THIS is why The Polar Express is CREEPY | The Uncanny Valley

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  • @loriyoungersouchik
    @loriyoungersouchik 2 роки тому +144

    Really makes you stop and think. All these cultures from all different corners of the world all happen to have similar stories of these kinds of creatures. At some point you have to say "yeah, okay, so that has to have happened."

    • @steelballrunner636
      @steelballrunner636 Рік тому +2

      Quite

    • @cmmagamers
      @cmmagamers Рік тому +7

      I mean, it's not like humans didn't basically have cousin species all over the planet. Could be a, "Wait... is that a Homo Sapien or ???" kind of thing.

    • @draco3314
      @draco3314 Рік тому +2

      Same goes for large snakes

    • @zac9933
      @zac9933 Рік тому +4

      I was just having this discussion with my brother recently. I see people online or even hear people in real life discredit things like a great flood because they usually are recounted in religious texts, like the Bible, and they immediately discrdit them because they think religion is bogus. But when you look at cultures from all over the world that have similar stories that all line up on the same time line, clearly something was happening.

    • @lauranolastnamegiven3385
      @lauranolastnamegiven3385 9 місяців тому +2

      @@draco3314 and dragons, cultures all over the world, have stories of dragons

  • @skitariiranger4346
    @skitariiranger4346 2 роки тому +165

    Best intro ever, James Charles is peak uncanny valley

    • @dynamodigitaldesign8293
      @dynamodigitaldesign8293 Рік тому +13

      New theory: Humans developed the uncanny valley as a defense mechanism against James Charles.

    • @oscaruzcategui6259
      @oscaruzcategui6259 Рік тому +7

      YES finally someone said it lmao

    • @skitariiranger4346
      @skitariiranger4346 Рік тому +3

      @@oscaruzcategui6259 oh no plenty of people have said it just not online

    • @jakemallory12
      @jakemallory12 Рік тому +7

      James Charlie’s scares me, especially since he hasn’t gone to jail for his high criminal record

  • @twineautists8226
    @twineautists8226 2 роки тому +98

    a good example of genetic memory is that Cats are afraid of cucumbers because they think they are snakes when they see them real quick. This stands even if the cat has never seen a reptile before. Our cats in Alaska will panic and run away from fake snakes even though they have never seen a reptile before and snakes die in our climate

    • @tropezando
      @tropezando Рік тому +7

      I've had multiple cats, none related, none afraid of cucumbers.

    • @klmeyer9907
      @klmeyer9907 Рік тому +3

      several of my cats catch snakes
      one actually caught and carried( dragged) home a water moccassin

    • @dustyrelic25
      @dustyrelic25 Рік тому

      My cats killed snakes

    • @Bloodclatburner
      @Bloodclatburner 8 місяців тому

      ive seen cats slap box snakes, guess they dont care in some places lool

  • @gabescorsone5277
    @gabescorsone5277 2 роки тому +55

    The uncanny valley is one of the most interesting topics to me. There are so many different applications in horror media and genealogical studies. The “why” is greatly debated but we can all agree the effect is has on us when we watch scary movies or listen to scary stories is bone-chilling. I want there to be a movie made about the origination of it with a director’s artistic eye

  • @__reneemaof2
    @__reneemaof2 2 роки тому +29

    My favorite explanation for changelings is a misunderstanding of autism in the ancient and near ancient world

  • @SzandorAdinsx
    @SzandorAdinsx 2 роки тому +58

    Whenever someone mentions the Annunaki i feel compelled to point out that in the Scooby-Doo Mysteries INC Lore, Scooby and other animals that can talk are actually descended from the Annunaki.

  • @Motsognir9791
    @Motsognir9791 2 роки тому +21

    So we got ptsd so bad that the fear is encoded into our genetics? That's terrorfying!

  • @tropezando
    @tropezando Рік тому +24

    I think recognizing potential illness/reproductive fitness is really the only viable reason for having this reaction to how things look. There are other indications of ill health than pallor. For example, a lot of uncanny valley examples also move strangely or react slowly (robots, animatronics, dolls), which, if judged as a person, might affect one's perception of their muscular strength, reaction time, and social skills.

    • @fridgenstuffs
      @fridgenstuffs Рік тому +7

      this is what I always think, a lot of these features can be attributed to illness or vectors of illness (such as dead bodies). which makes a lot of sense when you consider that the uncanny valley effect lives in the emotions of fear and disgust, two responses that we would be evolutionarily inclined to have toward people and things that would make us sick.

