Really hope you are just making a friendly comment. I'm sorry. Sarcasm is lost on me sadly. But violent people exist. And people like this guy are valuable to those of us who want to protect ourselves against violent people, or just like cool shit. Plain and simple
Hey Joerg. If your ever having trouble looking at the wound canal in a gel block, put some cellophane against the block and it usually makes the block way more transparent for some reason
HEY!! Jorge has been watching Ranch Fairy!! LOL I have used single bevel heavy broad heads for years. High FOC also. Being Native American, my grandfather has known this and our ancestors were extremely successful using razor sharp and heavy flint heads on light reed or cedar shafts! I weighed a head my grandfather made and used along with an old one I found and both were well over 700 grains! Hunters are just relearning lost and forgotten knowledge.
@@LaGrandeBayou Not necessarily, Tod of Tod's Worksop has tested a high poundage (forget how high) English longbow made in the traditional way, shot by an archer trained in high poundage longbwos, using traditionally made bodkin arrows, against a traditionally made breastplate and it glanced right off. But, it did go cleanly through mail.
Rice ball Your point is taken however haven’t you seen the video of a man being shot in the head with a .38 and the round deflects off of his head leaving him with only a flesh wound? the angle of fire often has a lot to do with this “deflection” but a very sharp arrow with that Siege launcher would pierce modern sheet steel up to 2.5mm I’m quite certain. Sounds like Jorge has more testing to do!
So good to just hear Joerg voice, and laughter. And I might add, your English is amazing, for a dual speaking German/English person. Wink, wink, joke coming: I was hoping to at least see a missed shot at a Velociraptor, as it ran (or was towed) by. LOL
Yes. Assuming it's mild steel, the tests from The Knight and the Blast Furnace support this result. Alan Williams says 55 J to penetrate 40mm through 1mm mild steel with a simulated arrow point (18-degree point, I believe).
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 knight and blast furnace is throughly debunked and antiquated research now with severe historical and methodological errors. This test shows a 20 something joule arrow penetrating further. For one, mild steel is a completely modern homogenised substance. I won't disparage it too much, it sparked the big internet debates questioning if a 100lbs bow was possible to draw. Obviously, we've come a long way since then.
Medieval armour was very thin in places, especially in areas like articulated gloves and at the back. It'd usually only go to about 3mm in the most protected parts. It depends on piece and period but you only tended to get thicker with the advent of firearms.
@@mandowarrior123 well mild homogenized steel is a lot better than most steels produced in pre industrial eras (non carburized steels tho, there was good stuff being made ofc), modern mild steel now is going to have less impurities and more consistent grain/crystalline structure than historical steels, just saying to add
Joerg, the arrow where the point came loose though the armored target, didn't penetrate that much because the head stopped dragging the vanes through the iron, not the other way around. The energy is mostly in the point of the arrow, so as that one went on, not a lot of energy was left in the shaft.
This is amazing. Regarding the bone I believe the results would be greater in a live animal, since bone hardens when it dries, a bone from a live animal would be softer.
Two ideas to add here: 1) If the fletching is the limiting factor in penetration of the bodkins, why not attach the veins with a weaker glue, so that it strips off easily once it meets the target? Once penetration starts the veins really only get in the way. The broadheads can stick with the best glue as the tip makes way for the veins anyway. 2) Heat-treat those broadheads! These are the new gold standard for broadheads. We're going to need these going forward for all types of crossbow bolts and arrows.
Yeah I also thought about what an absolute beast of a broadhead that would be if heat treated. The one use fletching definitely seems like a good idea. Maybe the very shape of the vains could be slightly re-adjusted for that purpose. Or, one could even design vains that can slide through a purposely design bolt with two slots, so that the vains can stand the resistance of the air, but that slip away once they hit something. I'd say this could be an even better way of applying your idea, although it would obviously require more initial time in design it all. But once you've done that you just pick up the fallen vains and reinsert then into the slots on the bolt.
@@rayzimmermin I like that idea. Then the tip becomes more like a bullet in the way it penetrates. You lose the momentum of the shaft, but by that point it would have exhausted its momentum anyway. Think that could work with the broadhead too?
@@brei2670 usually youtubers will shoot a hollow point at a metal plate or soft armor to test penetration. Then they’ll ramp it up to armor piercing rounds. Because it’s a hollow point and not meant to penetrate armor it’s a fairly useless test, just like a field tip on an arrow vs armor.
@@GraysonMckernan Ah, well I get your point, but nobody should use a field tip to hunt and it would probably be a bad idea to demonstrate it. Whereas hollow points are perfectly deadly rounds in most cases. They're definitely not made for practice.... I mean, who carries armor penetrating rounds "just in case"? Know anyone with a 5.7 EDC? Probably not many people. And we're testing hunting here, not armor. Very different kind of penetration.
