Thus is why Willie Dixon won hus lawsuit and now has writing credit on Whole Lotta Love. Led Zeppelin is. A favorite, but will never be number one because Jimmy stole too many writing credits.
They have a musical in London that has been going on for a few years. Lots of clips online and it’s a story told by the late Steve Marriott! ua-cam.com/video/zqFvdKUfLfQ/v-deo.html
This reply goes out to you in Jamal if he's reading it. It's a little bit long and I'm voice dictating this while I'm sick at home in my poor wife is getting sick too. So please be patient when they spell names with wrong for guys like Jim Hendrix. You just got to roll with it with this autocorrect stuff when it's this much. Amen to that. I still to this day cannot get comfortable listening to led Zeppelin ever since I found out how much theft they did. They ripped off my favorite unknown band, spirit. When or lose or draw on that lawsuit involving stairway to heaven. There are lots of people that are not happy with that. Not only did they steal the intro to Taurus by Spirit to write stairway in my opinion although I guess legally I should say I'm wrong because the court found otherwise, but also what I found very interesting not covered in the trial and not cover it anywhere in the press is a little known bit that they also stole another spirit song to put in another part of the very same stairway to heaven's song. It's a mystery to me that the estate of the true writer, Randy Wolf, also known as Randy California as named by Hendricks when they played together when Hendricks is about to be discovered. They were supposed to go to England together, but Randy was only like 14 or 15 and he was becoming quite the project for Hendricks. It's the only guy in the band that Hendricks wide to come along with him because he was already that good. And he had cool family so I think he trusted them. He knew more like a friend than just a guy in a band, having met in a record shop and realizing they liked all the same music. Since I brought it up, you will be a complete failure if you never cover the last album that Spirit put out as a true band which is called the 12 dreams of Dr sardonicus. There are a lot of people on this planet that know it's probably one of the best 10 rock albums of all time, whether people know it or not. It was lightning in a bottle, that no one ever saw because their management totally botched it by telling him not to play at Woodstock when Hendricks had given him the golden invitation to open for Hendricks at Woodstock. Hendricks never forgot his friends from before he was not a monster of rock and roll. He used to bring a lot of his friends from his poor past up and actually gave him real opportunities if they had real talent. I love that man. I wish I could have met him never mind watch him play. I could have enjoyed just talking to him about the world and figured I got off pretty damn well even if I didn't get to see him play a lick. I'm not going to edit this because I've only slept a little over 12 hours in the last 5 days after getting some kind of weird fever from some kind of weird bugging around that my wife is now getting. So please excuse any of the errors I've made. I'm using voice dictation and it's really hard to edit on a smartphone when it makes mistakes in such a long post. Happy tunes my friend.
Yes, both this and Whole Lotta Love are essentially covers of the Muddy Waters song You Need Love. The Small Faces version came three years before Led Zeppelin, and the Muddy Waters original was four years before that. Neither band originally credited Muddy Waters, and he eventually sued.
It was originally recorded by Muddy Waters but was written for him by Willie Dixon. Dixon sued Led Zeppelin and won. I don't believe he sued Small Faces. I always found it funny that Robert Plant stole the lyrics from Small Faces who stole them from Dixon.
@@richg0404 quick check shows WLL hit #37 in the US and has 425m Spotify plays. YNL has 1 million and as far as I can tell was never released as a single. Willie knew what he was doing lol.
Steve Marriott - the greatest male vocalist the uk has ever produced. Robert Plant has admitted he didn't just want to sing like Marriott, he wanted to BE Steve Marriott!!! The Small Faces were such a great band
Steve Marriott is one of the best British singers ever. David Bowie said that before the Small Faces they were about to get together in an R&B duo, David and Goliath, but eventually Steve founded the Small Faces, and David carried on with this music genre for a few more years, before releasing his first album as David Bowie. By the way, Robert Plant was a die-hard Marriott fan, and he reportedly used to follow him and his band everywhere as a young lad!
Jamel, in the USA, they only had 1 top 20 hit "Itchycoo Park". They had many hits in other countries. Sometimes it comes down to marketing. A lot of talent in that band.
"You Need Love" was written by Willie Dixon, a prolific blues songwriter, and performer. Steve Marriot and Ronnie Lane adapted the song for The Small Faces. Don Arden, their manager and Sharon Osborne's father (Ozzy Osborne's wife), only put Marriot and Lane's names on the copyright because that seems to be how he managed his acts. Dixon didn't know. Led Zeppelin "borrowed" the song and gave credit to all band members. Dixon found out and sued them. They settled out of court. There were many blues songwriters, particularly black songwriters, who had music they'd written stolen by other groups. They didn't always find out that they'd appropriated their work like Dixon, Sonny Boy Williamson, Robert Johnson, Chester Burnett (aka Howlin' Wolf), etc. Unfortunately, many black artists lived in poverty while others made money performing the songs they'd written.
Led Zeppelin sold there whole back catalogue in the early 1980’s. Because of all the copyright laws-suits that were in coming. That they thought there not going to win.
And black American musician Lowell Fulson stole Jimmy Page's riff from the Yardbirds 1966 song Happenings Ten Years Time Ago and used it for his 1967 song Tramp, without crediting Jimmy/Yardbirds. Jimmy didn't care and probably though it was normal. The blues guys stole from each other often.
lestrange, Led Zeppelin's first album fully credited Willie Dixon for two song right from the first pressings in late 1968/early 1969. You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Baby were 100% credited to Willie Dixon. Zeppelin used no other stuff from Dixon on the other 6 songs.
One of the most underrated bands of the 60s. Steve Marriot's voice is so soulful. You gotta react to "Tin soldier" (look for the "good quality" video). Among my favs from the SFs, "All or nothing", "Get yourself together" and "I've got mine". Keep good music alive!
You must be a fan of The Jam and Weller! Has kept the look of Marriott alive and still is churning out some decent tunes. ua-cam.com/video/WH3fAgGsJ4I/v-deo.html
YES, YES Please more Small Faces. The greatest British Invasion Band that sadly never had the chance to invade. If they had come to the US, they would have been huge.
A side note Jamal, Steve Marriott also had an acting career his most famous was his portrayal of the artful dodger in Oliver twist. He had some talent.
Interesting fact about how they got their name, In England at the time if you were well known or a cool person you were a "Face", all the band members were under 5`5 so they called themselves the Small Faces. They had a record that`s probably one of the most British sounds of all time " All or nothing" a fantastic song.
Muddy Waters sang "You Need Love", written by Willie Dixon. "You Need Loving" shows the the writers as Page and Marriot but ,Willie was never credited although it's a technically a cover.
Jimmy's got a bit of history for not crediting original writers , another example would be black mountain side which is a straight rip off of blackwater side by Bert Jansch .
Even the drum solo? Blues tunes are an excuse to show off. The lyrics are secondary and usally the same self agrandizing stuff you hear in rap. Nobody can play like Chuck Berry because he's terrible. Some of the originals aren't hits because they're unintelligable and poorly played. Jimmy Page does every kind of blues and classical. He is considerably better than the guy he's NOT imitating.
@@stuartallan9914 Took a listen to both guys live. Two minutes of being mystified by unintelligable lyrics and repetative figures I got bored. It's a starting point. Jimmy kept improving it. That's the point. B.B. turned what little he knew into an entire career. Jimmy knows classical theory, modifier method, bass method. He evolved the form. He mixes modes, pretty much created dorian blues. Shall we start on John Bonham's contribution to the composition next.
@@kellyfehr3719 sorry pal but you're talking nonsense , unintelligible what does that mean ? And I'm sure you gave them a real chance of two minutes before making your mind up 😅, even then it doesn't excuse pages straight rip offs of other artists groundwork , just because you love him doesn't mean I'm not right .
