Good to hear some numbers that demonstrate real world numbers. Hopefully it'll inform those anti EV viewers to either modify their views and move onto something else to froth at the mouth about.
I do get a little confused about the people who insist on talking about cost/mile, there is no rule that states that saving the planet has to be cheaper. Ethical goods / fair trade / slave labour / Organic / Local produce / Non single use / Fixable and not disposable, these are all good things for the planet and its people and consumers expect to pay more for them.
You are quite right Jonathan about the mpg for diesel cars. My Golf 1.6 does approx 65mpg in summer but 55mpg in winter. Thanks very much for your series of videos - it really proves that modern electric cars are very practical for long journeys.
I've been trying to get this point across to people that say the range decreases for EVs during winter. It's exactly the same for ICE cars. I don't travel too far to work, mostly 30-40 mph zones, in summer I get 40-50 mpg, while in winter I get 30-40 mpg. This is approximately 20% loss of efficiency, similar to EVs.
@@gibroon4418yes science at work, air is thicker, roads are wetter and energy is transferred less efficiently. Of course turning your ICE cars heater off doesn’t get you a better mpg. Or rather your diesel might not give heat for a while after starting as it’s more efficient. All vehicles are a compromise but it’s a personal question of what you personally choose to compromise on.
Cheap car well done. I have a Smart ForTwo without heated seats so I bought a heated seat cover from Argos a couple of weeks ago for £27. Its brilliant and even on the lower heat setting its hot enough.
Love my Zoe 50, all the EV you realistically need… Depreciation only counts come sale time, and seeing that it’s done 100k less than this one, mine’s staying for the foreseeable
Our friend has a Mini diesel which genuinely gets 70 mpg in summer 60mpg in winter Susan just did 420 miles in our Soul and public charged for £36 No diesel would beat that and importantly prices are coming down Petrol is going up
The usual comments came in from the EV Trolls I see. Apparently they drive 1200 miles and think diverting 2/3 of a mile will ruin your travel plans in an EV. The usual level of proud idiocy. I wonder if Geoff Buys Cars fans are getting revenge for Jonathan calling him out. The ICE-heads are a bunch of sensitive souls aren't they? Poor diddums! But as the ever wise Jonathan says, they're just boosting his status by adding comments and views. It's very good for the algorithms. 👍👍
I'm not an EV troll and I get the EV utopia thing although it's not for me and I believe that all EV owners are Guinea pigs for test tech. Yet. I like this channel and with my negativity I created discussion and it great for traffic in this channel... 😂😂😂 Andi drive a 2.0 diesel that takes me to the moon and back in case. But I like this channel and I'm not troll... Paradox ah...😅😅😅
I know of someone whose distaste for EVs comes from (a) they cost more, (b) take too long to charge cf. filling at a diesel pump and (c) they don't have the range for him to drive from the Home Counties to Scotland and back - seemingly in a day! - to photograph steam trains. And the less said about GBC the better.
Thanks Jonathan a great series. We have just made a round trip to York in our MG Trophy EV. Rapid charger costs came in at £47. However we topped up to 100% using the Octopus Go tarrif before we left. York is 175 miles from home. The same journey in our previous car, a Ford Focus eco diesel would usually cost us around the £70 mark. However its not all about the cost, there are lots of other benefits. its a cleaner, slicker, smoother, quieter and generally more relaxing way to travel. I am now seriously looking at replacing my 13 year old Nissan Leaf with a Renault Zoe.
Great set of videos, thank you (from a petrol car driver!). I’m still not convinced about the time spent charging when doing longer distances, but seriously considering something for the majority of miles I do locally (and I’d be able to charge at home). The auction videos have opened my eyes to a possible future purchase to avoid that new car ‘hit’.
👏👏👏👏👏 EV charging prices. Well said Jonathan.. Love a good rant although you have a long way to go to get to Robert Llewellyn's standard of rant (which i also love)
My diesel Mondeo estate only does 55mpg. I drive from John o Groats to Devon every year. It doesn't get better than that on long runs. My EV van is so cheap to run which surprised me. My future will be EV as I'm sure diesel will go up. I remember paying 27p per litre for diesel
Hi Jonathan, loved this series. Isn't that airbag under the seat part of the James Bond Ejector seat pack? You need to add the roof removal airbag too! 😂😂😂
Without the ferry deadline that created the circumstances where you almost ran out of juice, there was no great drama and all your video showed was how good a car the Zoe is.
Your experiences are similar to mine with my Kia eniro. Latest trip over 560 miles (Kingsbridge to Melton Mowbray) only needed three charges, one part way up, one long one on the way back and a quick 10 minute job at Exeter. No hassle at all. MPGe. 62. Mpg
Rant away Jonathan, if you're ever in Sheffield, come and rant at my father outlaw who constantly reminds me that it will cost me thousands of pounds when I have to change the battery on my 2016 Kia Soul. I keep asking him why I would need to change it when it's still at 100% SOH.
