funnier though
Agreed. The average conservative would get absolutely wrecked by the average liberal. They generally put less thought into their positions, and fall back to "it's always been this way" as their reasoning for being conservative.
Lmao true. The average conservative versus the average liberal would be like putting literal newborns against the biggest six-year-olds with the meatiest schoolyard bully fists.
@@mememachine-386 The title of the show is "Middle Ground". The point is to have two different groups of people have a discussion and reach some type of middle ground. It would be kinda hard to do that with the average conservative since most of them don't know wtf they're talking about 99% of the time. It would be like trying to have a round-table political discussion in school between elementary kids and college kids. Ain't no political discussion gonna happen.
3:18 I guess Jubilee's vax policy may have changed as COVID has declined, but this strongly suggests the guy wearing the "I'm a vax rebel" sweatshirt is grifting.
Here's how I respond to people who preach about Ameritocracy. I ask them "If every American worker had a masters degree in one of the most popular and highest paying fields, would the majority of American's still be working in fast food/delivery/factory jobs?", then they'll usually respond by saying the ones who work the hardest will get the most success, which then I'll reply with "So are you saying that no matter how hard American's work, the vast majority of Americans will have to settle for low paying fast food/delivery/factory jobs?". If the person you're talking to is being serious, they'll admit the the vast majority workers will never be doctors, lawyers, and engineers, etc... regardless of how hard they work. And if they're being unserious, you just clown on them for being a naive and gullible person while simultaneously reiterating the original point "If every American earned a masters degree, most American's would still be working low wage jobs because that's the majority of our job markets.". Sorry for the long comment, but I hope someone reads this and finds it useful. I think we let people slide with the "Anyone Can Achieve The American Dream" garbage way to often when it's clearly made up nonsense.
Yes, as long as policies that destroy business continue there will only ever be so many high paying jobs, no matter how socialist you make the system. If your socialization involves destroying the investment class that makes high paying jobs possible it will lead to even more low pay workers.
@@ASDeckard destroying the investment class doesnt destroy its money, your are taxing the money from 10 and 'redistributing' to the other 1000, and fuck no low pay workers ARE because of investors wanting the most on their ROI's , usually worker co-ops pay more.
My most successful strat is to just analogize capitalism to a race and point out that rich people have a head start and ask if that's fair. Much easier imo
@@ASDeckard There will only ever be so many high paying jobs no matter what, it's a game of musical chairs and it's beyond insane to believe there will be enough extremely valuable work for everyone in society. The entire point of society is to mitigate and/or eliminate work so people don't have to do it.
The weirdest thing about this video to me is that every Left UA-cam personality watch seems to know who Alec is- it's like hearing about Graggle Simpson for the first time...
Summed up by a comedian, Randy Feltface, "Privilege is not an abundance of opportunity but an absence of obstacles." Privilege is the ability to fuck up constantly and have a pretty good life anyway. This is all I can think about the convo around the 1 hour mark.
I think whats annoying to me about these Jubilee videos, they have these people come on, and they dont even discuss their "parties" economic, domestic, or foreign stances, its always a social issue- which is baked into the history of said parties yes, but, just feels like a waste; not the full picture.
Probably but its also why it gets tiring when people claim the generalization of white people=financially more well off. If you're not living in urban areas opportunities are little for all races.
I fucking stand with Alec. He could have improved his optics but damn those cons were exhausting. Also it could have been helpful if the other libs backed him up a little bit more.
@@TaylorJones-hj7cr Yeah. The dude was flat out annoying and unbearable. And I pretty sure he was alot worse in the unedited version. He’s exactly the type of liberal I hate.
I love the moment at 37:30 when the man acts as if the idea someone would say conservatives want bad things to happen to black people is completely foreign to him.
@@xXRickTrolledXx why? Is there something I’m missing, I love and follow both streamers and mainly for their foreign policy takes, which they’re almost in agreement
I used to be a "libertarian" in high school and early college. Difference I had from these conservatives is that I was socially liberal. I then became anti-capitalist and deem the current state of wealth and racial disparity disgusting which I feel the only solution a government assistance program to raise the lower class directly which would inherently close the gap in wealth. And to ensure it stays closed a tax bracket of 90 percent at 5 million and progressively down the line.
@@MagicBus-ct7feTrump wasn't the one who ended roe v wade lol that literally happened under the Biden administration 💀 Edit - I mean, Biden didn't directly end roe v wade either but you get my point
@@MagicBus-ct7fe Yeah, that just leads to more young black women dying or being seriously injured from the effects of pregnancy on teenage bodies (disproportionate SA), and not to mention the higher rates of mortality during childbirth due to medical racism. But clearly, that helps black people. You *truly* care.
1:32:38 Bro is he arguing that they should stop teaching about slavery in school? These people seriously are going to complain about getting called uncle toms and then come on to bemoan the fact they learned about their ancestor's enslavement in school?
Im black and from the hood. We grew up learning about slavery in school. No one I knew actually benefited from. History shouldn't be forced down our throats. Anyone who wants to learn about slavery can.
What even position are you advocating for here? School abolition? What about math and science? Are those "Forced down our throats"? I'm sorry if you don't personally feel like you benefitted but I fail to see the value of burying America's racist history.
@@jeremiahferguson-sc5rqYou don't want to learn about a foundational part of American/World History? You want to be one of those dumb Americans on the street who doesn't know basic history you see on TV or UA-cam?
@@sh0werp0wer also yes forcing information on people who have no interest in learning it does nothing. That was my point. Only a stupid person thinks forcing information on people is a good idea.
Here's the thing too, I watch this sort of thing happen and being a white dude myself I can only say so much but in my head I'm thinking, I've met a bunch of black people in my life and none of them sound like this dude. They like custom built him out of repurposed white guy parts and wheeled him down from Laguna Beach for this event.
When you see an 18 year old kid with perfect hair and brand new spotless clothes with that condescending attitude. I knew a hundred kids like him growing up and they all came from the nice part of town. I'm only guessing but if I had to call it. Also he's a black conservative let's be real his home growing up was basically the fresh prince of Bel Air.
