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I do believe that the universe is part of something a bigger That its fine tuned by something way more powerful then myself and us humans will never be able to grasp it
The universe is fine tuned for life. What utter nonsense. Most of these facts given by the presenter are misquotes or taken out of context, 99.999% of the universe would kill you in less than a minute.
@@Triskster Really?... We Christians always believed the entire universe to be perfectly safe for human life. We always thought people could live on the sun & breath in the vacuum of space? Thank you for telling us about these dangers... what would have done without your wisdom?
"Changing ANY factor in the universe wouldn't allow this universe" ... and you come up with only one, namely the expansion rate i'd like you to go more into detail and call out ALL factors that are so precisely fine-tuned that any change wouldn't allow life nor the universe to exist. Thanks for your efforts.
He listed many of them, such as the distance between the Earth and the sun, the axial tilt of the earth, the distance of the moon, the existence of Jupiter and Saturn. I don't know the reason for these but I will research it, you could do the same.
It's an example friend, stay calm, you know that the same applies to gravitational, strong, weak nuclear, and electromagnetic forces, which are the pillars of reality, basically, if all of them had appeared different in the Universe there would be no life, how can this be explained without appeal to God? I'm already saying that invoking the Simulated Universe is just another way of saying that God made it, and invoking the Multiverse doesn't have that much effect since it's impossible for there to be any way of proving the existence of it. Also you can't accuse me of using the God of the Gaps fallacy since I'm using things we know and study to claim that it was made by God instead of arguing about something that isn't recorded (Not to mention it's just a pretty way to run away because there are no more plausible arguments other than God).
I got you 1. Gravitational Constant (G): Determines the strength of gravity. If G were larger or smaller by just 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^40), stars would either burn too quickly or never ignite, making life impossible. 2. Electromagnetic Force Constant (α): Governs electromagnetic interactions. A variation of about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^40) would prevent the formation of stable atoms, leading to no matter as we know it. 3. Strong Nuclear Force Constant: Holds atomic nuclei together. If this force were different by 0.000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^20) no stable nuclei would form, preventing the existence of matter. 4. Weak Nuclear Force Constant: Influences processes like radioactive decay. A variation of about 0.0000000000001% (1 part in 10^15) would prevent the formation of hydrogen and helium. 5. Cosmological Constant (Λ): Relates to dark energy and the expansion of the universe. If Λ were different by even 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^120) the universe would either collapse too soon or expand too quickly for stars and galaxies to form. 6. Higgs Boson Mass: Affects the mass of particles. A difference of about 0.0000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^30) would lead to a universe devoid of life-sustaining particles. 7. Mass of Protons: Determines the stability of atomic nuclei. If the mass were different by 0.0000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^30) hydrogen and helium would be unstable, preventing the formation of stars and molecules essential for life. 8. Mass of Neutrons: Similar to protons, affects nuclear stability. A variation of 0.0000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^30) would disrupt the balance necessary for nuclear reactions in stars, halting the formation of heavier elements. 9. Ratio of Electrons to Protons: Determines atomic structure. A variation of about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^40) would destabilize the atomic structure making life impossible. 10. Baryon-to-Photon Ratio: Influences the density of matter in the universe. If the ratio varied by 0.00000001% (1 part in 10^10) the universe would not have formed galaxies meaning no stars, planets, or life. 11. Temperature of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation: Influences the formation of structures in the universe. A change of 0.000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^20) would alter the formation of stars and galaxies making life impossible. 12. Entropy of the Universe: Relates to the disorder in the universe. A variation of 0.00000001% (1 part in 10^10) would prevent the formation of complex structures necessary for life. 13. Dark Matter Density: Influences galaxy formation. If the density varied by 0.00000001% (1 part in 10^10) the structure of the universe would collapse leading to a universe without stars or planets. 14. Dark Energy Density: Affects the expansion rate of the universe. A variation of 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^120) would prevent the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets. 15. Fine Structure Constant (α): Governs the strength of electromagnetic interactions. A variation of about 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^60) would disrupt the atomic structure preventing chemistry and life from functioning.
People will twist themselves into pretzels to avoid talking rationally about the possibility that there is something so powerful that it can create things like a universe to the precise specifications needed to support the kind of life who can recognize what has happened.
@@guyjosephs5654 And we haven't been able to do it, the closer we get the mor the answer points to God. Consciousness and what created the big bang and the immensely fine tuned universe.
@@duncanbarnard1832 that’s not how many see or interpret things. For some things point to a God, but many don’t see that. Consciousness is a hugely difficult thing to study. Same with the before the Big Bang. The universe isn’t fine tuned. Are you saying that because we can’t explain everything that the only possible explanation is a God?
@@guyjosephs5654 No that's certainly not what I'm saying at all, I don't do the god of the gaps nonsense. The universe's expansion rate, gravity etc are immensely fine tuned to our existence.
@@guyjosephs5654 ehh not really, he doesn’t really insult it in anyway, he just explains what the Bible means about stuff about atheism. Can you please explain to me what he got wrong?
@@Hanako-San100 when he says “if atheism is merely a lack of belief, this this chair is an atheist, this book is an atheist”…yes that’s insulting and ridiculous. He’ll then begin to talk about scientists and then go, “we’ll really we mean atheists”…he is then acting like there aren’t scientists who do believe.
@@guyjosephs5654 ohh I get your point. Majority of scientists are atheists or agnostics. I’ve never really heard him say that all scientists are atheists but the arguments atheists used how it’s based on science and atheist scientists he’s talking about or encountered. I think about the chair and book thing it’s kinda true like how can they have a belief if they are not alive, they lack having a belief in everything around them not just religion. he could have worded it better tho.
@@Hanako-San100 the way he switches from scientists to atheists shows me he’s trying to make a point and not a nice one. Well if someone uses science, and sees things that have natural explanations I can make sense for them to reach certain conclusions. No, the chair and book thing is misrepresenting and disrespectful. They are inanimate objects, they aren’t alive and him comparing them is an insult and shows he’s desperate. He could have said some other creatures but he choose things that aren’t alive. I genuinely think he purposely misrepresents atheism and science. He’s done apologetics long enough to know better. He picks and chooses what science to talk about and then still cheery picks.
@James Henry Smith You can always imagine that your favorite deity is ultimately behind any natural phenomenon, including evolution, abiogenesis, the Big Bang, the weather, the orbits of planets or whatever. That doesn't mean that a scientific explanation of how these things work is an attack on religion.
@James Henry Smith Saying you are a "child of God" is just a poetic way of saying you ARE God, in the sense that you are s manifestations of the Divine, an incarnation of the essential stuff of the cosmos, the way that seemingly separate waves are sll made of the sea. Evanglicals twist this into a parent-child relationship with all its emotional baggage and games of dominance and submisdion, of obedience and rebellion and punishment vs. reward.
tell me if i'm made in the image of god why am i not eternal, immaterial, spaceless, timeless, omnipotent and omniscient? you really swallow franks bull don't you. i'm as "in the image of god" as a monkey.
@@1sgr1999 Well that is a stupid statement. Tell me, if the Soviets lied about being the first in space, wouldn't the Americans have called them out on that? Also, how do you explain thousands and thousands of satellites orbiting the planet providing idiots like you with GPS?
It is madness to think symmetry can form out of chaos and time out of statistical entropy! But it is logical that a process of spherical 4πr² symmetry forming and breaking could form entropy with the potential for greater symmetry formation. When the spherical symmetry breaks, it could form the potential for the most beautiful of geometrical shapes, the spiral. We have photon ∆E=hf energy continuously transforming potential energy into the kinetic Eₖ=½mv² energy of matter, in the form of electrons. Could this process form a design pattern or template in the form of spherical geometry for self-organization and complexity to arise?
Watching this video is mind-blowing. For the athiests out there who disregard this, answer this please. The big bang "theory"... how did that come about, from nothing? Even science admits there is no answer Lol- its not the eyes that are blind but the hearts
Maybe learn about the big bang instead of learning it from idiots? The Big bang doesn't say everything came from nothing, that's what the Bible says. Big bang doesn't describe time , matter, and space coming into existence after it happened. It describes them expanding , after it stopped being whatever it was before that moment. Some also say "what caused it?". Answer is "we don't know". Than they say "than why could it be not god?" Which god? Your god? Why is it your god? Why is it not a random spaghetti monster named "jefferson"?. Also it's not any religion. Why? Religion is lack of evidence, instead of rushing answers for things we don't know , just admit that we don't know. Do fairys exist? They don't. Why do we know they don't exist? Because of lack of evidence. Same applies to God . Until he's proven to exist , he doesn't exist. Some say "well what about my personal experience with God" children also have personal experience with Santa Claus and toothfairy. Does that mean they are real?.
Two points on the apparent fine tuning of the universe. First, underlying the notion that the parameters are fine tuned is the assumption that the values we see are unlikely. We don't know this, nor can we. In order to judge them rare we would have to have a probability distribution for each parameter. Since we can't observe other universes to measure their values this assumption is unfounded. This makes the notion that the parameters could have no other values as valid as the notion that they are fine tuned. Secondly, the notion of fine tuning brings up the question of what the fine tuned for. From a mathematical and scientific point of view, if the universe is indeed fine tuned then it is much more likely that it is tuned to produce black holes than humans.
Well without black holes we woukdnt be here. Also its as if youre making the assumption that there are other universes. Otherwise how else could you say the fine tuning of this universe isnt rare. The multiverse idea is literally made up so that current science stays relevant. They have no answer as to why the universe is fine tuned and the only the way around it other than god is to say, meh we are just one of infinite universes and of which, 1 would have to be as our universe is. If that isnt faith then i dont know what is.
