Don't miss the next Poutama iwi video: ua-cam.com/video/HOCaHZOSdF4/v-deo.html This one's all about how the exploited iwi sets rules against negligent developers constructing on their land. Enjoy!
In order for it to be a documentary it needs to show perspectives from all parties involved as well as objective view from experts on the subject that have nothing to gain or loose from voicing their views. If this was part 1 then fair enough, now where is the rest of it?
This happened in Tauranga and the elderly women who owned and lived on the land like this couple defended her land until the bitter end. NZTA took it and are now building a by pass to enter Tauranga. The land she looked after had native Trees planted by her now passed husband, I took one of her last walks through that property with her while she touched and remembered EVERY TREE AND PLANT ON THAT LAND. her heart broke because she was getting to old to defend it against these awful planners. These people are right ANCIENT land. So sad.
Happened to us in tauranga Te Puna took land for a road but built a house for the then mayor of tauranga as well still fighting for our land many have died in our whanau thieves at their finest still happening today thieving b######s
Yep I met a family whos farm has been in the family for over four generations, they were forced to sell to NZTA due to the new Northern Link highway being built in Tauranga.
Welcome to the public works act where they can take what they want, when they want - this is the same act that took more workable Māori lands under the guise of infrastructure n now they’re coming to take theirs. The average NZer has no idea how much a property like this has been a labour of love to ensure the flora n fauna continue to thrive and many don’t care, they just want that 3-4mins off their commute time - thank you for the clip, I’ve signed the petition and shared it
I worked as an enviro on the new highway, bypassing the old Manawatu gorge road. We were going into areas that had almost no human intervention and it was heart breaking to think that the bush and waterways would be demolished to service the new highway let alone the fauna. My heart goes out to this family.
And has left the manawatu gorge alone which is a beautiful spot now with just the dead road left behind. What spot exactly had no human intervention apart from the tiny part at the beginning by the new bridge?
@@9.5to1 Yeah I agree with you. The point I was making is that when ever earth is moved in virgin territory, regardless of best practice, the environment left will never be the same.
NZ is my home, although I live in Canada right now. This is going on everywhere, in every country!!!. We have to help these people fight for our lands, regardless of our location - this damage to our lives has to END!
This is awful, we dont need another 4 lane highway. We can already access the country that we all call home. It makes me sick that this is happening to our country, not only here but all over. Years from now we will look back at the way Aotearoa has been changed and shaped into a skeleton of its former self, rife with western corruption and greed. Its now that we need to stand up, not tomorrow or the next day. Its this moment we need to grasp and take ownership of..
well said, though unfortunately us having access to "our" country has little, if anything at all to do with it, corruption has its roots in greed and a four lane highway only serves those who gain from the movement of commerce across it, at the expense of native flora, fauna, Whanau and untouched ancient lands for future generations to connect with. Just my thoughts. Kia Tauterangimarie. may peace prevail.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour from a government agency and commercial company Australian owned Downers! Whatever happened to a compromise in keeping New Zealand clean and green?!!! Let alone compensation for taking someone's private home and pristine country land that cannot be replaced without a proper monetary payment?!!! What has happened to the Treaty of Waitangi signed so many years ago and the promises held within that treaty? Have we sunk so low as to treat our fellow men with such contempt and our precious land and those animals that dwell within even worse? What have we become?
And corporations control the fraudulant judicial system, learn about UCC and blacks private law the government hides from us,and they use public law which is fraud on the public.
We experienced this in Christchurch. Unfortunately as a result we have learned that there are ZERO private property rights in New Zealand. Many Cyclone Gabrielle victims are still trying get back on their feet also with insurance and compensation issues. There is a clause in legislation that when private land is compulsorily aquired, compensation at a market rate is meant to be offered. Instead people have to fight like hell for years and years.
Barthanson3043 I was interested that the Treaty was signed AFTER the UK began rolling back their feudal claims to own everything below the first 18 inches of owned land. The New Zealand government legislated to be able to take people's land off them, to facilitate a railway passage through the Waikato TWENTY YEARS after the Treaty was signed. I'm guessing that this means EVERY NZer cannot have their land taken off them. Thoughts anyone??
I would believe it - they've done it before. It's taking people's homes that's the problem without proper compensation, and without considering other alternatives
As an ex NP lad I have such fond childhood memories driving through that area. Mum would always point out it's rugged, untouched beauty and the drive over Mt Messenger was a special family checkpoint for every trip we made. It would be heartbreaking to see that valley disrespected by a road that only saves a few minutes, especially when the existing road can be upgraded. A well built road can be a great asset, Transmission Gully in Wellington has been a huge success but that did not destroy pristine native bush and pure streams like this would. I pray this insane idea is stopped and NZTA pull their arrogant heads from out of their backsides.
How SAD Is this? Our beautiful country, flora and fauna being torn apart, desecrated by an invasive & negative use! A corridor of unequalled beauty - this is not progress, consider the spiritual and physical invasion/destruction of such a beautuful piece of Earth, this equates to disrespect of our land, Mother Earth, a gift from a creator. Reconsider your part in its destruction and your own mana/karma, one day you may face yourselves in the part you played in this action. Proud to be Pakeha and in. Love with this land.
Heartbreaking. Councils and government agencies have got way too big for their boots lately in my opinion. They think we will just put up with it and carry on paying their wages. Will we ? My dad worked for the council years ago, and I remember him moaning quite often about having to consult with the locals and not go ahead with decisions if the locals didn't approve. How times have changed. Thank you for posting this.