@@nathanjasper512 That's just a childish way of dismissing the points he made. I don't understand why you liberals can't accept the fact that you turn people off and make them go in the opposite direction
Vaush I was never taught about the party switch in the school I was put through, so I legit thought that these stupid talking points that ignore the party switch were true
there’s no formal like “hey we’re switching sides now” happened over a period of time where people gradually changed to whatever party their views sided with
@@Midwestemoisme I'm aware of that now, yeah, I'm frustrated that I wasn't taught about that in school 10 years ago. It's a pretty significant thing to just skip over when we covered everything up to the Iraq war before switching to "world history" that was really just European history
With regards to the welfare cutoff for single vs two parent households, I have first hand experience. My dad was unable to work for a time last year, and we actually got more in EBT/SNAP when my mom and dad legally got divorced. They still love each other and live together, just got divorced for the benefit. Dad is much better now and recently got a promotion at his new job.
Just wanted to point out that at 30:05 , when Vaush addresses the point about Asian students in universities, he only seems to be able to conceptualize Asians as international students, directly contrasting them with “local” students. But a good chunk (usually a strong majority) of the Asian students who enter into those coastal universities are not international students but Asian-American students. Idk, it’s not really a big deal, but it does kind of stick out as another instance where Asians in America are kind of forgotten and thought of only as foreign. Again, not a big deal in the broad scheme of things and not highly relevant to the point of the stream, but just thought I’d put that out there as an Asian-American.
Don't downplay yourself-this is a very salient point in the conversation on affirmative action! Because it's Asian-Americans who tend to be against it/feel impeded by it, not the wealthy international students who are capable of paying the the increased tuition rate. I mean, it's definitely a more complicated issue. But I don't think you can have a decent conversation on affirmative action without specifically mentioning Asian-Americans. (I'm pretty sure one of the prominent people who contested Harvard's admissions practices, which ultimately led to affirmative action being overturned, was Asian-American.)
@@SadistModeOn thank you! I definitely feel like the conversation around affirmative action needs more nuance, especially around Asian-Americans. I think there’s this sticky situation where, because Asian-Americans have a higher average income in America, a lot of people assume a certain level of privilege. But that ignores that A) PLENTY of Asian Americans grow up working class, with parents working at nail salons, gas stations, etc. B) Asian-Americans who might have a strong income right now may have only achieved said income relatively recently (my family is an example of this. My dad now earns enough to be considered upper middle class, so if you were to look at my life only at this snapshot view I would be considered to have privilege. But growing up, until I was 17/18, my family would’ve been classified as working poor. That’s a story I’ve anecdotally heard from a lot of my friends as well). And C) not all Asian-Americans have the same experience in America. For example, Southeast Asian Americans have a lower high school graduation rate than Latino Americans, yet get bundled in with Chinese and Indian Americans. I also think that having more nuance around the topic is probably the best way to convince the growing Asian American population, as anecdotally the affirmative action thing is the biggest force for turning Asian Americans conservative. Hell, I also fell for the affirmative action-to-conservative pipeline for a while. So coming with a better narrative around affirmative action would go a LONG way to helping push Asian Americans leftwards.
Isn't the problem there that Asian Americans with families that have been here the longest tend to be less well off than recent immigrants, so any affirmative action that quotas against them hurts them? Because a lot of Asian families that came hundreds of years ago (think railroad construction) were working class... At least that's how I had it explained to me. But even born Asian-Americans who are still descended from more recent immigrants tend to be better off than ones who have been local for generations.
I don't usually cringe, like ever, but this Chandler guy does it for me.. had I been on that panel, I would've just phased through the chair and straight through the floor out of sheer cringe..
A point that should have been brought up when the conservatives kept saying "white savior" is that its not about race or saving, its about correcting injustice and calling out the wrong doers
Yeah, I wish one of them had mentioned that. For me and a lot of lefties I know, the motivation is rage at unjust institutions that are still fucking everyone over, not the white guilt or white savior shit.
1:20:44 WILD to see President Sunday just casually palling around here, considering he's allegedly trying to tear down the WF crew atm. Life comes at you fast.
If your so concerned about black men being removed from their families than end the drug war and speak out against mass incarceration but they would never do that
8:48 - I debated a white older Republican politician like this once. He kept talking over me, misrepresenting what I was saying, and trying to shift the conversation to his memorized talking points. I tried my best to engage honestly, but he eventually rage quit and walked out when he didn't get his way. Au/ADHD'ers beat the right with facts and logic yet again.
I honestly feel like this video may do serious damage when it comes to black conservative views being validated. When they talk about college being more attainable for black people Xavier over here literally says "no it would be too ghetto" and the conservatives laughed. They're laughing at the idea of poor black people going to college and not even getting pushback. 1/3 into the video and it's already incredibly obvious these people hate other black people. I'm sorry
I think his messaging was fine, directly calling out the prager u guy for not actually caring about veterans was super on point, he just came across as so agro and white savior that it just makes him lose credibility
If you want a quick way to rhetorically win against conservatives on meritocracy just ask them if they think joe Biden is the best person for the job as president
It wasnt until i left my hometown and attended college that I saw how insane the outcome disparity between people who are poor/lower class like myself and the wealthy international students who have tutors, proper education back home, etc.. I think the effect is way too understated
I feel like the best way to argue against the myth if meritocracy is to argue that factors outside of your control have a massive impact on your outcomes rather than arguing that intelligence, work ethic etc don't. For example: even if two students got the all exact same grades in all the exact same classes at the same university, the wealthier student who's parents' paid for their tuition will still likely have better post grad job prospects because they could spend their free time doing unpaid internships and extracurriculars while the less wealthy student who had to pay for themselves spent their free time working a crappy high school diploma level job that doesn't mean much on a resume.
I was arguing that on Quora about how luck is a huge factor in our life and this Conservative responses with, "well SUPPOSE it is real, what do you want the govt to do about it." I knew he was trying to trap me. He went back to they well but let's suppose it is real, what do you want govt to do? He then went into govt cannot legislate it. My 3rd response which he never came back was well, we already have welfare and I get you wanted to steer the question to that, as you want all of welfare to end. The first thing we have to do is STOP telling people to work hard and you will get ahead. The second is to recognize luck exists. Luck is not some magical thing. It is not just simple randomness, like rolling dice. It is conditions, actions by others, etc, that are out of our control. You can bust your ass all you want but if the conditions are not there to allow you to get that pay raise and/or promotion, then it is never going to happen. I am 56 and laid down all the events in my life and asked him to then tell me, that is not luck. In my case bad luck.
