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I seem to remember a tale of when tobacco was first introduced to these isles and of a man who had water thrown over him by someone who was under the mistaken impression that he was on fire. My thought upon hearing this was that if only this had happened every time someone had lit up, smoking tobacco would have been seem as a pastime that would receive a response of an automatic dousing with a bucket of water and the habit would never have taken off. This brings me to an incident that Mary Trump related of Donald being such a constant bully to his brother that, at the dinner table, Donald was crowned with a whole tureen of mashed potato by his father. Maybe if this had been a regular occurrence? . . .
@ Causally incoherent. What has caused this is a fractious and concretized condemnation by religious and political adherents against the facts of natural human diversification as an evil and an unnatural. They just don't want to admit that nature doesn't make carbon copies of both themselves and their own ideations. The reason we are here and haven't gene stagnated is because of variations, both physically/neurologically and they have a fixed idea about 'wrong' and 'right' and 'black' and 'white' whilst nature has nothing of the sort.
@@ds6914 Causally incoherent. What has caused this is a fractious and concretized condemnation by religious and political adherents against the facts of natural human diversification as an unnatural. They just don't want to admit that nature doesn't make carbon copies of both themselves and their own ideations. The reason we are here and haven't gene stagnated is because of variations, both physically/neurologically and they have a fixed idea about 'wrong' and 'right' and 'black' and 'white' whilst nature has nothing of the sort.
thank fuck someone is actually calling this out because I’m frankly terrified of the patterns I see forming and this conversation needs to be had. Thank you
In my opinion, one of the saddest and overlooked consequences of the 48 years of Salazar's regime in Portugal, was "bufos" that translates roughly as snitches, canaries, taletellers, informants. Neighbours were encouraged to tell on each other, self police, creating animosity, distrust and destroying communities. For those with short memories and/or pining for "simpler times" here is a small sample of how complicated life actually was: It was against the law to criticise government, to criticise the overseas war, to assemble, to discuss ideas. Culture: books, press, theatre, films, tv, radio, all were heavily censored if not banned all together. During the Portuguese fascist regime called "New State" that ended in 1974, only women with high school degrees were allowed to vote, in a context of 1 in 3 women being completely illiterate much less having access to high school, high school was only for wealthy people, never mind university. Women were barred from becoming judges, diplomats, military or police. Women could be teachers but then only allowed to marry if given authorisation by the ministry of Education, similar laws for nurses, air hostesses, phone operators. Women working in commerce, opening a bank account, traveling abroad or taking contraception was also not allowed unless you had authorisation from your husband. Husbands had the right to open their wive's correspondence. Homosexuality "didn't exist" yet it was a crime and if denounced you would be beaten, humiliated, sectioned, sent to forced labour, sent to the colonies, this is you were poor of course, different rules for the rich and aristocracy. Being left handed was also no no too, my own mom failed primary school because her teacher tied her left hand to her back, but my mom was needed to work anyway, cause children had full time jobs and that was perfectly normal. My dad went to work for a grocery shop when he was 9, after being abused by the church, when he was 12 he moved to Porto in search of a better job, at 14 he moved to Lisbon in search of a better job, at 16 he joined the military to escape poverty and shortly after he was sent to fight in the colonial war. Myself and my sisters were raised by uneducated loving parents marred by trauma, as was my entire generation, and still they would utter statements like "it wasn't that bad" wtf? you didn't have shoes, or full length trousers, or a floor inside your house, even though everybody worked including the children, even though the state exploited and plundered vast overseas territories and peoples, you still had no shoes, no 60s, no friends, no nothing, just football, family, fado, fags and Fatima. But hey, kids could smoke and drink, so I guess you win some you lose some. 48 years is a long time to brain-wash a population, to disempower them, to turn them against each other. Our dictator only gave up his power when he fell from a chair and and hit his thick head, inside, all of his ambition became a clogged mass that rendered him unable to make any more decisions, just like that. So long mortal, your small mindedness shall not be forgotten.
Thanks for sharing your family' story. Ashamed to say we realised reading it that we knew nothing about Portugal and its dictator. Another example of how little we in the UK know about other countries , even in Europe.
Thanks for sharing your story. As a Brit living in Portugal, I really appreciate reading your personal insight into those days. I find it disturbing now to have some pretty chilled out Portuguese aquantentcies sucked into Trump world propaganda and paranoid conspiracism.
Thank you for sharing this - I feel bad for not knowing more about the Portuguese regime although I lived the first three decades of my life in Europe.
I was born in Plymouth, UK, in 1940, I came to South Africa in 1944 and lived through the apartheid years, so I have been conscious of and affected by the evils of fascism since my birth. I am horrified by the current rise of fascism in the world, and have to wonder why it is that many people's memories are short and why is it that many people don't seem to think for themselves? I'm so grateful to Alistair and Rory for giving us context, even though I want to WAIL for all the human rights that are being discarded after fighting for them for so many years.
Rory was the chairman of Le Cercle ! A right wing C:I:A backed group thats main aim was to preserve apartheid ,dont believe what he says ,he is a facist.
Because capitalism does not work. You have to ask yourself who is funding education, who is in charge of setting curriculums. Tik Tok played a large role in Trumps 2024 election, and social media played a major role in him winning in 2016. These young kids didn’t really grow up with many WWII/second world war vets around. I was born in 1991 and thank God I was very well connected with my grandfather, a combat veteran. So time has passed, and social media now propagates false narratives, propaganda and “alternative histories”. A sad world. Soon, we are less than a decade away from shunning the internet all together because we wont be able to trust a thing we see on it.
Your past is very similar to mine, except I've ended up in Ireland (born Hull, SA till my 40's). I share your 'want to wail'. Seems like the writing is on the wall that the world's superpower is becoming a dictatorship...a particularly evil one. Maybe the generations after us generally don't appreciate or even know what history shows us.
If I told my Father that I was going to change energy supplier, in order to get Alastair Campbell merch, I think he would punch me hard in the face. So it will just have to be our little secret
You may be right about your Father, but the fact that they are prepared to support a channel that is prepared to stand against this "NPP" makes them favourable in my eyes. With such a large proportion of the UK press now looking to kiss the ring, we need sincere analytical coverage of the rise of the far Right in Europe. TRiP is a precious resource in combatting non-British values of fairness and care for the individual, no matter where they are on the social ladder. If our Fathers stood against anything in the 1940s it was to prevent the kind of dictatorships we're seeing emerge now
As an American, I am utterly aghast at our corporate media's near-total capitulation to Trump over the past three months. Now, the only way to get balanced and objective news commentary on the insanity unfolding in my country at the moment is from the foreign press and trustworthy independent outlets like your own. Keep up on speaking truth to power, gentlemen!
I just can’t understand how you lefties just don’t have any common sense. You honestly think the insanity is just unfolding? You don’t think the last 4 years with Biden have been insane. You are either blinded by political view or just dumb.
rory made the most important point - all this nonsense is pulling at the threads of international system. i grew up believing we could all get it together, am now watching it all fall apart. i am terrified.
The most recent video by historian Mark Felton identified that there is an agreement between Denmark and UK which says the UK is to be offered first refusal if Greenland was ever offered for sale.
Hmmm - I see plenty Democrats making statements about what Trump's doing... if the US media don't report it or you don't see it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In contact you need to remember that voters have given the Democrats absolutely no power at all.
That's cos Americans are sick of hearing how Trump's a fascist for the 500th time. They've also had their fill of sanctimonious blowhards and war criminals like Alistair Campbell, sitting smugly on their high horse, convinced of their own moral superiority, and idly clutching their pearls as the country circles the drain.
@@Jacky5299 as they did for Hitler...but it looks like you are russian troll bot account (as is one above) ---so why am i talking with you --or anyone listening to you?
I heard a quote along the lines of ‘when fascism comes to America it will be carrying a bible and wrapped in a flag’. Not sure who said it but seems they were spot on.
“The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’. The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice, have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of régime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different.” ~Orwell
What Fascism? Isn't Fascism the militant arm of the Catholic Church? As for other descriptors. Totalitarianism. That's the Left and Liberals now. Crushing Free Speech. That is the Left and Liberals now. Anti-Semitism. that is the Left and Liberals now.
Far more salient is Ronald Reagan's quote on the subject: "If Fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." American liberals are the ones who demand speakers be silenced, who lead mobs to attack political opponents, who burn down cities because they claim oppression by a bogeyman, and who try and assassinate their enemies. Try again, Champ.
You are not being hysterical about Trump. Nor are those of us in the US who have been screaming into the void about these ever-escalating warning signs for years- in my case since the days of Newt Gingrich’s reign in the House in the mid 90’s.
Every single Trump 'accomplishment' has occurred within the bounds of our democratic processes and legal framework. He is using the executive authority we gave him, as specified in our Constitution. And where he has attempted to superceded his executive authority, the judiciary has blocked him. When that happened, did he invade Poland? No. He filed an appeal, as is his right. Calling him a fascist will only make it harder to spot the genuine article when and if it ever comes along. You've opted tor hysteria over the presentation of an alternative vision. Until that course is corrected, the Left will continue to lose.
Agreed. The only people with "Trump Derangement Syndrome" are the ones who avidly follow him and excuse every batshit crazy, illegal, or awful thing he does. That's the derangement.
Thank you so much, Rory, for occasionally taking some time to put things in context and explain them to people who haven't been following some of the issues.
This is very depressing. And the lack of pushback is astounding. It’s like they’re waiting for a leader to just magically appear 💁 Where are the courageous opposition leaders in America. Where is the American Navalny? Land of the free, home of the brave … my ass. 😞
The lack of pushback is not surprising at all. The USA has historically allied itself to fascists abroad in the name of looking after it's interests. It never was leader of the free world. And just because it happens to be a democracy does not give it any moral infallibility. If anything, its surprising that this did not happen in the US sooner.
I am a dual citizen of the US and Estonia living in Estonia for 30 years. I came to Estonia as an Advisor to the Estonian General Staff, February 15, 1995 and stayed. I myself was born in a refugee camp in Lubeck, Germany 1946. We emigrated to the US in 1951. I served as a 1st Lieutenant in the US Special Forces 1967-69...I am very very worried at what is happening in Washington today. I find your comments are right on and get to the heart of the problems
This was a great discussion, not dissimilar to the early days of this podcast, raw, controlled emotions but emotional when required, and pure intellectual exploration. The podcast had changed a little, sorry don't mean to be critical but the quality of this discussion was the best on display in the recent past.