Just thought Jonathan, you're on Octopus Go with those rates. Intelligent Octopus Go is now available for Zappi owners, daytime rate is the same but 6 hours (minimum) at 7.5p and 15p export rate. I've just scheduled a charge tonight and it's starting 30 minutes before the cheap rate tonight so I'll get 6.5 hours at 7.5p
great video's and the milage you did would be a little cheaper than my skoda superb 2l diesel estate ( 5 year average 62mpg) so as long as the zero tax and insurance stays low it makes sense .The only thing against it is the time and cost for you to get home ,but has changed my mind a little ,but a journey like that would have used a tank and quarter and be doable in just over a day, but for me , to commute , a slightly larger EV would make sense
Cost me £250 to bring my Zoe back, to the Isle of Man from the UK, but there is no choice but rapid charges when in the UK and it never costs that much compared to filling an ICE vehicle. Thanks I have loved these videos.
Great series of videos, having just got my first EV, (a Zoe ) it's been very interesting especially chat about charging, I have solar and battery and a rate of 7.5p between 23.30 and 5.30, I also get 15p for export so for me it's simple, charge car and house battery at cheap rate and export whatever I produce, no messing around,
I'm with octopus, if you sign up to intelligent go then you sign up to outgoing octopus fixed for 12 months you will get 15p per unit export , depending on your region
@JonathanPorterfield My wife has the same model and at a set of lights I upset a new model range rover by leaving it behind. It's a really nice car to drive.
Really good video. What I love is the rant :D but also that a 110k mile EV is still working and I bet will get you 100k miles more and make all your money back in fuel savings.
I think that’s a great way of looking at it. 95% of my journeys are on free electric from work or cheap overnight octopus. The other free journeys I make where I need to public charge. I don’t care what it costs. I’ve done 14000 miles since April and spent about £200 of my own money.
i agree with you . having solar at home you are making your own fuel, well a large percentage of the time. also some from the grid.there must also be a large benefit with saving on servicing costs. ps i like the videos.
Excellent Video🎉 When i purchased my Renault Zoe Q90 ZE40 brand new in 2017 ( now on 78,000 miles i ordered the car with AC43 charging ( No choice of CCS in 2017 ) and heated seats which are great and should be standard on all EV's.
Best ICE car I had for mileage only still gave me 45mpg and it was a diesel. I like getting up to speed and driving as the condition allow, but my EV does this and worst case seems to be 210 miles in the winter and 270 in the summer months (Double digit temperatures!) Bearing in mind that over the past two and a half years my Kia E Niro has driven 23870 miles at a cost of £788.37, so about 3.3 pence per mile. Majority of charges were at home and it includes an 870 mile trip to Disneyland Paris and used 240 kWh. Prices of rapid chargers are therefore part of the ownership. It is like finding you needed fuel and there was one remote filling station charging 50% extra then normal. People would still fill up if the needed to. Hopefully electricity costs will drop soon as Tesla show it can be done, being about half the cost.
And to all those out there who say: yes but I can't charge at home. Neither can I and I still pay far less than I did in petrol for my 1.2 litre Skoda Roomster. Enjoyed that Jonathan....you sure you didn't spend some time with @BobbyLlew while you were darn sarf? You seem to have not only joined him in his rants but nicked his sign off line too...or did he nick it off you? Now there's a question!😂 Great job at debunking the myths, I'm looking forward to your investigations into the mysterious airbag and I wonder how you're going to deal with the heated steering and seats. More tinkering to come by the sound of it, jolly good. 👍👏
If the zoe or your charger works with Octopus you should move to intelligent tariff, its 7.5p kw 11.30pm to 5.30am. In the 3 months we have had it it sets off 'intelligently' charging as soon as you plug in, it doesn't wait until over night. Which is handy if you have the cooker/washer etc on. It even starts 'intelligently' charging when octopus are paying others not to use power because it a dark wind-less day. I'm sure they'll sort their software out eventually....
Having just watched another UA-camr also a EV owner ,he did a breakdown on a John ‘ogroats to lands end run and his figures are substantially different to these figures making a EV more expensive using public charging points.
Ps: I love your commitment on that travel to get a car. It does proves you've got lots of time in your hand (which is not a crime btw) so you can own an EV 🎉🎉🎉
But even if Jonathan wasn't retired and had less time, it would have been worth taking a couple of days holiday to do the trip to Shoreham. Bear in mind the cheapest Zoe 52kwh for sale this week has a retail price of £10,500.
Well done on the trip Jonathan, I enjoyed watching all the videos. Right on all your points in this one, the naysayers will remain naysayers for a while yet. They don't seem to realise it's not all (or even mostly) about cost anyway. My wife was given a lift by a friend the other day and commented later how archaic the car she was driven in seemed!
