To be fair since day 1 i did listen to the streamers, and they always said it is hard to keep up with 6 dps or 6 mains ,that is why i picked 3 supports as my bottom 3 ,and my top 3 are dps classes ,and i am chilling and having fun in the game .
The situation of the game it's like he said: "it's very expensive to reach even normal Aegir". A few solutions to increase the support population, bring more players back and for the new players to stay playing it's: - Honing buff from 1540 to 1600: make it silver based cost, lower the resource cost and increase the odds to upgrade. - Honing buff from 1600 to 1620, lower the resource cost and increase the odds to upgrade. - Elixir: make it silver based cost, increase the amount of chances (from 14 to 16), increase the number of rerolls (from 2 to 4), remove some terrible options/choices from the pool. - Transcendence: increse the amount of chances from all levels pieces to get 3 "flowers" (at least 1 more chance for every level piece) and reduce the amount of distorted field (purple field) for some level pieces (some pieces you really need at least Elzowyn grace 1, 2 or 3 to succeed and it's very time consuming). - Honing buff at Tier 4 (normal honing and advanced honing until level 10): lower the resource cost.
- super expensive to get into 1660 or 1680 - supports aren’t as exciting especially no meter to watch uptime - support ark passive just blah - insane fusion material requirement for honing and advanced (5k+) I’d love to bring my supports into aegir but it’s too much of a leap now. I’ll wait for a honing nerf and slow roll and play other games.
The support is not everyone's cup of tea, even if smilegate gives free 1680 sups to everyone there will still be sup shortage cause people that wanna play dps play dps and the number of support players that play sup will stay the same. We don't feel we're getting stronger, we don't have any real feedback (radiant supporter can go to hell) We don't usually bus so we have less gold earned and since the gameplay between normal and hard mode is not that much different other than needing to babysit players so they don't get 1 shot every 2 move the boss makes there's no incentive to push to end game hm content. There are only 3 sup classes to choose from which at the essence are all the same play style: press buff nr 1, keep brand up, press buff nr 2 pop meter skill whenever you see good timing I wanna paint if I'm artist (we mostly do but not all skills, also the healing bubble makes not sense class-wise), wanna make music not a cacaphony with the bard, (pala is not creative but would be nice to have some religion related stuff like the literal hand of god falling from the sky) When t4 came all classes have options to choose their gameplay style from, all we got is a big "F U" with 2nd and 3rd lines of ark passive being mandatory. Smilegate needs to stop treating sup as 2nd class citizens and need to address the sup gameplay issue or they'll never fix the shortage.
I disagree but giving a free 1680 isn't the way to do it. Currently there is a massive wave a people pushing a support it just costs too much to do initially. This is for every new raid release its the same thing you don't have enough support mains. The incentive was there. I used gold from accessories from my main to push my support to 1680 because it's insta accept and used the gold from supports accessories to make a profit. I made gold by pushing to 1680 that is incentive enough no? People are sitting on over a million gold not pushing but they don't realize they will make that gold back and then some if they reach 1680
Guild wars did support really well. Every class can be played as support, even a berserker or the equivalent of the assassin. They deal average damage and can support pretty well, both in one build. Lost ark should let you copy ilvl on a support if you have a certain number of dps characters over a certain ilvl. But they will lose money, so I don’t see this happening
I've been saying the same thing since the start of the game, yes is just a bandaid solution but it wouldve helped a lot during the lifespan of the game, make supports honing costs 50% off across everything. While a rework of supports and/or removal etc might be what most people want, realistically like you said it's kinda hard to balance it considering how important they are plus we are too far into the games life to straight up remove them (lot of ppl actually main them what would happen)
You cannot nerf honing for 1 type of class that would never fly. Instead do this support thrive at ilvl for raids while dps are encouraged to be more juiced so why not back load honing. Make it easy AF to get to 1680 but if you want to go beyond then it increases exponentially to make up for the honing costs save up to 1680.
The problem is that it’s too hard for characters to progress to end game content so people are basically only playing the character they enjoy playing. Which generally just isn’t support. Other games at the very least aren’t nearly as difficult to reach the endgame with which at least improves the situation quite a bit.