Trump is necessary at this time to save western civilisation from a thirty accumulated of unsatisfactory leftist policies. His 2025 policies are not without their flaws but this blunt correction in direction is objectively appropriate. This is best chance that our 80 years of relative peace and prosperity with continue.
Rory, having worked in the UK defence industry for 40 years, it was so refreshing to hear you explain how the US has us by the short and curlies.P.S, I am Scottish and left of centre but this has done my head in for years.
He's not a Fascist in the 1940's sense, but it's clear he sees himself as the Xi / Putin / Kim strongman all-out ruler type. He clearly wanted to extend his rule last time he was president, I'm expecting him to look into legislation this time round to stay in power for longer too...
I don't think Trump cares for any ideology, nor does he even understand what any particular one is. He is entirely self-serving, interested only in what advances his wealth and his ego; even his kids don't get much of a look-in. If the people around him are constructing a fascist and/or Christian nationalist regime, he's happy to let them do so just as long as he's in charge and he can continue to bilk the system. I think Vance and the people behind him are simply waiting for their figurehead to drop dead in office (knowing that Trump's arteries are already clogged with Macdonalds finest dining) and then they'll use the sacred memory of the Great American Steersman in order to get the sofa-humper the next four years necessary to complete their undermining of democracy exactly as Putin did from 2000-2008.
@@philspurling6414 you post whatever codswallop you please. As a European I know a damned sight more about fascism than you ever will. Fascism is Fascism whether in Nazi Germany , Mussolini’s Italy,, Fascism in Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, the Baltic States, Greece,Austria, Poland, Brazil, Hungary, Slovakia, South Africa ..and more.
He has done nothing but the help rebuild the country since he's come back in.... rebuild what biden administration has destroyed. Unbelievable what a disaster the biden administration was.
Why would Trump care if people don’t want to be part of the empire. The Rhineland, Austria, The Sudetenland sound familiar? Today it is Greenland, Panama, and Canada. It makes sense if Trump wants to emulate another populist from the 1930s. All Trump has to do is occupy Greenland and it’s off to appeasement races again.
I'm assuming most Americans are reasonable people and want to do the right thing. I'm a Brit, so as I see it, the Americans should sort the wrongs of the Trump administration. In the meantime, the Brits and Europe need to learn to do without America as their leaders can no longer be trusted.
Pretty much. The only way to beat Trump is to hurt him. Either by ignoring what he does which hurts his ego or directly hurting what he's trying to do.
Back when I was at University my professor who had at one time been a Republican legislator, Melvin DeStigter, used to always say "Never under estimate the stupidity of the average American voter - It is relatively easy to get them to vote for anything if you can make them angry at something". Most young people I see in the USA are angry & motivated not radicalized by their current situation and many posters have mentioned a large number of them are taking that anger out against democracy.
Extremely good discussion. Doesn't shy away from calling out fascism. Very important right now as most of the US media runs away from their social and democratic responsibility.
The sad truth is that every single Trump 'accomplishment' has been within the bounds of our democratic processea and legal framework. And where he has attempted to superceded his executive authority, the judiciary has blocked him. And when that happened, did he invade Poland? No. He filled an appeal. OUR SYSTEM WORKS.
As an Australian listener, I am extremely grateful that Rory always takes the time to provide some context and background. I’m not saying that Alistair should be doing this, just that it is valuable that Rory does. Thank you both for always providing insightful and interesting commentary!
Trump hardly knew what he was signing - he seemed surprised when he was signing the orders and exclaiming ‘oh this is a big one’! As if he were a toddler.
Britain is fully 1984 right now. More time in prison for saying no no words on the internet than for sexually assaulting children as long as you're brown of course.
Not really. Having a president with dementia was far scarier. Try not reading the Guardian and listening to these two hacks and you'll start feeling better about things.
Not just the minerals. Imo, the US tech giants also intend to establish large data processing facilities there for AI and crypto. These facilities need a great deal of cooling and energy. The US think they will be able to control a mere 56 thousand people. Data processing services of this nature have already been set up in Iceland - in Greenland, the US would be the only nation doing this there.
My god, have we all forgotten 'First they came...' ignoring for a moment the source being a Lutheran pastor, which has its own problems. The West tried hard, or as hard as the West ever does, to ensure none of us forgot what came before. I studied this at school just a couple of decades ago. To hear anyone from any minority background come out with what was essentially "they aren't coming for me" is simply mind-blowing. Yes, they aren't coming for you NOW, but you're next on the list. Look at LGBT. First, it attempted to divide and rule the LGBT community and set us against our siblings, but oh no, the gays are all right. Now, oh, look, mumblings about gays being a problem are rising in volume. Dear lord, people, wake up.
First they came for the illegal immigrants who had commited violent crimes, and I said 'Make sure you get all the illegal immigrants who have commited violent crimes'.
We didn't forget, they're just ignoring it. Just like so many people I've seen online trying to say that people are misusing the Diary of Anne Frank and insulting her memory when they point out the sort of thing America is doing right now is the sort of thing that led to her situation. I feel like the world is lost.
First they came for the violent criminals, then they came for the pedophiles, than they came for the people indoctrinating the children, then they came for the liars posing as journalists, then they came for the judges who protected criminals, then they came for the corrupt politcians that made it all possible...Something like this?
@@EmmaLaBunn Wait, what? I have been "lucky", I suppose, in never seeing that. I worry about the road we (the West) seem determined to travel down right now. It's like the Fartage situation. Considering how even Leavers generally accept that Brexit was/is an absolute disaster. A disaster pushed on us by the interests of the 1% and Putin. You would think that if he dared show his face anywhere, the tobacco-stained booze-hound would be chased out, and yet... nope, business as usual, Heil King Farage, Long Live The King. Somehow, he gets to push the populist emergency button: "Oh well, if I was in charge, Brexit wouldn't be a disaster; it's the Tories failing to implement it properly" Yeah, because if they implemented it, how he wanted, the economy would have imploded, great for the disaster capitalists, not so great for the working class. Yet, like the turkeys to slaughter, millions of people (majority working class) voted for him. It's truly maddening. The same man who promised a pot of gold at the end of the Brexit rainbow, the same man who a few years ago was secretly recorded saying he wants an American insurance-based health system, the same man who just last week said he wants a French healthcare system (the same way he said, right up until the referendum he wanted a Swiss or Norwegian deal but as soon as the results came in he wanted a hard Brexit). The same man was paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to represent a gold bullion company (an honest man of the people). I understand that people dislike politics, think it's dirty and pointless, believe the State has left them out to dry (it did), and feel no one has the answers, so let's try something new (after the Conservatives spent the past 14 years asset-stripping the country). However, I cannot understand why anyone thinks he could possibly have the answer. All of this whilst the Left, here in the UK, does what it always does and refuses to be pragmatic and work in the best interests of everyone because Lib-dem supporters dislike/distrust Labour as do the Greens and vice versa. Until now, the Conservatives have benefited from the left vote being fragmented whilst they hold the right, which, under an FPTP system, guess who wins most of the time. Without PR, I do genuinely fear for this country because no matter what good Labour does, the Tories will be back and sell off everything they can and what they can't; they will ensure it falls apart to be sold off later. Say they hit their energy target and manage to "double onshore wind, triple solar power, and quadruple offshore wind to be at 95% low carbon energy by 2030" The Tories will work out a way to make it crumble like they did the NHS (in 2010 we had one of the best healthcare systems in the world and now look at it). Say Labour managed to get the waiting lists down and complete the job of starting to repair the NHS. We already know the Tories can destroy that, and they just did it in 14 years. Whilst I know things will improve here once Labour's actions start to kick in (the budget hasn't even come in to force yet) if they don't get better at comms, it won't matter because the press aren't going to help them. The following 5 years will be a bumpy ride; I hope we make it to the other side better off and on the road to recovery.
The main takeaway from this is that fascists and nationalists are still everywhere, just like they were in the past. Humankind never stopped being prone to racist and territorial behavior. Thinking that people have changed, have become peaceful just because they have good lives and access to basic needs and education, that's the mistake that was made, that's the mistake that should never be made again.
The reason is fascists /nationalists/conservatives put up with liberalism, democracy, etc if the system is working for them ie they're prosperous, have jobs are warm etc....but if they dont benefit from those things they look for and can find scapegoats & policies to blame. Its been on the rise again ever since the Financial Crisis, Iraq War, Afgahnistan, Syria, Brexit, Pandemic, Energy Crisis, people can feel it in their pockets & they see rapid societal change, & have been encouraged to blame others, they dont realise that things can alot worse before they get better. Our leaders on the other side of the spectrum have failed to protect the Status Quo for slow incremental change.... Farage & Trump have weaponsied Immigration, etc to their own ends. Trump has lied, bluffed, bullied, intimidated his way to power & behaves like a feudal king. Its quite shocking to see this happen in America. But UK & EU leaders need to be careful & smart to deal with him.... otherwise he's going to take whole world down with him.
@judyparsons1333 but "your own country, and it's people", changes over time. South Africa, for instance,was once Bush men, then Bush men and Bantu, then Bush men, bantu and Dutch, English, Malay etcetera. What is now the British isle was once celtic then history...
My old Dad now passed, fought in the 2nd world war & always told me that the “Yanks” killed more of their own with friendly fire than they killed of the enemy!
@@FRM101what a charmer you are. Actually there were many partners in the victory in 1945, unlike in the version you are taught, and the British played a major role, not least when USA preferred isolation, and the Soviets took horrendous losses on their way to playing a crucial role in wiping out the German army.
As for 'voluntary obedience' Alastair, how butt clenchingly embarrassing is it to see Mandelson completely rowing back on his previous negative comments on Trump to get a job as US ambassador? He has no credibility now. We should pick someone else.