Thank you for an interesting and informative video. MY personal experiences of EV ownership mirror your own. We average around 1100 miles a month and mainly charge at home on an overnight tariff and I recon we save £150-200 a month on fuel compared to our last ICE car, a modest Hyundia i20. When I have need of public charging I try and avoid those owned by Shell and BP as I've no intention of supporting them in any way.
I use rapid charges roughly 8 times a year, with most charging from home or free from work. It's only going to get better but certainly not for everyone yet, and shellfishly I don't want everyone jumping onto the EV train just yet as it would diminish a lot of the current benefits quickly.
Great set of video's. I hope you are going to keep us up to-date with it's progress over the years. The one thing I would love to know is how does an electric Zoe get 110k miles on it in 3 years?😊
Hi, thanks for sharing your experience buying the Zoe. I love mine. Can I ask if you have checked the battery health as it would be good to see how robust the battery is after such a good mileage.
A good summary JP. Another plus for EVs is lower road tax because of lower emissions. My main question for ICE drivers is: what are you going to drive when petrol and diesel get banned, or are taxed more heavily to discourage use?
Two things I would have liked to know about your journey are - how many miles/kWh did you achieve overall and at what sort of typical speeds and what typical distances did you cover between charges ? thanks
While i have no axe to grind (diesel and petrol ice owner) you need to price the fuel up at motorway services rates to more fairly compare to mixed cost expensive services ev charger rates.
Good to see some actual figures. Yes rapid charging does appear expensive, after filling up at home on an overnight tariff is so cheap. But, I had to put petrol into my wife's car yesterday and I have no alternative to and I am conditioned to paying whatever the price is. At least with an EV I have choices.
To Jonathan. I've mentioned this before I think, but the airbag is apparently for comfort of the posterior. I don't think it's a crash activated air bag like those in steering wheels.
Regards charging costs. Wholesale electric prices are still double what they were 2 years ago and should come down. For diesel prices to be 50% of current prices you would have to go back to 2003. If you look at diesel prices and ignore the dip in price due to Covid and the spike due Ukraine the average diesel price should be about £1.30 to £1.40 a litre.
I have a 2021 ZE50 and your video has definitely given me a better perspective for when i have to do a 350m round trip each fortnight. thanks. Is there something in your back catalogue which explains auction jargon and procedures? If not, would you be interested in putting something up?
You can take off the £218.25 food/hotel/ferry if you did the same journey in an ICE. Everyone knows 853 miles is easily done in a "oner" without a wimp out overnight stop, your average ICE driver never eats or drinks; and ICE vehicles are so light, due to not having a huge battery, that they're able to drive across water. ;-)
When I need to do a 773 mile journey in one go (that's nearly London-Edinburgh and back), it's more cumbersome compared to an ICE vehicle, but still not impossible, and in your case still likely slightly cheaper. But any other situation, it will be even better than my current Mk1 ZS EV: 70 mile commute to work, weekend jaunt to Leeds/Sheffield/Manchester (120-200 mile round trips), it's fine. On top of this, at home, I can do the most of those for
Hi Jonathan, are you discussing your Zoe experiences so far anywhere? I have a clunking noise when turning sharp left or right which I think may be a CV joint or axle issue. I've had both drop links changed which removed other steering clunking, but this one remains. This is my fourth Zoe (ZE50) and it has 39k miles (bought at 4k). I figured that you might have some hint of this at 100k+! ... or maybe not
Those who are anti EV will not change their minds until they own one and, it appears, some get more spiteful as each rational and legitimate point is put to them.. But by the time they use/buy/lease an EV, the tax incentives with have dissipated and they will have even more to complain about because they haven't had the financial benefits that early and current adopters are enjoying. But forget about them and their 600 mile polluting diesels, their bathtub bladders, their dwindling accounts and their blinkered views - they get what they want and what they deserve. Keep up the good work, help to convince those that are open to new ideas, new ways to save, new ways to clean up the environment (especially locally) and, to be honest, enjoy a much better drive. As I say, good work.
Like you I am an evangelist, but for the ICE and I'm not bothered about the cost of fuel, plus I wouldn't need to arrange my trips around which hotels to stop in, and if my battery was to go flat I would just plug in my booster pack, I'm not sure how that works for EVs, so there's never going be an EV or even a Hybrid for me, just my little rant.
No DPF to fail. No EGR to fail. No injectors to fail. No dual mass flywheel to fail. No 0W30 oil at £15.00 per litre. I am a mechanic and see hideous repair bills on diesels.
Only 3% of cars sold this year were powered by diesel, once the current diesel cars wear out the diesel engine will be gone. Vans will need to switch to alternative fuels as there will be no Diesel available at forecourts within 10-15 years worst case.
EV's are maybe the way of the future in Europe, but for Africa where the infrastructure for electricity is sorely lacking ICE vehicles make more sense. The cost of EV's here is prohibitive and way out of most people's reach, even if you could buy one. Interesting as this is, it does not pertain to places with little or no infrastructure or where distances that need to be travelled make a mockery of lack of EV range. It will be years before ICE vehicles can be replaced here though and then it might be with donkeys.
