Enuma Elish - Genesis of Genesis - Babylonian Myths - Extra Mythology
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- One of the oldest creation myths we know of, Enuma Elish is the tale of how the gods and humans and the world as we know it came into being. First there was nothing and then from the nothing came somethings: Apsu and Tiamat! And then they had kids. A lot of kids. A LOT of loud noisy god kids. And what else can ya do with kids but try and kill them all? Ah, mythology.
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Did... did Tiamat’s advisor literally wear plot armor?
Yep,sadly it wasn’t set in stone:(
yes, it's actually the earliest plot armor known to man.
Didn't help though.
Lol I guess he did.The very first plot armor.Because nobody can kill you when you wear the script as a shield.😆😆😆😆
🤣
"Tne kids are too loud, should we murder them honey?"
"Nah, I like the chaos too much...."
one day later:
"Honey, why are you still sleeping... ?"
"Honey, HOW are you sleeping?"
Knowing Tiamat was just in her grief but hated because of her defeat is the best social commentary of history, I've ever heard of
Tiamat:The kids KILLED my husband!!! (Tiamat declares holy war on her children)
"In a divine flash of creation"
So
Basically they banged
the "big" bang
@@grandvage How did i miss this one
@@grandvage hehehe
Lewd
Who are you why are you so wise in the ways of science?
Gilgamesh has entered the chat and he is telling you mongrels to blow to his excellence or get Enuma elished
Ask him if that king of heroes has enough swords this time.
Blow?
Zasshu!
@@Lunadeath02 did he stutter?
@@stretopovermind9680
Shirou Emiya: Um.......excuse me? 😅
I'm slowly learning that the Babylon myths are pretty crazy.
Are there any myths that aren’t crazy?
@@bleh329 Mesoamericans win the crazy myths competition. They believed the world was a monster that consistently needed blood so it didn't start eating people.
Myths are crazy because people are crazy.
all myths are crazy in some way
The bits about making houses out of corpses is strange..
Judgement is upon you. Behold the crushing might of my Sword of Rupture.
-Behold!
*ENUMA ELISH!*
That sounds just really disgusting.
@@walterdayrit675 so does your name but we're here
@@keifujitora6587 Good one!👍
*Earrape Intensifies
(sends your ears into heaven)
Finally a myth where the duel of champions decides the fate of the war.
Achilles and Hector
Ya. Never seen one of those before....
Lol can’t tell if sarcastic, Skirt! :)
Hehe... "fate".
The fate of the universe will be decided as it should be- In Mortal Kombat!!
so, why didnt Abzu just ask Enki to use his sleep magic to help him sleep instead of destroying the universe?
Enki’s the wise one, Abzu should have just asked
never bring logic into religion
it was more fun this way
Because he knew Enki was an asshole who would murder him.
@@weirdalexander8193 Enki is called the wise one because he murders anyone who says otherwise in their sleep.
This is the sword that splits the Heaven and Earth.
ENUMA ALISH.
Do you have enough swords, King of Heroes?
My man
Fate Grand Order Babylonia Enuma Elish chant.
“EA is Naturally my Alter Ego. It is not a sword to be used on a weakling like you. Prove to me that you are mighty enough for me to behold EA.” Gilgamesh
ah was wondering when would see someone reference FATE
Fate fans: "Ah yes, that is what we like to call OP."
80k damage to all enemies is OP for u?
@@jeremy078 No but potentially destroying the planet with space cutting winds is.
Lol
@@joelsasmad Common misconception. Ea is anti-world, not anti-planet. It can't actually destroy the planet.
Yorokobe Zashu
FGO players: ah shit here we go again
Fate Stay Night fan be like: EKSUKALIBA!
_[Childhood End's BGM starts playing]_
Fate! Tiamat, Beast II: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~
The "darkness" in Genesis is "Tehome" in Hebrew, which is a cognate of "Tiamat"
Abyss would be Tehome
Tohu wa Vohu is Chaos
Darkness is Afela, Hoshekh
Thanks for your informations (both).
According to Hesiod (archaic Greece - Beotia) :
Chaos is greek for abysm,
Erebos is greek for darkness
... if I correctly remember.
It seems that middle east and mediterranean people influenced each other, even in ancient times.
@@youssefbarj9770 hey Yousserf, what verse in Genesis are you citing when you say YHWH kills the leviathan? Thank you in advance for any response.
@@youssefbarj9770 "In that day Yahweh [...] *will* punish Leviathan..."