Yes everyone knows there is a support shortage. Yes everyone knows the game is p2w sheesh more bland, recycled takes from this “content creator” Dude plays the game for a living and cant even be bothered to play 1 support… you are the problem, not part of the solution. Saint 0 supps benji 0 supps Zeals 0 supps stoopz 0 supps until ignite. YOU GUYS ARE THE PROBLEM. NOT US, NOT SMILEGATE. How about taking some accountability for once instead of blaming the world. We literally just had to most juiced event of all time there is 0 excuse for not having a supp on roster
Your argument isn't completely wrong, but saying Smilegate isn't the problem is ridiculous, it's their game and they designed it the way it is, so while the big content creators could make a difference by playing supports and making them look more attractive, the problem would persist. If you paint shit gold it's still shit.
Another issue is the playerbase themselves, due to the 6 characters 3 raids (18 raids overall) people are constantly expecting perfection from people. I have a duo partner that mains 6 supports, but we stopped playing shortly before akkan and when we came back we can't get into parties because its not hw and we dont have title. so now we are even further behind. and we are in all the Mokoko discords but even for those learning parties for Thaemine and Behemoth are rare. How are we suppose to get full transendence when we can't get thaemine done?
An honest discussion. There is nothing smilegate can do to make supports fun to play. They are the best dps class in the game and even with dps meter show exactly this, there is still a shortage. Progression is the root issue. Maybe it's time we get a tag system so we can have 2 characters at the leading ilvl. If SG is gonna be greedy, stingey racoons for honing; then at least give us a 2nd character for almost free.
Lets be honest tho, that has been the trend since launch, let me give some examples: Pheongate: "ohnoes WE fucked up, lets punish the playerbase for our mistake" Ignite: ohnoes WE fucked up, lets punish the playerbase for our mistake" Those 2 examples, are some hard examples tho, but, that is how they been doing ever since launch, instead of owning up to the mistake, and compensate players for THEYRE mistake, they punish the playerbase instead, no wonder, the steamcharts look like they do, and how the game continues to bleed players, along with making it damn near impossible for ANY fresh blood to come into it TLDR: they got an insane platform, which, could have been a MASSIVE hit, but due to greed, and EXTREMELY poor decisionmaking, they game keeps bleeding players
what they should do is add a honing buff, after Main reach NM/HM ivl entry, they get massive honing buff for alts, I'm talking about min. 50%/60 + gold/mats reduction for rest of roster.
I am a support main and its so stupid to see people treating the role as a bargaining chip. It doesnt fix anything, just adds to the problem. SG dont invest on the role. Design is shit, ark passive is bland, level and power means nothing and no feedback to supporting. Just rework the role to be more like a utility and let it not be mandatory, if they do not want to invest in it, let the 1% of the playerbase go. The other solution is give us more healing tools instead of being a damage buff bot and put 1 support per group in a 8man raid and 2 in behe to alleviate the need. I would like to heal more.
It's the same shit I keep saying every time, the game is just too alt-unfriendly. People like to bring up stuff like elixirs and transcendence but that's only a small part, honing from 1540 to 1580 for Akkan and then from 1580 to 1620 for T4 is legit like yanking your own teeth out with no painkillers. I think Smilegate is aware of the issue (even in KR T4 launch was an absolute shitshow and retained basically zero new players) but if we don't get some major overhaul announcements during LOAON I'm not sure how hopeful I'll be for the future of the game.
On Sunday I sat in a lobby as a support nm agire waiting for about 30 min looking for dps. There was about 4 other lobbies doing the same. It was strange
Support will always be broken so whats wrong with making them more broken? as long as they increase the parties dps b by 1.3x they will always be min max. So just let them feel good about playing their class lol
New player here, holding back on playing support. Have to choose dps when I play solo or support the few times I would play in a group. Sure I'm super new so might be some fix to this like being able to switch between support or dps.