@@DevinMacGregor I think it's often helps frame the issue in terms of equality of opportunity. You can agree with conservatives that meritocracy should be the goal but remind them that meritocracy assumes equality of opportunity, which provably doesn't exist in the us.
Black Conservatives: Racism doesn't even exist anymore. In order to prove this I will describe acts of racism that happened to me that I don't call racism because my worldview won't allow me to call it that.
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@@bradyfett2003It literally happened in the video’s first 20 minutes, the guy in red described a white peer denigrating his achievements and assuming that he just got in through AA.
I don’t know why you’d lie when it’s so trivially disprovable lol
@@fourthspartan5654 brady is a moron, don't mind him.
@@bradyfett2003stawman fawwacy uwu
@@bradyfett2003literally seen at least 3 of the Republican presidential nominees do this. Give an example of racism they or their parents suffered and then deny racism is a thing anymore.
Vaush is the opposite of XQC, he adds too much to the video and I end up forgetting what happened
Lol so true it’s nothing like the video u watch there is so much extra info
That’s crazy chat
Yeah well it’s because Vaush is an opportunistic propagandist who will spin attention and credit away from more superior men and women with better ideas.
Yeah it’s honestly extremely fucking annoying how much Vaush talks, and how much random bullshit he talks about.
Different strokes because I believe xqc adds nothing while Vaush is entertaining and sometimes gives you things to look up later
"Why is Obama in the same party that started the KKK and opposed the civil rights act?" Maybe it's because of the party switch that you keep denying happened? Conservatives literally can get answers to their questions and then just ignore them when it debunks their stupid talking points.
It's always fun to note that the new deal guy was also one of the solid south guys. The switch supposedly happened well after the new deal era after all, although Republicans have been supporting equal rights amendments all the way into the 90's, with Dem's shutting it down, so I guess the switch happened in the early 90's? You know, right before the Dem's tripled the rate black people go to prison, thank you Clinton.
I have to believe he got challenged on that and Jubilee just edited it out. There's no way someone just gets to lie like that for three hours and nobody said anything.
a lot of questions being answered by the thing he refuses to believe exist
He even acknowledged this lol
@@carleyquinn8286 "why do things fall when we drop them?" Gravity. "Yea? Well, I don't believe in that."
Jubilee in the 1800s be like:
"Middle Ground - States Rights Confederates vs Federalist Abolitionists"
Or even more psychotic and liberal... "Middle Ground - House Slaves vs Field Slaves"
I mean, yeah, weren’t those literally the debates Americans were having at the time?
Honestly you might be able to catch something like that in a couple months on their channel.
@@alexbennet4195
Yes those were the 'debates' but the show is called "middle ground", implying that there's a reasonable middle position. America literally did the "reasonable centrist" bs when it drew up the ⅗ compromise and the Mason Dixon Line.
Black confederates vs white unionists!!!!
Man, I always find these so stressful to watch because I see people that need to be called a dumbfuck just get to go on without being branded a dumbass
exactly. there's no catharsis; they can't keep getting away with it
I feel this to a T. Especially in some of the older debates like MRAs vs Feminists and that one episode with that dumbass Arielle Salmonella.
I think that's kind of the point of these shows. To make false equivalency between the left and right and make dumbfuck conservative arguments seem reasonable.
I think they find these kind of environments safer. They know that they can parrot NPC talking points, and the worst that they'll get in return is "I respectfully disagree".
The comments on the video make it even worse it's like brain rot 2.0.
I think what i disagreed the most was the comment section dragging Alec and praising Chandler and the other Black dude for their "Civility" but completely ignoring their talking points.
You said some dumb shit but hey, you said please and thank you.
Optics is everything, and Alec did the unhinge liberal racism that the black people are talking about they hate. This was a common ground panel, and Alec failed that on that at every step.
@@RangerNationDubs Jubilee is a common ground panel? Have you never watched it before?
It's crazy how easily swayed people are by politeness. That's what Optics is all about.
@billiecruz4399 no this panel was a common ground panel not jubilee as a whole. And this was told to him before he went on. Cause all the people were.
@@RangerNationDubswhat's the concept about , you have to have common ground because else it's not good ? If that's thé concept it's fucking weird
11:06 blacks aren't into agriculture? You need land and livestock for that. I'd say at least one mule. Maybe about 40 acres.
I think this belief of black people not in agriculture is regional. South and West plenty of Blacks in agriculture, Heck we have a rodeo for black cowboys every year where I live, and Louisana has a particularly interesting Black urban horse culture. Stereotypes aren’t always representative of the world we live in. Really a lot of agriculture in America has been corporatized and robots implemented.
I saw shark say this earlier and it's still funny af lmao
Yeah. I'm a wildlife major and we share our college with the agricultural sciences department, and because of that (and other variables, like black people being less likely to go for low paid majors) almost every class that I have that's department-specific is all white (in fact, all of them so far). Go into the advanced general biology classes (where you're intermingled with a lot of pre-med students) and THAT'S where black people are. Agriculture is definitely white dominated.
My soil sciences class had me as the only black student in ANY section.
Jubilee are really pushing it, They seem to be trying to get and retain an audience
White American liberal vs black American conservative seems like the cringiest debate idea in the history of debates
@@donovan4222yep
Damn you've only got comments from two of the worst reocurring commenters on Vaush videos. This deserves like a badge or something.
@@markusa5293 Yeah you and turtle are definitely the worst commenters
@@markusa5293It’s truly remarkable, their replies aren’t even that bad this time.
Breaking News, Conservatives don't understand that a Democrat and a Dixiecrat are not the same thing.
You could have stopped at “conservatives don’t understand.”
They always act like the parties didn’t change ffs 😀
I'm not falling for your trickery! A crat is a crat! ha
to the editors, I really liked the snipbits of chat being responded to super helpful:)
I've noticed this change in recent vids, it's SO GOOD how they show the comments Vaush is reading/responding to!! Keep it up!
Crazy that the black mom’s kids got into school, and now that they’re not in college affirmative action “has served it’s purpose”
being a conservative means always pulling up the ladder behind you
@@megax5000and blaming the people still at the bottom for not getting up
Yeah, Vaush called out the "fuck you got mine" attitude that's common to all conservatives, but black conservatives especially since conservatism is so blatantly anti-black.
