Hi Optimum Tech, you said in the video replacing the stock pads could improve the glide. I wanted to know with what pads did you replace yours, specifically what pads did you use on the Superlight at 3:00. Are they CorePads, Tiger Ice, Tiger Arcs or are they something entirely else?
Not really related to this video but I think it would be cool if you wold do an undervolt alder lake guide since it's a different architecture and your last intel undervolting guide seems to be a few years old
Switched from G502 Hero to GPX superlight, and man it was the best decision ever. The lightweight of GPX makes so much difference in FPS games. And it's great for different types of grip, you can experiment a lot with it. Nice review, thanks Optimum Tech!
I went to it from the Viper Ultimate and there is no contest. Tracking and hip fire is just so much better, the weight is superb and it absolutely destroys it in battery life.
Forward placed sensors will murder you quicker than the opposition in a tac shooter like Valorant. Zowie EC, some Steelseries and here we have Logitech also smartly implementing a central/slightly further back placement, allowing for the slightly but vital, higher margin of error in wrist arc aim distance. Like when Mr Haus Beard of Finland confusedly said with the GPX he always found himself having to lower sensitivity. (SLIGHTLY forward sensor)
Super high quality review as always, and I have to point out that insight you gave us about the sensor positioning and how it would affect in practical use. That's so relevant to the buyer, and that shows how you've been owning the review game lately.
For me, being someone who has been buying every damn light weight gaming mouse out there for the past few years, including the new Starlight-12 from Finalmouse, I have to say that this mouse is an absolute game changer personally. I have finally been able to end what felt like an endless, money pit search for my "endgame" mouse. I can confidently say without any doubt in my mind that this mouse is the best mouse for me. It has considerably improved my aim due to a significant increase in control I have over my mouse movements. What mice were lacking for my grip style was "width" and "specific angles" for consistency and confidence in my mouse grip. Every time I lay my hands on this mouse my hands know exactly how to grip the mouse in a specific way that feels comfortable and natural for me while increasing my accuracy.
I bought it just because I already use a claw/fingertip hybrid grip. I gotta say, easily the most comfortable and best mouse I've ever owned. I love it. Tried going back to my Superlight just to see how it felt, and it just felt weird in my hand.
Me too play claw/fingertip and after 1 month using G303 shroud i buyed razer viper mini because i feel like a playing brick when using g303 shroud and have better scores in aim lab when i using razer viper mini in first day lol. How u play now? Still G303 Shroud?
@@shadowhook5669 This is the god mouse if you are primarily a wrist aimer using mouse acceleration and playing at high sensitivity, it offers the best grip and stability for that type of aimers, probably a hard pass if you play on very low sensitivity and use your arm alot.
Great review O.T as always. I Just ordered my copy from Best Buy the other day, just had to try it. The shape is super unique to me, & honestly, not completely sure if it would even suite my grip style, with my weird relaxed claw/fingertip hybrid grip (Med-hands) at 1600Dpi. I'm using the SuperlightX as my main, I have G203 and that's the closest I shape that comes to the G303 so been using that lately so when my G303 comes It would be easier for me to adjust. It is steep price tag at $130, or actually $140 total =/ with that extra Shroudy tax, but Imo is justified with Logitech's 25K Hero sensor and their amazing L-battery they use. Love how G303's Ptfe feet have that large surface area, but would probably switch them out with some Core Pads or Tiger Ice feet & slap on some BT.L grips from LGG when they come out, but at the end of the day it will all come down to how the Shape of the 303 will fit in my hand. You can buy all the latest & greatest gear for your FPS but that alone will wont level up your skill & fine tune that muscle memory for those nazzty wall bang head flickerino's. They just only complement your skill. Train hard, win easy. Frag on carry on.
Really excited for the starlight review. Would love to see how it does in terms of latency/metrics against the other mice. LOD is surprisingly low as well.
honestly, I wish they updated the G305 with intern battery and better sensor and such. I tried the G Pro and my hand would just cramp every time G303 is probs also too big for my smoll hands
I'm so lucky i got the superlight for 60 bucks brand new a couple of weeks back. I was maining the viper mini, served me well, but that superlight is somethning else man. Love it. I would pick this up but I'll way for the price to drop to be honest. I'm enjoying the superlight at the moment.
The most important thing about getting a new mouse is the shape, most mice have a great response time so that does not matter that much. If buying a new mouse I would look at shape, then durability, and then weight. GPX is the safest mouse so if you can’t pick one then just get the GPX
Could you test the mouse Pulsar Xlite Wireless, which is a more ergo mouse. Would be interesting to get your take on that mouse. Great review btw, I liked the old g303.
How does receiver placement affect latency? Is there a noticeable benefit when using a receiver extender vs having it directly in your PC? How have you been using the receiver in all your tests?
I am a hardcore FPS player so the sensor is the second most important thing after the shape of the mouse. Some mouse brands do not optimize the sensor, so the LOD ( lift of distance ) is quite high, typically the Razer. I used to use Razer DA v2, Razer Viper, Viper mini and their LOD is higher than 2mm ( 2 DVDs ). When I lift of the mouse to refresh the position of mousepad surface, its still tracking even both sensor and the mouse don't touch the mousepad. In my opinion, PixArt sensor on Zowie mice and HERO sensor on Logitech gaming mice is the ultimate weapon for FPS gamers at the moment. The LOD is perfect, it's just under 1.2mm or 1mm 😁
@@danieledwards2819 one of the most underrated things for sure, I've been using g102 and mm720 , the LOD were so low and now I'm using viper mini it feels weird with double the LOD, still can't get used to it
You can think of it as a circle. Your wrist is the center of the circle since that's where your mouse pivots from, and the distance between the sensor and your wrist would be the radius. A longer "radius" would mean the "arc" the mouse sensor travels is longer as well.
