Hardtail Vise Build Ep. 20: Tailhousing Op. 2
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2024
- We finish all of the machining for the tail housing, also called the Hardtail and get it and the nut installed onto the vise body. We'll use our @MilltronicsUSAInc to finish the hardtail flange and also use our manual lathe and mill to finish some other operations needed to get this part of the build completed.
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woot. just put the kid to bed and opened the laptop for night chill and here is a brand new Abom vid 🎉🎉
The guy who said you were milking this cannot have any hair left by now. I love the detail you are going into explaining every thing plus this your custom vise. I was wondering what finish it will have I think powder coat would be wicked.
I know that this is definitely "overkill" in terms of machining for a vise, but I am enjoying the explanation and detail for this project. This is exactly the kind of thing I would love to do (if I were so skilled) on a Saturday night out in the shop...
I was thinking the same thing with powder coating 🎉
I like the crinkle paint look or hammertone paint finish. Cold blue black is deadly looking too.
@@frankcurleyPerhaps it's a little overkill for the nominal end product but if you want to see big-time overkill for a nominal end product, just look at some of the hot rod cars people spend years and big money on what is actually a two seat convertible with bad gas mileage. Would I do the same thing if I were building another car? Absolutely! Would I bling a vise? Again, absolutely!
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The more I watch your videos the more I become impressed with your ability to fixture things. I think that might be the hardest part of machining.
100% agree with both things. Setup is the hard work for sure.
love to see the (very human) mistakes. i learned early on its not about not making mistakes but how you deal with them.
Some people make mistakes others do nothing.
Your "mistake" actually was an improvement!
Nice job.
His Plan A on how to deal with this mistake was to hide it and make no mention.
Adam, it is far easier to heckle from the audience than it is to get up on stage and do a better job (some of the comments I read). Your videos show a true master on stage, human with rare mistakes but exceptional/outstanding in your profession. Please ignore the non-constructive criticisms from hecklers who obviously value your talents highly because their comments evidence they watch every one of your episodes (is that “irony”?). Stay safe and stay happy.
Looks nice. I like that you show your mistakes and how you made them work. Only way to learn is to do.
Adam - what i appreciate most about your videos is the (practical/tutorial/instructional - pick one or more options!) format and personable style you bring to the slab -er, table....
Happy Saturday with Abom!
This channel is great. I’m not even a machinist, but I’m fairly confident after following some of these projects for a few years, I think I could thread a piece of stock if my life depended on it. Anyone that had the opportunity to work with this guy I’m sure is thankful for the experience. An A+ guy all around.
I really like the split screen shots. Thank You
I like the fixture knob to center the hard tail. Nice work.
One idea I had when watching your video was: If I was setting this part up on the mill, I would have run a piece of all-thread through the fixture, not a bolt. then left enough on top of the nut for a piece of flat bar. Probe the fixture, install the part and put a piece of flat bar down in the body to pull it down to the table square to the face milled. give some tension and bump it in line with X. then slide the angle plate up to the back and shim it with brass right in line with the big strap clamp. that won't pull it out of alignment, it will only support it. I hope this helps. I love watching your videos man, they are always awesome, keep up the great work Adam, this project is looking amazing 😍
I was thinking the same thing pull it tighter to the table so it stays square
This has been a fun project.
I always watch till the very end ......to see you standing next to your pop and papa .😊
Yet another awesome video Adam, keep these coming, this hardtail vice project has been a real favourite of mine!
Everything that Jason is doing can be programed into a 5 axis CNC machine. So once all of his finish work is done a CNC machine can take over in production.
There are men and their machines... YOU SIR are the machine making men wish they have the machines and skills you have!
Just gonna say it one more time, MACHINE!
Your awesome and thank you!
I am sure that there are people in the world that never make mistakes. Adam is not one of these people. At least he owns his short comings and is able to adapt and overcome obstacles. I take more away from his corrections than doing it all perfectly everytime. Learning is the reason for watching this channel. If you are perfect and never make mistakes then there is no need for you to watch or comment.
JUST SAYIN!!!
Sure, he made a mistake, AND WHO DOESN'T?. The mistake was made in episode 2 , was picked up on in the comments, but he did not at that time acknowledge it, which was a choice he made. Fast forward to episode 20, and them pesky stock cap heads don't fit, and the chickens have come home to roost. Just saying.
Adam, this vise is looking AMAZING! 😍 The fact that you humble enough to show your own mistakes and admit them is a true show of character and I really enjoy seeing how you work around them to fix the issue. It helps me and everyone else learn in the process. I love your videos man! thanks for doing what you do ☺
You took this from an industrial tool to a work of art.
Make sure and use some anti sieze on those stainless fasteners. They will gaul weld themselves together and are impossible to get apart sometimes. I had some 1/2" bolts on my trailer that even with a torch wouldn't budge. They ended up breaking off. Out of curiosity I cut them in half. They still wouldn't separate. It actually contact welded together!
Thanks for sharing, exploring all the wonderful tools and parts. You can make it whatever way you like, three bolts or ten bolts or bolts and pins to hold the hardtail on. Abom Customs, Love it.
