The sperm bank thing really threw me when I found out I couldnt donate coz I'm shorter then 5'10 (you would knock out most of Asia/middle East and Central and South America. Which frankly is terrible.
I am the least woke person you will meet. And there are plenty of awful parents in the world, too many. I think it's clear many, many people shouldn't reproduce, for various reasons. But I think they should have the right to reproduce, be they genetically gifted or not (not implying that's what you're arguing, just saying).
Yeah, that was an odd point. I think he's saying that certain people are seen as undesirable for reasons that dont stem from racism, but the delivery was very wonky.
Then it’s too bad we’re all ignorant to some extent, huh? It’s like serial killers. Why do we prosecute them from society? Because they don’t follow what we think is a “moral” code? Because they do things we don’t like? Things we don’t do? It’s all twisted. Sure, I think murders horrible… but simply because of that I don’t think we’ve a right to exact punishment. In the end, it’s all about the majority’s opinion. That’s it.
I’m a woman of color and this channel has been so helpful for me! You have always been respectful when analyzing the facial aesthetics of different races an ethnicities. You’re doing cutting edge work, and making the scientific aspects of beauty more understandable for the average person. 💜
Bruh what as a black girl, this channel made me realize I am attractive in my own way and appreciate my soft features and neoteny. I love my big eyes, chubby cheeks, and button nose. I realized why I would actually look ugly with what's considered an ideal nose. My face is perfectly in harmony and it made me appreciate my own brand of beauty that may not be seen on TV but is still obviously attractive 🤷♀️ like guys, your features may not be the current beauty standard but they fit perfectly on you. Thin lips can be attractive, so can a big nose. It's about the overall harmony of your features
Yup the exact reason why I won’t get my small lips filled - I have a stereotypical Nordic/Scandinavian angular face. Me walking around with a fuller pout would look odd and artificial against my other features.
@@minimini550 Right? Like I always wanted like a nose bridge when I was younger and to make my nose smaller. But thank God, I didn't. My face would just not work for that. I see so many European girls who actually look amazing with thinner lips and than than get lip fillers and it ruins the harmony of their face. It just looks unnatural. It's great seeing girls who appreciate the beauty they've been given.
@@laprincesse9312 Exactly. I always wondered why I was so popular amongst certain types of people 🤣 That's why more people should travel 😊 i love appreciating the diversity in beauty
QOVES is one of those channels that will inevitably age like wine because his videos are arguably among the most truthful and non-biased forms of media there is on defining beauty. Through this channel and many like his, people are finally waking up to the fact of uncontrollable factors in life beyond you having an everlasting impact. Your height, beauty, intelligence, heath, and so on are all qualities given to you at birth and determine a large portion of the quality of life you will have. It’s unfair, and I think that’s why we willingly try to subvert the truth with ignorance. Why we do it is understandable, but no amount of defiance will make it false. At the end, if QOVES is unable to make you understand it’s importance... just live a bit longer. Life has a way of showing the truth for you.
Your intelligence and health are not given to you at birth. In fact Qoves, said the opposite. Your education and upbringing dictate your intelligence and your access to healthcare and the attention you pay to self care dictates your overall health. Granted IQ is partially influenced by heritable genetic factors, but those genetic factors are themselves influenced by the aforementioned external material factors.
All of those things are slightly changeable from birth, I think the ratio is 60% your Gene's and 40% how you are raised. If you have a bad diet and mouth breathe that effects your facial structure and athletic ability greatly. If you don't eat enough high quality foods (mainly protein) and don't get enough sleep your height will greatly suffer (watch more plates more dates video on this). Intelligence is most flexible of all, people who are born highly intelligent tend to restless because they bore quickly, if a child is taught key skills when they are very young and find a passion for something then their intelligence rises very quickly, this is the only trait that is still slightly flexible has an adult. I wouldn't call health a trait but this is also flexible as well and comes from the combination of the other three traits you mentioned.
Knowing the truth about looks turns your world upside down whether you're attractive or ugly. If you're ugly you realise some people treat you bad purely based on your appearance and make assumptions about you. And is you're attractive you realise that some people only like and hang around with based on your looks not your personality or values
You are correct about people making it a point to not pass on genes that will cause suffering. I just found out that a coworker is finally pregnant after 5 years of fertility treatments. I was shocked when I learned that she and her husband didn't actually have an issue getting her pregnant. The problem was was that they learned they each carry a recessive gene that when combined causes her to miscarry or to have a child that will have issues if it survives. For that reason they took the route of IVF so that they could genetically test their embryos to make sure they can pick out the healthy ones to implant into her. Now that is a perfect example of eugenics.
@@theunogod114 We never genetically engineered a human being. There are some people who claim they did it but it's probably bs. But we have genetically engineered other animals.
You're completely spot on with your arguments. These people arguing against your content, which (for the most part) is incredibly factual and evidence-based, clearly just want to live in a fantasy world and don't want their view of themselves and their looks challenged in any way. I've learned a lot from your videos, as I'm sure others have, and I believe I've improved my looks because of it. When you're speaking facts and making educational content, don't feel the need to defend yourself against insecure idiots who don't want to accept reality.
Every Video has at least five or more scientific papers cited, a very academic approach of which also recognizes possible biases, adds suggestions and discussions from the conclusions based on collected data. This is by far one of the most well researched channels I have encountered and a pioneer to the topics of beauty in youtube through factual evidence.
@@anna-nr1tt You're trying to tell me that he's "a joke" for explaining the research and deeper reasoning behind why we as humans are predisposed to assessing strangers' faces in order to gain insight into their personalities? As humans, we have many behaviours and traits that have been inherited over thousands of years to help us survive and reproduce. Pretending like looks are subjective, pretending like we don't base our initial impressions of a person on their appearance, and pretending like healthy humans don't all exhibit similar physical traits is delusional. You're demonstrating the same ignorant criticism that he highlighted in this video.
@@anna-nr1tt Citing good papers that are peer reviewed by experts in the medical field. Not to forget they have their own health allied staff. It's easy to object to things you subjectively do not understand. On the other end, it's so hard to accept new knowledge and that the only reasonable way to accept it is through structured, objective and peer reviewed literature. And for the record, I am an upcoming medical student qualified for numerous medical schools.
@@anna-nr1tt I am not very certain about the definition of good science, but the couple that recommended this channel to me is a plastic surgeon and a psychologist (both with Ph.D.'s, as far as I know). I also happen to have 2 degrees myself (although unrelated to the fields discussed here). But I guess I will admit that maybe I still don't know how to distinguish good research from bad. Should I try citing HuffPost or TikTok on papers instead?
This channel made me feel more Attractive. As a poc this helped me. Every other source centers whiteness while you guys actually talk about facial aesthetics and how universal many attractive features are. Edit: for the dumbasses out there I'm not my icon. That's Elizabeth Bennet from pride and prejudice
4:51 she is the same woman who said she thinks people in military have low iq and turned out she had just the same iq as that of the army guy. jubilee video
As a Latina, your channel has helped me feel even more attractive. I used to be self conscious of my strong jaw, and never knew it was an indication of health and fully developed teeth. I actually do have perfectly straight teeth and never needed braces too. 😁 I love my strong jaw now.
@@sarina8045 judging from picture you don't even have strong jawline like that so another bs and u look just like your average Latina or European girl wtf
This is what happens when people lie to themselves for whatever reason that racial features aren’t genetic. I love this channel, it’s the most informative of its type.
They arent lying to themselves they have their wires crossed. Because in race realism circles, people say shit like "x race is naturally smarter or dumber, because look at their skull shape," people who justifiably rail against that, will then conflate that with saying "phenotypical racial characteristics exist."
And THAT truth it is so interesting and insightful of human, or even an individual's, history. I know a white man, from an all white family, who only ever considered himself having Anglican heritage. His dentist made a comment about him having a "black man's jaw", which pushed him to do one of those DNA tests...only to find that he does in fact have fairly recent African heritage.
@@mikaeleulrichzagetapoc2022 Not it means that he didn't know his family history beyond great grand parents (like many people), and his racial biology has been able to reveal information about his heritage that he was unaware of....how does cheating play into any of that? you are so dumb.
Its a good example that sperm banks and doctors recommending against CF carriers having kids is eugenics. I just wanted to point out that sexual selection (when you don’t think someone’s hot so you don’t go out them) is not eugenics (artificial selection), its just natural selection. Thats one of few examples of natural (non-eugenic) selection still there for humans though with modern medicine.
intrasexual selection is not the same as intersexual (natural) selection. it is artificial (at least on humans) since women did not use to get a choice in regards to the partner they were assigned in most cultures.
If this is eugenics, may as well lump in the thousands of cephalometric/orthodontic researchers and papers they have published on the topics. The pseudoscience comment is funny when this is probably one of the most science-based channels on yt. Can't please everyone
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 god I hate those people. We have reached a point where people will say obese people are beautiful. It's nice to imagine a world where everyone is beautiful, but if such a world ever exists, then it's a world where beauty will lose all meaning. The same people that call an obese person 'beautiful' are the same people that love Leonardo di caprio's sharp jaw lines and turn down guys for being too short.
@Ana Pie I gained weight because I couldn't do any physical sport for 4 years and had to take corticosteroids for a year and a half. I even lost half the hair in ny leggs too. My face was rounder and I weighted 12kg more, and lost a lot fo muscle mass too. Now that i've been able to do physical exercises for a year, don't take corticosteroids and I'm improving my eating habbits I look like I used to, and I'm actually looking better even, because I'm training all my body and not only what I needed for playing field hockey. The same thing happened to me, I wouldn't recognise myself in pictures. I think I looked disgusting, and I wasn't even that fat.
I agree that America is lacking in science and math education. I work in STEM and the fact that there are ideologies around a flat earth just blows my mind. I always thought in school that I was bad at math, turned out I was just not learning it in the way that I understood it best. The whole point of studying any subject is to learn from it, take that knowledge and apply it to change what you can in your environment. You keep up the good work!
@@alylyon8073 You really just gotta dive into it, build a foundation and find what you have most fun doing. Do you like doing proofs, maybe you're a geometry fanatic, maybe you're in love with antiderivatives and integrals. The most important thing is building a foundation especially if you have a weak one.
@@alylyon8073 I figured it out when I went to college and just learned the basic fundamental rules. Once the rules were in my head- I was able to zip thru the problems. If math was taught from a fundamental basic knowledge, instead of just being showed a problem here or there, then students wouldn't struggle as much.
This is a difficult conversation to have, but I think that you've done well discussing it. Your examples of Eugenics highlight the drastic difference between what IS ACTUALLY eugenics, and what your channel actually makes content on. We need to be able to talk about things like this, because this channel ISN'T about eugenics; anyone who has watched more than 1 video would know this. Some people want to boil everything down to the lowest common denominator, and destroy any meaningful progress that could be made from discussion, because they lack an understanding, or they don't want to have an understanding, i.e.; they already have made their mind up before engaging in the conversation and aren't going to budge. You'll probably cop some flak from people not understanding the message or the points put across in the video, and while it might come across as blunt in some instances, I do believe you illustrated your points perfectly.
In this case it's not even the truth, they just saw the weakest connection to eugenics and decided that was it These are the kind of idiots who agreed with that one episode of The Golden girls being removed because there was a scene where they were using face masks misinterpreted it as blackface. Clearly if something looks like something else the fine details don't matter!
I have body dysmorphia and this channel actually somehow makes me feel better? I’m probably intellectualizing my insecurities which helps me distance myself from it emotionally but I’m also realizing how many features I have that actually don’t need to be changed, and also that I CAN change the features that I don’t like.
I majored in Anthropology because I value understanding the differences among cultures. This channel just focuses on beauty, which is varied but still has commonalities regardless of geographic region, culture, race, etc. This is just anthropological research and findings. Now historically, anthropologists have aided in creating a racial hierarchy with the measuring of skulls for example. The problem with this was not from attempting to understand the distinctions, it was the motive to use science (anthropology) to excuse the oppression and abuse of groups of people.