In my land grab by the govt the negotiators from the govt went to our local council and told them to not issue any consents for our land that we had paid the council to process. An official info act request by our lawyer to our council uncovered the email trails. When we went to the council to protest about privacy issues they told us to withdraw our consent applications. That was 12 odd years ago. We are now heading to the court of appeal in year 13 of our fight with the govt for the land they stole off us.
@@jand78aKeep going & NEVER give up please! They figure that you'll just "roll" eventually at some point ..... Congratulations on your sustained efforts so far!!! Bravo Bravo!!!!😊, 👏
Almost cried to that intro makes me want to head back to my marae, love my beautiful culture and country 🇳🇿 my heart goes out to this couple and lots of others trying their best to keep our country green
It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last. I’m just glad this couple got some air time for at least a little coverage. It’s happened in Paradise Valley where I live, under the guess of road safety’. My sister and many others forced out north of Hamilton….its way way more common than people think, it just gets little to no air time
I’m from a place in northland like this and are heavily connected to the land. Please if I can help, I will. My prays and support is with you. Proud to b kiwi keep our bush native and clean.
@@gsfilms69 I have just signed the petition. There are people on here that have said its all too little too late? What is the current status please with this whenua?
Interesting documentary but unfortunately it appears this project is going ahead as the Pascoes challenge failed in court. I really think you should donate a portion of the money you're making off this video to the Pascoes
Husband has worked here in the Construction industry for 16 years, with 45 years in total as a Professional in other Countries Construction industries with over a Billion $ delivered. Yet he’s ignored, disparaged, disrespected,dismissed by people in management jobs whose CVs are “Aupair” “Art Degree” “Swimming Pool manager” They havnt got a f¥€£ing clue, instead of making use of his knowledge they are terrified he will show them up so they do everything they can to bury him. Hes been told more than once “that’s not how it’s done here mate” It’s not how it’s done in the rest of the world, Integrity, Respect, Professionalism, are words totally unknown to NZs Construction Industry. We came here because we had been led to believe NZ wanted Qualified professionals, we came here for a better life, never expected to be contemplating leaving after 16 years. The stuff he’s seen, had done to him, his PTSD has damn near killed him. Yes, NZs construction industry is corrupt, from top to bottom, Protectionism first last and always.
Hi from Aussie . This is a criminal . This is not just a house It's their home, and home is where the heart is . Their hearts are with this place . NZTA, stop pushing your agenda with fear NZTA Leave them alone ❤
Well done on your production. I am aware that the family in your doco lost their case to prevent NZTA building the bypass. The very fact that they were well advanced with construction before they had even secured the route says a lot about their arrogance . When I looked at the WSP web site I certainly had some question marks over their claimed crash savings because they seemed to be using parts of the highway in their analysis (as best I could tell from NZTA’s publicly available crash data ) that were unaffected by the bypass. I put the existing route up on my youtube channel and made a few derogatory comments about what this route will look like after they have buggered the valley, based on their recent cut and fill approach north of Auckland and their “fly-overs” on youtube. Of course I’m sure NZTA would have a PR spun alternate view of how all this went down. I’ve been up and down SH3 for five decades and Mt Messenger was always one of the most scenic sections and incredibly safe if you don’t drive like an idiot, I thought the comment on the cold, ice and fog in the valley was an interesting one and I can guarantee that was never taken into account in the cost benefit. !!
It has nothing to do with road safety or time saved. There'll be financial gain involved, likely in the form of a kick back of cash on the project. Otherwise they wouldn't be this determined.
Everything seems to be purpose and intent. Will probably have an agenda. Makes you wonder about theories of owning nothing (us) and be happy (them) the only climate crisis that will be pushed is more hardships for the common man and more costs and taxes . Nothing to do with nature.
This pisses me off so much. If you take the train from Wellington to Auckland, you see that the entire North Is is basically one giant farm. The level of destruction is immense in the name of "progress" I always thought NZ was better than other countries in this regard but at the rate we are going and with King Shane Jones with his pockets open we are going to have nothing left outside the national parks 😡😡🤬🤬😡
Just a few weeks ago we drove from New Plymouth over the Mount Messenger though to Te Kuiti, yes its pretty steep in places, however there is no reason what so ever a need for a Bypass. The traffic is very light and the road is safe to drive. If Downers are looking for work ,fix up the roads in Auckland which are in shocking repair. You can drive 30 minutes from Auckland and be driving on metal, muddy roads. Its a bloody outrage in 2024 to be expected to drive in 1930 grade roads. The problem in New Zealand is we give our Politicians a soft ride. Its about time they learn they are there to serve New Zealanders best interests not their own egos.
I thought that NZ would always do better than this. Utterly indefensible conduct in the home of this couple. The road sounds a great risk in frosty winter conditions. This is rank bullying by greedy business with no business being there. You have made a dignified and necessary plea for support with this video. 🙏
When the oil and gas pipeline went from Taranaki north a highway was proposed to provide service and transport running alongside the pipeline by the oil company, this was dismissed by the government, soon this pipeline will need to be decommissioned so makes sense to have gone the coastal side where the pipeline goes. What's happening now is a quick fix transport solution but our government can't see the bigger picture, tunnel vision polititions
Why has this video arrived now and what has happened in the almost 7 years since the Simon Bridges announcement? There seems to be so much missing to be able to form a clear understanding of what the current plan is or the decision-making processes that appear to have landed on this option of all that were mentioned. On the surface it looks like a crazy decision has been made but there are too many things in life to get angry about without having all the facts. That said, it’s impossible not to feel the hurt of these people - I hope there is a better outcome for them than the one they fear.