The zoom is so cool it gets a great view and aspect of what’s really happening
The more and more you use and program your new tool the nore comfortable youll get with it. Took me over 1 year of everyday use to get where i am today. Been doing it now for 11 years. I still love learning new tricks and ways of doing things I've been doing "my" way better from people that have been in the industry longer or shorter than myself. Great work and just remember that if the job gets done and is to dimension than it was the right way lol. Sometimes i set things up that look crazy but if it works it works. Loving these vice build videos.
The impatient part of me wants to see it all done now but the other side of me loves all the detail and how many vids this project is.
I like the milled pockets for the tight-fitting bolts. I think it looks better with them. Well done 👍👍
Thanks for taking all of us "old school" folks along on your journey of learning the CNC "world". just like the difference between a mill and a lathe, the difference between manual and CNC is all a matter of application. Keep it up. We'll all tell you if you're doing it wrong (but then you already knew that, didn't you?
Loving this series, Adam. Fixturing is always fascinating. Appreciate your camera work too. Cheers!
I enjoy watching this series a lot. And it's always good to see what you do when an oops is made. Very fine work you do sir.
The 'mistake' on the tail flange bolt spacing is actually stronger when bolted up. If push comes to shove. I like your obsessive approach. You know you want to pocket and face the top two to match...😅
It's coming out nice. It's fine to make changes. Adapt and overcome
Moral of the story.... Castings gonna cast
Looks really good. I enjoyed the split camera view.
Another great video. Love the humility and critical thinking and general logic and thinking through. Very pleasing to watch :)
Got to admire how you so fluently around @19:00 min handle various fractions. 21/64, 5/8, 5/16, 7/8, ... Wonder how rest of world would ever think comparing 5, 6, 7 or 8.2 in relation to eachother would be simple ?
Loving the detail, especially with the shaper work. Keep it up Adam!
I don't care what anyone says, I like what Adam does and I am staying to see more. Thanks for the video, greetings to Abby
Hello from Abby 👋🏻
Man, you are making a high tolerance beautiful vice out of this ruff casting!
Great job. Thank you 😊
Adam - the manner in which you've established referrence points on those cast parts and the solutions you've implemented to solve those problems has been as intriging as it has been imperssive. The thing however that has impressed me most is your confidence 👍
I'm so incredibly impressed with your skill! Even your "mistakes" leave a terrific result. Thanks so much for sharing this project with me.
Good enough for Government work
Adam, with all the knowledge you have you have gained from this project, I would love to see you do it all over again without the small mistakes you have made on this test run. Just to satisfy my OCD🤣 Maybe just make one hour long video with everything being absolutely perfect🤤Anyways, I take my hat off to you and your skills and attention to details, love your videos. Keep up the good work❤
one thing that I learned in CNC milling is that it's usually easiest and best practice to have your Z zero set at the top of the part. the way I would have done this part is:
probe the fixture and the table, then go into the work offsets and add an incremental amount the height that you want the finished part. then your Z zero is at the top of the part. then when you're machining, your position numbers are much easier to understand and you're not having to do mental math with larger numbers. I hope this helps. If you like doing it the way you're doing it now, it clearly works, I'm just offering this as constructive criticism.
I agree. The finshed height is usually Z0.
Fantastic work. You are a great craftsman.
Very interesting work and all is coming together,Adam.Thank you.
Yes ,most enjoyable. Thanks for your hard work. 👍
The vice is looking fantastic
Easy to make a mistake like that if it's on 2 drawings or whatever, and good that you show and admit your mistake, and you rectified the problem good too
Maybe consider adding two extra bolts at specified distance along bottom to add strength to this joint rather than weaken by reducing the length of the fastener chord between bolts at bottom with the shortened distance between bolts. May actually look good but will definitely increase strenght for this joint. Ray Stormont
Always the best. From West Coast ,Canada.
I'm going with my initial gut feeling on this. Jason has been having trouble getting this done. Adam is spending time on programs, tooling, and fixtures to do this and making some improvements along the way. Jason needs to sell the American version at a higher price and there needs to be some "tweaks" to justify that price. From the beginning, I have been saying that Adam is going to manufacture these for Fireball. That would justify all the "development" work. A Fireball hardtail vice machined by Abom79. What's not to like?
The only people that never make mistakes are the ones who never machine anything ever
Very nice n glad you are enjoying what you do.
Good job great voice..
This is really looking good, Adam. Nice job!
What a beautiful vice!
Thank you for this series.
I am really into this vice customization project! It’s interesting, informative and very entertaining!
16 Seconds for four holes? I barely would have enough time to break the first drill, much less extract it, drive to dollar store, buy another one and get back......Guess I am not quite the "skilled" machinist as you! Thank you for the videos, love the work and presentation.
Great work, lots of fun to watch!
That’s starting to look real fine
in hindsight I can say doing this side first and then the bottom side would have made the setup easier.
The Fireball Tool vise is coming right along Adam. Lookin good!
Looking forward to the shaper content.
It's getting good!