Honestly don't even think u need that many alts, if you're pushing many alts in aegir as f2p you're never making back the amount of gold u spend unless u playing for the next 10 years, just stick to 1 or 2 main characters and u will need less resources to get them up to latest raid content. Fresh ignite character 1640 ilvl, used all the event shards+x3 hyper awakening rc packs to get to 1660 and just bing chill in aegir normal eventually i will get 5 ancient gears to open ark passive anyway
This has always been my number 1 issue with the game. I really hope smilegate addresses the support issue. They have in the past but didn't do anything meaningful in response. At this point I dont think smilegate will do anything and AGS needs to step in to make region specific changes wheather that be a support only honing event, in game damage buff numbers, or a general honing nerf to t4
So nothing's changed since I quit 😂. These sort of fundamental issues make this game unplayable. Raids should be designed for all dps, and support only should be optional for maybe a quicker clear or smth. But game isn't like this, so gg no re
It's because support is so insanely good, they'd have to make it piss easy with support to be able to do it without support(or atleast way more mech heavy and less basic pattern)
@@chriso6042 thats why i said its a fundamental issue. of course there are still ways, theyre devs - they have literally thousands of knobs they can tune. people have been talking about things like tripods that help or removal/increasing the pot limit, etc. its just theyre incentivized to not fix the issue, because they want u to fomo/get gatekept so u swipe. so its not that *they cant fix it*, its that *they dont want to fix it*.
Quitting this game before T4 was the greatest thing. Feels like weight has been taken off my shoulders, and i cannot fathom coming back to this Korean 🗑️
What a stupid take, you shouldn’t have to be forced to play a class you don’t want to play, and there shouldn’t be restrictions on party composition imo.
1. Playing sup feels like shit 2. Reaching 1660 is too expensive 3. Aegir should be 1650 tops 4. Ark Passive for sups is shit 5. No big booba sup class
Main support with 4 support in roster here. I quit after T4 dropped like a week. Feeling hopeless and won’t be able to catch up with majority. Also I hate the fact as week passed, learning lobby going to be less and will be “trophy or title needed” in a month. Most of my roster is 1620 after pushed to 1640, I realize so many stuff needs to be done. Relic books being a gold pain.Ark passive which is not unlock after turning into T4 is sad, Why I cant try new stuff I wished for after a whole T3 bland support gameplay maintaining 3 uptime? I can’t even see my rdps and It’s boring af, More than that trying to push to 1660 is pain so I quit. The progression idea is awful. I turn back to wow and ff14 as the main support not willing to return unless they fix the vertical. PS: Advanced honing is gone ,greedy dev.
To be honest I don't think supp balance is an issue, but how much money you should invest to have a support in this game. A had friends who main support and quit the game bacause they were not were struggling doing side content and also because of the prices of items and Engravings. Imho and in short term Smilegate should give a power pass or reduce the amount of money you should invest for supports so you people can have them as an Alt in the end content. I don't see a long term solution and this is really anoying a lot of people and only helping people who has statics and sell buss raids.
I play 8 Supports and struggle most of the times finding groups because they all have Supports. Also often the Supports have the highest ilvl of the Party. Don't get why everyone is complaining. 😂
By the time they wake up they need to update solo mode and increase its rewards its gonna be to late. I'm already prepared to quit the game for good if I don't see new solo raids till the end of the year. It's so much better to be able to login whenever you want and do the raids solo on your alts, even if you get less gold from them.
I also have 4 pally left from the toxic player base .Came back to try solo raids was going to move to group content but No Mokoko Leaf. Time to Quit again
Support main here... I love playing support classes. I have 6 bards and 2 paladins. I quit lost ark due to the hard wipe failure criteria of raids. I like difficult content, but the anxiety from failing a raid is too much and I would rather play another game. Sorry, love the combat in LA, but don't like the feeling this game creates.