I dated a girl many years ago who after we broke up, she decided to donate her eggs and she got top dollars for them. She explained to me just like what was mentioned @3:40. One big reason she got paid a lot more than average was because she has green eyes and she explained that the genetics for having green eyes are one of rarest.
This is not eugenics, this is common sense. Facial aesthetic surgeons use these types of informations, and you are presenting all of these informations very objectively- very unbiased, and you just present neutral information.
I love this channel. It's made me more confident, because I finally feel motivated to put more effort into my appearance because I finally know what to focus on.
I think it's important to note that the more marginalised a group becomes, the more extremist or polarised their views become. It's not necessarily without merit because when your group is at risk of survival by a system that more or less allows it, everything that isn't explicitly pro-group is implicitly anti-group (or at least it can be perceived that way by said group). Given the state of things up ultil the present, it's not a completely unjustified perspective. When in a position of relative privilege, it's difficult to really get a sense of that persistent lingering threat that those further down the spectrum from you might experience and I think, if just for the sake of sympathy in a good faith approach to discussing these topics, being mindful and respectful of that as a factor in communication might lend to more productive, inclusive discussions. I'm not berating QUOVES. They've actually done a good job of respecting the nuance and being unbiased even in such a tricky topic to navigate in the current political climate, at least imo.
People can't live walking on eggshells because some minorites are paranoid, that's unhealthy mentality in a functional society, if you don't like it you can go back to where your ancestors came from
I think sometimes when I watch your videos it does start to feel like you are saying that beauty is the most important thing and that it’s not worth being alive unless you are beautiful. I’m not saying that’s what you are saying, I’m saying that’s how it feels sometimes. Being unattractive isn’t the same as having a severe disability. I don’t think unattractive people should feel like they should not have children because their children will be unattractive too. I like the mathematical parts of your videos that talk about why we find different features attractive and what optimal ratios are for attraction. I started watching these videos less and less when the commentary started moving past that towards statements that seemed to equate beauty with good. Beauty isn’t achievable for everyone and you can be good without needing to be beautiful.
Well it is important to understand that health is beauty and health is fundamental to life itself. I think it's reasonable to say that we should want the best for our kids, so logically following that if you had the knowledge of how to improve the health( and the beauty) of your children ( holistic health, dietary knowledge breath, stress/ors, etc.) Then you should feel somewhat obligated to seek beauty (health) for your children. (As well as yourself, but in a healthy non compulsive way of course)
As someone born with a genetic disorder, I appreciate the fact that you tell it like it is. People with defective dna like me should not reproduce. However, medical improvements nowadays are making stuff like CRiSPER (genetic editing, practiced in all IVF treatments) and the conversation on eugenics should be open again. I would love to be a mother and if there’s a way for me to have a biological child without my defective dna disorder. Because telling disabled or neurodivergent folks to just give up on reproduction is ableist and eugenicist. We have the technology to fix this forever, we should be doing it to all possible pregnancies. If that was done correctly, I wouldn’t have been born, therefore no more painful life and worthless existence. No more "defective" people would be born. And I’m NOT saying this from an ableist POV because I’m disabled myself. The life of a "defective" person can be hell in many ways.
Convincing yourself that you are beautiful when you're objectively ugly will not make you beautiful in the eyes of others, even if they tell you that you're not, they still percieve you as being ugly and this affects how they subconsciously act toward you.
@@riorio745 buy lying to yourself leads to confusion or cognitive dissonance, if someone keeps lying to themselves for their whole life and then are not accepted in the dating market, the reality would hit them like a truck, the better thing to do would be to know that you are not conventionally attractive but still be confident, do not feel bad for someones subconscious behaviour towards you
It's a miracle your channel has not been nuked. This content is normally found in the dark corners of UA-cam yet you have made it mainstream. Props the QOVES Studio for that. People want to remain deluded, they react aggressively when then find something that threatens to take their delusions away, not surprising but still annoying.
So the Strawman Argument pretty much indicates intelligence is the end goal, not beauty. I think a lot of people choose to be fooled by beauty. They don't rationally analyze beauty. That's why they "can't help it" to assign better grades to good looking students, and hiring attractive people to their liking etc.
The channel is not exactly for those that are hoping for videos that say everyone as hot super model material. Not exactly recommended for those with very low self esteem…Being blunt with scientific facts to why you don’t exactly look good and how to exactly improve is what I need to hear. We live in a society where we have to tell others that they look nice whether it is true or not. I want to improve so hard appearance wise but friends and family would say I “look good” when I’m not even trying. I once took a picture of my mirror to show to a friend. I was wearing old clothes from middle school with pajama pants that don’t match at all in that photo. She said my clothes are nice…. I don’t even know what is considered the truth or they are just being nice now. I wish loved ones would be blunt and give their two cents on their opinion so you can improve without hearing sugarcoated words :(
I've been following you for years and not only is your channel neutral, unbiased and science-backed, it's very interesting and empowering to learn about. This extremist mindset of "because i don't like something, I feel vindicated to ruin the world around me" in your comments, that's frightening language and extremist in nature.
Literally anyone nowadays can find analysis offensive or harmful in anyway. Come on now. It's just dissecting how we as humans perceive attractiveness but put into words.
Honestly I think some people think you have a bias. For example I have noticed for this video you used a random black women specifically for your thumbnail, but the woman from squid games in the other part. In your other thumbnails even if you use a pretty black woman you make sure they are more ‘fierce,’ which perhaps in Australia doesn’t have a negative connotation for Black women but in the US it does. Or you choose a mixed Black woman and specifically have analyzed them only. Which again is fine but it send a message. When analyzing faces you almost certainly choose white people and never make deeper comments about women with darker skin. I personally am not saying you subscribe to eugenics or the like. However, despite this channel being helpful to all it is clear there is a heavy lean towards whiteness, not in the sense that’s it’s better I mean featuring it and talking about it more. To be more clear I do not mean just people of European ancestry, I mean people with white skin. I do still find this channel beneficial, however I’d hope there would be some awareness in how darker skin is portrayed and how something as innocuous as a thumbnail could send a silent message. Facial features are not race specific and you keep talking about how the US is skin color focused but that’s a bit disingenuous IMO as colorism is a worldwide issue.
yeah exactly. as much as this channel is interesting in some way, its so typical when it comes to not speaking about black women much. he doesn't talk much about black women despite few of his thumbnails featuring black women too, as funny as that is. now it feels just so terribly awkward that he posted this video, knowing its literally just the one of the few videoes (published) of a black woman as the thumbnail. though its except not about beauty or a deeper discussion about discrimination against black women and/or discrimination when it comes to beauty. its this. and its fine to disagree, you're allowed to disagree with anyone despite of race or whatever. but its literally just... exhausting. though i thank him for the educational video. but my main point is that there's barely any diversity in his videos honestly, and its annoying. and even with the few thumbnails of black women, they're not even the main point in videos. ive been waiting for like ages for more diversity but i'm done waiting. his channel has the opportunity to go deeper with beauty standards when it comes to black women beauty, especially since there's tons of people who is just so unfair to black women and their beauty due to racism, misogynoir and colorism. people can be so unfair to darker skinned people no matter if they're black or not as well... but he never takes that opportunity, and i don't think he ever will soon.
I understand the fustration of the comments that you receive but I don't know that I was a fan of how you responded in a mocking tone. People may not understand the concept of eugenics to an in-depth degree as you obviously do but anxieties around the topic shouldn't be mockingly dismissed as uneducated foolishness but should be met with real compassion of the literal history and effects that beauty have on people's day to day lives. I am glad we are finally in a place where people can talk about the reality of beauty. As you mentioned beauty is not wholly subjective and I find it infuriating when people try to suggest otherwise and gaslight people in regards to the real life material effects of ones attractiveness. Beauty is also about survival for many communities; a life or death situation for trans people and a whole history of abuse and dehumanization for black women. Please do sympathise and show patience to people because there is not one of us that haven't been abused under systems of standerdised beauty, seeing these videos can be triggering a lot of trauma and feed and justify body dysmorphia. and of course this is not your aim nor your intention but it is a reality that must be accepted that this videos can help to find love for their features as well as trap people in a perpetual cycle of selfhatred and wanted to 'fix' themselves.
While I sometimes enjoy the content of this channel I have come to recognize that it was not made to address the real life effects of these beauty standards nor investigate the history (reason) behind the subjective opinions in the studies used as evidence to support his theories. For example the blushing video. This channel just does not have the range that your comment requires. The mockery for some of the comments come from a lack of understanding of the history and use of Eugenics in the West as well (for example the response that China practices eugenics with the one child policy whereas America does not. This ignores the fact that the U.S. actively sterilized people based on their performance on IQ tests... even up to the late 70s. It also ignores the issues China is currently facing because of that policy.) This channel does not have the range to discuss this topic.
A dismissive comment deserves a mocking reply. Educated comments receive constructive replies. The comments were not there to learn, instead resorting to emotional rherotic (all caps, name calling...) because its easier to be outraged.
I think what they really want you to do is to literally spell it out for them that just because they aren't a 10, doesn't mean they deserve any less respect than someone conventionally gorgeous. Everyone deserves respect and happiness and if someone treats you like a subhuman just bcos ur jaw isn't strong, you have to blame the person and the system perpetuating it- mainly the monkey parts of our brains (the halo effect, etc.), not objective beauty as a concept. Explaining science is one thing, using it to torment others- another. And if anyone truly believes that not talking about it will make something that's been with us since practically day 1 go away, I've some bad news. It saddens me to see how many people are struggling to accept certain truths.. I thought everyone grew out of fairytales that tell us how wonderful the world is and how all 7 billion of us r meant to be perfect kings and queens in every aspect of our lives, but oh well. Edit: 7.9 billion as of 2022.
This isn't eugenics. I've dabbled on circles irl and on the internet who genuinely believe in racial superiority etc. This channel is anything but. Don't pay attention to these people.
Nobody knows what eugenics means. Like he said sperm banks, dating apps, not having children because of genetic diseases is all eugenics but the word is associated with bad things like the nazis and ethnic cleansing
This channel has helped me a lot, both on my artisitic pursuits, as well as my own self-improvement. Everything I've learned from this channel has been invaluable information. I've improved as an artist ever since I found this channel because it helped me to be more keen to the subtleties of different facial proportions which in turn has helped me capture the likeness of a person's face for portraits. This channel has also helped me to improve my looks with the features I already have and how I can make the best use of them, as well as changing a bit of my style and makeup to better suit me. I really can't comprehend why anyone would bypass and degrade such treasure of information just so they could lock themselves up in their ideal world of a bubble.
One of the things that pains me about our modern culture in United States specifically and Western culture generally is how easy it is for someone to find a new word and use it with no understanding of what it means.
Yes! No apologies to the weak minded! I'm sick and tired of unintelligent hyper emotional humans who want to cancel reality. Thank you, pls , more* of these.
They only speak about this as bad, while they themselves practice all this, it is crazy in india, white women look down on the brown one's they have this superiority complex
As an ugly person, your channel has kind of helped me realize the truth, and maybe accept it. And yes, it does hurt, alot, gives me insecurities, but it is the truth. There will always be people everywhere that like to lie just to make themselves feel better, but then again, we need a sort of way to just accept what we look like without lying to ourselves. And maybe even improve our looks,,
You can improve you looks but its not always easy. I thought i was ugly for years and found out numerous people liked me. Especially after I started improving my appearance. Theres things you can do like surgery and weight loss but people never do it because its to hard to get money or lose weight.