Good points , instrastucture coupled with solar and battery storage is 2 answer to remote locations , but huge investment needed. Thanks for your thoughts and comments 👍
As with all these videos pro or against EV's it depends on what happens on that day but interesting to see the costs. I think the costs are a bit out, you got a full charge from the garage and your mums so that's in essence free millage that your using to claim is equal to 65mpg for the price you paid. If you added in the cheapest rate for public charging it doesn't seem to work out better than a mildly good diesel. I'm sure this comment will get some hate but just my viewpoint.
As much as the price of rapid chargers is high, I do feel that these businesses that have put in all these chargers, should be allowed to make some of their money back quickly. Without those extra pennies, some of these companies may go bust due to high interest rates. This would be far more of a problem than having to pay a bit extra. Hopefully, once this rotten government has been kicked out, we can see some proper government incentives and strategy to the EV adoption that is going to be needed before 2035.
it's not has if this govt with cash grants, zero VED, zero 'luxury' car tax,5%VAT on domestic electric (vs upto 70%+ on petrol/diesel), near zero BiK tax, salary sacrifice schemes, companies offsetting EVs against tax, £0 ULEZ and CAZ etc haven't been incentivising EV adaption for the last 10 years. The cost must be pushing £10sBILLIONS by now
BP and the other oil companies should be capping their charging fees at 25p / kWh. Payback for all the environmental damage they've done, and all the tax breaks they have been given over the years.
What was time spent on all the charging including at Shoreham Auctions, Hotels, Parents etc. A decent Hybrid would do around 70 to 80 miles per gallon. When taxi drivers have to use EV’s for their livelihood and mostly have to charge on public chargers they have no choice. They are not happy paying extortionate rates for charging as this directly affects their incomes Also the time spent on charging is money lost. As if your wheels are not turning your not earning. Also if 80,000 PCO drivers in London went to EV I really don’t think the infrastructure is ready.
So how does James of James and kate on YT , manage to cover 100k miles in under 2 years in a MG5 and still earn a living servicing EVs all over the country ? 🤔
Don’t know if I’d even trust a modern diesel to go much over 100k miles, with all the pollution cheat devices fitted to them, that coke up the engine and dilute the oil.
Trolls also forget to mention that in modern diesels you have to buy that AdBlue stuff to make it more economical and clean. Mind you knowing the history of false reporting of diesel emissions and economy I wouldn't trust that it does what it says half as well as it claims. In any case it's an extra cost above the cost of the diesel itself and it's not optional. If you don't have it in your diesel vehicle it will shut down until you get some. No additives in an EV.
I don’t think you can call it a cheat device if it actually works which adblue certainly does. Cost for me would be about £20 per 10k miles. Or in EV terms one charge of 25 kWh at a gridserve charger at 3.6 miles per kw - about 90 miles of range. I’m not anti EV, would love one as our second car. But comments such as yours are just as inaccurate and misleading as the idiots on some of the anti EV channels
@@bordersw1239 what part is wrong, apart from you not liking the word cheat? Remove your egr valve and have a look. I’ve given you facts about diesels, unlike anti ev nutjobs
You can rant my man... Well done 🎉🎉 But I bet you would prefer not to have to stop at overpriced service stations I guess, cause you don't care how much it cost to charge on the expensive charges oe have to wait to have expensive coffee. .. Yes is a great rant cause you love EV... But my question is... If you don't care just cause you do sporadic journeys... So what's the point of getting a car meant to save you money? 🎉🎉🎉. still don't justify having an EV 😂😂😂
Nice rant! Keep flogging the 'How long does it take ton charge?' = 5 seconds to plug in when I'm shopping/peeing/eating/sleeping answer, and asking fossil drivers why they can't fill up at home for free/3p a mile? Just so anti-EV it's not rational. If James and Matt can run 50k miles a year commercial servicing vehicles, anyone can do it with ease. Odette (blue Leaf and replacement Leaf after total loss) is now on an MG5 and intends to keep it till it dies!
Using your method of working out the cost i.e. full to start with and getting a free fill up at your mum's, then my 10 plate Mondeo would have cost nothing to do the same journey....
They do quite quickly become free vehicles. My MG5 SR is now on 123750 odd miles. It cost on average 3p a mile to run which is about the cost of main dealer servicing for something like a Ford Focus (which cost exactly the same as buying the MG) so I am saving very nearly the whole fuel cost. My last diesel did 40mpg as a taxi in town. At an average of £1.40 per liter so 123750 miles at 40 mpg = 3093 gallons x 4.55 liters x £1.40 = £19707 saving. At the current cost locally of diesel (£1.53) £21000+ been as the vehicle cost me only £26400. So still assuming a £1.40 per liter average cost of fuel by 165000 miles I will have saved the entire cost of the vehicle. Repairs and replacements are a fraction of a normal fossil car also. The Ford Focus equivelent cost vehicle would by now have had to had its entire engine replaced (wet cambelt engines have an expected life of only 100,000 miles before requiring complete replacement. At an all in cost of around £5000 to £7500. If a new clutch and flywheel was fitted at the same time. I would have had to replace the front disks three time and pads 5 times the rear disks once and pads 3 times. I am not even 50% worn through my 1st set of pads in the MG.