For all : Trancendance must be deleted as system Elexirs must be like tripods. Only this 2 game desing decrease cost to actualy going in raid by a 400k-1kk gold. From valtan to akkan very fine support population Any think forward => Support shortage cuz making a supports alt is EXPENSIVE T4 early EVEN HANDER cuz you need advance honing above! T4 Brel even MORE expensive cuz Karma
You and your kind are the best gatekeepers… i now see that people are putting 1650 behemoth requirement even tho it a 1620 gate even if you have the title and transcendence and elixir…
6:45 nope, and this is the ultimate problem and how the game will die. unless they erase the support role and rework everybody in DPS with extra synegy skill and utility spread ( and they had this big game changer occasion with the ark passive skill tree t4 launch to be a brand new rebalanced lost ark) another solution is to give for free a maxed out support char to new player coming from ignite server, they get a 1680 paladin/bard/artist so you solve 2 problem with one stone. this char could also be just rented and "expire from version to version" so you can't simply fill your roster with maxed out char by doing nothing. the problem of this solution is that you kinda exploiting new players life sticking with one boring role xD that maybe they don't like for them to earn those juice gold so after they can create a second char dps and raise it enjoying the actual game. but hey iz a free maxed out char, is not that bad of a deal. granted new player getting catapulted in the last endgame content is not ideal, but is a great solution to alleviate two problem at the same time.
This my be the most regarded comment I've seen. Of all the comments in this comment section you win the most regarded comment. Hm being flooded with 50/50 sup that don't know what they are doing. There are support mains too. Why not just fix the game instead of going something so regarded.
My support is parked at 1610 too expensive to push a class that isn't fun even though necessary and by expensive I mean elixirs and transcendence is too time consuming for me to care
Clearly clueless just go later in the week idk why but people are just dent , After Saturday for some reason it becomes a DPS shortage slowly but surely. We have a slight shortage but its barely noticeable if u understand the party finder and pay attention to it , same with guardians tho , 20mins Supp shortage then its 15mins DPS shortage into Supp shortage .
Eh... it is peoples fault for having rosters like yours. Smilegate could make improvements to support class to make it more enjoyable but at the end of the day you guys pick which character to push to the latest content. and we all know supp shortage is almost always a thing when the raid releases. Its your choice what char you are going to make but its also you that will feel the consequences.
well who is surprise about a P2W game to work like that , as long ppl pay for it it's not gonna change i can tell u (ofc i don't like it but raid too good so meh)
A lot of supps i know quit because they get jailed in pugs or a dps in their static always brings their rat alts to the run since the rat alts get gatekept. On top of this; if the supp wants to do their own raid, they get gaslit by said rat alt individuals. So now if they do play, they're on perma offline mode 😂
they just have to create a Carakter slot where only Supps can be slottet and give this Slot a bonus to honing chances and and lower the cost per tab and stuff... and tada alot of people would fill this slot to get an extra char for high raids which does not cost that much to hone
Heavily weight supports to be MVP, problem solved. No need to thank me, and it's free of charge. Just let the game glaze the hell out of supports to make them feel special.
To be fair since day 1 i did listen to the streamers, and they always said it is hard to keep up with 6 dps or 6 mains ,that is why i picked 3 supports as my bottom 3 ,and my top 3 are dps classes ,and i am chilling and having fun in the game .
im at 2 supps 1 dps atm and i dont think its possible to keep supps dps ratio work XD
coming from a content creator who enjoys and enforces gatekeep, this is just funny
The situation of the game it's like he said: "it's very expensive to reach even normal Aegir". A few solutions to increase the support population, bring more players back and for the new players to stay playing it's:
- Honing buff from 1540 to 1600: make it silver based cost, lower the resource cost and increase the odds to upgrade.
- Honing buff from 1600 to 1620, lower the resource cost and increase the odds to upgrade.
- Elixir: make it silver based cost, increase the amount of chances (from 14 to 16), increase the number of rerolls (from 2 to 4), remove some terrible options/choices from the pool.
- Transcendence: increse the amount of chances from all levels pieces to get 3 "flowers" (at least 1 more chance for every level piece) and reduce the amount of distorted field (purple field) for some level pieces (some pieces you really need at least Elzowyn grace 1, 2 or 3 to succeed and it's very time consuming).
- Honing buff at Tier 4 (normal honing and advanced honing until level 10): lower the resource cost.
So how does that help the support shortage at 1680? Sure that's great QOL but that does absolutely nothing for 1680bsupport shortage.