@@juwanwilliams3400 Ahh well I am skinny, but I just hate what I look like. Maybe it'll change, idk, well mostly cos im still 15. I hope my face changes, I don't even know whether Im ugly or not since theres people that (probably) lie about what i look like and tell me I look good and then theres people that tell me I'm "not the best looking" when in reality theyre just trying to tell me im ugly in a polite way. Tbh people lying alot or sugarcoating makes me struggle to see what I actually look like, to the point that the way my face looks changes in the mirror all the time i have no idea how or why but its been going on since middle school. But yea, I just hate myself, but I guess thats the reality. I am from asia tho, maybe it's just the strict beauty standards, but idk. I still hate what I look like regardless, and I don't even know what I really look like
@@usagidog you probably have facial and body dysmorphia. This is really common and i have it to a degree to this day. Some of my friends have it too they’re in denial of their positive traits. you feel like you’re incapable of liking the way you look. So your mind could be playing tricks on you. I say you go get professional help now before it gets worse because its harder to get rid of the longer you wait. A tip i learned is to stop holding so much value in the way you look.despite these videos messages about how important looks are to your likability you don’t need to be beautiful to be happy and be loved. Looks make it alot easier to be loved but without a decent personality that can mean jack shit. You just need to be as likable as possible(Without compromising your character and putting on a front) even if you were ugly. One thing to remember is people don’t judge your looks even close to how harshly you do. Think about someone you thought was attractive and how they might have said something about a flaw that you didn’t even notice. Its probably the same with you. It’s impossible not to care about your looks but you can definitely lesson the weight that carries in your value system and improve your happiness. One more thing is attractiveness doesn’t last no matter what and it means nothing in the end. Focus on your relationships with people BE YOURSELF under all situations/ circumstances and you’ll realize you’re actually chasing something that gets you somewhere besides looks.
@@usagidog I believe you start to see that by that age. How the popular kids look or behave, how many girls are attracted to you and how they behave around you. That’s it.
@@kant.68 Hmm well Im not sure its just girls cos maybe also boys and other genders but yea,, And well the popular kids in my place are just smart kids,, cos yk, asia, all u have to do is be smart to get popular here sadly and Im not the wisest lassie around here
I’m an avid watcher but I’m sorry I can’t get behind you on this one. As most bioethicists would say, the concept of eugenics is inherently problematic because it gives way to harmful beliefs like genetic determinism, and both ideas are proven to be complete pseudo-scientific bs that undermine so many modern fields like epigenetics and child development. A good number of the examples you cited are generally not considered eugenics, as most genetic counselors emphasize the need to take a neutral approach in medical settings so that the focus is placed patient autonomy, and not explicitly the idea of “Improving the human race” through reproductive intervention or pressures. Even if eugenics is still explicitly practiced and common in some places like sperm banks, this doesn’t make the concept of eugenics itself anymore “okay.” It just doesn’t sit right with me for someone to say that eugenics isn’t inherently harmful when it isn’t even a valid concept in the scientific community.
I agree, the examples given are to show that you can call anything eugenics. However the idea of reproductive autonomy is a highly individualist concept that is prevalent in the west. In collectivist cultures, people would do what they need to do for the rest of society without argument, if that means having less kids or not passing on deleterious alleles, then so be it. Just like no freedom is bad, too much freedom is to the deteriment of everyone else. Coming from a social science background, people fail to consider that american 'muh freedom' isnt the only functioning society.
There's basic human attraction that has been proven to exist even in young babies (symmetry, youthful appearance, ect). Then there's societal and cultural influences such as color preferences and style preferences (Blond hair, sharpened teeth, tattoos, scarification). Eugenics uses aspect of facial analysis but goes on to make a social determination about sed individuals (Ie inferior vs superior) based on their features. There lies the difference.
Thanks to your channel, one time I got a trivia question right on the names of facial features, in a game with my friends. And for those who think everyone should have children should think of this line: "Every child deserves parents, but not all parents deserve children"
Thank you for not letting these comments stop your work. I'm a dentistry student so facial development is a topic of my interest, as well as the fact that as I've grown older and have lost weight (bla bla) i have experienced the difference in the way people treat you, so i love studying these topics. Your channel is one my favorites because you back everything you say by scientific research, but oof i hate to see how people get so easily triggered to the point where even science becomes problematic 🙄.
Wow! Your interest and past experience is exactly like mine, except Im not in post secondary yet. I relate to this so much as that is how my interest also blossomed. I am especially interested in orthotropics and its surrounding controversy.
i watch Qoves because i am an artist who draws realistically and understanding the psychology of people's faces and bone structure gives me things to think about when developing characters, one that has helped me is the siren eyes one.
what i don't understand is why people can't be body neutral. i see my face and grooming more as a tool now, the reason you want to look presentable outiside is to be sene favourably, like everybody knows that so like i fail to understand this criticism
Your looks determine almost everything in your life. And your looks are determined largely by genetics. The way people perceive your personality is completely dependent on your looks.
@@riorio745 The girl had issues it's much easier for dudes in those cases and you absolutely do not need to be a model to be attractive if you're 6.5/10 you'll get better treatment than a 5/10 generally speaking
Qooves. I love you and all your videos man. It does seem like you're become a little bitter from comments. I'd focus on brand and try to separate your own feelings.
Maybe some people have that misunderstanding because you focus mainly on western beauty standards. It would be nice to see more in depth videos about beauty around the world- though I suppose that’s difficult in terms of building a knowledge base and researching more
He’s covered some southern Asian countries such as India and also K-Pop stars. What I’ve learned is that their rounded facial structure is largely caused by the food they eat. Softer foods like rice and things like that cause the cheek bones to become less chiseled. Compared to Europeans where meat and beef are a main food staple, they can have more toned facial features. As for K-pop stars, women tend to have smaller chins and large eyes, which is found to be attractive in East Asian countries.
I understand the analyzing features and determining what makes a person beautiful in a technical way but what I don’t understand is the purpose or your intention. OK you analyzed a persons face and you realize they’re not attractive so now what lol It’s not meaningful at all We already understand that some people are attractive and others are not You seem to think that being beautiful makes you valuable And view people as though they are characters It’s quite sad really
it's really not hard to understand that his intention in the whole thing is only to make money in the end and he does that in this form, what's the problem? he just analyzes the faces and explains what makes a person attractive and what doesn't. he explains the beauty the topic is probably too delicate for you, because what makes you think that he considers people only valuable if they are pretty???!?? Yes he says that people thereby have advantages should be aware of you but that was it already
The point is one should enhance their looks to make them more romantically attractive and more approachable and take-charge in the work-force. I'm 5"3 and I'm a guy. Let's be honest, I'm fucked. I'm not taken seriously in school and am thought of in an infantile way, women out like me as much so a good romantic life is out of the picture. And jobs most certainly won't take me seriously.
@@mafrur1955 what's the problem? This reinforces cultural prejudice and social biases claiming some humans are not worthy of life so we should eliminate them. Those of us who are targeted by eugenecists, not all of us want to be cured because there's nothing wrong with us anyway. You only think there's something wrong with us because of the cultural prejudices and social biases you reinforce. Your delusional one-size-fits-all belief is the very cause of what you call 'disorders'. A British Colombia University study was done on prescription records for ADHD used on nearly 1,000,000 school children. Results showed people born in December are 39% more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD. What's the reason? Those born in December entered the same grade as their peers born in January, those born in January are about 4 years old when they start school while those born in December are 11 months behind in brain development by being only 3 years old. 1952: ~80 disorders 61 years later 2013: 297 disorders Sorry, evolution doesn't occur that quickly, nearly every so called disorder has existed for hundreds some even thousands of years, they are only seen as disorders because of your cultural prejudices and social biases which is why the diagnostic criteria for disorders are not scientific, but just a list of social biases.
@@delusion2987 Beauty is an opinion, sorry, scientific studies are not to be based on opinions. Everything has its opposite, as soon as you call one beautiful you call the opposite ugly. Something is only classified as beauty if it’s viewed by culture as beautiful, which results in those who don’t fit as seen as ugly by culture. The study of beauty causes transphobia and gender dysphoria.
Saying that eugenics is everywhere doesn’t make it right. This channel got accusations of using eugenics and instead of denying them, they instead say that eugenics should be normalized? Having the experience needed to be a surgeon is completely different from being “good enough” to have children since that is literally what you’re saying. And who is this narc UA-camr to decide who gets to be a parent? Oh no, this stranger deems my genes not worthy. I agree that not everyone should be a parent, because some people would be bad parents. Not because their genes are not “worthy” enough. I used to follow this channel but now I realize that the operator is so manipulative. Using random facts they cherry picked to make their point.
he didn't say that, he just says that people (he didn't specify what people or what population so i just assume that he refers to all humans) do eugenics, that we practices this unconsciously, i don't disagree there's people that care about this cr4p, of course not all people do this although don't get surprised to see people from time to time doing something similar, like in the case of women wanting from sperm banks sperm of literally white dudes of 6'0 foot and other things (they also at times demand sperm of tall black dudes) or women wanting tall man in tinder or bumble, or girls simping for a certain good looking man
Listen man I must say again…you just simply don’t understand the American people 😂 And I can make a reasonable assumption that most commenters represented are American. Critical thinking is just not significant in our culture. As you said, screening a pregnancy for congenital defects or potentially extremely debilitating diseases is a form of eugenics. It’s the ethics of application that makes all the difference and that’s where the nuance lies
Still, just because you're "genetically gifted" in terms of physical features does not necessarily mean you will be a good parent. There are plenty of parents that should never have children but because you're saying that solely because they are physically attractive that is the sole reason they get to have children. Never takes into account things like money or the character of that person.
I really enjoy the channel! I learned things about myself. I went to an orthodontist because of this channel, that addressed my facial asymmetry and even explained why I have insomnia. I wouldn’t have done that without the channel and I was glad I could fully understand the explanation the orthodontist gave me.
As a modern society, we should be able objectively/subjectively rank beauty and not tie it to the worth of that person. (Aspirational). And I feel like this channel does that really well. He comments on how attractive/unattractive faces are, but he never belittles anyone.
@@QOVESStudio I like your channel and what you do but I think your response to criticisms isn't quite there. Firstly, I found it odd that you used CF as an example when you deal with aesthetics on this channel. I don't think CF and something like a recessed jaw should be equated together. Also because a lot of facial features are also determined by environment as well as genetics like you've said many times. It's just a bit odd because although you didn't say it, by using the CF example it's like you're saying people with undesirable aesthetic features (not just genetic diseases) would not want to procreate. Even though that's not true at all. And I'm not sure what you mean by the "far left agenda" to be honest. The reason I like your channel is that you speak about many types of beauty standards objective and subjective. I don't see that as being so disconnected from the people you complained about that advocate for more acceptance of people that look average or even unusual. I can see why you're frustrated by the eugenics arguments because these people have probably not seen the rest of your work. But doubling down and saying everyone practices eugenics all the time is inaccurate in my opinion. Selective breeding is not the same as eugenics at all. And I can't help but notice comments from people of certain political leanings who think that you're corroborating their prejudices that some racial groups are inherently inferior because they have certain physical traits. Or that certain racial groups are intellectually inferior because they have these physical traits. Not saying that that is what you said at all because it isn't, but some people are interpreting your words as such. Anyway, this isn't a jab at your work because I really do like your channel
@@MsKateC2KTHANK YOU. This is very late but ive loathed (most disliked) this channel for a while and have seen very little to no opposition despite them being so big. While some of the critiques might not be flawless, there responses are not very convincing at all.
I 100% agree with the content of this video. I'm a healthy, "conventionally" attractive (according to the criteria explained by QOVES Studio) woman with a similarly healthy, conventionally attractive partner; we are both childfree and we don't really care nor feel guilty about "wasting" our good genes. "Idiocracy" is one of our favorite movies.
there is no wasting anything here. You don't owe anyone and anything of passing the gifts you are bestowed without your consent. This is like the 200IQ+ people being pressured all over again, just like that person that turned into just professor.
Bro, you shouldnt refer to yourself as subfive. I like Qoves' work, its interesting but it seems that people on both sides are getting the wrong idea. The idea isnt to hide yourself from bright lights and crowds and deny yourself love or a family if that is what you want. There may be an empirical element to physical attractiveness, but that isnt the be all and end all of attraction as a whole. Im sure that you have qualities that would make you loveable and that any child you choose to bring into this world would be lucky to have you. But that low self esteem will hold you back from doing that. And if you really are that focussed on looks, there are plenty of things you can do to look more attractive.
@@pisceanbeauty2503 yes it’s eugenic. Improving population genetic ls could be only done be selecting, as we don’t have the technology to modify them. Eugenic doesn’t just men ugly vs beautiful. Also handicapped and crippled people are excluded, on average no one really wants a disabled partner (generally)
It’s not entirely wrong. Obviously there are conventional beauty standards, but there will be the occasional debate between 2 attractive people due to small details. Maybe even some big details.