@@danieledwards2819 I just bought viper mini and I feel like the LOD doesn’t matter that much since it doesn’t affect me when I refresh the mouse position
@@lijhay2889 Yeah cuz it also depends on which style are u playing. I always lift it for repositioning of my comfort zone of the mousepad so thats why the LOD is really important.
Finally a new version of my beloved g303 daedalus apex! I bought it instantly. For me this has the best shape of all the gaming mice i ever tested. And finally no more soldering and repairing of my old g303 which was out of stock for years. Feels like Christmas for me. - Happy Gaming!
I loved my G302 Daedalus Prime, the original one and predecessor of G303 Daedalus Apex. It's meant for the agressive claw grip and plays well with MOBAs especially. I do believe they made improvements with the Shroud edition by extending the width and height which I do believe will make it more comfortable. Still, with this mouse you're able to react faster than a normal relaxed palm grip. It is definitely great for eSports.
i got the g303 about 6 months ago because of my terrible mouse grip that relied on 3 fingers on my mousepad and forced me to use a better more ergonomic grip, and about three months in i spilled sprite all over it. When the sprite finally took a toll on the mouse and it stopped working, i bought a g305 as a quick cheap replacement and it made me realize i can never use another mouse again. the g303 is such a unique mouse that if you like it you cant use anything else ever again
I tried the 303 for about two weeks and came back to the superlight. It's cool and might be perfect for a small portion of the population. But the mouse feels awful unless I'm in a very specific grip and it's not very relaxed. Feels clunky and aggressive when I compare it to the superlight. 19.5x9.5 ftr.
It the same like me 19,5x9,5. I buyed this g303 shroud because i read is best mouse for claw grips etc. And maybe is convenient in hand for grip but i feel playing like a brick. After using 1 month this g303 shroud i buyed Razer viper mini and my scores in 1 day in aim labs is better :/ xd Even though the mouse is very agile, I feel like it could be a little bigger so i try to test Razer Viper Ultimate or Razer Viper 8khz. Because i use too often fingertip when i using viper mini. Mouse for claw grip should be a narrow because grip need to be a confident for precision. G303 shroud it comercial shit for kids
THANK GOD LOGITECH YES! For those who think it's a weird shape, try holding one in your hand. I especially recommend this shape for people who hate mouse shapes that flares out at the front (right and left click buttons) i.e. most of Razer's mouse lineup. I've been using the G302 Daedalus Prime for years and have been wishing they'd make a wireless version of it. The shape, weird as it is, fits my grip perfectly.
Try the G703. Same shape as the MDW, grips on the side, way better battery life, and you don't have to worry about spilling anything into the mouse on accident.
im interested because ive found the g900/903 to be th emost comfortable because they slope inward on the sides toward the front like the g303 shroud. idk why, but the g903 shape was perfect for me.
I have loved G303 shape since the G302 came out and I tried it. But the Shroud version is much better still with a more pronounced rear for better control still with your palm. And the old G302/303 were amazing in that regard. For me SO FAR - I just got it 5 days ago, but the feel and performance of the G303 Shroud is a 9.5/10 - best mouse ever so far
dude you are more skilled at apex than some of the "pros" I've seen sick aim and tracking, absolutely crazy stuff hope you are reviewing the roccat pro cone air wireless in your top mice at the end of the year list
The superlight is still top dawg bur the hyperx haste wireless is really good sleeper with similar shape but some nice upgrades out the box. May have to try this one. Wish they would update the superlight too
Could you test Razer Deathadded V2 Pro Wireless? here, its priced almost identically with Viper Ultimate and they're quite different but I was wondering if the latency is similar and in general, your thoughts
I'm only half decent at video games. I have bought all of the best mice on the market including super light and noticed no difference. Best thing I did was aim training which did improve my aim for the time I did it, nowadays is pretty mediocre.
I've tried to like the GPX Superlight but the front of the mouse is just too high. I have large hands a claw grip and prefer something with a lot lower profile. The GPX is also super slippery until your hands warm up because the shape is just so pill-like.
Yep, that's my problem with the G Pro and Superlight. I end up getting fatigue because of the front of the mouse being high. Did you find a mouse you like?
Despite its angular shape, I found the original G303 mouse (it was wired) to be quite comfortable to use and worked well with my hybrid grip. Right now the Logitech G305 and Razer Orochi V2 are my current go to mice for the most part (I have a few other wireless mice from Razer and Logitech) with the Orochi winning out on overall feel of the buttons. If the wireless G303 feels far less mushy than the G305 then this will be an instant buy for me and the G305 can go to on the second hand market or Good Will or whatever.
Hold my like. Optimum, you God, I will keep posting this for eternity until you will do it :)). Please do a video about latency of keyboards, comparing customs to off the shelf ones. I know is pretty hard to do, but you have the knowledge and the tools. This is so needed in my opinion because I don't think I'm the only one that cares about performance on different keyboards, I will switch to customs as fast as possible if I know they don't have higher latency.