Look kid , if they made it easier to hone , I’m just gunna hone another dps, someone else can hone support
- super expensive to get into 1660 or 1680
- supports aren’t as exciting especially no meter to watch uptime
- support ark passive just blah
- insane fusion material requirement for honing and advanced (5k+)
I’d love to bring my supports into aegir but it’s too much of a leap now. I’ll wait for a honing nerf and slow roll and play other games.
A better title.. a player shortage !
So youre saying if more people played the game those people would play supports and not dps?
havent done aegir becasue no supports bruh so i just stop playing for the last 2 weeks.
This is karma when the community act nasty towards players especially support mains.
The support is not everyone's cup of tea, even if smilegate gives free 1680 sups to everyone there will still be sup shortage cause people that wanna play dps play dps and the number of support players that play sup will stay the same.
We don't feel we're getting stronger, we don't have any real feedback (radiant supporter can go to hell) We don't usually bus so we have less gold earned and since the gameplay between normal and hard mode is not that much different other than needing to babysit players so they don't get 1 shot every 2 move the boss makes there's no incentive to push to end game hm content.
There are only 3 sup classes to choose from which at the essence are all the same play style: press buff nr 1, keep brand up, press buff nr 2 pop meter skill whenever you see good timing
I wanna paint if I'm artist (we mostly do but not all skills, also the healing bubble makes not sense class-wise), wanna make music not a cacaphony with the bard, (pala is not creative but would be nice to have some religion related stuff like the literal hand of god falling from the sky)
When t4 came all classes have options to choose their gameplay style from, all we got is a big "F U" with 2nd and 3rd lines of ark passive being mandatory.
Smilegate needs to stop treating sup as 2nd class citizens and need to address the sup gameplay issue or they'll never fix the shortage.
I disagree but giving a free 1680 isn't the way to do it. Currently there is a massive wave a people pushing a support it just costs too much to do initially. This is for every new raid release its the same thing you don't have enough support mains.
The incentive was there. I used gold from accessories from my main to push my support to 1680 because it's insta accept and used the gold from supports accessories to make a profit. I made gold by pushing to 1680 that is incentive enough no?
People are sitting on over a million gold not pushing but they don't realize they will make that gold back and then some if they reach 1680
Cauttyh: Get rid of supports
Also Cauttyh: We neeeeeeeeeeeeeed support? Why aren't we making more?
also mr cauttyh : no supports on his roster
Guild wars did support really well. Every class can be played as support, even a berserker or the equivalent of the assassin. They deal average damage and can support pretty well, both in one build. Lost ark should let you copy ilvl on a support if you have a certain number of dps characters over a certain ilvl. But they will lose money, so I don’t see this happening
I've been saying the same thing since the start of the game, yes is just a bandaid solution but it wouldve helped a lot during the lifespan of the game, make supports honing costs 50% off across everything.
While a rework of supports and/or removal etc might be what most people want, realistically like you said it's kinda hard to balance it considering how important they are plus we are too far into the games life to straight up remove them (lot of ppl actually main them what would happen)
You cannot nerf honing for 1 type of class that would never fly. Instead do this support thrive at ilvl for raids while dps are encouraged to be more juiced so why not back load honing. Make it easy AF to get to 1680 but if you want to go beyond then it increases exponentially to make up for the honing costs save up to 1680.
The problem is that it’s too hard for characters to progress to end game content so people are basically only playing the character they enjoy playing. Which generally just isn’t support. Other games at the very least aren’t nearly as difficult to reach the endgame with which at least improves the situation quite a bit.
Yes everyone knows there is a support shortage. Yes everyone knows the game is p2w sheesh more bland, recycled takes from this “content creator”
Dude plays the game for a living and cant even be bothered to play 1 support… you are the problem, not part of the solution. Saint 0 supps benji 0 supps Zeals 0 supps stoopz 0 supps until ignite. YOU GUYS ARE THE PROBLEM. NOT US, NOT SMILEGATE. How about taking some accountability for once instead of blaming the world. We literally just had to most juiced event of all time there is 0 excuse for not having a supp on roster
Your argument isn't completely wrong, but saying Smilegate isn't the problem is ridiculous, it's their game and they designed it the way it is, so while the big content creators could make a difference by playing supports and making them look more attractive, the problem would persist. If you paint shit gold it's still shit.