@@TwistedLullabies that true, some people have slight preferences, but usually people are saying "beauty is subjective" to an unattractive person to make them feel better. Unattractive people are treated worse in all aspects of life, and to pretend that doesn't exist is demeaning
@@VestigeFinder Pretty privilege exists because there are attractive people, and the unattractive tax exists because there are unattractive people. Even babies know what an attractive person looks like, so therefore you cannot make the argument that they've been conditioned by society to find what's attractive
Depends on what is meant by subjective and objective. There are features that are generally considered more beautiful because they are a sign of good health. However, it's not like certain features are set in stone as beautiful REGARDLESS of the circumstances. It's not the same as 2+2=4. If the circumstances were that evolution wasn't true and we were all immortal, then I'm pretty sure beauty standards wouldn't really be a thing.
judging someone by their looks" can be more accurately described as the act of assessing a person purely through visual markers which may be connected to a concept of genetic fitness. From merely a person's physical looks, various aspects of the internal world of the person are imputed: their personality, temperament, intelligence. Beyond this, the previous attributes also implies the moral character of a person, simply from their outward appearance. From this definition, every person reading this is probably acutely aware that, in reality a person's outward appearance doesn't accurately reflect what is internal to a person. It is merely an involuntary behaviour that evolved in earlier times when humans were living in small tribes and thus a person's pure physical traits were more directly correlated to one's survival. Contrast this with modern society where there is a surplus of food, medical technology, an open society, and the division of labor. Pure physical genetics isn't so closely tied to a person's survival, and doesn't speak on whether a person will have a meaningful and fulfilling life. Putting the most value on the physical genetics of a person (genetic traits that are apparent physically), colloquially referred to as judging someone by their looks, is therefore an apparent cognitive bias that should be overcome as much as possible if society is to progress in a more just and equal direction. I believe the orientation of the channel which acts to provide various scientific rubrics to assess physical attractiveness in effect works to reify this cognitive bias as do other fields such as the "luxury fashion industry", and "reality television", which construct and reinforce this idea for a profit motive. I think that this channel could reflect more on the value that society puts on physical genetics and how it reinforces society's dominant structures and narratives.
as a non-conventional attractive and average looking person, i don't think there's anything wrong with this channel. i don't like being told sugarcoated explanation to say that I'm ugly..the truth is better than being delusional.
I don’t even think these people can define what ‘eugenics’ really means. The study of physical beauty and aesthetics has been something long studied even in philosophical terms. No one on this channel is stating we ought to rid of people for being less attractive (this is of course the more extreme version of eugenics) This channel merely explains why we perceive certain people as beautiful.. to state that Qoves studio is perpetuating eugenics is a very dumb argument. Sure genetics might play a part in beauty BUT Qoves Studio also talks about understanding what we can do to improve our looks whether it’s ‘natural beauty’ or enhanced beauty. A beautiful person is beautiful regardless of what said person has done to achieve that beauty. Having said that, I think Qoves Studio does an amazing job at analysing aesthetics & I’m glad your channel is educational. There are enough mediocre channels out there
My guy I feel like you’ve just dug yourself into a deeper hole. I was completely on your side before this but I feel like you yourself misrepresent what eugenics is. Like conflating it with religion or with sperm banks.. While I don’t have anything against you, I just wanted to say that people who wrote comments on your video will not change their view of you after seeing this….
It was quite a broad definition, I definitely thought it was a bit too loose. There is a reason that CRISPR and gene therapy are debated as to whether they are eugenics and are not just immediately classed as eugenics. I just dont want the channel to become awash with political assholes from both sides with points to prove.
@@angusmarch1066 true, I honestly feel like this matter should have been better to be left alone, I quite enjoyed the analysis and new knowledge I haven’t heard of, but algorithms work in such a way that new videos will only bring more light to this issue and the content will likely follow. Which is sad
@@satsivinarsharab5343 its gonna happen. The cycle of politicisation. A person makes non political content, which may inadvertently intersect with political themes. It attracts an audience of people who are just interested in the content. Then a batshit political side attacks the content with their agenda in mind. The disingenuous people from the other batshit side pretend to "defend" the content, whilst sneaking in their own agenda. Ive already seen someone in the comments literally admit to being a n*zi. So we'll have to see.
I think the modern world pays disproportionate attention to physical attractiveness because more and more we present ourselves through audiovisual means. I preferred it when we wrote letters.
I have no disadvantage in the dating pool because my disorder is invisible and I am very responsible in treating in. I have Bipolar 1 and people can lead a perfectly happy life, I certainly do. But I choose not to have children because I know I wouldn’t be able to give a child all of the care it would need as there are times where I have to remove myself from others for x amount of time until I feel better. Not a good mix for a child. Many people with Bipolar also resent me for this but their children are their caretakers. I certainly was for my Mother. Clearly that played a role in my decision. Not necessarily the same thing as Eugenics because you actually more likely to find a partner especially when Manic because of hyper sexually and just charm and risk taking in general. But relevant because many people with severe mental illness, especially millennials, that is genetic, choose not to have kids, but there needs to be more studies done .But if this trend continue it may end up being a stem of eugenics. Who knows lol.
It’s funny how you’ve made videos on euro centric beauty standards and talked about it in other videos but people will ignore those videos and still say this channel is harmful to poc
This is, as he’s stated, what we call a straw man argument. Your pushing a straw man argument. That’s out of context and what we aren’t discussing. We are discussing people who have horrifying ailments and diseases that they themselves often times say they wouldn’t wish upon anyone. I feel like you’ve learned nothing but being butt hurt from this lmao
When you mention math anxiety, it’s really the first time I ever heard of that term. I’m not a brilliant math student, but I have particular interest in numbers, especially when you explain all these numbers relating to beauty and aesthetics. I love it. I’m southeast asian, just for the record. Keep doing what you’re doing. Your channel gave me a lot of knowledge and confidence on my own appearance. Thanks!
western and European culture now adays is just endless hedonism and consumption, and appeals to the lowest common denominator of intelligence. You can blame whoever you want for the degredation of the culture, but right now its not worth defending
Because the audience is primarily Western? What is the point of telling an Eastern audience about the west, what can they change? Not even the West, but primarily America, as the most individualist culture (as per the research article), have a lot to blame on their sacrifice of societal good for their personal freedoms.
I love your channel. But you seemed to spend a lot of time in this video describing why other, mostly amorphous average people, are too ignorant to understand your work. If you’re confident in your work, which you should be, why not just talk about the value of objective standards? Your perception of these average people is quite childish, and while it might not effect your ability of analysis, it certainly cripples your ability to defend or represent your analysis well.
I agree with this comment 100% I don’t get what’s the correlation between experiencing math anxiety and having the ability to think critically or analyze information. That’s nothing more than a red herring in his argument. I also found his tone didn’t help to establish himself as an expert. Instead, it made him come across as spiteful and condescending. I watch this channel all the time and I usually enjoy the content, but overall this video missed the mark
Yep I also think it’s interesting how angry he gets reacting to those videos from the cut where people rate other people on their appearance because he didn’t think they were being honest?? Like most people outside of this corner on the internet don’t think that deeply about how other people look, and most of us aren’t going to call a person a 2/10 to their face like it’s just human nature. Yes the topics he covers are interesting but in real life nobody cares that much. In fact there are people that he would deem genetically inferior getting into happy relationships and succeeding in their careers every day. The way he mocked those people was just in really poor taste, he should just stick to celebrities.
Bruh one of the most important reasons for racial classification is that the anatomy of different races is...different. That's stuff that needs to be accounted for in medicine, both clinical and research. Like why do you think ppl are pushing so hard to include the MENA category in the US census? Biological differences impacting the healthcare of the MENA community are literally their greatest argument, for good reason.
I love the biomedical approach to aesthetics. Its so interesting! I say this is as a healthcare professional. Don't make filler content please. CF is a brutal disease. Very tough to treat CF diabetes.
I just watched your video that basically explains that we tend to find sharp jaw lines attractive because they indicate bite force and it blew my mind how this made so much sense. It‘s sad that many people only hear what they want to hear when they had the chance to learn something new instead.
Eugenics jokes aside, as a hobbyist artist, this channel has been invaluable to me for character design purposes.
Exactly
Totally.
Yesss
facts though. Nice informative cheat sheet.
I actually agree as well especially for portraiture
This channel is amazing....keep up the awesome work! Thank you!
The sperm bank thing really threw me when I found out I couldnt donate coz I'm shorter then 5'10 (you would knock out most of Asia/middle East and Central and South America. Which frankly is terrible.
I am the least woke person you will meet. And there are plenty of awful parents in the world, too many. I think it's clear many, many people shouldn't reproduce, for various reasons. But I think they should have the right to reproduce, be they genetically gifted or not (not implying that's what you're arguing, just saying).
Yeah, that was an odd point. I think he's saying that certain people are seen as undesirable for reasons that dont stem from racism, but the delivery was very wonky.
Answer yes, embrace the accusation and scare them into submission.
This is why QOVES is based
I’m always amazed how people will only hear what they want to hear. The ugliest quality you can have is ignorance.
This
They don’t have any intelligence traits as well 🤣
everyone is ignorant at some extent
@@larixon8863 Yes, but being noticeably ignorant is an ugly quality. You can be ignorant to a small extent without being unattractive.
Then it’s too bad we’re all ignorant to some extent, huh? It’s like serial killers. Why do we prosecute them from society? Because they don’t follow what we think is a “moral” code? Because they do things we don’t like? Things we don’t do? It’s all twisted. Sure, I think murders horrible… but simply because of that I don’t think we’ve a right to exact punishment. In the end, it’s all about the majority’s opinion. That’s it.
I’m a woman of color and this channel has been so helpful for me! You have always been respectful when analyzing the facial aesthetics of different races an ethnicities. You’re doing cutting edge work, and making the scientific aspects of beauty more understandable for the average person. 💜
I've been watching his videos obsessively so that I can explain why someone scientificly unattractive, instead of just calling them ugly
@@BitchChill HAHAHA
Just because you say you're 'a woman of color ' doesn't mean you are.
@@recklessnotion1899 and it’s within your right not to believe me. This is the internet after all, everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
big up
Bruh what as a black girl, this channel made me realize I am attractive in my own way and appreciate my soft features and neoteny. I love my big eyes, chubby cheeks, and button nose. I realized why I would actually look ugly with what's considered an ideal nose. My face is perfectly in harmony and it made me appreciate my own brand of beauty that may not be seen on TV but is still obviously attractive 🤷♀️ like guys, your features may not be the current beauty standard but they fit perfectly on you. Thin lips can be attractive, so can a big nose. It's about the overall harmony of your features
I love what you said, "appreciate my own brand of beauty". wonderfully worded.
exactly, also remember that beauty standards are not the same worldwide so there is no point in trying to put other traits above the ones you have
Yup the exact reason why I won’t get my small lips filled - I have a stereotypical Nordic/Scandinavian angular face. Me walking around with a fuller pout would look odd and artificial against my other features.
@@minimini550 Right? Like I always wanted like a nose bridge when I was younger and to make my nose smaller. But thank God, I didn't. My face would just not work for that. I see so many European girls who actually look amazing with thinner lips and than than get lip fillers and it ruins the harmony of their face. It just looks unnatural. It's great seeing girls who appreciate the beauty they've been given.
@@laprincesse9312 Exactly. I always wondered why I was so popular amongst certain types of people 🤣 That's why more people should travel 😊 i love appreciating the diversity in beauty
QOVES is one of those channels that will inevitably age like wine because his videos are arguably among the most truthful and non-biased forms of media there is on defining beauty. Through this channel and many like his, people are finally waking up to the fact of uncontrollable factors in life beyond you having an everlasting impact. Your height, beauty, intelligence, heath, and so on are all qualities given to you at birth and determine a large portion of the quality of life you will have. It’s unfair, and I think that’s why we willingly try to subvert the truth with ignorance. Why we do it is understandable, but no amount of defiance will make it false. At the end, if QOVES is unable to make you understand it’s importance... just live a bit longer. Life has a way of showing the truth for you.