@@Bogescianu your comment isn’t worth liking. they do have a few customs such as keychron and the drop keyboards but are funded by customers so are limited. Also most custom keyboards are 125hz polling so it’s obvious they have higher input
@@a4n331 bro, go for a walk. When I say customs I mean customs not half assed. He looks for a competitive edge and I'm curious to see his take on this topic. Your point is still null. I'm sorry to tell you but you didn't enlightened me with rtings. I follow rtings for years and years, they are the best at what they do but this topic is not covered regarding customs.
I got an idea for you- You could play Apex (or any other game) with some of your subs and talk about certain things in tech, their hardware, what they like and don't like about it, etc. Kind of like a soft podcast but whilst playing a competitive game. Would be cool to have that as weekly vid or something! If you like this idea, I'm down to run some Apex games - Love from a fan from London, U.K
Its interesting that you say the g303 is more suited to larger hands, since to me it looks noticeably smaller than the superlight. I have quite small hands so this is usually a big determining factor for me.
Amazing review, thanks for that quality content. I bought a G303 and totally love it, i guess i got the hand size and grip for it. I see why some ppl will hate it tho.
@@Ekstreman I have never tried anything but palm gripping and well idk maybe claw frippi g is for me but it feels so irrittating on my mouse the redragong m7 griffin
@@NotFaderx my advice is to try it out for a few days. If a friend got it, to try it. But i bet anyone can get used to it. It is my first mouse as this too
Hey you should do a review on the HyperX pulsefirehaste, HyperX mice before were pretty bad but this one had incredible value. Other than that great vid
he made a review on that like months ago, maybe even years ago (i forgot). he named it a "top tier mouse", you only heard of the haste now because it used to have qc and sensor issues
I have the superlight and bought the g303 to see how it is. IMO the g303 is a great mice but its not the shape you want. Its a bit larger and wider. The corners are aggressive but you can grip it pretty good. You must have a medium to large hand to use the g303. But overall great mice
I've had it for months and was in love, never aimed better, but lately my hand started to hurt, it's an insane aggresive shape. I loved it but had to go back to GPWX only because of that.
Was considering getting it but I'm a fingertip player. I have a superlight with modded feet and its very good one year later. The only thing I wish it had was a dpi button which I switch a lot depending on the game and switch back to google chrome.
For starters your reviews are our hands down the best. To to the point, no fluff love it. I will say that the AAA mice seem to be lacking on some basic things. At that price point they should have the best feet, and switches.
I saw that you can replace the battery in the g303 for a new one to cut the weight, considering you do quite a few mod videos i thought it would be really cool if you did one for the 303! (Esp since I’d watch it to do myself after mine arrives)
Can I change the DPI button to act as mouse wheel click through the software? I prefer to have an extra button I can use to bind stuff to, rather than having a DPI cycle button I'm never going to use.
7:14 ... Genuine question- So would you say that switching between mice for different games is bad for consistency? I use a Rival 5 for league because I love using the side buttons. But whenever I play fps I switch to my other mouse. Could switching between the two cause inconsistency that I'm not noticing?
Waiting on my starlight 12 phantom as well. They might have fixed my main concern with the weight of clicks feeling too hard to press by going with the kailh switches. I found myself moving my mouse accidentally by trying to click on the older omrons. They felt really good, but it made my aim worse. Also got a medium size this time around instead of the small I had last time, so hopefully it fits my larger hands better. Excited for the results of that when it arrives for you and I
tried the 303 wireless for a day and my thumb is really sore. i guess i’m more of a fingertip grip user so the claw grip that the mouse forced me into was super uncomfortable. used my superlight for the rest of the night and felt so much less strain
yea seems like the 303 is for a more aggressive player but i guess that’s what you have to do if you’re trying hard. if you just want to play for fun it’s probably not a good choice
The g303 shape is awesome but the side buttons are too far forward for my small hands. Ended up switching back to the superlight as I got sick of having to stretch my thumb super far to hit the front side button. (16 by 8 hands)
I just bought the G Pro X Superlight on Black Friday for just 78€. Love it. I hated the wire in my G-Wolves Hati although it is one of the better sleeved cables out there. I was back to normal performance (Aimlab Gridshot score of 80k, acc. 96%) pretty quickly.
unless your a SHROUD FAN or the mice fits your hand perfectly, this is NOT worth the $130 asking price for a glorified 303 adding wireless and shroud name on it
@@StarcraftSwarm yeah for that price or price range go for gpx superlight or even a rvu i personally have both rvu got broken on accident replace with gpx
This may be the mouse to replace my Viper Ultimate. I'm so tired of this mouse. It's creaky, the dock almost never charges the mouse without something propping it up at the "correct" angle, the side buttons don't work sometimes without a good smack against the frame. Honestly, I regret getting the Viper as a whole.
I find it funny that people think buying stuff with peoples names on it there going to be the next star ⭐️ ,unless it has my boys name optimum tech get ready to be the next big star
I'm currently using an Aerox 3 (the original version, with the smaller skates, not the updated one), and since I have large-ish hands and that I use a claw grip for gaming, this mouse doesn't seem half bad really. I was hloding off for a Superlight cause come on, micro USB? That migh not be of a concern for a lot of people but it definetly is to me. I'll see if the price is right where I live, and will maybe switch, i don't know yet
For how little it needs charging, micro USB isn't a dealbreaker. However, it's less alluring that the G303 because you don't need to stuff as many cables in the draw.
you'd be surprised actually. I switched from the Razer Deathadder Chroma to the original G303 once and man did I love that mouse for palm grip sadly my original 303 got double clicking within 6 months and I found myself going to the G403 back to the ergo shape until that too got double clicks. At that point I switched to the Razer Deathadder Elite and the clicks felt bat to me at that point so I switched to the Glorious Model O then the O- had issues with both scroll wheels (adhesive wore off and the rubber free turned essentially). At that point I got the Deathadder V2, loved it but the clicks felt even muchier. Got convinced to get the G pro wireless and used it for 9 months up until 2 weeks ago when I realized the G Pro Wireless doesn't agree with a relaxed palm grip. My ring and pinky knuckles would start hurting like crazy after long gaming sessions so I found myself hating the mouse in the end but I'm now on the G703. My hand no longer hurts, the mouse has a medium weight (95G) so I'm more accustomed to it, and best of all my snappy insane flick aim has returned to me.