Peter Mandelson just cravenly stated that his anti Trump remarks were “Ill judged “ and that Trump has a “mandate from The American people “ and was “wonderfully dynamic “ but Mandelson has never let any principle stand in the way of his worship of power
Mandelson's remarks are guided by his diplomatic duties, not any "worship of power". He is the British Ambassador to Washington. As such he does not have the luxury of speaking his mind, (unlike you, me, or even God forbid Nigel Farage).
That banner in the holocaust museum was my Facebook portrait photo in 2016 and the only feedback I ever got was someone saying “I agree with your comment but I don’t like your photo” from someone who assumed it must mean I’m a fan of fascism rather than a warning. I deleted my Facebook account very soon after because I saw what Zuckerberg was and I can’t believe we’re still splitting hairs over whether Trump’s movement is fascist. This will continue until we have people saying “yes, but Trump is wearing his swastika slightly *lower* on his sleeve so he’s not a real Nazi”. All fourteen of the Lawrence Britt definitions are applicable, it’s a fascist movement by any reasonable definition and the American people are enthusiastically supporting it insofar as that divided nation can support anything. Also, 8 years after deleting Facebook I quit my job and moved to Portugal, almost exclusively because I wanted no part of this filth. Like the Spanish person on this thread I hope it doesn’t take power here, where they at least have an active collective memory of Salazar.
My Medicaid was minutes from being canceled yesterday. So was my state support for disability awarded to those far below the poverty line. I spent hours yesterday trying to look at my online checking acct to see if my ssi will be awarded Thursday. The website couldn’t keep up. I had to drive to my credit union to get a balance inquiry from the teller. Thank God not trump my ssi pymnt was scheduled. Without it I am 100% dependent on my kids.
The movie trilogy The Godfather was on the face of it about the rising mafia Corleone family, but was actually a reflection of growing American influence and politics.
A relatively calm, clear, analysis, about the gathering storm of disastrous results, beyond anything we could have imagined (and that was terrifying enough!) "It's against the law!" - "I am the law"
Unfortunately fascism is on the way in Spain too, an election away, maybe the last. PP & VOX are both well into it and the judiciary is already preparing the ground for them.
A little late for that. Vox and Feijo's complicit PP are already on the march. I do hope the Spaniards can put aside the division caused by the Catalan independence movement and progressives under Pedro Sancho can unite to keep them at bay.
if facism does come back, it will be because of your doing. shouting facism and nazis before there is no sign of it has infuriated the average person... The left has betray the middle class, as Bernie saids.
Thanks guys, terrific discussion. I don’t mind not keeping up with current news to allow some time for you two to peculate and give it context and history.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yes but the people you are talking about are the Socialists and so called Liberals. It is they coming for your free speech, it is they crushing Trucker Unions in Canada. It is they whom are the antisemites now.
Love the pod. And genuinely upset about the cuts to foreign aid. I can’t believe that Trump would do this to Jordan and other countries like Sudan. This is huge. More on this please. ❤
Most of the comments are about Trump, so I just want to say - thank you for covering the Prince Harry / Rupert Murdoch story amidst the deafening silence of the British press!
Another worrying factor seems to be some people in my experience are brushing it all away with "I don't want to hear all that" Voluntary obedience sorted then?
This is so important for us and for the world. What is the single biggest thing we could do to stop immigration? Help those countries the immigrants are coming from. Improve the material standard of the world so that people don't feel the need to leave their countries. In the mean time try to help those people who have chosen to join us to lead the best lives they can. And don't forget those wealthy industrialists in Germany who didn't take Hitler seriously at first soon joined him. Tell me it's not hopeless, please.
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 the US became a wealthy nation for lots of reasons, natural resources and geographical location being two, others aren't so lucky. But, whatever the reasons, helping others is a good thing in itself, quite apart from the less altruistic aim of not having too many of them turn up on your doorstep.
We can't even convince people to properly support people in our own country financially. While I agree helping develop other countries would reduce the amount of immigration, good luck getting any traction on that.
People like Andreesen are displaying enormous and worrying shift to voluntary obedience and obeisance to Trump- claiming that he is ‘world class’ in real estate, communications and ‘systems thinking’…
If Benito Mussolini was watching Trump, he would almost explode with envy. Instead of ruling a relatively small, chronically disorganised nation - the world superpower! All Mussolini's macho arrogance - but this time, with the firepower to back it up.
I have always thought there were many parallels between Trump and Mussolini: ego, bravado, swagger. Mussolini promised to make Italy ' great, respected, feared.' His actions in Abyssinia helped bring down the then international order, the League of Nations. The democracies of Britain and France tried to appease him. Let us hope the parallels do not go too far.
Well, it seems that the derangement is on the side of those who think Trump doesn’t really mean what he says. It’s a dangerous example of normalcy bias.
Agree with your assessment that Trump is meeting majority of metrics as a form of Fascist. I am INCANDESCENT that Starmer, Reeves & Mandelson have, in the last week, grovel to, praised and complimented Trump - despite him threatening our NATO allies. I voted Labour at the last election, but NEVER again, if Labour shackle us to tge USA rather than Europe. I am utterly disgusted by Labour's level of sycophancy to New Fascism.
Don’t be enraged. Have you heard the phrase ‘softly softly catchee monkey?’ This is diplomacy in action and we all know trump responds to flattery. Sometimes it’s better to placate than feud with an adversary who is reactive and Starmer is doing just that. We’ve got an asset who trump is in awe of, namely the RF and Starmer is going to use that hopefully to our advantage. Try looking at things through the lens of a Prime minister who wants the best for the population and that is not to show his back to this self confessed snake.
The new State Department order pausing foreign aid does not apply to most Ukraine military provisions, which are administered by the Pentagon, not the State Department. To pause the vast majority of Ukraine war funding, a separate Pentagon order would be required The order DOES pause most non-military "aid" to Ukraine. But the majority of military aid, as of now, is unaffected. Military and non-military aid are statutorily and jurisdictionally delineated
Just to explain this further and give the correct perspective Humanitarian aid was indeed stopped, which means diverting funds in Ukraine to cover what that was paying for. Trump was keen to ensure that Israel was exempt, which shows cutting this aid for Ukraine was intentional. This is paused for a quarter of a year, when it will be "reviewed", even if accepted to continue could mean another 3 months before it arrives so a best case scenario of Trump putting a 6 month delay on that for no reason or removing it entirely. The military aid was signed by congress under Biden and Trump had no way to stop it, so yes that is still going through. Trump has not allocated any further military aid, which will take time to sign off, choose what it will be etc then get out... So again this is stopped forever, or even if started again would result in up to a half year gap. Trump has said that Putin should end the war or things will get worse. Talk, no actions, only talk. He has proposed that OPEC sell their oil at a loss to hurt Russia but no actual actions have occurred. He's supposed to be meeting Putin, no dates are set and both sides are saying neither has contacted each other leaving everyone involved in a deliberate state of limbo which is obviously going to effect other countries aid being sent. He's then threatened to invade a loyal allied nation who is in the EU and NATO to take their land and left this barrage of threats in limbo also, meaning NATO countries and EU countries have to divert energy and security to protect from a former ally. Not a single thing he has done has been to Ukraine's benefit, but rather has actually harmed it in every way that Trump has been able to do except for removing existing sanctions on Russia.
Alistair is looking mighty orange today! My mother calls that particular shade "Rip Your Eye Out Orange" - the bedrooms in my house are painted with it.
The new America is appalling. I always felt they were with us. Us=uk) The Republican politicians need to grow a backbone, stop being scared, be selfless and join with the Democrats and put this President to bed.
@pmac206 Europe doesn't have a free ride. By the way, bullying isn't a good look. If anything would drive Europe together and away from the domineering domination of the US machine, it's the way your would-be Führer berates the Danish prime minister as he did with Theresa May and Angela Merkel. If you like the way he belittles and denigrates people in public to make his base happy, take a long hard look at yourself.
@@1331423 Lol you people are so out of touch . Keep in mind we’ll always be fine. You guys on the other hand need us and it’s a very popular sentiment right now especially among the right that we want to get out of Europe completely. We recognize how irrelevant it’s become.
By the way I think Trump's lack of diplomacy shouldn't be mistaken for the result of a position of superior power, because I think it's as simple as his lack of education. He simply never learned any other way than his caveman way.
The UK is economically dependent on Europe, we don't even have a good trade deal with the US. We also sell more to the US than they buy from us - this lack of deficit is why the US didn't target us - yet. The UK does need to rebuild its military - as do our key European allies.
There have been at least 3 previous attempts by the USA to buy Greeland! There is even a treaty providing that if Denmark agrees to sell it, the UK is to have first refusal. In 1917 Denmark sold some Carribean islands to the USA, and had previously bought Alaska from Russia.
It's 2024 not 1917. Denmark and Greenland have also said it's not for sale multiple times. Threats of invasion have now been stated unless they hand it over.
@@evulclown I'm in full agreement with you. I was merely fleshing out what the previous poster had outlined. The USVI all still have numerous Danish place names.
I think there's a bit more to the 'move fast and break things' approach than was said here. It's not only the rapid prototyping type of approach to development where you accept risk to improve development speed, but also that it means breaking existing industries and potentially societal norms.
Isn't the understanding of Trump and the reason he feels no need to provide a reason to seize Greenland etc exactly what Rory spoke about before Christmas. Trump is a modern day Bismarck. Might is right and the US has the strongest military in the world so nobody can stop them. Alastair is right to say Labour have major and difficult choices to make - including how does the Free World stand up to Trump and make it clear that the price of pursuing his aims outweighs the rewards he would hope to receive?
What these two have missed is that Trump is signalling to China who have been making strategic interventions into Greenland. This is what thus stuff is all about.
I thought Bismarck's whole thing was 'real politik' - I.e achieivng one's goals thorugh practical realism. I accept that he's transactional which would suppourt his comparison. But THere's nothing practical or beneficial to the US in many of Trump's proposed decisions. Tariffs for example. That's like the opposite of Bismarck I thought. Might be wrong though haha.
@williampatton7476 The way I see it is that Trump is looking for the best transaction he can get - and given he has the biggest battalions he thinks he can get what he wants by threats - especially if the only cost is pissing off people he's not bothered about keeping onside like the EU and NATO. So he can bully Denmark to give him what he wants with little cost he's bothered about - unless the rest of the Free World stands up to him and makes the cost not worth the trouble. If he gets the Five Eyes calling him out, economic actions, huge losses in diplomatic influence etc, then maybe he thinks again.