Why would you immediately assume they all only got into college because of affirmative action? Could they not just have scored higher than their peers?
@@madelinebell5046 She specifically said that affirmative action has "served its purpose". She is, in no uncertain terms, saying affirmative action helped black people in the past and had a valid purpose, but now (that she's old enough that there's nothing in it for her anymore) it's already served its purpose and should go away.
The conservative kid is a Ben Shapiro Clone to the core. From his speech cadence to his simplistic logic regarding complex and nuanced issues
Shapiro with a fro.
@@rexx9496 Shapifro
This kid: Black Shapiro
Brett Cooper: Transgender Shapiro
Vivek: Hindu Shapiro.
They're like barbies at this point.
@@jordanchen23 Femme Shapiro certaily cracked me up because at first I thought somebody had made an edit with AI on a random girl video lmfao
@@AlexOrozco-Social-Pariah is it bad that I actually find her cute 😂 I'd hate bang the shit out of her while screaming "universal healthcare isn't going to bankrupt the American nation".
The title of the video should’ve been “Black Conservatives vs. One Piece Fans”
more like hasan fans lol of which two of them were
@@OnePiece23463 T-shirts
@OnePiece23463 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@OnePiece23463 😂😂 one piece gets on the mic all excited lol(look at the shirts)
One Piece fans being the most based as usual
Hate to admit it but vaush is right about how to engage wit Chandler.
I caught this panel a couple hours after release, and literally the only criticism you saw was ppl saying Alex was being loud, abnoxious, constantly cutting ppl off and being a white Savior.
apparently they cut off his best parts typical jubilee
@@jacksmith-vs4ct pretty sure he called someone an uncle tom lol its horrible optics
@@josiahsmith7458 What I've read is that he called the guy in the red shirt a bootlicker, which is what prompted the bit at 10:43.
@@AnthropomorphicI mean he is a bootlicker tho, it doesn’t have a racist history behind it like the C word or an Uncle Tom, so him trying to play the race card is just him trying to shift the narrative
@@AnthropomorphicI mean Alec isn't wrong there tbf. Maybe it was just bad optics at worst
black conservative: "i went to a liberal college where all my liberal classmates made fun of me for being an AA enrollee. something that definitely happened and something my fellow conservatives would never accuse me or any black college student of benefiting by"
Those classmates? Albert Einstein. All of them.
Kid named Aevry Juan: *lottsa clapping*
"Also, boys, we solved racism so they definitely did not say that because I was black and they weren't. That would mean there is still racism."
liberals aren't immune to being racist. I dont agree with the black conservatives, but his story is believable
@@Igknightoni don't believe it.. liberals can be racist but it would be in a more condescending "it's for your benefit because you couldn't get in otherwise" way.
Conservatism really is just being one of two types of people. You're either conniving and ruthless enough to reach the top of the ladder and use your status to squeeze money and power from easily led suckers...or you're the easily led sucker like these fools.
I mean at least one of those guys is grifting for that Conservative Media money.
I've seen esoteric variants of conservatism which I think are best described as "defeatist approaches to social realism"
In other words, the kind of people who think that racial/ethnic slurs are "just words"
There are "dom" conservatives and "sub" conservatives.
Doms enjoy having their boot licked. Subs enjoy licking said boot.
It’s leftists who are the ‘useful idiots’ of society. Mental illness and lack of mental strength is most common in the left and it’s very easy to take you guys for suckers. Leftists campaign about climate change and tell you your evil for supporting plastic straws while being told to do this by the UN climate committee people like Bloomberg who take more private jets than I drive my car. Naive empathy is rife on the left.
Just like crypto 😂
5:02 "My People" buddy you don't represent me. You look like you should be at a Trump rally holding a Blacks for Trump sign. Or cleaning Candace Owens shoes.
And you dont represent anybody but yourself
He doesn't represent me, too. lol He talks about his own people, and he doesn't know it.
@@Jaym1223LOOOOOSEEEEER, ROI, ROI!!!!!!!
@@Jaym1223 Never said I did...Only one talking out of his ass is you.
@@Jaym1223That's ops point lmao, you slow?
I agree with them though as another black american
The Jubilee's comment section is flooded with conservatives, pretty much the majority of comments are from conservatives. Considering how stacked the conservative side usually is in these Jubilee videos they probably are a conservative allied channel.
Well, conservatives tend to brigade just about anything where they don't get positively blown the fuck out.
good
If their audience is mainly conservative then they are helping the left by exposing these people to Socialist talking points.
@@bradyfett2003At least you admit to living in an echo chamber.
I call that Conservative enabling. Its the faux neutrality thing.
I was an ancap lunatic in college, but toward the end of college I became radically anti-capitalist once I realized the system’s internal contradictions and its actual power structures and intentions. I’ve never seen a real person go through the opposite transition. On the contrary, I know several individuals who went through the same process I did. As Vaush pointed out, the opposite one doesn’t really happen in the real world unless you’re a grifter!
To be fair, though, we don't know how knowledgeable that guy was before his "conversion", or exactly what sort of leftish politics he was raised with. It's not all that uncommon for people to flirt with radical politics in their teens, and then land somewhere more moderate.
Sometimes it's genuine contrarianism. If one is constantly surrounded by fiscally progressive ideologies, it might be tempting to adopt an opposing ideology just to feel like the differing beliefs are an indication of superior intellect.
@@youtubeviolatedme7123 On a related note, I've heard that there's a correlation between non-mainstream ideologies or beliefs and narcissism. "I'm too special to believe what everyone else believes", that kind of thing.
The ancap ideology is something I find particularly baffling. More conventional capitalists, will at least acknowledge that a state body is needed to keep capitalism in check. Ancaps have this idea that the ultra wealthy shouldn't have any restrictions imposed on them whatsoever.
@@julesdalli9716 Judging by the ones who call into Majority Report, most of them believe that the ultra wealthy actually depend on the state to keep the deck stacked in their favor, and that a truly free and fair market would naturally cause wealth disparities to shrink.
I hate conservatives saying modern democrats are yesterday’s confederates while also getting really defensive over criticism of the confederacy and playing confederate apologia constantly
RIGHT?