.....Jörg , Ihr kanal ist einfach klasse , abgerundet mit Ihrer art zu lachen ! Beide bolzen sind der wahnsinn , jetzt brauchen wir nur noch die vorhanden ZOMBI's 😉😉😉😉😉
Would be nice to see how the siege performs when shooting the larger bolt, Joerg says that the siege isn’t powerful enough but I actually think that the energy and momentum levels will be higher with that bigger bolt..
It might be, but be for less time, one problem with this is drop rate(ie effective range) and tumble of the bolt itself, may be able fire it but weight in front may be too much and it won’t fly straight for long Would be interesting test tho, my guess if had bet be my first point, ie just not going to get the expected range versus smaller heads
@@BRBMrSoul The drop rate would be increased but you can compensate with aiming techniques. The bolt would never tumble, it would remain stable even until until the drop rate is 100%.
Another amazing video. Now we can see the damage the Siege is capable of. Can you repeat the test now using the Adder which could be used for the more agile Velociraptor youth? I still feel that the Adder is a good compromise between portability and power. The second question I have is; how small can the tail fins be trimmed and still maintain an accurate flight. Smaller fins may thus lead to less resistance during penetration as well as less air resistance. Thanks and keep up the excellent work
Good vids. Really like the Siege. Freaks me out watching you mess with those razor sharp bolts, have watched you slice yourself pretty good in the past vids.
Hey Joerg, Very interesting thanks Mate. We know you enjoyed doing this one. Pls consider testing & evaluating damage from greater distances. Cheers, Sydney, Terra Australis.
Hi Joerg,. I've learned not to be surprised when you're experimenting. Another fantastic video in the realm of impossible possibilities.!! Thanks.. I have a crossbow but now I need/ want your solutions to a possible food or defense posture/ situation.
Jorge, may I implore you repeat this exercise with the 130 pound Adder and the 190 pound Adder? I’d love to see a direct comparison, to help decide whether to upgrade or not.
Perhaps the wound canal will light up a bit if a light is shined into the gel from the side of entry? I think the gaps in the gel might creating surfaces for light to bounce off differently.
Try 12 inches of differentially tempered armoured belt. Hardened steel isn't actually very good for armour as it cracks and splinters, but I'll assume you meant tempered. Its irrelevant as homogenised steel is far superior than anything historic.
Mich würde mal interessieren wie die Bolzen gegen Kacheln aus dem Baumarkt abschneiden. Ich sag mal die Bolzen gehen durch 2 in Balistik Gel eingegossene Wand Kacheln.
Jörg, would it be able to combine the designs of the single edged broadheads and the flesh samplers you have tested a while ago? Just imagine an arrowhead that could splinter bones and creates wound canals without enough flesh left to close them up. That would be devastating against any kind of predatory animal, don`t you think?
5:50 This would be really interesting to see at high speed. It looks like the bolt extends out past the end of the block a few feet then gets "sucked" back in to it. Cool stuff.
Those single bevel broadheads are absolute terrifying. Great stuff, cool video again! It would be quite interesting to see the difference between those 2 tips on a slightly thicker part of mild steel (like 2 or 3mms). WOuld the bodkin shine? Or would the Edgetac just perform as well.
The damage the broadhead did on the armor definitely carved a path for the fins to go through! That's most likely the biggest reason it penetrated more into the armor. The deceleration caused by the stripping of the fins was clearly an insane amount judging from when the tip of the arrow flew off just from momentum.
I've always had my traditional hunting arrows tunned with the Zwickey Eskimo 200 grain 2 bladed broadheads, I just sharpen one side and leave the other blunt and it twists on impact as the blunt side acts as the break forcing the broadhead to twist into the target. Been my go to broadhead for over decade.
It looks like the broadhead caught a big kick of rotational momentum off the steel plate, I wonder if the twisting/shearing motion helped it get through the steel easier than a traditional one would. Very interesting. I wonder if injecting some type of slightly viscous fluid (cornstarch thickened water with a touch of blue food coloring?) into the simulated wound channels would help with getting them on camera.
About 10 years ago I was making single edge bevel heads for my recurve. Thy are incredibly tough. I was testing them on concrete blocks. And I have a video of an Arrow sticking into one of these concrete blocks.
i guess the broadheads cut bigger wholes and so the arrow does not lose as much energy to friction making up for the bigger surface erea they have to penetrate
I'd like to see how different arrow heads penetrate. It has to be natural arrow tips made out of jade, obsidian, quartz and so on. Have those arrows shot into the gelatin with the bone in it.