Not sure what makes you think the Israelites believed God killed anything before he created the World... It very clearly is a polemic against the Babylonian myths and says that Yahweh is far more powerful than any of their gods. He effortlessly creates everything and tames the chaos by his word, not in some epic, hard-fought battle.
@@KevinDay Also psalm 74 12
We are all mongrels on this blessed day.
For real though, D&D always made me think of Tiamat as a giant evil dragon lady but this story makes me feel so sad for her. She just wanted to live in the chaos with her consort, bang every once in a while, and just chill. She even protected her kids, and they were like “POWER WORD: KILL, MOM!”
To be fair, her kids didn't try to kill her until after she tried to kill them.
@@Sewblon lol yeah very good point eBut it’s a parents prerogative to end their children for talking back! Lol
"While these names might not be too popular anymore..."
*Puts down D&D rulebook and pauses black metal record.*
EC, "... That way, Tiamat's chaos could never threaten the world again..."
Tiamat 2020, "Hello, did you miss me?"
Think of Stay Puffed.
@@RazeAVillage Ray... when someone asks you if you are a god, YOU SAY YES!!!!
King Hassan and Gilgamesh: We don't think so.
"You murdered my love!" cried Tiamat.
Marduk simply shrugged and replied, "Sucks to be you."
Poor Mama Tiamat....she just wanted to make sure that her children were always okay....According to the one Videogame Franchise that loves to milk characters and beings from Mythology, Tiamat isn't...evil....but highly misunderstood, because she cannot comprehend a world where her children do not need her.
Kuronosa nope milk more culturedly design thats all.
This human...speaks TRUTH!
*Intense screaming or singing*
Her boss theme is legit described in one sentence:
“When mommy pulls out her slipper”
what videogame?
After seeing this, I can now say that the portrayal of the Lahmu in FGO as noisy buggers are pretty spot-on.
Pretty sure that those (Alongide fake Gorgon-Tiamat's monsters) were based on Tiamat's demon children from the myth.
Humans are the loud noisy children in the myth.
@@cegesh1459 No wonder Tiamat wanted to replace humanity....
@@cegesh1459 Pretty sure humans are the beings made of the blood of Tiamat's champion, not the noisy ones, that would be Marduk and Co I think, with Ishtar being the noisiest by far, I'm sure. Lahmus in FGO:DFB were just New Gods 2: Electric Boogaloo
I always think of D&D when I hear Tiamat
Me too
I hope everyone reading this has a good night/day
Just got off work, stopped at Steak n Shake, gonna go home and play Yakuza 0.
i did thanks, hope you have a good one as well
Tiamat - *exists*
Kakyoin- allow me to introduce myself
Fate fans, unite, he’s talking about the funny spiral sword beam
Mongrel!
@@thesymbiotenation.4552 gilgamesh get yo half zasshu ass over here
When i get kids, i will tell them of the story of when the god of gods planned with his mate to destroy all their children for being to loud... maybe just stop at that part though
THE WORK OF THE DEVILS IS UPON US!!!!
take this like from me and GO AWAY!
This is a much more... heroic retelling of Marduk's rise to power. If I recall correctly, he was only willing to fight Tiamat *if* the other gods declared him their ruler.
I remember something about Enki relinquishing his crown to Marduk specifically since he volunteered to defeat Tiamat.
That doesn't sound too bad
@@RazeAVillage the order of events as I understand it was that Marduke saw the trouble with Tiamat, and knowing his level of power was greater than the other gods offered his service to defeat her, so long as he was recognized as their ruler for doing so, and would have refused were he not to receive the title. Thus, Enki gave his crown to Marduk's "volunteering", but in all fairness it's just as accurate to describe what Marduk did in the story as I have heard it as coercion.
"Go the Void to Sleep."
I see what you did there!
This enuma eliš must have been a later Babylonian version, seeing that Marduk was a minor god for half of Babylonian history.
And I thought Utu/Shamash was the god of the sun. I'm confused.
For what I remember, Marduk was specificaly a god of Babylon wich, for most of early mesopotamian (Sumer, Akkad) history, wasn't a major city, so at this this time he probably wasn't considered a major god.
I suppose that the creation story may have been different in Uruk, etc.
@Mullerornis Cool! May I have a source please? Thanks.
"There were Older Gods"
(Heavy Lovecraft breathing)
Jack Kirby: "time for some New Gods!"
HPL did draw from Mesopotamian mythology.
"There were Older Gods"...
When you believe you're about to play "Call of Cthulhu" and end up in Dragonlance...