  • @AJBlueJay
    @AJBlueJay Рік тому +6

    The fear of pale, skinny, and pale / yellow / glowing eyes is easy to explain.
    Paleness reminds people of anemia, disease, death, and corpses. For most human history, people had dark skin, and people lived outside so they got tan anyway.
    Yellow and glowing eyes remind people of wolves and predators. Dead eyes turn cloudy, so white eyes and very light eyes also remind people of death. These are Stereotypical "zombie eyes".
    Skinny: Skinny can be a sign of disease. But also, the more something reminds you of a hunan baby, the more cute and innocent and harmless it seems, and less something reminds people of a human baby, the less cute and innocent it seems, and the more dangerous it seems. Human babies are round, chubby, and cute with short limbs. The opposite of this is tall and lanky, which triggers the exact opposite emotional response of cuteness (unless if the face is still cute, but tall and skinny with a cute face can also be uncanny because the face / body combination can seem out of place).

  • @lemonesgue137
    @lemonesgue137 2 роки тому +21

    I love the uncanny valley!
    Ive never found Polar Express creepy, honestly its one of my fav childhood movies

  • @herbertgearing1702
    @herbertgearing1702 Рік тому +14

    The uncanny alley is the lesser known but no less terrifying version of this phenomenon. You turn down what appears to be a well lit alley and the further you walk into the unknown and away from the main road you begin to realize that the lights you perceived are actually the glow of many crack pipes. It gives me the shivers just thinking about it!

    • @R0KURU
      @R0KURU Рік тому +1

      Lmao what xD

    • @ryanboscoe9670
      @ryanboscoe9670 Рік тому

      That's some cool imagery I'm not going to lie

    • @problems3485
      @problems3485 Рік тому

      @@ryanboscoe9670 actually tho, it’s kinda twisted

    • @ryanboscoe9670
      @ryanboscoe9670 Рік тому

      @@problems3485 yeah I dunno why. I'm a recovering addict so I can just identify and it I guess

  • @that_guy_3714
    @that_guy_3714 2 роки тому +14

    Late 90s and early 2000s CGI has peak uncanny valley effects

  • @margeebechyne8642
    @margeebechyne8642 2 роки тому +8

    I never cared much for dolls. I like plushies of animals just fine. Had all of Winnie the Pooh characters. But I really didn't even want to hold or touch regular "human" dolls, much less play with them. Raggedy Ann didn't bother me, but she looks like a rag doll, not human at all. Now I'm wondering if that was caused by The Uncanny Valley. I'll add that I don't have a problem with real babies and children, just the dolls. Very interesting. Thank you.

  • @SlipNperiodSlide
    @SlipNperiodSlide Рік тому +5

    As an autistic person, going into this with the knowledge of someone online saying autistic children might be an explanation for changlings, it’s an interesting video

  • @renefrady814
    @renefrady814 2 роки тому +6

    The feeling when something is not just right. Or someone or something is watching you. I hate that but it can save your life and has saved many people

    • @dynamodigitaldesign8293
      @dynamodigitaldesign8293 Рік тому +1

      That's mostly due to mirror neurons. Human brains are equipped with mirror neurons that often fire at the same time. It basically allows us to "sense" that there is another human in the immediate vicinity.

  • @WormwoodFiles
    @WormwoodFiles 2 роки тому +7

    If you get into Hebrew apocrypha, you also have Lilith and whatever creatures that she made it with outside of Eden. The population of the Land of nod was already large when Cain was sent away. Who were the people that were out there and if you follow flood mythology it explains where they went.

  • @dusk4974
    @dusk4974 Рік тому +4

    I've had a theory about the uncanny valley that I've gotten screamed at for.
    Psychopaths.
    What usually sets us off about the UV? The eyes. The lack of life. When an animated character is smiling but it doesn't meet their eyes. A painting where they eyes are just a bit off. The way someone reacts to a situation. Like a faked emotion. Psychopaths do all of this. What if that's our fear? A lack of empathy? A possible predator in our own midst? The fact that there's Women's Intuition and a woman more in tune with her genetic instincts can spot someone dangerous when no one else can. That's been my theory.
    People scream at me for it because psychopathy is a mental illness and the people defending it only play that card. But it doesn't discredit the fact that psychopaths are so much more likely to do something bad simply because they cannot feel empathy and that's what makes us human and not animal. It's what makes us special

    • @randomfan4521
      @randomfan4521 Рік тому +2

      I think that's a misunderstanding of animals. I heard and seen animals who will become sad after the death of a human or another animal that they are close too. They will stop eating and everything. So they do feel pain like that

  • @CalicoCrack
    @CalicoCrack Рік тому +4

    my personal theory would be disease. even before germ theory, people understood that plagues were bad. so to me, it makes a lot of sense that our ancestors would have negative reactions to others who look quite sickly or insane. they didnt have cures or treatments so the best thing to do was keep away from them.