Joerg please look into Plastisol for fish lures instead of ballistic gel. You can recast it like your gel, but it is much clearer. Some gun channels are starting to experiment with it and it's great.
Cool crossbow. Short arrows totally suck to get out of a target. Many do pass thru and tend to rip the fletching off. A thick block of beaded foam can help save the fletching but arrows may disappear inside the target and have to be dug out. I have been shooting crossbows since 1986. Killed several deer with them. Awesome weapons. Thanks for sharing. Dr. Ed Ashby and Ranch Fairy Channel have a lot of good information on lethal arrow setups.
the video we've all been waiting for. who knows if one day a video of a zombie version of the siege 300 will come out like you did for the adder. would be great
I think is would be interesting if you did a test comparing a crossbow and a regular bow shooting the same energy and seeing if targets would react differently.
Casually hiking through the scenic German countryside: 🚶🏽 Joerg: Ahaha ! it went through, so much penetration ! fleeing in terror through the scenic German countryside: 🏃🏾💀
Got one of these the other week (without the mag unfortunately). It's an awesome piece of kit. Has some nice features only usually seen on more expensive bows like the adjustable limbs. It's a bit chunky compared to some bows due to the cocking lever, but well worth the ease of use that gives. I hope they consider make a foldable bipod, as I only really use the current one for display since it sticks out too much. I swapped out the front grip for a laser sight as the foregrip seems unnecessary, and again, made it awkward to carry (small tip, you need to zero anything on the lower rail whilst the bow is cocked as it's at a slight different angle). It really speeds up aiming, which is nice as the scope that comes with it has a very small sight picture. May invest in a decent ACOG at some point. Also as a side note. I got a couple of packs of the official arrows for the siege and the tips where stuck in solid. Needed to use a blowtorch to free them, as it seemed like they where glued or something. The arrows that came with it where fine, so not sure why.
The combination of high penetration, and short 2d bolts warrants a completely new bolt design: An all metal bolt that uses steel vanes as a broad-head cutter and a tungsten carbide bodkin tip. The idea is good because 1) You don’t have a large aero-dynamic area at the front, so accuracy is increased. 2) If you get a target that is tough enough you can also train with them without the cutting vanes having to cut the target. 3) The bolts will be very heavy, heavy bolts are more lethal as they carry more momentum and Kinetic energy. 4) Single bevel flights will induce a slight twist to the flight of the bolt, this will increase accuracy further, the twisting force adds drag, drag is better at the back for accuracy. 5) With a bodkin at the front and broad heads at the back, you get the best of both worlds, penetration of armour or tough substance followed by lethal cutting of bone and flesh. Excellent for hunting and defence. 6) This idea is particularly well suited to bolts that are very short (short bolts are not good with large conventional broadheads) but are powerful enough to achieve straight through penetration. Whenever straight through penetration occurs it’s irrilivent as to whether the broadhead was at the front or back of course. It is important that the bodkin tip is heavier than the steel broad-head at the back to maintain a correct centre of gravity, that is why tungsten is ideal because tungsten is extremely heavy, heavier than lead.
Tim Bain Toungston carbide is extremely hard and dense, and strong, and heavy, it’s a material that’s used extensively in armour piercing applications, so actually it’s perfect as a bodkin tip. It’s already used extensively in modern archery.
The weight of the heavier bolt must've carried it through despite the added resistance, giving it similar penetration to the lighter bolt with a better point for penetrating armor.
I'd be curious what sort of modern ballistic armor the bodkins would penetrate. I think NIJ IIIA soft armor would be easy, but maybe even hard IIIA like polyethylene
As always fantastic content & products. Would you be able to do a video on the accuracy of the Edgetec & Saxon Warbolts, they've been shown to be highly effective at 5-7m but how to they fly?
Mr Sprave, based on my research single bevel does not increase penetration, two blade is what increases penetration. A vanilla two blade creates a slit which can seal up after the arrow has gone through, which makes for a poor wound pattern. Most two blades have small "bleeder" edges pependicular to the two blade that help create a better wound pattern at the expense of some penetration. Single bevels create an "S" wound patter that does not seal up and does not require bleeders. Regardless a two blade broadhead with bleeders still works very well. Lusk archery adventures has some very good broadhead reviews and overviews on wound channels.
Have you ever tried carving your arrow shafts in the same manner as rifling, so the arrow turns in the air regardless of the tip style? What impact would 'rifled' arrows have on accuracy and precision? Food for thought my German brother. I've seen test models and they boast an increase of penetration and accuracy. I would like to see you apply your skill level and experience on this idea. I'm sure it would be quite the experiment.