What facts do you need , this video was kept from New Zealand ,this happened 2016 ,John Fucken Key kept it hidden ,but someone released it , read what it says . This Government needs to be booted out .
Having fought against transit for 13 years and watched them take our land and not give us any money I know why its taken 7 years. The govt negotiators use delay tactics and manipulate timeframes and withdraw promises to keep delaying and deferring in the hope you will go away accepting their minimal offers of compensation.
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
Maori never owned anything! We were supposed to be guardians of the land! Don't confuse the 2... I still don't believe something so beautiful should be a shtty highway!
Are you serious! NZTA should be bloody ashamed of em selves, I hope the Tony and debbie get a good outcome and arent pushed out of their home! YOUR HOME IS YOUR CASTLE. 🇳🇿🇳🇿
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
This is absolutely appalling that beautiful land which is pure,untouched and cherished by those that live there and visit can just be taken away without any regard for nature or the inhabitants.All the NZTA is worried about is $$$$ and power! My heart goes out to this couple ♥️
We all need the land , for the land needs us .The land needs kindness for it will heal and feed us .The politicians seem to need money for they feed on greed and money ,so they sell the land to who ever and the land is lost for those who are the true owners of the land and that is us the people of New Zealand.
Dont move out coz then they have you. They need your consent. everything is offer and acceptance. they have no power it is all imagined and we allow it. ignore them and their orders they have nothing but assumption and presumption of power.
Kia ora , thank you for this documentary 🙏 It is top class ,everything, very professional and downright beautiful, if it wasn't for the deeply saddening topic. Also excellent to have this on YT , for the world to see . Not sure if I'm right on this , but isn't at least 90% of Aotearoa's wetlands destroyed already? " They " know this ...... I will share this work of art . The disrespect and disregard for our taonga and people is deeply sickening. Nga mihi nui to everyone involved in this 🌿
I can always remember the first time I went to New Plymouth 1986 going over mt messenger on the back of a Harley open face helmet the smell of the bush was so amazing & beautiful I’ll never forget that ❤❤❤
Is this the new way of things when stupid roads take the president over peoples rights? This is not the New Zealand I was brought up to and have worked in all my life.
There’s something not quite adding up here. Where’s the outrage from the Māori community all over & the NZ community in general. Where the road blocking & sit ins the green environmental protesters etc etc. If the government is disregarding treaties, it affects all ancestral lands. Like what happened with logging in Tassy & what’s happening with Canadian, North American Indigenous Indians fight for their land. In this case this show makes it appear as not one environmental or Māori cultural body gives a rats-ass. Very strange…
I think the petition has already been handed in and ignored. And it sounds like it's over according to Stuff article from May, unless someone has a plan to continue the fight somehow. Absolute disgrace. Google Environment Court rules land can be taken for Mt Messenger bypass.
I believe all of what you have said . I live and work on Hebden Cres in Lower Hutt. We have have always been able to exit our road on to Hwy 2 and go north and south . This affects 30-40 business . Under Jacida's phony ZERO road death policy , NZTA made a decision to close off the south exit which is the MAIN exit onto Hwy 2 . They asked the 40 businesses what they though and ALL opposed their proposal . When they came to me and my business I threw them out with a trespass threat if they did ! Now that they have closed off the road we now , thousands of vehicles must make a +7 K trip to a over pass that is now congested to get BACK to where we use to go south on Hwy 2 . We formed a committee and the NZTA didn't want to listen ! I personally wrote Simion Brown to complain and when I call his secretary she asked when did I send it , I looked on the computer and told her the time and she then confirmed they had it and that Simion would call me . That was weeks ago and now they have block us off from going south ! . This government is NO different to the previous government . The road companies are using the NZTA as a piggy bank to get money for their over priced jobs it is a Government Mafia . NZ has become a horrible place to live ! So we will endure THOUSANDS OF EXTRA MILES of driving on unsafe roading that is not properly maintained bu the SAME company that is destroying the business on this road . Oh and to make maters worse the council set all of a letter saying we are on a earthquake fault !
More scare mongering from the council just yell Karori tunnel on a fault, karori itself on fault and Highbury is where crush zone on fault is located people continue to live there.. probably some of council managers live in Karori itself with their high salaries. Great little place up where you are located not much sun in some spots but employ a lot of local people..😀
Why, for the past few decades, does everything in our country that brings on the skin crawling feeling of possible government corruption, always seem to involve road building?
This is just bully boy tactics by Downers and NZTA and before anything they must be held to account over there behavior. As we are meant to be living in a democracy so first and foremost this must be up held and respected! NO ROAD! End of... Tony you spoke and explained your position very well and I wish you and your family all the best.
Thanks for the upload, record every interaction and make is much documentation/interactions etc viewable to the public and not just in your local communities but also things like facebook as it would be a shame to see such a place destroyed (cause we all know how crap government departments are at doing things right or just at times)
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
We need the biggest protest ever and follow them where ever they destroy beautiful land in new Zealand I believe we are one of the last real country to actually have real land and food isn't fake if you know what's man made to what is naturally land made and not made by machine.