Your intelligence and health are not given to you at birth. In fact Qoves, said the opposite. Your education and upbringing dictate your intelligence and your access to healthcare and the attention you pay to self care dictates your overall health. Granted IQ is partially influenced by heritable genetic factors, but those genetic factors are themselves influenced by the aforementioned external material factors.
This is refreshing. The truth sucks but it’s even heavier and more chaotic to spend your life denying the truth.
All of those things are slightly changeable from birth, I think the ratio is 60% your Gene's and 40% how you are raised.
If you have a bad diet and mouth breathe that effects your facial structure and athletic ability greatly.
If you don't eat enough high quality foods (mainly protein) and don't get enough sleep your height will greatly suffer (watch more plates more dates video on this).
Intelligence is most flexible of all, people who are born highly intelligent tend to restless because they bore quickly, if a child is taught key skills when they are very young and find a passion for something then their intelligence rises very quickly, this is the only trait that is still slightly flexible has an adult.
I wouldn't call health a trait but this is also flexible as well and comes from the combination of the other three traits you mentioned.
💯 agree with this
I don't think so. Science is evolving and changes over time.
Hearing qoves mock someone is straight up hilarious 😂
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 never noticed tbh
That's what I like about him. Keeps it honest, not just to please the audience
Uncomfortable truths evoke aggressive responses
Always.
fax
If you want to anger a Conservative tell him a lie. If you want to anger a Liberal tell him the truth.
Knowing the truth about looks turns your world upside down whether you're attractive or ugly. If you're ugly you realise some people treat you bad purely based on your appearance and make assumptions about you. And is you're attractive you realise that some people only like and hang around with based on your looks not your personality or values
@FIGHTFANNERD10 nah
You are correct about people making it a point to not pass on genes that will cause suffering. I just found out that a coworker is finally pregnant after 5 years of fertility treatments. I was shocked when I learned that she and her husband didn't actually have an issue getting her pregnant. The problem was was that they learned they each carry a recessive gene that when combined causes her to miscarry or to have a child that will have issues if it survives. For that reason they took the route of IVF so that they could genetically test their embryos to make sure they can pick out the healthy ones to implant into her. Now that is a perfect example of eugenics.
This is a modern eugenics which, in my opinion, is great since you're removing a possible disease
that is perfect! brilliant point !
so genetic engineering?
@@theunogod114 We never genetically engineered a human being. There are some people who claim they did it but it's probably bs. But we have genetically engineered other animals.
@@VNuxion oh wait yeah im thinking of something else
You're completely spot on with your arguments. These people arguing against your content, which (for the most part) is incredibly factual and evidence-based, clearly just want to live in a fantasy world and don't want their view of themselves and their looks challenged in any way. I've learned a lot from your videos, as I'm sure others have, and I believe I've improved my looks because of it. When you're speaking facts and making educational content, don't feel the need to defend yourself against insecure idiots who don't want to accept reality.
Every Video has at least five or more scientific papers cited, a very academic approach of which also recognizes possible biases, adds suggestions and discussions from the conclusions based on collected data. This is by far one of the most well researched channels I have encountered and a pioneer to the topics of beauty in youtube through factual evidence.
FACTS
@@anna-nr1tt
You're trying to tell me that he's "a joke" for explaining the research and deeper reasoning behind why we as humans are predisposed to assessing strangers' faces in order to gain insight into their personalities?
As humans, we have many behaviours and traits that have been inherited over thousands of years to help us survive and reproduce. Pretending like looks are subjective, pretending like we don't base our initial impressions of a person on their appearance, and pretending like healthy humans don't all exhibit similar physical traits is delusional.
You're demonstrating the same ignorant criticism that he highlighted in this video.
@@anna-nr1tt Citing good papers that are peer reviewed by experts in the medical field. Not to forget they have their own health allied staff. It's easy to object to things you subjectively do not understand. On the other end, it's so hard to accept new knowledge and that the only reasonable way to accept it is through structured, objective and peer reviewed literature.
And for the record, I am an upcoming medical student qualified for numerous medical schools.
@@anna-nr1tt I am not very certain about the definition of good science, but the couple that recommended this channel to me is a plastic surgeon and a psychologist (both with Ph.D.'s, as far as I know). I also happen to have 2 degrees myself (although unrelated to the fields discussed here).
But I guess I will admit that maybe I still don't know how to distinguish good research from bad. Should I try citing HuffPost or TikTok on papers instead?
This channel made me feel more Attractive. As a poc this helped me. Every other source centers whiteness while you guys actually talk about facial aesthetics and how universal many attractive features are.
Edit: for the dumbasses out there I'm not my icon. That's Elizabeth Bennet from pride and prejudice
You’re a POC? Lol
u are white cousin
@@noway2835 I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed.
@@noway2835 bruh...🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ the profile pic is a picture of the actress Kiera Knightley, you pair of idiots.
@@brianpham6759 it's a picture from the actress 'Keira Knightley' . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The Q in Qoves actually stands for eugenics
LMAOO
4:51 she is the same woman who said she thinks people in military have low iq and turned out she had just the same iq as that of the army guy. jubilee video
damn good spotting
not surprised, jubilee happens to somehow get the worst candidates 😂
She's just bothered and upset her face is round and has no angularity. Which the video she was referencing was talking about. 🌝
What video?
@@pinkznoirkein4998 it’s called "strangers rate their intelligence"
As a Latina, your channel has helped me feel even more attractive. I used to be self conscious of my strong jaw, and never knew it was an indication of health and fully developed teeth. I actually do have perfectly straight teeth and never needed braces too. 😁 I love my strong jaw now.
Same. I understood that I'm much more attractive than I'd thought and learnt exactly why from biological/scientific pov
@@sarina8045 you are full of crap it has never been thin hair and underdeveloped jaw snuck that in like no one would notice
@@sarina8045 judging from picture you don't even have strong jawline like that so another bs and u look just like your average Latina or European girl wtf
@@sarina8045 you are 🔥
@@perc-ai thank you ☺️
This is what happens when people lie to themselves for whatever reason that racial features aren’t genetic. I love this channel, it’s the most informative of its type.
They arent lying to themselves they have their wires crossed. Because in race realism circles, people say shit like "x race is naturally smarter or dumber, because look at their skull shape," people who justifiably rail against that, will then conflate that with saying "phenotypical racial characteristics exist."
And THAT truth it is so interesting and insightful of human, or even an individual's, history. I know a white man, from an all white family, who only ever considered himself having Anglican heritage. His dentist made a comment about him having a "black man's jaw", which pushed him to do one of those DNA tests...only to find that he does in fact have fairly recent African heritage.
@@mstly4lg does that mean that I think it means? Cuz I'm thinking someone cheated
@@mikaeleulrichzagetapoc2022 Not it means that he didn't know his family history beyond great grand parents (like many people), and his racial biology has been able to reveal information about his heritage that he was unaware of....how does cheating play into any of that? you are so dumb.
@@mikaeleulrichzagetapoc2022 or somebody race mixed and it got covered up
Its a good example that sperm banks and doctors recommending against CF carriers having kids is eugenics. I just wanted to point out that sexual selection (when you don’t think someone’s hot so you don’t go out them) is not eugenics (artificial selection), its just natural selection. Thats one of few examples of natural (non-eugenic) selection still there for humans though with modern medicine.
Yes, correction
intrasexual selection is not the same as intersexual (natural) selection. it is artificial (at least on humans) since women did not use to get a choice in regards to the partner they were assigned in most cultures.
eugenics means good genes. and that's what everyone wants in a sexual partner
If this is eugenics, may as well lump in the thousands of cephalometric/orthodontic researchers and papers they have published on the topics. The pseudoscience comment is funny when this is probably one of the most science-based channels on yt. Can't please everyone
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 god I hate those people. We have reached a point where people will say obese people are beautiful. It's nice to imagine a world where everyone is beautiful, but if such a world ever exists, then it's a world where beauty will lose all meaning.
The same people that call an obese person 'beautiful' are the same people that love Leonardo di caprio's sharp jaw lines and turn down guys for being too short.
@Ana Pie I gained weight because I couldn't do any physical sport for 4 years and had to take corticosteroids for a year and a half. I even lost half the hair in ny leggs too. My face was rounder and I weighted 12kg more, and lost a lot fo muscle mass too. Now that i've been able to do physical exercises for a year, don't take corticosteroids and I'm improving my eating habbits I look like I used to, and I'm actually looking better even, because I'm training all my body and not only what I needed for playing field hockey. The same thing happened to me, I wouldn't recognise myself in pictures. I think I looked disgusting, and I wasn't even that fat.
I agree that America is lacking in science and math education. I work in STEM and the fact that there are ideologies around a flat earth just blows my mind. I always thought in school that I was bad at math, turned out I was just not learning it in the way that I understood it best. The whole point of studying any subject is to learn from it, take that knowledge and apply it to change what you can in your environment. You keep up the good work!
@@alylyon8073 You really just gotta dive into it, build a foundation and find what you have most fun doing. Do you like doing proofs, maybe you're a geometry fanatic, maybe you're in love with antiderivatives and integrals. The most important thing is building a foundation especially if you have a weak one.
@@alylyon8073 I figured it out when I went to college and just learned the basic fundamental rules. Once the rules were in my head- I was able to zip thru the problems. If math was taught from a fundamental basic knowledge, instead of just being showed a problem here or there, then students wouldn't struggle as much.
This is a difficult conversation to have, but I think that you've done well discussing it.
Your examples of Eugenics highlight the drastic difference between what IS ACTUALLY eugenics, and what your channel actually makes content on.
We need to be able to talk about things like this, because this channel ISN'T about eugenics; anyone who has watched more than 1 video would know this.
Some people want to boil everything down to the lowest common denominator, and destroy any meaningful progress that could be made from discussion, because they lack an understanding, or they don't want to have an understanding, i.e.; they already have made their mind up before engaging in the conversation and aren't going to budge.
You'll probably cop some flak from people not understanding the message or the points put across in the video, and while it might come across as blunt in some instances, I do believe you illustrated your points perfectly.
the people who are mad are probably just uncomfortable with the truth.... but The truth hurts sometimes
i think the same thing lmao
exactly lol
In this case it's not even the truth, they just saw the weakest connection to eugenics and decided that was it
These are the kind of idiots who agreed with that one episode of The Golden girls being removed because there was a scene where they were using face masks misinterpreted it as blackface. Clearly if something looks like something else the fine details don't matter!
So the truth is the right to be healthy is more important than the right to life?
I have body dysmorphia and this channel actually somehow makes me feel better? I’m probably intellectualizing my insecurities which helps me distance myself from it emotionally but I’m also realizing how many features I have that actually don’t need to be changed, and also that I CAN change the features that I don’t like.
This is so true. I feel the same way too.
ive had the opposite experience ngl but icant stop watching
@@ellijk4976 You are pretty.
I majored in Anthropology because I value understanding the differences among cultures. This channel just focuses on beauty, which is varied but still has commonalities regardless of geographic region, culture, race, etc. This is just anthropological research and findings.
Now historically, anthropologists have aided in creating a racial hierarchy with the measuring of skulls for example. The problem with this was not from attempting to understand the distinctions, it was the motive to use science (anthropology) to excuse the oppression and abuse of groups of people.
I dated a girl many years ago who after we broke up, she decided to donate her eggs and she got top dollars for them. She explained to me just like what was mentioned @3:40. One big reason she got paid a lot more than average was because she has green eyes and she explained that the genetics for having green eyes are one of rarest.
I heard donating egg isn't alway medically healthy for a women but good for her hope she doesn't get sue for child support 🤣
Yeah, only 2% of the world population has green eyes
This is not eugenics, this is common sense. Facial aesthetic surgeons use these types of informations, and you are presenting all of these informations very objectively- very unbiased, and you just present neutral information.
Eugenics is common sense
I love this channel. It's made me more confident, because I finally feel motivated to put more effort into my appearance because I finally know what to focus on.
Same for me
looks determine everything in life and especially first impressions, it's amazing so many people deny it
without looks personality is irrelevant, especially for sexual relations.