US has considered n made several attempts to purchase Greenland since 1917. Btw who’s fault let the US have a military base in Greenland in the first place.
Rory is such a hyperbolic person and bouncing off Campbell doesn't help. "2000 years of western history, a ruler having an ethical or legal justification". Come on man, Vikings, Mongols, Aztecs and all of the rest. How can you be so sure? It's complete BS and needs calling out. Jesus Christ it's sometimes hard to listen to how cocksure these 2 are
@TheDrexelUK Portuguese, Spanish, Germanic Tribes, Rus, the Muslims expansion (in europe), Franks, English ffs. Do they all have legal and ethical justifications? It was a ridiculous statement he made , we all know it. Get off his balls.
@@MementoY2K I know, they might as well be the same person. I thought the idea was that sparked off each other and disagreed a bit but that's long gone. I can't believe RS ever called himself a conservative
@@Lynnefromlyn They are separate things, yes. Well done. Thank you for that needed clarification and truly groundbreaking insight. People like you really make the world go around.
Reading the Supreme Court majority opinion will be morbidly hilarious. The amount of gymnastics Roberts did to eventually pull presidential immunity out of his ass was amazing.
Social media gave everyone the ability to broadcast their personal oppinions making them feel important as strangers were interacting with thise thoughts that wouldnt have happened before. This makes people think that their oppinions are worth more then they really are making them think theyre more important than they are which in extreme cases leads to Trump feeling self entitled enough to demand a nation because people interact with his micro blogging on the internet and got hin electes
But where does this end if it does? Can Trump be stopped by legal challenges? Or can he just get the supreme court to dismiss them. Because that would give him absolute power ... and America as a democracy is finished.
Good questions, there appears to be very little stopping him currently. However a judge has put a halt on his blanket pausing of funding allocation as this is illegal. Who knows if it will stick.
I have been asking for the last four years, what does Trump have to do before he is arrested for treason? He is now systematically stripping away ALL constitutional constraints designed to put a check on his abuse of power. Events over the last two weeks have confirmed that America can no longer be regarded as a democracy in any practical or meaningful way. WAKE UP, AMERICA.
He's also being sued by the Quakers. The governors will take him on and are already working together. The legislature has plenty it COULD do - if they weren't beholden to $$$. There is impeachment, for one thing.
Bullying may work while everyone is in shock, but soon the other parties will realise that standing up to bullies is easier than they'd thought...In other words, it won't last...
Alistair. You can't fight against a movement you haven't started to understand, the Dems don't in the US, and the Labour party don't in UK, and it's why you lost Brexit. Why not take a few days a month to spend with some young men across the UK then share your learning. I've spent 35 years running men's groups and never known men of all ages with such little hope and future. Our politicians have no vision or charisma. Blair had both but since then no PM has had the capacity to inspire
Labour have just had one of their strongest victories in history. Seriously, why is there a such a concerted effort by anonymous accounts in the comments of these videos. It's almost like all the tech companies have backed a fascist.
That is one of the best comments I have seen in a while because it goes straight to the heart of the matter. If you take a massive slab of the population and give them no hope of a decent life they will eventually become disaffected. Scottish Professor Mark Blyth who's at Brown U. in America co-authored a book called Angrynomics. He had several variations of the definition of Angrynomics but one was _"the effect generated when most people in a country no longer believe that the economy benefits them"_ Another was _"the state where people believe the economic system is rigged against them."_ Nobody should've been surprised when a massive slab of the British population said "FK IT" and voted to do Brexit. Nobody should have really been surprised when a massive block of young disaffected men in America said "FK IT" and voted to do Trump. The only people who don't get WHY are the clown brigade on the left with too many PhDs and not enough common sense.
I agree with everything you've written but for Blair, his vision was wrong (invade countries and export western democratic values with no knowledge of regional history and socetal realities), and his so called charisma made me and many others nauseous. He lied about Iraq, broke international law, and is guilty in great part for the lack of trust in politics.
@brittclausson3221 🙂 I don't know, just came like that with no specific purpose. Might have seen it referred as such somewhere. The gramatical gender of history and politics in my native language might play a part. Or the way these podcasts nurture my mind...
@@brittclausson3221It's a podcast from the same company as this one. Some will refer to things with such connections as "the sister of" or "the stable mate of".
@@brittclausson3221 Sister entity is an English language idiom that means there is some official or unofficial relation between the entities. In this case the podcasts are produced by the same production company, Goalhanger.
Thank you both for your opinions and updates on Trumps first week of chaos. And helping to keep us in the know about the rise in fascism. Right wing leaning in areas of society in the Uk
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I seem to remember a tale of when tobacco was first introduced to these isles and of a man who had water thrown over him by someone who was under the mistaken impression that he was on fire. My thought upon hearing this was that if only this had happened every time someone had lit up, smoking tobacco would have been seem as a pastime that would receive a response of an automatic dousing with a bucket of water and the habit would never have taken off.
This brings me to an incident that Mary Trump related of Donald being such a constant bully to his brother that, at the dinner table, Donald was crowned with a whole tureen of mashed potato by his father. Maybe if this had been a regular occurrence? . . .
it's woke-ness wot done it
On Greenland, maybe Trump's indicating to Xi and Vlad that if they want to go down an expansionist route the US could do that too.
@ Causally incoherent. What has caused this is a fractious and concretized condemnation by religious and political adherents against the facts of natural human diversification as an evil and an unnatural. They just don't want to admit that nature doesn't make carbon copies of both themselves and their own ideations. The reason we are here and haven't gene stagnated is because of variations, both physically/neurologically and they have a fixed idea about 'wrong' and 'right' and 'black' and 'white' whilst nature has nothing of the sort.
@@ds6914 Causally incoherent. What has caused this is a fractious and concretized condemnation by religious and political adherents against the facts of natural human diversification as an unnatural. They just don't want to admit that nature doesn't make carbon copies of both themselves and their own ideations. The reason we are here and haven't gene stagnated is because of variations, both physically/neurologically and they have a fixed idea about 'wrong' and 'right' and 'black' and 'white' whilst nature has nothing of the sort.
thank fuck someone is actually calling this out because I’m frankly terrified of the patterns I see forming and this conversation needs to be had. Thank you
In my opinion, one of the saddest and overlooked consequences of the 48 years of Salazar's regime in Portugal, was "bufos" that translates roughly as snitches, canaries, taletellers, informants. Neighbours were encouraged to tell on each other, self police, creating animosity, distrust and destroying communities.
For those with short memories and/or pining for "simpler times" here is a small sample of how complicated life actually was:
It was against the law to criticise government, to criticise the overseas war, to assemble, to discuss ideas. Culture: books, press, theatre, films, tv, radio, all were heavily censored if not banned all together.
During the Portuguese fascist regime called "New State" that ended in 1974, only women with high school degrees were allowed to vote, in a context of 1 in 3 women being completely illiterate much less having access to high school, high school was only for wealthy people, never mind university. Women were barred from becoming judges, diplomats, military or police. Women could be teachers but then only allowed to marry if given authorisation by the ministry of Education, similar laws for nurses, air hostesses, phone operators. Women working in commerce, opening a bank account, traveling abroad or taking contraception was also not allowed unless you had authorisation from your husband. Husbands had the right to open their wive's correspondence.
Homosexuality "didn't exist" yet it was a crime and if denounced you would be beaten, humiliated, sectioned, sent to forced labour, sent to the colonies, this is you were poor of course, different rules for the rich and aristocracy.
Being left handed was also no no too, my own mom failed primary school because her teacher tied her left hand to her back, but my mom was needed to work anyway, cause children had full time jobs and that was perfectly normal.
My dad went to work for a grocery shop when he was 9, after being abused by the church, when he was 12 he moved to Porto in search of a better job, at 14 he moved to Lisbon in search of a better job, at 16 he joined the military to escape poverty and shortly after he was sent to fight in the colonial war.
Myself and my sisters were raised by uneducated loving parents marred by trauma, as was my entire generation, and still they would utter statements like "it wasn't that bad" wtf? you didn't have shoes, or full length trousers, or a floor inside your house, even though everybody worked including the children, even though the state exploited and plundered vast overseas territories and peoples, you still had no shoes, no 60s, no friends, no nothing, just football, family, fado, fags and Fatima. But hey, kids could smoke and drink, so I guess you win some you lose some.
48 years is a long time to brain-wash a population, to disempower them, to turn them against each other.
Our dictator only gave up his power when he fell from a chair and and hit his thick head, inside, all of his ambition became a clogged mass that rendered him unable to make any more decisions, just like that. So long mortal, your small mindedness shall not be forgotten.
Thanks for sharing your family' story. Ashamed to say we realised reading it that we knew nothing about Portugal and its dictator. Another example of how little we in the UK know about other countries , even in Europe.
Thank you for this searing description of life under Portegese racism, how easily we forget.
Thanks for sharing your story. As a Brit living in Portugal, I really appreciate reading your personal insight into those days. I find it disturbing now to have some pretty chilled out Portuguese aquantentcies sucked into Trump world propaganda and paranoid conspiracism.
Thanks for sharing this - it's harrowing to think how close this kind dystopia is for Europe, in both the past and the future.
Thank you for sharing this - I feel bad for not knowing more about the Portuguese regime although I lived the first three decades of my life in Europe.
I was born in Plymouth, UK, in 1940, I came to South Africa in 1944 and lived through the apartheid years, so I have been conscious of and affected by the evils of fascism since my birth. I am horrified by the current rise of fascism in the world, and have to wonder why it is that many people's memories are short and why is it that many people don't seem to think for themselves? I'm so grateful to Alistair and Rory for giving us context, even though I want to WAIL for all the human rights that are being discarded after fighting for them for so many years.
Rory was the chairman of Le Cercle ! A right wing C:I:A backed group thats main aim was to preserve apartheid ,dont believe what he says ,he is a facist.
It's called the failure of the mainstream. AC should be able to tell you all about it, one of its chief architects.