Hearing this is really interesting. I was a huge fan of a bypass going in but i definitely am not ok with this kind of treatment of people. Lies, manipulative tactics, loop holes and strongarm tactics, classic actions from big organizations and people who just want the box ticked on their project
Thanks for sharing this story. I've been in the courts system self-representing for over 7 years and these so called experts are nothing of the sort. The expert is the person who has the direct lived experience of events including the antecedent events and conditions that contribute to the current situation. In this instance this family and the generations of people that have cared for this land are the experts. Courts do not want truth they want money for themselves and those who they are aligned with, in other words their colleagues, perceived peers and old boys club. Prideful idiots all of them. Stand strong no matter what. Many of us stand with you whilst standing by our own principles in our own struggles. I look forward to visiting this region again and enjoying its majesty. Thank for taking care of this place. I'm sure it takes care of you too
Let’s not forget about the laws that prohibit Māori land owners from developing on their own land or becoming wealthy. We are not welcome to be millionaires or billionaires!
Lived and farmed in a similar environment in Urenui, this has made me ball my eyes out...I wonder if the person/people (f@#$wits) that gave this the ok have ever left their 4 walls if their offices!!! Disgusting...worry about city infrastructure
Nzta and all involved should be ashamed .. how dare they do this to a family and over ride their rights to their land and bully this family ! Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!! 🤬😡
No way are they going to ruin this landscape for a road, it's magic. I will put down money to help spread this message, where do i sign. I will get hundreds of signatures.
Excellent title! You got me to click 👍 Very sad what happened here. Unfortunately, posting it now is a bit late and there's nothing we can do. Well done on all your views though 👏
Don't miss the next Poutama iwi video:
ua-cam.com/video/HOCaHZOSdF4/v-deo.html
This one's all about how the exploited iwi sets rules against negligent developers constructing on their land. Enjoy!
In order for it to be a documentary it needs to show perspectives from all parties involved as well as objective view from experts on the subject that have nothing to gain or loose from voicing their views. If this was part 1 then fair enough, now where is the rest of it?
What a load of BS!! No mention of the damage the cattle have and are doing?? Of cause not. Typical maori twist on everything.
@waenmanson3489 with the Cowfarts and Carbon thing
This happened in Tauranga and the elderly women who owned and lived on the land like this couple defended her land until the bitter end. NZTA took it and are now building a by pass to enter Tauranga. The land she looked after had native Trees planted by her now passed husband, I took one of her last walks through that property with her while she touched and remembered EVERY TREE AND PLANT ON THAT LAND. her heart broke because she was getting to old to defend it against these awful planners.
These people are right ANCIENT land. So sad.
That's tragic
I am deeply saddened by this , thank you for sharing 🙏
Happened to us in tauranga Te Puna took land for a road but built a house for the then mayor of tauranga as well still fighting for our land many have died in our whanau thieves at their finest still happening today thieving b######s
Yep I met a family whos farm has been in the family for over four generations, they were forced to sell to NZTA due to the new Northern Link highway being built in Tauranga.
@@neeks3112 exactly! It's not like they have too but by the time everything is built . What is left for you to enjoy?
NZTA How about fixing the roads we already have.. Expect us to have cars that are up to code when the roads are crap..
they are not building roads for us to use , follow the money
This is a total injustice!
All New Zealanders need to sign a petition and make the Nzta listen.
Kia kaha!
Bloody disgusting approach by NZTA.
Welcome to the public works act where they can take what they want, when they want - this is the same act that took more workable Māori lands under the guise of infrastructure n now they’re coming to take theirs.
The average NZer has no idea how much a property like this has been a labour of love to ensure the flora n fauna continue to thrive and many don’t care, they just want that 3-4mins off their commute time - thank you for the clip, I’ve signed the petition and shared it
Yup, it's called living in a democratic 'free' society and it's not going to get any better any time soon.
I worked as an enviro on the new highway, bypassing the old Manawatu gorge road. We were going into areas that had almost no human intervention and it was heart breaking to think that the bush and waterways would be demolished to service the new highway let alone the fauna. My heart goes out to this family.
And has left the manawatu gorge alone which is a beautiful spot now with just the dead road left behind. What spot exactly had no human intervention apart from the tiny part at the beginning by the new bridge?
@@9.5to1 Yeah I agree with you. The point I was making is that when ever earth is moved in virgin territory, regardless of best practice, the environment left will never be the same.
@@chebra36oh well. Over driving the fucking saddle continually so bring on the new road
NZ is my home, although I live in Canada right now. This is going on everywhere, in every country!!!. We have to help these people fight for our lands, regardless of our location - this damage to our lives has to END!
This is awful, we dont need another 4 lane highway. We can already access the country that we all call home. It makes me sick that this is happening to our country, not only here but all over. Years from now we will look back at the way Aotearoa has been changed and shaped into a skeleton of its former self, rife with western corruption and greed. Its now that we need to stand up, not tomorrow or the next day. Its this moment we need to grasp and take ownership of..
So well said cheers
well said, though unfortunately us having access to "our" country has little, if anything at all to do with it, corruption has its roots in greed and a four lane highway only serves those who gain from the movement of commerce across it, at the expense of native flora, fauna, Whanau and untouched ancient lands for future generations to connect with.
Just my thoughts.
Kia Tauterangimarie. may peace prevail.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour from a government agency and commercial company Australian owned Downers! Whatever happened to a compromise in keeping New Zealand clean and green?!!! Let alone compensation for taking someone's private home and pristine country land that cannot be replaced without a proper monetary payment?!!! What has happened to the Treaty of Waitangi signed so many years ago and the promises held within that treaty? Have we sunk so low as to treat our fellow men with such contempt and our precious land and those animals that dwell within even worse? What have we become?