If it wasnt for Willie Dixon and Muddy Waters and maybe a lot more of the early Chicago Blues sceen, LZ wouldn't have had enough songs to fill their 1st 3 - 4 albums. 🤷♂️😉
@@matthewburkart7718 1st off, I'm not a fan of theirs, but some guys at work are and I always bring up the 'songs" they wrote but never givie credit. Then I show them the originals and yeah the originals are better. I guess 'Ramble On" is all about 'The Lord of The Rings" ? but I would guess at least 4-5 for sure. The 🤘🤔
Well done for having recognised this. Just take Black Mountain Side from the first Zeppelin album. It was essentially a rip-off from Bert Jansch's Blackwaterside. Bert was a truly great British folk guitarist and none too rich yet Page didn't credit him. A neat trick from them as they avoided royalties - this from a very, very rich band. Disgraceful. How many Black blues artists were also done out of royalties by them?
There are half a dozen examples where Zeppelin actually DID credit others, or didn't claim they wrote. Zeppelin credited Willie Dixon for You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Baby, Memphis Minnie for When The Levee Breaks, Mrs Valens for Boogie With Stu Babe Im Gonna Leave You age Gallows Pole were credited as "trad" (traditional). The rest Zeppelin only took a bit and were at least 90% original Zeppelin. None of them sounded much like the source.
Great band. Marriott went on to another great band, Humble Pie. The rest of the band became Faces with Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart. Kenny Jones played drums in both Small Faces and Faces. He would later join The Who after Moon passed away.
Steve Marriott came from the same neck of the woods as me Manor Park East London. At a relatively young age Steve had a large collection of US rare Black RnB blues soul records. Steve met Ronnie at the J60 music bar when Ronnie came in looking for a guitar, Steve worked there. They got talking and Steve invited him round to listen to some of the recordings as they were both into the same music. The rest is history.
The Small Faces were another great English band from the 60's. They had some great hits "Itchycoo Park", "Lazy Sunday", "All or Nothing", "Tin Soldier" & "Whatcha Gonna Do About It" etc. In 1969 after lead singer/guitarist Steve Marriott left the group to form Humble Pie" the remaining members of Small Faces Ian McLagan (keyboards), Ronnie Lane (bass guitar, vocals), and Kenney Jones (drums and percussion)-were joined by Ronnie Wood (guitar) & Rod Stewart (lead vocals), both from the Jeff Beck Group, and the new line-up was renamed "Faces".
Back in those days, Mersey beat sound in England was "In" and everybody kinda swapped songs and bandmates. When Steve Marriot bailed, Rod Stewart jumped in and "Faces" was born, they just dropped the "Small" from the deal...lol. Unfortunately Stave died in a House fire.
@@normawinton6832 Yes it was. It was said he fell asleep with a lit cigarette and woke up and probably panicked, he was found betweet his bed and the wall of his bedroom, he died of smoke inhillation. Whats even more sad, none of the small faces members, Ian Mclagen, ronnie lane,or kenney jones attended his funeral. In later years, Ronnie lane (bassist) would die from complications of MS (multiple sclerosis) and Ian McLagen (key board) would die from a stroke, the only living member is Kenney Jones (Drums)
@@ericdee6802 You are correct that Ronnie and Mac did not attend Steve's funeral, but dear Kenney jones did, as did Jerry Shirley, Peter Frampton, and Greg Ridley (don't know about Clem) from Humble Pie and ,many other celebrities Jerry said there was standing room only. He also said that he sat next to Kenney and at the closing, as the casket left, "All or Nothing" came on with Steve's beautiful clear young voice filling the room. Jerry said he, Kenney and most of the others attending totally fell apart and wept openly .Ronnie would not have been able to attend as he was totally disabled by MS, and I don't know why Mac didn't attend (he was living in Texas by that time). Rod Stewart sent a wreath (bless his heart) but Ron Wood attended. Very sad loss. Steve was highly respected by his peers and loved by many. God rest his soul...
The Small Faces were managed by Sharon Osbourne's Dad, Don Arden. Not the most warm and friendly (or honest) person who ever lived. Who knows? With stable, supportive management, the Small Faces could've become huger than huge -- they had absolute talent to burn!
Yeah their" manager" was involved with the mob, namely John Gotti. The small faces never made a dime on their work. When Marriot met with them trying to get their hack royalties they threatened him. Marriot never said exactly what was discussed but he gave up after that and never mentioned the royalties again
Led Zeppelin is essentially a cover band. Sometimes they gave credit where it was due, sometimes they neglected to do so. They have been sued multiple times for these infractions.
Well done for having recognised this. Just take Black Mountain Side from the first Zeppelin album. It was essentially a rip-off from Bert Jansch's Blackwaterside. Bert was a truly great British folk guitarist and none too rich yet Page didn't credit him. A neat trick from them as they avoided royalties - this from a very, very rich band. Disgraceful. How many Black blues artists were also done out of royalties by them?
So you say nothing about The Small Faces stealing this song from Willie Dixon and not crediting him? Zeppelin actually credited Dixon for two songs on the first album.
The ocean, the song remains the same. , the rain song, dancing days, the crunge,dyer maker, over the hills and far away, no quarter, Kashmir, ten years gone, trample under foot, houses of the holy (song), the wanton song, the rover, sick again, in the light, black dog, rock and roll ( besides the intro), the battle of evermore, stair way to heaven (and yes I don’t think that riff was stolen from spirit or at least not similar enough to be called stolen if you if you don’t agree with me just watch you tubers stevie t and rick Beato talk about it. Most musicians know it’s not stolen), misty mountain hop, four sticks, going to California,Heart breaker, living loving maid she’s just a woman,thank you, what is and what should never be, Ramble on, Good times bad times, your time is gonna come, the immigrant song, celebration day, friends, tangerine, that’s the way, out on the tiles, Achilles last stand, hots on for nowhere, Fool in the rain,in the Evening, All of my love, I’m gonna crawl, carouselmabra, hey hey what can I do. These all are great/pretty good 100 percent original songs by Led Zeppelin a lot of these are highly praised and very popular. There not a cover band how about you look into a band before talking bad about them.
Oh yes, Willie Dixon wrote it and recorded it. Muddy Waters recorded it too. The Small Faces did their version, and Led Zep put their slant on it with Whole Lotta Love. Not much is all that new in this world.
Yes Small Faces recorded this before the Zeppelin was released under “ Whole Lotta Love”. Borrowed from Muddy Waters version written by Williy Dixon. 1980’s Dixon sued Zeppelin for copyrighted case was settled out of court
Dan Hartzog Yes they did. Zeppelin credited Willie Dixon for two songs on the first album, Memphis Minnie on the 4th album, and credited Robert Johnson and Sleepy John Estees on other releases. Just because they didn't credit every time doesn't mean they never credited at any time. They most certainly did.
@@lyndoncmp5751 They most certainly didn't. Almost all those songs were originally credited to Page/Plant or Page/Plant/Jones. Every successive reprint of the cover and label seemed to credit another writer due to various court cases. See Willie Dixon, Anne Bredon, Jake Holmes, Bert Jansch and more.
@@timarmstrong3251 Yes they did. Willie Dixon received full credit for two songs on the first album right from the first pressings. Dixon didn't go after Zeppelin for the first album. Zeppelin also credited Memphis Minnie, Mrs Valens, Robert Johnson, Sleepy John Estes, Ben E King and Bert Berns on various songs, all without anything prompting. Just because Zeppelin didn't credit every time that doesn't mean the didnt credit any time. Don't believe the myth that they never credited unless sued. They did. On nearly a dozen songs. What court cases? There was only one court case (Stairway) and Zeppelin rightly won that twice. Zeppelin never argued the others. They admitted it and paid up.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I can't be bothered to list everything, but they settled out of court a lot. In the case of Jake Holmes, he asked for credit nearly 30 years before he did get credited in 2010 after taking legal action.
Britain had a blues boom in the early to mid 1960s. Numerous bands discovered blues especially Delta blues and it influenced just about everybody. People gathered in clubs to listen to Robert Johnson like they were in church. Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, Eric Clapton, an absolute ton of artists in the UK at the time. John Mayall and Alexis Korner pioneered the music, but it spread like wildfire.
@@kellyfehr3719 I'm guessing you really want to be a writer for Rolling Stone when you grow up? And read my comment once again then circle the word steal when you find it.
Steve Marriott of Small Faces as by lead singer of Humble Pie. He was one of the most unique voices in Rock n Roll. I Wonder on the Smokin album is my most favorite blues song ever recorded.