Because capitalism does not work. You have to ask yourself who is funding education, who is in charge of setting curriculums. Tik Tok played a large role in Trumps 2024 election, and social media played a major role in him winning in 2016. These young kids didn’t really grow up with many WWII/second world war vets around. I was born in 1991 and thank God I was very well connected with my grandfather, a combat veteran. So time has passed, and social media now propagates false narratives, propaganda and “alternative histories”. A sad world. Soon, we are less than a decade away from shunning the internet all together because we wont be able to trust a thing we see on it.
Your past is very similar to mine, except I've ended up in Ireland (born Hull, SA till my 40's). I share your 'want to wail'. Seems like the writing is on the wall that the world's superpower is becoming a dictatorship...a particularly evil one. Maybe the generations after us generally don't appreciate or even know what history shows us.
Im not sure - listenening to Burnie Sanders there are still many in US who are aware and will fight. I hope im not naive and that will be the case.😢
If I told my Father that I was going to change energy supplier, in order to get Alastair Campbell merch, I think he would punch me hard in the face. So it will just have to be our little secret
lol😂
And he'd be right to. "Alastair Campbell merch." Utter desolation.
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You may be right about your Father, but the fact that they are prepared to support a channel that is prepared to stand against this "NPP" makes them favourable in my eyes. With such a large proportion of the UK press now looking to kiss the ring, we need sincere analytical coverage of the rise of the far Right in Europe. TRiP is a precious resource in combatting non-British values of fairness and care for the individual, no matter where they are on the social ladder.
If our Fathers stood against anything in the 1940s it was to prevent the kind of dictatorships we're seeing emerge now
Would that be suitable clobber for say....going on a date?
As an American, I am utterly aghast at our corporate media's near-total capitulation to Trump over the past three months. Now, the only way to get balanced and objective news commentary on the insanity unfolding in my country at the moment is from the foreign press and trustworthy independent outlets like your own. Keep up on speaking truth to power, gentlemen!
And when will these sources get blocked?
So the media was “fair and balanced” when they told us that hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation?
There are also left podcasts and UA-cam channels such as Secular Talk, the Majority Report, Vaush, and the Humanist Report.
I just can’t understand how you lefties just don’t have any common sense. You honestly think the insanity is just unfolding? You don’t think the last 4 years with Biden have been insane. You are either blinded by political view or just dumb.
The corporate media hates Trump every bit as much as usual.
rory made the most important point - all this nonsense is pulling at the threads of international system. i grew up believing we could all get it together, am now watching it all fall apart. i am terrified.
You're not the only one!
Everything seems so fragile now.
A really powerful US is literally the only reason it doesn’t fall apart. That’s why when it looked weak under Biden, our enemies invaded countries.
@ thats what happens after an administration like Biden.
@@megowopwop8545 no, that's what happens when you vote for a despicable, revolting orange fascist.
@@megowopwop8545 Always someone else's fault isn't it. Pathetic
I visited Dachau a young man in 1982 as I left I recall thinking "of this, we are all capable." Frightens me as much today as it did then.
your point?
Ironically the Zionists are doing the same
@@FRM101Why do you need a 'point' ? It reads as a statement that I find easy to understand and have sympathy with
"we are all capable" that is such a delusion...
What daft observation. Human beings are inherently violent and tribal. That you were amazed or startled by this observation is just bizarre.
The most recent video by historian Mark Felton identified that there is an agreement between Denmark and UK which says the UK is to be offered first refusal if Greenland was ever offered for sale.
This UK government is busy trying to give away territory not gaining it. 😂
The lack of dissent is horrifying. I live in the US and there is absolutely no opposition leadership to all of this. The silence is deafening.
Spot on! Here in the U.S. the lack of push back is stunning. 😢
Hmmm - I see plenty Democrats making statements about what Trump's doing... if the US media don't report it or you don't see it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
In contact you need to remember that voters have given the Democrats absolutely no power at all.
It's what the people voted for.
That's cos Americans are sick of hearing how Trump's a fascist for the 500th time. They've also had their fill of sanctimonious blowhards and war criminals like Alistair Campbell, sitting smugly on their high horse, convinced of their own moral superiority, and idly clutching their pearls as the country circles the drain.
@@Jacky5299 as they did for Hitler...but it looks like you are russian troll bot account (as is one above) ---so why am i talking with you --or anyone listening to you?
I heard a quote along the lines of ‘when fascism comes to America it will be carrying a bible and wrapped in a flag’. Not sure who said it but seems they were spot on.
Sinclair Lewis
“The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’. The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice, have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of régime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different.” ~Orwell
What Fascism? Isn't Fascism the militant arm of the Catholic Church? As for other descriptors. Totalitarianism. That's the Left and Liberals now. Crushing Free Speech. That is the Left and Liberals now. Anti-Semitism. that is the Left and Liberals now.
@@adamkoslin9302he’s literally gonna be deporting people on student visas who attend palestine protests lmao.
Far more salient is Ronald Reagan's quote on the subject:
"If Fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism."
American liberals are the ones who demand speakers be silenced, who lead mobs to attack political opponents, who burn down cities because they claim oppression by a bogeyman, and who try and assassinate their enemies.
Try again, Champ.
You are not being hysterical about Trump. Nor are those of us in the US who have been screaming into the void about these ever-escalating warning signs for years- in my case since the days of Newt Gingrich’s reign in the House in the mid 90’s.
seems to me he wants to run the state as his own private company.
Every single Trump 'accomplishment' has occurred within the bounds of our democratic processes and legal framework. He is using the executive authority we gave him, as specified in our Constitution. And where he has attempted to superceded his executive authority, the judiciary has blocked him. When that happened, did he invade Poland? No. He filed an appeal, as is his right.
Calling him a fascist will only make it harder to spot the genuine article when and if it ever comes along. You've opted tor hysteria over the presentation of an alternative vision. Until that course is corrected, the Left will continue to lose.
Newt Gingrich is Patient Zero for the infection of nihilist politics which has been ravaging the US for 30 years.
Indeed, the rot has been a long time coming, the "Sheep's clothing" is fully discarded now.
Agreed. The only people with "Trump Derangement Syndrome" are the ones who avidly follow him and excuse every batshit crazy, illegal, or awful thing he does. That's the derangement.
Thank you so much, Rory, for occasionally taking some time to put things in context and explain them to people who haven't been following some of the issues.
Rory is consistently good at doing that isn’t he!
@@mymateian gross
This is very depressing. And the lack of pushback is astounding. It’s like they’re waiting for a leader to just magically appear 💁 Where are the courageous opposition leaders in America. Where is the American Navalny? Land of the free, home of the brave … my ass. 😞
Land of the free , home of the gutless🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agreed, free from DEI policy.
Despite years of you cows screaming about how bad Trump is we got him more votes than last time, so yeah America does kick ass
The lack of pushback is not surprising at all. The USA has historically allied itself to fascists abroad in the name of looking after it's interests. It never was leader of the free world. And just because it happens to be a democracy does not give it any moral infallibility. If anything, its surprising that this did not happen in the US sooner.
live from inside a honey comb and the school cafeteria! and Rory swore! thank you for calling trump and president musk out, gentlemen.
I am a dual citizen of the US and Estonia living in Estonia for 30 years. I came to Estonia as an Advisor to the Estonian General Staff, February 15, 1995 and stayed. I myself was born in a refugee camp in Lubeck, Germany 1946. We emigrated to the US in 1951. I served as a 1st Lieutenant in the US Special Forces 1967-69...I am very very worried at what is happening in Washington today. I find your comments are right on and get to the heart of the problems
This was a great discussion, not dissimilar to the early days of this podcast, raw, controlled emotions but emotional when required, and pure intellectual exploration.
The podcast had changed a little, sorry don't mean to be critical but the quality of this discussion was the best on display in the recent past.
Trump is necessary at this time to save western civilisation from a thirty accumulated of unsatisfactory leftist policies. His 2025 policies are not without their flaws but this blunt correction in direction is objectively appropriate.
This is best chance that our 80 years of relative peace and prosperity with continue.
Rory has no intellectual integrity anymore after crying and preaching over Kamala
Rory, having worked in the UK defence industry for 40 years, it was so refreshing to hear you explain how the US has us by the short and curlies.P.S, I am Scottish and left of centre but this has done my head in for years.
Rory’s grasp on the structure and history of multilayered geopolitics is just astonishing - this episode much appreciated 👌
He's not a Fascist in the 1940's sense, but it's clear he sees himself as the Xi / Putin / Kim strongman all-out ruler type. He clearly wanted to extend his rule last time he was president, I'm expecting him to look into legislation this time round to stay in power for longer too...
I don't think Trump cares for any ideology, nor does he even understand what any particular one is. He is entirely self-serving, interested only in what advances his wealth and his ego; even his kids don't get much of a look-in. If the people around him are constructing a fascist and/or Christian nationalist regime, he's happy to let them do so just as long as he's in charge and he can continue to bilk the system. I think Vance and the people behind him are simply waiting for their figurehead to drop dead in office (knowing that Trump's arteries are already clogged with Macdonalds finest dining) and then they'll use the sacred memory of the Great American Steersman in order to get the sofa-humper the next four years necessary to complete their undermining of democracy exactly as Putin did from 2000-2008.
What do you mean “not in the 1940s sense” ? It is exactly the same sense!
@@Lynnefromlyn No, it resembles Peronism
@@Lynnefromlyn Not even close, geez.
@@philspurling6414 you post whatever codswallop you please. As a European I know a damned sight more about fascism than you ever will. Fascism is Fascism whether in Nazi Germany , Mussolini’s Italy,, Fascism in Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, the Baltic States, Greece,Austria, Poland, Brazil, Hungary, Slovakia, South Africa ..and more.
Rory stop saying “I don’t think it’s likely that will happen” anything can happen with Trump!
He can never be accused of not trying. If it's not to be he say's so.
I think like most sensible people, Hope is the father of that thought.
He has done nothing but the help rebuild the country since he's come back in.... rebuild what biden administration has destroyed. Unbelievable what a disaster the biden administration was.
Trumps a top negotiator, yet Campbell thinks that’s bullying
Why would Trump care if people don’t want to be part of the empire. The Rhineland, Austria, The Sudetenland sound familiar? Today it is Greenland, Panama, and Canada. It makes sense if Trump wants to emulate another populist from the 1930s. All Trump has to do is occupy Greenland and it’s off to appeasement races again.