Cha cha chain of fools... I fear the worst of men chasing the bottom line
You should have seen the protest at the parliament grounds...
And corporations control the fraudulant judicial system, learn about UCC and blacks private law the government hides from us,and they use public law which is fraud on the public.
@@francamorani717 wish I had!
100% I feel yah
We experienced this in Christchurch. Unfortunately as a result we have learned that there are ZERO private property rights in New Zealand. Many Cyclone Gabrielle victims are still trying get back on their feet also with insurance and compensation issues. There is a clause in legislation that when private land is compulsorily aquired, compensation at a market rate is meant to be offered. Instead people have to fight like hell for years and years.
Barthanson3043 I was interested that the Treaty was signed AFTER the UK began rolling back their feudal claims to own everything below the first 18 inches of owned land. The New Zealand government legislated to be able to take people's land off them, to facilitate a railway passage through the Waikato TWENTY YEARS after the Treaty was signed. I'm guessing that this means EVERY NZer cannot have their land taken off them. Thoughts anyone??
I cannot believe they would ruin all this beautiful land to save only 3 or 4 minutes of driving time. Ridiculous
absolutely agree
I would believe it - they've done it before. It's taking people's homes that's the problem without proper compensation, and without considering other alternatives
It's not about saving time it's about money
The governments the world over have been corrupted
@@comment2302 saving money ? petrol? costs of driving over Mount messenger? so then the owners deserved much more compensation than what was given?
As an ex NP lad I have such fond childhood memories driving through that area. Mum would always point out it's rugged, untouched beauty and the drive over Mt Messenger was a special family checkpoint for every trip we made. It would be heartbreaking to see that valley disrespected by a road that only saves a few minutes, especially when the existing road can be upgraded. A well built road can be a great asset, Transmission Gully in Wellington has been a huge success but that did not destroy pristine native bush and pure streams like this would. I pray this insane idea is stopped and NZTA pull their arrogant heads from out of their backsides.
Sadly, it's a fait accompli. 😢
How SAD Is this? Our beautiful country, flora and fauna being torn apart, desecrated by an invasive & negative use! A corridor of unequalled beauty - this is not progress, consider the spiritual and physical invasion/destruction of such a beautuful piece of Earth, this equates to disrespect of our land, Mother Earth, a gift from a creator. Reconsider your part in its destruction and your own mana/karma, one day you may face yourselves in the part you played in this action.
Proud to be Pakeha and in. Love with this land.
Heartbreaking. Councils and government agencies have got way too big for their boots lately in my opinion. They think we will just put up with it and carry on paying their wages. Will we ? My dad worked for the council years ago, and I remember him moaning quite often about having to consult with the locals and not go ahead with decisions if the locals didn't approve. How times have changed. Thank you for posting this.
They are facades for a global banking elite. Read anything by Stephan Mitford Goodson.
In my land grab by the govt the negotiators from the govt went to our local council and told them to not issue any consents for our land that we had paid the council to process. An official info act request by our lawyer to our council uncovered the email trails. When we went to the council to protest about privacy issues they told us to withdraw our consent applications. That was 12 odd years ago. We are now heading to the court of appeal in year 13 of our fight with the govt for the land they stole off us.
@@jand78aKeep going & NEVER give up please!
They figure that you'll just "roll" eventually at some point .....
Congratulations on your sustained efforts so far!!! Bravo Bravo!!!!😊, 👏
There is no shortage of sociopaths in government agencies and corporate entities that fully believe the law does not apply to them.
Adern being a very good example of that -Its just a pitty the Media are so corrupt -And no im not a fan of Nats either -They will sell us out as well
no government turns them into sociopaths , every body ever harmed is because of a government . people live in peace when there are no rulers ,
Almost cried to that intro makes me want to head back to my marae, love my beautiful culture and country 🇳🇿 my heart goes out to this couple and lots of others trying their best to keep our country green
What a sham leave these poor people alone and let them live in their beautiful part of NZ, shame on you nzta
It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last. I’m just glad this couple got some air time for at least a little coverage. It’s happened in Paradise Valley where I live, under the guess of road safety’. My sister and many others forced out north of Hamilton….its way way more common than people think, it just gets little to no air time
I’m from a place in northland like this and are heavily connected to the land. Please if I can help, I will. My prays and support is with you. Proud to b kiwi keep our bush native and clean.
Great film, where's the petition.
community.greenpeace.org.nz/petitions/no-mt-messenger-bypass-save-mangapepeke-valley-1
Thank you very much 🙏
@@gsfilms69the petition was presented to Parliament in November 2022.
@@gsfilms69 I have just signed the petition. There are people on here that have said its all too little too late? What is the current status please with this whenua?
Interesting documentary but unfortunately it appears this project is going ahead as the Pascoes challenge failed in court. I really think you should donate a portion of the money you're making off this video to the Pascoes
@@Dusty.Old.Bones.
How much money is this video making?
no corruption in nz .....bullshit
Husband has worked here in the Construction industry for 16 years, with 45 years in total as a Professional in other Countries Construction industries with over a Billion $ delivered. Yet he’s ignored, disparaged, disrespected,dismissed by people in management jobs whose CVs are “Aupair” “Art Degree” “Swimming Pool manager”
They havnt got a f¥€£ing clue, instead of making use of his knowledge they are terrified he will show them up so they do everything they can to bury him.
Hes been told more than once “that’s not how it’s done here mate”
It’s not how it’s done in the rest of the world, Integrity, Respect, Professionalism, are words totally unknown to NZs Construction Industry.