Another issue is the playerbase themselves, due to the 6 characters 3 raids (18 raids overall) people are constantly expecting perfection from people. I have a duo partner that mains 6 supports, but we stopped playing shortly before akkan and when we came back we can't get into parties because its not hw and we dont have title. so now we are even further behind. and we are in all the Mokoko discords but even for those learning parties for Thaemine and Behemoth are rare. How are we suppose to get full transendence when we can't get thaemine done?
An honest discussion. There is nothing smilegate can do to make supports fun to play. They are the best dps class in the game and even with dps meter show exactly this, there is still a shortage.
Progression is the root issue. Maybe it's time we get a tag system so we can have 2 characters at the leading ilvl. If SG is gonna be greedy, stingey racoons for honing; then at least give us a 2nd character for almost free.
Lets be honest tho, that has been the trend since launch, let me give some examples:
Pheongate: "ohnoes WE fucked up, lets punish the playerbase for our mistake"
Ignite: ohnoes WE fucked up, lets punish the playerbase for our mistake"
Those 2 examples, are some hard examples tho, but, that is how they been doing ever since launch, instead of owning up to the mistake, and compensate players for THEYRE mistake, they punish the playerbase instead, no wonder, the steamcharts look like they do, and how the game continues to bleed players, along with making it damn near impossible for ANY fresh blood to come into it
TLDR: they got an insane platform, which, could have been a MASSIVE hit, but due to greed, and EXTREMELY poor decisionmaking, they game keeps bleeding players
what they should do is add a honing buff, after Main reach NM/HM ivl entry, they get massive honing buff for alts, I'm talking about min. 50%/60 + gold/mats reduction for rest of roster.
I am a support main and its so stupid to see people treating the role as a bargaining chip. It doesnt fix anything, just adds to the problem. SG dont invest on the role. Design is shit, ark passive is bland, level and power means nothing and no feedback to supporting. Just rework the role to be more like a utility and let it not be mandatory, if they do not want to invest in it, let the 1% of the playerbase go.
The other solution is give us more healing tools instead of being a damage buff bot and put 1 support per group in a 8man raid and 2 in behe to alleviate the need. I would like to heal more.
It's the same shit I keep saying every time, the game is just too alt-unfriendly. People like to bring up stuff like elixirs and transcendence but that's only a small part, honing from 1540 to 1580 for Akkan and then from 1580 to 1620 for T4 is legit like yanking your own teeth out with no painkillers. I think Smilegate is aware of the issue (even in KR T4 launch was an absolute shitshow and retained basically zero new players) but if we don't get some major overhaul announcements during LOAON I'm not sure how hopeful I'll be for the future of the game.
On Sunday I sat in a lobby as a support nm agire waiting for about 30 min looking for dps. There was about 4 other lobbies doing the same. It was strange
Support will always be broken so whats wrong with making them more broken? as long as they increase the parties dps b by 1.3x they will always be min max. So just let them feel good about playing their class lol
New player here, holding back on playing support. Have to choose dps when I play solo or support the few times I would play in a group. Sure I'm super new so might be some fix to this like being able to switch between support or dps.
