NEW Area 419 Match Scope Rings (next-level precision)
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Area 419 has just released their own scope rings. Craig Arnzen of Area 419 joins us to explain why these are different!
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I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.
John and the men/women at Area 419 are class acts. There equipment is top shelf. The haters can hate. Can’t put a price on quality. HAAS/DMG/GROB machines don’t come cheap. Keep up the good work. Great stuff.
I love 419 equipment. It’s just one of those brands you can buy and know it’s going to work and not stress. Fit, finish and crazy quality.
..and probably almost as good as the german stuff... 😜
I have a long range rifle that my father built for me just before he passed. It has a horrible scope on it. My plan is to get a much needed scope and these look like they're going to be just the ticket. I miss my father and love him dearly, he just couldn't afford such a nice scope and rings that his rifle deserves.
I understood everything you both said. I understood why it's machined, coated then machined together again. I have been in a machine shop since 2009. My career is checking machined parts since I got off a cnc.
With that said, I would like to know what makes these superior (if at all) compared to other rings in terms of if they are all installed correctly. I've heard both cheap and expensive dual ring mounts holding zero just fine after abuse and usage. If you mount these 419 rings, beat up the rifle etc up and it holds zero, that doesn't show me why it's superior to other rings or even Spuhr mounts.
come on bro it says area 419 on the side, now head to the bank for that personal loan
Pretty sure all high quality ring sets are line honed. Laser etching the serial number is an add on that cost them next to nothing that they can charge another $50 for. I’ll stick with my Nightforce rings that are just as good and cheaper.
*_"I've heard both cheap and expensive dual ring mounts holding zero just fine after abuse and usage."_*
Exactly... I've had both cheap and expensive rings over the years that both worked just fine, did exactly what they are supposed to do and held zero with on problems. The thing is, there is enough suckers out there that fall for it or just "have to have the name" that allows companies to sell stuff for far more than its truly worth.
@@CJ-ty8sv come on bro read the title ITS NEXT LEVEL PRECISION - you don't need proof just trust us bro.
Pretty clearly not about improved functionality. It's machining porn, and it's awesome at being that. They almost certainly work at least as well as the alternatives. The way they are manufactured is something people may or may not be interested in, but the people who are interested will be willing to pay for it. It's the Ford vs Rolls Royce thing - RR was never *better*, never lasted longer, but you payed for the "handbuilt by elves and virgins" part.
Honestly as long as the scope doesn’t move a good set of $80 scope rings will get you out to a mile
yeah...for hitting a house constantly
What happens when you bump $80 scope rings? That’s rhetorical.
Thats not true. Any decent set of rings works 100%. You can get as fancy as you want, theres zero difference in down range performance.
Always great to see new precision products. I'm not a precision shooter by any means using a Ruger American Predator 6.5 CM with an Athlon 6-24X50 with Leupold Mark 4 rings. I did replace the stock Ruger rail with an OuterImpact rail, which made a huge difference. Still I'm able to get sub
I like the Burris XTR Signature Rings for the less stress one your scope tube feature,holding power,and centering.
Near manufacturing has been line boring rings like motors for a long time. I would hands down buy the near manufacturing rings.
Thanks, Gavin 😁
Nice rings like all things that they make but I think many ring company’s been doing just fine for much longer than area419 been in existence. Badger and near manufacturing make really nice stuff that is proven to work in way worse conditions than a prs match. Many more companies that make super nice rings too. I think your time would be better spent making new things that no one else has than trying to improve something that doesn’t need improvement.
Very nice!!! For years it was always buy and build using the best action that you could afford, if that was a Remington 700 the threaded holes for the rail would have to be located exactly inline with the bore and recut to a larger size, then bed a rail to the action, mount the rings then lap and bed those to the scope. Don’t even get me started on some actions like Weatherby’s. It looks like a solution to all of this is finally on the market or will be soon. A stress free scope is a happy scope.
419 make awesome products. I'm excited to see the 1 piece.
Then check out DNZ's REAPER series. $90.
Second the DNZ’s. I have them on 2 rifles that are hunting rigs and definitely recommend them.
We're lucky in the UK, TIER-ONE are making sure great stuff. I've got one of their one piece mounts on my Tikka, great product.
oh wow i like the idea of matching set of scope rings made together. I would put them on my Nosler M48 custom 300WSM with Leuopld VX5HD 3-15x44 scope.
dad just picked up a rem 700 in 243...made in 1969. Has a heavy barrel. Will be updating the rings and scope.
nice looking set of rings
Are the top parts marked F/R and L/R? So the same part can be attached the same way and not get mixed up?