Good to hear some numbers that demonstrate real world numbers. Hopefully it'll inform those anti EV viewers to either modify their views and move onto something else to froth at the mouth about.
I do get a little confused about the people who insist on talking about cost/mile, there is no rule that states that saving the planet has to be cheaper. Ethical goods / fair trade / slave labour / Organic / Local produce / Non single use / Fixable and not disposable, these are all good things for the planet and its people and consumers expect to pay more for them.
You are quite right Jonathan about the mpg for diesel cars. My Golf 1.6 does approx 65mpg in summer but 55mpg in winter.
Thanks very much for your series of videos - it really proves that modern electric cars are very practical for long journeys.
I've been trying to get this point across to people that say the range decreases for EVs during winter. It's exactly the same for ICE cars. I don't travel too far to work, mostly 30-40 mph zones, in summer I get 40-50 mpg, while in winter I get 30-40 mpg. This is approximately 20% loss of efficiency, similar to EVs.
@@gibroon4418yes science at work, air is thicker, roads are wetter and energy is transferred less efficiently. Of course turning your ICE cars heater off doesn’t get you a better mpg. Or rather your diesel might not give heat for a while after starting as it’s more efficient. All vehicles are a compromise but it’s a personal question of what you personally choose to compromise on.
Cheap car well done. I have a Smart ForTwo without heated seats so I bought a heated seat cover from Argos a couple of weeks ago for £27. Its brilliant and even on the lower heat setting its hot enough.
I got one from Aldi for my 320D a couple years ago, it's good as well. Heated seats in our Mini EV are pretty good too.
Good tip!
Love my Zoe 50, all the EV you realistically need… Depreciation only counts come sale time, and seeing that it’s done 100k less than this one, mine’s staying for the foreseeable
Same here 100k less, and same colour.
Wonderful!
Our friend has a Mini diesel which genuinely gets 70 mpg in summer 60mpg in winter
Susan just did 420 miles in our Soul and public charged for £36
No diesel would beat that and importantly prices are coming down
Petrol is going up
The usual comments came in from the EV Trolls I see. Apparently they drive 1200 miles and think diverting 2/3 of a mile will ruin your travel plans in an EV. The usual level of proud idiocy. I wonder if Geoff Buys Cars fans are getting revenge for Jonathan calling him out. The ICE-heads are a bunch of sensitive souls aren't they? Poor diddums! But as the ever wise Jonathan says, they're just boosting his status by adding comments and views. It's very good for the algorithms. 👍👍
I'm not an EV troll and I get the EV utopia thing although it's not for me and I believe that all EV owners are Guinea pigs for test tech. Yet. I like this channel and with my negativity I created discussion and it great for traffic in this channel... 😂😂😂 Andi drive a 2.0 diesel that takes me to the moon and back in case. But I like this channel and I'm not troll... Paradox ah...😅😅😅
I know of someone whose distaste for EVs comes from (a) they cost more, (b) take too long to charge cf. filling at a diesel pump and (c) they don't have the range for him to drive from the Home Counties to Scotland and back - seemingly in a day! - to photograph steam trains. And the less said about GBC the better.
Top quality rant there. 💪 keep up the good work
Thanks colin , i didnt start this video with the intentions of a 'rant' it just happened !
Very impressed that a 110,000 mile Zoe, driving in -5 weather (at least part of the way), did so well with its range.
A great series that has kept me entertained while nursing my man flu. Off to investigate the purchase of a Zoe now. Thanks agin
Thanks for watching, and i hope your man flu is easier 👍 😊
Thanks Jonathan a great series. We have just made a round trip to York in our MG Trophy EV. Rapid charger costs came in at £47. However we topped up to 100% using the Octopus Go tarrif before we left. York is 175 miles from home. The same journey in our previous car, a Ford Focus eco diesel would usually cost us around the £70 mark. However its not all about the cost, there are lots of other benefits. its a cleaner, slicker, smoother, quieter and generally more relaxing way to travel. I am now seriously looking at replacing my 13 year old Nissan Leaf with a Renault Zoe.
Great set of videos, thank you (from a petrol car driver!). I’m still not convinced about the time spent charging when doing longer distances, but seriously considering something for the majority of miles I do locally (and I’d be able to charge at home). The auction videos have opened my eyes to a possible future purchase to avoid that new car ‘hit’.
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EV charging prices. Well said Jonathan..