  • @nikolaskasberg8657
    @nikolaskasberg8657 Рік тому +4

    Another reason could just be that people who looked out of the ordinary were not good for humans, things like visibility signs of sickness or even genetic defects could show that you should avoid these people because it could lead to bad offspring or you could get sick and die.

  • @vectorwolf
    @vectorwolf Рік тому +6

    The uncanny valley is just a cognitive artifact of how our brains are wired. The whole reason we're able to process data as fast as we can is a sort of batch process. We're hard coded to see and respond to patterns as a shortcut versus having to consider every single data point on its individual nature. Facial recognition was massively important to us as a species, and as a result, we tend to see faces that aren't even there, in an effect called matrixing. In addition, that pattern-searching is so ingrained that when we see something close, but not quite right, it makes that batching process stumble, and the unease results from an inability to instinctively categorize something that should process immediately. It's kind of like being upset that a picture on the wall is hung crooked. If the face is very different, however, it skips that 'stumble' because it was automatically classed into a different bin before the confusion could happen.

  • @harley8047
    @harley8047 Рік тому +3

    Naw man.
    Gaunt pale face, sunken eyes, sharp teeth.
    You're describing a nosforatu.
    Freakin vampires.

  • @hollyjollyxmas
    @hollyjollyxmas 2 роки тому +7

    The biggest reason I don’t buy the other hominid theory is that looking at artistic representations of Neanderthals, etc. DOESN’T trigger our Uncanny Valley. What does, though? Humanoids that are tall and thin with long arms and huge eyes…

    • @LampSt
      @LampSt 2 роки тому +2

      If the Neanderthals had no eye whites like he said in the video I could kind of see how thatd be spooky. But even then, apes with no eye whites aren't all that creepy

    • @AJBlueJay
      @AJBlueJay Рік тому +1

      Tall and thin is the polar opposite of a cute baby. Babies are short and round with short limbs. The more something reminds you of a baby, the more cute and innocent it feels. So tall and thin is just the opposite of a baby, and makes you feel opposite emotions, such as not cute, not innocent, and dangerous.
      Huge eyes aren't uncanny by themselves. Most good Disney characters have huge round eyes and are cute. It's very drooping eyes, sunken eyes, eyes with long canthus, and bulging eyes that are ugly and not cute, because babies have deep set round eyes with a short medial canthus due to lots of baby fat around their eyes, while old people have eyes that bulge out, droop more, or are more sunken in due to disease or loss of fat and support around the eyes due to aging. Bulging eyes are also a sign of anger, fear, and surprise, are your mirror neurons then make you feel these unpleasant emotions when you see bulging eyes.
      Someone can have sunken eyes ans bulging eyes ay the same time. Sunken eyes means that there is less support around the eyes, and bulging eyes means the eyeball itself is bulging out from the side view due to inflammation in the eye socket and or less support around the eyes.

  • @wintersking4290
    @wintersking4290 11 місяців тому +2

    The word jotun comes from the root word Eot meaning to eat. They're literally called the eaters. Also norse myth also has a flood that wiped out the giants' original Homeland and killed the oldest and most powerful of them, the so called Hrimthursar.

  • @Willow4526
    @Willow4526 2 роки тому +17

    I love that you believe in monsters still. It's people like you that are exemplary examples of logic we need more of. All kinds of Scientists, historians, archaeologists, particle physicists, medical doctors and so on can all still believe in mystical beliefs, from religion to monsters but still stand holding logic and reason at the for front, at the same time without it being corrupted by the belief in something we can't prove or know to be true yet or at all.

  • @Arcanelake98
    @Arcanelake98 Рік тому +1

    I’m glad there is a name for this because I just thought I was weird. I have had a problem with certain types of animation/claymation since I was a kid. I distinctly remember the cover of TV guide that had a cartoon caricature of Rosanne and Dan Conner that I was so afraid of, I threw it behind the refrigerator in the basement. 😅

  • @nathanflowers7364
    @nathanflowers7364 2 роки тому +4

    Dolls are a great example of this

  • @SpineBones
    @SpineBones Рік тому +1

    I'm not scared of mannequins, but cabbage patch kids disturb the shit out of me

    • @lauranolastnamegiven3385
      @lauranolastnamegiven3385 9 місяців тому +1

      I always thought the Cabbage Patch Kids were so ugly! I never understood people who thought they were cute, & wanted them.

