Hi, very interesting! Why did'nt you pick the e-NV200 for a comparism? Would be interesting for me as a future e-NV Owner. Greetings, all the Way from Switzerland 🇨🇭👋
Looks to me that e-Deliver 3 bases it’s charging current on voltage. Under 392/394V it charges at 128A. When it reaches that voltage, the current suddenly drops to 50A causing the voltage to drop a little as well but enough to be under the current-change point so it tries to increase the current again. But when it does so it reaches 394V again and it has to drop current again and again in a loop. The problem mostly stops when it reaches 393/394V because that’s the threshold that it will not try to increase the current again. It’s not a bad BMS but that they didn’t think this ‘problem’ could happen. I think it’s safe anyway but it’s weird/ funny to see it increase and drop, increase and drop current
is the capacity you listed on the screens gross capacity ? (i thought i heard you say net capacity) But if its net capacity somethigns weird with the maxus ... since ZOE und maxus both start at 10% and finish at around 42kWh delivered at 90-ish percent. so either the maxus has the same useable capacity as a ZOE .. or something is seriously wrong with the mesurement of the charging stalls (and i personally thinks the last one is rather impropable). whats your take of this weird situation ? (i cant really explain it with the informaiton i was able to gather in 10 seconds .. and you had first hand experience with the car, like capacity that you were able to extract etc.)
This is hilarious. I found myself watching closely, and waiting for your comment that something was happening. It's like being at a race track. 😂 it's good though.
Are you going to be looking at the Maxus Euniq MPV? I see that it is specified as a 7 seater and only has 525kg nyttelast. How is that going to work when SVV specifies that 1 person is 75kg, are you not allowed to bring even a bottle of soda with you while driving if there is 6 passengers?
Now there is a V3 Supercharger in Inverness, you should come over to Scotland and do the North Coast 500! Quick, before they close all the borders to Europe!
Dude, that Maxus session was glitchy weird. I would be interested to see another one (I know these aren't particularly easy to do, especially when you don't have easy access to the Vehicle). All that being said, 400v nominal packs should now be the norm in EVs. 350v is okay, but you literally get 14% greater charge speed, just by going with a 400v nominal system. It's my understanding that all of the fast chargers are capable of 500v. Other than perhaps r&d and component prices, this should be a no brainer, and I'm glad there are already a few companies implementing it.
Charging curves are often very different from a constructor to another, and this is supposed to affect batteries life. Maybe some constructors use « security » curves to preserve durability, and others use « agressive » curves to minimise charging time, which is an important sales argument. And maybe some constructors have not optimised their charging curves because they don’t have enough experience. Perhaps we´ll see in the future if some batteries have more capacity loss then others or a shorter life...
Bjorn, but the Zoe doesn't have 43kWh! I have the Zoe 50 and I have 72% battery with 229km of range remaining. If do the math I end up with a consumption of 163Wh/km. If I account for thr 28%, so that I have 100% battery then I end up with 51834Wh of capacity.
I got a lease on a e-Golf 2020 untill begin 2022. I will switch back to gasoline car after that. The EV is perfect for daily drive. But 2 times a year i drive longer distances. And then EV gets super annoying. Its stupid that i complain about 2 times a year...because the rest of the year the EV is perfectly fine. But it takes too much preperation + planning. Its so annoying. I woudnt have this at all with a gasoline car. And the chargers are getting full. I think i will have a mental collapse if i encounter a charger being occupied. I dont want to expierence this. I think EV is not ready yet. Even for city person like me who does 50 km a day.
@@ZleFox I think so aswel but a Tesla costs 51k here in the Netherlands(Europe). Brand new. And there is no used Tesla on the market. I can buy a 2 year old good Mercedes Benz or a Audi for around 25-30k (gasoline).
@@ZleFox you can buy Toyota Aygo new for 10k or DACIA. I was calculating that for our family it would be best to have 2 EV cars and take a car for rent once a month we need to go somewhere far. Now we have EV + 15y old ICE (won't be able to use next year due to non-compliance EU norms in city)
No wonder the e-Golf is annoying over long distances. It's a city car. There are a number of EVs already between e-Golf and Tesla, some of them are also suitable for long distances.
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"Is Zoe going to catch Maxus?" Hold your horses... You are watching; The Grand EV Charging Steeplechase 2020 😅
Haven't watched the channel for 2 days -> 6 new vids uploaded. Whaaaat? :D :)
Hi, very interesting! Why did'nt you pick the e-NV200 for a comparism? Would be interesting for me as a future e-NV Owner. Greetings, all the Way from Switzerland 🇨🇭👋
Am guessing the lack of thermal cooling would show how slow the env-200 would charge. So for comparison Bjorn?
