Marcus Roshi won because he still had momentum from when he launches himself to punch Jiriya. Genjutsu doesn't bring you to a seperate world it just seperate's your conscious from your body
The last part was them just showing he resists illusion. The animated battle as stated by the creators is just the entertainment side. If you want exactly what would happen Roshi would have won in multiple stops. The Kamehameha would not have been stopped and with Roshis power and beam speed Jiraiya would have been dead multiple times.
A big thing that people misunderstand about the show. The fight at the end is just for fun to watch. It has nothing to do with the analysis. IE their actual assertion is that he wouldn't have been caught in the jutsu in the first place. They just had the fight go that way because it was funny and they thought people would like it. Which is also when they have mismatches (Like Boba fett vs Samus) They don't just have Samus kill him in 0.2 seconds even though with the speed difference that is what would happen.
Muten Roshi in this Death battle is mostly Dragon ball, Power level 139. Blowing up a mountain with Kameha wave is maximum power, which was 200, when in Dragonball Super he somehow by conquering perviness ,personal training & limit break he increases to SSJ?
@@embran8486 That is 100% wrong. They used feats from super in the video lol. He also blew up the moon in Dragon Ball. Your so misinformed lol His power is much higher than 139 else he would never be able to fight Freiza soldiers or do anything in the tourny. Lol your hilarious.
@@Ratchetfan321 I was in the middle of correcting my reply, but you beat me to it. Mostly Roshi is shown Dragonball wise, for sure in the actual animated battle. Honestly i wouldn't have inserted the Super part. It was stupid writing anyway. Again just for Super an increase between 139 PL(Dragonball - max Kamehameha blowing up the moon in 21st Budokai 200 PL to training in Super 55000 PL (that's beyond Jeice of Ginyu force) to exceeding his limit in buff form... 150 MILLION? First time Super Saiyan Goku? That's even for Dragon ball series standards RIDICULOUS! -_-
Martyaxvar 329 PL was enough for Piccolo to one-shot the moon And Roshi was 129 in base while relaxed, so a Full Power Kamehameha makes sense to destroy moon, which only the top tiers in Naruto reached by the end of the final arc
@@doubleace11554 I never doubted Roshi ability to destroy the moon, he did so in Dragonball with powerlevel 200, obviously Piccolo with 129 more. And yeah Naruto at his best could shatter parts of a mountain i guess (just like Ichigo in Bleach). I am in constant disbelief Roshi reaches SSJ level after just a strict training regime. Especially because he does so on himself, not with help of Gods. I mean up till King Kai Goku didn't reach that level in power on his own and now Roshi can?...please! -_-
you need to understand he did stop him but at mid-movement because in the fight against the 3 Paths Jiraiya if you noticed stop them but they didn't move but since Roshi move just because he was trapped doesn't mean that jutsu stop time it just stop the person not the movement in Roshi's case to clarify better MDG Entertainment.
Ironically, the manga is a bit more canon than the anime due to Dragon Ball starting off as an manga. Quite odd but according to the fanbase, Toriyama doesn't work on Anime Super as much as he does with Manga Super which is used heavily for the anime months before the manga is actually publish so Faux UI Roshi has more credibility than Kaioken Blue Goku oddly enough.
Roshi was hit whilst moving forward. Jiraiya should've moved. Unfortunately, Genjutsu doesn't stop a person's physical form. It messes with the mind... Sooo... He got Roshi in the Genjutsu, but that didn't stop Roshi's momentum. Which is why he blew Jiraiya out of the water. That, and the animations are mostly for entertainment. Well-animated, but still...
The Manga and Anime for Super have their own canon, so Roshi knocking on the door to UI is canon but only to the Manga. Lots of crazy stuff happens in the Manga..lol, Goku is even more broken in it.
The thing is he mastered rasengan but Minato made it and it took JIRIHA bout a while 4 or maybe more years to master it while Naruto mastered it in like 10 days
Genjutsu is basically another term for illusion attacks and Roshi has fought on more then one occasion against illusion powers and trust me I want Jirayai to win as well I'm more a Naruto fan then Dragon Ball
So your asking how Jiraya lost at the last moment 1. Roshi had way more speed than Jiraya when he enterd Buff mode 2. When Jiraya did that move Roshi in the real world was still going you need to know when you CHARGE on GROUND it will stop you from moving, but when in AIR it doesn't your body still goes.