This song was written by Willie Dixon. Neither Small Faces nor Led Zeppelin credited Dixon. The Small Faces version wans't a hit, but Zeppelin's version got Dixon's attention, & he successfully sued for royalties.
Made even crazier by the fact Steve was only 18/19 when he recorded this. I’d recommend Tin Soldier by Small Faces for a reaction video as well considering it was written for Rod Stewart’s girlfriend at the time who Steve eventually married
So true, Steve Marriott was smitten with Jenny Rylance, who was involved in a 4 yr romance with the then pretty much unknown singer - ROD STEWART. Jenny has written that she liked Steve as a friend, but he wanted more. Everytime she and Rod would break up, Steve would start wooing her, then she & Rod would make up and Steve would be heartbroken. Some of his best songs were written for Jenny - "All or Nothing", "Tin Soldier", "Afterglow", and "Autumn Stone" (my favorite). If you listen to the lyrics of "Get Yourself Together" you might believe as I do that this is also a "Jenny" song - it fits their situation perfectly. Ironically, when Steve was wooing Jenny with "Tin Soldier", he was having a love affair with his backup singer, the beautiful PP Arnold. When Steve finally caught Jenny, PP started an affair with - ROD STEWART!! When Steve quit Small Faces to form Humble Pie, who took his place in SF's? ROD STEWART! What a small world 1960's London was and Rod & Steve 's live were intertwined over and over.
Loved you're reaction when you worked it out, Led zep first heard the Small faces play this live, Dixon's estate settled royalties with them(zeppelin) in the 80s I think.Best band ever (small faces) imo.
Plants high pitched rock voice was nothing like Marriott's, overall. He only sounds like Marriott on parts of Whole Lotta Love. That's it. Not on Immigrant Song, Black Dog, Since I've Been Loving You, Over The Hills And Far Away etc.
@@lyndoncmp5751 didn't say they were the same. Plant admired Marriott's style, as did most of the vocalist singing the white rock blues back then. Plant simply used that style in his own voice. But, Marriott was certainly a huge influence on Plant's vocal technique/style!
@@jimmayors2315 Well you did say Plant made a whole career out of emulating Marriott so? Yes, Plant was a huge fan of Marriott, and there is a clear inspiration in Whole Lotta Love, but I really don't hear Marriott much in the rest of Zeppelins catalogue. Communication Breakdown? Ramble On? Going To California? No way. Listen to Stairway. That's nothing like Marriott. Plant had his own distinct voice and style overall. When Plant got into his stride he really didn't sound like what had gone before. His sometimes histrionics and acrobatics early on was more akin to Janis Joplin than Steve Marriott in my view. Cheers 👍
Excellent!!! Keep going back. Early ‘60’s, 50’s, back, back, back, Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, back to Louis Armstrong and his hot fives and sevens, back to where great music started. All the way through the decades!!!! But please get to some Joni Mitchell soon. Peace
Steve is the original Rock Star , all others of his generation were just trying to catch up to him! The voice, the guitar, and harmonica!! Are you kidding me!! Who else can even come close??let me know cause I’m always ready to hear someone better🤷🏻♂️
You were just talking about Stevie singing for Zep during that video about stuff we didn't know about 'em. Do I also hear bits of 'Land of a Thousand Dances' and 'Mony Mony'? Whatever the case, Steve's borrowing more widely.
See the Y.Tube article "Led Zeppelin's 10 Boldest Rip-offs - Rolling Stone", (which gives musical examples). Page fought a legal battle with the songwriter Willie Dixon so that Dixon couldn't collect royalties - so they weren't just paying tribute to these old blues guys like some say. Then there are "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You", "The Lemon Song", "Black Mountain Side", "Dazed and Confused", and more. See the original "Dazed and Confused" by Jake Holmes, who opened for The Yardbirds when Page was with them. Page once said it was easier to apologize than to ask for permission, and that some of their problems came from Plant not changing the lyrics enough. It seems he hasn't changed much, because last I heard he was arguing with Billy Gibbons, about songs they were going to have on an album they were going to put out together. Also see the mash up called "Muddy Zeppelin".
"Page fought a legal battle with the songwriter Willie Dixon so that Dixon couldn't collect royalties" Bullshit. They settled out of court without arguing against it. There was no fight and it never went to court. Willie Dixon had already been given full credit for two whole songs on the first album right from 1969. I dislike it when people spout nonsense as fact on the internet.
The Small Faces You need loving was released in 1966 while L Zeppelin Whole lotta love was released in 1969. However You need love by Willie Dixon came out in 1962 and Muddy Waters also recorded it in 1963. So it was Willie Dixon who wrote and sang the original.
That's because when the formed, they were teenagers. Kenney Jones was 16, Steve Marriott was 17, Ronnie Lane 18 and I believe Mac was 20. Steve, Ronnie and Kenney were best mod friends who formed a band, they added Mac a little later.
The Small Faces broke up around the same time The Yardbirds were calling it a day in the summer of ‘68. Jimmy Page asked Steve Marriott to sing for his new band. Steve said no and that he was starting his own band Humble Pie. Upon finding Robert Plant, Page asked him to sing like Steve Marriott does on this song for his new band and that’s why Plant voice sounds like this on the first two Led Zeppelin albums, especially their first album.
@Jamel_AKA_Jamal: IIRC this track is from their first album on UK Decca from 1966. Like a lot of UK bands at the time they were influenced by US blues and soul acts. They probably heard the Muddy Waters version ua-cam.com/video/-KsiLlUWoZM/v-deo.html of Willie Dixon's tune as it was released in the UK at the end of 1963. There's a nod to Little Luther's "Eenie Meenie Minie Moe" (1964) ua-cam.com/video/WS4nMw0c3GE/v-deo.html and Chris Kenner's "Land Of 1000 Dances" (single released UK 1965) ua-cam.com/video/HT1hmyozZQw/v-deo.html . There's even a mention of Major Lance's "Monkey Time" (1963) ua-cam.com/video/PAX5GB2hcRA/v-deo.html. I suspect this was a studio jam or part of their live set which made it onto the album and credited to Steve Marriott and Ronnie Lane as they were the major writers for the band. In any event forget about Led Zepplin altogether and concentrate on a REAL rocking band - The Small Faces. Here's their first record "What'Cha Gonna Do About It" (1965) ua-cam.com/video/DD3VK14QK-g/v-deo.html or try "Sha La La La Lee" (1966) ua-cam.com/video/pKC4MUtbDBc/v-deo.html
Thanks Sharon for the great comment. Love all the references, you are so right. I believe Steve famous "Come on Children" was lifted from James Brown LOL. Steve LOVED the great black soul singers and tried to emulate them. Funny, this sound coming from a tiny, white cockney boy! They were SO talented - my absolute favorites!
Jamel, I'm like you bro, at first totally confused. Then I paused, read some of the comments below they are both covers of an older blues tune. Makes total sense. Now I need to go hear the original.
If you want to listen to the song "You Need Love" that was the original written by blues artist Willie Dixon, here is the URL to an upload of the 1962 recording sung by Muddy Waters: ua-cam.com/video/WoqR7ztdTCg/v-deo.html ... Dixon sued Led Zeppelin in 1985 for royalties, and they settled out of court for an undisclosed sum, with Dixon also getting credit as a co-writer. Not only did Zeppelin appropriate much of Dixon's original song in their 1969 "Whole Lotta Love," Robert Plant unabashedly ripped off Steve Marriott's vocal style for more than just "Whole Lotta Love," though it is clearly obvious in that song. I'm glad Dixon finally got credit for his work, and eventually more recognition for the soulful artistry of Muddy Waters. Credit needs to be given where credit is due, and so much was denied many amazing blues artists, especially those who inspired a wave of British and American bands and individuals who continued innovating and creating from a solid core foundation of incredible music they admired. I know that both Led Zeppelin and The Small Faces should have credited the original artists when they should have, but I'm sad that Steve Marriott didn't get the credit (or timely reward) that his vocals most assuredly deserved. He was so amazing. Please... if you appreciate an artist's work, whether it's the songwriting, arrangement, vocals, style, musicianship, or lyrics... be sure to share your discovery and sources with others, give proper credit, support their work as you can, enjoy the rich legacy we've been left, and help keep great music alive.