I'm assuming most Americans are reasonable people and want to do the right thing. I'm a Brit, so as I see it, the Americans should sort the wrongs of the Trump administration. In the meantime, the Brits and Europe need to learn to do without America as their leaders can no longer be trusted.
Right wing propaganda is very strong over here. Half the population is loving this
I am very very very worried about us too. 50% of young men see no problem in dictatorship ? Oh we are so doomed 😅
Pretty much. The only way to beat Trump is to hurt him. Either by ignoring what he does which hurts his ego or directly hurting what he's trying to do.
Why? The consistently show that most of them are very unreasonable people who will only do the selfish thing.
Back when I was at University my professor who had at one time been a Republican legislator, Melvin DeStigter, used to always say "Never under estimate the stupidity of the average American voter - It is relatively easy to get them to vote for anything if you can make them angry at something". Most young people I see in the USA are angry & motivated not radicalized by their current situation and many posters have mentioned a large number of them are taking that anger out against democracy.
Call it out please and get our politicians to wake up
I grew up being told that bullies never prosper by people who clearly weren't paying attention.
Wishful thinking
Liberals telling lies. Dad always said walk softly and carry a big stick.
Bullies lead sad and lonely lives. Human beings can never be happy acting like that even if it looks like they are winning from the outside.
@123gmmo that's just bs to help the bullied folk feel better. It isn't actually true.
Isn't AC a renowned bully? Why are you commenting on his podcast?
Extremely good discussion. Doesn't shy away from calling out fascism. Very important right now as most of the US media runs away from their social and democratic responsibility.
The sad truth is that every single Trump 'accomplishment' has been within the bounds of our democratic processea and legal framework. And where he has attempted to superceded his executive authority, the judiciary has blocked him. And when that happened, did he invade Poland? No. He filled an appeal. OUR SYSTEM WORKS.
Meidas Touch and Majorty Report and a lot of left and left leaning social media is collecting noted numbers of refugees at this time.
As an Australian listener, I am extremely grateful that Rory always takes the time to provide some context and background. I’m not saying that Alistair should be doing this, just that it is valuable that Rory does. Thank you both for always providing insightful and interesting commentary!
Trump hardly knew what he was signing - he seemed surprised when he was signing the orders and exclaiming ‘oh this is a big one’! As if he were a toddler.
Don't throw stones in a glass house! Did you think Biden knew what he was signing--especially in his last 2 years in office.
'1984' shouldn't be a how-to guide.
Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves use 1984 as a manual for governing
This is part 2: “The King in the High Castle.”
I can't wait for Oceania to form
Britain is fully 1984 right now. More time in prison for saying no no words on the internet than for sexually assaulting children as long as you're brown of course.
George Orwell or Thatcherism!
Is anyone else feeling a distinct sense of impending doom?
Yep. It will end in violence.
Not really. Having a president with dementia was far scarier. Try not reading the Guardian and listening to these two hacks and you'll start feeling better about things.
I felt this at the US Election - none of what he's doing is a surprise...
Pushing a boulder uphill for four years.
I wouldn’t call it sense of doom. it was being clear eyed and current changes and the likely outcome which basically is a lot of human suffering
No matter what he says Greenland is purely about the Minerals. Hangers on whispering in his ear.
Not just the minerals. Imo, the US tech giants also intend to establish large data processing facilities there for AI and crypto. These facilities need a great deal of cooling and energy. The US think they will be able to control a mere 56 thousand people. Data processing services of this nature have already been set up in Iceland - in Greenland, the US would be the only nation doing this there.
The world needs to unite against America - very sad.
My god, have we all forgotten 'First they came...' ignoring for a moment the source being a Lutheran pastor, which has its own problems. The West tried hard, or as hard as the West ever does, to ensure none of us forgot what came before. I studied this at school just a couple of decades ago. To hear anyone from any minority background come out with what was essentially "they aren't coming for me" is simply mind-blowing. Yes, they aren't coming for you NOW, but you're next on the list. Look at LGBT. First, it attempted to divide and rule the LGBT community and set us against our siblings, but oh no, the gays are all right. Now, oh, look, mumblings about gays being a problem are rising in volume. Dear lord, people, wake up.
First they came for the illegal immigrants who had commited violent crimes, and I said 'Make sure you get all the illegal immigrants who have commited violent crimes'.
We didn't forget, they're just ignoring it. Just like so many people I've seen online trying to say that people are misusing the Diary of Anne Frank and insulting her memory when they point out the sort of thing America is doing right now is the sort of thing that led to her situation. I feel like the world is lost.
First they came for the violent criminals, then they came for the pedophiles, than they came for the people indoctrinating the children, then they came for the liars posing as journalists, then they came for the judges who protected criminals, then they came for the corrupt politcians that made it all possible...Something like this?
My friend in Houston just drove past a community LGBT mural that is no longer there. Someone wiped it out
@@EmmaLaBunn Wait, what? I have been "lucky", I suppose, in never seeing that. I worry about the road we (the West) seem determined to travel down right now.
It's like the Fartage situation. Considering how even Leavers generally accept that Brexit was/is an absolute disaster. A disaster pushed on us by the interests of the 1% and Putin. You would think that if he dared show his face anywhere, the tobacco-stained booze-hound would be chased out, and yet... nope, business as usual, Heil King Farage, Long Live The King. Somehow, he gets to push the populist emergency button: "Oh well, if I was in charge, Brexit wouldn't be a disaster; it's the Tories failing to implement it properly" Yeah, because if they implemented it, how he wanted, the economy would have imploded, great for the disaster capitalists, not so great for the working class. Yet, like the turkeys to slaughter, millions of people (majority working class) voted for him. It's truly maddening. The same man who promised a pot of gold at the end of the Brexit rainbow, the same man who a few years ago was secretly recorded saying he wants an American insurance-based health system, the same man who just last week said he wants a French healthcare system (the same way he said, right up until the referendum he wanted a Swiss or Norwegian deal but as soon as the results came in he wanted a hard Brexit). The same man was paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to represent a gold bullion company (an honest man of the people).
I understand that people dislike politics, think it's dirty and pointless, believe the State has left them out to dry (it did), and feel no one has the answers, so let's try something new (after the Conservatives spent the past 14 years asset-stripping the country). However, I cannot understand why anyone thinks he could possibly have the answer.
All of this whilst the Left, here in the UK, does what it always does and refuses to be pragmatic and work in the best interests of everyone because Lib-dem supporters dislike/distrust Labour as do the Greens and vice versa. Until now, the Conservatives have benefited from the left vote being fragmented whilst they hold the right, which, under an FPTP system, guess who wins most of the time. Without PR, I do genuinely fear for this country because no matter what good Labour does, the Tories will be back and sell off everything they can and what they can't; they will ensure it falls apart to be sold off later.
Say they hit their energy target and manage to "double onshore wind, triple solar power, and quadruple offshore wind to be at 95% low carbon energy by 2030" The Tories will work out a way to make it crumble like they did the NHS (in 2010 we had one of the best healthcare systems in the world and now look at it). Say Labour managed to get the waiting lists down and complete the job of starting to repair the NHS. We already know the Tories can destroy that, and they just did it in 14 years.
Whilst I know things will improve here once Labour's actions start to kick in (the budget hasn't even come in to force yet) if they don't get better at comms, it won't matter because the press aren't going to help them. The following 5 years will be a bumpy ride; I hope we make it to the other side better off and on the road to recovery.
The main takeaway from this is that fascists and nationalists are still everywhere, just like they were in the past.
Humankind never stopped being prone to racist and territorial behavior.
Thinking that people have changed, have become peaceful just because they have good lives and access to basic needs and education, that's the mistake that was made, that's the mistake that should never be made again.
Maybe the liberals shouldn’t have engaged in ethnic replacement of the native populations…
The reason is fascists /nationalists/conservatives put up with liberalism, democracy, etc if the system is working for them ie they're prosperous, have jobs are warm etc....but if they dont benefit from those things they look for and can find scapegoats & policies to blame. Its been on the rise again ever since the Financial Crisis, Iraq War, Afgahnistan, Syria, Brexit, Pandemic, Energy Crisis, people can feel it in their pockets & they see rapid societal change, & have been encouraged to blame others, they dont realise that things can alot worse before they get better. Our leaders on the other side of the spectrum have failed to protect the Status Quo for slow incremental change.... Farage & Trump have weaponsied Immigration, etc to their own ends. Trump has lied, bluffed, bullied, intimidated his way to power & behaves like a feudal king. Its quite shocking to see this happen in America. But UK & EU leaders need to be careful & smart to deal with him.... otherwise he's going to take whole world down with him.
Nothing wrong in putting your own country and its people first
@judyparsons1333 but "your own country, and it's people", changes over time. South Africa, for instance,was once Bush men, then Bush men and Bantu, then Bush men, bantu and Dutch, English, Malay etcetera. What is now the British isle was once celtic then history...
"We've got the greatest military in the world."
Yeah, that was true when the US took Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan...
My old Dad now passed, fought in the 2nd world war & always told me that the “Yanks” killed more of their own with friendly fire than they killed of the enemy!
@@soapytowel1565 the Yanks must have done ok, you lot are still speaking English
@@FRM101what a charmer you are. Actually there were many partners in the victory in 1945, unlike in the version you are taught, and the British played a major role, not least when USA preferred isolation, and the Soviets took horrendous losses on their way to playing a crucial role in wiping out the German army.
How dare you ignore the glorious victory over the military superpower, Grenada.
The only people who doubt the US' military might are people who don't know about those events
Trump has said he wants Greenland for security, but there are huge resources there.
Yes, resources=money, money=weapons, army=security and influence.
As for 'voluntary obedience' Alastair, how butt clenchingly embarrassing is it to see Mandelson completely rowing back on his previous negative comments on Trump to get a job as US ambassador? He has no credibility now. We should pick someone else.
Trump and Mandleson know each other through their mutual friend Jeffrey Epstein. Power move by Kier!
Sincere quesrion: Who else are you going to appoint?
He's going to be ambassador he has to row back his comments, it's diplomacy
He'll get the job, wait 4 yrs, then change his mind again, saying I told you so!