@@WhyAreWe_Here No, I don't make any assumption about other universes. My point is that we would need them in order to have any idea if the parameters in ours are unlikely. Since we cannot observe other universes we cannot make the fundamental assumption in fine-tuning, that the values in our universe are unlikely by chance. Since nobody can assume other universes (including me) any argument that rests on the notion that ours are unlikely has no legs to stand on. Fine-tuning actually needs them and their absence makes fine-tuning mere speculation. You are making a common mistake regarding the multiverse hypothesis. It is not "made up" in any way. A large number of valid scientific theories, theories that have been validated over and over again in the realms we do observe, predict them. Multiple universes are a prediction made by the math we use every day that faithfully explain our universe. Most physicists and cosmologists are actually quite unhappy with this prediction because observing them seems impossible. One physicist, Laura Mersimi-Houghton of UNC Chapel Hill, is presenting evidence that we can see their effects in the CMB. We'll have to see if this evidence stands the test of time. At any rate, you are incorrect to assert that the notion of the multiverse is just made up. Completely incorrect.
It is possible that you have never bothered to watch the video. It is also possible that you have only come to this video to make this comment. Lots of things are possible. That this universe is the result of luck is not one of them.
Why not make sure that you are truly saved by Jesus Christ and practice this way. Remorsefully confess with your heart your sins to Jesus Christ who is God and tell Him that you right now are repenting of your sins and you want to be born again of the Spirit from above. Tell Jesus that you are remorsefully sorry for breaking His commandments and that you are begging for forgiveness from Him. Allow His blood from the cross to wash away your sins. After this is done with your heart successfully the Holy Spirit will come to live within you and He will rebuild you from the inside out. Look for signs that you are saved. Things like spreading the good news from Jesus, getting other people saved, a craving for the word of God, reading the Bible, etc… These things are known as a calling and fruit bearing. If you're not bearing fruit then keep doing it. Sometimes it takes time to get saved. Read Matthew chapter 13 from the King James Bible. God bless!!!!!!!
i see where he's coming at and want to keep an open mind, so I'm wondering beside his first initial what the point is of bringing up the Scale of the universe? and I don't see the point of saying that we won't explore other stars because it's too far and too dangerous. to me that doesn't promote progress. Imagine if you told Columbus "don't try to go to india, it's too far and too dangerous"
Respectfully Professor, you've made some incredible points for establishing the Intelligent Design Argument except when you said "the universe is infinite". Neither time nor space can be infinite. Only God can be infinite. You see, if space were I finite, then all of space, not just outter space, must also be infinite. This includes the space between my thumb and finger. And if the space between my thumb and finger were infinite, then in order for my thumb and finger to touch, they would need to travel infinite distance. Due to them having to travel infinite distance, it would look like my fingers were never moving even though they had. Furthermore, a true infinite cannot be measurable and yet we can clearly measure distance on earth in miles or KM. Time faces a similar issue as it flows at a constant rate. And a constant rate is a measurable rate. And a measurable rate acts in contradiction to the definition of a true infinite, which is immeasurable. For this reason, since time and space have to be finite, this means that everything in the Temporal, Spatial, Creation, requires a first causer or Unmoved Mover 😊
In your video you say that the statistical probability of the universe forming the way it did is so phenomenally unlikely that there must have been a designer. But if you was to throw a egg (an ordinary chicken egg) to the ground and measure the splatter patter, then do the same same to a billion other eggs the statical probability of any of those eggs having the same splatter pattern is phenomenally unlikely.
I think the universe is finely tuned to wipe out all life at the earliest possible occasion, but that life is too good at hiding in improbable places for its demise to have happened yet.
Sorry but the bible doesn’t mention outer space. You can’t convince me “the heavens” can sum up the vastness of the cosmos. Reality is so much more fascinating than mythology. Mythology is a voice from our ancestors, not our creator.
So your objection is: “Since the Bible doesn’t talk about the vastness of the cosmos, it must be false and God isn’t real.” Not trying to be rude, but that’s a clear non sequitur. Your conclusion doesn’t follow from your premises: The cosmos is vast, the Bible doesn’t mention the vastness of the cosmos, therefore, God doesn’t exist and the Bible is mythology
No logical reasons to posit the existence of God here. 1. If God created the Universe, who created God? Unanswered, and unanswerable. 2. Even if God did exist, why, although in all these desperate needs, has he not incontrovertibly proven - shown - his existence? 3. Surely God would be a good God. Why the immense and continuing suffering of so many on Earth, be allowed to exist? No answer. I could leave a hundred reasons. Wanting, desperately, and needing, desperately, God, is no proof of his existence.
Fine tuning is necessary only if operating under certain restrictions. These restrictions would then yield non-preferable outcome if fine tuning is not implemented. If an omnipotent entity needs to fine tune anything, means it is operating UNDER these restrictions, hence it is not an omnipotent being. QED.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 Maybe yes, maybe no - depends on the experiment. But this is not important. What is important is that you are restricted by the laws of nature while doing the experiment.
What can first, the omnipotent being, or the laws of nature? It’s the omnipotent being who WROTE the laws of nature. He is not limited by his creation The laws of nature existed at the beginning of the universe, but the laws of nature are just that, “of nature.” They do not exist outside of nature. They are not eternal. The omnipotent being (God) is. He existed, he then wrote the laws of nature and created the universe. The question from this video is: If God didn’t create the universe, how did it get here when we know based on the laws of nature that it had to be this specifically fine tuned?
@@bnstv1716 What is first? The laws of nature are the first and the omnipotent being is no where to be found. Nature is all that is or was or ever will be. Nothing exists outside the nature. All the things that are so called fine tuned are part of the laws of nature. Your last sentence shows what god in all religions is. Not knowing something and inserting god to fill our current gap in knowledge produces a god of the gaps. A "being " that gets smaller and smaller as time passes by.
@@Nathillien I’m not presenting a “God of the gaps,” I’m asking a valid question that I can rephrase in multiple ways (and will below). My ultimate point is that a Creator is more plausible than the millions of assumptions that must be accepted as true to believe to the contrary. I’m the beginning (the Big Bang) was matter, energy, and space, in addition to laws of nature to govern the matter, energy, and space. So, how did the matter come to exist? The energy? Space? How did the laws come into existence? Why is there gravity? Laws of thermodynamics? What caused the Big Bang? Why did the universe begin to expand? If you start at the singularity of the Big Bang, how did we even get to there being a singularity? When you consider the materialistic/evolutionary answer to these questions, you must deny reason by concluding the effect (universe) had no cause. You must conclude the universe itself is eternal, which begs many questions, not least of which is: How did the universe get so small? If it was already small, why did it decide to “bang” and expand? What changed to cause the eternal universe to begin expanding? These are valid questions. Ignoring all religion, these questions must have a viable answer for materialism to make sense
@@roguespearsf so god picked the least likely values, is that what you're saying? frank doesn't have a physics degree either you twonk. i do have a certification to care for schizophrenics though if you want me to diagnose YOU.
@Anon Ymous That’s not true at all. If you can measure the various forces (gravity, cosmological constant, strong/weak nuclear forces, magnetic) and measure how they interact, and you can test them here on Earth, you can then run simulations (calculations) and infer how they would act at the beginning of the universe. If I know with certainty how something acts and the results of how it acts, then I can infer how it would’ve acted in the past. Frank didn’t make up the Fine Tuning argument. Scientists and Mathematicians did. They made the discovery. Frank is just pointing out that there is no satisfactory explanation using material processes only to explain the Fine Tuning. An Intelligent Designer is a much more compelling explanation than Chance
The alternate opinion is the Anthropic principle which states that the universe must be finely tuned to allow life because if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be here to observe it. Which is of course circular logic
Lol 😆 this is a terrible comment if your trying mock or discredit the resurrection of Jesuse Christ. Not a single Christian would deny that His resurrection defies the laws of nature. That's why it is called a... ahem... a miracle. Truth is, there's a lot of unexplainable events in this universe, no Christian will claim to have answers to them all, hence you have faith. If you really dig into the science of evolution, you'll see quite a bit a faith involved there as well.
@@the-moocow If I have faith that Mohammed split the Moon in half, no evidence, just faith, or if I have faith that Ares began World War 1 and Wonder Woman stopped him, how would you prove my faith is not true?
@@goranmilic442 beliefs based on faith can't really be proved. I can't disprove your faith nor can you mine. That wasn't my point. My point was that some points of scripture aren't easily explained via science and must be taken on faith. Maybe some Christians will propose some scientific, measurable basis for the resurrection but most will agree this point requires faith to believe.. imho
@@the-moocow OK, I get that. But how do you choose what to believe, what not to believe? If you don't know something or can't explain something, then story ends there. You don't know.
This entire argument is based on the premise that the universe was created for us as opposed to us being a result of the existence of the universe and its laws. The universe would still exist whether these constants were this precise or not, its just that our current form of life wouldn't
@@duncanbarnard1832 It takes 30 seconds of googling for anyone to find out you are 100% incorrect. The fine tuning argument contends that humans wouldn’t exist in our current form if the laws of physics were different from what they are now. It doesn’t contend that that no universe could exist if the laws of physics were different. The fact that you admonish Eric K to pay attention in class right after you say something that is so easily disproven is embarrassing.
#Hashtag . Yeah . I’m also not convinced with the Intelligent designer argument . My favourite poor design being the Close proximity of our genitals to our rectum . Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras - especially in women - this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections (UTIs) (remember, front to back, ladies). As the character Darald quipped in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, "Let me just say that if God was a city planner he would not put a playground next to a sewage system."
@@Thehorsemen-ok7mt Sounds like an issue for the complaint box. If you can find one. Sorry I'm not a sounding board for your dialogue. Have a nice day.
I have noticed that usually the same people that argue for intelligent design being true also argue that masturbation is evil. If we are intelligently designed and masturbation is evil we would have shorter arms.
