Tankless Water Heater Experience In My Travel Trailer
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2022
- Do you want a tankless water heater? I want to share with you what I have experienced so far. I am getting my longer showers now but there is so much more to learn. This 2-week trip along with some off-the-grid camping (boondocking) has shown me so much more than I expected. Come and learn what I have found out thus far.
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Hi I have been in my RV full time for 25years. During all my years of constant travel I did a lot of "boon docking" all over this gorgeous country. I just removed my 6 gallon DSI/Electric Atwood water heater, installed the Fogatti by Rec Pro on demand water heater. I realized very quickly this on demand unit would have NEVER worked for me when I was boon docking, however I am in an RV park now with full hook ups, so it works very well. Long hot showers are truly relaxing. You can imagine 20 plus years of showers with 6 gallons max of hot water. I thought I would share this point with you regarding another requirement of on demand, you must have power to the unit on just in case you are in freezing temps the unit can and will come on automatically to avoid the unit freezing and cracking the heat exchanger. Very important to have battery power and propane available if boon docking in below freezing locations. So, if I were you I would be putting my Atwood back in until your boon docking days are done. I have had my Fogatti On Demand installed for a couple of months and it takes a lot of water, every time you turn on the hot water you must wait for it to get hot. I love it for showers, but not for quick hand washing. Enjoy, Elizabeth
This is great information. I did not know that I could leave it on and it would take care of freezing weather all by itself. I may have overlooked it but I dont think the manual explained it.
@@HowToRV Good Afternoon, If your brand of on demand water heater is Fogatti the info about anti freezing function is on page 5 item #6 under heading Safety Warnings And Operational Safety Guidelines. Due to being in a freezing location for the past few months I can say the anti freezing function works perfectly:) Enjoy, Elizabeth
I'm a newbie to the camping world. Would you recommend changing a propane hot water system for a tank less? We will be living in our camper full time. It will run on a breaker box. My thinking was that an electric water heating system may be more efficient than heating with lots of propane. Love to get your expertise.
@@lanngunn6512 Good afternoon I have no idea if you were asking me about the hot water heater, but I tried to reply to a couple of days ago with no luck. Anyway, I will make this to the point all on demand water heaters for Recreational Vehicles that I am familiar with are only propane. Hope this helps.
I like the electric and gas WH heater just wish maybe like 10 gal instead of 6
Thanks for the perspective. Wanted tankless but now realize that the capacity and consumption issues are antithetical to camp-conservation.
Your very welcome. Although the endless is great. It is not condusive to dry camping/boondocking.
If I had to boondock and of course water conserving would be number one priority. I would lower the water temp to the water heater as low as possible so I don't have to use cold water to mix with the hot and waste valuable water. I think you should still be able to turn water off completely to soap up and then turn water on to rinse off and you would only be waiting 2-3 seconds for hot water. My brother does that with his and he gave me that advise recently after I told him we are in the market for a OnDemand water heater. Hope this helps and works for you.
This is great information. I will definitely try that. Thanks for the thought
As always, I love your videos. I learn something new every time. Great job 👏 👍
Awesome, thank you!
I'd keep the tankless . There are downsides for both but the constant hot water is a winner for me .
I am leaning towards keeping it. You are right, the constant hot water supply is really nice to have. I love the extended showers that this system provides.
Just bought our rig back in October 2021 and it has a tankless water heater. After some trial and error we love the constant hot water but have also questioned the viability of going off grid for any extended amount of time for the very reason you described in your video. I would lean towards what type of camping you do more and decide that way whether to go with a tank or tankless.
I agree with your comment. This trial/test hopefully helps those with smaller tanks like myself or even smaller. I am working on some things in the background to expend my ability to go off grid longer and we will have to see then how it works out.
We are not a fan of tankless water heaters. First because they use so much propane. Another is the water usage. The copper tubing that feeds that feeds the water around the heat chamber is so small that if you travel in freezing temps the tubing may break. So, our vote would be ditch it. Great video!
Good point on the freezing temperatures and water consumption.