Oh please. The Small Faces stole far more for this song than Zeppelin did. Let's face it, the Small Faces were mediocre. That's why they are next to forgotten.
This is why Jimmy Page wanted Steve Marriott. He had that IT voice. Also when Steve left to start Humble Pie, the band hired Rod Stewart as singer and shortened their name to The Faces.
Loved the look on your face when you realized Steve sounds just like Robert Plant. Or more correctly, Robert sounds JUST like Steve. Small Faces recorded this 3 years before Zeppelin. Both Robert and Jimmy were huge Marriott fans. Robert used to follow the band around ang hang out backstage where the boys would send him out for cigs and stuff. SF's opened each show with this song, so that is where Robert heard it. When a journalist asked Robert if he was influenced by Marriott, Robert replied "I wanted to f**king BE Steve Marriott!" No disrespect to Plant, whom I love , but when it comes to range, pitch, growl and deep deep SOUL - Robert can't come close to the legendary Steve Marriott. RIP
You need love was originally written by Willie Dixon and performed by Muddy Waters in 1962. Led Zeppelin was sued by Dixon's daughter in the 1980s once she heard the song and realized it's origins.
Several of the UK songs originated from Southern Blues songs groups. Check this out... "Muddy Waters & The Rolling Stones Live at the Checkerboard Lounge 1981" on You Tube. It is brilliant!
Willie Dixon Yo Need Love = Muddy Waters You Need Love = Small Faces You Need Loving = Led Zeppelin Whole Lotta of Love - Plant does a great copy /impression of the Small Faces Steve Marriott on vocals
great Steve Marriot, Robert Plant tuvo mucha influencia de él en su forma de cantar la misma canción, y en general su estilo voca, llevandolo a otros niveles, por supuesto.
There's a video floating around about songs you didn't know were "covers" of other artists' songs. What's sad is when these bands didn't credit the original artists.
I HAD NO IDEA. I knew it was pieces of old blues songs. Its not the same song completely, but Zeppelin must have done it right after them. And Steve sounds an awful lot like Plant. And it looks like Faces did it first. Another one is You Shook Me. The version Jeff Beck Group did one year before Zep did, is a verrry similar arrangement, which pissed off Jeff Beck. Maybe because Beck was originally going to be IN Jimmy's knew, then un-named, band Led Zeppekin
The FULL truth is this: Willie Dixon, a.k.a.-Mr. Blues, and a bassist by trade, also was an incredible writer. He wrote for most every Blues musician of his time! Dixon wrote "You Need Love" for Muddy Waters and Muddy recorded it in 1962. Steve Marriott covered the song as "You Need Lovin'" in 1966, and Page and Plant were Small Faces fans, as were a large number of Mods and others who would become famous in their own right. Page and Plant heard the band play their version of "You Need Lovin" live, and they went up to Steve after the show and asked him if he wrote it. Marriott replied, "NO! That's a Muddy Waters tune. We just amped it up!" Zeppelin credited all band members with the writing of "Whole Lotta Love," with none due to Willie Dixon. His manager told him to sue. They did, won, and all printing of the Led Zeppelin records from that point on credit Willie Dixon and themselves!
It got me too Jamel! ✋️ I was born in 58 and didn't know this was the original. Didn't Rod Stewart join up with the small faces when he first arrived on the scene? Anybody? Whoops..not the original.. the comment that this was muddy waters song.
On New Years eve '68/69, Steve Marriott threw down his guitar at a gig and quit the Small Faces. He was tired of being only considered a teen idol playing in a "teeny bopper" band. He HATED screaming girls and wanted to be appreciated for his music instead of his good looks. So he formed Humble Pie with another frustrated teen idol - Peter Frampton .Rod Stewart and Ron Wood left the Jeff Beck Group to join the remaining 3 Small Faces - Ronnie Lane, Kenney Jones & Ian McLagan. They dropped the "Small" and became just "Faces"
Apparently Steve Marriot was approached as the first lead singer for Led Zeppelin but could not escape from the contract drawn up by the Small Faces 'shyster manager'; it was a common story for so many who signed up too young and too inexperienced! I'm not convinced he could have stayed with LZ for too long past the first two albums.
It would be awesome if you could cover the original, Muddy Waters track, You Need Love (written by Willie Dixon). Both Small Faces and Led Zep tracks are covers of that. All these British bands were heavily influenced by Muddy and all the other Chicago blues players of the time. I'd love to hear what you think of the original blues tracks.
*This Small Faces 1966 cover song was nearly three years prior to Zeppelin's 1969 cover; Whole Lotta Love. You Need Love; Written in 1962 by Willie Dixon. They are all variations of one another (Plant was a Small Faces fan)...but when you use words from one song, you need permission or else it is plagiarism. Zeppelin was sued by Willie (settled out of court)...not sure if Small Faces were.*
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Thus is why Willie Dixon won hus lawsuit and now has writing credit on Whole Lotta Love. Led Zeppelin is. A favorite, but will never be number one because Jimmy stole too many writing credits.
They have a musical in London that has been going on for a few years. Lots of clips online and it’s a story told by the late Steve Marriott! ua-cam.com/video/zqFvdKUfLfQ/v-deo.html
This reply goes out to you in Jamal if he's reading it. It's a little bit long and I'm voice dictating this while I'm sick at home in my poor wife is getting sick too. So please be patient when they spell names with wrong for guys like Jim Hendrix. You just got to roll with it with this autocorrect stuff when it's this much.
Amen to that. I still to this day cannot get comfortable listening to led Zeppelin ever since I found out how much theft they did. They ripped off my favorite unknown band, spirit. When or lose or draw on that lawsuit involving stairway to heaven. There are lots of people that are not happy with that. Not only did they steal the intro to Taurus by Spirit to write stairway in my opinion although I guess legally I should say I'm wrong because the court found otherwise, but also what I found very interesting not covered in the trial and not cover it anywhere in the press is a little known bit that they also stole another spirit song to put in another part of the very same stairway to heaven's song. It's a mystery to me that the estate of the true writer, Randy Wolf, also known as Randy California as named by Hendricks when they played together when Hendricks is about to be discovered. They were supposed to go to England together, but Randy was only like 14 or 15 and he was becoming quite the project for Hendricks. It's the only guy in the band that Hendricks wide to come along with him because he was already that good. And he had cool family so I think he trusted them. He knew more like a friend than just a guy in a band, having met in a record shop and realizing they liked all the same music.
Since I brought it up, you will be a complete failure if you never cover the last album that Spirit put out as a true band which is called the 12 dreams of Dr sardonicus. There are a lot of people on this planet that know it's probably one of the best 10 rock albums of all time, whether people know it or not. It was lightning in a bottle, that no one ever saw because their management totally botched it by telling him not to play at Woodstock when Hendricks had given him the golden invitation to open for Hendricks at Woodstock. Hendricks never forgot his friends from before he was not a monster of rock and roll. He used to bring a lot of his friends from his poor past up and actually gave him real opportunities if they had real talent. I love that man. I wish I could have met him never mind watch him play. I could have enjoyed just talking to him about the world and figured I got off pretty damn well even if I didn't get to see him play a lick.
I'm not going to edit this because I've only slept a little over 12 hours in the last 5 days after getting some kind of weird fever from some kind of weird bugging around that my wife is now getting. So please excuse any of the errors I've made. I'm using voice dictation and it's really hard to edit on a smartphone when it makes mistakes in such a long post.
Happy tunes my friend.
Yes, both this and Whole Lotta Love are essentially covers of the Muddy Waters song You Need Love. The Small Faces version came three years before Led Zeppelin, and the Muddy Waters original was four years before that. Neither band originally credited Muddy Waters, and he eventually sued.
Oh! OK. Muddy!
It was originally recorded by Muddy Waters but was written for him by Willie Dixon. Dixon sued Led Zeppelin and won. I don't believe he sued Small Faces. I always found it funny that Robert Plant stole the lyrics from Small Faces who stole them from Dixon.