Honestly don't even think u need that many alts, if you're pushing many alts in aegir as f2p you're never making back the amount of gold u spend unless u playing for the next 10 years, just stick to 1 or 2 main characters and u will need less resources to get them up to latest raid content. Fresh ignite character 1640 ilvl, used all the event shards+x3 hyper awakening rc packs to get to 1660 and just bing chill in aegir normal eventually i will get 5 ancient gears to open ark passive anyway
This has always been my number 1 issue with the game. I really hope smilegate addresses the support issue. They have in the past but didn't do anything meaningful in response. At this point I dont think smilegate will do anything and AGS needs to step in to make region specific changes wheather that be a support only honing event, in game damage buff numbers, or a general honing nerf to t4
KR bozos just look at the data and say eh, there 1 sup for 6 players so its fine. They had 6 years to fix this shit and did NOTHING
So nothing's changed since I quit 😂. These sort of fundamental issues make this game unplayable. Raids should be designed for all dps, and support only should be optional for maybe a quicker clear or smth. But game isn't like this, so gg no re
It's because support is so insanely good, they'd have to make it piss easy with support to be able to do it without support(or atleast way more mech heavy and less basic pattern)
@@chriso6042 thats why i said its a fundamental issue. of course there are still ways, theyre devs - they have literally thousands of knobs they can tune. people have been talking about things like tripods that help or removal/increasing the pot limit, etc. its just theyre incentivized to not fix the issue, because they want u to fomo/get gatekept so u swipe. so its not that *they cant fix it*, its that *they dont want to fix it*.
Quitting this game before T4 was the greatest thing. Feels like weight has been taken off my shoulders, and i cannot fathom coming back to this Korean 🗑️
Everyone complains about support shortage but most of you dont Even play support, a bit silly
100%
What a stupid take, you shouldn’t have to be forced to play a class you don’t want to play, and there shouldn’t be restrictions on party composition imo.
@ then enjoy lobby sim
@@In-ep5zu nope, solo raid only now so I just play whenever I feel like it
Who wants to play a boring class
1. Playing sup feels like shit
2. Reaching 1660 is too expensive
3. Aegir should be 1650 tops
4. Ark Passive for sups is shit
5. No big booba sup class
1660 is pretty easy imo. If you didn't do advanced hone 10 on characters that you knew you would be playing in t4 that's on you.
Main support with 4 support in roster here. I quit after T4 dropped like a week. Feeling hopeless and won’t be able to catch up with majority. Also I hate the fact as week passed, learning lobby going to be less and will be “trophy or title needed” in a month. Most of my roster is 1620 after pushed to 1640, I realize so many stuff needs to be done. Relic books being a gold pain.Ark passive which is not unlock after turning into T4 is sad, Why I cant try new stuff I wished for after a whole T3 bland support gameplay maintaining 3 uptime? I can’t even see my rdps and It’s boring af, More than that trying to push to 1660 is pain so I quit. The progression idea is awful. I turn back to wow and ff14 as the main support not willing to return unless they fix the vertical.
PS: Advanced honing is gone ,greedy dev.
To be honest I don't think supp balance is an issue, but how much money you should invest to have a support in this game.
A had friends who main support and quit the game bacause they were not were struggling doing side content and also because of the prices of items and Engravings.
Imho and in short term Smilegate should give a power pass or reduce the amount of money you should invest for supports so you people can have them as an Alt in the end content.
I don't see a long term solution and this is really anoying a lot of people and only helping people who has statics and sell buss raids.
1640-1660 push feels so fucking bad for alts if you didn't touch advanced honing with your excess tier 3 mats.
I play 8 Supports and struggle most of the times finding groups because they all have Supports. Also often the Supports have the highest ilvl of the Party. Don't get why everyone is complaining. 😂
I just joined lobbies with 2 sup already for my attempts at hm prog then clear for aegir.
By the time they wake up they need to update solo mode and increase its rewards its gonna be to late. I'm already prepared to quit the game for good if I don't see new solo raids till the end of the year. It's so much better to be able to login whenever you want and do the raids solo on your alts, even if you get less gold from them.
I also have 4 pally left from the toxic player base .Came back to try solo raids was going to move to group content but No Mokoko Leaf. Time to Quit again
Love you man, please never change.
Support main here... I love playing support classes. I have 6 bards and 2 paladins. I quit lost ark due to the hard wipe failure criteria of raids. I like difficult content, but the anxiety from failing a raid is too much and I would rather play another game. Sorry, love the combat in LA, but don't like the feeling this game creates.
For all :
Trancendance must be deleted as system
Elexirs must be like tripods.
Only this 2 game desing decrease cost to actualy going in raid by a 400k-1kk gold.
From valtan to akkan very fine support population
Any think forward => Support shortage cuz making a supports alt is EXPENSIVE
T4 early EVEN HANDER cuz you need advance honing above!