We came here because we had been led to believe NZ wanted Qualified professionals, we came here for a better life, never expected to be contemplating leaving after 16 years. The stuff he’s seen, had done to him, his PTSD has damn near killed him.
Yes, NZs construction industry is corrupt, from top to bottom, Protectionism first last and always.
Yes big time. It runs deep. Most of NZ still hood winked.
That's dirty work from NZTA
Hi from Aussie .
This is a criminal .
This is not just a house
It's their home, and home is where the heart is .
Their hearts are with this place .
NZTA, stop pushing your agenda with fear
NZTA Leave them alone ❤
Signed. Commenting to get the YT algo to promote this doco. I can't beleive this is still happening in 2024.
Well done on your production. I am aware that the family in your doco lost their case to prevent NZTA building the bypass. The very fact that they were well advanced with construction before they had even secured the route says a lot about their arrogance . When I looked at the WSP web site I certainly had some question marks over their claimed crash savings because they seemed to be using parts of the highway in their analysis (as best I could tell from NZTA’s publicly available crash data ) that were unaffected by the bypass. I put the existing route up on my youtube channel and made a few derogatory comments about what this route will look like after they have buggered the valley, based on their recent cut and fill approach north of Auckland and their “fly-overs” on youtube. Of course I’m sure NZTA would have a PR spun alternate view of how all this went down. I’ve been up and down SH3 for five decades and Mt Messenger was always one of the most scenic sections and incredibly safe if you don’t drive like an idiot, I thought the comment on the cold, ice and fog in the valley was an interesting one and I can guarantee that was never taken into account in the cost benefit. !!
It has nothing to do with road safety or time saved. There'll be financial gain involved, likely in the form of a kick back of cash on the project. Otherwise they wouldn't be this determined.
Everything seems to be purpose and intent. Will probably have an agenda. Makes you wonder about theories of owning nothing (us) and be happy (them) the only climate crisis that will be pushed is more hardships for the common man and more costs and taxes . Nothing to do with nature.
@@johntaeb99trucking lobby who says NZ is corruption free 😂😂😂
This pisses me off so much. If you take the train from Wellington to Auckland, you see that the entire North Is is basically one giant farm. The level of destruction is immense in the name of "progress" I always thought NZ was better than other countries in this regard but at the rate we are going and with King Shane Jones with his pockets open we are going to have nothing left outside the national parks 😡😡🤬🤬😡
Just a few weeks ago we drove from New Plymouth over the Mount Messenger though to Te Kuiti, yes its pretty steep in places, however there is no reason what so ever a need for a Bypass. The traffic is very light and the road is safe to drive. If Downers are looking for work ,fix up the roads in Auckland which are in shocking repair. You can drive 30 minutes from Auckland and be driving on metal, muddy roads. Its a bloody outrage in 2024 to be expected to drive in 1930 grade roads. The problem in New Zealand is we give our Politicians a soft ride. Its about time they learn they are there to serve New Zealanders best interests not their own egos.
The whole road from Auckland northbound to whg needs to be redone
I thought that NZ would always do better than this. Utterly indefensible conduct in the home of this couple. The road sounds a great risk in frosty winter conditions. This is rank bullying by greedy business with no business being there. You have made a dignified and necessary plea for support with this video. 🙏
Where do we sign the petition??
To late it's already happening.
@@christinealsop5800 Seriously??
@@mikescudder4621 yes well under construction at least for the last 2.5 years
Can't be stopped at this point
community.greenpeace.org.nz/petitions/no-mt-messenger-bypass-save-mangapepeke-valley-1
Thank you very much 🙏
Just like anything in this country things won't change until the people wake up and stand united
hit the nail on the head , government love a divided community , they are easy to rule
When the oil and gas pipeline went from Taranaki north a highway was proposed to provide service and transport running alongside the pipeline by the oil company, this was dismissed by the government, soon this pipeline will need to be decommissioned so makes sense to have gone the coastal side where the pipeline goes. What's happening now is a quick fix transport solution but our government can't see the bigger picture, tunnel vision polititions
Heartbreaking when will human beings live in peace with Mother Nature instead of destroying it at a whim and every turn?
until the day we decide to form a government . history shows this , we are all supposed to be equal
If god could look down on what NZTA are doing to that place he would cry, those people at NZTA should be ashamed
why is this unlisted and "illegal"
its a great doco ka pai
Thanks! But since it's unlisted how did you find it? 😂
@@gsfilms69 I found it through a friend who shared it.
@@gsfilms69 video has been up for 21hrs and came up in my feed.
@@SuperGluetube same
@@gsfilms69 I have no idea.....
Brilliantly said and done.
Why has this video arrived now and what has happened in the almost 7 years since the Simon Bridges announcement? There seems to be so much missing to be able to form a clear understanding of what the current plan is or the decision-making processes that appear to have landed on this option of all that were mentioned. On the surface it looks like a crazy decision has been made but there are too many things in life to get angry about without having all the facts. That said, it’s impossible not to feel the hurt of these people - I hope there is a better outcome for them than the one they fear.
What facts do you need , this video was kept from New Zealand ,this happened 2016 ,John Fucken Key kept it hidden ,but someone released it , read what it says . This Government needs to be booted out .
Having fought against transit for 13 years and watched them take our land and not give us any money I know why its taken 7 years. The govt negotiators use delay tactics and manipulate timeframes and withdraw promises to keep delaying and deferring in the hope you will go away accepting their minimal offers of compensation.