Technically, the Enuma Elish is probably not older than writing itself. It was most likely created (in the form that we know) to justify Marduk's position as the Babylonian head deity, as his origins are more humble (probably as a god of farming), during or after Hammurabi's rule. Writing was already pretty well established at that time, even if mostly used for accounting and royal/sacral inscriptions. :)
Yup, in fact, Marduk was the third deity to be slotted into the role of "slayer of Tiamat". Previous versions had Anu or Enlil being the one who killed her. In fact the question of "who slayed Tiamat" was much more tied to politics of the region than actual myths, with whichever city-state was dominate at the time claiming their patron god was the one who slew her in order to justify their dominance.
tbh Tiamat sounds like she was the good one in that relationship
I agree
Right...
The sensible parent that didn't want to murder the children
Extra mythology, feels so good to be home
Angry Tiamat...
FGO Babylonia flashbacks
The whole series is based around that myth repeating. Just with Gil in the position of Marduk. Tiamat's Champion is called Kingu
YES
I predict that in about a few hours, this comment section will be invaded by the Fate fandom.
Also, Zasshu!
you were right
wow, didn’t realize there were literal plot armor way back 😂
For some reason this video was banned by my school, really makes you think how flawed some of the systems are.
Was it for expressing ideas contrary to the ideology of the school or because the goodness isn't dressed?
They aren't allowed to ban this.
“Nothing but void water and Chaos”
The internet: *Funny memes*
The longer these mythology series run, the more I become fascinated with these stories. Keep up the great work!
it's fun to hear after all these years of playing rpgs and hearing these names to finally know where they actually come from
Gotta be honest here, I don’t see a ton of similarities to Genesis here aside from the void in the beginning and then the creation of water... Seems a lot more like the Greek creation myths
I hope that one day we can learn the true extent of babylon's influence upon proto Greek society
All the stuff happening in a void makes me think more of the Norse or Egyptian creation myths. The only real connection to the Tanakah is that Leviathan is seen as a mutation of Tiamat, with Lotan thrown in, and gd destroys her
There's more of an overlap with the flood story, when Utnapishtim is instructed to build an ark after the gods decide to flood the earth when humans become too loud.
@@AbsolXGuardian
Don't forget Cipactli. The monster had the same story as Tiamat except it only took two Gods, Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca, to defeat the Universe-Eater.
Agreed! There are also many other analog myths that use water and a void as the ancestral state of the universe! There’s no reason to assume that This Babylonian myth was the inspiration for the Hebrews.
I really appreciate your overview of the Enuma Elish. The original texts are often impenetrable to modern readers (I should know -I read a translation of the Enuma Elish, and had no idea what was going on!)
Please keep doing what you so. It's great to see these stories made accessible to a broader audience.
I always felt bad for Apsu and Tiamat, they are basically just the Eldritch Abomination version of retired neighbors who just get cranky that those no good god-kids next door keep playing their rock-and-rolls of creation.
Apsu:" Dang kids with their creation. In my day, everything was primordial void, and we like it. I'm goin over there!"
Tiamat: "No, honey, come back to bed, not worth it."
Apsu: "No, no, I'm doing it, Imma wipe out creation!"
Tiamat: "Okay, honey, bring a sweater." (snore) "Then get back to bed."
Except the kids get scared by old-man Apsu, someone goes a little too far and he winds up dead. And then Old-Lady Tiamat pops out of bed goes ape-shit.
Extra Mythology called him Apsu, but sometimes he is called Abzu, which is a word that has been carried all the way to modern English as the word Abyss.
"Go the VOID to sleep!"
I like how this ties into Genesis. It's always interesting to see how mythologies influence each other.
This story is also pretty similar to Zeus and the titans
Well, that's chaoskampf for ya. The creations of universe which is linked to a change in destiny, and that is to change the chaotic origin of the universe into an orderly world
BROTHER,WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THIS HAS SIMMILARITIES TO GENESIS DRINKING,THIS IS LIKE 100.000 FOLD DIFFERENT THAN GENESIS,STOP TELLING NONESENSE AND ACCUALLY THINK OF WHAT YOUR SAYING,MAN.
@@yosefw6938 BROTHER,WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THIS HAS SIMMILARITIES TO GENESIS DRINKING,THIS IS LIKE 100.000 FOLD DIFFERENT THAN GENESIS,STOP TELLING NONESENSE AND ACCUALLY THINK OF WHAT YOUR SAYING,MAN.