Me personally, I would stay with the tankless WH but I say that because most of the time, we are hooked up to water and have a ‘endless’ supply. I also have a Rhino tank tote to help empty my black and gray tanks. We currently have a 6 gal WH and we do pretty good as long as we have the propane element on with the electric element but it would be nice to not even have to think about running out of hot water, that is until the propane runs out! God Bless Brother.
That is my thoughts as well thus far. I also have a portable waste tank. I really like the longer showers and not worring about running out of hot water. I need to do a boondocking test and see how it can be managed. Looking at the fall time to do that.
Have one in our new fuzion 373 and have the same problem. Consumes a great deal of gas even if you are at a park. When bondocking the pump doesn't always keep enough pressure to keep the heater on.
We eventually went back to the original. I also made a video on how i blew up the tankless. It was my fault. Lessons learned.
Sounds like for me I'll keep my tank heater, however when we have to shower all 3 kids we have to wait for our showers until it recovers a bit, so tankless would help there. We do have a portable tank that is 15 gallons for draining the waste tanks, with a hook to be able to tow it up to a dump station. Used it only once so far but it would have been a major pain in the butt to take apart the whole RV just to go drain the tank mid trip! I also have a 3 gallon water container I used to refill our fresh tank last time we stayed at a state park, that took several trips back and forth but the water spigot was only 100 feet away so it wasn't too big a deal. If I did a lot of boondocking I'd get a larger portable fresh tank just in case. Our 3 young kids are still learning water conservation habits 😄
I completely understand. For being in a park with full hook ups, it is no concern at all. I leave the grey tank valve open and only close it when i need water in the gerey tank to fluch the hose after dumping the black tank. I also have the portable waste tank and water jug but for boondocking/off-grid purposes, that would not be much help in the immediate. We dont boon dock as much as full hook up but I really want to start. Especially as the wather gets cooler and the need for AC is less. More to come.
Same here with my tankless, surprised how fast the water actually cools or you get hot immediately and then cold until the tankless kicks in. I do not boondock much anymore so not an issue. Our last rig had a 12 gallon suburban in it and was never an issue but I doubt you could make room for it in a towable.
I wonder if the 12 gallon hole is bigger. If not and the water heater is only longer, I may be able to make it work.
Whatever keeps the wife happy that is what you should do.
LOL. Now thats true. So far I think that she is starting to like it. As the 17 day trip went on, she said some positive things about it.
@@HowToRV My wife likes the rving life, but she wanted all her clothes in a big closet... so we bought a small house in a RV Motorcoach community and she got her closet. Now we are part time RVers. I really like the RV life, but it was getting harder to find campgrounds during the weekends and that turn her off a bit. Good luck
@@Assassin1959 I completely understand. My wife is a dog trainer and loves it with a lot of passion. We will still travel a lot more than most but never full time.
I see Mike left you a comment and I specifically took a shower after your video to test ours and ours does stay hot of course we turn off to valve on the shower head not the handle part that shuts the water completely off. The water turns TOO HOT when I turn it back on then it goes to luke warm then hot again. Hope you make the best decision that worst best for you guys.
I have heard that some people have a tankless unit that has a small holding tank or recirculation tank. Yours may have that option. Thanks for the reply and I will have to try the method that you explained to see if there is a difference.
Buy a grey water cap with a garden hose connection, and drain your GW at night.
Most locations around me specefically say to not drain to the ground. I agree that draining it every night is a solution as long as there is somewhere to put it.
you need more storage of both. it seems your truck can pull it
now a nice thing is a combination of both feed a 5 gallon heater with a tankless. I lived off grid a long time but i had a different situation If you need the glam shower off grid, camplux with a stock tank heater with a 3 way bypass of course
pardon my typos new laptop,
I will have to look into the Camplux. How is that installed in your setup.
Our Truma Aqua tankless water heater stays hot after shutting it off when showering. How that works I don’t know. I saw my truck and fifth wheel in the background. It was nice meeting you both.
Lol. Good to hear from you Mike. I am glad to hear that your DRV is doing good.
Jeez at 2400. without the door, I hope it scrubs you while showering.
We’ve been camping half a century and we have an extra 55 gallon water drum in the bed of our pickup with a hose and 13 volt pump to refill our fresh water. Works well when we need it.