Any time someone brings up that it was democrats who were the Confederacy ( while they fly the flag in their yard) and Republicans had the black folk, remind them that the Southern Democrats/Dixiecrats were right wing state's right conservatives, and the Republicans and the Union not only had black folk but also had socialists, communists, Marxists, and Karl Marx was a US foreign correspondent for ten years with Abe Lincoln.
Also, show them the state's rights democrats political platform, and see how much they agree, as a conservative.
Cue mental gymnastics ...
I typically just ask them who supports the confederate flag nowadays, democrats or Republicans, and their argument falls apart.
Yeah it's annoying because it's all just a bad faith argument. They only care about shifting the racism blame based solely on a surface level understanding of the history of the political parties
@@intermediate212
Exactly...
...and who whines whenever a Confederate statue is taken down...or flies the Gadsden flag, a confederate flag, and Trump 2024 flag in the same yard, like the guy down my street.
Sidenote: He's no democrat.
Also has a weird obsession with the Punisher skull, without ever likely picking up a comic in his life.
I see your point, but NONE of this would actually work.
Their brains have been rotted by "the Southern Strategy never happened" rhetoric.
They are the first and only ones to cry the second we’re ready to take down confederate statues.
I like how Chandler at the beginning in his opening statement acknowledged the party switch then shamelessly "forgot" about it
Not defending him but it was pretty obvious he was being sarcastic.
Anytime someone tries to use “the Democrats were the ones that were the racists” I just say who is the racist party today? I wouldn’t have supported racism then and I don’t support racism now, so who is the racist party today. And they have no way to respond.
The chad one piece shirts vs the virgin full color shirts is all I took away from this debate
The one piece is real!
And gigs chad own merch
Jubilee edits the videos the way that there will be one obvious «villain» in their video because they’ve realized thats boosts their engagement like crazy. This time around, it was Alec.
Thanks Vaush for the debate strategy ideas...I honestly had no idea how to debate People who talk non-stop & try to overwhelm you where you can't get a point across.
simply don’t debate them like a Chad
Moments like these makes one desire a mute button irl... I think the correct strategy is going the other way around to demonstrate how full of sh!t these people are. A disadvantage of talking too much and too fast is that you get lost in your drivel and you can make them trip over their own words easier and easier the more they try to elongate and disrupt the conversation. Being calm and collected, pretty concise and targeting to the carotid of the argument. Also, never losing the thread of the points.
Learn how to be strategically mean and cutthroat. Telling people who and what they are to their face in a direct non-emotional manner really screws with their heads or at least allows any audience watching noticing if you struck a cord with them. Too many left leaning people have no demon inside them at all.
They either stay friendly or lose their minds in a juvenile way. Now this does not work on grifters who truly don't give a shit about their position sunless what you're pointing out is related to them personally and not the grift. When dealing with these types of people you have to have the mentality that you don't care if you're words make them want to drown themselves in tub. When in the zone you need that mentality. Otherwise you're trying to appeal to an actor playing a role instead
"Can I get a word in" might be an effective way to deal with that youngster who waffles on like Ben Shapiro.
If it's anything like dealing with pressure fighters in boxing I'm assuming you jab them in the jaw as they rush towards you.
Jubilee is oppositional specifically because making conservative and left positions out to be equal legitimizes conservative positions as things worth considering. It's why centrism only ever helps the conservatives. You have to make left leaning positions sound nonsensical and conservative positions sound legitimate in order to make them in any way equal.
'you are a 19 year old transgender woman and you're white'
Hey no need to call me out, I’m just watching
As a live stream and discord moderator (although not for Vaush but a MUUCH smaller channel) his little rant is so true. I like dark/edgy humor, I like parodying conservative/racist/antisemitic/misogynistic/homophobic/transphobic etc. talking points. I do that all the time with a friend of mine. But you cannot do that shit online, where no one knows you, or your positions, and expect to not be treated like it's meant unironically.
Idc you say you're gay, Johnny. If you say that this character/person belongs in a conversion therapy because of their gayness, I'm not going to haha and brush it off because that's the kinda rhetoric that actual homophobes spread.
@@Kasiarzynka I wasn’t talking about the rant or anything, I was just pointing out how it was a funny point.
I just found him saying about the demographic average funny, I wasn’t involved with why he was saying it
Where does Vaush say this?
@@jasper2621 1:16:09
Don't look a the Jubilee comments section... It's nothing but a cesspit of Alex hate.
Those grifters deserve nothing but contempt so on one hand I personally was rooting him on, but to the majority of politically incoherent jubilee viewers, he did come off as somewhat aggressive and cringe, since they don’t understand that chandler etc are just Prager U token grifters. Optics etc.
Well, we know now that Alex is totally Vaush's type, so he has that. He be thicc boi
Alex was annoying
@@tubles9630 Id be condescending too, if I had to listen to Shapiro-lite.
whoever edited this video deserves a raise, I love the fact that they highlight the comment vaush is responding to and provide screenshots for context
Mad agree. It’s top tier editing honestly, which isn’t saying much since these don’t require a lot but it’s the little things.
The bar for you people is so low lmao
kinda reminds me of destiny's editing, its super good
Wait for real?? I hate how they highlight the comment Vaush is reading. Vaush is already reading it so why do we need to see it magnified? It's also right there on the left side of the screen anyway lmao
@@soccerguy325 I can’t understand people very well sometimes and have a hard time reading small text. I find it helpful personally.
I get very strong Ramaswamy vibes from Chandler. They have almost the exact same speaking pattern. Is there a thing where all conservative speakers try to act like Ben Shapiro with talking really fast and talking over people?
Yeah, even a latin american this argentinean, neo conservative nutjob called Agustin Laje does this at debates, talking over people and speaking too many fallacies too fast to corroborate and too shocking to even put in order live. He only debates people he thinks are going to cave into his disingenuous strategies. I just saw an interview to Eduardo Verástegui's reps where they go foam in mouth at the slightest pinch of the question of a very good female journalist and this very pattern of obfuscation by words is present. They are all trained this way because they follow the same school of disruption.
Close your eyes and listen to him speak. He sounds almost exactly like John Doyle.
They all have the same annoying whiny voice, it comes free with your conservatism
its a debate tactic to exhaust the other debator.
I would say Shapiro has popularized this debate strategy, and now younger conservatives see it as being effective.
Ironically enough, more and more people are seeing through Shabeebo's grifting.