I wonder if anyone on the extra credits team has seen the fate series and understands all of the references we are making
I wonder how many weebs are gonna start to talk about fate again.
I'm just scrolling through the comments looking for a Stimutacs reference.
All of them.
After living in the arguably noisiest dorm in NYC, full of screaming Gen Z-ers, I understand Apsu and Tiamat's desire to destroy the goblins on a deep, spiritual level. I lost count of how many times I wish I could push them all off a cliff for some peace and quiet.
I could've sworn that Marduk was the god of thunderstorms and not the sun. That honour goes to Shamash or Shemsh from which the modern Arabic word shems (شمس) is derived.
Bruh this is from Babylon in Babylon marduk is the sun God
Agree. There is no tradition in which Marduk was considered a sun god. In Babylonian mythology, the sun God was Shamash, and in Sumerian tradition, he was Utu.
This myth is also the basis of the creation of Sanctuary in the Diablo games. Anu was the god of the High Heavens and Tathamet was a dragon with seven heads that later became the Prime Evils.
Noice
wait so sugar water BECAME A GOD?
i think it just means potable water, as opposed to salty seawater
Sugar... In Water....
so basically, Tiamat is a literal lovecraft style old god
YOROKABE ZASSHU
Correction: not the Tablets of Destiny, the Tablet of Destinies. Everyone always gets it wrong for some reason.
Literal Plot Aamor that, hilariously, failed. Amazing.
4:15 - That Scorpion Man looks like Marceline from Adventure Time.
I like how this says that the entire world was created because some people were being a little too loud
2022.
*_I just tripped when I finally succumbed and gave in to the inevitable word of God that is "ABZU"._*
*_Now I have been researching for myths about the primeval sea for inspiration._*
couldnt the entire war have been prevented if they just cast sleeping spells on their dad and not killed him? just let him get some rest so he was less of a grump?
You can't sleep so you'll destroy existence... That's a bold decision.
Soooooooooo............. that's a reasonable response. :-D
As a fate fan NOT MY TIAMAT! As an extra credits fan holy crap this is wild !
I mean, apart from being a waifu, Fate's version of Tiamat is somewhat faithful. She even turns in a giant monster-spawning raid boss in the end.
Those tablets look suspiciously familiar too...
Ten commandments
@@ALLY_OF_BRUH that’s the joke.
@@jacobshore5115 thx
Some context for humanity; in Babylonian philosophy and theology, humanity's purpose was only the menial labour. The Babylonians believed that humanity was a slave race made from clay to only build temples and provide offerings and pour libations. If you look at Babylonian records and documents, a good proportion of them are just lists of sacrifices made to their city's specific god (each city had its own chief god, for example Marduk got Babylon, Ishtar got Uruk, Suen got Ur etc.), because to the Babylonians that was the sole purpose of man.
Good to see fellow mongrels of culture here lol
This was oversimplified so there are some error in the implications.
When Tiamat was enraged and started a war, the gods asked Enki for help but Enki, as helpful as he usually is, doesn't want to help them any further. So the gods asked for another high ranking god, Enlil. But there are some confusing stories here since Marduk[babylonian]/Ashur[Assyrian] replaced Enlil. Marduk is the son of Enki.
Anyway, the gods asked Enlil/Marduk to help against Tiamat. Enlil/Marduk agreed but in the condition that he will be granted as "King of Gods". Enlil/Marduk won the battle against Tiamat and thus granted with the title.
Kingu, accomplice of Tiamat with the tablet of destiny, was then put under trial and has been sentenced to death. Enki doesn't approved of that but the sentence was delivered.
Enlil/Marduk asked the mother of Enki about what to do next since Abzu and Tiamat is not around anymore to keep the world working. Nammu suggested that they can create laborers for the gods with the help of enki, so she woke up Enki, who has been sleeping, and told to do something about it.
Enki approved of the idea about the creation of laborers out of clay and mud, but also used Kingu's blood to create the first human, named "Adappa".
NOTE: there's a continuation story for this. There was a time that Enlil got bothered with humanity so much he decided to kill them with flood. Enki was the one to help to salvage humanity by informing them to create a boat that can carry their family and some of the animals around them.
In some way, it is similar with the Bible, but Enlil/Marduk was the cause of the flood while Enki was the savior of humanity. Maybe this is why there is such a big difference in the mentality of "God" in the Old and New Testament. And interestingly, the confusion about catholic's trinity is easily solved by the existence of Anu, Enlil, and Enki.