Much appreciated on the feedback, I recently baught w water pillow (at least thats what I think its called) which holds an additional 75 gallons. Has worked wonderfully. The only thing is that I have to be careful to not pop it. I like the drum idea.
And what do you do with all that "extra" gray (or black) water generated?
@@abbiebeastI have a portable waste tank that I can offload to and take it somewhere I can offload. Most of the time, we don’t stay somewhere boondocking for more than 3 days and I find somewhere to dump on the way to my next spot. Even if it’s a little out of the way.
Keep the tankless. I just converted from tanked to tankless. Love the tankless. Yes it takes a bit to get used to, but very much worth it. Get yourself a fresh extra water tank for your needs, or just find a way to dump every couple days or refresh consumable water. Either way, keep the tankless. 😊
Thanks for the tips!
I was planning on installing my tankless in line with the electric/propane water heater I already had. I figured this would keep constant hot water but my electric/propane water heater developed a leak before I could do it so I just got rid of it. Not sure how well it would work boon docking. might use more propane.
From others that I have talked to, They have found that the propane (2x 30lb tanks) would last around 4 to 6 weeks of full time use. That being said though, We just went on a 17 day trip and never came off of the first propane tank. That is with cooking and the water heater too. I guess that I need to do a consumption test and see how much propane is actually used and calculated it out.
we have a tankless also on our RV, I have been thinking about a recirculation system that cane keep the water hot when you want it and not waste as must eating for the heat.
I agree
One other advantage of the tank water heater is that it effectively increases the size of your water tank. We have a 10 gallon water heater and a 50 gallon freshwater tank - so we actually have 60 gallons of freshwater storage!
I can see where you get that calculation as long as the pump can push the water out of the water heater.
keep the tankless. when boondocking, its fairly normal to not take showers or not take them as much. i would say i mostly camp with full hookup parks but have a couple state parks that i love to go to with no hookups. maybe a short shower every couple days during those trips because lets be honest here...camping with full hookups is the best. no need for generator or grey/black tank issues in the long term
I have to agree. My wife and are comparing how often we would be boondocking vs. park camping with hook ups. So far, we think keeping the tankless is the way to go. For managing the tanks, your right. We are looking to boondock for no more than 3 or 4 days and that is more than managable from what i can tell so far. Boondocking around here is much more fun in the fall and winter for us so we will have to see.
It seems to me that you should be able to reduce the flow rate to use less water rather than turn it off, and increase the flow rate to rinse. I live in a warmer climate so i have a 3rd option for warm water. I'm going with using both water heaters. I carry a portable 40 gallon tank when boondocking and don't fill it until I'm only a few miles from the camp site. It's mounted on a folding bumper platform. I'll be using this setup for the first time in a few weeks.
I already have the flow rate for whoers as low as the water heater will allow. Your right though, you would think that the tanks would adjust for really low flow rates to save on water consumption.
Your only other choice is Limit your showers, and water conservation using body wipes etc are the alternative and premade sprays for dishes or paper cups /plates for the firepit.
Great idea. I love my showers but sometime a person has to do what they have to do. For dishes, I use biodegradable soap and an external water source.
I have tankless water heater. I turn it on and wet myself when it gets warm. Soap up and turn it back on. Yes there is a few seconds of cold water coming through the line. I have a hand held shower head soi direct the spray away from my body for the 3 seconds of cold water.
To be completely honest, I was fine with it. It was the wife who really did not like it.
KEEP THE TANKLESS!! I feel that the benefits outweigh the negatives. Just avoid boondocking if possible or bring your extra catch tank!
Please come back and look for a video that I made later on. I kinda blew up the tankless and had toput the old one back in.....
Our new unit came with a tankless, we have not used yet, but I wish it were a 16 gallon
I went back to the original. I made a video on how I blew up the tankless water heater if you would like tocome back and watch. It was completely my fault. Lesson learned
My dad is a snowbird and does a lot of boondocking and he installed a water line from the shower hot water to his water tank and he turns that valve on to get the hot water to the shower to save water. he has a tanked wh but if you put the valve in the right spot I would think something like this would solve the problem
I tried something like that but didnt work to well. Since then I broke my water heater and went back tothe roiginal one. I intended to do that anyway but had to in this case. you can find the video on that one in my channel if you are interested.