So your wrist rests 1 centimeter above the desk on a pad if u use hard mat, and 0.5 centimeter if u use soft mat. I have it, it is not used for 2 months in the wardrobe
Played with the G303 on stream ---> ua-cam.com/video/qrn6bJZZ1YI/v-deo.html
Hi Optimum Tech, you said in the video replacing the stock pads could improve the glide. I wanted to know with what pads did you replace yours, specifically what pads did you use on the Superlight at 3:00. Are they CorePads, Tiger Ice, Tiger Arcs or are they something entirely else?
did they give you any indicator on when it'll be available locally in Australia?
Can we cooperate? Friend, we can send you many hifi products free sample, do you have interest??????????
Not really related to this video but I think it would be cool if you wold do an undervolt alder lake guide since it's a different architecture and your last intel undervolting guide seems to be a few years old
@@dannybeteran3358 scam
Don't let this mouse distract you from the fact that he gets 3ms ping in Apex 🗿
I'm confused, can someone elaborate on this?
@@jwlafferty i am too
@@jwlafferty apex legends, it's a game the original commenter is saying he's getting 3 ping in that game which is very impressive and is really good
I get 180ms
One might say his ping is, optimal
Switched from G502 Hero to GPX superlight, and man it was the best decision ever. The lightweight of GPX makes so much difference in FPS games. And it's great for different types of grip, you can experiment a lot with it. Nice review, thanks Optimum Tech!
I went to it from the Viper Ultimate and there is no contest. Tracking and hip fire is just so much better, the weight is superb and it absolutely destroys it in battery life.
Now open it up up, mod it and take out 10g👀
Same, the g502 feels so heavy now :(
Haha from a brick to feather
A really good wired option is the HyperX haste, for fps and even for clicking methods like minecraft
I love your contents and how you deliver it. No open-mouth thumbnail, no clickbait title, in-depth analysis with beautiful camera angles. Big love!
Your mice and screen reviews are always on another level. Thanks for the detailed review and catching small details such as sensor placement.
Forward placed sensors will murder you quicker than the opposition in a tac shooter like Valorant. Zowie EC, some Steelseries and here we have Logitech also smartly implementing a central/slightly further back placement, allowing for the slightly but vital, higher margin of error in wrist arc aim distance. Like when Mr Haus Beard of Finland confusedly said with the GPX he always found himself having to lower sensitivity. (SLIGHTLY forward sensor)
I absolutely love your Apex gameplay used as B-roll. You should make a year end compilation of the best Apex plays!
Super high quality review as always, and I have to point out that insight you gave us about the sensor positioning and how it would affect in practical use. That's so relevant to the buyer, and that shows how you've been owning the review game lately.
Picked up the superlight for 99€ and it's pretty good, I prefer the shape of the g703 though. Hope they make a superlight version of it.
I bought the G703 lightspeed for 75 € and im am fine with it.
Im also switch from g703, i Miss additional middle button but weight is worth it
I weight reduced my g403 to 54 grams because I loved the shape so much. It was so worth it, endgame mouse.
For me, being someone who has been buying every damn light weight gaming mouse out there for the past few years, including the new Starlight-12 from Finalmouse, I have to say that this mouse is an absolute game changer personally. I have finally been able to end what felt like an endless, money pit search for my "endgame" mouse. I can confidently say without any doubt in my mind that this mouse is the best mouse for me. It has considerably improved my aim due to a significant increase in control I have over my mouse movements. What mice were lacking for my grip style was "width" and "specific angles" for consistency and confidence in my mouse grip. Every time I lay my hands on this mouse my hands know exactly how to grip the mouse in a specific way that feels comfortable and natural for me while increasing my accuracy.
What grip do you use?
@@baltasss claw
I have a $20 "pictek" gaming mouse. Should be a considerable upgrade lmao
Still is?
The Optimum Tech Collab would beat The Shroud Collab
Now that is a mice I would die for get no matter the price.
no cap
Nahhh, i like Optimum tech but shroud is on different level. Don't start unnecessary comparisons and hate please. Lets keep it civil.
@@DEANluxray Hate? There is no hate, just opinions.
@@DEANluxray exaggerated much? Chill dude.
I NEVER get tired of Ali’s apex highlights
I bought it just because I already use a claw/fingertip hybrid grip. I gotta say, easily the most comfortable and best mouse I've ever owned. I love it. Tried going back to my Superlight just to see how it felt, and it just felt weird in my hand.
Me too play claw/fingertip and after 1 month using G303 shroud i buyed razer viper mini because i feel like a playing brick when using g303 shroud and have better scores in aim lab when i using razer viper mini in first day lol. How u play now? Still G303 Shroud?