Not to mention that Marduk isn't a god of sun but in the Assyrian version ashur the sun god was the one who killed tiamat so I guess he had them mixed up?
BROTHER,WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THIS HAS SIMMILARITIES TO GENESIS DRINKING,THIS IS LIKE 100.000 FOLD DIFFERENT THAN GENESIS,STOP TELLING NONESENSE AND ACCUALLY THINK OF WHAT YOUR SAYING,MAN.
Wait until another person comes by to kill and have that person take the fall for reporting the body. Enki OG imposter
Goddamn it. Another bad among us joke. I'm getting sick of these.
If there is one thing you can't say about mythology (particularly creation myths) is that they are dull.
Your videos are just awesome. The quality of the story telling just captures my interest every time. More to come please 🙏.
So was Tiamat actually good and Marduk bad? It seems a bit like she loved her creation like a mother.
yeah it seem so
most of the summary video potrayed tiamat as bad
i would be appriciate if someone would do more of sumerian myth
No lol tiamat is the bad and marduk is the good tiamat is chaos it's a threat to us and we can make that threat or chaos into order or u would most likely get depressed
Bruh Marduk is the creator not Tiamat
Marduk created this world by Tiamat
_It's an older code, sir, but it checks out._
I love how you can sorta tell which culture's creation myth it is by who the OG gods are in it. Like the original two gods are briny water and fresh water. Which culture would salt & fresh water been that important to... oh Mesopotamia, yep makes perfect sense
Evangelion fans will remember Marduk for something else entirely.
Fate fans know of Enkudu and Enuma Elish and Tiamat.
Gurren Lagann fans know of Enki, Enkidu, and Enkidudu.
not commonly heard names? Teamat is everyone favorite dnd boss!
anyone who even watched/played fgo:the expert
Genesis is a very smart story in that it uses a familiar story (this one) to introduce a new theology and criticise its contemporary society.
BROTHER,WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THIS HAS SIMMILARITIES TO GENESIS DRINKING,THIS IS LIKE 100.000 FOLD DIFFERENT THAN GENESIS,STOP TELLING NONESENSE AND ACCUALLY THINK OF WHAT YOUR SAYING,MAN.
@@linin3288considering they talk about ‘Adam’ the flood, Noah, the serpent a few thousand years before all Abrahamical stories …
Who else here is a fate fan?
i love fate
Yorokobe zasshu
At first I tought you ment "religious" lol 😁
Better him than The Lady.
Yes
Fate Fandom : Yes
ZASSHU!
Sumerian Myth is eerily similar to Norse Myth.
Am I the only one thinking this story has a lot in common with those of the Titans and Moses?
I mean it's a creation story of when choas become an ordered universe;these kind of stories are everywhere from Alaska to Australia
Me: Ah I love mischief gods this should be funny
Murders his father and imprisons advisor in cold blood
Me: oh so… that kind of mischief
Am I the only that sees similarities between this story and the story of zeus and titans . I mean I know that both are part of the indo-european mythology but still
I’ve always wanted a big budget 300 style movie of this myth
Can you guys go over the story of the fish that jumped over the great big water fall and turned in to a dragon.
Sekiro intensifies
Great way of explaining! I read the version from way back and understand bitterly nothing. Thanks!
I've really been enjoying these short episodes. Not a documentary, but certainly nice little nuggets of good information.
Nothing like some good old fashioned hammurabi style law!
Ironically Tiamat was the noisiest foe in Babylonia.
"Enki built a home out of Apsu's remains"
That's a power move if I've ever seen one
Edit
"He built the earth from Tiamat's corpse and bound the eleven monsters to his feet as a trophy"
You know what nvm
Can we get journey to the west? Complete collection?
Extra Credits "Enuma Elish"
Fate fans "yeah yeah, allow us to tell you a story about Enuma Elish and the king of heroes..."
I find it inordinately pleasing that the greatest armour a god can wear is a really hefty book.
Way more fascinating & creative than the creation story from the Bible!
I am gonna bring forth serval fate fans with just one word...
_mongrels_
That time Abzu's wife got defeated by their great great grandson and his allies lol.
Just subscribed from Québec 😊 very instructive ❤
Extra Mythology my favorite
0:30 *Melechesh music intensifies*.
This reminds me of the elders scrolls mythology and the monomyth creation story.
How about a video about Atrahasis?
I see Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm, I click.
Marduk cutting chaos into order has so much meaning
Still paciantly waiting for the Brazilian miths video, one day
That would be cool. Any recomendations? Stay save.
So Kingu wears literal plot armor eh?!