Joerge! Of course I can't look in your wallet... But for the ballistic tests, I think it's a great idea to get a slowmo cam setup, to see what the arrows really do in the gel. Further,,, I love your videos dude! Keep up the hard work!♥️
I'm also interested in the custom bipod, I hope we can eventually get some kind of bipod like that or attachments for more picatinny rails; being longer than the adder, I can imagine that an attached bayonet to the siege would make it an awesome close quarters weapon. Great demonstration Jeorge, love all your amazing innovations
Some crossbow bolts had a hole in the shaft instead of flights, and through this hole was passed a piece of rawhide or cloth greased with rancid fat plus maybe a little carrion. If the victim survived the initial wound in a non-vital area, death within a few days from septicaemia would follow.
For one, international english is based on British English unlike canadian and american English. But also, Mr Sprave is german, so his pronunciation is different, no moreso than any regional dialect like American.
homie has the best laugh on youtube, hands down. love this man
Almost as good as Scott's smile
eyyyy Nick
Facts
The laugh of a true mad man
I subscribe because he makes great content. But I'll often watch just to hear some good laughter as a pick-me-up.
Young man, your ingenuity and propensity for violence never fail to impress me.
Thats why we are all here for 😉
@@ArniesTech *what 😉
@@zeekthegeek4538 😉
Young??? He is only 3 years from turning 60??
Really hope you are just making a friendly comment. I'm sorry. Sarcasm is lost on me sadly. But violent people exist. And people like this guy are valuable to those of us who want to protect ourselves against violent people, or just like cool shit. Plain and simple
This channel gives me such comfort, especially with Joerg’s enthusiasm!
That bone would make a good security sign. Just mount it on the gate post.
With a tennis shoe on it. 😆
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Awesome comment
Hey Joerg. If your ever having trouble looking at the wound canal in a gel block, put some cellophane against the block and it usually makes the block way more transparent for some reason
@Helvius Do you mean a brightly coloured cellophane underneath & ballistic gel & above a backlight, or on the side just using daylight?
HEY!! Jorge has been watching Ranch Fairy!! LOL I have used single bevel heavy broad heads for years. High FOC also. Being Native American, my grandfather has known this and our ancestors were extremely successful using razor sharp and heavy flint heads on light reed or cedar shafts! I weighed a head my grandfather made and used along with an old one I found and both were well over 700 grains! Hunters are just relearning lost and forgotten knowledge.
that’s quite an overkill for the real velociraptors I reckon they’d go skedaddle when someone like Herr Sprave just stamp their feet.
Just let him laugh his way as intimidation XD
Ooooh gives me an idea for a character RPG wise x#3
1.5mm to 2.5mm heat treated steel would be an amazing test to simulate historically accurate Knight's armor
Yes tempered spring steel would definitely be more accurate to what knights were wearing at Agincourt
Yeah. 1mm mainly simulates armor for the lower legs & other thinner bits.
Got news for you.
That heat treated sharpened to a point field tip is going right through 2.5mm steel. Heated or cold rolled.
@@LaGrandeBayou Not necessarily, Tod of Tod's Worksop has tested a high poundage (forget how high) English longbow made in the traditional way, shot by an archer trained in high poundage longbwos, using traditionally made bodkin arrows, against a traditionally made breastplate and it glanced right off. But, it did go cleanly through mail.
Rice ball
Your point is taken however haven’t you seen the video of a man being shot in the head with a .38 and the round deflects off of his head leaving him with only a flesh wound?
the angle of fire often has a lot to do with this “deflection” but a very sharp arrow with that Siege launcher would pierce modern sheet steel up to 2.5mm I’m quite certain.
Sounds like Jorge has more testing to do!
So good to just hear Joerg voice, and laughter. And I might add, your English is amazing, for a dual speaking German/English person. Wink, wink, joke coming: I was hoping to at least see a missed shot at a Velociraptor, as it ran (or was towed) by. LOL
Thanks!
Thanks! Wow.
Jeorg laughs, so do I, simple as that. You have to love his research and enthusiasm.
The face you make at this timestamp (14:44) is just gold to me. Thanks for everything you do Herr Sprave.
Easily the most wholesome weapons focused channel ever.
Thanks for all the laughs over the years. Thanks for sharing all the awesome experiments.
10:45 Well that cow isn't running anywhere anytime soon.
16:20 Those are some deadly tips even against Sir Galahad. Hats off to the designer!
1mm thick steel isn't much protection when you're talking about piercing attacks. I'm not surprised at all that it was able to easily punch through.
Yes. Assuming it's mild steel, the tests from The Knight and the Blast Furnace support this result. Alan Williams says 55 J to penetrate 40mm through 1mm mild steel with a simulated arrow point (18-degree point, I believe).