@@richg0404 quick check shows WLL hit #37 in the US and has 425m Spotify plays. YNL has 1 million and as far as I can tell was never released as a single. Willie knew what he was doing lol.
@@richg0404 Marriott stole nothing. Simply covering a great Dixon song. People need to cover don't they. Robert plant was a small faces roady too.
Steve Marriott male Janis Joplin. Ted Nugent said as a guitarist Marriott could do what Van Halen couldn't.
Steve Marriott - the greatest male vocalist the uk has ever produced. Robert Plant has admitted he didn't just want to sing like Marriott, he wanted to BE Steve Marriott!!! The Small Faces were such a great band
Robert Plant's "sound" was nicked from Steve Marriott's vocal on "You Need Loving". Love the reaction!
Steve Marriott is one of the best British singers ever. David Bowie said that before the Small Faces they were about to get together in an R&B duo, David and Goliath, but eventually Steve founded the Small Faces, and David carried on with this music genre for a few more years, before releasing his first album as David Bowie. By the way, Robert Plant was a die-hard Marriott fan, and he reportedly used to follow him and his band everywhere as a young lad!
Jamel, in the USA, they only had 1 top 20 hit "Itchycoo Park". They had many hits in other countries. Sometimes it comes down to marketing. A lot of talent in that band.
"You Need Love" was written by Willie Dixon, a prolific blues songwriter, and performer. Steve Marriot and Ronnie Lane adapted the song for The Small Faces. Don Arden, their manager and Sharon Osborne's father (Ozzy Osborne's wife), only put Marriot and Lane's names on the copyright because that seems to be how he managed his acts. Dixon didn't know. Led Zeppelin "borrowed" the song and gave credit to all band members. Dixon found out and sued them. They settled out of court. There were many blues songwriters, particularly black songwriters, who had music they'd written stolen by other groups. They didn't always find out that they'd appropriated their work like Dixon, Sonny Boy Williamson, Robert Johnson, Chester Burnett (aka Howlin' Wolf), etc. Unfortunately, many black artists lived in poverty while others made money performing the songs they'd written.
Zep’s whole first album ‘borrows’ so heavily from the Willie Dixon songbook.
Willie Dixon penned hundreds of blues songs!
Led Zeppelin sold there whole back catalogue in the early 1980’s. Because of all the copyright laws-suits that were in coming. That they thought there not going to win.
And black American musician Lowell Fulson stole Jimmy Page's riff from the Yardbirds 1966 song Happenings Ten Years Time Ago and used it for his 1967 song Tramp, without crediting Jimmy/Yardbirds. Jimmy didn't care and probably though it was normal. The blues guys stole from each other often.
lestrange,
Led Zeppelin's first album fully credited Willie Dixon for two song right from the first pressings in late 1968/early 1969.
You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Baby were 100% credited to Willie Dixon.
Zeppelin used no other stuff from Dixon on the other 6 songs.
One of the most underrated bands of the 60s. Steve Marriot's voice is so soulful. You gotta react to "Tin soldier" (look for the "good quality" video). Among my favs from the SFs, "All or nothing", "Get yourself together" and "I've got mine". Keep good music alive!
You must be a fan of The Jam and Weller! Has kept the look of Marriott alive and still is churning out some decent tunes. ua-cam.com/video/WH3fAgGsJ4I/v-deo.html
YES, YES Please more Small Faces. The greatest British Invasion Band that sadly never had the chance to invade. If they had come to the US, they would have been huge.
Tin soldier yes another good singing voice of steve
I love the Small Faces!
A side note Jamal, Steve Marriott also had an acting career his most famous was his portrayal of the artful dodger in Oliver twist. He had some talent.
Small Faces bloody brilliant band 🌟
Interesting fact about how they got their name, In England at the time if you were well known or a cool person you were a "Face", all the band members were under 5`5 so they called themselves the Small Faces. They had a record that`s probably one of the most British sounds of all time " All or nothing" a fantastic song.
Muddy Waters sang "You Need Love", written by Willie Dixon. "You Need Loving" shows the the writers as Page and Marriot but ,Willie was never credited although it's a technically a cover.
Jimmy's got a bit of history for not crediting original writers , another example would be black mountain side which is a straight rip off of blackwater side by Bert Jansch .
Even the drum solo? Blues tunes are an excuse to show off. The lyrics are secondary and usally the same self agrandizing stuff you hear in rap.
Nobody can play like Chuck Berry because he's terrible. Some of the originals aren't hits because they're unintelligable and poorly played.
Jimmy Page does every kind of blues and classical. He is considerably better than the guy he's NOT imitating.
@@kellyfehr3719 I don't think even Jimmy would try to argue that he was better than those guys certainly not Bert Jansch who he absolutely adored.
@@stuartallan9914 Took a listen to both guys live. Two minutes of being mystified by unintelligable lyrics and repetative figures I got bored. It's a starting point. Jimmy kept improving it. That's the point. B.B. turned what little he knew into an entire career. Jimmy knows classical theory, modifier method, bass method. He evolved the form. He mixes modes, pretty much created dorian blues.
Shall we start on John Bonham's contribution to the composition next.
@@kellyfehr3719 sorry pal but you're talking nonsense , unintelligible what does that mean ? And I'm sure you gave them a real chance of two minutes before making your mind up 😅, even then it doesn't excuse pages straight rip offs of other artists groundwork , just because you love him doesn't mean I'm not right .
This is where Led Zep got “ Whole Lotta Love” from. It’s an old blues song!
Remember Jimmy Page wanted to hire Steve Marriott first?
They both ripped off the same source, Muddy Water's "You Need Love" from 1962
If it wasnt for Willie Dixon and Muddy Waters and maybe a lot more of the early Chicago Blues sceen, LZ wouldn't have had enough songs to fill their 1st 3 - 4 albums. 🤷♂️😉
@@jen_alanfromchicago53 ha. Pretty accurate. Great musicians, not so much lyrically. How many songs about the hobbit?
@@matthewburkart7718 1st off, I'm not a fan of theirs, but some guys at work are and I always bring up the 'songs" they wrote but never givie credit. Then I show them the originals and yeah the originals are better.
I guess 'Ramble On" is all about 'The Lord of The Rings" ? but I would guess at least 4-5 for sure. The 🤘🤔
I’m grateful for Bonnie Raitt’s Blues Foundation that makes sure the OG’s and their families are properly remunerated!
A lot of songs from LZ's first four albums were "borrowed" from various sources which were not always credited.
Thank God for Bonnie Raitt and her Blues Foundation for making sure all those OG’s and their families get their financial due!
"Daed and Confused" by the um Yardbirds
Well done for having recognised this. Just take Black Mountain Side from the first Zeppelin album. It was essentially a rip-off from Bert Jansch's Blackwaterside. Bert was a truly great British folk guitarist and none too rich yet Page didn't credit him. A neat trick from them as they avoided royalties - this from a very, very rich band. Disgraceful. How many Black blues artists were also done out of royalties by them?
There are half a dozen examples where Zeppelin actually DID credit others, or didn't claim they wrote.
Zeppelin credited Willie Dixon for You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Baby, Memphis Minnie for When The Levee Breaks, Mrs Valens for Boogie With Stu
Babe Im Gonna Leave You age Gallows Pole were credited as "trad" (traditional).
The rest Zeppelin only took a bit and were at least 90% original Zeppelin. None of them sounded much like the source.
Also, "Custard Pie" from LZ's 5th album is a *direct* lyrical ripoff of "Drop Down Mama" from Sleepy John Estes.
Great band. Marriott went on to another great band, Humble Pie. The rest of the band became Faces with Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart. Kenny Jones played drums in both Small Faces and Faces. He would later join The Who after Moon passed away.
Ronnie Wood joined the Stones of course.
Steve Marriott came from the same neck of the woods as me Manor Park East London. At a relatively young age Steve had a large collection of US rare Black RnB blues soul records. Steve met Ronnie at the J60 music bar when Ronnie came in looking for a guitar, Steve worked there. They got talking and Steve invited him round to listen to some of the recordings as they were both into the same music. The rest is history.