You look like a manlet.
Ironically the people who deny it are the ones who judge the most based on looks subconsciously
We have to operate in reality this is why the west in in trouble
I think it's important to note that the more marginalised a group becomes, the more extremist or polarised their views become. It's not necessarily without merit because when your group is at risk of survival by a system that more or less allows it, everything that isn't explicitly pro-group is implicitly anti-group (or at least it can be perceived that way by said group). Given the state of things up ultil the present, it's not a completely unjustified perspective.
When in a position of relative privilege, it's difficult to really get a sense of that persistent lingering threat that those further down the spectrum from you might experience and I think, if just for the sake of sympathy in a good faith approach to discussing these topics, being mindful and respectful of that as a factor in communication might lend to more productive, inclusive discussions.
I'm not berating QUOVES. They've actually done a good job of respecting the nuance and being unbiased even in such a tricky topic to navigate in the current political climate, at least imo.
This comment is terribly underated !!!
@@fj8992 I appreciate you actually reading it 🙏🏽
People can't live walking on eggshells because some minorites are paranoid, that's unhealthy mentality in a functional society, if you don't like it you can go back to where your ancestors came from
I think sometimes when I watch your videos it does start to feel like you are saying that beauty is the most important thing and that it’s not worth being alive unless you are beautiful. I’m not saying that’s what you are saying, I’m saying that’s how it feels sometimes.
Being unattractive isn’t the same as having a severe disability. I don’t think unattractive people should feel like they should not have children because their children will be unattractive too.
I like the mathematical parts of your videos that talk about why we find different features attractive and what optimal ratios are for attraction. I started watching these videos less and less when the commentary started moving past that towards statements that seemed to equate beauty with good. Beauty isn’t achievable for everyone and you can be good without needing to be beautiful.
Feels that way to me sometimes on here. Sometimes hit or miss but I'm not mad or anything
He has to make his money shhhh
I seccond this comment
Yeah me too , it's obviously not the intention but because it's the main theme it feels like that sometimes
Well it is important to understand that health is beauty and health is fundamental to life itself. I think it's reasonable to say that we should want the best for our kids, so logically following that if you had the knowledge of how to improve the health( and the beauty) of your children ( holistic health, dietary knowledge breath, stress/ors, etc.) Then you should feel somewhat obligated to seek beauty (health) for your children. (As well as yourself, but in a healthy non compulsive way of course)
As someone born with a genetic disorder, I appreciate the fact that you tell it like it is. People with defective dna like me should not reproduce. However, medical improvements nowadays are making stuff like CRiSPER (genetic editing, practiced in all IVF treatments) and the conversation on eugenics should be open again. I would love to be a mother and if there’s a way for me to have a biological child without my defective dna disorder. Because telling disabled or neurodivergent folks to just give up on reproduction is ableist and eugenicist. We have the technology to fix this forever, we should be doing it to all possible pregnancies. If that was done correctly, I wouldn’t have been born, therefore no more painful life and worthless existence. No more "defective" people would be born. And I’m NOT saying this from an ableist POV because I’m disabled myself. The life of a "defective" person can be hell in many ways.
I sympathise
Convincing yourself that you are beautiful when you're objectively ugly will not make you beautiful in the eyes of others, even if they tell you that you're not, they still percieve you as being ugly and this affects how they subconsciously act toward
you.
@@riorio745 buy lying to yourself leads to confusion or cognitive dissonance, if someone keeps lying to themselves for their whole life and then are not accepted in the dating market, the reality would hit them like a truck, the better thing to do would be to know that you are not conventionally attractive but still be confident, do not feel bad for someones subconscious behaviour towards you
It's a miracle your channel has not been nuked. This content is normally found in the dark corners of UA-cam yet you have made it mainstream. Props the QOVES Studio for that. People want to remain deluded, they react aggressively when then find something that threatens to take their delusions away, not surprising but still annoying.
So the Strawman Argument pretty much indicates intelligence is the end goal, not beauty. I think a lot of people choose to be fooled by beauty. They don't rationally analyze beauty. That's why they "can't help it" to assign better grades to good looking students, and hiring attractive people to their liking etc.
Intelligence and health.
Wooow
The channel is not exactly for those that are hoping for videos that say everyone as hot super model material. Not exactly recommended for those with very low self esteem…Being blunt with scientific facts to why you don’t exactly look good and how to exactly improve is what I need to hear. We live in a society where we have to tell others that they look nice whether it is true or not. I want to improve so hard appearance wise but friends and family would say I “look good” when I’m not even trying. I once took a picture of my mirror to show to a friend. I was wearing old clothes from middle school with pajama pants that don’t match at all in that photo. She said my clothes are nice…. I don’t even know what is considered the truth or they are just being nice now. I wish loved ones would be blunt and give their two cents on their opinion so you can improve without hearing sugarcoated words :(
I've been following you for years and not only is your channel neutral, unbiased and science-backed, it's very interesting and empowering to learn about.
This extremist mindset of "because i don't like something, I feel vindicated to ruin the world around me" in your comments, that's frightening language and extremist in nature.
Literally anyone nowadays can find analysis offensive or harmful in anyway.
Come on now. It's just dissecting how we as humans perceive attractiveness but put into words.
can you make more videos like these in the future?? this was entertaining and informative at the same time.
Honestly I think some people think you have a bias. For example I have noticed for this video you used a random black women specifically for your thumbnail, but the woman from squid games in the other part. In your other thumbnails even if you use a pretty black woman you make sure they are more ‘fierce,’ which perhaps in Australia doesn’t have a negative connotation for Black women but in the US it does. Or you choose a mixed Black woman and specifically have analyzed them only. Which again is fine but it send a message. When analyzing faces you almost certainly choose white people and never make deeper comments about women with darker skin. I personally am not saying you subscribe to eugenics or the like. However, despite this channel being helpful to all it is clear there is a heavy lean towards whiteness, not in the sense that’s it’s better I mean featuring it and talking about it more. To be more clear I do not mean just people of European ancestry, I mean people with white skin. I do still find this channel beneficial, however I’d hope there would be some awareness in how darker skin is portrayed and how something as innocuous as a thumbnail could send a silent message. Facial features are not race specific and you keep talking about how the US is skin color focused but that’s a bit disingenuous IMO as colorism is a worldwide issue.
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yeah exactly. as much as this channel is interesting in some way, its so typical when it comes to not speaking about black women much. he doesn't talk much about black women despite few of his thumbnails featuring black women too, as funny as that is.
now it feels just so terribly awkward that he posted this video, knowing its literally just the one of the few videoes (published) of a black woman as the thumbnail. though its except not about beauty or a deeper discussion about discrimination against black women and/or discrimination when it comes to beauty. its this. and its fine to disagree, you're allowed to disagree with anyone despite of race or whatever. but its literally just... exhausting. though i thank him for the educational video. but my main point is that there's barely any diversity in his videos honestly, and its annoying. and even with the few thumbnails of black women, they're not even the main point in videos. ive been waiting for like ages for more diversity but i'm done waiting.
his channel has the opportunity to go deeper with beauty standards when it comes to black women beauty, especially since there's tons of people who is just so unfair to black women and their beauty due to racism, misogynoir and colorism. people can be so unfair to darker skinned people no matter if they're black or not as well... but he never takes that opportunity, and i don't think he ever will soon.
I understand the fustration of the comments that you receive but I don't know that I was a fan of how you responded in a mocking tone. People may not understand the concept of eugenics to an in-depth degree as you obviously do but anxieties around the topic shouldn't be mockingly dismissed as uneducated foolishness but should be met with real compassion of the literal history and effects that beauty have on people's day to day lives.
I am glad we are finally in a place where people can talk about the reality of beauty. As you mentioned beauty is not wholly subjective and I find it infuriating when people try to suggest otherwise and gaslight people in regards to the real life material effects of ones attractiveness. Beauty is also about survival for many communities; a life or death situation for trans people and a whole history of abuse and dehumanization for black women.
Please do sympathise and show patience to people because there is not one of us that haven't been abused under systems of standerdised beauty, seeing these videos can be triggering a lot of trauma and feed and justify body dysmorphia. and of course this is not your aim nor your intention but it is a reality that must be accepted that this videos can help to find love for their features as well as trap people in a perpetual cycle of selfhatred and wanted to 'fix' themselves.
While I sometimes enjoy the content of this channel I have come to recognize that it was not made to address the real life effects of these beauty standards nor investigate the history (reason) behind the subjective opinions in the studies used as evidence to support his theories. For example the blushing video. This channel just does not have the range that your comment requires. The mockery for some of the comments come from a lack of understanding of the history and use of Eugenics in the West as well (for example the response that China practices eugenics with the one child policy whereas America does not. This ignores the fact that the U.S. actively sterilized people based on their performance on IQ tests... even up to the late 70s. It also ignores the issues China is currently facing because of that policy.) This channel does not have the range to discuss this topic.
A dismissive comment deserves a mocking reply. Educated comments receive constructive replies.
The comments were not there to learn, instead resorting to emotional rherotic (all caps, name calling...) because its easier to be outraged.
I think what they really want you to do is to literally spell it out for them that just because they aren't a 10, doesn't mean they deserve any less respect than someone conventionally gorgeous. Everyone deserves respect and happiness and if someone treats you like a subhuman just bcos ur jaw isn't strong, you have to blame the person and the system perpetuating it- mainly the monkey parts of our brains (the halo effect, etc.), not objective beauty as a concept. Explaining science is one thing, using it to torment others- another. And if anyone truly believes that not talking about it will make something that's been with us since practically day 1 go away, I've some bad news.
It saddens me to see how many people are struggling to accept certain truths.. I thought everyone grew out of fairytales that tell us how wonderful the world is and how all 7 billion of us r meant to be perfect kings and queens in every aspect of our lives, but oh well.
Edit: 7.9 billion as of 2022.
Best comment so far.
This isn't eugenics. I've dabbled on circles irl and on the internet who genuinely believe in racial superiority etc. This channel is anything but. Don't pay attention to these people.
Nobody knows what eugenics means. Like he said sperm banks, dating apps, not having children because of genetic diseases is all eugenics but the word is associated with bad things like the nazis and ethnic cleansing
what circles exactly?
This channel has helped me a lot, both on my artisitic pursuits, as well as my own self-improvement. Everything I've learned from this channel has been invaluable information.
I've improved as an artist ever since I found this channel because it helped me to be more keen to the subtleties of different facial proportions which in turn has helped me capture the likeness of a person's face for portraits. This channel has also helped me to improve my looks with the features I already have and how I can make the best use of them, as well as changing a bit of my style and makeup to better suit me.
I really can't comprehend why anyone would bypass and degrade such treasure of information just so they could lock themselves up in their ideal world of a bubble.
One of the things that pains me about our modern culture in United States specifically and Western culture generally is how easy it is for someone to find a new word and use it with no understanding of what it means.
Dude, so fucking true. The more comments I read, the more I realize how dumb this country really is. It’s all a facade to me now
This has happened forever and everywere. This is not a united states thing nor a western culture thing.
Yes! No apologies to the weak minded! I'm sick and tired of unintelligent hyper emotional humans who want to cancel reality. Thank you, pls , more* of these.
They only speak about this as bad, while they themselves practice all this, it is crazy in india, white women look down on the brown one's they have this superiority complex
As an ugly person, your channel has kind of helped me realize the truth, and maybe accept it. And yes, it does hurt, alot, gives me insecurities, but it is the truth. There will always be people everywhere that like to lie just to make themselves feel better, but then again, we need a sort of way to just accept what we look like without lying to ourselves. And maybe even improve our looks,,
You can improve you looks but its not always easy. I thought i was ugly for years and found out numerous people liked me. Especially after I started improving my appearance. Theres things you can do like surgery and weight loss but people never do it because its to hard to get money or lose weight.