Love a good rant although you have a long way to go to get to Robert Llewellyn's standard of rant (which i also love)
My diesel Mondeo estate only does 55mpg. I drive from John o Groats to Devon every year. It doesn't get better than that on long runs. My EV van is so cheap to run which surprised me. My future will be EV as I'm sure diesel will go up. I remember paying 27p per litre for diesel
I've really enjoyed this series of videos, Jonathan. As always, you touch on some relevant and very useful points. Fascinating. Thanks again!
Thanks for watching 👍
Hi Jonathan, loved this series. Isn't that airbag under the seat part of the James Bond Ejector seat pack? You need to add the roof removal airbag too! 😂😂😂
I will find out when i film 'wiring ' it up to power 🔋 💪
@@JonathanPorterfield Take care!
Without the ferry deadline that created the circumstances where you almost ran out of juice, there was no great drama and all your video showed was how good a car the Zoe is.
Your experiences are similar to mine with my Kia eniro. Latest trip over 560 miles (Kingsbridge to Melton Mowbray) only needed three charges, one part way up, one long one on the way back and a quick 10 minute job at Exeter. No hassle at all. MPGe. 62. Mpg
Well done JP, a most astute car purchase and mini adventure!
Jonathan another superb video showing the naked truth, thank you mate. That Zoe seems to be the steal of the century....Keep up the excellent work.
Thank you 😊
Good point
Thanks for watching!
Rant away Jonathan, if you're ever in Sheffield, come and rant at my father outlaw who constantly reminds me that it will cost me thousands of pounds when I have to change the battery on my 2016 Kia Soul. I keep asking him why I would need to change it when it's still at 100% SOH.
Just thought Jonathan, you're on Octopus Go with those rates. Intelligent Octopus Go is now available for Zappi owners, daytime rate is the same but 6 hours (minimum) at 7.5p and 15p export rate. I've just scheduled a charge tonight and it's starting 30 minutes before the cheap rate tonight so I'll get 6.5 hours at 7.5p
great video's and the milage you did would be a little cheaper than my skoda superb 2l diesel estate ( 5 year average 62mpg) so as long as the zero tax and insurance stays low it makes sense .The only thing against it is the time and cost for you to get home ,but has changed my mind a little ,but a journey like that would have used a tank and quarter and be doable in just over a day, but for me , to commute , a slightly larger EV would make sense
Cost me £250 to bring my Zoe back, to the Isle of Man from the UK, but there is no choice but rapid charges when in the UK and it never costs that much compared to filling an ICE vehicle. Thanks I have loved these videos.
Thanks for watching, more videos to come about my Zoe , next is what servicing it's had done.
Great series of videos, having just got my first EV, (a Zoe ) it's been very interesting especially chat about charging, I have solar and battery and a rate of 7.5p between 23.30 and 5.30, I also get 15p for export so for me it's simple, charge car and house battery at cheap rate and export whatever I produce, no messing around,
Like Jonathan, I am on Octopus. I am interested in knowing who your provider is and how the “export” works.
Like Jonathan, I am on Octopus. I am interested in knowing who your provider is and how the “export” works.
I'm with octopus, if you sign up to intelligent go then you sign up to outgoing octopus fixed for 12 months you will get 15p per unit export , depending on your region
Great series of videos, look forward to more Zoe footage.
More coming !
@JonathanPorterfield My wife has the same model and at a set of lights I upset a new model range rover by leaving it behind. It's a really nice car to drive.
My MG5 sr is now on 123750 miles in under 3 years. In use as a taxi 7 days a week.
Really good video. What I love is the rant :D but also that a 110k mile EV is still working and I bet will get you 100k miles more and make all your money back in fuel savings.
I think that’s a great way of looking at it. 95% of my journeys are on free electric from work or cheap overnight octopus. The other free journeys I make where I need to public charge. I don’t care what it costs. I’ve done 14000 miles since April and spent about £200 of my own money.
Very well said ! A good rant, totally agree, I don’t car the cost, just want a rapid to work 👍👍
Exactly!
i agree with you . having solar at home you are making your own fuel, well a large percentage of the time. also some from the grid.there must also be a large benefit with saving on servicing costs. ps i like the videos.
Excellent Video🎉
When i purchased my Renault Zoe Q90 ZE40 brand new in 2017 ( now on 78,000 miles i ordered the car with AC43 charging ( No choice of CCS in 2017 ) and heated seats which are great and should be standard on all EV's.
Best ICE car I had for mileage only still gave me 45mpg and it was a diesel. I like getting up to speed and driving as the condition allow, but my EV does this and worst case seems to be 210 miles in the winter and 270 in the summer months (Double digit temperatures!)
Bearing in mind that over the past two and a half years my Kia E Niro has driven 23870 miles at a cost of £788.37, so about 3.3 pence per mile. Majority of charges were at home and it includes an 870 mile trip to Disneyland Paris and used 240 kWh.
Prices of rapid chargers are therefore part of the ownership. It is like finding you needed fuel and there was one remote filling station charging 50% extra then normal. People would still fill up if the needed to.
Hopefully electricity costs will drop soon as Tesla show it can be done, being about half the cost.