Peter Mandelson just cravenly stated that his anti Trump remarks were “Ill judged “ and that Trump has a “mandate from
The American people “ and was “wonderfully dynamic “ but Mandelson has never let any principle stand in the way of his worship of power
Less than 1/2 of American voters.
Mandelson's remarks are guided by his diplomatic duties, not any "worship of power". He is the British Ambassador to Washington. As such he does not have the luxury of speaking his mind, (unlike you, me, or even God forbid Nigel Farage).
@@greghill7759he is a raven attention seeker and has no principles apart from personal aggrandisement.
Peter Mandelson. Is he still best buddies with Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska? Should make him welcome in Trumpistan.
That banner in the holocaust museum was my Facebook portrait photo in 2016 and the only feedback I ever got was someone saying “I agree with your comment but I don’t like your photo” from someone who assumed it must mean I’m a fan of fascism rather than a warning. I deleted my Facebook account very soon after because I saw what Zuckerberg was and I can’t believe we’re still splitting hairs over whether Trump’s movement is fascist. This will continue until we have people saying “yes, but Trump is wearing his swastika slightly *lower* on his sleeve so he’s not a real Nazi”. All fourteen of the Lawrence Britt definitions are applicable, it’s a fascist movement by any reasonable definition and the American people are enthusiastically supporting it insofar as that divided nation can support anything. Also, 8 years after deleting Facebook I quit my job and moved to Portugal, almost exclusively because I wanted no part of this filth. Like the Spanish person on this thread I hope it doesn’t take power here, where they at least have an active collective memory of Salazar.
No chaos on the Trump side. Machine like efficiency. The chaos is with the democrats and the press.
Bolux
My Medicaid was minutes from being canceled yesterday. So was my state support for disability awarded to those far below the poverty line. I spent hours yesterday trying to look at my online checking acct to see if my ssi will be awarded Thursday. The website couldn’t keep up. I had to drive to my credit union to get a balance inquiry from the teller. Thank God not trump my ssi pymnt was scheduled. Without it I am 100% dependent on my kids.
Warning ! Do Not watch this if you're of a nervous disposition.😢😢
As always gentlemen , an informative and enlightening discussion
The movie trilogy The Godfather was on the face of it about the rising mafia Corleone family, but was actually a reflection of growing American influence and politics.
This is an incredible video. The most shocking and revealing yet
Spot on Rory, Alastair is so quick to change the subject and not to explain his “ unsavoury “ past !!!
A relatively calm, clear, analysis, about the gathering storm of disastrous results, beyond anything we could have imagined (and that was terrifying enough!)
"It's against the law!" - "I am the law"
I have little doubt that fascism is well on the way. I live in Spain and I sincerely hope that its tentacles don't reach far here.
Unfortunately fascism is on the way in Spain too, an election away, maybe the last. PP & VOX are both well into it and the judiciary is already preparing the ground for them.
We envy you.
A little late for that. Vox and Feijo's complicit PP are already on the march. I do hope the Spaniards can put aside the division caused by the Catalan independence movement and progressives under Pedro Sancho can unite to keep them at bay.
Leeching off NATO/ USA
if facism does come back, it will be because of your doing. shouting facism and nazis before there is no sign of it has infuriated the average person... The left has betray the middle class, as Bernie saids.
Huge well done for the clarity both.
Thanks guys, terrific discussion. I don’t mind not keeping up with current news to allow some time for you two to peculate and give it context and history.
The reporting of people for DEI is Gestapo, STB (Czech during Communism) and Stasi (East Germany) type stuff. This is scary stuff.
Totally disgusting comment at the start.
Please don't insult gorillas by comparing them with Trump!
Totally agree..... They are far more intelligent, stronger, and peaceful than Dumpf will ever be.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yes but the people you are talking about are the Socialists and so called Liberals. It is they coming for your free speech, it is they crushing Trucker Unions in Canada. It is they whom are the antisemites now.
Niemöller. One of the strongest literary pieces to emerge from the era, and oh so poignant these days.
Love the pod. And genuinely upset about the cuts to foreign aid. I can’t believe that Trump would do this to Jordan and other countries like Sudan. This is huge. More on this please. ❤
You make sense of the chaos; with a smile. Great show.
That was a very enjoyable debate. Well done 👏
Most of the comments are about Trump, so I just want to say - thank you for covering the Prince Harry / Rupert Murdoch story amidst the deafening silence of the British press!
One week ............puh......Trump the failed business guru. Can't be many that bankrupted 2 CASINOS!!
Another worrying factor seems to be some people in my experience are brushing it all away with "I don't want to hear all that"
Voluntary obedience sorted then?
Hate how people brush things away by thinking that politics isn't 'polite conversation'.
This is so important for us and for the world. What is the single biggest thing we could do to stop immigration? Help those countries the immigrants are coming from. Improve the material standard of the world so that people don't feel the need to leave their countries. In the mean time try to help those people who have chosen to join us to lead the best lives they can. And don't forget those wealthy industrialists in Germany who didn't take Hitler seriously at first soon joined him. Tell me it's not hopeless, please.
Who helped the US become rich? They did it themselves. The same applies to everyone else.
@@zuzanazuscinova5209Funnily enough, immigrants
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 the US became a wealthy nation for lots of reasons, natural resources and geographical location being two, others aren't so lucky. But, whatever the reasons, helping others is a good thing in itself, quite apart from the less altruistic aim of not having too many of them turn up on your doorstep.
We can't even convince people to properly support people in our own country financially. While I agree helping develop other countries would reduce the amount of immigration, good luck getting any traction on that.
This isn't about immigration. It's a nazi tactics to demonize some other. First they came for...
"together in Switzerland" - amazing how toxic the Davos WEF brand is!
It was pride that changed angels into devils, its humility that makes men as Angel, the devils having his day across the world right now.
The US legal system is incredibly slow and Trump has spent his life taking advantage of that, makes him fearless to do whatever he pleases.
People like Andreesen are displaying enormous and worrying shift to voluntary obedience and obeisance to Trump- claiming that he is ‘world class’ in real estate, communications and ‘systems thinking’…
I was astonished to hear that from Andreesen.
Enjoy listening to your perspectives and knowledge as always. Thanks both for a good show.
If Benito Mussolini was watching Trump, he would almost explode with envy. Instead of ruling a relatively small, chronically disorganised nation - the world superpower! All Mussolini's macho arrogance - but this time, with the firepower to back it up.
Trump would love to be Mussolini, will Trump end in the same way?
I have always thought there were many parallels between Trump and Mussolini: ego, bravado, swagger.
Mussolini promised to make Italy ' great, respected, feared.'
His actions in Abyssinia helped bring down the then international order, the League of Nations. The democracies of Britain and France tried to appease him.
Let us hope the parallels do not go too far.
Well, it seems that the derangement is on the side of those who think Trump doesn’t really mean what he says. It’s a dangerous example of normalcy bias.
So true. My daughter has just had all her research funding stopped this week. From New Zealand
So is it not shameful that Starmer refused to condemn Trump´s statements on Denmark? Shocking!
Agree with your assessment that Trump is meeting majority of metrics as a form of Fascist.
I am INCANDESCENT that Starmer, Reeves & Mandelson have, in the last week, grovel to, praised and complimented Trump - despite him threatening our NATO allies.
I voted Labour at the last election, but NEVER again, if Labour shackle us to tge USA rather than Europe.
I am utterly disgusted by Labour's level of sycophancy to New Fascism.
The US econonmy is too large for labour to risk loosing access to given trumps exceptionally fragile ego.
Don’t be enraged. Have you heard the phrase ‘softly softly catchee monkey?’ This is diplomacy in action and we all know trump responds to flattery. Sometimes it’s better to placate than feud with an adversary who is reactive and Starmer is doing just that. We’ve got an asset who trump is in awe of, namely the RF and Starmer is going to use that hopefully to our advantage. Try looking at things through the lens of a Prime minister who wants the best for the population and that is not to show his back to this self confessed snake.
@ I could catch a monkey
No, I thought the same of Blair. “Just diplomacy”
Then he followed bush into a CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY ILLEGAL FUCKING WAR.
You two are the most sane voices out there. Please please keep going!!
The new State Department order pausing foreign aid does not apply to most Ukraine military provisions, which are administered by the Pentagon, not the State Department. To pause the vast majority of Ukraine war funding, a separate Pentagon order would be required
The order DOES pause most non-military "aid" to Ukraine. But the majority of military aid, as of now, is unaffected. Military and non-military aid are statutorily and jurisdictionally delineated
Exactly this. It's primarily the humanitarian aid that is stopped.
Just to explain this further and give the correct perspective Humanitarian aid was indeed stopped, which means diverting funds in Ukraine to cover what that was paying for. Trump was keen to ensure that Israel was exempt, which shows cutting this aid for Ukraine was intentional. This is paused for a quarter of a year, when it will be "reviewed", even if accepted to continue could mean another 3 months before it arrives so a best case scenario of Trump putting a 6 month delay on that for no reason or removing it entirely.
The military aid was signed by congress under Biden and Trump had no way to stop it, so yes that is still going through. Trump has not allocated any further military aid, which will take time to sign off, choose what it will be etc then get out... So again this is stopped forever, or even if started again would result in up to a half year gap.
Trump has said that Putin should end the war or things will get worse. Talk, no actions, only talk. He has proposed that OPEC sell their oil at a loss to hurt Russia but no actual actions have occurred. He's supposed to be meeting Putin, no dates are set and both sides are saying neither has contacted each other leaving everyone involved in a deliberate state of limbo which is obviously going to effect other countries aid being sent.
He's then threatened to invade a loyal allied nation who is in the EU and NATO to take their land and left this barrage of threats in limbo also, meaning NATO countries and EU countries have to divert energy and security to protect from a former ally.
Not a single thing he has done has been to Ukraine's benefit, but rather has actually harmed it in every way that Trump has been able to do except for removing existing sanctions on Russia.
We're at 12 (on your scale of 1 to 10) here in the U.S. We've met & exceeded the signs of coming fascism. It's here. It's frightening & appalling.
Looks like Alastair is stuck in Ed Davey’s basement
Stop the world.... I'd like to get off
Thank you for a very informative podcast. You helped me understand what the Trump presidency means for America and the world.