I know this is racist but never in my life would I as a black person talk to a nigga named "Chandler"
That’s nameist
That's stupid, but at least in this case you wouldn't lose much tbh
Bet your name is Taylor or some shit.
Well at least you own it
funny as fuck and true
Jubilee is a neutral org, you need to put trained conservatives vs regular left/liberal people or the conservatives would be completely destroyed. It would be funnier though
Agreed. The average conservative would get absolutely wrecked by the average liberal. They generally put less thought into their positions, and fall back to "it's always been this way" as their reasoning for being conservative.
Lmao true. The average conservative versus the average liberal would be like putting literal newborns against the biggest six-year-olds with the meatiest schoolyard bully fists.
That isn't being neutral lmao. The whole point is that these people are supposed to be your average American, but almost none of them are.
@@mememachine-386 That's the joke.
@@mememachine-386 The title of the show is "Middle Ground". The point is to have two different groups of people have a discussion and reach some type of middle ground. It would be kinda hard to do that with the average conservative since most of them don't know wtf they're talking about 99% of the time.
It would be like trying to have a round-table political discussion in school between elementary kids and college kids. Ain't no political discussion gonna happen.
3:18 I guess Jubilee's vax policy may have changed as COVID has declined, but this strongly suggests the guy wearing the "I'm a vax rebel" sweatshirt is grifting.
Here's how I respond to people who preach about Ameritocracy. I ask them "If every American worker had a masters degree in one of the most popular and highest paying fields, would the majority of American's still be working in fast food/delivery/factory jobs?", then they'll usually respond by saying the ones who work the hardest will get the most success, which then I'll reply with "So are you saying that no matter how hard American's work, the vast majority of Americans will have to settle for low paying fast food/delivery/factory jobs?". If the person you're talking to is being serious, they'll admit the the vast majority workers will never be doctors, lawyers, and engineers, etc... regardless of how hard they work. And if they're being unserious, you just clown on them for being a naive and gullible person while simultaneously reiterating the original point "If every American earned a masters degree, most American's would still be working low wage jobs because that's the majority of our job markets.".
Sorry for the long comment, but I hope someone reads this and finds it useful. I think we let people slide with the "Anyone Can Achieve The American Dream" garbage way to often when it's clearly made up nonsense.
I mean, these people think curve grading is fine but also do this shit. Not serious people.
Yes, as long as policies that destroy business continue there will only ever be so many high paying jobs, no matter how socialist you make the system. If your socialization involves destroying the investment class that makes high paying jobs possible it will lead to even more low pay workers.
@@ASDeckard destroying the investment class doesnt destroy its money, your are taxing the money from 10 and 'redistributing' to the other 1000, and fuck no low pay workers ARE because of investors wanting the most on their ROI's , usually worker co-ops pay more.
My most successful strat is to just analogize capitalism to a race and point out that rich people have a head start and ask if that's fair. Much easier imo
@@ASDeckard There will only ever be so many high paying jobs no matter what, it's a game of musical chairs and it's beyond insane to believe there will be enough extremely valuable work for everyone in society. The entire point of society is to mitigate and/or eliminate work so people don't have to do it.
The weirdest thing about this video to me is that every Left UA-cam personality watch seems to know who Alec is- it's like hearing about Graggle Simpson for the first time...
yea idk who alec is either, what’s his channel?
@@Midwestemoisme Alec Gunter, the guy who did a testimony against Ohio anti-trans law that has been cancelled.
Summed up by a comedian, Randy Feltface, "Privilege is not an abundance of opportunity but an absence of obstacles." Privilege is the ability to fuck up constantly and have a pretty good life anyway. This is all I can think about the convo around the 1 hour mark.
Props to Vaush for not sounding like a bitter ex-wife, unlike Hasan lol.
I think whats annoying to me about these Jubilee videos, they have these people come on, and they dont even discuss their "parties" economic, domestic, or foreign stances, its always a social issue- which is baked into the history of said parties yes, but, just feels like a waste; not the full picture.
The black conservatives didn’t grow up in urban communities.
Thats why they're still alive
thats why they have these shitty opinions
100% they’re all middle class to upper middle.
Probably but its also why it gets tiring when people claim the generalization of white people=financially more well off. If you're not living in urban areas opportunities are little for all races.
@@princequestly2218you don't know where these people are from. Yet you speak like you do. What a stupid statement.
“An autist with a special interest in good posture” lmao!
WHen that kid was talking I was convinced it was Ben Shapiro.
Im not convinced that kid is really black
I fucking stand with Alec. He could have improved his optics but damn those cons were exhausting. Also it could have been helpful if the other libs backed him up a little bit more.
He was God awful
@@TaylorJones-hj7cr
Yeah.
The dude was flat out annoying and unbearable.
And I pretty sure he was alot worse in the unedited version.
He’s exactly the type of liberal I hate.
@@LoopyDreamz775 he wasn’t a liberal he said so himself
I love the moment at 37:30 when the man acts as if the idea someone would say conservatives want bad things to happen to black people is completely foreign to him.
Vaush is a girl's name.
If you know the lore, yes
1:15:06 while California wasnt a "slave state" there were slaves brought there and there are receipts.
I mean there are literally slaves bought and sold in every single nation today. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
It wasn’t a state at all.
There was also enslavement of Indigenous Californians by rapist white gold miners.
VAUSHTINY RETURNS 🎉
God, please, no.
Please no
@@xXRickTrolledXx why? Is there something I’m missing, I love and follow both streamers and mainly for their foreign policy takes, which they’re almost in agreement
@@hollister2320
stupid drama stuff
They can bond over their white liberalism and say tactical N words together
Random comment but the recent change where the chats are being added on screen helps me A LOT and i really appreciate the addition!
I used to be a "libertarian" in high school and early college. Difference I had from these conservatives is that I was socially liberal. I then became anti-capitalist and deem the current state of wealth and racial disparity disgusting which I feel the only solution a government assistance program to raise the lower class directly which would inherently close the gap in wealth. And to ensure it stays closed a tax bracket of 90 percent at 5 million and progressively down the line.
the guy in the hat and red shirt is a PERFECT example of how you can be objectively correct on everything, and still “lose” a debate
Alec was way too eager to get owns. Very frustrating to watch.
“What did trump do for black people?” “The economy” as if African Americans are the primary beneficiaries of a rising stock market
Ended roe vs wade
And the funny thing is trump was riding off Obama’s great economy.