@@shadowhook5669 the viper mini hits such a sweetspot for me, kinda blows me away.
@@shadowhook5669 This is the god mouse if you are primarily a wrist aimer using mouse acceleration and playing at high sensitivity, it offers the best grip and stability for that type of aimers, probably a hard pass if you play on very low sensitivity and use your arm alot.
just the comment i was looking for, thanks dude. I'm getting it!
I've been waiting for this exact comparison since release, thank you!
Great review O.T as always. I Just ordered my copy from Best Buy the other day, just had to try it. The shape is super unique to me, & honestly, not completely sure if it would even suite my grip style, with my weird relaxed claw/fingertip hybrid grip (Med-hands) at 1600Dpi. I'm using the SuperlightX as my main, I have G203 and that's the closest I shape that comes to the G303 so been using that lately so when my G303 comes It would be easier for me to adjust. It is steep price tag at $130, or actually $140 total =/ with that extra Shroudy tax, but Imo is justified with Logitech's 25K Hero sensor and their amazing L-battery they use. Love how G303's Ptfe feet have that large surface area, but would probably switch them out with some Core Pads or Tiger Ice feet & slap on some BT.L grips from LGG when they come out, but at the end of the day it will all come down to how the Shape of the 303 will fit in my hand. You can buy all the latest & greatest gear for your FPS but that alone will wont level up your skill & fine tune that muscle memory for those nazzty wall bang head flickerino's. They just only complement your skill. Train hard, win easy. Frag on carry on.
i cringed at the end
@@Glenn056 so did i
@@sultanaireen7945 me too 😂😂
really nice and detailed review, that b roll shot at 0:19 absolutely blew my mind, I don't understand how that shot was made but it goes off
Can't really justify the price tag considering the options available on the market nowadays unless you really like the shape.
for$30?
@@007bromancer it's $130
Fully agree. There are way too many good mice at 100 and under.
Really excited for the starlight review. Would love to see how it does in terms of latency/metrics against the other mice. LOD is surprisingly low as well.
Lmao your technique at 7:22 was so satisfying to watch!
Thanks for this great review.
Will buy this as soon as they make a non shroud version.
Will they , though?
Hate Shroud? Why?
@@robotsix6268 Hate, really? How about I just don’t want to pay “shroud tax”?
@@StarcraftSwarm If they don’t, that’s alright.
Highly unlikely since he designed it. The original is the non shroud version
honestly, I wish they updated the G305 with intern battery and better sensor and such. I tried the G Pro and my hand would just cramp every time G303 is probs also too big for my smoll hands
I'm so lucky i got the superlight for 60 bucks brand new a couple of weeks back. I was maining the viper mini, served me well, but that superlight is somethning else man. Love it. I would pick this up but I'll way for the price to drop to be honest. I'm enjoying the superlight at the moment.
The G Pro X superlight?
@@maggi98mw yes that's what he said
Got it for 130 but still no regrets. Greatest mouse I’ve had for FPS games.
How the hell did you even find someone selling a gpx for 60 bucks!?!?
The most important thing about getting a new mouse is the shape, most mice have a great response time so that does not matter that much. If buying a new mouse I would look at shape, then durability, and then weight. GPX is the safest mouse so if you can’t pick one then just get the GPX
Awesome review. Your videos are the best out there for this kind of stuff. Really appreciate all the hard work. Keep it up!
Used a G403 for 4 years now, and ordered myself the G303 as an upgrade. The quirks of the G303 are more suited to my needs than the Superlight.
hey mate i also use a G403 for many years! Did you like the G303? i am more of a finger-grip myself!
Could you test the mouse Pulsar Xlite Wireless, which is a more ergo mouse. Would be interesting to get your take on that mouse. Great review btw, I liked the old g303.
How does receiver placement affect latency? Is there a noticeable benefit when using a receiver extender vs having it directly in your PC? How have you been using the receiver in all your tests?
Yes you would feel a significant difference and it makes the signal more prone to interference the further away it is.
I believe Logitech recommends you have the cable connected to the PC with the receiver connected to the cable, as close to the mouse as possible.
I didn't really notice the sensor alignment would affect my gameplay
I am a hardcore FPS player so the sensor is the second most important thing after the shape of the mouse. Some mouse brands do not optimize the sensor, so the LOD ( lift of distance ) is quite high, typically the Razer. I used to use Razer DA v2, Razer Viper, Viper mini and their LOD is higher than 2mm ( 2 DVDs ). When I lift of the mouse to refresh the position of mousepad surface, its still tracking even both sensor and the mouse don't touch the mousepad. In my opinion, PixArt sensor on Zowie mice and HERO sensor on Logitech gaming mice is the ultimate weapon for FPS gamers at the moment. The LOD is perfect, it's just under 1.2mm or 1mm 😁
@@danieledwards2819 one of the most underrated things for sure, I've been using g102 and mm720 , the LOD were so low and now I'm using viper mini it feels weird with double the LOD, still can't get used to it
You can think of it as a circle. Your wrist is the center of the circle since that's where your mouse pivots from, and the distance between the sensor and your wrist would be the radius. A longer "radius" would mean the "arc" the mouse sensor travels is longer as well.
@@danieledwards2819 I just bought viper mini and I feel like the LOD doesn’t matter that much since it doesn’t affect me when I refresh the mouse position
@@lijhay2889 Yeah cuz it also depends on which style are u playing. I always lift it for repositioning of my comfort zone of the mousepad so thats why the LOD is really important.