Gavin I'd be curious to see a true comparison video of these versus other high-end mounts. On the same rifle, initial setup and durability over a longer period of time
Those rings would look good attached to my 45x Leupold benchrest scope on a Kelbly receiver.
“Take the extra time and do it right.” I like that. I wish/ hope I could justify these some day. I don’t mind cost when quality comes into play. The question is, do I need that level of quality for what I’m doing.
except "taking the extra time and do it right" is more of an end user thing more than anything because there are aspects that they can not account for such as tolerance errors in other parts you are using. doing it the "correct way" will allow even a cheap $80 set of right to do exactly what rights are supposed to do.
There's a up & coming shop making detachable mounts in Tinley Park, Il I'd suggest 419 gets with to improve both systems. Great idea for precision minded shooters.
I'd like one combo for a Rem. 722
Dont get me wrong - I love Area 419. I have their press, I have a rifle built by them - and a ton of other products made by them. I'll take my Sphurs.
Area 419 makes great equipment for the hand loader with a big budget. I cant imagine anyone making rings better than Badger. (another premium mated ring set that has been around for a long, long time.)
I had to mount 2 scopes on my custom rifles this past weekend, I noticed that as you tighten down the screws the level moves left or right depending on witch side you tighten. In other words you have to manipulate the tightening sequence to keep the scope level, hope these rings will help avoid that!
Consider ARC rings. It's in the price range and makes mounting scopes extremely easy.
No scope ring avoids this, there is a reason even ultra precise nuclear power plant parts have a pattern that they need to follow when tightening anything. The secret is to get good torque drivers.
They won’t
I have a Sako custom 300 PRC and a 34mm scope. Will these have bASES FOR THIS ACTION?
These will go on my NF NSX
Any plans on offering them in a Tikka/Sako rail compatible version?
Will there be any caps with a rail on top?
I hope them the best with the product. I’m just not sold on why I’d buy these over a spuhr mount or any other high dollar scope rings nightforce, badger ordnance, etc.
MPA BA 6.5 with a MK 5 HD. I’d definitely invest in the 35’s 😎
I think it's a peace of mind deal high quality and control one more possible problem thing you can take out of the equation if your so inclined. I don't have a superior action like a bat but I would still buy a set of these.
I'm considering these or the ARC M-brace rings for my next build
ARC Coup De Grace action
PVA Osprey barrel 6GT 1:7 twist proof comp contour 26" with their Jet4 brake
triggertech special flat shoe
KRG bravo with enclosed ARCA forend
MDT Grnd pod
the rings
burris XTR pro 5.5-30x56 scope
Are the dowel pins offset to eliminate the possibility of putting a top half on backwards?
They are to help the caps tighten in a straight-down manner and resist the canting/twisting that can happen with top-cap style scope mounts.
Hey ladies, get you a man that looks at you like Gavin looks at Area 419 guy.......🤣🤣
I would install on my Vudoo with a Nightforce ATACR 5-25 scope
What are the sets of tapped holes on the sides of the rings for - to mount levels, etc?
We are making some things to mount there, pic rail, level, etc, and that mounting point design will be open source, so other brands can make things that attach as well.
Awesome, thanks!
I have scope rings that range anywhere from $40 to $ 140 and some of those rifles are 35 years old and not once have I had to adjust the scope once they were mounted. $200 is not terrible but I just don't think you need to spend that kind of money on rings.
how much are the scopes on those rifles?
a top tier riflescope nowadays costs $3,000-$5,000.
sorry, but when i’m running an optic of that magnitude, I am only buying the best mounting rings money can buy.
And that's why weaver exists. I for one have $2500 Leupold and Vortex scopes, they will not be mount in anything that's cheep. Once you start getting serious you will see how bad cheep scopes and ring are.
That said what you own may be all you need and there's nothing wrong with that.
A 35 year old set up is no comparison to something built today, not even close
It's area 419 they do Gucci gun stuff. The Vortex Precision Matched rings are just as good (no lapping required) for a lot less. But so e guys just love spending extra
@@SigmaBallistics I'm running Schmidt & Bender, Nightforce, Leupold, Burris, Vortex, Check the rifles out on my channel. I have almost $8000 in one of those rifles that you can see on my channel and I am running Seekins precision rings $130
Need those 36s in the 28mm. I have a pile of ZCOs that could benefit from a nice set of rings.
ZCO sells pretty awesome looking rings???
Spuhr one piece for the win!
what do they weigh?
I want to see/buy the Hunter version.
36mm should be a priority. #zcogang
The reason I like 1 piece mount is so I can swap my scope to another rifle and its already level in the mount and the zero is generally on paper also. If I had a collection of nice glass that didn't move off the gun I'd use rings. I do own one nice scope but unfortunately it hasn't made me a better shot lol. For average Joe's like myself a high end optic is definitely in the nice to own but totally unnecessary category.