I always thought ginjutsu was in your head so if you got hurt in the jutsu you got hurt for real so instead of him getting hurt his fist and speed still carried so it hit jariya and killed him
just a simple thing.. roshi's kamehameha is faster than jiraiya.. that thing alone can end the fight.. but they did jiraiya a service by countering it with big rasengan.. which is impossible if you ask me.. coz in DBS.. roshi one hit kamehameha a fighter in tournament of power.. one hit..
During the charging of Roshi's Kamehameha Jiraiya should be capable besting him. It does take a long time relatively vs. Jutsu. Actually only Goku, Gohan & I guess Gotenks can perform a Kamehameha almost instantly. I always felt during charging Roshi is vulnerable enough to either big attacks or small concentrated ones.
Martyaxvar Roshi's Durability is above Jiraiya's power Realistically this fight would be Roshi charging the Kamehameha while not even flinching from Jiraiya's attacks and GG
I dunno man naurto is just recently at the end even close to DBZ level of power, like who cares about someone who can control bugs dragon ball King piccolo that was probably as strong a ninja leader, who are suppose to be some of the strongest ninja out there, Piccolo said Raditz could move faster than the speed of light and he was weaker than a Saiaba man, and much as very few characters could ever hope to be a planet buster in any scale Freiza did it easily and he wasnt even a bench mark after a while. Yamcha could have beaten nearly any legendary ninja unless that some craft Genjustsu.
The problem is why did jiraya tap himself in his own ginjutsu the whole purpose of it was to trap your in an illusion and deal with the body plus what do they think ginjutsu is do they think jiraya's ginjutsu is the same as itachi tsukuyomi WTF!
I dont like their reasoning in this episode. In Goku vs Superman they said that DBZ heavily abused Cinematic Time, and used the example of Piccolo blowing up the moon. Then they turn around and use that as an example for Roshi's kameha wave.
It was clearly biased towards roshi (i mean i love roshi and jiraya) but jiraya would've won that easily Ok roshi has power (way more than jiraya may i add) But That last genjutsu was not only a normal genjutsu, it would've made him lose the strenght immediately and make roshi fall into the water and not go on with the punch, sooo yeah that last roshi punch was total BS, if u watch the fight that jiraya had against all the "pain's" you will know what im talking about, so yeah to me, jiraya won that fight, roshi would not have a chance, cause of the toad genjutsu, + sage mode has more tricks up his sleaves and they didn't even use those against roshi, but as i said those dudes are dragon ball biased (nothing against it, cause i love dragon ball a lot too) but yeah, when its bs its bs, but it is what it is, it was still a good video
But jiraya can stop the kamehameha with a rasengan? The fight is just for entertainment, if this was a real fight roshi wouldve ended it waaaaay before it got started
@@tcooper469 BS again, jiraya has more than enough power to stop the Kamehameha, cause roshi's kamehameha is weak. Im sorry, but if it was goku it would be over yes. ITs the same as u comparing the Naruto rasengan with jiraya rasengan, so yeah. its bs, jiraya rasengan and roshi Kamehameha are way more similar than u think, + jiraya can use rasengan in more ways than u can imagine, is faster and as more stamina + sage mode can destroy master roshi (and trust me, its not a bias opinion) i love master roshi as much as jiraya, so im spiting a fact man, research naruto a bit more, and jiraya character a bit more and u'll see whay im ralking about
@@HaruNaruu lololololol. Narutard, roshi wins easily. The percy sage is cool but roshi destroys zero difficulty. When in naruto has he shown a feat to destroy the moon? Exactly
@@treyvon2784 ohhh and just a thing, watch naruto last, if you wanna see a moon actually get almost destroyed by naruto base chakra (no sage or shit like that) :3 (it gets cut in half later by an attack that naruto can defend :3)
@@HaruNaruu that's in the last, where naruto would be hundreds of times stronger when he was in the war ark. The moon never actually got fully destroyed. And this is jiraya, he hasn't been shown to destroy several mountains. They also were using super roshi so yeah, low dif
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He didnt escape the illusion he got trapped in it yes but that didnt stop his body which was flying at the toad sage
Yes thank you, you explain it better then i can
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@@omegaplayz8334 thank you
Marcus Roshi won because he still had momentum from when he launches himself to punch Jiriya. Genjutsu doesn't bring you to a seperate world it just seperate's your conscious from your body
People shoudnt say this Anime is better than this One. It only Devides us apart.