The Small Faces were another great English band from the 60's. They had some great hits "Itchycoo Park", "Lazy Sunday", "All or Nothing", "Tin Soldier" & "Whatcha Gonna Do About It" etc. In 1969 after lead singer/guitarist Steve Marriott left the group to form Humble Pie" the remaining members of Small Faces Ian McLagan (keyboards), Ronnie Lane (bass guitar, vocals), and Kenney Jones (drums and percussion)-were joined by Ronnie Wood (guitar) & Rod Stewart (lead vocals), both from the Jeff Beck Group, and the new line-up was renamed "Faces".
Back in those days, Mersey beat sound in England was "In" and everybody kinda swapped songs and bandmates. When Steve Marriot bailed, Rod Stewart jumped in and "Faces" was born, they just dropped the "Small" from the deal...lol. Unfortunately Stave died in a House fire.
Just answered my question! Didn't no he died in a house fire..bad way too go! Sad...
@@normawinton6832 Yes it was. It was said he fell asleep with a lit cigarette and woke up and probably panicked, he was found betweet his bed and the wall of his bedroom, he died of smoke inhillation. Whats even more sad, none of the small faces members, Ian Mclagen, ronnie lane,or kenney jones attended his funeral. In later years, Ronnie lane (bassist) would die from complications of MS (multiple sclerosis) and Ian McLagen (key board) would die from a stroke, the only living member is Kenney Jones (Drums)
@@ericdee6802 You are correct that Ronnie and Mac did not attend Steve's funeral, but dear Kenney jones did, as did Jerry Shirley, Peter Frampton, and Greg Ridley (don't know about Clem) from Humble Pie and ,many other celebrities Jerry said there was standing room only. He also said that he sat next to Kenney and at the closing, as the casket left, "All or Nothing" came on with Steve's beautiful clear young voice filling the room. Jerry said he, Kenney and most of the others attending totally fell apart and wept openly .Ronnie would not have been able to attend as he was totally disabled by MS, and I don't know why Mac didn't attend (he was living in Texas by that time). Rod Stewart sent a wreath (bless his heart) but Ron Wood attended. Very sad loss. Steve was highly respected by his peers and loved by many. God rest his soul...
The Small Faces were managed by Sharon Osbourne's Dad, Don Arden. Not the most warm and friendly (or honest) person who ever lived. Who knows? With stable, supportive management, the Small Faces could've become huger than huge -- they had absolute talent to burn!
He was a gangster and robbed them blind.
Yeah their" manager" was involved with the mob, namely John Gotti. The small faces never made a dime on their work. When Marriot met with them trying to get their hack royalties they threatened him. Marriot never said exactly what was discussed but he gave up after that and never mentioned the royalties again
Blew my mind the first time I heard this aswell
Led Zeppelin is essentially a cover band. Sometimes they gave credit where it was due, sometimes they neglected to do so. They have been sued multiple times for these infractions.
Well done for having recognised this. Just take Black Mountain Side from the first Zeppelin album. It was essentially a rip-off from Bert Jansch's Blackwaterside. Bert was a truly great British folk guitarist and none too rich yet Page didn't credit him. A neat trick from them as they avoided royalties - this from a very, very rich band. Disgraceful. How many Black blues artists were also done out of royalties by them?
So you say nothing about The Small Faces stealing this song from Willie Dixon and not crediting him?
Zeppelin actually credited Dixon for two songs on the first album.
Robert M
You mean an old traditional song that Jansch himself never even wrote?
The ocean, the song remains the same. , the rain song, dancing days, the crunge,dyer maker, over the hills and far away, no quarter, Kashmir, ten years gone, trample under foot, houses of the holy (song), the wanton song, the rover, sick again, in the light, black dog, rock and roll ( besides the intro), the battle of evermore, stair way to heaven (and yes I don’t think that riff was stolen from spirit or at least not similar enough to be called stolen if you if you don’t agree with me just watch you tubers stevie t and rick Beato talk about it. Most musicians know it’s not stolen), misty mountain hop, four sticks, going to California,Heart breaker, living loving maid she’s just a woman,thank you, what is and what should never be, Ramble on, Good times bad times, your time is gonna come, the immigrant song, celebration day, friends, tangerine, that’s the way, out on the tiles, Achilles last stand, hots on for nowhere, Fool in the rain,in the Evening, All of my love, I’m gonna crawl, carouselmabra, hey hey what can I do.
These all are great/pretty good 100 percent original songs by Led Zeppelin a lot of these are highly praised and very popular. There not a cover band how about you look into a band before talking bad about them.
All praise to the singular Steve Marriott
Oh yes, Willie Dixon wrote it and recorded it. Muddy Waters recorded it too. The Small Faces did their version, and Led Zep put their slant on it with Whole Lotta Love. Not much is all that new in this world.
Jamel,your face was priceless when you recognized the lyrics from Led Zeppelin!
I believe it was originally written by Willie Dixon
That moment of recognition when you realize this is the inspiration for Whole Lotta Love.
Yes Small Faces recorded this before the Zeppelin was released under “ Whole Lotta Love”. Borrowed from Muddy Waters version written by Williy Dixon. 1980’s Dixon sued Zeppelin for copyrighted case was settled out of court
But Dixon never sued The Small Faces and they stole far more from the Dixon song, without credit.
Jamel the bruthas never got the credit originally but they got a whole lotta exposure thanks to the folks across the pond.🎸🎶🇬🇧
Not from Zeppelin. They didn't give credit or exposure to any of those old blues artists.
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Yes they did. Zeppelin credited Willie Dixon for two songs on the first album, Memphis Minnie on the 4th album, and credited Robert Johnson and Sleepy John Estees on other releases.
Just because they didn't credit every time doesn't mean they never credited at any time. They most certainly did.
@@lyndoncmp5751 They most certainly didn't. Almost all those songs were originally credited to Page/Plant or Page/Plant/Jones. Every successive reprint of the cover and label seemed to credit another writer due to various court cases. See Willie Dixon, Anne Bredon, Jake Holmes, Bert Jansch and more.
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Yes they did.
Willie Dixon received full credit for two songs on the first album right from the first pressings. Dixon didn't go after Zeppelin for the first album. Zeppelin also credited Memphis Minnie, Mrs Valens, Robert Johnson, Sleepy John Estes, Ben E King and Bert Berns on various songs, all without anything prompting. Just because Zeppelin didn't credit every time that doesn't mean the didnt credit any time. Don't believe the myth that they never credited unless sued. They did. On nearly a dozen songs.
What court cases? There was only one court case (Stairway) and Zeppelin rightly won that twice. Zeppelin never argued the others. They admitted it and paid up.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I can't be bothered to list everything, but they settled out of court a lot. In the case of Jake Holmes, he asked for credit nearly 30 years before he did get credited in 2010 after taking legal action.
Britain had a blues boom in the early to mid 1960s. Numerous bands discovered blues especially Delta blues and it influenced just about everybody. People gathered in clubs to listen to Robert Johnson like they were in church. Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, Eric Clapton, an absolute ton of artists in the UK at the time. John Mayall and Alexis Korner pioneered the music, but it spread like wildfire.
Marriott wailing, so good.
If you haven’t heard Itchycoo park by the Small Faces you should give it a listen. ✌️
Oh man you beat me too it 😂
@@christophermartin972 Hey great minds!😅
One of their poorest songs they all hated it and felt it dragged them down , they have so many better tunes than itchycoo .
@@stuartallan9914 I’m not allowed to like it then? Ok thanks for letting me know bruh 👍
@@stuartallan9914 They have lots of good songs and I think this is one of them. We all have different tastes and that's a good thing no?✌
Is it time we let Jamel know about Led Zepplin ummm "borrowing" many of their songs from others? Kind of like finding out Santa isn't real.
What are you saying? Santa gave me presents this year.
@@kellyfehr3719 I'm guessing you really want to be a writer for Rolling Stone when you grow up? And read my comment once again then circle the word steal when you find it.
@@kellyfehr3719 Very good, that's cool. You're trying to argue a point that was never in my comment.
YEP, Thats where it came from!!!..This was long before Led Zepplin got a hold of it
Steve Marriott of Small Faces as by lead singer of Humble Pie. He was one of the most unique voices in Rock n Roll. I Wonder on the Smokin album is my most favorite blues song ever recorded.