I’m having this problem
Thinking of a way to put a circulation pump to keep it on when you shut off to soap up
Let me know what you came up with. To be honest, I went back to the other water heater because of Boondocking.
Actually one other choice would be a custom hybrid - if you've got enough bay space or can trailer a unit you could have have both methods and select the option on-site.
I agree and appreciate the coment.
@@HowToRV Let me know if you take up the challenge to integrate a dual solution. Best!
I installed a standard household 1/2in recirculation pump in my RV using my stock water heater. That essentially gives the "illusion" of it being tankless and has the added benefit of protecting your pipes in the winter. I think you should put the original tank back in.
Funny story...On my end....Please come back to the channel and watch my last video
@@HowToRV haha, well that's perfect. Now you can put in the recirculation pump ..... happy wife. = )
Depends on the unit. There is one that has a reservoir that it keeps hot so that doesn't happen. Once it's exhausted the heater kicks on to keep the flow hot. This eliminates the problem entirely. It's called the Truma Aqua ....Like anything else, you get what you pay for.
I so agree and a lot of folks have told me about the Truma. I looked into it and they are dealer/professional install only.
@@HowToRV Yes, that is true. The pro version even has a hot water recirc system making hot water instantly available at every faucet. They want to make sure they are installed correctly.
Add a check valve before the water heater. This will hot water that has been all ready heated to stay a warmer temperature
Great idea.
I’m assuming the showermiser would help in this situation. My coach came with one. I thought my coach came with a tankless as the 2021 model I looked at had it but the 2024 model I bought did not.
I am "now" happy to say that I went back to the original water heater that is not tankless. This is mostly because I like to RV off grid from time to time and for no more than 3 days. The tankless water heater was using way to much water. I did love the fact that the tankless was endless but really only applicable for someone who only wants to stay at campground with full hookups.
How about the installation of a hot water recirculating pump?
I thought of that but went back to the other water heater. The consumption was way to high for boondocking reasons.
It sounds like to me that the tankless system doesnt offer much, if any, advantage to you. I would go back to the standard 6 gallon RV water heater system. It will be a pain switching back, but sounds like it will be worth it. I have lived in an RV for almost 5 years now, so I have a great deal of experience with a standard water heating system. I would not switch to tankless, after seeing your experience.
Thanks for the reply. I am not fully sld just yet to maketheswitch back. As for anything, there is an adjustment period as well as considering what is the most favorable type of camping for my family and myself. I say all this because my youngest daughter for the first time in 4 years wanted to take a shower in the RV versus the facilities shower house because ofthe endless water heater.
We just bought a rig with a tankless water heater and I’m so confused!! That’s why I turned to UA-cam for some answers.
I find it way more difficult to regulate any water heat. I turn full hot and I am scalding, then I add a little bit of cold and I kind of got it to work. Mind you the water was wasting down the drain all while I sit and monkey around with it.
I will never Boondock so I would love to change mine back I don’t know if we will or not I may try to see if I can learn the process.
From what I’ve learned here I would say it if you were a big Boondocker a tankless water heater would not be a wise choice. In my opinion.
I am completely in agreeance with you. I went back to the original water heater. I kinda had to since i detroyed my tankeless but had plans anyway.
I am looking for one that is electric AC and propane preferably but how much propane does this unit use? My current 6 gallon water heater will burn thru a 20lb pretty quickly but since I'm on shore 99% I'd rather make my 40lb tanks last like they do. I only have to fill them once a year using on the furnace and stove.
Good question. I amnot full time but have been out for 2 week stretches. I have not went through my 30 lb in that timebut then again it is summer time where I do not need to run the furnace either.
Question, Are you setting the temperature to what you like, the start showering with only hot water? Or are you trying to use hot and cold? The correct way is hot only. When you turn it off, still hot in pipes, and starts heating when you turn back on. Less cold that way.
Best wishes.
Sorry to say but I blew mine up. You can find the video about that on the channel
Have you ran into the dreaded E1 error code? I seem to get that code out of my kitchen faucet 50% of the time but not the shower or bathroom faucet.