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 knight and blast furnace is throughly debunked and antiquated research now with severe historical and methodological errors. This test shows a 20 something joule arrow penetrating further.
For one, mild steel is a completely modern homogenised substance. I won't disparage it too much, it sparked the big internet debates questioning if a 100lbs bow was possible to draw. Obviously, we've come a long way since then.
Medieval armour was very thin in places, especially in areas like articulated gloves and at the back. It'd usually only go to about 3mm in the most protected parts. It depends on piece and period but you only tended to get thicker with the advent of firearms.
What about gambeson
@@mandowarrior123 well mild homogenized steel is a lot better than most steels produced in pre industrial eras (non carburized steels tho, there was good stuff being made ofc), modern mild steel now is going to have less impurities and more consistent grain/crystalline structure than historical steels, just saying to add
Joerg, the arrow where the point came loose though the armored target, didn't penetrate that much because the head stopped dragging the vanes through the iron, not the other way around. The energy is mostly in the point of the arrow, so as that one went on, not a lot of energy was left in the shaft.
Thanks for sharing there features and your laugh Jorge!
"These are great if you need to shoot through car doors or something..."
His own sentence registers.
"I dunno"
Lmao. I love t his man.
This is amazing. Regarding the bone I believe the results would be greater in a live animal, since bone hardens when it dries, a bone from a live animal would be softer.
Two ideas to add here:
1) If the fletching is the limiting factor in penetration of the bodkins, why not attach the veins with a weaker glue, so that it strips off easily once it meets the target? Once penetration starts the veins really only get in the way. The broadheads can stick with the best glue as the tip makes way for the veins anyway.
2) Heat-treat those broadheads!
These are the new gold standard for broadheads. We're going to need these going forward for all types of crossbow bolts and arrows.
3) throw the bodkins away because of the heat treated broadheads
Yeah I also thought about what an absolute beast of a broadhead that would be if heat treated.
The one use fletching definitely seems like a good idea.
Maybe the very shape of the vains could be slightly re-adjusted for that purpose.
Or, one could even design vains that can slide through a purposely design bolt with two slots, so that the vains can stand the resistance of the air, but that slip away once they hit something.
I'd say this could be an even better way of applying your idea, although it would obviously require more initial time in design it all. But once you've done that you just pick up the fallen vains and reinsert then into the slots on the bolt.
Penetration relative to distance?
you could just not glue in the bodkin tips that way they keep going like that one did
@@rayzimmermin I like that idea. Then the tip becomes more like a bullet in the way it penetrates. You lose the momentum of the shaft, but by that point it would have exhausted its momentum anyway. Think that could work with the broadhead too?
Ich liebe deine Tests! Wieder einmal top vorgeführt. Mehr Distanz wäre noch interessant gewesen.
I think when you do these tests it would be good to use a field tip as a base, as that is the most common tip used.
A field tip is for practice. Nobody in the right mind would use it for hunting or self defense.
@@pinecone3630 I would equate it to a hollow point more so than a blank. But I see your point.
@@GraysonMckernan A hollow point is a very lethal round, created to cause maximum damage in soft bodies. I'd probably compare that to broadheads.
@@brei2670 usually youtubers will shoot a hollow point at a metal plate or soft armor to test penetration. Then they’ll ramp it up to armor piercing rounds. Because it’s a hollow point and not meant to penetrate armor it’s a fairly useless test, just like a field tip on an arrow vs armor.
@@GraysonMckernan Ah, well I get your point, but nobody should use a field tip to hunt and it would probably be a bad idea to demonstrate it. Whereas hollow points are perfectly deadly rounds in most cases. They're definitely not made for practice.... I mean, who carries armor penetrating rounds "just in case"? Know anyone with a 5.7 EDC? Probably not many people. And we're testing hunting here, not armor. Very different kind of penetration.
.....Jörg , Ihr kanal ist einfach klasse , abgerundet mit Ihrer art zu lachen ! Beide bolzen sind der wahnsinn , jetzt brauchen wir nur noch die vorhanden ZOMBI's 😉😉😉😉😉
As always totally interesting and informative.Keep them coming.One of the best channels on UA-cam
Wow that broad head is crazy cool!! This is one of my favorite channels. Its amazing how far these bows have come.
Danke Meister Sprave, das war wieder mal sehr lehrreich und unterhaltsam.. 😉
Man, i hear you laugh, and I laughed so hard so good when you can feel how much you enjoy your hobby.
Would be nice to see how the siege performs when shooting the larger bolt, Joerg says that the siege isn’t powerful enough but I actually think that the energy and momentum levels will be higher with that bigger bolt..