The last part was them just showing he resists illusion. The animated battle as stated by the creators is just the entertainment side. If you want exactly what would happen Roshi would have won in multiple stops. The Kamehameha would not have been stopped and with Roshis power and beam speed Jiraiya would have been dead multiple times.
His soul was trapped but his body was still moving towards Jiraiya that's how he won
So basicly jirya used genjutsu and in the real world roshi was still swinging at him
Yes
It makes sense, but I kinda wish the Kamehameha vs Rasengan clash was the end of it
A big thing that people misunderstand about the show. The fight at the end is just for fun to watch. It has nothing to do with the analysis. IE their actual assertion is that he wouldn't have been caught in the jutsu in the first place. They just had the fight go that way because it was funny and they thought people would like it. Which is also when they have mismatches (Like Boba fett vs Samus) They don't just have Samus kill him in 0.2 seconds even though with the speed difference that is what would happen.
Then why do they say how he won at the end.🤦♂️
@@KillbotSw Because people want to know their explanation for why they had the character win-
Is that hard to believe? 🙁
DBZ on average is far beyond Naruto power wise. DBZ had CASUAL planet destroyers in the first arc.
Muten Roshi in this Death battle is mostly Dragon ball, Power level 139. Blowing up a mountain with Kameha wave is maximum power, which was 200, when in Dragonball Super he somehow by conquering perviness ,personal training & limit break he increases to SSJ?
@@embran8486 That is 100% wrong. They used feats from super in the video lol. He also blew up the moon in Dragon Ball. Your so misinformed lol His power is much higher than 139 else he would never be able to fight Freiza soldiers or do anything in the tourny. Lol your hilarious.
@@Ratchetfan321 I was in the middle of correcting my reply, but you beat me to it. Mostly Roshi is shown Dragonball wise, for sure in the actual animated battle. Honestly i wouldn't have inserted the Super part. It was stupid writing anyway.
Again just for Super an increase between 139 PL(Dragonball - max Kamehameha blowing up the moon in 21st Budokai 200 PL to training in Super 55000 PL (that's beyond Jeice of Ginyu force) to exceeding his limit in buff form... 150 MILLION? First time Super Saiyan Goku? That's even for Dragon ball series standards RIDICULOUS! -_-
Martyaxvar 329 PL was enough for Piccolo to one-shot the moon
And Roshi was 129 in base while relaxed, so a Full Power Kamehameha makes sense to destroy moon, which only the top tiers in Naruto reached by the end of the final arc
@@doubleace11554 I never doubted Roshi ability to destroy the moon, he did so in Dragonball with powerlevel 200, obviously Piccolo with 129 more. And yeah Naruto at his best could shatter parts of a mountain i guess (just like Ichigo in Bleach).
I am in constant disbelief Roshi reaches SSJ level after just a strict training regime. Especially because he does so on himself, not with help of Gods. I mean up till King Kai Goku didn't reach that level in power on his own and now Roshi can?...please! -_-
you need to understand he did stop him but at mid-movement because in the fight against the 3 Paths Jiraiya if you noticed stop them but they didn't move but since Roshi move just because he was trapped doesn't mean that jutsu stop time it just stop the person not the movement in Roshi's case to clarify better MDG Entertainment.
Ironically, the manga is a bit more canon than the anime due to Dragon Ball starting off as an manga. Quite odd but according to the fanbase, Toriyama doesn't work on Anime Super as much as he does with Manga Super which is used heavily for the anime months before the manga is actually publish so Faux UI Roshi has more credibility than Kaioken Blue Goku oddly enough.
The super anime was really trash compare to the manga.