  • @jamesgrenier8856
    @jamesgrenier8856 Рік тому +4

    Hmm, larger humans or human-like creatures would need stronger, denser bones and longer muscle fibers which are not very conducive to the ability to swim. Interesting.

  • @sophiakovaleva
    @sophiakovaleva 2 місяці тому +1

    Peter Watts explored the notion of "early hominids weren't the apex predators" really thoroughly in Blindsight. This book has vampires and aliens, and it somehow manages to seem biologically plausible!

  • @iridium7554
    @iridium7554 11 місяців тому +1

    Humanoids never gave me uncanny valley, however, robots with animal moving mechanics, like to robo dog from Boston Dynamics, creep me the hell out.

  • @lordjaraxxus5418
    @lordjaraxxus5418 Рік тому

    A group of girls always told me that I looked like the main character of the move... After thinking about it, I kinda do when I was younger.

  • @bally7675
    @bally7675 2 роки тому +7

    just a comment, but when you mentioned changelings, some scholars currently believe that calling children changelings was a way to explain autism.

    • @lauranolastnamegiven3385
      @lauranolastnamegiven3385 9 місяців тому

      it was prevalent enough, back then, to warrant creating an entire myth about it?

  • @Izkapts
    @Izkapts Рік тому +1

    The extreme end of bias we have towards other humans manifests in our kin is in the systematic exploitation, harming and killings of nonhuman living, feeling beings of our planet - other animals. For example, cutting a human's throat and then eating their dead body is seen as abhorrent but if it's a lamb, then kinda accepted although both feel fear, pain and are capable of love.

  • @magnusthered9635
    @magnusthered9635 Рік тому +1

    Every time I hear about the giant red haired people. I always think of Gigantopithecus.

  • @lorielovesbooks7315
    @lorielovesbooks7315 Рік тому

    Or another theory of why we don't like looking at things like The Polar Express is that it is hurtful/ harmful to our eyes and that makes a person want to turn away and because a lot of people don't feel as connected to their physical self then they wind up attributing a psychological explanation when it is a physiological one.

  • @ryanjones_rheios
    @ryanjones_rheios Рік тому +2

    Its not just sickness you'd need to account in that but also starvation, birth defects, and injuries. All of those factors contribute to things we ostracize, usually due to wanting to avoid being "contaminated" by them in some capacity, at least when our sense of preservation (for community or self) is overriding our empathy and thought. Also the effect of almost being blind as infants and how strange and scary the world could impact the uncanny valley.
    Also since evolution doesn't just give benefit it could be a completely coincidental thing that stuck around. It didn't hurt any group of humans enough to be a detriment to survival, so it bred in, but that doesn't mean it was necessarily helpful either.

  • @marxistmarinebiologist314
    @marxistmarinebiologist314 2 роки тому +5

    It’s always giants!

  • @evanleclair1133
    @evanleclair1133 Рік тому

    6:08 they’re bigger, faster, stronger too! They’re the first member, of the BC crew!

  • @r4ndomz4ne27
    @r4ndomz4ne27 2 роки тому +2

    Love your content Aiden, thanks for making great videos!

  • @SpookUrBeanz
    @SpookUrBeanz 2 роки тому +7

    I've always had the theory that we are a smaller sub species of human, like that one point that there was a bigger main species of humans. giants essentially.

  • @wintersking4290
    @wintersking4290 11 місяців тому

    Could a population of the ancient giants have survived a flood by climbing up onto the glaciers around the Arctic? That would explain why the stories of them are mostly in the Northern hemisphere.
    On the other hand, there is the whole demons are the spirits of nephilim theory. And the fey don't really fit into either of those since they're something else weird, related to the fallen probably, but stll different in some ways.

  • @sterlingdennett
    @sterlingdennett Рік тому +1

    What about inherited, genetic disorders, and/or birth defects? I mean, stuff like Down syndrome (and other forms of Trisomy), and stuff like Fetal Alcohol Syndrome?
    That would affect not only your appearance, but your genes as well (or at least your overall health), making one a VERY poor choice as a mate, and future parent to your children.
    These types of disease can affect just about any ethnic group/culture, making it close to universal, and the safeguards that would have evolved to defend against it would be universal, too.
    Think about it - we have evolved other safeguards, like the Westermarck effect, which guards against incest and inbreeding (the taboo against incest is pretty much universal)

  • @persephone.333
    @persephone.333 2 роки тому +3

    Can't help but think of Skinwalkers in da woods....yikes.