Beautiful. Explanation , Praise the Lord.....Psalm 89:4 For a thousand years before your eyes are like the days of yesterday, which have passed by, and they are like a watch of the night,
Highly Fine-tuned : Strong nuclear force Weak nuclear force Gravity Electromagnetism Speed of light Mass of universe Expansion rate of the universe Change any of these just a small percentage and no life in the universe at anytime or anywhere.
I believe what shows how everything is fine-tuned is exactly the fact that all of these things are “on point”, no more and no less. Just the “right percentage” to accommodate life and allow life to adjust itself as well.
So the universe is fine tuned for life This doesn’t prove god tho This literally just prove the that the universe is fine tuned Here my question How do you know it’s god that fine tuned the universe
Close tolerances of the natural laws are necessary for life. Both in the cosmos and biology. Should we expect God's spiritual laws to be any less demanding. I propose that a Biblical world view is consistent with God's close tolerances both physical and spiritual, as opposed to being labeled intolerant.
God is truly the Greatest. “We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺.” Adh Dhariyat (Surah 51: Verse 47 of Qur’an)
I think a great god would not let millions of child suffer and die. Or design people to blow themselves up and kill children. And a great god would not let child rapists represent it. A great god would not make a universe so anti life. 99.999999% of the universe cannot support life. Please define “great”.
@@tommyscott5366 you haven’t understood what Great means as it’s hard to translate it into English and the word great. God describes Himself with His beautiful attributes but not all of them we know. One of His names is the all Wise and certain things happen (disasters, famine, illness, war) out of His Wisdom or Complete Knowledge which we lack. We can’t know the past, present and future like God does. God is not bound by our time or laws of physics, chemistry and biology etc. Look into the Qur’an and how God introduces Himself. God isn’t a male or a female so me saying His/We/Him here is a Royal Majestic plural. How was this verse and so many others so accurate now and back then 1400 years ago? When mankind wasn’t yet this advanced. Way before the method of science explored and discovered it? Isn’t that a miracle in itself. Test the claims of the Qur’an and and use your intellect you will be surprised and not be able to test it. It’s beyond our comprehension but at the same time still understandable and relatable to our very psyche. Greatest means God made the universe from nothing, sustains it, wrote its laws, and will one day destroy it all and everything in it and nothing is comparable to God. No man, woman or system or anything can even come close to matching Gods Power and Might.
@@Takeonm You clearly did not read and comprehend my post. And what verse are you talking about? And everything you wrote about "god" has no evidence to back it up. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. For instance, I am the creator of all things and life did not exist before me. What you call history is a delusion from Satan. You did not give any evidence. Zero. And you didn't respond to my post. And great is not hard to define at all. That is some very perverse sophistry. Finally, a great god would dictate a book that allows so called men to fly planes into buildings? Kill themselves and others and cafes? Beat women? Murder women for the smallest of offenses? Blame the rape victim? If you put five seconds of thought into your beliefs you would see that your beliefs are based on nothing and have led to horrific crimes. But that is all religions. Give me one verse from the Koran that makes a scientific claim that is a fact today that WAS NOT a known fact 1,500 years ago.
@@tommyscott5366 you’ve got a very warped idea of islam and that ignorance is stopping you from going beyond what you believe to be true. Take politics out of your held beliefs and you’ll see the actual message behind the Qur’an. It could not have come from a man and is supernatural in nature. There are many things in the Qur’an that desert nomads would not have even known about let alone have the capacity to investigate that have been proven and backed up by modern scientific methods. Examples: embryo development, mountains being pegs within the base, movement and formation of the clouds to bring down rain, every living thing being made from water, orbit of the sun and our solar system, expansion theory, internal waves within the deep oceans, pain receptors and that’s just a few. The Qur’an adds detail to these things that no one was able to back then. I’m not saying believe in these things but look into them properly with an open mind before you start stating things that are untrue. Sit down with someone who knows Arabic and knows the Qur’an and can explain these things to you. I don’t blindly follow things and always go back and check I actually looked into a lot of things I’m stating here and came to my own conclusions before accepting them. Have a nice day
Evolution has been PROVEN wrong! Read Darwin's "disclaimer" in his book. "If it can ever be proven/shown that any of these process' CANNOT happen one step at a time then my theory falls apart"
There has never been a creation.no origination. Reality exists in the human mind and nowhere else..,and the human mind itself is a myth. How can it all be? Nobody knows..,yet we all dream on,and dream up concepts of God's , creators etc etc
If you live in Mexico, you live in North America. That doesn't mean that if you live in North America, you live in Mexico. If things that are created have purpose and use, that doesn't mean things that have purpose and use are created. Argument from design and teleological argument that Turek use is non sequitur fallacy.
@@goranmilic442 my brother your faith has been misplaced..seek first the Kingdom of Heaven according to God's righteous will..and the truth to your statement will come to you
He has it backwards. Life is fine tuned for the universe. This is exactly what is to be expected from the theory of evolution. There's tons of evidence to support this. For example insects were much larger when the percentage of oxygen was higher. The insects in the past were fine tuned fir the oxygen level then, they couldn't survive in the present day. The statement that gravity was different we wouldn't be alive us preposterous. The strength of gravity depends on the size of the planet. If gravity was a little different we wouldn't evolved on a different size planet. Its a shame when people have to lie about science to prop up their faith. If you wanna believe in a god or gods then that's fine. Grow in faith and believe. Inventing pseudoscience when you have weak faith is using religion incorrectly.
That's bad logic. "If the universe collapses in on itself, then life would still occur because evolution." Parameters exist for a reason. Life CANNOT occur just cause evolution. Some planets are just too hostile to life.
I fully believe in intellegent design. But I do not believe it was designed 6000 years ago. I think earth and life has existed and been destroyed many times before. We are just the latest, and last, cycle of it. What was God doing before earth was created ? The honest answer is WE DON'T KNOW. Has he done it before? I think it's very likely
@@duncanbarnard1832 actually he is like a bad parent. If he can do anything and everything but needed to kill his own child? That’s a crap parent plain and simple. And he is like a child-people didn’t listen to him so he wiped out everything? Yes that’s a child.
@@guyjosephs5654 If you live in Mexico, you live in North America. That doesn't mean that if you live in North America, you live in Mexico. If things that are created have purpose and use, that doesn't mean things that have purpose and use are created. Argument from design and teleological argument that Turek use is non sequitur fallacy.
@@goranmilic442 indeed Turek uses fallacy often seems. I can’t stand how he thinks it’s okay to misrepresent science, scientists and atheists. It’s amazing.
The thing is that 6000 years ago has nothing to do with the Bible. You can't find reference to it anywhere. It's something that someone said once and they were never corrected so they ran with it
Why are you bringing up evolved Like is the same Theory But don't understand the difference between the 2 theories Or understand At all. Plus I pretty sure the Bible doesn't show a model Of the universe I have to understand it today. Like the whole firm and above the earth type thing
@@ronaldmorgan7632 yes, we are the result of the billions of variables that surround us which makes it completely obvious that they fit us perfectly but that's a rather ridiculous and egocentric view.. the reason why a puddle of water perfectly fits a hole is not because the hole was fine-tuned for it.
I mostly agree with this protestant but to say it's not possible to peave the solar system is idiotic. 5 miles a second? You can easily go faster than that in fact sattelites do it all the time
We are the only form of life with any sort of verifiable freewill or conception of our own existence. Aside from the book telling us we are special, it's very clear that there is something special about humanity.
Aside from sinning, what do we do that no other animal does? We create abstractly. We ponder our existence. We have the concept of love. Just a few of many.
Guys nothing to say abt it but think that what are we doing is to prove the most unscientific theory of God by the help of science.... Don't u think it shud be given a second thought🙁🙁
Nothing screams fine tuning like making 99.999999% of the universe incredibly hostile to life. Even here on earth most of it is hostile towards us. Try living in an ocean and then tell me the earth is fine tuned for us. LOL
If you love the universe the birds will make you mentally ill so you fight with the environment to make it intelligent. Your supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God needed. God has been liberated and he is fully capable of evolving himself without any help. God don't want your worship he just wants to get married. Royal weddings is most watched thing on television. We fixed the video and audio for best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
He makes the claim that the strength of gravity is tuned to 1 in 10 to the power 40. Before making this claim he needs to tells us what's the mean expected value, it's probability distribution and its variance. Only then is it possible to say how finely tuned the value is. He appears to assume that possible values have a flat distribution with a lower limit of 1 and an upper limit of 10 to the power 40. Where does he get this from? I think an understanding of probability is not Frank's strong point.
In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Yes all the evidence points to a purpose but there’s an enormous gap that can never be proven because there can never be proof it’s just one endless speculation
I do not think Frank Turek's Doctor of Ministry in Apologetics gives him the scholastic training for him to be able to determine whether our universe was designed or not.
What kind of diplomas, letters after one’s name, recommendations, or accomplishments must one have to determine whether the universe was designed? And who has ever fit the bill? Every human has the ability to reason, to understand information, and to make inferences therefrom. Rather than making an ad hominem attack on Frank, try offering a more compelling explanation for the universe’s fine tuning
@@bnstv1716 "What kind of diplomas, letters after one’s name, recommendations, or accomplishments must one have to determine whether the universe was designed?" It will have to be proved that the universe was designed before your question is valid. As for Frank's diploma, a degree in Christian Apologetics gives him no expertise in cosmology. Cosmology is a branch of astronomy that deals with the origin, structure, and space-time relationships of the universe "Rather than making an ad hominem attack on Frank" In what way did I make an ad hominem attack on Frank? Listing his academic credentials and pointing out that those credentials give him no academic standing in the field of cosmology is not an ad hominem attack. " try offering a more compelling explanation for the universe’s fine tuning." No one has presented any evidence that this universe is fine tuned.
It's the other way around: we are tuned for this universe. We are here because the particulars of this universe allowed for us.....the right set of circumstances that provided for life as we know it. We however cannot say that a different set of particulars would not have led to some other forms of life of which we do not know. We are tuned to this universe, the universe is not tuned to us. It is quite presumptive to think that we are the reason for things being the way they are, that this universe was made for us, when we have no knowledge of any other universal set of particulars that may have produced life of a different sort we cannot imagine.