Alistair is looking mighty orange today! My mother calls that particular shade "Rip Your Eye Out Orange" - the bedrooms in my house are painted with it.
The new America is appalling. I always felt they were with us. Us=uk) The Republican politicians need to grow a backbone, stop being scared, be selfless and join with the Democrats and put this President to bed.
Get used to it . Europe’s free ride is over.
@@pmac206 As a british guy, if you'd like some tips on coping with being an ex-superpower don't be afraid to reach out. You'll need them soon.
@pmac206 Europe doesn't have a free ride. By the way, bullying isn't a good look. If anything would drive Europe together and away from the domineering domination of the US machine, it's the way your would-be Führer berates the Danish prime minister as he did with Theresa May and Angela Merkel. If you like the way he belittles and denigrates people in public to make his base happy, take a long hard look at yourself.
@@1331423 Lol you people are so out of touch . Keep in mind we’ll always be fine. You guys on the other hand need us and it’s a very popular sentiment right now especially among the right that we want to get out of Europe completely. We recognize how irrelevant it’s become.
@@pmac206 Why on earth do you think you'll always be fine?
Brilliant episode. Well done, guys!
You guys. It's funny how you simply can't see what's in front of your faces. It's going to be a very long four years for you lot.
Our problem is we are waaaaaay to nice to stop this.
This. Gotta be more like the Russians. Whether you like it or not.
By the way I think Trump's lack of diplomacy shouldn't be mistaken for the result of a position of superior power, because I think it's as simple as his lack of education.
He simply never learned any other way than his caveman way.
You might want to look up Wharton!? Good grief, at least search engine before you make such comments.
I don't think Trump has the intelligence to be a fascist dictator. I'm pretty sure I never saw Hitler or Mussolini dancing with the Village People 😂
The UK has become economically and militarily dependent on the US. This is what dependence looks like. Little say and limited influence.
Taking back control 🤷♂️
As 🇨🇦 under threat of the blugeon of Tariffs i can relate.
Not a new phenomenon and historically not entirely bad.
It’s been like this since the end of WW2
The UK is economically dependent on Europe, we don't even have a good trade deal with the US. We also sell more to the US than they buy from us - this lack of deficit is why the US didn't target us - yet.
The UK does need to rebuild its military - as do our key European allies.
Great podcast, keep up the good work.
There have been at least 3 previous attempts by the USA to buy Greeland! There is even a treaty providing that if Denmark agrees to sell it, the UK is to have first refusal.
In 1917 Denmark sold some Carribean islands to the USA, and had previously bought Alaska from Russia.
Yes, in 1917 Denmark sold St Croix, St John and St Thomas to the USA. Those three islands are now the United States Virgin Islands.
It's 2024 not 1917. Denmark and Greenland have also said it's not for sale multiple times. Threats of invasion have now been stated unless they hand it over.
@@evulclown I'm in full agreement with you. I was merely fleshing out what the previous poster had outlined. The USVI all still have numerous Danish place names.
I think there's a bit more to the 'move fast and break things' approach than was said here. It's not only the rapid prototyping type of approach to development where you accept risk to improve development speed, but also that it means breaking existing industries and potentially societal norms.
Thanks Rory for calling Musk a Fascist. I wonder when MSM, especially the BBC is even going to address the elephant(rascist) in the (virtual)room.
I take The Times amongst my news inputs. I very much looks like Murdoch has folded also. That on its own is concerning.
Interesting summary of events this week!
Isn't the understanding of Trump and the reason he feels no need to provide a reason to seize Greenland etc exactly what Rory spoke about before Christmas. Trump is a modern day Bismarck. Might is right and the US has the strongest military in the world so nobody can stop them.
Alastair is right to say Labour have major and difficult choices to make - including how does the Free World stand up to Trump and make it clear that the price of pursuing his aims outweighs the rewards he would hope to receive?
What these two have missed is that Trump is signalling to China who have been making strategic interventions into Greenland. This is what thus stuff is all about.
I thought Bismarck's whole thing was 'real politik' - I.e achieivng one's goals thorugh practical realism. I accept that he's transactional which would suppourt his comparison. But THere's nothing practical or beneficial to the US in many of Trump's proposed decisions. Tariffs for example. That's like the opposite of Bismarck I thought. Might be wrong though haha.
@williampatton7476
The way I see it is that Trump is looking for the best transaction he can get - and given he has the biggest battalions he thinks he can get what he wants by threats - especially if the only cost is pissing off people he's not bothered about keeping onside like the EU and NATO.
So he can bully Denmark to give him what he wants with little cost he's bothered about - unless the rest of the Free World stands up to him and makes the cost not worth the trouble. If he gets the Five Eyes calling him out, economic actions, huge losses in diplomatic influence etc, then maybe he thinks again.
US has considered n made several attempts to purchase Greenland since 1917.
Btw who’s fault let the US have a military base in Greenland in the first place.
Outstanding thoughts!! Thanks so much! Love your channel and topics! Greetings from Vancouver, Canada!
Rory is such a hyperbolic person and bouncing off Campbell doesn't help. "2000 years of western history, a ruler having an ethical or legal justification". Come on man, Vikings, Mongols, Aztecs and all of the rest. How can you be so sure? It's complete BS and needs calling out. Jesus Christ it's sometimes hard to listen to how cocksure these 2 are
Aztecs moved to Europe now? 🤡🤡
@TheDrexelUK Portuguese, Spanish, Germanic Tribes, Rus, the Muslims expansion (in europe), Franks, English ffs. Do they all have legal and ethical justifications? It was a ridiculous statement he made , we all know it. Get off his balls.
@@MementoY2Kand it wasn’t “the English” it was the British.
@@MementoY2K I know, they might as well be the same person. I thought the idea was that sparked off each other and disagreed a bit but that's long gone. I can't believe RS ever called himself a conservative
@@Lynnefromlyn They are separate things, yes. Well done. Thank you for that needed clarification and truly groundbreaking insight. People like you really make the world go around.
He owns the Supreme Court so he will just appeal everything and he will win everything
Reading the Supreme Court majority opinion will be morbidly hilarious. The amount of gymnastics Roberts did to eventually pull presidential immunity out of his ass was amazing.
Beginning of the end is when he chooses to just ignore rulings
Thank you! You tether our mounting fear to the ground, this needs to be discussed and laid open again and again. Plz don't let up!
Social media gave everyone the ability to broadcast their personal oppinions making them feel important as strangers were interacting with thise thoughts that wouldnt have happened before. This makes people think that their oppinions are worth more then they really are making them think theyre more important than they are which in extreme cases leads to Trump feeling self entitled enough to demand a nation because people interact with his micro blogging on the internet and got hin electes
Are you talking about these two guys?
My favourite oxymoron of this situation so far, “We’re gonna take DoGE to Mars!”
But where does this end if it does? Can Trump be stopped by legal challenges? Or can he just get the supreme court to dismiss them. Because that would give him absolute power ... and America as a democracy is finished.
Good questions, there appears to be very little stopping him currently. However a judge has put a halt on his blanket pausing of funding allocation as this is illegal. Who knows if it will stick.
I have been asking for the last four years, what does Trump have to do before he is arrested for treason? He is now systematically stripping away ALL constitutional constraints designed to put a check on his abuse of power. Events over the last two weeks have confirmed that America can no longer be regarded as a democracy in any practical or meaningful way.
WAKE UP, AMERICA.
He's also being sued by the Quakers. The governors will take him on and are already working together. The legislature has plenty it COULD do - if they weren't beholden to $$$. There is impeachment, for one thing.
Bullying may work while everyone is in shock, but soon the other parties will realise that standing up to bullies is easier than they'd thought...In other words, it won't last...
Alistair. You can't fight against a movement you haven't started to understand, the Dems don't in the US, and the Labour party don't in UK, and it's why you lost Brexit. Why not take a few days a month to spend with some young men across the UK then share your learning. I've spent 35 years running men's groups and never known men of all ages with such little hope and future. Our politicians have no vision or charisma. Blair had both but since then no PM has had the capacity to inspire
Labour have just had one of their strongest victories in history. Seriously, why is there a such a concerted effort by anonymous accounts in the comments of these videos. It's almost like all the tech companies have backed a fascist.
That is one of the best comments I have seen in a while because it goes straight to the heart of the matter.
If you take a massive slab of the population and give them no hope of a decent life they will eventually become disaffected.
Scottish Professor Mark Blyth who's at Brown U. in America co-authored a book called Angrynomics.
He had several variations of the definition of Angrynomics but one was _"the effect generated when most people in a country no longer believe that the economy benefits them"_ Another was _"the state where people believe the economic system is rigged against them."_
Nobody should've been surprised when a massive slab of the British population said "FK IT" and voted to do Brexit.
Nobody should have really been surprised when a massive block of young disaffected men in America said "FK IT" and voted to do Trump.
The only people who don't get WHY are the clown brigade on the left with too many PhDs and not enough common sense.
@tonywilson4713 same reason people turn to alcoholism and hard drugs. And just as sensible and recommended.
@@tonywilson4713The idiotic thing is that voting this way makes things even worse.
I agree with everything you've written but for Blair, his vision was wrong (invade countries and export western democratic values with no knowledge of regional history and socetal realities), and his so called charisma made me and many others nauseous. He lied about Iraq, broke international law, and is guilty in great part for the lack of trust in politics.
Trump hasn't lost any 30 pounds. If he's on ozempic he's the worst advertisement for it.
The sister podcast, The Rest is History, had a very interesting and nuanced episode on fascism (a few years ago).
How is it a sister?
@brittclausson3221 🙂 I don't know, just came like that with no specific purpose. Might have seen it referred as such somewhere. The gramatical gender of history and politics in my native language might play a part. Or the way these podcasts nurture my mind...
@@brittclausson3221It's a podcast from the same company as this one. Some will refer to things with such connections as "the sister of" or "the stable mate of".
@@brittclausson3221 Sister entity is an English language idiom that means there is some official or unofficial relation between the entities. In this case the podcasts are produced by the same production company, Goalhanger.
Thank you both for your opinions and updates on Trumps first week of chaos.
And helping to keep us in the know about the rise in fascism. Right wing leaning in areas of society in the Uk