  • @chaoticizz
    @chaoticizz 2 роки тому +2

    Your friends don’t THINK you’re insane, your friends KNOW you’re insane.

  • @elizabethschneider9327
    @elizabethschneider9327 2 роки тому +6

    But why are Rhett and Links on the graph? Did I miss something?

    • @TheLoreLodge
      @TheLoreLodge  2 роки тому +7

      Listen Tech Aidan makes the graphs I just talk

  • @cha13rly
    @cha13rly 2 дні тому

    Think black eyed kids. They’re human but not quite. That was my first thought when I was listening to this video.

  • @stewartmeetball3417
    @stewartmeetball3417 2 роки тому +1

    Loved the intro aiden

  • @kaitlint3987
    @kaitlint3987 2 роки тому +1

    What about the odd status we find it the lion man?

  • @AidenRKrone
    @AidenRKrone Рік тому +1

    Much of what we _think_ we know about the Nephilim actually comes from extrabiblical sources, _not_ the original Hebrew scripture (i.e., the Tanakh in Judaism and the Old and New Testaments in Christianity). The canonical Judeo-Christian Bible actually has very little to say about the Nephilim. Most people think that the Nephilim are the offspring of fallen angels who copulated with human females, but even that is not _explicitly_ confirmed in the Bible. Therein lies the problem with things like "Christian" demonology, angelology, and folklore: so much of it comes from fallible human sources (e.g., apocrypha, pseudepigrapha, and other nonbiblical or extrabiblical works) rather than the flawless and objective Word of God.

  • @sdv7217
    @sdv7217 Рік тому

    Take a look at Unseen Realm by Michael Heiser. While your at it google genetic entropy, you will have a completely different outlook on civilizations timeline and evolution.

  • @SFBamboo59
    @SFBamboo59 Рік тому

    Check out the book Them and Us: How Neanderthal Predation Created Modern Human by Danny Vendramini. Totally explains where the Uncanny Valley originated in humans, IMO.

    • @TheLoreLodge
      @TheLoreLodge  Рік тому +2

      We mated with them, find it hard to believe it’s the origin

    • @SFBamboo59
      @SFBamboo59 Рік тому

      @@TheLoreLodgeMore likely it was Neanderthal mating with us - modern human females taken in raids while hunting modern humans for food. Check out the book. The science is all there.

    • @Red-jt6uu
      @Red-jt6uu Рік тому +1

      But was that mating consensual?

  • @thegnosticalien
    @thegnosticalien 2 роки тому

    Polar express prolly my least favorite movie of all time for this exact reason

  • @meganpike293
    @meganpike293 Рік тому

    Thankfully I'm one of those people that it takes a lot to hit the valley with me
    I've never had to deal with it in video games or movies before. Until Hogwarts Legacy. There was just one particular character, one of the house elves. I don't remember his name but to me the animation on the face was just /wrong/. Only character in the game that has done it as of yet though

  • @sleepyhorse5095
    @sleepyhorse5095 Рік тому

    Vampires

  • @gamingnerd4264
    @gamingnerd4264 Рік тому

    W intro

  • @Slippindisc
    @Slippindisc 2 роки тому

    Randall Carlson appreciator?

  • @georgecisneros5281
    @georgecisneros5281 Рік тому

    Me thinks somebody may be familiar with the Predatory Neanderthal theory.👹🤔

  • @SwedishDrunkard5963
    @SwedishDrunkard5963 Рік тому

    could be from when human was monkey

  • @johnnygustafson316
    @johnnygustafson316 2 роки тому

    i'll buy you UFC for a shotout

  • @Quackadam
    @Quackadam Рік тому

    Sounds like my ex!

  • @mr.wicked8697
    @mr.wicked8697 2 роки тому

    If they still come around they prob don’t feed as often with all of us fat asses walking around. Easy pickings also just saying

  • @jelly434
    @jelly434 Рік тому

    You're broadening the definition of the uncanny valley to include things that have absolutely nothing to do with it, which suggests you don't understand it.
    It's subtle, and it absolutely makes your skin crawl when it happens.
    Toothy/vaguely humanoid >obvious threats< like almost all your examples, with the cherry-picked traits you've focused on to tie them into the theme... are *not* it.

  • @ratman2113
    @ratman2113 2 роки тому

    I'm the 69th like and I'm proud

  • @jackofalltrades123
    @jackofalltrades123 Рік тому

    I'm reading the comments to see who's offended by the intro... I'm happy to report I haven't seen any 👏

  • @gabrielfrost1582
    @gabrielfrost1582 Рік тому

    Vampires