And to all those out there who say: yes but I can't charge at home. Neither can I and I still pay far less than I did in petrol for my 1.2 litre Skoda Roomster.
Enjoyed that Jonathan....you sure you didn't spend some time with @BobbyLlew while you were darn sarf? You seem to have not only joined him in his rants but nicked his sign off line too...or did he nick it off you? Now there's a question!😂
Great job at debunking the myths, I'm looking forward to your investigations into the mysterious airbag and I wonder how you're going to deal with the heated steering and seats. More tinkering to come by the sound of it, jolly good. 👍👏
If the zoe or your charger works with Octopus you should move to intelligent tariff, its 7.5p kw 11.30pm to 5.30am. In the 3 months we have had it it sets off 'intelligently' charging as soon as you plug in, it doesn't wait until over night. Which is handy if you have the cooker/washer etc on. It even starts 'intelligently' charging when octopus are paying others not to use power because it a dark wind-less day. I'm sure they'll sort their software out eventually....
Having just watched another UA-camr also a EV owner ,he did a breakdown on a John ‘ogroats to lands end run and his figures are substantially different to these figures making a EV more expensive using public charging points.
Would be helpful if you could link the video rather than just say "someone".
ua-cam.com/video/2-4wfrMtHe0/v-deo.htmlsi=0r6hZnvvDPv97Wnv
@@gerryparker7699 Not sure how to link it but the video was by Modern Heroes I think.
Ps: I love your commitment on that travel to get a car. It does proves you've got lots of time in your hand (which is not a crime btw) so you can own an EV 🎉🎉🎉
But even if Jonathan wasn't retired and had less time, it would have been worth taking a couple of days holiday to do the trip to Shoreham. Bear in mind the cheapest Zoe 52kwh for sale this week has a retail price of £10,500.
@@01jvb I don't dispute the trip is great... I once went from the lakes to king's Lynn to buy a car.
Well done on the trip Jonathan, I enjoyed watching all the videos. Right on all your points in this one, the naysayers will remain naysayers for a while yet. They don't seem to realise it's not all (or even mostly) about cost anyway. My wife was given a lift by a friend the other day and commented later how archaic the car she was driven in seemed!
Thank you for an interesting and informative video. MY personal experiences of EV ownership mirror your own. We average around 1100 miles a month and mainly charge at home on an overnight tariff and I recon we save £150-200 a month on fuel compared to our last ICE car, a modest Hyundia i20. When I have need of public charging I try and avoid those owned by Shell and BP as I've no intention of supporting them in any way.
Thank you for your comments, i too avoid Shell and BP pulse , mainly as they rarely work for me 🤣
I use rapid charges roughly 8 times a year, with most charging from home or free from work.
It's only going to get better but certainly not for everyone yet, and shellfishly I don't want everyone jumping onto the EV train just yet as it would diminish a lot of the current benefits quickly.
Great series of Vids.
Thanks 👍
Great set of video's. I hope you are going to keep us up to-date with it's progress over the years. The one thing I would love to know is how does an electric Zoe get 110k miles on it in 3 years?😊
Or 97 miles for everyday of those 3 years !
Im asking around to find out who drove these miles 🤔
When you said flask, I instantly thought of alcohol because I from the US LOL. We would say thermos.
Noted on the difference for my USA viewers 😂😂
Isn't thermos a brand name?
Hi, thanks for sharing your experience buying the Zoe. I love mine. Can I ask if you have checked the battery health as it would be good to see how robust the battery is after such a good mileage.
Hi , watch this video where i see from James the SOH ! ua-cam.com/video/ht_UMCBPd04/v-deo.htmlsi=Zq1pqBHe80h5uK_4
A good summary JP. Another plus for EVs is lower road tax because of lower emissions. My main question for ICE drivers is: what are you going to drive when petrol and diesel get banned, or are taxed more heavily to discourage use?
Two things I would have liked to know about your journey are - how many miles/kWh did you achieve overall and at what sort of typical speeds and what typical distances did you cover between charges ? thanks
While i have no axe to grind (diesel and petrol ice owner) you need to price the fuel up at motorway services rates to more fairly compare to mixed cost expensive services ev charger rates.
Good to see some actual figures. Yes rapid charging does appear expensive, after filling up at home on an overnight tariff is so cheap. But, I had to put petrol into my wife's car yesterday and I have no alternative to and I am conditioned to paying whatever the price is. At least with an EV I have choices.
Still an absolute bargain and a mini adventure to boot
I loved the trip 😍
To Jonathan. I've mentioned this before I think, but the airbag is apparently for comfort of the posterior. I don't think it's a crash activated air bag like those in steering wheels.
Don’t quote facts at them Jonathan! They don’t like it! All diesels get 75mpg and you don’t need to stop ever… 😂
He is being disingenuous by using the figures he did....