@@juwanwilliams3400 Ahh well I am skinny, but I just hate what I look like. Maybe it'll change, idk, well mostly cos im still 15. I hope my face changes, I don't even know whether Im ugly or not since theres people that (probably) lie about what i look like and tell me I look good and then theres people that tell me I'm "not the best looking" when in reality theyre just trying to tell me im ugly in a polite way. Tbh people lying alot or sugarcoating makes me struggle to see what I actually look like, to the point that the way my face looks changes in the mirror all the time i have no idea how or why but its been going on since middle school. But yea, I just hate myself, but I guess thats the reality. I am from asia tho, maybe it's just the strict beauty standards, but idk. I still hate what I look like regardless, and I don't even know what I really look like
@@usagidog you probably have facial and body dysmorphia. This is really common and i have it to a degree to this day. Some of my friends have it too they’re in denial of their positive traits. you feel like you’re incapable of liking the way you look. So your mind could be playing tricks on you. I say you go get professional help now before it gets worse because its harder to get rid of the longer you wait. A tip i learned is to stop holding so much value in the way you look.despite these videos messages about how important looks are to your likability you don’t need to be beautiful to be happy and be loved. Looks make it alot easier to be loved but without a decent personality that can mean jack shit. You just need to be as likable as possible(Without compromising your character and putting on a front) even if you were ugly. One thing to remember is people don’t judge your looks even close to how harshly you do. Think about someone you thought was attractive and how they might have said something about a flaw that you didn’t even notice. Its probably the same with you. It’s impossible not to care about your looks but you can definitely lesson the weight that carries in your value system and improve your happiness. One more thing is attractiveness doesn’t last no matter what and it means nothing in the end. Focus on your relationships with people BE YOURSELF under all situations/ circumstances and you’ll realize you’re actually chasing something that gets you somewhere besides looks.
@@usagidog
I believe you start to see that by that age. How the popular kids look or behave, how many girls are attracted to you and how they behave around you. That’s it.
@@kant.68 Hmm well Im not sure its just girls cos maybe also boys and other genders but yea,, And well the popular kids in my place are just smart kids,, cos yk, asia, all u have to do is be smart to get popular here sadly and Im not the wisest lassie around here
I’m an avid watcher but I’m sorry I can’t get behind you on this one. As most bioethicists would say, the concept of eugenics is inherently problematic because it gives way to harmful beliefs like genetic determinism, and both ideas are proven to be complete pseudo-scientific bs that undermine so many modern fields like epigenetics and child development. A good number of the examples you cited are generally not considered eugenics, as most genetic counselors emphasize the need to take a neutral approach in medical settings so that the focus is placed patient autonomy, and not explicitly the idea of “Improving the human race” through reproductive intervention or pressures. Even if eugenics is still explicitly practiced and common in some places like sperm banks, this doesn’t make the concept of eugenics itself anymore “okay.” It just doesn’t sit right with me for someone to say that eugenics isn’t inherently harmful when it isn’t even a valid concept in the scientific community.
I agree, the examples given are to show that you can call anything eugenics. However the idea of reproductive autonomy is a highly individualist concept that is prevalent in the west. In collectivist cultures, people would do what they need to do for the rest of society without argument, if that means having less kids or not passing on deleterious alleles, then so be it. Just like no freedom is bad, too much freedom is to the deteriment of everyone else. Coming from a social science background, people fail to consider that american 'muh freedom' isnt the only functioning society.
There's basic human attraction that has been proven to exist even in young babies (symmetry, youthful appearance, ect).
Then there's societal and cultural influences such as color preferences and style preferences (Blond hair, sharpened teeth, tattoos, scarification).
Eugenics uses aspect of facial analysis but goes on to make a social determination about sed individuals (Ie inferior vs superior) based on their features. There lies the difference.
Thanks to your channel, one time I got a trivia question right on the names of facial features, in a game with my friends. And for those who think everyone should have children should think of this line:
"Every child deserves parents, but not all parents deserve children"
Thank you for not letting these comments stop your work. I'm a dentistry student so facial development is a topic of my interest, as well as the fact that as I've grown older and have lost weight (bla bla) i have experienced the difference in the way people treat you, so i love studying these topics. Your channel is one my favorites because you back everything you say by scientific research, but oof i hate to see how people get so easily triggered to the point where even science becomes problematic 🙄.
Wow! Your interest and past experience is exactly like mine, except Im not in post secondary yet. I relate to this so much as that is how my interest also blossomed. I am especially interested in orthotropics and its surrounding controversy.
i watch Qoves because i am an artist who draws realistically and understanding the psychology of people's faces and bone structure gives me things to think about when developing characters, one that has helped me is the siren eyes one.
what i don't understand is why people can't be body neutral. i see my face and grooming more as a tool now, the reason you want to look presentable outiside is to be sene favourably, like everybody knows that so like i fail to understand this criticism
Your looks determine almost everything in your life. And your looks are determined largely by genetics. The way people perceive your personality is completely dependent on your looks.
@@riorio745 one exception doesn’t make the rule. Also research “just be first theory”
@@riorio745 The girl had issues it's much easier for dudes in those cases and you absolutely do not need to be a model to be attractive if you're 6.5/10 you'll get better treatment than a 5/10 generally speaking
@@riorio745 that dude isn’t objectively a 3/10. Just in your mind.
And it's not set in stone. Sometimes a 7 to one person can be a 3 to another
thats so cap, being born poor or rich does. though maybe your right when talking about women only.
Qooves. I love you and all your videos man. It does seem like you're become a little bitter from comments. I'd focus on brand and try to separate your own feelings.
Based and Qovepilled
QOVES isn't white
Maybe some people have that misunderstanding because you focus mainly on western beauty standards. It would be nice to see more in depth videos about beauty around the world- though I suppose that’s difficult in terms of building a knowledge base and researching more
He’s covered some southern Asian countries such as India and also K-Pop stars. What I’ve learned is that their rounded facial structure is largely caused by the food they eat. Softer foods like rice and things like that cause the cheek bones to become less chiseled. Compared to Europeans where meat and beef are a main food staple, they can have more toned facial features. As for K-pop stars, women tend to have smaller chins and large eyes, which is found to be attractive in East Asian countries.
Exactly.
Crazy how they don’t talk about eugenics when they’re out seeking a man 6’0 and taller
Eugenics for thee but not for me !
I understand the analyzing features and determining what makes a person beautiful in a technical way but what I don’t understand is the purpose or your intention. OK you analyzed a persons face and you realize they’re not attractive so now what lol It’s not meaningful at all
We already understand that some people are attractive and others are not
You seem to think that being beautiful makes you valuable And view people as though they are characters
It’s quite sad really
Many channels out there are useless, what's your point?
it's really not hard to understand that his intention in the whole thing is only to make money in the end and he does that in this form, what's the problem? he just analyzes the faces and explains what makes a person attractive and what doesn't. he explains the beauty the topic is probably too delicate for you, because what makes you think that he considers people only valuable if they are pretty???!?? Yes he says that people thereby have advantages should be aware of you but that was it already
The point is one should enhance their looks to make them more romantically attractive and more approachable and take-charge in the work-force. I'm 5"3 and I'm a guy. Let's be honest, I'm fucked. I'm not taken seriously in school and am thought of in an infantile way, women out like me as much so a good romantic life is out of the picture. And jobs most certainly won't take me seriously.
@@mafrur1955 what's the problem?
This reinforces cultural prejudice and social biases claiming some humans are not worthy of life so we should eliminate them. Those of us who are targeted by eugenecists, not all of us want to be cured because there's nothing wrong with us anyway. You only think there's something wrong with us because of the cultural prejudices and social biases you reinforce.
Your delusional one-size-fits-all belief is the very cause of what you call 'disorders'. A British Colombia University study was done on prescription records for ADHD used on nearly 1,000,000 school children. Results showed people born in December are 39% more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD.
What's the reason?
Those born in December entered the same grade as their peers born in January, those born in January are about 4 years old when they start school while those born in December are 11 months behind in brain development by being only 3 years old.
1952: ~80 disorders
61 years later
2013: 297 disorders
Sorry, evolution doesn't occur that quickly, nearly every so called disorder has existed for hundreds some even thousands of years, they are only seen as disorders because of your cultural prejudices and social biases which is why the diagnostic criteria for disorders are not scientific, but just a list of social biases.
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Beauty is an opinion, sorry, scientific studies are not to be based on opinions.
Everything has its opposite, as soon as you call one beautiful you call the opposite ugly. Something is only classified as beauty if it’s viewed by culture as beautiful, which results in those who don’t fit as seen as ugly by culture. The study of beauty causes transphobia and gender dysphoria.
Saying that eugenics is everywhere doesn’t make it right. This channel got accusations of using eugenics and instead of denying them, they instead say that eugenics should be normalized? Having the experience needed to be a surgeon is completely different from being “good enough” to have children since that is literally what you’re saying. And who is this narc UA-camr to decide who gets to be a parent? Oh no, this stranger deems my genes not worthy. I agree that not everyone should be a parent, because some people would be bad parents. Not because their genes are not “worthy” enough. I used to follow this channel but now I realize that the operator is so manipulative. Using random facts they cherry picked to make their point.
he didn't say that, he just says that people (he didn't specify what people or what population so i just assume that he refers to all humans) do eugenics, that we practices this unconsciously, i don't disagree there's people that care about this cr4p, of course not all people do this although don't get surprised to see people from time to time doing something similar, like in the case of women wanting from sperm banks sperm of literally white dudes of 6'0 foot and other things (they also at times demand sperm of tall black dudes) or women wanting tall man in tinder or bumble, or girls simping for a certain good looking man
you can only learn to accept it and take yourself out (if hopelessly inferior) or rise to the top because people cant change their instincts
Listen man I must say again…you just simply don’t understand the American people 😂 And I can make a reasonable assumption that most commenters represented are American. Critical thinking is just not significant in our culture. As you said, screening a pregnancy for congenital defects or potentially extremely debilitating diseases is a form of eugenics. It’s the ethics of application that makes all the difference and that’s where the nuance lies
I get your point. I liked the video, but I don't like the way you handle and express your emotions. It's bad for your channel growth.
The problem with americans is that we all seem to have a phd in jumping to conclusions
Its people who have belief's that are based off irrationality that get offended by rationality.
Still, just because you're "genetically gifted" in terms of physical features does not necessarily mean you will be a good parent. There are plenty of parents that should never have children but because you're saying that solely because they are physically attractive that is the sole reason they get to have children. Never takes into account things like money or the character of that person.
I really enjoy the channel! I learned things about myself. I went to an orthodontist because of this channel, that addressed my facial asymmetry and even explained why I have insomnia. I wouldn’t have done that without the channel and I was glad I could fully understand the explanation the orthodontist gave me.
Tbh the narrator of this video isn't very attractive himself. His pic is on his site
so what? are you only allowed to study the aesthetics of faces if you're objectively attractive? that's dumb
I've looked it up and he is pretty attractive
@@amathonas well if you're gonna roast people for their looks except roasts back dummy
As a modern society, we should be able objectively/subjectively rank beauty and not tie it to the worth of that person. (Aspirational). And I feel like this channel does that really well. He comments on how attractive/unattractive faces are, but he never belittles anyone.
Exactly
You have been reported to the authorities. So as soon as we find out who you are, trust, you will be dealt with.
period
You forgot the /s
I can't tell if this is satire
I think you missed the mark with this video qoves. "Far left agenda"? Cystic fibrosis? What kind of arguments are these?
Cystic fibrosis? Whats that
@@QOVESStudio I like your channel and what you do but I think your response to criticisms isn't quite there. Firstly, I found it odd that you used CF as an example when you deal with aesthetics on this channel. I don't think CF and something like a recessed jaw should be equated together. Also because a lot of facial features are also determined by environment as well as genetics like you've said many times. It's just a bit odd because although you didn't say it, by using the CF example it's like you're saying people with undesirable aesthetic features (not just genetic diseases) would not want to procreate. Even though that's not true at all. And I'm not sure what you mean by the "far left agenda" to be honest. The reason I like your channel is that you speak about many types of beauty standards objective and subjective. I don't see that as being so disconnected from the people you complained about that advocate for more acceptance of people that look average or even unusual. I can see why you're frustrated by the eugenics arguments because these people have probably not seen the rest of your work. But doubling down and saying everyone practices eugenics all the time is inaccurate in my opinion. Selective breeding is not the same as eugenics at all. And I can't help but notice comments from people of certain political leanings who think that you're corroborating their prejudices that some racial groups are inherently inferior because they have certain physical traits. Or that certain racial groups are intellectually inferior because they have these physical traits. Not saying that that is what you said at all because it isn't, but some people are interpreting your words as such. Anyway, this isn't a jab at your work because I really do like your channel
@@MsKateC2K the more i watch qoves videos then read comments the more i realise i know even less about beauty
@@MsKateC2KTHANK YOU. This is very late but ive loathed (most disliked) this channel for a while and have seen very little to no opposition despite them being so big. While some of the critiques might not be flawless, there responses are not very convincing at all.