It might be, but be for less time, one problem with this is drop rate(ie effective range) and tumble of the bolt itself, may be able fire it but weight in front may be too much and it won’t fly straight for long
Would be interesting test tho, my guess if had bet be my first point, ie just not going to get the expected range versus smaller heads
@@BRBMrSoul The drop rate would be increased but you can compensate with aiming techniques. The bolt would never tumble, it would remain stable even until until the drop rate is 100%.
Jörg ist einer der vielen Schätze unserer Zeit 💪😌🙏
Another amazing video. Now we can see the damage the Siege is capable of. Can you repeat the test now using the Adder which could be used for the more agile Velociraptor youth? I still feel that the Adder is a good compromise between portability and power. The second question I have is; how small can the tail fins be trimmed and still maintain an accurate flight. Smaller fins may thus lead to less resistance during penetration as well as less air resistance. Thanks and keep up the excellent work
Always a joy to watch you and I so much love it when you laugh and chuckle. :D
Joerge you do these tests so we don't have to please keep doing them there informative interesting but above all entertaining . Thank you
Good vids. Really like the Siege. Freaks me out watching you mess with those razor sharp bolts, have watched you slice yourself pretty good in the past vids.
Hey Joerg,
Very interesting thanks Mate. We know you enjoyed doing this one.
Pls consider testing & evaluating damage from greater distances.
Cheers,
Sydney, Terra Australis.
Every time we get new equipment at work I enthusiastically say let me show you its features! No one has any idea
Thanks for the showcase! I'll pick this up, you never know when you'll be attacked by velociraptors.
Hi Joerg,. I've learned not to be surprised when you're experimenting. Another fantastic video in the realm of impossible possibilities.!! Thanks.. I have a crossbow but now I need/ want your solutions to a possible food or defense posture/ situation.
Jörg is one of those treasures of our era 💪😌🙏
Leave it to my man the slingshot channel is going to have the world's first anti-tank crossbow
Jorge, may I implore you repeat this exercise with the 130 pound Adder and the 190 pound Adder? I’d love to see a direct comparison, to help decide whether to upgrade or not.
Perhaps the wound canal will light up a bit if a light is shined into the gel from the side of entry? I think the gaps in the gel might creating surfaces for light to bounce off differently.
1mm of unhardened steel isn't going to slow much. It's really soft material.
Try 1.5-2mm of hardened steel.
Yeah, why not push it to the limit?)
Vehicle bodies aren't. Made of hardened steel
@@wearetheremnants1615 ok. And?
Try 12 inches of differentially tempered armoured belt.
Hardened steel isn't actually very good for armour as it cracks and splinters, but I'll assume you meant tempered.
Its irrelevant as homogenised steel is far superior than anything historic.
Mich würde mal interessieren wie die Bolzen gegen Kacheln aus dem Baumarkt abschneiden.
Ich sag mal die Bolzen gehen durch 2 in Balistik Gel eingegossene Wand Kacheln.
Excellent presentation and demonstration of the 300 Siege
Jörg, would it be able to combine the designs of the single edged broadheads and the flesh samplers you have tested a while ago?
Just imagine an arrowhead that could splinter bones and creates wound canals without enough flesh left to close them up. That would be devastating against any kind of predatory animal, don`t you think?
5:50
This would be really interesting to see at high speed. It looks like the bolt extends out past the end of the block a few feet then gets "sucked" back in to it.
Cool stuff.
I would like to see these arrows perform on kevlar and modern plate armor. I wonder what they would do, if anything
Those single bevel broadheads are absolute terrifying. Great stuff, cool video again!
It would be quite interesting to see the difference between those 2 tips on a slightly thicker part of mild steel (like 2 or 3mms). WOuld the bodkin shine? Or would the Edgetac just perform as well.
The damage the broadhead did on the armor definitely carved a path for the fins to go through! That's most likely the biggest reason it penetrated more into the armor. The deceleration caused by the stripping of the fins was clearly an insane amount judging from when the tip of the arrow flew off just from momentum.
I've always had my traditional hunting arrows tunned with the Zwickey Eskimo 200 grain 2 bladed broadheads, I just sharpen one side and leave the other blunt and it twists on impact as the blunt side acts as the break forcing the broadhead to twist into the target.
Been my go to broadhead for over decade.
Siege looks like a game changer. Great podcast. I have to have one!
Good presentation. I have 2 crossbows. It always amazes how truly dangerous they are.
It looks like the broadhead caught a big kick of rotational momentum off the steel plate, I wonder if the twisting/shearing motion helped it get through the steel easier than a traditional one would. Very interesting. I wonder if injecting some type of slightly viscous fluid (cornstarch thickened water with a touch of blue food coloring?) into the simulated wound channels would help with getting them on camera.