His body was still flying at jiraiya, he was still in the genjutsu but that didnt stop his body from superman punching jiraiya
“They got something against Naruto people”
Naruto and Might Guy want to know your location
A man once said "once in motion always in motion"
Roshi was hit whilst moving forward. Jiraiya should've moved. Unfortunately, Genjutsu doesn't stop a person's physical form. It messes with the mind... Sooo... He got Roshi in the Genjutsu, but that didn't stop Roshi's momentum. Which is why he blew Jiraiya out of the water.
That, and the animations are mostly for entertainment. Well-animated, but still...
But still, Jiraya would've lost. Roshi can blow up the moon. Also what are Jiraya's attacks gonna do to this man?
@@frock3229 demon slayer sucks
if roshi had been frozen while just standing , hed have lost . but he was stopped while in forward motion
Rishi would of won like ten times if the power was accurate
@@jaceprince5385 cap
The Manga and Anime for Super have their own canon, so Roshi knocking on the door to UI is canon but only to the Manga. Lots of crazy stuff happens in the Manga..lol, Goku is even more broken in it.
The thing is he mastered rasengan but Minato made it and it took JIRIHA bout a while 4 or maybe more years to master it while Naruto mastered it in like 10 days
Yeah well goku learned khamehameha in roughly ten seconds, now that were at it
@@roronoazoro9706 ok
Genjutsu is basically another term for illusion attacks and Roshi has fought on more then one occasion against illusion powers and trust me I want Jirayai to win as well I'm more a Naruto fan then Dragon Ball
same
So your asking how Jiraya lost at the last moment
1. Roshi had way more speed than Jiraya when he enterd Buff mode
2. When Jiraya did that move Roshi in the real world was still going you need to know when you CHARGE on GROUND it will stop you from moving, but when in AIR it doesn't your body still goes.
I always thought ginjutsu was in your head so if you got hurt in the jutsu you got hurt for real so instead of him getting hurt his fist and speed still carried so it hit jariya and killed him
It took goku less than ten minutes to learn the kamihamiha wave.
I think they explained it as roshi’s momentum was still in effect
I feel like the last genjustu attack was something jiraya wouldn't do. That attack to me was plain stupid
I think roshi but I like jiriya tho...
just a simple thing.. roshi's kamehameha is faster than jiraiya.. that thing alone can end the fight.. but they did jiraiya a service by countering it with big rasengan.. which is impossible if you ask me..
coz in DBS.. roshi one hit kamehameha a fighter in tournament of power.. one hit..
During the charging of Roshi's Kamehameha Jiraiya should be capable besting him. It does take a long time relatively vs. Jutsu. Actually only Goku, Gohan & I guess Gotenks can perform a Kamehameha almost instantly. I always felt during charging Roshi is vulnerable enough to either big attacks or small concentrated ones.
Martyaxvar Roshi's Durability is above Jiraiya's power
Realistically this fight would be Roshi charging the Kamehameha while not even flinching from Jiraiya's attacks and GG
Yurie 「ユリエ」 I think a giant rasengan can Block it
Y’all making it seem like he weak
@@isabelladejesus556 he is to roshi
I recommend watching Wolverine vs Raiden.
The Roshi thing is actually canon about amulating Ultra Instinct seeing it's from the Manga, the anime changed it
The Manga came second tho, IT was the one that changed it
I was salty a lil bit then I understand why he lost..
same ;-;
I dunno man naurto is just recently at the end even close to DBZ level of power, like who cares about someone who can control bugs dragon ball King piccolo that was probably as strong a ninja leader, who are suppose to be some of the strongest ninja out there, Piccolo said Raditz could move faster than the speed of light and he was weaker than a Saiaba man, and much as very few characters could ever hope to be a planet buster in any scale Freiza did it easily and he wasnt even a bench mark after a while. Yamcha could have beaten nearly any legendary ninja unless that some craft Genjustsu.
Goku’s power level was 2 when he was a baby the regular adult human power level was 5
The problem is why did jiraya tap himself in his own ginjutsu the whole purpose of it was to trap your in an illusion and deal with the body plus what do they think ginjutsu is do they think jiraya's ginjutsu is the same as itachi tsukuyomi WTF!