Finally a new version of my beloved g303 daedalus apex! I bought it instantly. For me this has the best shape of all the gaming mice i ever tested. And finally no more soldering and repairing of my old g303 which was out of stock for years. Feels like Christmas for me. - Happy Gaming!
Super nice video dude !!! Your apex videos looks so fast !!! What monitor are you using to game at the moment ?
Old G302 was my main CS:GO mouse. I wanted to get the old G303, but it was out of stock pretty much everywhere. 8 years later, here we are.
I loved my G302 Daedalus Prime, the original one and predecessor of G303 Daedalus Apex. It's meant for the agressive claw grip and plays well with MOBAs especially. I do believe they made improvements with the Shroud edition by extending the width and height which I do believe will make it more comfortable. Still, with this mouse you're able to react faster than a normal relaxed palm grip. It is definitely great for eSports.
i got the g303 about 6 months ago because of my terrible mouse grip that relied on 3 fingers on my mousepad and forced me to use a better more ergonomic grip, and about three months in i spilled sprite all over it. When the sprite finally took a toll on the mouse and it stopped working, i bought a g305 as a quick cheap replacement and it made me realize i can never use another mouse again. the g303 is such a unique mouse that if you like it you cant use anything else ever again
I tried the 303 for about two weeks and came back to the superlight. It's cool and might be perfect for a small portion of the population. But the mouse feels awful unless I'm in a very specific grip and it's not very relaxed. Feels clunky and aggressive when I compare it to the superlight. 19.5x9.5 ftr.
ye i like wired mice so im probably gonna go for the g302, the grip isnt bad if you get used to it, have fun with your mouse.
It the same like me 19,5x9,5. I buyed this g303 shroud because i read is best mouse for claw grips etc. And maybe is convenient in hand for grip but i feel playing like a brick. After using 1 month this g303 shroud i buyed Razer viper mini and my scores in 1 day in aim labs is better :/ xd Even though the mouse is very agile, I feel like it could be a little bigger so i try to test Razer Viper Ultimate or Razer Viper 8khz. Because i use too often fingertip when i using viper mini. Mouse for claw grip should be a narrow because grip need to be a confident for precision. G303 shroud it comercial shit for kids
THANK GOD LOGITECH YES!
For those who think it's a weird shape, try holding one in your hand. I especially recommend this shape for people who hate mouse shapes that flares out at the front (right and left click buttons) i.e. most of Razer's mouse lineup. I've been using the G302 Daedalus Prime for years and have been wishing they'd make a wireless version of it. The shape, weird as it is, fits my grip perfectly.
I had a daedalus prime in the past, and really love it. Now im striving for this shroud one.
As someone who pretty much exclusively uses a palm grip, I'd say the glorious MDW is still the best option for me
Try the G703. Same shape as the MDW, grips on the side, way better battery life, and you don't have to worry about spilling anything into the mouse on accident.
@@murdox560 heavier
i am rocking g305 after I watched your top 5 wireless gaming mice
Great review. I tried the new G303 Shroud mouse, but wasn’t impressive enough to pull me away from my G Pro X .
im interested because ive found the g900/903 to be th emost comfortable because they slope inward on the sides toward the front like the g303 shroud. idk why, but the g903 shape was perfect for me.
I have loved G303 shape since the G302 came out and I tried it.
But the Shroud version is much better still with a more pronounced rear for better control still with your palm. And the old G302/303 were amazing in that regard. For me SO FAR - I just got it 5 days ago, but the feel and performance of the G303 Shroud is a 9.5/10 - best mouse ever so far
dude you are more skilled at apex than some of the "pros" I've seen
sick aim and tracking, absolutely crazy stuff
hope you are reviewing the roccat pro cone air wireless in your top mice at the end of the year list
The superlight is still top dawg bur the hyperx haste wireless is really good sleeper with similar shape but some nice upgrades out the box. May have to try this one. Wish they would update the superlight too
Could you test Razer Deathadded V2 Pro Wireless? here, its priced almost identically with Viper Ultimate and they're quite different but I was wondering if the latency is similar and in general, your thoughts
I'm only half decent at video games. I have bought all of the best mice on the market including super light and noticed no difference. Best thing I did was aim training which did improve my aim for the time I did it, nowadays is pretty mediocre.
Another quality video as always Ali,loved it:)
I've tried to like the GPX Superlight but the front of the mouse is just too high. I have large hands a claw grip and prefer something with a lot lower profile. The GPX is also super slippery until your hands warm up because the shape is just so pill-like.
Yep, that's my problem with the G Pro and Superlight. I end up getting fatigue because of the front of the mouse being high. Did you find a mouse you like?
Despite its angular shape, I found the original G303 mouse (it was wired) to be quite comfortable to use and worked well with my hybrid grip. Right now the Logitech G305 and Razer Orochi V2 are my current go to mice for the most part (I have a few other wireless mice from Razer and Logitech) with the Orochi winning out on overall feel of the buttons. If the wireless G303 feels far less mushy than the G305 then this will be an instant buy for me and the G305 can go to on the second hand market or Good Will or whatever.
I gave my g305 away as soon as my g303SE came in. The width caught me a bit off coming from a g303, but overall I'm really liking it.
I'm never doing Logitech again, I've had 3 mice from them and they all had double click issues, so frustrating.
Just as i bought it this review drops, No joke. I just bought it on amazon and it's gonna arrive on friday
Logitech is selling on Black Friday special right now. $20 off in cart and free shipping.