T4 Brel even MORE expensive cuz Karma
You and your kind are the best gatekeepers… i now see that people are putting 1650 behemoth requirement even tho it a 1620 gate even if you have the title and transcendence and elixir…
What do you mean by you and your kind lol
@ elitist sweaty player that wanna play only with those that far exceed requirement for easy. Content
I see them doing a stupid event like DFO that only works on supports, while the class is still bland and boring.
6:45 nope, and this is the ultimate problem and how the game will die. unless they erase the support role and rework everybody in DPS with extra synegy skill and utility spread
( and they had this big game changer occasion with the ark passive skill tree t4 launch to be a brand new rebalanced lost ark)
another solution is to give for free a maxed out support char to new player coming from ignite server, they get a 1680 paladin/bard/artist so you solve 2 problem with one stone.
this char could also be just rented and "expire from version to version" so you can't simply fill your roster with maxed out char by doing nothing.
the problem of this solution is that you kinda exploiting new players life sticking with one boring role xD that maybe they don't like for them to earn those juice gold so after they can create a second char dps and raise it enjoying the actual game. but hey iz a free maxed out char, is not that bad of a deal.
granted new player getting catapulted in the last endgame content is not ideal, but is a great solution to alleviate two problem at the same time.
This my be the most regarded comment I've seen. Of all the comments in this comment section you win the most regarded comment. Hm being flooded with 50/50 sup that don't know what they are doing. There are support mains too. Why not just fix the game instead of going something so regarded.
Sup main with 1691 bard, and 2 1640 sups, with 3 other 1600 supports, I'll hone more up but I need moar GOLD :D
Brought one from ignite so I'm doing my part
I dont hate playing support but when you force me to do elixer and transcendents nah dropped it
WE BLAME SUPPORT
My support is parked at 1610 too expensive to push a class that isn't fun even though necessary and by expensive I mean elixirs and transcendence is too time consuming for me to care
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I'm 1687+ and I'm still not able to find supports for Aegir hard
Clearly clueless just go later in the week idk why but people are just dent , After Saturday for some reason it becomes a DPS shortage slowly but surely. We have a slight shortage but its barely noticeable if u understand the party finder and pay attention to it , same with guardians tho , 20mins Supp shortage then its 15mins DPS shortage into Supp shortage .
It was not that way until this week.. I think people are finally hitting 1660 on supp alts(I know I did on sunday)
Eh... it is peoples fault for having rosters like yours. Smilegate could make improvements to support class to make it more enjoyable but at the end of the day you guys pick which character to push to the latest content. and we all know supp shortage is almost always a thing when the raid releases. Its your choice what char you are going to make but its also you that will feel the consequences.
lets be honest support werent fun, and its way to expensive to hone
AI support would be nice 😊
well who is surprise about a P2W game to work like that , as long ppl pay for it it's not gonna change i can tell u (ofc i don't like it but raid too good so meh)
maybe change the system, I hate the alt system.. never had much alts.. only playing 1-2 chars maybe 3 max but I would love to just play my main...
Damn what a rumbling video.
If you don't have a sup on the roster you have no right to complain. Yes you too Cautty.
maybe you can protest the game?
lol, since Kayangel last summer , support already shortage on latest raid , surprised pikachu face when it happens again this year 😅
dont worry ill be back to support when im done with my second mandatory vacation
They shouldn't put i lvl 1680 for hard
If aegir was 1640 normal and 1660 hard , all this conversation wouldn't be happening
A lot of supps i know quit because they get jailed in pugs or a dps in their static always brings their rat alts to the run since the rat alts get gatekept. On top of this; if the supp wants to do their own raid, they get gaslit by said rat alt individuals. So now if they do play, they're on perma offline mode 😂
they just have to create a Carakter slot where only Supps can be slottet and give this Slot a bonus to honing chances and and lower the cost per tab and stuff... and tada alot of people would fill this slot to get an extra char for high raids which does not cost that much to hone
Heavily weight supports to be MVP, problem solved. No need to thank me, and it's free of charge. Just let the game glaze the hell out of supports to make them feel special.