I love this series
Hallo,a verry nice Projekt to learn CNC,nice Video,thank you for all the Time I watch your Videos and learn so mutch from You. Ilook your Chanel over very mutch Year and this is the first Koment from me,my English is not so good i`m 62 Years old live in Germany and have verry mutch old School Maschines.Nothing under one Tonne 🤗 Detlef
Closer day by day!!!
You answered my question from the other video, thanks!
Adam as it comes together… I can see now that if it was ME…. I would have taken the castings to an Engine machine or
shop or someplace that could and had them
Shot Blast it with Steel Shot before the machining started.
I
have thoroughly enjoyed this series
Great series (so far)... :-)
This vice come out , better than the specs says.
Nice video, fixtures are a very important part of matching 👴🏻👍
great video man keep goin
Looking great there Adam. I am with you on SS fasteners. Wish I had the where with all to purchase one of these Hardtail Vises. Still great to watch you make your personalized version, thanks for sharing.
i like the split screen scenes.
I think a nice dark green or blue would look good on the casted surfaces!
Great video. This milling was complicated because cast iron pieces aren t uniform
I love the idea of custom washers, maybe with a bevel to suit?
I can't wait to see the tolerances on this when it's all done
great lensing
yay! more shaper footage coming up😁
You need to have Abby help you do a custom red white and blue paint job for the vice.
Obviously we’ll need a video of that too because we love when she is on the channel 😊!!!
You're not serious surely?
That’s so sweet! -Abby ❤
It seems that you always are running Climb milling, which is the Fusion 360 default. If you want to run Conventional milling you can do so under the “Passes” tab, “Sideways Compensation”. Maybe you already know, but I just wanted to provide a little help with Fusion. Keep up the good work!
For what reason would he want to use conventional milling?
stainless bolts and nuts do look good, but 304 and 316 at least really gall up easily! make sure to use anti-seize.
Will you be drawing a New as built doc for future considerations?
I like your usage of SS and larger size.
It makes it look much better functionally sound.
Good on ya Pilgram. You've come far.
i would body work that vise and do a show quality finish on when your done you have really knocked it out the park Sir
I understand why you don't respond or even read the comments. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Nice!
I would have re-drilled and tapped the bottom holes in the correct position. Since it's not terribly critical you could do it by hand. I think it would be less work actually. I really like this build and your presentation... Carry on!
Had he done that, he'd have had to admit to his error; instead, he tried to hide it. Plan A was to carry on regardless and make no mention of the changed hole positions. Was it a mistake, or was it a design change made by Adam? we will never know. Then the cap heads didn't fit, and it was game over; Plan B was mea culpa.
OK I have debated with myself about making this commitment because people will say I'm a hater which I feel I'm the farthest from I think Adom is a great craftsman. With that being said the biggest lie he ever told himself was nobody's going to see the misplaced lower bolts especially if you are going to keep this vise. If you are anything like me you'll see it every time you walk past it. I think it would be a great video to see you make plugs for the holes freeze the plugs & put them in the holes. Why? Because it's cool.
Nice
Yeah it’s Saturday Abom
Adam: Regarding the two bottom holes at the wrong, or same spacing as the top holes. Keep in mind these are pre-production prototypes. This is where manufacturing works out all the bugs in a manufacturing process. I'm sure Jason will eagerly embrace all the blueprint errors, manufacturing suggestions and more. I also think of the WWII, B29 Super-Fortress (bomber that dropped the atomic bomb). D/T the pressures of war-time production Boeing was forced to rush the B29 into production, as a result between the first Bomber off the production line and the last there were over 36,000 design alternations/changes made to that aircraft. So you read an error into the blueprint and drilled two holes at the wrong spacing, whoopee! Suggestion: drill two new holes in the correct location. Take some J/B Weld fill up the two boo boo holes, sand them smooth, then texture them to match the castiron. Once painted the mistake is no longer a mistake.
As a kid I was once told by an old craftsman, "the difference between a craftsman and a carpenter is the craftsman is an expert at hiding his mistakes!"
That old craftsman was my Dad. Apparently, he got around quite a bit.
These are not pre production prototypes. They have been in production for a while.
Make the entire swivel hold down from Stainless.. It'll look great.
In high school i took "Beginning Drafting". One of my drawings got an "F" because I showed four bolt holes while specifying the distance between the top pair but not the bottom pair. "But they are the same," I protested. "Yes, but never ever do that, because sometimes they they will not be the same. This is standard practice. Specify everything on each sheet, so that the person working from you drawing does not need to make a guess." I am convinced that they person who developed and designed this vice has never had a class in drafting. Version control (which caused another problem), and specifying each and every dimension on each sheet are taught in the _first_ drafting class so that you will never develop bad habits.
The cost of this vise is well worth it after all this work that’s required. You don’t appreciate it until you see all the machining involved.
Weld the wrongly drilled hole and re drill and tap is always an option
its cast iron
That clearance correction/mod for the bottom nuts side truned out really pretty at the end !
put the base in the lathe again and smooth the anchor channels a bit.
G'day Adam. Nice setup with all sides, angles etc.
Looking at the thickness to be milled, it looks to be about 1/2" or .500" . If .300 was to be taken off, it would become very thin for size & weight
1/8" or .125" looked about best.
Still good work