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
This road is well underway now.... Nzta just pushed on.
NZTA have got a lot to answer for. They seem to be a law unto themselves.
NZTA are a corporate cult owned by offshore oligopaths.....
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
And so went millions of hectares of Maori land..
Nz land mate!
@@nickolb1231 Be honest with yourself, it was taken...and continues to be....maori or not.
Paved paradise and put up a parking lot?
@@nickolb1231looks like you’re on nzta side here
Maori never owned anything! We were supposed to be guardians of the land!
Don't confuse the 2...
I still don't believe something so beautiful should be a shtty highway!
Disgraceful. The Govt should be ashamed
Government and its economic slavery system should be gone.
Are you serious! NZTA should be bloody ashamed of em selves, I hope the Tony and debbie get a good outcome and arent pushed out of their home!
YOUR HOME IS YOUR CASTLE. 🇳🇿🇳🇿
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
I'm absolutely disgusted and upset about this 😢 March to Parliament I say I say 💯
What a heartbreaking story. Thank you for making this known. Beautifully yet heartbreakingly done.
The link for the petition isn’t here, I will happily sign it, once you upload it.
This is absolutely appalling that beautiful land which is pure,untouched and cherished by those that live there and visit can just be taken away without any regard for nature or the inhabitants.All the NZTA is worried about is $$$$ and power! My heart goes out to this couple ♥️
Tony ,move into Paula Bennetts house ,and Simon Bridges house
We all need the land , for the land needs us .The land needs kindness for it will heal and feed us .The politicians seem to need money for they feed on greed and money ,so they sell the land to who ever and the land is lost for those who are the true owners of the land and that is us the people of New Zealand.
No. Don't need to do this. Leave these beautiful pockets of wonderful land 😢😢😢
Dont move out coz then they have you. They need your consent. everything is offer and acceptance. they have no power it is all imagined and we allow it. ignore them and their orders they have nothing but assumption and presumption of power.
Kia ora , thank you for this documentary 🙏
It is top class ,everything, very professional and downright beautiful, if it wasn't for the deeply saddening topic.
Also excellent to have this on YT , for the world to see .
Not sure if I'm right on this , but isn't at least 90% of Aotearoa's wetlands destroyed already?
" They " know this ......
I will share this work of art .
The disrespect and disregard for our taonga and people is deeply sickening.
Nga mihi nui to everyone involved in this 🌿
my heart...i have never in my life been so outraged and embarrassed to be a New Zealander....disgraceful
Far out
Shocking, im saddened to have stumbled across this. I can relate to this it sux
I can always remember the first time I went to New Plymouth 1986 going over mt messenger on the back of a Harley open face helmet the smell of the bush was so amazing & beautiful I’ll never forget that ❤❤❤
Is this the new way of things when stupid roads take the president over peoples rights? This is not the New Zealand I was brought up to and have worked in all my life.
There’s something not quite adding up here. Where’s the outrage from the Māori community all over & the NZ community in general. Where the road blocking & sit ins the green environmental protesters etc etc. If the government is disregarding treaties, it affects all ancestral lands. Like what happened with logging in Tassy & what’s happening with Canadian, North American Indigenous Indians fight for their land. In this case this show makes it appear as not one environmental or Māori cultural body gives a rats-ass.
Very strange…
when it comes to crunch time we will come in droves. Kia kaha
It never comes to CRUNCH TIME they kill you by a thousand cuts NOT one big slice 😢
Signed. From Victoria Australia
I think the petition has already been handed in and ignored. And it sounds like it's over according to Stuff article from May, unless someone has a plan to continue the fight somehow. Absolute disgrace. Google Environment Court rules land can be taken for Mt Messenger bypass.
I wouldn't believe a word Stuff says.....
@@Henri377 you're welcome to Google articles from other newspapers for yourself.
That's discusting
Im ready for a sit in.
Good plan
Have you ever thought about defunding NZTA
Me too!! I'm a conservationist. Where there's a will there's a way
I had the same idea and in this comment section so have others.
This will stop it
@@FreebornLivingWoman Why tf would we defend NZTA?
I believe all of what you have said . I live and work on Hebden Cres in Lower Hutt. We have have always been able to exit our road on to Hwy 2 and go north and south . This affects 30-40 business . Under Jacida's phony ZERO road death policy , NZTA made a decision to close off the south exit which is the MAIN exit onto Hwy 2 . They asked the 40 businesses what they though and ALL opposed their proposal . When they came to me and my business I threw them out with a trespass threat if they did ! Now that they have closed off the road we now , thousands of vehicles must make a +7 K trip to a over pass that is now congested to get BACK to where we use to go south on Hwy 2 . We formed a committee and the NZTA didn't want to listen ! I personally wrote Simion Brown to complain and when I call his secretary she asked when did I send it , I looked on the computer and told her the time and she then confirmed they had it and that Simion would call me . That was weeks ago and now they have block us off from going south ! . This government is NO different to the previous government . The road companies are using the NZTA as a piggy bank to get money for their over priced jobs it is a Government Mafia . NZ has become a horrible place to live ! So we will endure THOUSANDS OF EXTRA MILES of driving on unsafe roading that is not properly maintained bu the SAME company that is destroying the business on this road . Oh and to make maters worse the council set all of a letter saying we are on a earthquake fault !