Looks to me that e-Deliver 3 bases it’s charging current on voltage. Under 392/394V it charges at 128A. When it reaches that voltage, the current suddenly drops to 50A causing the voltage to drop a little as well but enough to be under the current-change point so it tries to increase the current again. But when it does so it reaches 394V again and it has to drop current again and again in a loop. The problem mostly stops when it reaches 393/394V because that’s the threshold that it will not try to increase the current again. It’s not a bad BMS but that they didn’t think this ‘problem’ could happen. I think it’s safe anyway but it’s weird/ funny to see it increase and drop, increase and drop current
is the capacity you listed on the screens gross capacity ? (i thought i heard you say net capacity)
But if its net capacity somethigns weird with the maxus ... since ZOE und maxus both start at 10% and finish at around 42kWh delivered at 90-ish percent.
so either the maxus has the same useable capacity as a ZOE .. or something is seriously wrong with the mesurement of the charging stalls (and i personally thinks the last one is rather impropable).
whats your take of this weird situation ?
(i cant really explain it with the informaiton i was able to gather in 10 seconds .. and you had first hand experience with the car, like capacity that you were able to extract etc.)
Bjørn , please make some video with electric vans from PSA (expert, jumper, proace)! :)
This is hilarious. I found myself watching closely, and waiting for your comment that something was happening. It's like being at a race track. 😂 it's good though.
Are you going to be looking at the Maxus Euniq MPV? I see that it is specified as a 7 seater and only has 525kg nyttelast. How is that going to work when SVV specifies that 1 person is 75kg, are you not allowed to bring even a bottle of soda with you while driving if there is 6 passengers?
ถ้า tesla model 3 charge ที่ไทย 50 kWh มันจะเร็วเหมือนกันมั้ยครับ
Now there is a V3 Supercharger in Inverness, you should come over to Scotland and do the North Coast 500! Quick, before they close all the borders to Europe!
Dude, that Maxus session was glitchy weird. I would be interested to see another one (I know these aren't particularly easy to do, especially when you don't have easy access to the Vehicle).
All that being said, 400v nominal packs should now be the norm in EVs. 350v is okay, but you literally get 14% greater charge speed, just by going with a 400v nominal system. It's my understanding that all of the fast chargers are capable of 500v. Other than perhaps r&d and component prices, this should be a no brainer, and I'm glad there are already a few companies implementing it.
Charging curves are often very different from a constructor to another, and this is supposed to affect batteries life. Maybe some constructors use « security » curves to preserve durability, and others use « agressive » curves to minimise charging time, which is an important sales argument. And maybe some constructors have not optimised their charging curves because they don’t have enough experience. Perhaps we´ll see in the future if some batteries have more capacity loss then others or a shorter life...
CHARGE RACE!!! 😁
What! No MG? Was it not worthy or just forgotten? 🤦🏼♂️
Hi. Where did you got 43kWh nominal to Zoe?
ua-cam.com/video/2T7yTXm-07s/v-deo.html
Zoe displays only transmission consumption. Heating is excluted.
Well since no one is here yet, I figured I could say hi
Bjorn, but the Zoe doesn't have 43kWh!
I have the Zoe 50 and I have 72% battery with 229km of range remaining. If do the math I end up with a consumption of 163Wh/km. If I account for thr 28%, so that I have 100% battery then I end up with 51834Wh of capacity.
Who's taking bets?
Tesla wins again. great cars
Sounds like you are commenting a horse race :D
I got a lease on a e-Golf 2020 untill begin 2022.
I will switch back to gasoline car after that. The EV is perfect for daily drive. But 2 times a year i drive longer distances.
And then EV gets super annoying.
Its stupid that i complain about 2 times a year...because the rest of the year the EV is perfectly fine. But it takes too much preperation + planning. Its so annoying.
I woudnt have this at all with a gasoline car. And the chargers are getting full. I think i will have a mental collapse if i encounter a charger being occupied. I dont want to expierence this. I think EV is not ready yet. Even for city person like me who does 50 km a day.
if you get a tesla you would be addressing both of your problems with planning and charger availability
@@ZleFox I think so aswel but a Tesla costs 51k here in the Netherlands(Europe). Brand new. And there is no used Tesla on the market.
I can buy a 2 year old good Mercedes Benz or a Audi for around 25-30k (gasoline).
@@TA-uj7ez well, in 2 years the prices can go down. It is strange that the price for the cheapest one is 6k more expensive than in Germany.
@@ZleFox you can buy Toyota Aygo new for 10k or DACIA. I was calculating that for our family it would be best to have 2 EV cars and take a car for rent once a month we need to go somewhere far. Now we have EV + 15y old ICE (won't be able to use next year due to non-compliance EU norms in city)
No wonder the e-Golf is annoying over long distances. It's a city car. There are a number of EVs already between e-Golf and Tesla, some of them are also suitable for long distances.