@@fakename144 Amazon was selling it for 105$ at cyber monday so thats why i grabbed it from there. free shipping too.
@@SneppySymphony Amazon returns make that a good value. If you don't like the mouse, no problem. Logitech would charge for return shipping.
I would love to see you review XM1R. Or XM1R wireless when it's released.
Hold my like. Optimum, you God, I will keep posting this for eternity until you will do it :)). Please do a video about latency of keyboards, comparing customs to off the shelf ones. I know is pretty hard to do, but you have the knowledge and the tools. This is so needed in my opinion because I don't think I'm the only one that cares about performance on different keyboards, I will switch to customs as fast as possible if I know they don't have higher latency.
Rtings has a keyboard latency
@@a4n331 like the comment and shh. They don't have customs. Read first
@@Bogescianu your comment isn’t worth liking. they do have a few customs such as keychron and the drop keyboards but are funded by customers so are limited. Also most custom keyboards are 125hz polling so it’s obvious they have higher input
@@a4n331 bro, go for a walk. When I say customs I mean customs not half assed. He looks for a competitive edge and I'm curious to see his take on this topic. Your point is still null. I'm sorry to tell you but you didn't enlightened me with rtings. I follow rtings for years and years, they are the best at what they do but this topic is not covered regarding customs.
@@Bogescianu too bad he will never see your comment then
I got an idea for you-
You could play Apex (or any other game) with some of your subs and talk about certain things in tech, their hardware, what they like and don't like about it, etc. Kind of like a soft podcast but whilst playing a competitive game. Would be cool to have that as weekly vid or something!
If you like this idea, I'm down to run some Apex games -
Love from a fan from London, U.K
Its interesting that you say the g303 is more suited to larger hands, since to me it looks noticeably smaller than the superlight. I have quite small hands so this is usually a big determining factor for me.
its small but wide thats why
I love the g303 wired that I am using, and I use palm grip on it. This could be a nice upgrade for me !
I thought they gave up on the design. The g302 was a favourite and i couldnt find a replacement. Glad it's back
Can we talk about his nail care????? In all his videos his nails are tip top shape. 👌
I have replaced my Superlight with the Shroud G303 and loving it...
Amazing review, thanks for that quality content. I bought a G303 and totally love it, i guess i got the hand size and grip for it. I see why some ppl will hate it tho.
Can it be palm gripped?
@@NotFaderx it can, isn't comfy as a mouse with a different design, but you can get fast used to it. I love the light way and amazing battery life.
@@Ekstreman do u palm grip it?
@@Ekstreman I have never tried anything but palm gripping and well idk maybe claw frippi g is for me but it feels so irrittating on my mouse the redragong m7 griffin
@@NotFaderx my advice is to try it out for a few days. If a friend got it, to try it. But i bet anyone can get used to it. It is my first mouse as this too
Thanks for the review. Are you still using the G303 over the superlight?
In the era of clickbaits and mediocre reviews, that's for bringing genuine content
The g303 would be perfect for my grip :O
Hey @Optimum Tech:
What do you think of the Razer Basilisk V3, maybe a Review/Test?
Hey you should do a review on the HyperX pulsefirehaste, HyperX mice before were pretty bad but this one had incredible value. Other than that great vid
he made a review on that like months ago, maybe even years ago (i forgot). he named it a "top tier mouse", you only heard of the haste now because it used to have qc and sensor issues
@@yoshawtyismyproperty I see, alright ill look for it
I have the superlight and bought the g303 to see how it is. IMO the g303 is a great mice but its not the shape you want. Its a bit larger and wider. The corners are aggressive but you can grip it pretty good. You must have a medium to large hand to use the g303. But overall great mice
I've had it for months and was in love, never aimed better, but lately my hand started to hurt, it's an insane aggresive shape. I loved it but had to go back to GPWX only because of that.
What is your grip guys? Going to try too
Was considering getting it but I'm a fingertip player. I have a superlight with modded feet and its very good one year later. The only thing I wish it had was a dpi button which I switch a lot depending on the game and switch back to google chrome.
my man beamin with the 99
@Optimum Tech great review! Any possibility of a mouse input lag list ?
What is the program what u use for aiming purposes? :)
@optimum tech
At this point in time, do you still prefer the g303 se over the g pro x ? Hopefully you can get back to me, thanks 💪
ive had the shroud for over a week, at 88% charge, absolutely INSANE
For starters your reviews are our hands down the best. To to the point, no fluff love it. I will say that the AAA mice seem to be lacking on some basic things. At that price point they should have the best feet, and switches.
Switching mouse for review, and casually one clipping people on apex lobby. Legend
Yooo a new upload! Pog
I saw that you can replace the battery in the g303 for a new one to cut the weight, considering you do quite a few mod videos i thought it would be really cool if you did one for the 303! (Esp since I’d watch it to do myself after mine arrives)
Logitech X Optimum when 👀
I use the G305 with a lithium AAA and an adapter for AAA->AA. Super nice mod and very comfortable for the price.
hey man, love ur work. can you compare it directly to G304
best peripheral channel there is hands down.
Can I change the DPI button to act as mouse wheel click through the software? I prefer to have an extra button I can use to bind stuff to, rather than having a DPI cycle button I'm never going to use.
7:14 ... Genuine question- So would you say that switching between mice for different games is bad for consistency?
I use a Rival 5 for league because I love using the side buttons.
But whenever I play fps I switch to my other mouse.