Sorry but i have not. That is weird that you are getting it only from the kitchen. What is the make and model number or your water heater?
@@HowToRV Its a 2023 Jayco but I was actually able to figure it yesterday. All my faucets had flow restrictor in them that was just enough too cause the code, I simply removed or drill them out and they note it works perfectly.
Do you leave the tankless on in the camper all the time or turn it on when needing hot water?
We turn ours on and leave it on. It only fires up when the water is running.
Sounds like both have their own benefits, just keep the wife happy. If mamma ain’t happy, life can get tough, cause nobody will be happy. 😂 GoodLuck and may God Bless Your Family.
You are not the first to say that...LOL She was not happy the first time..I really should have explained to her how the system works. Was kinda funny to me when she started screaming about the cold water. Dont tell her I said that though. LOL
ok so what if you just set H/W temp to desired temperature and don't use the cold water at all
The flow of hot water with cold vs no cold water is about the same I think. I will have to test that theory. Thanks for the idea.
From my experience with Girard tank less WH, they really sucks for boondocking . I would go to 6 gallon tank water heater , but I can't because my 5th wheel came with tank less Girard and don't have enough space to slide in 6 gallon WH they are 21" deep compare to like 15 " for tank less ones. My Girard is the first generation model with just knob for adjustment not digital temperature display, maybe the new generation works little better, but don't want to waste $600 to try and be still disappointed, if is the same result. What I heard the Truma tank less WH works better , because is the hybrid system with small tank which they say help with water temperature fluctuation, but they are not sold for DIY and I am not willing to pay over $2K to have one installed by their dealers. But when on full hook up the tank less WH works a great.
I agree. Whn on full hook up, the tankless is well worth it. We are starting to boondock more and really did not like the tankless for the same reason you mentioned. (Water Consumption)
feed your small tank with a tankless to keep it smooth
I agree but have an issue with finding room for both tanks at the same time
@@HowToRV0
If you want the long hot showers, use the sparingly. You're camping. You're supposed to get ripe once in a while. You shower twice a week not every day. 😎
Spoken from a true dry camper. Thanks.
put extra tank in your truck for water,
I have one but the grey tank is small and fills fast
There are instant hot system which have recycling of the water until hot and tell you when they are hot to turn on. I have seen them advertised on Berkshire and I believe Tiffan motor homes. Not sure what the actual systems are but both of those were on Aquahot. Personally haven’t dealt with one as I am still looking to buy my first RV but seen a lot thru research.
I have heard of those. I was actally wondering if I could design something like that as anadd on or mine.
@@HowToRV I would think so I have to believe that is how the heated floors in those RVs work by circulating hot water. Just like a fuel system bypass. A pump that circulates it back to the instant hot and merely a heat sensitive switch on the shower line that turns on a light to let you know when the water is hot in the system.
@@chucktaylor6057 I like that thought. I will have to go to the drawing board and see what I can come up with.
Just camped in our new trailer this past weekend. First time using a tankless heater. I’m not a fan at all.
It’s great if you are at a campsite with full hook ups. Then you can leave it running the whole time. Out side of that, I agree.
most of these comments are coming from people thats not really boondocking! I boondock 95 to 98% of the time I'm in my coach, I pretty much never go to a rv camp! Me personally would keep the tank water heater, 12 gallon of water a day is a lot and than u have too dump every 4 days! thats too much thinking and work! now if u like most of these people in your comments u should keep the tankless but if u do more boondocking u shouldn't!!!
I am going to stick with the tanked version. Mine is 6 gallon though. Maybe I’ll move up to a larger one.
Get a truma hot water heater. You won't have those cold water issues
I will definitely look into that. Thanks
I'd go back to the hot water heater with the tank. When I want an endless shower, I turn on the electric and propane. When I do that, I never run out of hot water and I can make good use of my shower head which allows me to turn off the water to conserve fresh water and space in my grey tank. Tankless water heaters are just not well suited for boondocking.
Just out of curiosity, what size water heater do you have?
No
Thanks
Two water heaters.
Feed your 6 gallon water heater with your tankless water heater.