THIS^^ is precisely what is wrong with the so called fine tuning argument! It is the egotistical hubris and vanity of people who need to be special creations in order to feel a sense that they might escape death and the loss of all that life is to them. What an extreme failure of logic it is to take a multi-variable function (like the universe) of which only 4% is observable matter and deriving it's "fine-tuned" without knowing anything about how the observable part is affected by that other 96%. Not to throw it back in their faces, but it's like straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel. Dr. Frank Turek says, "there are two options: either nothing made everything or someone made everything" (meanwhile to avoid what I consider an impossibility here I'll just insert this thing I call an impossibility fixer over here outside space and time - completely beyond the reach of any possible verification" WHY? *Because he is not at all concerned with verification that his claims are true.* Let me say that again. He NEEDS this unverifiable impossibility fixer to claim his belief is justified. Color me unimpressed.
Yes, exactly. People think of things backwards. It's like wondering why this river conforms so perfectly with the adjacent highway instead of realizing the highway was built to conform with the river
If you look at it objectively can you really credit one side from the other? If an alien saw nothing but a human and a car, could it really say who was made for which? The car was made to transport the human, or the human was made to operate the car....
@@the-moocow Objectively, the car is an inanimate object with no facilities for "making" anything. Any alien would certainly be able to make such an assessment and easily determine the human built the car.
@@bucmcmaster I think we live in a fine-tuned universe and that the universe itself chose to do that when it initiated The Big Bang. The Universe is eternal and has always had Big Bangs and Big Crunches
Intelligent design? If any of us had the power to create a universe ... would suffering exist? We all KNOW that it wouldn't. I suggest that the universe always existed ... no intelligence ... no designer. Just nature ... doing what comes naturally.
In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
I remember Steven Hawking later saying that the big bang would have happened eventually even if it hadn’t happened then. Or something like that. I’m not sure how true that is or if anyone else has heard it.
Of course...everyone know that beLIEving you are one of the happy fews (he chooses the ones he reveals himself) between the happy fews (made at his image) chosen by an allknowing god is the SUMMIT OF HUMILITY ! XTian hypocrisy at its best !
Nice presentation by Dr. Frank Turek. The Fine-Tuning Argument is one of my favorite arguments for God and is one that makes me wonder. However, I like to get all points of view, so here are some explanations for the "fine-tuning" of the universe: 1. Chance 2. Natural processes 3. Multiverse 4. It only looks that way because we're adapted to it "water in the puddle analogy". 5. Designer 1-4 could be true, but none of them refute option 5.
@@therick363 , let me explain my view. All because something can occur naturally doesn't mean there's no God. It just simply says that things can happen naturally. Or maybe God works through natural processes.
"omnipotence" is in direct contradiction with a "fine tuned" universe. If God is All-Powerful he can create anything he wants to but yet our universe with the "fine-tuning" it has is the only thing that he can "create." So much for an all powerful bearded man in the sky. 🤣 🤣 Sorry for bursting your bubble. I know it must suck.
@@StaticBlaster, ok I see your point. But who says that a "fine-tuned" universe is the only thing he can create? If he is all powerful, then he can create any universe he wants or anything he wants.
String theory is imagination. The imagination of the universe is anarchy poems that nice. I had temporary ability to make them. We got enough to study. The artists have a room in their imagination to play in that the scientists don't have yet. They wanted to explore the universe without it because they think everything worth doing once. Now we done and the scientists can have a room in their imagination to play in. The room in my imagination has hell in it that makes paranoia beautiful God's greatest gift.
The stunning amount of egotism in the religious concept that god or something? else created all the universe for our benefit is so ludicrous that it goes to show just how foolish we humans are. The universe was here first and we adapted to it, not the other way around. Fine tuning? YES! We have been fine tuned by the universe and our planet. Those who wish to believe have that right but I so wish we would get over ourselves and start working towards treating each other better without needing to worship a non-existant big daddy in the sky whom by all evidence to date is at best an absentee landlord.
In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Every intelligent species will initially behold the illusion of a universe created for them, for only in these conditions will intelligence arise in the first place to question the universe. It takes only a little time to realize how rare and unusual conditions conducive to life are. The fine tuning argument is circular.
You're explaining the observer effects. It's like trying to explain why a quasar is bright by pointing out you can only see it because of how bright it is. That doesn't explain why it is so bright.
@@mcmullenlaw8409 no its called the anthropic principal nobody here knows what they are talking about and im not against the idea of an intelligently designed universe, but im definitely against incorrectly interpreting the evidence
@@mcmullenlaw8409 Okay, let me put it this way: the fine tuning argument does not point only to a god made universe, because whether or not god exists, the universe will appear (at least initially) finely tuned to any species that becomes intelligent enough to contemplate things like origins. This is because (if abiogenesis is true, and there is no creator, the universe will still seem finely tuned, because) abiogenesis will only occur in the first place where and when the conditions are already right. Also, let us imagine abiogenesis could occur in the burning heart of stars. The intelligent species that evolved there would be staying: "how can you say there is no god. This star is perfectly balanced for (our type of) life. Who did that?"
@@kurtpatterson509 I think you've restated your initial view without speaking to my objection. The point that the star is perfectly balanced for our type of life is the problem. This is just like the quasar. We are here to see it, but that doesn't explain why it is the way that it is. The fine tuning argument works as a construction from inductive reasoning. Every issue we've ever seen in our experience that has balanced variables all intelligently corresponding to each other has an intelligence behind it. The universe appears to be one of those things. This is not "deductive". For example its not like if A, then B, A therefore B. But most of our conclusions about the world around us are not found through deductive reasoning. "Am I hungry?" "does my wife love me?" "Will capitalism benefit the economy?" But what fine-tuning accomplishes (and I admitted this even when I was an atheist) is that it does lean heavily in favor of a reality where God exists if you're doing Bayesian probabilities. The "We need to be here in order to see it" objection doesn't address anything at all.
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I do believe that the universe is part of something a bigger
That its fine tuned by something way more powerful then myself and us humans will never be able to grasp it
The universe is fine tuned for life. What utter nonsense. Most of these facts given by the presenter are misquotes or taken out of context, 99.999% of the universe would kill you in less than a minute.
@@Triskster Really?... We Christians always believed the entire universe to be perfectly safe for human life. We always thought people could live on the sun & breath in the vacuum of space? Thank you for telling us about these dangers... what would have done without your wisdom?
Yes I do. God is awesome and “unbelievable”....that’s why I believe in GOD.
@ EVIDENT one9teen Are you a Christian?
"Changing ANY factor in the universe wouldn't allow this universe" ... and you come up with only one, namely the expansion rate
i'd like you to go more into detail and call out ALL factors that are so precisely fine-tuned that any change wouldn't allow life nor the universe to exist.
Thanks for your efforts.
He listed many of them, such as the distance between the Earth and the sun, the axial tilt of the earth, the distance of the moon, the existence of Jupiter and Saturn.
I don't know the reason for these but I will research it, you could do the same.
It's an example friend, stay calm, you know that the same applies to gravitational, strong, weak nuclear, and electromagnetic forces, which are the pillars of reality, basically, if all of them had appeared different in the Universe there would be no life, how can this be explained without appeal to God? I'm already saying that invoking the Simulated Universe is just another way of saying that God made it, and invoking the Multiverse doesn't have that much effect since it's impossible for there to be any way of proving the existence of it.
Also you can't accuse me of using the God of the Gaps fallacy since I'm using things we know and study to claim that it was made by God instead of arguing about something that isn't recorded (Not to mention it's just a pretty way to run away because there are no more plausible arguments other than God).
I got you
1. Gravitational Constant (G): Determines the strength of gravity.
If G were larger or smaller by just 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^40), stars would either burn too quickly or never ignite, making life impossible.
2. Electromagnetic Force Constant (α): Governs electromagnetic interactions.
A variation of about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^40) would prevent the formation of stable atoms, leading to no matter as we know it.
3. Strong Nuclear Force Constant: Holds atomic nuclei together.
If this force were different by 0.000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^20) no stable nuclei would form, preventing the existence of matter.
4. Weak Nuclear Force Constant: Influences processes like radioactive decay. A variation of about 0.0000000000001% (1 part in 10^15) would prevent the formation of hydrogen and helium.
5. Cosmological Constant (Λ): Relates to dark energy and the expansion of the universe.
If Λ were different by even 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^120) the universe would either collapse too soon or expand too quickly for stars and galaxies to form.
6. Higgs Boson Mass: Affects the mass of particles.
A difference of about 0.0000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^30) would lead to a universe devoid of life-sustaining particles.
7. Mass of Protons: Determines the stability of atomic nuclei.
If the mass were different by 0.0000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^30) hydrogen and helium would be unstable, preventing the formation of stars and molecules essential for life.
8. Mass of Neutrons: Similar to protons, affects nuclear stability.
A variation of 0.0000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^30) would disrupt the balance necessary for nuclear reactions in stars, halting the formation of heavier elements.
9. Ratio of Electrons to Protons: Determines atomic structure.
A variation of about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^40) would destabilize the atomic structure making life impossible.
10. Baryon-to-Photon Ratio: Influences the density of matter in the universe.
If the ratio varied by 0.00000001% (1 part in 10^10) the universe would not have formed galaxies meaning no stars, planets, or life.
11. Temperature of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation: Influences the formation of structures in the universe.
A change of 0.000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^20) would alter the formation of stars and galaxies making life impossible.
12. Entropy of the Universe: Relates to the disorder in the universe.
A variation of 0.00000001% (1 part in 10^10) would prevent the formation of complex structures necessary for life.