@@MagicBus-ct7feTrump wasn't the one who ended roe v wade lol that literally happened under the Biden administration 💀
Edit - I mean, Biden didn't directly end roe v wade either but you get my point
@@MagicBus-ct7fe Yeah, that just leads to more young black women dying or being seriously injured from the effects of pregnancy on teenage bodies (disproportionate SA), and not to mention the higher rates of mortality during childbirth due to medical racism.
But clearly, that helps black people. You *truly* care.
The Black guy's speaking speed made me check my playback speed. Holy cow, bro needs to be a conservative rapper. . . or maybe a Texas auctioneer.
Nicely done vaush
The older lady has extreme ideas about what people would do. Her idea of reparations just.... that's not going to happen?
27:27 the way Vaush responded to this claim was so much better than how hasan did 💀 what a breath of fresh air
I don't have the poker face for this.. I'd be laughing in their face
1:32:38 Bro is he arguing that they should stop teaching about slavery in school? These people seriously are going to complain about getting called uncle toms and then come on to bemoan the fact they learned about their ancestor's enslavement in school?
Im black and from the hood. We grew up learning about slavery in school. No one I knew actually benefited from. History shouldn't be forced down our throats. Anyone who wants to learn about slavery can.
What even position are you advocating for here? School abolition? What about math and science? Are those "Forced down our throats"? I'm sorry if you don't personally feel like you benefitted but I fail to see the value of burying America's racist history.
@@jeremiahferguson-sc5rqYou don't want to learn about a foundational part of American/World History? You want to be one of those dumb Americans on the street who doesn't know basic history you see on TV or UA-cam?
@@sh0werp0wer what a stupid statement. Never once did I say education is dumb or anything close to that.
@@sh0werp0wer also yes forcing information on people who have no interest in learning it does nothing. That was my point. Only a stupid person thinks forcing information on people is a good idea.
The little fast talking one with the fabulous hair irks the absolute hell out of me. He's an AI Black conservative. He needs a system update.
Here's the thing too, I watch this sort of thing happen and being a white dude myself I can only say so much but in my head I'm thinking, I've met a bunch of black people in my life and none of them sound like this dude. They like custom built him out of repurposed white guy parts and wheeled him down from Laguna Beach for this event.
@@nathanjasper512 not “repurposed white guy parts” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Vaush has incredible drip now jesus!
I blame Conure
I think the shirt looks pretty ugly (not ugly on him, just the shirt isn't good imo), but he's looking good besides that.
42:45 What makes America great for a fucking billionaire will NEVER make America great for regular people. God damn
It's literally trickle down economics, conceptually... Which we KNOW beyond ANY doubt doesn't work!
Jubilee is always just so infuriating to watch
Blen Shapiro coming in hot with the memorized takes
I bet this Chandler kid didn’t grow up poor he at least grew up middle to upper middle class. And I bet both of his parents are exactly the same way.
When you see an 18 year old kid with perfect hair and brand new spotless clothes with that condescending attitude. I knew a hundred kids like him growing up and they all came from the nice part of town. I'm only guessing but if I had to call it. Also he's a black conservative let's be real his home growing up was basically the fresh prince of Bel Air.
@@nathanjasper512 That's just a childish way of dismissing the points he made. I don't understand why you liberals can't accept the fact that you turn people off and make them go in the opposite direction
Voosh lookin damn good with that hair.
Vaush I was never taught about the party switch in the school I was put through, so I legit thought that these stupid talking points that ignore the party switch were true
there’s no formal like “hey we’re switching sides now” happened over a period of time where people gradually changed to whatever party their views sided with
lots of public schools out here that only teach history until the cuban missile crisis. maybe things have changed in 15 years tho, idk
@@Midwestemoisme I'm aware of that now, yeah, I'm frustrated that I wasn't taught about that in school 10 years ago. It's a pretty significant thing to just skip over when we covered everything up to the Iraq war before switching to "world history" that was really just European history
With regards to the welfare cutoff for single vs two parent households, I have first hand experience. My dad was unable to work for a time last year, and we actually got more in EBT/SNAP when my mom and dad legally got divorced. They still love each other and live together, just got divorced for the benefit. Dad is much better now and recently got a promotion at his new job.
As a newcomer to the US. married to a black chick, I was never prepared for the number of black Trump supporters I encounter in our circles.
2 hour long Vaush segment? Splendid!
Vaush's new glass are so good looking.
Just wanted to point out that at 30:05 , when Vaush addresses the point about Asian students in universities, he only seems to be able to conceptualize Asians as international students, directly contrasting them with “local” students. But a good chunk (usually a strong majority) of the Asian students who enter into those coastal universities are not international students but Asian-American students. Idk, it’s not really a big deal, but it does kind of stick out as another instance where Asians in America are kind of forgotten and thought of only as foreign. Again, not a big deal in the broad scheme of things and not highly relevant to the point of the stream, but just thought I’d put that out there as an Asian-American.
Don't downplay yourself-this is a very salient point in the conversation on affirmative action! Because it's Asian-Americans who tend to be against it/feel impeded by it, not the wealthy international students who are capable of paying the the increased tuition rate.
I mean, it's definitely a more complicated issue. But I don't think you can have a decent conversation on affirmative action without specifically mentioning Asian-Americans. (I'm pretty sure one of the prominent people who contested Harvard's admissions practices, which ultimately led to affirmative action being overturned, was Asian-American.)
@@SadistModeOn thank you! I definitely feel like the conversation around affirmative action needs more nuance, especially around Asian-Americans. I think there’s this sticky situation where, because Asian-Americans have a higher average income in America, a lot of people assume a certain level of privilege. But that ignores that A) PLENTY of Asian Americans grow up working class, with parents working at nail salons, gas stations, etc. B) Asian-Americans who might have a strong income right now may have only achieved said income relatively recently (my family is an example of this. My dad now earns enough to be considered upper middle class, so if you were to look at my life only at this snapshot view I would be considered to have privilege. But growing up, until I was 17/18, my family would’ve been classified as working poor. That’s a story I’ve anecdotally heard from a lot of my friends as well). And C) not all Asian-Americans have the same experience in America. For example, Southeast Asian Americans have a lower high school graduation rate than Latino Americans, yet get bundled in with Chinese and Indian Americans. I also think that having more nuance around the topic is probably the best way to convince the growing Asian American population, as anecdotally the affirmative action thing is the biggest force for turning Asian Americans conservative. Hell, I also fell for the affirmative action-to-conservative pipeline for a while. So coming with a better narrative around affirmative action would go a LONG way to helping push Asian Americans leftwards.
that's a great point! thanks for adding to this conversation :)
@@surajbhat5447 Honestly this should be a pinned comment. Super informative, and a lot of points I wasn't aware of. Keep sharing!