Steve Marriot's voice was amazing, awsome.
Great vioce, great musician!!!!
This song was written by Willie Dixon. Neither Small Faces nor Led Zeppelin credited Dixon. The Small Faces version wans't a hit, but Zeppelin's version got Dixon's attention, & he successfully sued for royalties.
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In case you didn't realize, the lead singer is Steve Marriot whom you reacted to with Humble Pie Black Coffee.
The best British rock,blues and soul voice ever
Made even crazier by the fact Steve was only 18/19 when he recorded this. I’d recommend Tin Soldier by Small Faces for a reaction video as well considering it was written for Rod Stewart’s girlfriend at the time who Steve eventually married
So true, Steve Marriott was smitten with Jenny Rylance, who was involved in a 4 yr romance with the then pretty much unknown singer - ROD STEWART. Jenny has written that she liked Steve as a friend, but he wanted more. Everytime she and Rod would break up, Steve would start wooing her, then she & Rod would make up and Steve would be heartbroken. Some of his best songs were written for Jenny - "All or Nothing", "Tin Soldier", "Afterglow", and "Autumn Stone" (my favorite). If you listen to the lyrics of "Get Yourself Together" you might believe as I do that this is also a "Jenny" song - it fits their situation perfectly.
Ironically, when Steve was wooing Jenny with "Tin Soldier", he was having a love affair with his backup singer, the beautiful PP Arnold. When Steve finally caught Jenny, PP started an affair with - ROD STEWART!! When Steve quit Small Faces to form Humble Pie, who took his place in SF's? ROD STEWART! What a small world 1960's London was and Rod & Steve 's live were intertwined over and over.
Loved you're reaction when you worked it out, Led zep first heard the Small faces play this live, Dixon's estate settled royalties with them(zeppelin) in the 80s I think.Best band ever (small faces) imo.
Bobby P was a huge fan of Steve M.. ripped him off clear as day
Turns out this song is a BANGER anyway you slice it!🤘Muddy Waters, Small Faces,Led Zeppelin! YES,YES,YES!🤘
Yup, that's the voice Robert Plant emulated and made a whole career out of
Plants high pitched rock voice was nothing like Marriott's, overall. He only sounds like Marriott on parts of Whole Lotta Love. That's it. Not on Immigrant Song, Black Dog, Since I've Been Loving You, Over The Hills And Far Away etc.
@@lyndoncmp5751 didn't say they were the same. Plant admired Marriott's style, as did most of the vocalist singing the white rock blues back then. Plant simply used that style in his own voice. But, Marriott was certainly a huge influence on Plant's vocal technique/style!
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Well you did say Plant made a whole career out of emulating Marriott so? Yes, Plant was a huge fan of Marriott, and there is a clear inspiration in Whole Lotta Love, but I really don't hear Marriott much in the rest of Zeppelins catalogue. Communication Breakdown? Ramble On? Going To California? No way. Listen to Stairway. That's nothing like Marriott. Plant had his own distinct voice and style overall. When Plant got into his stride he really didn't sound like what had gone before. His sometimes histrionics and acrobatics early on was more akin to Janis Joplin than Steve Marriott in my view.
Cheers 👍
Excellent!!! Keep going back. Early ‘60’s, 50’s, back, back, back, Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, back to Louis Armstrong and his hot fives and sevens, back to where great music started. All the way through the decades!!!!
But please get to some Joni Mitchell soon.
Peace
Steve is the original Rock Star , all others of his generation were just trying to catch up to him! The voice, the guitar, and harmonica!! Are you kidding me!! Who else can even come close??let me know cause I’m always ready to hear someone better🤷🏻♂️
None come close, Steve was multi talented on many instruments and just ooozed soul.
Small faces were doing this, a Muddy Waters cover version, live on stage from as early as 1965. This went out on their first album in 65/66 I think.
You were just talking about Stevie singing for Zep during that video about stuff we didn't know about 'em. Do I also hear bits of 'Land of a Thousand Dances' and 'Mony Mony'? Whatever the case, Steve's borrowing more widely.
See the Y.Tube article "Led Zeppelin's 10 Boldest Rip-offs - Rolling Stone", (which gives musical examples). Page fought a legal battle with the songwriter Willie Dixon so that Dixon couldn't collect royalties - so they weren't just paying tribute to these old blues guys like some say. Then there are "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You", "The Lemon Song", "Black Mountain Side", "Dazed and Confused", and more. See the original "Dazed and Confused" by Jake Holmes, who opened for The Yardbirds when Page was with them. Page once said it was easier to apologize than to ask for permission, and that some of their problems came from Plant not changing the lyrics enough. It seems he hasn't changed much, because last I heard he was arguing with Billy Gibbons, about songs they were going to have on an album they were going to put out together. Also see the mash up called "Muddy Zeppelin".
"Page fought a legal battle with the songwriter Willie Dixon so that Dixon couldn't collect royalties"
Bullshit. They settled out of court without arguing against it. There was no fight and it never went to court.
Willie Dixon had already been given full credit for two whole songs on the first album right from 1969.
I dislike it when people spout nonsense as fact on the internet.
Jamel never disappoints!
The Small Faces You need loving was released in 1966 while L Zeppelin Whole lotta love was released in 1969.
However You need love by Willie Dixon came out in 1962 and Muddy Waters also recorded it in 1963.
So it was Willie Dixon who wrote and sang the original.
"Tin Soldier" with PP Arnold on backing vocals.
They look like teenagers. Being so young yet so talented. Have you checked out John Mayall? He was a huge Brit blues guy.
That's because when the formed, they were teenagers. Kenney Jones was 16, Steve Marriott was 17, Ronnie Lane 18 and I believe Mac was 20. Steve, Ronnie and Kenney were best mod friends who formed a band, they added Mac a little later.
Soooo great to see you back doin’ yo’ thang! My heart is so happy! ❤️🙏🏼❤️ Grammy Janet
The Small Faces broke up around the same time The Yardbirds were calling it a day in the summer of ‘68. Jimmy Page asked Steve Marriott to sing for his new band. Steve said no and that he was starting his own band Humble Pie. Upon finding Robert Plant, Page asked him to sing like Steve Marriott does on this song for his new band and that’s why Plant voice sounds like this on the first two Led Zeppelin albums, especially their first album.
@Jamel_AKA_Jamal: IIRC this track is from their first album on UK Decca from 1966. Like a lot of UK bands at the time they were influenced by US blues and soul acts. They probably heard the Muddy Waters version ua-cam.com/video/-KsiLlUWoZM/v-deo.html of Willie Dixon's tune as it was released in the UK at the end of 1963. There's a nod to Little Luther's "Eenie Meenie Minie Moe" (1964) ua-cam.com/video/WS4nMw0c3GE/v-deo.html and Chris Kenner's "Land Of 1000 Dances" (single released UK 1965) ua-cam.com/video/HT1hmyozZQw/v-deo.html . There's even a mention of Major Lance's "Monkey Time" (1963) ua-cam.com/video/PAX5GB2hcRA/v-deo.html.
I suspect this was a studio jam or part of their live set which made it onto the album and credited to Steve Marriott and Ronnie Lane as they were the major writers for the band.
In any event forget about Led Zepplin altogether and concentrate on a REAL rocking band - The Small Faces. Here's their first record "What'Cha Gonna Do About It" (1965) ua-cam.com/video/DD3VK14QK-g/v-deo.html or try "Sha La La La Lee" (1966) ua-cam.com/video/pKC4MUtbDBc/v-deo.html
Thanks Sharon for the great comment. Love all the references, you are so right. I believe Steve famous "Come on Children" was lifted from James Brown LOL. Steve LOVED the great black soul singers and tried to emulate them. Funny, this sound coming from a tiny, white cockney boy! They were SO talented - my absolute favorites!
And, to hear some very early Heavy music, try The Small Faces " Wham Bang Thank You Mam" (crank up the bass)
Agreed! This was one of their last songs and really shows the direction Steve was headed toward Humble Pie... As Steve would say "Rock On!!"