13. Dark Matter Density: Influences galaxy formation.
If the density varied by 0.00000001% (1 part in 10^10) the structure of the universe would collapse leading to a universe without stars or planets.
14. Dark Energy Density: Affects the expansion rate of the universe.
A variation of 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^120) would prevent the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets.
15. Fine Structure Constant (α): Governs the strength of electromagnetic interactions.
A variation of about 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (1 part in 10^60) would disrupt the atomic structure preventing chemistry and life from functioning.
People will twist themselves into pretzels to avoid talking rationally about the possibility that there is something so powerful that it can create things like a universe to the precise specifications needed to support the kind of life who can recognize what has happened.
Maybe some people do, but most don’t. It’s not “avoiding” things, it’s being able to explain things without the need for a god.
@@guyjosephs5654 And we haven't been able to do it, the closer we get the mor the answer points to God. Consciousness and what created the big bang and the immensely fine tuned universe.
@@duncanbarnard1832 that’s not how many see or interpret things. For some things point to a God, but many don’t see that.
Consciousness is a hugely difficult thing to study. Same with the before the Big Bang. The universe isn’t fine tuned.
Are you saying that because we can’t explain everything that the only possible explanation is a God?
@@guyjosephs5654 No that's certainly not what I'm saying at all, I don't do the god of the gaps nonsense. The universe's expansion rate, gravity etc are immensely fine tuned to our existence.
@@duncanbarnard1832 we are adapted to our surrounding. Life evolved to the environment on earth.
I was watching the video this morning, and after the third time Dr. Turek mentioned Betelgeuse, Michael Keaton appeared in my living room. Freaky!
I love this faith in God stuff. I love the way Frank presents God.
That’s fine as long as you don’t love the way he represents science and atheism. He does a horrible job there.
@@guyjosephs5654 ehh not really, he doesn’t really insult it in anyway, he just explains what the Bible means about stuff about atheism. Can you please explain to me what he got wrong?
@@Hanako-San100 when he says “if atheism is merely a lack of belief, this this chair is an atheist, this book is an atheist”…yes that’s insulting and ridiculous.
He’ll then begin to talk about scientists and then go, “we’ll really we mean atheists”…he is then acting like there aren’t scientists who do believe.
@@guyjosephs5654 ohh I get your point. Majority of scientists are atheists or agnostics. I’ve never really heard him say that all scientists are atheists but the arguments atheists used how it’s based on science and atheist scientists he’s talking about or encountered. I think about the chair and book thing it’s kinda true like how can they have a belief if they are not alive, they lack having a belief in everything around them not just religion. he could have worded it better tho.
@@Hanako-San100 the way he switches from scientists to atheists shows me he’s trying to make a point and not a nice one.
Well if someone uses science, and sees things that have natural explanations I can make sense for them to reach certain conclusions.
No, the chair and book thing is misrepresenting and disrespectful. They are inanimate objects, they aren’t alive and him comparing them is an insult and shows he’s desperate. He could have said some other creatures but he choose things that aren’t alive.
I genuinely think he purposely misrepresents atheism and science. He’s done apologetics long enough to know better. He picks and chooses what science to talk about and then still cheery picks.
I love space
Its so intriguing
Yet so crazy
Edit: "virtual infinite expanse" I like that
Alot
This is GREAT! 😊
Hell is not fine-tuned for life.
It's too hot.
So encouraged. “You are made in the image of God.” Mic drop. I love the Lord’s glory displayed in His universe.
God is what nobody admits to being but everybody really is.
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Having imaginary friends leads to mental issues like Dunning-Kruger.
@James Henry Smith You can always imagine that your favorite deity is ultimately behind any natural phenomenon, including evolution, abiogenesis, the Big Bang, the weather, the orbits of planets or whatever. That doesn't mean that a scientific explanation of how these things work is an attack on religion.
@James Henry Smith Saying you are a "child of God" is just a poetic way of saying you ARE God, in the sense that you are s manifestations of the Divine, an incarnation of the essential stuff of the cosmos, the way that seemingly separate waves are sll made of the sea. Evanglicals twist this into a parent-child relationship with all its emotional baggage and games of dominance and submisdion, of obedience and rebellion and punishment vs. reward.
tell me if i'm made in the image of god why am i not eternal, immaterial, spaceless, timeless, omnipotent and omniscient? you really swallow franks bull don't you. i'm as "in the image of god" as a monkey.
The Heavens declare the glory of God! 🙏🏽
@James Henry Smith keep the faith my brother🙏🏽✝️ we are in some wicked times
@James Henry Smith
You find that firmament yet? The satellite companies sure haven't.
Amen
@@JB-yb4wn all that space stuff is fake no one or nothing has ever left the earth’s atmosphere
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Well that is a stupid statement. Tell me, if the Soviets lied about being the first in space, wouldn't the Americans have called them out on that?
Also, how do you explain thousands and thousands of satellites orbiting the planet providing idiots like you with GPS?
It is madness to think symmetry can form out of chaos and time out of statistical entropy! But it is logical that a process of spherical 4πr² symmetry forming and breaking could form entropy with the potential for greater symmetry formation. When the spherical symmetry breaks, it could form the potential for the most beautiful of geometrical shapes, the spiral.
We have photon ∆E=hf energy continuously transforming potential energy into the kinetic Eₖ=½mv² energy of matter, in the form of electrons. Could this process form a design pattern or template in the form of spherical geometry for self-organization and complexity to arise?
Watching this video is mind-blowing.
For the athiests out there who disregard this, answer this please.
The big bang "theory"... how did that come about, from nothing?
Even science admits there is no answer
Lol- its not the eyes that are blind but the hearts
Maybe learn about the big bang instead of learning it from idiots? The Big bang doesn't say everything came from nothing, that's what the Bible says. Big bang doesn't describe time , matter, and space coming into existence after it happened. It describes them expanding , after it stopped being whatever it was before that moment. Some also say "what caused it?". Answer is "we don't know". Than they say "than why could it be not god?" Which god? Your god? Why is it your god? Why is it not a random spaghetti monster named "jefferson"?. Also it's not any religion. Why?
Religion is lack of evidence, instead of rushing answers for things we don't know , just admit that we don't know. Do fairys exist? They don't. Why do we know they don't exist? Because of lack of evidence. Same applies to God . Until he's proven to exist , he doesn't exist. Some say "well what about my personal experience with God" children also have personal experience with Santa Claus and toothfairy. Does that mean they are real?.
You act like not having all the answers is some kind of defeat lol. At least we don’t get ours from an ancient man-made story.
Talking about the space shuttle.
Showing picture of the ISS. 😆
When your video source has no clips of the space shuttle... and the ISS comes up in the search results... the rest becomes history 😉
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Just had to rib you a little.
That's what friends are for.😁
@@hashtag415 You know I love it 😊
@@evidentone9teen259
And I love what you're doing here.
Don't ever stop spreading the Good News!
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Just like when your bible has no semblance of science.
The pavement marveling at how perfectly the puddle fits into it 🥴
so god picked the least likely values, is that what you're saying?
Two points on the apparent fine tuning of the universe. First, underlying the notion that the parameters are fine tuned is the assumption that the values we see are unlikely. We don't know this, nor can we. In order to judge them rare we would have to have a probability distribution for each parameter. Since we can't observe other universes to measure their values this assumption is unfounded. This makes the notion that the parameters could have no other values as valid as the notion that they are fine tuned. Secondly, the notion of fine tuning brings up the question of what the fine tuned for. From a mathematical and scientific point of view, if the universe is indeed fine tuned then it is much more likely that it is tuned to produce black holes than humans.
We can tell there is a fine tuner. Because all carbon and matter has a tonal vibration that's tuned the precise tune.
Bad logic
Well without black holes we woukdnt be here.
Also its as if youre making the assumption that there are other universes. Otherwise how else could you say the fine tuning of this universe isnt rare.
The multiverse idea is literally made up so that current science stays relevant.
They have no answer as to why the universe is fine tuned and the only the way around it other than god is to say, meh we are just one of infinite universes and of which, 1 would have to be as our universe is.
If that isnt faith then i dont know what is.
@@WhyAreWe_Here No, I don't make any assumption about other universes. My point is that we would need them in order to have any idea if the parameters in ours are unlikely. Since we cannot observe other universes we cannot make the fundamental assumption in fine-tuning, that the values in our universe are unlikely by chance. Since nobody can assume other universes (including me) any argument that rests on the notion that ours are unlikely has no legs to stand on. Fine-tuning actually needs them and their absence makes fine-tuning mere speculation.
You are making a common mistake regarding the multiverse hypothesis. It is not "made up" in any way. A large number of valid scientific theories, theories that have been validated over and over again in the realms we do observe, predict them. Multiple universes are a prediction made by the math we use every day that faithfully explain our universe. Most physicists and cosmologists are actually quite unhappy with this prediction because observing them seems impossible. One physicist, Laura Mersimi-Houghton of UNC Chapel Hill, is presenting evidence that we can see their effects in the CMB. We'll have to see if this evidence stands the test of time. At any rate, you are incorrect to assert that the notion of the multiverse is just made up. Completely incorrect.
It's possible that the universe could not be other than what it is. The notion that it's finely tuned just gives God something to do.
It is possible that you have never bothered to watch the video. It is also possible that you have only come to this video to make this comment. Lots of things are possible. That this universe is the result of luck is not one of them.