Isn't the problem there that Asian Americans with families that have been here the longest tend to be less well off than recent immigrants, so any affirmative action that quotas against them hurts them? Because a lot of Asian families that came hundreds of years ago (think railroad construction) were working class... At least that's how I had it explained to me. But even born Asian-Americans who are still descended from more recent immigrants tend to be better off than ones who have been local for generations.
I'm not going to talk about conservatism 200 years ago vs now
Entire argument is comparing democrats now to democrats 200 years ago
Vaush should hop on destinys stream to talk about his jubilee performance
We can only hope
@@MostlyAverageI would nut if that happened
He won't 😔
Nah
That would just end with more screaming, gish galloping, ad hominems, and name calling.
Now that's a girl's name that I haven't heard in a long time.
the "baby bathwater" response to shut the guy up is pointing out that giving people money reduces the rate of abortion
Oh God so true. Be like, Ok cool so you support family planning birth control, sex ed, and workers right then right? Right?
I fell asleep during this stream so I'm watching this segment again.
"Welfare is built off the idea of splitting up families."
What???
I don't usually cringe, like ever, but this Chandler guy does it for me.. had I been on that panel, I would've just phased through the chair and straight through the floor out of sheer cringe..
Vaush editor putting more effects. glad theyre upping the quality.
A point that should have been brought up when the conservatives kept saying "white savior" is that its not about race or saving, its about correcting injustice and calling out the wrong doers
Yeah, I wish one of them had mentioned that. For me and a lot of lefties I know, the motivation is rage at unjust institutions that are still fucking everyone over, not the white guilt or white savior shit.
1:20:44 WILD to see President Sunday just casually palling around here, considering he's allegedly trying to tear down the WF crew atm. Life comes at you fast.
If your so concerned about black men being removed from their families than end the drug war and speak out against mass incarceration but they would never do that
Conservatives: "Lol, ghetto, crack cocaine, gangbangers, lock 'em all up"
Also conservatives: "Why are black fathers not with their families?"
Oh shit, I didn't realize WCK was so beneficial, my mom worked there for a year
I always find the argument that "a politician wants to get reelected by doing popular things = bad" really weird.
8:48 - I debated a white older Republican politician like this once. He kept talking over me, misrepresenting what I was saying, and trying to shift the conversation to his memorized talking points. I tried my best to engage honestly, but he eventually rage quit and walked out when he didn't get his way. Au/ADHD'ers beat the right with facts and logic yet again.
Love from a Shark3ozero and Xanderhal fan!
Based. 😊
I was waiting for Vaush to upload his commentary on this Jubilee video for a minute.
Will the divorce finally be reconciled?
I’m loving your outfit Vaush! The glasses are great, but I’ve also liked that shirt since you showed it last time. Drippy!
"Friend of the stream!" - The Bridge is Real!!!
So annoyed watching this as a black person.
I honestly feel like this video may do serious damage when it comes to black conservative views being validated. When they talk about college being more attainable for black people Xavier over here literally says "no it would be too ghetto" and the conservatives laughed. They're laughing at the idea of poor black people going to college and not even getting pushback. 1/3 into the video and it's already incredibly obvious these people hate other black people. I'm sorry
Alec Gunther did horrible here tbh.
I think his messaging was fine, directly calling out the prager u guy for not actually caring about veterans was super on point, he just came across as so agro and white savior that it just makes him lose credibility
If you want a quick way to rhetorically win against conservatives on meritocracy just ask them if they think joe Biden is the best person for the job as president
OH SNAP. Stealing that one!
I suppose you could also ask them if Barbie was truly the best film of the year, aye?
Hm.
It wasnt until i left my hometown and attended college that I saw how insane the outcome disparity between people who are poor/lower class like myself and the wealthy international students who have tutors, proper education back home, etc.. I think the effect is way too understated
all i'm gonna say is, one side has 2 people with one piece shirts on, and the other does not.
I feel like the best way to argue against the myth if meritocracy is to argue that factors outside of your control have a massive impact on your outcomes rather than arguing that intelligence, work ethic etc don't. For example: even if two students got the all exact same grades in all the exact same classes at the same university, the wealthier student who's parents' paid for their tuition will still likely have better post grad job prospects because they could spend their free time doing unpaid internships and extracurriculars while the less wealthy student who had to pay for themselves spent their free time working a crappy high school diploma level job that doesn't mean much on a resume.
I was arguing that on Quora about how luck is a huge factor in our life and this Conservative responses with, "well SUPPOSE it is real, what do you want the govt to do about it." I knew he was trying to trap me. He went back to they well but let's suppose it is real, what do you want govt to do? He then went into govt cannot legislate it.
My 3rd response which he never came back was well, we already have welfare and I get you wanted to steer the question to that, as you want all of welfare to end.
The first thing we have to do is STOP telling people to work hard and you will get ahead. The second is to recognize luck exists. Luck is not some magical thing. It is not just simple randomness, like rolling dice. It is conditions, actions by others, etc, that are out of our control. You can bust your ass all you want but if the conditions are not there to allow you to get that pay raise and/or promotion, then it is never going to happen. I am 56 and laid down all the events in my life and asked him to then tell me, that is not luck. In my case bad luck.
@@DevinMacGregor I think it's often helps frame the issue in terms of equality of opportunity. You can agree with conservatives that meritocracy should be the goal but remind them that meritocracy assumes equality of opportunity, which provably doesn't exist in the us.
1:37:00 THE WAY HE SAYS AN OBJECTIVE FACT AND THEY JUST IGNORE HIM AND LEAVE HIM ON HEARD 😭
The glasses are looking great vaush keep up the fashion streams
Everytime the kid that spoke through others started speaking I had to say out loud "Oh media training huh?" Dammit.
Starting to get hopeful for a bridge restoration