Jamel, I'm like you bro, at first totally confused. Then I paused, read some of the comments below they are both covers of an older blues tune. Makes total sense. Now I need to go hear the original.
Tin Soldier, Jamal TIN SOLDIER
If you want to listen to the song "You Need Love" that was the original written by blues artist Willie Dixon, here is the URL to an upload of the 1962 recording sung by Muddy Waters: ua-cam.com/video/WoqR7ztdTCg/v-deo.html
... Dixon sued Led Zeppelin in 1985 for royalties, and they settled out of court for an undisclosed sum, with Dixon also getting credit as a co-writer. Not only did Zeppelin appropriate much of Dixon's original song in their 1969 "Whole Lotta Love," Robert Plant unabashedly ripped off Steve Marriott's vocal style for more than just "Whole Lotta Love," though it is clearly obvious in that song.
I'm glad Dixon finally got credit for his work, and eventually more recognition for the soulful artistry of Muddy Waters. Credit needs to be given where credit is due, and so much was denied many amazing blues artists, especially those who inspired a wave of British and American bands and individuals who continued innovating and creating from a solid core foundation of incredible music they admired.
I know that both Led Zeppelin and The Small Faces should have credited the original artists when they should have, but I'm sad that Steve Marriott didn't get the credit (or timely reward) that his vocals most assuredly deserved. He was so amazing. Please... if you appreciate an artist's work, whether it's the songwriting, arrangement, vocals, style, musicianship, or lyrics... be sure to share your discovery and sources with others, give proper credit, support their work as you can, enjoy the rich legacy we've been left, and help keep great music alive.
Oh please. The Small Faces stole far more for this song than Zeppelin did. Let's face it, the Small Faces were mediocre. That's why they are next to forgotten.
This is why Jimmy Page wanted Steve Marriott. He had that IT voice. Also when Steve left to start Humble Pie, the band hired Rod Stewart as singer and shortened their name to The Faces.
I remember it as a Muddy song
MY MUSIC MAN IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!
Plant said he would never follow Marriot onto any stage.
Never heard this . Thanks for the jam 😊🎶
Jamel PLEASE listen to Autumn Stone by The Small Faces . It is superb .
My favorite - a masterpiece!
@@cindyfalstrom7231 It certainly is Cindy .
Loved the look on your face when you realized Steve sounds just like Robert Plant. Or more correctly, Robert sounds JUST like Steve. Small Faces recorded this 3 years before Zeppelin. Both Robert and Jimmy were huge Marriott fans. Robert used to follow the band around ang hang out backstage where the boys would send him out for cigs and stuff. SF's opened each show with this song, so that is where Robert heard it. When a journalist asked Robert if he was influenced by Marriott, Robert replied "I wanted to f**king BE Steve Marriott!"
No disrespect to Plant, whom I love , but when it comes to range, pitch, growl and deep deep SOUL - Robert can't come close to the legendary Steve Marriott. RIP
You need love was originally written by Willie Dixon and performed by Muddy Waters in 1962. Led Zeppelin was sued by Dixon's daughter in the 1980s once she heard the song and realized it's origins.
But she never bothered to sue The Small Faces. Not enough money in it.
Several of the UK songs originated from Southern Blues songs groups. Check this out...
"Muddy Waters & The Rolling Stones Live at the Checkerboard Lounge 1981" on You Tube. It is brilliant!
Willie Dixon Yo Need Love = Muddy Waters You Need Love = Small Faces You Need Loving = Led Zeppelin Whole Lotta of Love - Plant does a great copy /impression of the Small Faces Steve Marriott on vocals
Steve started a new band with Peter Frampton. Humble pie. Their hit was 30 days in the hole.
Yep, Whole Lotta Love....
Humble Pie I Don't Need No Doctor
great Steve Marriot, Robert Plant tuvo mucha influencia de él en su forma de cantar la misma canción, y en general su estilo voca, llevandolo a otros niveles, por supuesto.
There's a video floating around about songs you didn't know were "covers" of other artists' songs. What's sad is when these bands didn't credit the original artists.
I HAD NO IDEA. I knew it was pieces of old blues songs. Its not the same song completely, but Zeppelin must have done it right after them. And Steve sounds an awful lot like Plant. And it looks like Faces did it first. Another one is You Shook Me. The version Jeff Beck Group did one year before Zep did, is a verrry similar arrangement, which pissed off Jeff Beck. Maybe because Beck was originally going to be IN Jimmy's knew, then un-named, band Led Zeppekin
Don't forget Fleetwood Mac covered it around 1967/8. Awesome version too
Hold on! Are y'all prankin me?! 😂 This is a cool version!
The FULL truth is this: Willie Dixon, a.k.a.-Mr. Blues, and a bassist by trade, also was an incredible writer. He wrote for most every Blues musician of his time! Dixon wrote "You Need Love" for Muddy Waters and Muddy recorded it in 1962. Steve Marriott covered the song as "You Need Lovin'" in 1966, and Page and Plant were Small Faces fans, as were a large number of Mods and others who would become famous in their own right. Page and Plant heard the band play their version of "You Need Lovin" live, and they went up to Steve after the show and asked him if he wrote it. Marriott replied, "NO! That's a Muddy Waters tune. We just amped it up!" Zeppelin credited all band members with the writing of "Whole Lotta Love," with none due to Willie Dixon. His manager told him to sue. They did, won, and all printing of the Led Zeppelin records from that point on credit Willie Dixon and themselves!
released 1966, Muddy's original song.
Humble Pie and the Blackberries - Oh La De Da
Jamel ... You should check out " Tin Soldier " By the Small Faces
It got me too Jamel! ✋️ I was born in 58 and didn't know this was the original. Didn't Rod Stewart join up with the small faces when he first arrived on the scene? Anybody? Whoops..not the original.. the comment that this was muddy waters song.
On New Years eve '68/69, Steve Marriott threw down his guitar at a gig and quit the Small Faces. He was tired of being only considered a teen idol playing in a "teeny bopper" band. He HATED screaming girls and wanted to be appreciated for his music instead of his good looks. So he formed Humble Pie with another frustrated teen idol - Peter Frampton .Rod Stewart and Ron Wood left the Jeff Beck Group to join the remaining 3 Small Faces - Ronnie Lane, Kenney Jones & Ian McLagan. They dropped the "Small" and became just "Faces"
Zeppelin stole songs from a lot of blues singers without giving credit. I think they’re still settling lawsuits till this day
Apparently Steve Marriot was approached as the first lead singer for Led Zeppelin but could not escape from the contract drawn up by the Small Faces 'shyster manager'; it was a common story for so many who signed up too young and too inexperienced!
I'm not convinced he could have stayed with LZ for too long past the first two albums.
I think it's awesome that you're listening to The Small Faces.
I challenge you to react to their song "Tin Soldier."
It would be awesome if you could cover the original, Muddy Waters track, You Need Love (written by Willie Dixon). Both Small Faces and Led Zep tracks are covers of that. All these British bands were heavily influenced by Muddy and all the other Chicago blues players of the time. I'd love to hear what you think of the original blues tracks.
Steve was originally Jimmy Page's first choice for Led Zeppelin but was threatened by Steve's manager to back off.
Yes it is the lyric from Whole lotta love.
Now you're on the right track
I was riding a dark funk today till I saw your reaction. Love your expression!!!!
Yep, those are the lyrics to Whole Lotta Love!
The man reacts again. Yes sir.
Yup.
Yep! 😂. Lol. A lot of Zeppelin songs are covers ☮️💜
Zep is the greatest “cover” band ever. Ripped off a lot of artists and got sued.
Plant roadied for the Small Faces before being asked to front Zeppelin.
*This Small Faces 1966 cover song was nearly three years prior to Zeppelin's 1969 cover; Whole Lotta Love. You Need Love; Written in 1962 by Willie Dixon. They are all variations of one another (Plant was a Small Faces fan)...but when you use words from one song, you need permission or else it is plagiarism. Zeppelin was sued by Willie (settled out of court)...not sure if Small Faces were.*
Mamma mia che grinta!!!!!!!
Plant amava Marriot!
❤
Really good,butnobody can carry that LOOOOOOVVVVVEEEE note like Robert Plant!🎙