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some things he said are wrong gravity could be changed more than that (the inch hypothesis) Jupiters spots are storms not meteorite impacts
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It's not the space shuttle that is/was the ISS
i see where he's coming at and want to keep an open mind, so I'm wondering beside his first initial what the point is of bringing up the Scale of the universe? and I don't see the point of saying that we won't explore other stars because it's too far and too dangerous. to me that doesn't promote progress. Imagine if you told Columbus "don't try to go to india, it's too far and too dangerous"
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Respectfully Professor, you've made some incredible points for establishing the Intelligent Design Argument except when you said "the universe is infinite". Neither time nor space can be infinite. Only God can be infinite. You see, if space were I finite, then all of space, not just outter space, must also be infinite. This includes the space between my thumb and finger. And if the space between my thumb and finger were infinite, then in order for my thumb and finger to touch, they would need to travel infinite distance. Due to them having to travel infinite distance, it would look like my fingers were never moving even though they had. Furthermore, a true infinite cannot be measurable and yet we can clearly measure distance on earth in miles or KM. Time faces a similar issue as it flows at a constant rate. And a constant rate is a measurable rate. And a measurable rate acts in contradiction to the definition of a true infinite, which is immeasurable. For this reason, since time and space have to be finite, this means that everything in the Temporal, Spatial, Creation, requires a first causer or Unmoved Mover 😊
In your video you say that the statistical probability of the universe forming the way it did is so phenomenally unlikely that there must have been a designer. But if you was to throw a egg (an ordinary chicken egg) to the ground and measure the splatter patter, then do the same same to a billion other eggs the statical probability of any of those eggs having the same splatter pattern is phenomenally unlikely.
Poor pluto 🥺💙
I think the universe is finely tuned to wipe out all life at the earliest possible occasion, but that life is too good at hiding in improbable places for its demise to have happened yet.
A human body is burly, gnarly and surly like a fractal.
Sorry but the bible doesn’t mention outer space. You can’t convince me “the heavens” can sum up the vastness of the cosmos. Reality is so much more fascinating than mythology. Mythology is a voice from our ancestors, not our creator.
So your objection is: “Since the Bible doesn’t talk about the vastness of the cosmos, it must be false and God isn’t real.”
Not trying to be rude, but that’s a clear non sequitur. Your conclusion doesn’t follow from your premises: The cosmos is vast, the Bible doesn’t mention the vastness of the cosmos, therefore, God doesn’t exist and the Bible is mythology
No logical reasons to posit the existence of God here. 1. If God created the Universe, who created God? Unanswered, and unanswerable. 2. Even if God did exist, why, although in all these desperate needs, has he not incontrovertibly proven - shown - his existence? 3. Surely God would be a good God. Why the immense and continuing suffering of so many on Earth, be allowed to exist? No answer. I could leave a hundred reasons. Wanting, desperately, and needing, desperately, God, is no proof of his existence.
Fine tuning is necessary only if operating under certain restrictions. These restrictions would then yield non-preferable outcome if fine tuning is not implemented.
If an omnipotent entity needs to fine tune anything, means it is operating UNDER these restrictions, hence it is not an omnipotent being.
QED.
If you create an experiment in a lab, you are not part of the experiment. You are in charge of the inputs which effect the outputs.
@@ronaldmorgan7632
Maybe yes, maybe no - depends on the experiment. But this is not important. What is important is that you are restricted by the laws of nature while doing the experiment.
What can first, the omnipotent being, or the laws of nature?
It’s the omnipotent being who WROTE the laws of nature. He is not limited by his creation
The laws of nature existed at the beginning of the universe, but the laws of nature are just that, “of nature.” They do not exist outside of nature. They are not eternal. The omnipotent being (God) is. He existed, he then wrote the laws of nature and created the universe.
The question from this video is: If God didn’t create the universe, how did it get here when we know based on the laws of nature that it had to be this specifically fine tuned?
@@bnstv1716
What is first? The laws of nature are the first and the omnipotent being is no where to be found.
Nature is all that is or was or ever will be. Nothing exists outside the nature.
All the things that are so called fine tuned are part of the laws of nature.
Your last sentence shows what god in all religions is.
Not knowing something and inserting god to fill our current gap in knowledge produces a god of the gaps. A "being " that gets smaller and smaller as time passes by.
@@Nathillien I’m not presenting a “God of the gaps,” I’m asking a valid question that I can rephrase in multiple ways (and will below). My ultimate point is that a Creator is more plausible than the millions of assumptions that must be accepted as true to believe to the contrary.
I’m the beginning (the Big Bang) was matter, energy, and space, in addition to laws of nature to govern the matter, energy, and space.
So, how did the matter come to exist? The energy? Space?
How did the laws come into existence? Why is there gravity? Laws of thermodynamics?
What caused the Big Bang? Why did the universe begin to expand? If you start at the singularity of the Big Bang, how did we even get to there being a singularity?
When you consider the materialistic/evolutionary answer to these questions, you must deny reason by concluding the effect (universe) had no cause. You must conclude the universe itself is eternal, which begs many questions, not least of which is: How did the universe get so small? If it was already small, why did it decide to “bang” and expand? What changed to cause the eternal universe to begin expanding?
These are valid questions. Ignoring all religion, these questions must have a viable answer for materialism to make sense
Just over 17,000 mph the ISS is moving
How many non-fine tuned universes has Turek compared this universe with so he could determine that this universe was designed?
Where is your physics degree or are you just regurgitating nonsense you heard elsewhere like the other Wikipedia PhDs
@@roguespearsf so god picked the least likely values, is that what you're saying?
frank doesn't have a physics degree either you twonk. i do have a certification to care for schizophrenics though if you want me to diagnose YOU.
@@roguespearsf "This channel doesn't have any content" why am i not surprised?
@Anon Ymous That’s not true at all. If you can measure the various forces (gravity, cosmological constant, strong/weak nuclear forces, magnetic) and measure how they interact, and you can test them here on Earth, you can then run simulations (calculations) and infer how they would act at the beginning of the universe.
If I know with certainty how something acts and the results of how it acts, then I can infer how it would’ve acted in the past.
Frank didn’t make up the Fine Tuning argument. Scientists and Mathematicians did. They made the discovery. Frank is just pointing out that there is no satisfactory explanation using material processes only to explain the Fine Tuning. An Intelligent Designer is a much more compelling explanation than Chance
The alternate opinion is the Anthropic principle which states that the universe must be finely tuned to allow life because if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be here to observe it. Which is of course circular logic
There's a saying: god doesn't play dice with the universe
Oh, then there was a cogent reason for wiping out the dinosaurs then? Love to hear it. They must have been "wicked" or something.
einstein said it and it was a joke, as he was humanist and didn't hold with god.
s@@JB-yb4wn Presence of Dinosaurs would prevent human civilization to flourish. So it was God's plan to wipe them off....
Can someone (preferably a christian) calculate the probability of a dead person coming back to life. Thanks.
Lol 😆 this is a terrible comment if your trying mock or discredit the resurrection of Jesuse Christ. Not a single Christian would deny that His resurrection defies the laws of nature. That's why it is called a... ahem... a miracle. Truth is, there's a lot of unexplainable events in this universe, no Christian will claim to have answers to them all, hence you have faith. If you really dig into the science of evolution, you'll see quite a bit a faith involved there as well.
Happene quite a bit actually.
@@the-moocow If I have faith that Mohammed split the Moon in half, no evidence, just faith, or if I have faith that Ares began World War 1 and Wonder Woman stopped him, how would you prove my faith is not true?
@@goranmilic442 beliefs based on faith can't really be proved. I can't disprove your faith nor can you mine. That wasn't my point. My point was that some points of scripture aren't easily explained via science and must be taken on faith. Maybe some Christians will propose some scientific, measurable basis for the resurrection but most will agree this point requires faith to believe.. imho
@@the-moocow OK, I get that. But how do you choose what to believe, what not to believe?
If you don't know something or can't explain something, then story ends there. You don't know.
the cause of the universe could be a physical event, I do not see why it must be a personal being
This entire argument is based on the premise that the universe was created for us as opposed to us being a result of the existence of the universe and its laws. The universe would still exist whether these constants were this precise or not, its just that our current form of life wouldn't
Eric K not according to Hawking. You should have straightened him out on that before he died.
No it would colapse back on itself according to Hawking and the likes, listen in class.
Doesn’t change the fact that the universe still has to be created and those laws of it had to be created
@@duncanbarnard1832 It takes 30 seconds of googling for anyone to find out you are 100% incorrect. The fine tuning argument contends that humans wouldn’t exist in our current form if the laws of physics were different from what they are now. It doesn’t contend that that no universe could exist if the laws of physics were different. The fact that you admonish Eric K to pay attention in class right after you say something that is so easily disproven is embarrassing.
@@joelercoaster Your argument applies to God as well.
We have a very old saying in Texas. And a very rustic way of saying it.
*"God don't make no junk."*
#Hashtag . Who makes it then ?
@@Thehorsemen-ok7mt
Well it's safe to say your parents made _you._ Blame them if you need to point fingers. End of story.
#Hashtag . Yeah . I’m also not convinced with the Intelligent designer argument .
My favourite poor design being the Close proximity of our genitals to our rectum .
Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras - especially in women - this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections (UTIs) (remember, front to back, ladies). As the character Darald quipped in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, "Let me just say that if God was a city planner he would not put a playground next to a sewage system."
@@Thehorsemen-ok7mt
Sounds like an issue for the complaint box. If you can find one. Sorry I'm not a sounding board for your dialogue. Have a nice day.
#Hashtag . No. It’s an important aspect of the intelligent design debate .
I have noticed that usually the same people that argue for intelligent design being true also argue that masturbation is evil. If we are intelligently designed and masturbation is evil we would have shorter arms.
I'm sure that would be a very small subset of people.
What a silly statement
Really interesting info but why are you yelling
Fine tuned, with meteors and asteroids flying around at random ?
We really don't have enough faith to be atheists
Flint printed life they knew since Flintstones cartoon. That is yaba daba do.
Beautiful. Explanation , Praise the Lord.....Psalm 89:4
For a thousand years before your eyes are like the days of yesterday, which have passed by, and they are like a watch of the night,
Wait. So, God can create the universe and fine tuning, but cannot create the laws in which life forms from nonlife? Abiogenesis?