I 100% agree with the content of this video. I'm a healthy, "conventionally" attractive (according to the criteria explained by QOVES Studio) woman with a similarly healthy, conventionally attractive partner; we are both childfree and we don't really care nor feel guilty about "wasting" our good genes. "Idiocracy" is one of our favorite movies.
lmao or just sad
What does stating your favorite movie have to do with the content of this video?
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 If you had seen that movie, you'd know. The theme is strictly related to what we are talking about here.
there is no wasting anything here. You don't owe anyone and anything of passing the gifts you are bestowed without your consent. This is like the 200IQ+ people being pressured all over again, just like that person that turned into just professor.
@Quiet not many people claim to be attractive, she might be speaking truth
As a subfive male I wouldn’t dare to pass down my genetics lmao
Bro, you shouldnt refer to yourself as subfive. I like Qoves' work, its interesting but it seems that people on both sides are getting the wrong idea. The idea isnt to hide yourself from bright lights and crowds and deny yourself love or a family if that is what you want. There may be an empirical element to physical attractiveness, but that isnt the be all and end all of attraction as a whole. Im sure that you have qualities that would make you loveable and that any child you choose to bring into this world would be lucky to have you. But that low self esteem will hold you back from doing that. And if you really are that focussed on looks, there are plenty of things you can do to look more attractive.
@Sad officier K Yellow washing
Good keep it that way
We all practice eugenics when we pick a partner.
@@pisceanbeauty2503 no moron.eugenics is u looking at a perfect face and ur brain telling u THIS IS ATTRACTIVE.
@@pisceanbeauty2503 yes it’s eugenic. Improving population genetic ls could be only done be selecting, as we don’t have the technology to modify them. Eugenic doesn’t just men ugly vs beautiful. Also handicapped and crippled people are excluded, on average no one really wants a disabled partner (generally)
nah, then why people in wheelchairs have kids?
@@pisceanbeauty2503 thanks
no, that's called natural selection
Wish you would use the term woke appropriately by associating it its true meaning and not the media distortion. Please do more research.
when people say “beauty is subjective!” is makes me wanna jump off a cliff. it’s so low iq and obviously not true
It’s not entirely wrong. Obviously there are conventional beauty standards, but there will be the occasional debate between 2 attractive people due to small details. Maybe even some big details.
People have subjective preferences
@@TwistedLullabies that true, some people have slight preferences, but usually people are saying "beauty is subjective" to an unattractive person to make them feel better. Unattractive people are treated worse in all aspects of life, and to pretend that doesn't exist is demeaning
@@VestigeFinder Pretty privilege exists because there are attractive people, and the unattractive tax exists because there are unattractive people. Even babies know what an attractive person looks like, so therefore you cannot make the argument that they've been conditioned by society to find what's attractive
Depends on what is meant by subjective and objective. There are features that are generally considered more beautiful because they are a sign of good health. However, it's not like certain features are set in stone as beautiful REGARDLESS of the circumstances. It's not the same as 2+2=4. If the circumstances were that evolution wasn't true and we were all immortal, then I'm pretty sure beauty standards wouldn't really be a thing.
judging someone by their looks" can be more accurately described as the act of assessing a person purely through visual markers which may be connected to a concept of genetic fitness. From merely a person's physical looks, various aspects of the internal world of the person are imputed: their personality, temperament, intelligence. Beyond this, the previous attributes also implies the moral character of a person, simply from their outward appearance.
From this definition, every person reading this is probably acutely aware that, in reality a person's outward appearance doesn't accurately reflect what is internal to a person. It is merely an involuntary behaviour that evolved in earlier times when humans were living in small tribes and thus a person's pure physical traits were more directly correlated to one's survival. Contrast this with modern society where there is a surplus of food, medical technology, an open society, and the division of labor. Pure physical genetics isn't so closely tied to a person's survival, and doesn't speak on whether a person will have a meaningful and fulfilling life. Putting the most value on the physical genetics of a person (genetic traits that are apparent physically), colloquially referred to as judging someone by their looks, is therefore an apparent cognitive bias that should be overcome as much as possible if society is to progress in a more just and equal direction.
I believe the orientation of the channel which acts to provide various scientific rubrics to assess physical attractiveness in effect works to reify this cognitive bias as do other fields such as the "luxury fashion industry", and "reality television", which construct and reinforce this idea for a profit motive. I think that this channel could reflect more on the value that society puts on physical genetics and how it reinforces society's dominant structures and narratives.
as a non-conventional attractive and average looking person, i don't think there's anything wrong with this channel. i don't like being told sugarcoated explanation to say that I'm ugly..the truth is better than being delusional.
I don’t even think these people can define what ‘eugenics’ really means. The study of physical beauty and aesthetics has been something long studied even in philosophical terms. No one on this channel is stating we ought to rid of people for being less attractive (this is of course the more extreme version of eugenics)
This channel merely explains why we perceive certain people as beautiful.. to state that Qoves studio is perpetuating eugenics is a very dumb argument. Sure genetics might play a part in beauty BUT Qoves Studio also talks about understanding what we can do to improve our looks whether it’s ‘natural beauty’ or enhanced beauty.
A beautiful person is beautiful regardless of what said person has done to achieve that beauty.
Having said that, I think Qoves Studio does an amazing job at analysing aesthetics & I’m glad your channel is educational. There are enough mediocre channels out there
My guy I feel like you’ve just dug yourself into a deeper hole. I was completely on your side before this but I feel like you yourself misrepresent what eugenics is.
Like conflating it with religion or with sperm banks..
While I don’t have anything against you, I just wanted to say that people who wrote comments on your video will not change their view of you after seeing this….
It was quite a broad definition, I definitely thought it was a bit too loose. There is a reason that CRISPR and gene therapy are debated as to whether they are eugenics and are not just immediately classed as eugenics. I just dont want the channel to become awash with political assholes from both sides with points to prove.
@@angusmarch1066 true, I honestly feel like this matter should have been better to be left alone, I quite enjoyed the analysis and new knowledge I haven’t heard of, but algorithms work in such a way that new videos will only bring more light to this issue and the content will likely follow. Which is sad
Also over population is a myth!
@@satsivinarsharab5343 its gonna happen. The cycle of politicisation. A person makes non political content, which may inadvertently intersect with political themes. It attracts an audience of people who are just interested in the content. Then a batshit political side attacks the content with their agenda in mind. The disingenuous people from the other batshit side pretend to "defend" the content, whilst sneaking in their own agenda. Ive already seen someone in the comments literally admit to being a n*zi. So we'll have to see.
@@angusmarch1066 haha i saw that n*zi comment as well 😂
I think the modern world pays disproportionate attention to physical attractiveness because more and more we present ourselves through audiovisual means. I preferred it when we wrote letters.
8:48 MY POINT EXACTLY but I cant discuss this with anyone. they get offended.
These videos EXPLAIN a lot of natural human biases, they don’t justify them.
"It's orthodontics, go read a book" Boom roasted
I have no disadvantage in the dating pool because my disorder is invisible and I am very responsible in treating in. I have Bipolar 1 and people can lead a perfectly happy life, I certainly do. But I choose not to have children because I know I wouldn’t be able to give a child all of the care it would need as there are times where I have to remove myself from others for x amount of time until I feel better. Not a good mix for a child. Many people with Bipolar also resent me for this but their children are their caretakers. I certainly was for my Mother. Clearly that played a role in my decision. Not necessarily the same thing as Eugenics because you actually more likely to find a partner especially when Manic because of hyper sexually and just charm and risk taking in general. But relevant because many people with severe mental illness, especially millennials, that is genetic, choose not to have kids, but there needs to be more studies done .But if this trend continue it may end up being a stem of eugenics. Who knows lol.
It’s funny how you’ve made videos on euro centric beauty standards and talked about it in other videos but people will ignore those videos and still say this channel is harmful to poc
Tell 'em QOVES
i cant help but feel that, for example, having one eye wider than the other is far less detrimental to one's health than cystic fibrosis
This is, as he’s stated, what we call a straw man argument. Your pushing a straw man argument. That’s out of context and what we aren’t discussing. We are discussing people who have horrifying ailments and diseases that they themselves often times say they wouldn’t wish upon anyone. I feel like you’ve learned nothing but being butt hurt from this lmao
When you mention math anxiety, it’s really the first time I ever heard of that term. I’m not a brilliant math student, but I have particular interest in numbers, especially when you explain all these numbers relating to beauty and aesthetics. I love it. I’m southeast asian, just for the record. Keep doing what you’re doing. Your channel gave me a lot of knowledge and confidence on my own appearance. Thanks!
So people don't understand what eugenics means but like to throw it around and start arguments with others
They just don’t want to admit they’ve been breathing through their mouths their whole lives.
Too lazy to practice good posture. 😂
I find it hysterical considering how much you slam the West and European culture. Pot calling the bettle black much?
western and European culture now adays is just endless hedonism and consumption, and appeals to the lowest common denominator of intelligence. You can blame whoever you want for the degredation of the culture, but right now its not worth defending
Because the audience is primarily Western? What is the point of telling an Eastern audience about the west, what can they change? Not even the West, but primarily America, as the most individualist culture (as per the research article), have a lot to blame on their sacrifice of societal good for their personal freedoms.
Kek people get upset by the fitness score because if it weren’t for modern society they may not be alive
I love your channel. But you seemed to spend a lot of time in this video describing why other, mostly amorphous average people, are too ignorant to understand your work. If you’re confident in your work, which you should be, why not just talk about the value of objective standards? Your perception of these average people is quite childish, and while it might not effect your ability of analysis, it certainly cripples your ability to defend or represent your analysis well.
I agree with this comment 100%
I don’t get what’s the correlation between experiencing math anxiety and having the ability to think critically or analyze information. That’s nothing more than a red herring in his argument. I also found his tone didn’t help to establish himself as an expert. Instead, it made him come across as spiteful and condescending.
I watch this channel all the time and I usually enjoy the content, but overall this video missed the mark
Yep I also think it’s interesting how angry he gets reacting to those videos from the cut where people rate other people on their appearance because he didn’t think they were being honest?? Like most people outside of this corner on the internet don’t think that deeply about how other people look, and most of us aren’t going to call a person a 2/10 to their face like it’s just human nature. Yes the topics he covers are interesting but in real life nobody cares that much. In fact there are people that he would deem genetically inferior getting into happy relationships and succeeding in their careers every day. The way he mocked those people was just in really poor taste, he should just stick to celebrities.
Bruh one of the most important reasons for racial classification is that the anatomy of different races is...different. That's stuff that needs to be accounted for in medicine, both clinical and research. Like why do you think ppl are pushing so hard to include the MENA category in the US census? Biological differences impacting the healthcare of the MENA community are literally their greatest argument, for good reason.
I love the biomedical approach to aesthetics. Its so interesting! I say this is as a healthcare professional.
Don't make filler content please.
CF is a brutal disease. Very tough to treat CF diabetes.
I just watched your video that basically explains that we tend to find sharp jaw lines attractive because they indicate bite force and it blew my mind how this made so much sense. It‘s sad that many people only hear what they want to hear when they had the chance to learn something new instead.
We don't care , Just continue with the beauty science videos.
I wish eugenic was practiced religiously from the birth of man, our race would be so much more advanced and smarter
Instead, we’ve unfortunately had these very people he’s making this video about come to be. How sad.
> implying someone called pancake wouldn't be selected against in such a society
> Ishygddt