Well the manga and anime for Dragon ball Super have different canons soooooooo
I think Roshi won fair and square
he could have used krillins drunken fist
You should try Fred Jones vs. Astolfo!
They did naruto vs indigo which is a very good one sir
Nice react to naruto and sasuke rap
"I'm salty."
Welcome to the death battle fanbase
Anytime a Naruto character loses
@@loftywastaken2386 dont disrespect naruto or naruto shippuden idc if u disrespect boruto but naruto and u gotta catch hands
Mdg, the manga and the anime are both different canon's
The ending:he could’ve use afterimage jutsu
afterimage jutsu? They NEVER use that in Naruto, (unless i'm mistaken) Its a dragon ball thing!
after image jutsu that funny they use after image only in dbz
lool
Mindy Bolton I was gonna say Kage bushin no justsu then I got the 2 mixed up
Frock I was gonna say Kage bushin no justsu then I got the 2 mixed up
That's just shows Dragon ball is better🔥
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just because he beats him dosent mean dragon ball better I admit dbz or dbs was the good but don't disrespect other things just because of ur opinon
no way bro thought roshi was winning this all imma say is dragon is a completely different world when compared to naruto
I go with roshi ngl. Roshi is way stronger in my opinion
You should watch seththeprogrammers debunk on this. It's really good
He doesnt have a video on this.
@@Ratchetfan321 oh shit he took it down
Balrog vs. TJ Combo
I dont like their reasoning in this episode. In Goku vs Superman they said that DBZ heavily abused Cinematic Time, and used the example of Piccolo blowing up the moon. Then they turn around and use that as an example for Roshi's kameha wave.
It was clearly biased towards roshi (i mean i love roshi and jiraya) but jiraya would've won that easily
Ok roshi has power (way more than jiraya may i add)
But That last genjutsu was not only a normal genjutsu, it would've made him lose the strenght immediately and make roshi fall into the water and not go on with the punch, sooo yeah that last roshi punch was total BS, if u watch the fight that jiraya had against all the "pain's" you will know what im talking about, so yeah to me, jiraya won that fight, roshi would not have a chance, cause of the toad genjutsu, + sage mode has more tricks up his sleaves and they didn't even use those against roshi, but as i said those dudes are dragon ball biased (nothing against it, cause i love dragon ball a lot too) but yeah, when its bs its bs, but it is what it is, it was still a good video
But jiraya can stop the kamehameha with a rasengan? The fight is just for entertainment, if this was a real fight roshi wouldve ended it waaaaay before it got started
@@tcooper469 BS again, jiraya has more than enough power to stop the Kamehameha, cause roshi's kamehameha is weak.
Im sorry, but if it was goku it would be over yes.
ITs the same as u comparing the Naruto rasengan with jiraya rasengan, so yeah. its bs, jiraya rasengan and roshi Kamehameha are way more similar than u think, + jiraya can use rasengan in more ways than u can imagine, is faster and as more stamina + sage mode can destroy master roshi (and trust me, its not a bias opinion) i love master roshi as much as jiraya, so im spiting a fact man, research naruto a bit more, and jiraya character a bit more and u'll see whay im ralking about
@@HaruNaruu lololololol. Narutard, roshi wins easily. The percy sage is cool but roshi destroys zero difficulty. When in naruto has he shown a feat to destroy the moon? Exactly
@@treyvon2784 ohhh and just a thing, watch naruto last, if you wanna see a moon actually get almost destroyed by naruto base chakra (no sage or shit like that) :3 (it gets cut in half later by an attack that naruto can defend :3)
@@HaruNaruu that's in the last, where naruto would be hundreds of times stronger when he was in the war ark. The moon never actually got fully destroyed. And this is jiraya, he hasn't been shown to destroy several mountains. They also were using super roshi so yeah, low dif
Roshi won
Hi
dragon ball is just way stronger then naruto
Hajimeme not completely true
idk why but im not a big fan of roshi and Dragon ball z
Toxic lol same man
Toxic I loveeeeeeeee your emblem
It is Canyon what roshi did in the manga
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