Could switching between the two cause inconsistency that I'm not noticing?
If youre switching from a game like league to an fps you should be perfectly fine, just be sure to warm up a little whenever you switch :)
Waiting on my starlight 12 phantom as well. They might have fixed my main concern with the weight of clicks feeling too hard to press by going with the kailh switches. I found myself moving my mouse accidentally by trying to click on the older omrons. They felt really good, but it made my aim worse. Also got a medium size this time around instead of the small I had last time, so hopefully it fits my larger hands better. Excited for the results of that when it arrives for you and I
Bro ur apex gameplay is amazing keep it up
fantastic review as always
G303 is a good solid mouse for certain ppl but GPX overall is a great mouse and still remains my #1.
Micro-USB though, I can't believe Logitech made that decision... - That's literally the only reason I'm going for the G303 over the GPX
tried the 303 wireless for a day and my thumb is really sore. i guess i’m more of a fingertip grip user so the claw grip that the mouse forced me into was super uncomfortable. used my superlight for the rest of the night and felt so much less strain
yea seems like the 303 is for a more aggressive player but i guess that’s what you have to do if you’re trying hard. if you just want to play for fun it’s probably not a good choice
The only thing I hate about my superlight is the noisy/heavy clicks. This might be my favorite, need to try.
Dear lord some of those Apex kills were terrifying... I hope we never meet in game 😅
THE PERFECT MOMENT FOR THIS VIDEO
The g303 shape is awesome but the side buttons are too far forward for my small hands. Ended up switching back to the superlight as I got sick of having to stretch my thumb super far to hit the front side button. (16 by 8 hands)
It’s also a bit wider than I expected. I would definitely say this mouse is for people with medium to large hands.
I just bought the G Pro X Superlight on Black Friday for just 78€. Love it. I hated the wire in my G-Wolves Hati although it is one of the better sleeved cables out there. I was back to normal performance (Aimlab Gridshot score of 80k, acc. 96%) pretty quickly.
unless your a SHROUD FAN or the mice fits your hand perfectly, this is NOT worth the $130 asking price for a glorified 303 adding wireless and shroud name on it
My g303 with paracord and tiger arcs cost me around 35 euros , I can't justify paying 4x as much for the shroud edition.
@@StarcraftSwarm yeah for that price or price range
go for gpx superlight or even a rvu i personally have both
rvu got broken on accident replace with gpx
@@StarcraftSwarm The G303 was going for $400+ on ebay for a while, you should have sold it back then lol.
I had the g502 Hero and going to the g303 SE is so much easier to grip and slide. I got used to it very quickly. Would Recommend the g303 SE.
This may be the mouse to replace my Viper Ultimate. I'm so tired of this mouse. It's creaky, the dock almost never charges the mouse without something propping it up at the "correct" angle, the side buttons don't work sometimes without a good smack against the frame. Honestly, I regret getting the Viper as a whole.
I feel this 100% what did you replace it with
I am the same going form viper ultimate as the back of the mause is to flat wide for me , I love orchi v2 but g303 shroud is also great , hard choice
I find it funny that people think buying stuff with peoples names on it there going to be the next star ⭐️ ,unless it has my boys name optimum tech get ready to be the next big star
“I haven’t fully adjusted to this mouse”
casually demolishing with the wingman close range
I'm currently using an Aerox 3 (the original version, with the smaller skates, not the updated one), and since I have large-ish hands and that I use a claw grip for gaming, this mouse doesn't seem half bad really.
I was hloding off for a Superlight cause come on, micro USB? That migh not be of a concern for a lot of people but it definetly is to me. I'll see if the price is right where I live, and will maybe switch, i don't know yet
the price is not right. You can get the Starlight 12 phantom for near that money, like, LMAO @ Logitech.
@@Gungrave123 i paid my aerox 3 110€ and the price didn't seem bad. If that's 130 to me it is at least (i won't go 150 tho)
How is micro usb an issue for you? It's not an issue for anyone else in the world
For how little it needs charging, micro USB isn't a dealbreaker. However, it's less alluring that the G303 because you don't need to stuff as many cables in the draw.
you'd be surprised actually. I switched from the Razer Deathadder Chroma to the original G303 once and man did I love that mouse for palm grip sadly my original 303 got double clicking within 6 months and I found myself going to the G403 back to the ergo shape until that too got double clicks. At that point I switched to the Razer Deathadder Elite and the clicks felt bat to me at that point so I switched to the Glorious Model O then the O- had issues with both scroll wheels (adhesive wore off and the rubber free turned essentially). At that point I got the Deathadder V2, loved it but the clicks felt even muchier. Got convinced to get the G pro wireless and used it for 9 months up until 2 weeks ago when I realized the G Pro Wireless doesn't agree with a relaxed palm grip. My ring and pinky knuckles would start hurting like crazy after long gaming sessions so I found myself hating the mouse in the end but I'm now on the G703. My hand no longer hurts, the mouse has a medium weight (95G) so I'm more accustomed to it, and best of all my snappy insane flick aim has returned to me.
7:05 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE VIDEO
G502 with max weight - can you do a vid (or if u have one already) about mouse weight.s
One thing I love about the superlight is that it can be used with logitech's powerplay coin. Practically unlimited battery life
So your wrist rests 1 centimeter above the desk on a pad if u use hard mat, and 0.5 centimeter if u use soft mat. I have it, it is not used for 2 months in the wardrobe
I use this for a 3rd party charging station that locks it in place while charging, awesome! ;D