Ive been watching this guy since 2014 or sooner. Never not entertaining!
At 5:50, one frame before 5:51 something clearly travels out of the end of the gel block, looking VERY MUCH like a bolt. ?
those edgetech bolt tips are like an almost perfect comination of the bodkin and broadhead.
I would be curious how it fairs against 5mm steel. 1mm is just too little.
They wouldn't do anything to a 5 mm steel. They are not firearms afterall.
6.25mm of AR500 steel can stop some rifle rounds. This crossbow shouldn't have a chance against 5mm.
About 10 years ago I was making single edge bevel heads for my recurve. Thy are incredibly tough. I was testing them on concrete blocks. And I have a video of an Arrow sticking into one of these concrete blocks.
Try tuffheads. Might be worth the money.
i guess the broadheads cut bigger wholes and so the arrow does not lose as much energy to friction making up for the bigger surface erea they have to penetrate
Your laugh always warms my soul
I'd like to see how different arrow heads penetrate. It has to be natural arrow tips made out of jade, obsidian, quartz and so on. Have those arrows shot into the gelatin with the bone in it.
I second this.
I subbed an whatch because this guy rocks he really digs crossbows his enthusiasm is contagious
Joerg please look into Plastisol for fish lures instead of ballistic gel. You can recast it like your gel, but it is much clearer. Some gun channels are starting to experiment with it and it's great.
Cool crossbow. Short arrows totally suck to get out of a target. Many do pass thru and tend to rip the fletching off. A thick block of beaded foam can help save the fletching but arrows may disappear inside the target and have to be dug out. I have been shooting crossbows since 1986. Killed several deer with them. Awesome weapons. Thanks for sharing. Dr. Ed Ashby and Ranch Fairy Channel have a lot of good information on lethal arrow setups.
DEADLY Crossbow !!! wow
This is a man who loves what he does!
Can you please do a video on how you made the custom bipod for the Siege
the video we've all been waiting for.
who knows if one day a video of a zombie version of the siege 300 will come out like you did for the adder. would be great
I think is would be interesting if you did a test comparing a crossbow and a regular bow shooting the same energy and seeing if targets would react differently.
You are SO fun and entertaining to watch. I love you enthusiasm ans ingenuity. Keep it coming 🌞👍
Casually hiking through the scenic German countryside: 🚶🏽
Joerg: Ahaha ! it went through, so much penetration !
fleeing in terror through the scenic German countryside: 🏃🏾💀
Got one of these the other week (without the mag unfortunately). It's an awesome piece of kit. Has some nice features only usually seen on more expensive bows like the adjustable limbs. It's a bit chunky compared to some bows due to the cocking lever, but well worth the ease of use that gives.
I hope they consider make a foldable bipod, as I only really use the current one for display since it sticks out too much. I swapped out the front grip for a laser sight as the foregrip seems unnecessary, and again, made it awkward to carry (small tip, you need to zero anything on the lower rail whilst the bow is cocked as it's at a slight different angle). It really speeds up aiming, which is nice as the scope that comes with it has a very small sight picture. May invest in a decent ACOG at some point.
Also as a side note. I got a couple of packs of the official arrows for the siege and the tips where stuck in solid. Needed to use a blowtorch to free them, as it seemed like they where glued or something. The arrows that came with it where fine, so not sure why.
Great vid man. Got my adder rx coming today. Hope to have some fun with it!
The combination of high penetration, and short 2d bolts warrants a completely new bolt design: An all metal bolt that uses steel vanes as a broad-head cutter and a tungsten carbide bodkin tip. The idea is good because 1) You don’t have a large aero-dynamic area at the front, so accuracy is increased. 2) If you get a target that is tough enough you can also train with them without the cutting vanes having to cut the target. 3) The bolts will be very heavy, heavy bolts are more lethal as they carry more momentum and Kinetic energy. 4) Single bevel flights will induce a slight twist to the flight of the bolt, this will increase accuracy further, the twisting force adds drag, drag is better at the back for accuracy. 5) With a bodkin at the front and broad heads at the back, you get the best of both worlds, penetration of armour or tough substance followed by lethal cutting of bone and flesh. Excellent for hunting and defence. 6) This idea is particularly well suited to bolts that are very short (short bolts are not good with large conventional broadheads) but are powerful enough to achieve straight through penetration. Whenever straight through penetration occurs it’s irrilivent as to whether the broadhead was at the front or back of course. It is important that the bodkin tip is heavier than the steel broad-head at the back to maintain a correct centre of gravity, that is why tungsten is ideal because tungsten is extremely heavy, heavier than lead.