Highly Fine-tuned :
Strong nuclear force
Weak nuclear force
Gravity
Electromagnetism
Speed of light
Mass of universe
Expansion rate of the universe
Change any of these just a small percentage and no life in the universe at anytime or anywhere.
I believe what shows how everything is fine-tuned is exactly the fact that all of these things are “on point”, no more and no less. Just the “right percentage” to accommodate life and allow life to adjust itself as well.
Why always these kind of guy sound like an infomercial host?
Because they’re also trying to sell you a load of crap lol.
Is this earth the only planet with intelligent life on it?
Bad tuning job then!
So the universe is fine tuned for life
This doesn’t prove god tho
This literally just prove the that the universe is fine tuned
Here my question
How do you know it’s god that fine tuned the universe
Close tolerances of the natural laws are necessary for life.
Both in the cosmos and biology.
Should we expect God's spiritual laws to be any less demanding.
I propose that a Biblical world view is consistent with God's close tolerances both physical and spiritual, as opposed to being labeled intolerant.
God is truly the Greatest.
“We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺.”
Adh Dhariyat (Surah 51: Verse 47 of Qur’an)
I think a great god would not let millions of child suffer and die. Or design people to blow themselves up and kill children. And a great god would not let child rapists represent it. A great god would not make a universe so anti life. 99.999999% of the universe cannot support life.
Please define “great”.
@@tommyscott5366 you haven’t understood what Great means as it’s hard to translate it into English and the word great. God describes Himself with His beautiful attributes but not all of them we know. One of His names is the all Wise and certain things happen (disasters, famine, illness, war) out of His Wisdom or Complete Knowledge which we lack.
We can’t know the past, present and future like God does. God is not bound by our time or laws of physics, chemistry and biology etc. Look into the Qur’an and how God introduces Himself. God isn’t a male or a female so me saying His/We/Him here is a Royal Majestic plural.
How was this verse and so many others so accurate now and back then 1400 years ago? When mankind wasn’t yet this advanced. Way before the method of science explored and discovered it? Isn’t that a miracle in itself. Test the claims of the Qur’an and and use your intellect you will be surprised and not be able to test it. It’s beyond our comprehension but at the same time still understandable and relatable to our very psyche.
Greatest means God made the universe from nothing, sustains it, wrote its laws, and will one day destroy it all and everything in it and nothing is comparable to God. No man, woman or system or anything can even come close to matching Gods Power and Might.
@@Takeonm You clearly did not read and comprehend my post.
And what verse are you talking about?
And everything you wrote about "god" has no evidence to back it up. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. For instance, I am the creator of all things and life did not exist before me. What you call history is a delusion from Satan.
You did not give any evidence. Zero. And you didn't respond to my post.
And great is not hard to define at all. That is some very perverse sophistry.
Finally, a great god would dictate a book that allows so called men to fly planes into buildings? Kill themselves and others and cafes? Beat women? Murder women for the smallest of offenses? Blame the rape victim? If you put five seconds of thought into your beliefs you would see that your beliefs are based on nothing and have led to horrific crimes. But that is all religions.
Give me one verse from the Koran that makes a scientific claim that is a fact today that WAS NOT a known fact 1,500 years ago.
@@tommyscott5366 you’ve got a very warped idea of islam and that ignorance is stopping you from going beyond what you believe to be true. Take politics out of your held beliefs and you’ll see the actual message behind the Qur’an. It could not have come from a man and is supernatural in nature.
There are many things in the Qur’an that desert nomads would not have even known about let alone have the capacity to investigate that have been proven and backed up by modern scientific methods. Examples: embryo development, mountains being pegs within the base, movement and formation of the clouds to bring down rain, every living thing being made from water, orbit of the sun and our solar system, expansion theory, internal waves within the deep oceans, pain receptors and that’s just a few.
The Qur’an adds detail to these things that no one was able to back then.
I’m not saying believe in these things but look into them properly with an open mind before you start stating things that are untrue. Sit down with someone who knows Arabic and knows the Qur’an and can explain these things to you.
I don’t blindly follow things and always go back and check I actually looked into a lot of things I’m stating here and came to my own conclusions before accepting them.
Have a nice day
who manage the universe?
When you have to put the label "Dr." in front of your name because no one would know otherwise. Like "Dr." Jill Biden.
We evolved to fit the environment of Earth, via evolutionary progress.
Evolution has been PROVEN wrong! Read Darwin's "disclaimer" in his book. "If it can ever be proven/shown that any of these process' CANNOT happen one step at a time then my theory falls apart"
There has never been a creation.no origination.
Reality exists in the human mind and nowhere else..,and the human mind itself is a myth.
How can it all be? Nobody knows..,yet we all dream on,and dream up concepts of God's , creators etc etc
AMEN...God bless you Frank
If you live in Mexico, you live in North America. That doesn't mean that if you live in North America, you live in Mexico.
If things that are created have purpose and use, that doesn't mean things that have purpose and use are created.
Argument from design and teleological argument that Turek use is non sequitur fallacy.
@@goranmilic442 my brother your faith has been misplaced..seek first the Kingdom of Heaven according to God's righteous will..and the truth to your statement will come to you
@@toringorman843 Argument from design is still wrong.
@@goranmilic442 seek The Lord my brother and The Truth will make you free
@@toringorman843 prove A god exists, then prove its the simpleton from your comic book
He has it backwards. Life is fine tuned for the universe. This is exactly what is to be expected from the theory of evolution.
There's tons of evidence to support this. For example insects were much larger when the percentage of oxygen was higher. The insects in the past were fine tuned fir the oxygen level then, they couldn't survive in the present day.
The statement that gravity was different we wouldn't be alive us preposterous. The strength of gravity depends on the size of the planet. If gravity was a little different we wouldn't evolved on a different size planet.
Its a shame when people have to lie about science to prop up their faith. If you wanna believe in a god or gods then that's fine. Grow in faith and believe. Inventing pseudoscience when you have weak faith is using religion incorrectly.
That's bad logic.
"If the universe collapses in on itself, then life would still occur because evolution."
Parameters exist for a reason. Life CANNOT occur just cause evolution. Some planets are just too hostile to life.
I fully believe in intellegent design. But I do not believe it was designed 6000 years ago. I think earth and life has existed and been destroyed many times before. We are just the latest, and last, cycle of it. What was God doing before earth was created ? The honest answer is WE DON'T KNOW. Has he done it before? I think it's very likely
I doubt it as He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN Son for our salvation. He is not a boy playing with action figures.
@@duncanbarnard1832 actually he is like a bad parent. If he can do anything and everything but needed to kill his own child? That’s a crap parent plain and simple.
And he is like a child-people didn’t listen to him so he wiped out everything? Yes that’s a child.
@@guyjosephs5654 If you live in Mexico, you live in North America. That doesn't mean that if you live in North America, you live in Mexico.
If things that are created have purpose and use, that doesn't mean things that have purpose and use are created.
Argument from design and teleological argument that Turek use is non sequitur fallacy.
@@goranmilic442 indeed Turek uses fallacy often seems. I can’t stand how he thinks it’s okay to misrepresent science, scientists and atheists. It’s amazing.
The thing is that 6000 years ago has nothing to do with the Bible. You can't find reference to it anywhere. It's something that someone said once and they were never corrected so they ran with it
Its sooo fine tunned that in the future our Sun will explode destroying entire Solar sistem... great design!
And all this big universe for humans???
He suspends the Earth over nothing. Job 26-7
That's ISS, not Space Shuttle.
Why are you bringing up evolved Like is the same Theory But don't understand the difference between the 2 theories Or understand At all. Plus I pretty sure the Bible doesn't show a model Of the universe I have to understand it today. Like the whole firm and above the earth type thing
"Chance is the fool's name for fate."
Can you tell me what are the chances of having a planet like planet Earth?
@@goranmilic442 Chances? Wait, let me call my bookie.
@@LazlosPlane If you don't know those chances, why are you commenting on foolery of calling something chance?
@@goranmilic442 ZZZzzz...zzz...zz..ZZZzz...
@@LazlosPlane Good one.
Matter/antimatter asymmetry?
Let’s see who’s t and f
Our surroundings arent made for us, we are the RESULT of them, so of course they will be exactly fitting us!
Turek has no scientific education.
They are Creationists, what do you expect?
So, that's what you get out of every meaningful variable in the universe being what it is?
@@ronaldmorgan7632 yes, we are the result of the billions of variables that surround us which makes it completely obvious that they fit us perfectly but that's a rather ridiculous and egocentric view.. the reason why a puddle of water perfectly fits a hole is not because the hole was fine-tuned for it.
Heaven is also fine-tuned, but not the same tune.
I mostly agree with this protestant but to say it's not possible to peave the solar system is idiotic.
5 miles a second? You can easily go faster than that in fact sattelites do it all the time
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Wait... God created the universe.. And life ... And us... But only the humans are created in gods image ? Im not getting that part
Yeah it's pretty silly
We are the only form of life with any sort of verifiable freewill or conception of our own existence. Aside from the book telling us we are special, it's very clear that there is something special about humanity.
Aside from sinning, what do we do that no other animal does? We create abstractly. We ponder our existence. We have the concept of love. Just a few of many.
God is All!!!
Guys nothing to say abt it but think that what are we doing is to prove the most unscientific theory of God by the help of science.... Don't u think it shud be given a second thought🙁🙁
Nothing screams fine tuning like making 99.999999% of the universe incredibly hostile to life. Even here on earth most of it is hostile towards us. Try living in an ocean and then tell me the earth is fine tuned for us. LOL
Dr, i wonder what doctor degree he has
He got his masters at 33 don't knkw if he went on
But he can read data from the sharpest human minds like Einstein, Hawking etc.