More scare mongering from the council just yell Karori tunnel on a fault, karori itself on fault and Highbury is where crush zone on fault is located people continue to live there.. probably some of council managers live in Karori itself with their high salaries. Great little place up where you are located not much sun in some spots but employ a lot of local people..😀
@@julianwalls1077 How does the public hold NZTA accountable when Simeon Brown does NOTHING in responding to contacts !
Why, for the past few decades, does everything in our country that brings on the skin crawling feeling of possible government corruption, always seem to involve road building?
they need road that robot trucks can use
You're a true Kaitiaki
I will sign the petition.
This is just bully boy tactics by Downers and NZTA and before anything they must be held to account over there behavior. As we are meant to be living in a democracy so first and foremost this must be up held and respected! NO ROAD! End of... Tony you spoke and explained your position very well and I wish you and your family all the best.
Standard fish head behaviour 🤬 shame on you NZTA
Don't they hammer us with ; "there's a housing crises" ??🧐
Thanks for the upload, record every interaction and make is much documentation/interactions etc viewable to the public and not just in your local communities but also things like facebook as it would be a shame to see such a place destroyed (cause we all know how crap government departments are at doing things right or just at times)
Ridiculous if it doesn’t really save travel time. Half the fun of going to New Plymouth is going over Mt Messenger!! Keep it!!
Good on ya Kym
Poutama lost the court case. Whats more disgusting is that Waka Kotahi then filed an application to seek costs of $70,000 from Poutama for the legal proceedings, and won that also. If you're interested in reading the court PDF files, google POUTAMA KAITIAKI CHARITABLE TRUST AND D & T PASCOE
Hope everyone shares this ♥
So much for the NZ corporatocracy being clean and green huh .......
We need the biggest protest ever and follow them where ever they destroy beautiful land in new Zealand I believe we are one of the last real country to actually have real land and food isn't fake if you know what's man made to what is naturally land made and not made by machine.
This is a Crime to what’s left of our Precious Native forests let alone absolutely Unsustainable for All in the not too Scarey future to behold 🧐🕊🌏🙏🏼
Disgusting abuse of "power" by the government, but not surprising.
Petition signed and shared!
What else can we do?
Yep, When the gov does wrong, you complain to the govt? MAKES ZERO SENSE
nz stand up
Petition please.......
community.greenpeace.org.nz/petitions/no-mt-messenger-bypass-save-mangapepeke-valley-1
Thank you very much 🙏
Greenpeace is a corporate cult as bad / if not worse than NZTA........ Do your own research
Anyone would think that the Government and Ngati Tama would nuture a natural environment like that
Sign the petition in the description, its almost at 20,000
I can't believe that government will bother with opinions that dont support development.
Hearing this is really interesting. I was a huge fan of a bypass going in but i definitely am not ok with this kind of treatment of people. Lies, manipulative tactics, loop holes and strongarm tactics, classic actions from big organizations and people who just want the box ticked on their project
Thanks for sharing this story.
I've been in the courts system self-representing for over 7 years and these so called experts are nothing of the sort. The expert is the person who has the direct lived experience of events including the antecedent events and conditions that contribute to the current situation.
In this instance this family and the generations of people that have cared for this land are the experts.
Courts do not want truth they want money for themselves and those who they are aligned with, in other words their colleagues, perceived peers and old boys club. Prideful idiots all of them.
Stand strong no matter what. Many of us stand with you whilst standing by our own principles in our own struggles.
I look forward to visiting this region again and enjoying its majesty. Thank for taking care of this place. I'm sure it takes care of you too
I stand with you Pascoe Whanau keep me posted I’ve signed the petition. Much awhi Arohanui bro and sis ❤
This has to be saved. Shame on you NZTA
Mighty king country help our neighbors of taranaki say hell yeah
Too late for a petition. It's already under construction.
I'm so sorry for the family and for the land 💔
Typical gov screwing over good kiwis
Good video
Let’s not forget about the laws that prohibit Māori land owners from developing on their own land or becoming wealthy. We are not welcome to be millionaires or billionaires!
From British Columbia Canada.... we wish you the best. It is a beautiful place and should be kept as pristine as it is now.
Lived and farmed in a similar environment in Urenui, this has made me ball my eyes out...I wonder if the person/people (f@#$wits) that gave this the ok have ever left their 4 walls if their offices!!! Disgusting...worry about city infrastructure
Nzta and all involved should be ashamed .. how dare they do this to a family and over ride their rights to their land and bully this family ! Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!! 🤬😡
What a treasure. I can’t believe it’s gone ahead😢 Shortsighted, selfish bastards
Insanity from NZTA to save 3 to 4 minutes on a trip? Just improve the current roadways and make these better.
"Pave paradise, put up a parking lot...." - Joni Mitchell
Typical of corrupt politicians the world over.
AOTEAROA is not FOR SALE!!!
Neither is New Zealand
Nz is who owes the banks?@@FreebornLivingWoman
This whenua is Taonga! 120 years ago the whole area was pristine like this valley
No way are they going to ruin this landscape for a road, it's magic. I will put down money to help spread this message, where do i sign. I will get hundreds of signatures.
Excellent title! You got me to click 👍
Very sad what happened here. Unfortunately, posting it now is a bit late and there's nothing we can do. Well done on all your views though 👏
This is heart breaking! Where's the link to the petition?
This is why we need a seconded amendment like USA dose!
No thanks
@@tonybolstad9514 with out it we just have to let people take advantage of us just like this
@@ritchiewalker6194indeed we need 2a.
Interesting , but really need to hear from both sides
We don't inherent this land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our tamariki.