If i only had the room t add it in. This does make me think though about adding a small 110v tankless inline though. Hmmmm...now another project...LOL
keep the tankless buy water blatter and demand pump cost 100.00
My issue is that I have a small grey water tank and it fills quickly.
This doesn't make sense. I have a tank less water heater and you can turn it off and on when taking a shower without getting cold water as the water in the lines is hot. The only way you get cold water is if you have it off for so long that the water in the lines cool off. I've also had a tank less water heater in my house since 1986 and would never go back to the old tank type.
I am guessing that you have a way more expensive water heater than mine. I hear that the Truma water heaters have a small tank that helps with the cold water issue.
Don't shower daily if boon docking.
Thats a problem that I have to learn to overcome. I love my daily morning showers. Even if they are brief.
@@HowToRV I know. We've been living in our 5er while our house is being built. 11 months and 1 week so far. While not "boondocking" as we have power and a water source to fill our tank, I have to deal with emptying tanks...
Don’t boondock!!!!
I have to say that ilove the freedom to stop at places where typical hook ups would not allow for
In my opinion, there is only realistically ONE SCENARIO where tankless WH are appropriate. For people that use RV parks and not really go off grid AND, have 80+ gallons of water tanks. Two, if you boondock with small tanks, stop the complaining and live with it. They were NEVER designed for your kind of use.
Tankless water heater is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist for 80% of the people that frequently use days of use at a time with a helluva lot of water….you know, RV PARK RV’ers.
Very well put. I have to fully agree.
I think you got a crappy tankless water heater. Not all tankless water heaters are the same. Get a Truma AquaGo on-demand water heater and set it to comfort mode and forget that problem. The water stays hot so when you shut off and later turn the water back on it still comes out hot. In comfort mode the water is maintained at a temp of 104 F or higher. You also will not get scalding hot water as the AquaGo uses a small mixing vessel to even out the water temp so you just get endless hot water on demand. Your present tankless water heater is obviously not doing the job for you. Watch these videos: ua-cam.com/video/th8gzAcaFsY/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/fhVusjZgWQY/v-deo.html
I would love to try out the trim but it is a dealer only install and VERY expensive.
@@HowToRV I guess it comes down to what is is worth to you...........
@@timnye718 you are right. It’s what is worth the change and budget allowance.
Quit boondocking, problem solved!.. if you want to boondock then get 100 gal water tank for the back of your truck. They make all sizes of tanks, round,square, long,short etc.. it's not that big of deal...deal with it
100 gallons. That would be an extra 835 pounds that someone would have to carry around. Most folks do not have that kind of extra vehicle weight capacity
@@HowToRV add a leaf is probably the cheapest way to go.. or an upgrade from that would be airbag rear suspension kit. I had a 1/2 ton chevy a few yrs ago that would pull weight of a 1 ton
@@roberthunter8573 I agree that it does increase the payload but what was your worry around the load capacity of the rear differential and the transmission? I would think that you would be going over the manufactures training of the rear axel as well as the transmissions torque convertor and cooling ability. All long term of course
Its a Chevy truck, not a Yugo, so I highly doubt you would hurt the axle, or transmission, as long as you take care of it, and drive it like an adult, fully. No slamming into gear, No gear changes while rolling in either direction, etc. Trucks are built for some punishment, so if you're trying not to beat it at all, and being very picky about how it's operated, you shouldn't have those type of problems. Definitely make sure that all fluids are changed BEFORE they're due! Fluid maintenance is most important for both items that you mentioned, and will be cheap insurance, against any issues. I personally, try to always go with a heavier duty truck than I actually need, so nothing will be under much of a load to begin with. I have a 32ft travel trailer that weighs about 7700lbs, and I plan to pull it with an EorF350, or, preferably, a EorF450 7.3L turbo diesel ambulance, which I am hoping will be the perfect balance for what I need. The ambulance will carry all of my automotive, and home repair tools, & equipment, to maintain my "Doomsday Rig", and to make extra cash on the side, while out on the road! Go luck to ALL of you on here! I pray that God blesses every last one of us, and makes our dream journeys come true!!! Have a super swell Saturday today everybody!!! 😂❤❤😂🎉😅
install a shower miser system
I have not heard of that. I will have to look into it.