Tungsten carbide is brittle, will break. Hard but brittle.
@@MrTimmmers it doesn't matter, it is more than capable of surviving, and is for the mass in this case.
That is essentially a flechette, and there are laws about those.
Warren Cash I doubt that there is a specific law as a flechette being used from a crossbow as you could just classify it as a bolt.
Tim Bain Toungston carbide is extremely hard and dense, and strong, and heavy, it’s a material that’s used extensively in armour piercing applications, so actually it’s perfect as a bodkin tip. It’s already used extensively in modern archery.
Hope you’re doing well dude, loving the videos as usual 👍
The weight of the heavier bolt must've carried it through despite the added resistance, giving it similar penetration to the lighter bolt with a better point for penetrating armor.
I'd be curious what sort of modern ballistic armor the bodkins would penetrate. I think NIJ IIIA soft armor would be easy, but maybe even hard IIIA like polyethylene
He did that long ago, with the older bodkins that are just shorter
Those are really amazing tips; I can't wait to get the magazine this month and will definitely purchase some of these tips when made available
As always fantastic content & products. Would you be able to do a video on the accuracy of the Edgetec & Saxon Warbolts, they've been shown to be highly effective at 5-7m but how to they fly?
Mr Sprave, based on my research single bevel does not increase penetration, two blade is what increases penetration. A vanilla two blade creates a slit which can seal up after the arrow has gone through, which makes for a poor wound pattern. Most two blades have small "bleeder" edges pependicular to the two blade that help create a better wound pattern at the expense of some penetration. Single bevels create an "S" wound patter that does not seal up and does not require bleeders. Regardless a two blade broadhead with bleeders still works very well. Lusk archery adventures has some very good broadhead reviews and overviews on wound channels.
60% of the time I tune into this channel to learn about new equipment. The remaining 40% I just come here to hear this delightful man’s laugh! 😁
A twisting arrow will also cause a larger wound which will cause an animal to bleed out faster.
Have you ever tried carving your arrow shafts in the same manner as rifling, so the arrow turns in the air regardless of the tip style?
What impact would 'rifled' arrows have on accuracy and precision? Food for thought my German brother. I've seen test models and they boast an increase of penetration and accuracy.
I would like to see you apply your skill level and experience on this idea. I'm sure it would be quite the experiment.
damn, about to hit 3 million subs. you deserve it Joerg
Sehr Interessant.Da kann man sich mal vorstellen was im Mittelalter so abging in der Schlacht.
Hey, Joerg! Another great video! Thanks!
Joerge! Of course I can't look in your wallet... But for the ballistic tests, I think it's a great idea to get a slowmo cam setup, to see what the arrows really do in the gel. Further,,, I love your videos dude! Keep up the hard work!♥️
He's done some slow mo work before
I used to have a high speed, but I dropped it and now it is broken.
@@Slingshotchannel AHH that's a pity, I'm sorry dude!♥️🌹
Now we have to find out how thick the armor must be to stop a Edgetac head 😁
whats the company name of those big heavy single beveled broadheads? I cant quite make it out in the video
Edgetac. Link in text!
You might want to use tempered steel plate to more accurately test armor.
Great video! Can you confirm the heat treatment of the broad head? Maybe a file test on the edge?
Now this is proper rewiew. Gel + bone and later disection.
it would be really cool if you got a meter stick to put along the side of the gel block for the slow mo
I'm also interested in the custom bipod, I hope we can eventually get some kind of bipod like that or attachments for more picatinny rails; being longer than the adder, I can imagine that an attached bayonet to the siege would make it an awesome close quarters weapon.
Great demonstration Jeorge, love all your amazing innovations
Great fun to watch, another great video!
Some crossbow bolts had a hole in the shaft instead of flights, and through this hole was passed a piece of rawhide or cloth greased with rancid fat plus maybe a little carrion. If the victim survived the initial wound in a non-vital area, death within a few days from septicaemia would follow.
Those did about as well as full sized crossbows and bolts, very impressive!
It is a full size crossbow
@@MrTimmmers no it isn't.
It’s far from a full sized proper crossbow like a equinox Excalibur 350fps not even in the same ballpark
Now I realize, the newest Jurassic park movie could be interesting if they included Joerg
Love the video, as per usual! Just a note: "variant" is typically pronounced "vare-EE-ant" in American/Canadian English. :)
Joerg is not American/Canadian 😉. Like most of the world … His pronunciation is fine 👍🏻.
For one, international english is based on British English unlike canadian and american English. But also, Mr Sprave is german, so his pronunciation is different, no moreso than any regional dialect like American.