Holding out for the 1 peice.. hopefully there is room for a bubble level
My MPA one piece mounts are excellent and sound like they are 50% of the price of these upcoming versions.
A set of 34 mil would work nicely on my Anschutz 54 with a Vortex Venom scope
My take away is that your scope rings run only as true as your bases and holes in the receiver. You could have a pair of high dollar identical rings but if the receiver wasn’t drilled and tapped square the rings are pointless and you probably need to still lap in your rings to get proper fit on the scope. Orrrrr am I wrong? Or am I right? Either way I’m just here for the snacks
Like we call out, if your rail is not integral to the receiver, the one-piece mount may be the better option, but with SO many custom actions out there with integral rails, the ability for rings to be really square goes way up.
@@area419 absolutely! I think your one piece mount will be awesome!! It’s crazy how updates in technology and equipment now allow for such tight tolerances. Until you mentioned the issues with mass produced receivers not having square threads I always just assumed of coarse they’re straight. But why would they be? Not much is on that type of action. MY ENTIRE LIFE WAS A LIE!! 🤣🤣 can’t wait to see what’s next from 419!
I love it
that explanition @2:44 doesnt track. If the holes are drilled off square, the strongest mount in the world isn't going to straighten them out.
And the one-piece won't be meant to straighten the rail, rather to keep that warp/twist/misalignment from stressing the interface from the mount to the optic itself.
So the rings have dowel for alignment 🤔
Just like a race block doweled main caps to a registered area
Unless these are some ultra precise EDM rings, it's not worth the price.
Nice!!
I just don't think you can beat a high end one piece mount.. If and when 419's one piece mount comes out, I'm sure it will be nice, but probably be priced closer to a Spure. That being said, I can see these two piece mounts being used by NRL Hunter shooters to help make weight, and the same for trekking out on a long hunt
Tangent on a Walls Rifle.
Sorry, but only the front and rear base sections need to be machined as a pair and then lapped once installed. The top does nothing for alignment. It should float and clamp to the lower section.
If you are using two piece mounts and you don't lap them, you are wasting your time. How do you ensure there is no misalignment due to some external influence otherwise ?
I'll stick to the Spuhr ISMS because they avoid this issue. the Spuhr ISMS allows me to remove and replace my scopes from rifle with perfect return to zero, every, single, time. Across every rifle.
Wauww - looks like state of the art - almost not beeing able to afford paying for those... 😲💸💸💸
But also thinking: What could be the disadvantages...🤔 - ALL vibrations from the rifle will be transferred more directly to and deteriorate your optics faster - affording better and more precisely machines, robust and stable optics as the most obvious and important issue I see in my humble perspective... 🤔🙄🤔
I am such an area419 fanboy
and we are Dan Kowalchick fanboys
I know area 419 is not a gas gun company, but I would be interested in a 2" cantilever offering from them for my AR-15 and AR-10 platform rifles. It would have to be significantly better than what ADM offers, though.
Look into the Warne MSR mounts, it’s what I run and they are great. They make a 20 MOA cantilever mount I want to run on my next AR-10 built
Spuhr one-piece all day
First Comment! Those look fancy! I have matched elite set from MDT that work great, will try these next time. They need 35mm and 36mm options
35 will be on the site for pre-order later today!
How much?
If it can handle a scar , I might order the one piece
Waits for someone to run a lapping bar through these and then complain ;-)
👍‼️
Oh dear.
Aluminium.
American Made Love it. This American will spend the extra money for a high end quality part. And i do
Sure they are well made, but, there are a lot of others out there that are as well. Hard to get excirted about more high priced rings.
Are they twins? For sure they use the same barber.
We cut one another's hair, actually.
😂
I have a new impact precision rifle with a night force scope in a box, maybe I’ll give you a ring so wack 🇺🇸
Again ,monoblock mounts are better.
30 mm for 11mm dove tail rail ?
Dovetail mount? There isn't a rimfire out there that warrants this type of expense. Gain more knowledge.
for the elite with lots of $
Brace yourselves, used spuhr mounts are coming
220 for rings
Take my $$$$$$ !!!!!!
In my opinion these guys at area 419 make a mountain out of every mole hill they can think of then set out to convince everyone you need this level of machining porn to shoot accurately. It just isn’t so. I’ve been in high precision CNC programming - set up-running for over 30 years so yeah I see the “coolness” of it. I don’t see the practical appeal especially and the price point.
I’ll stick with American Rifle Company M-Brace rings