Doctor of Ministry from Southern Evangelical Seminary (SES)
Dr of fairytales
If you love the universe the birds will make you mentally ill so you fight with the environment to make it intelligent. Your supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God needed. God has been liberated and he is fully capable of evolving himself without any help. God don't want your worship he just wants to get married. Royal weddings is most watched thing on television. We fixed the video and audio for best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
Yea mars at most. Plus the rest of the planets are too dangerous or just not habitable. At least by forseeable science. Wed need to break light speed.
He makes the claim that the strength of gravity is tuned to 1 in 10 to the power 40. Before making this claim he needs to tells us what's the mean expected value, it's probability distribution and its variance. Only then is it possible to say how finely tuned the value is. He appears to assume that possible values have a flat distribution with a lower limit of 1 and an upper limit of 10 to the power 40. Where does he get this from? I think an understanding of probability is not Frank's strong point.
I simply can’t believe it-all of this incredible fine tuning to give us Donald Trump’s ample, orange bottom?
All praise to Almighty Allah
What about mighty yaweh?
In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
No, rape, torture, murder, extortion, slavery, robbery and murder are NOT okay.
Yes all the evidence points to a purpose but there’s an enormous gap that can never be proven because there can never be proof it’s just one endless speculation
I do not think Frank Turek's Doctor of Ministry in Apologetics gives him the scholastic training for him to be able to determine whether our universe was designed or not.
What kind of diplomas, letters after one’s name, recommendations, or accomplishments must one have to determine whether the universe was designed? And who has ever fit the bill?
Every human has the ability to reason, to understand information, and to make inferences therefrom.
Rather than making an ad hominem attack on Frank, try offering a more compelling explanation for the universe’s fine tuning
@@bnstv1716 "What kind of diplomas, letters after one’s name, recommendations, or accomplishments must one have to determine whether the universe was designed?"
It will have to be proved that the universe was designed before your question is valid.
As for Frank's diploma, a degree in Christian Apologetics gives him no expertise in cosmology.
Cosmology is a branch of astronomy that deals with the origin, structure, and space-time relationships of the universe
"Rather than making an ad hominem attack on Frank"
In what way did I make an ad hominem attack on Frank? Listing his academic credentials and pointing out that those credentials give him no academic standing in the field of cosmology is not an ad hominem attack.
" try offering a more compelling explanation for the universe’s fine tuning."
No one has presented any evidence that this universe is fine tuned.
Theres 1 mill grains of sand per ft cubed
It's the other way around: we are tuned for this universe. We are here because the particulars of this universe allowed for us.....the right set of circumstances that provided for life as we know it. We however cannot say that a different set of particulars would not have led to some other forms of life of which we do not know. We are tuned to this universe, the universe is not tuned to us. It is quite presumptive to think that we are the reason for things being the way they are, that this universe was made for us, when we have no knowledge of any other universal set of particulars that may have produced life of a different sort we cannot imagine.
THIS^^ is precisely what is wrong with the so called fine tuning argument! It is the egotistical hubris and vanity of people who need to be special creations in order to feel a sense that they might escape death and the loss of all that life is to them. What an extreme failure of logic it is to take a multi-variable function (like the universe) of which only 4% is observable matter and deriving it's "fine-tuned" without knowing anything about how the observable part is affected by that other 96%. Not to throw it back in their faces, but it's like straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel.
Dr. Frank Turek says, "there are two options: either nothing made everything or someone made everything" (meanwhile to avoid what I consider an impossibility here I'll just insert this thing I call an impossibility fixer over here outside space and time - completely beyond the reach of any possible verification" WHY? *Because he is not at all concerned with verification that his claims are true.* Let me say that again. He NEEDS this unverifiable impossibility fixer to claim his belief is justified. Color me unimpressed.
Yes, exactly. People think of things backwards. It's like wondering why this river conforms so perfectly with the adjacent highway instead of realizing the highway was built to conform with the river
If you look at it objectively can you really credit one side from the other? If an alien saw nothing but a human and a car, could it really say who was made for which? The car was made to transport the human, or the human was made to operate the car....
@@the-moocow Objectively, the car is an inanimate object with no facilities for "making" anything. Any alien would certainly be able to make such an assessment and easily determine the human built the car.
@@bucmcmaster I think we live in a fine-tuned universe and that the universe itself chose to do that when it initiated The Big Bang. The Universe is eternal and has always had Big Bangs and Big Crunches
Chance the Rapper created the universe, we all know it.
hahaha🤣🤣🤣
Intelligent design?
If any of us had the power to create a universe ... would suffering exist?
We all KNOW that it wouldn't.
I suggest that the universe always existed ... no intelligence ... no designer. Just nature ... doing what comes naturally.
In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
I remember Steven Hawking later saying that the big bang would have happened eventually even if it hadn’t happened then. Or something like that. I’m not sure how true that is or if anyone else has heard it.
Because of gravity, big bangs are happening all the time. No examples of Gods doing the banging.
@@MisterMcKinney and so these other big bangs, what did they create?
@@Vae07 got em
@@Vae07 new universes are being created every second because of these big bangs
@@Vae07 well as no one in this thread seems to understand physics or cosmology i suggest you all shut up and go read some books until you do.
Science is good at shattering the illusion that we have any special or privileged place in the universe. It keeps you humble.
Of course...everyone know that beLIEving you are one of the happy fews (he chooses the ones he reveals himself) between the happy fews (made at his image) chosen by an allknowing god is the SUMMIT OF HUMILITY !
XTian hypocrisy at its best !
I actually find it does the opposite.
Science is merely an attempt to describe what we see.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 Science discovers the underlying connections between seemingly separate events.
It makes you nihilistic
I believe that God who created the universe.
Of course that's what you may believe, just nobody can support that position
@James Henry Smith anything can happen in fiction
Nice presentation by Dr. Frank Turek.
The Fine-Tuning Argument is one of my favorite arguments for God and is one that makes me wonder. However, I like to get all points of view, so here are some explanations for the "fine-tuning" of the universe:
1. Chance
2. Natural processes
3. Multiverse
4. It only looks that way because we're adapted to it "water in the puddle analogy".
5. Designer
1-4 could be true, but none of them refute option 5.
Wait-2 wouldn’t refute 5?
@@therick363 , let me explain my view. All because something can occur naturally doesn't mean there's no God. It just simply says that things can happen naturally.
Or maybe God works through natural processes.
"omnipotence" is in direct contradiction with a "fine tuned" universe. If God is All-Powerful he can create anything he wants to but yet our universe with the "fine-tuning" it has is the only thing that he can "create." So much for an all powerful bearded man in the sky. 🤣 🤣 Sorry for bursting your bubble. I know it must suck.
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth gotcha. I can respect that. I haven’t had someone admit that much. Good on you.
@@StaticBlaster, ok I see your point. But who says that a "fine-tuned" universe is the only thing he can create? If he is all powerful, then he can create any universe he wants or anything he wants.
The only thing annoying me is when this guys CONSTANTLY calls the international space station the "space shuttle"
THE SCIENTIST
Kinda preachy but nice stats
Is that you talking? The owner of this channel?
String theory is imagination. The imagination of the universe is anarchy poems that nice. I had temporary ability to make them. We got enough to study. The artists have a room in their imagination to play in that the scientists don't have yet. They wanted to explore the universe without it because they think everything worth doing once. Now we done and the scientists can have a room in their imagination to play in. The room in my imagination has hell in it that makes paranoia beautiful God's greatest gift.
The stunning amount of egotism in the religious concept that god or something? else created all the universe for our benefit is so ludicrous that it goes to show just how foolish we humans are. The universe was here first and we adapted to it, not the other way around. Fine tuning? YES! We have been fine tuned by the universe and our planet. Those who wish to believe have that right but I so wish we would get over ourselves and start working towards treating each other better without needing to worship a non-existant big daddy in the sky whom by all evidence to date is at best an absentee landlord.
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2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Ego can make you believe anything,all the convincing so called facts.
Every intelligent species will initially behold the illusion of a universe created for them, for only in these conditions will intelligence arise in the first place to question the universe.
It takes only a little time to realize how rare and unusual conditions conducive to life are. The fine tuning argument is circular.
You're explaining the observer effects. It's like trying to explain why a quasar is bright by pointing out you can only see it because of how bright it is. That doesn't explain why it is so bright.
@@mcmullenlaw8409 no its called the anthropic principal nobody here knows what they are talking about and im not against the idea of an intelligently designed universe, but im definitely against incorrectly interpreting the evidence
Any other intelligent species would be like us, thus the design argument is not effected.
@@mcmullenlaw8409 Okay, let me put it this way: the fine tuning argument does not point only to a god made universe, because whether or not god exists, the universe will appear (at least initially) finely tuned to any species that becomes intelligent enough to contemplate things like origins.
This is because (if abiogenesis is true, and there is no creator, the universe will still seem finely tuned, because) abiogenesis will only occur in the first place where and when the conditions are already right.
Also, let us imagine abiogenesis could occur in the burning heart of stars. The intelligent species that evolved there would be staying: "how can you say there is no god. This star is perfectly balanced for (our type of) life. Who did that?"
@@kurtpatterson509 I think you've restated your initial view without speaking to my objection.
The point that the star is perfectly balanced for our type of life is the problem. This is just like the quasar. We are here to see it, but that doesn't explain why it is the way that it is.
The fine tuning argument works as a construction from inductive reasoning. Every issue we've ever seen in our experience that has balanced variables all intelligently corresponding to each other has an intelligence behind it. The universe appears to be one of those things.
This is not "deductive". For example its not like if A, then B, A therefore B. But most of our conclusions about the world around us are not found through deductive reasoning. "Am I hungry?" "does my wife love me?" "Will capitalism benefit the economy?" But what fine-tuning accomplishes (and I admitted this even when I was an atheist) is that it does lean heavily in favor of a reality where God exists if you're doing Bayesian probabilities. The "We need to be here in order to see it" objection doesn't address anything at all.
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I have zero doubt there is intelligent design, but I doubt our definitions of God are correct.
Zero doubt, huh? So you’re infallible?
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