Would you care to explain?@@andyphillips7437
Regards charging costs. Wholesale electric prices are still double what they were 2 years ago and should come down. For diesel prices to be 50% of current prices you would have to go back to 2003. If you look at diesel prices and ignore the dip in price due to Covid and the spike due Ukraine the average diesel price should be about £1.30 to £1.40 a litre.
I have a 2021 ZE50 and your video has definitely given me a better perspective for when i have to do a 350m round trip each fortnight. thanks. Is there something in your back catalogue which explains auction jargon and procedures? If not, would you be interested in putting something up?
Hi peter , what you mean about auction jargon?
You can take off the £218.25 food/hotel/ferry if you did the same journey in an ICE. Everyone knows 853 miles is easily done in a "oner" without a wimp out overnight stop, your average ICE driver never eats or drinks; and ICE vehicles are so light, due to not having a huge battery, that they're able to drive across water. ;-)
🤣🤣🤣 you're so right ✅️ 👏 🤣🤣🤣
When I need to do a 773 mile journey in one go (that's nearly London-Edinburgh and back), it's more cumbersome compared to an ICE vehicle, but still not impossible, and in your case still likely slightly cheaper.
But any other situation, it will be even better than my current Mk1 ZS EV: 70 mile commute to work, weekend jaunt to Leeds/Sheffield/Manchester (120-200 mile round trips), it's fine. On top of this, at home, I can do the most of those for
On another note - don't suppose you could source me a Mach-E or Enyaq in 2024 😉
We can source any ev 👍
I don’t understand why Ev haters watch a channel dedicated to EV cars,puzzled of Walsall
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Hi Jonathan, are you discussing your Zoe experiences so far anywhere? I have a clunking noise when turning sharp left or right which I think may be a CV joint or axle issue. I've had both drop links changed which removed other steering clunking, but this one remains. This is my fourth Zoe (ZE50) and it has 39k miles (bought at 4k). I figured that you might have some hint of this at 100k+! ... or maybe not
Those who are anti EV will not change their minds until they own one and, it appears, some get more spiteful as each rational and legitimate point is put to them.. But by the time they use/buy/lease an EV, the tax incentives with have dissipated and they will have even more to complain about because they haven't had the financial benefits that early and current adopters are enjoying. But forget about them and their 600 mile polluting diesels, their bathtub bladders, their dwindling accounts and their blinkered views - they get what they want and what they deserve. Keep up the good work, help to convince those that are open to new ideas, new ways to save, new ways to clean up the environment (especially locally) and, to be honest, enjoy a much better drive. As I say, good work.
Thank you 😊
The non-believers won't be swayed, for sure. 8-)
I don't believe. I understand it's great for some but for a reason the non VElievers are less convinced of the day to day practicality 😂😂😂😂
You know theres a better octopus deal Jonathan? 6hrs; 11.30-5.30, I’ve been getting 11-7 most nights, for 7.5p keep up tje good work 👍👏
Yes , but my smart meter is playing up and i cant switch yet to a better tarriff
Like you I am an evangelist, but for the ICE and I'm not bothered about the cost of fuel, plus I wouldn't need to arrange my trips around which hotels to stop in, and if my battery was to go flat I would just plug in my booster pack, I'm not sure how that works for EVs, so there's never going be an EV or even a Hybrid for me, just my little rant.
That's okay charging at a hotel IF you don't need to get home. Plus in that case you should add the room cost to your fuel bill.
Im of an age where even if i was in a fossil fueled vehicle, after 5/6 hours of driving , im 'done' and i need to rest up and sleep !
No DPF to fail. No EGR to fail. No injectors to fail. No dual mass flywheel to fail. No 0W30 oil at £15.00 per litre. I am a mechanic and see hideous repair bills on diesels.
Only 3% of cars sold this year were powered by diesel, once the current diesel cars wear out the diesel engine will be gone. Vans will need to switch to alternative fuels as there will be no Diesel available at forecourts within 10-15 years worst case.
EV's are maybe the way of the future in Europe, but for Africa where the infrastructure for electricity is sorely lacking ICE vehicles make more sense. The cost of EV's here is prohibitive and way out of most people's reach, even if you could buy one. Interesting as this is, it does not pertain to places with little or no infrastructure or where distances that need to be travelled make a mockery of lack of EV range. It will be years before ICE vehicles can be replaced here though and then it might be with donkeys.
Good points , instrastucture coupled with solar and battery storage is 2 answer to remote locations , but huge investment needed.
Thanks for your thoughts and comments 👍
Thanks Jonathan. Very interesting I didn’t consider it a rant. It may educate some doubters and as for the rest. Well …
As with all these videos pro or against EV's it depends on what happens on that day but interesting to see the costs. I think the costs are a bit out, you got a full charge from the garage and your mums so that's in essence free millage that your using to claim is equal to 65mpg for the price you paid. If you added in the cheapest rate for public charging it doesn't seem to work out better than a mildly good diesel. I'm sure this comment will get some hate but just my viewpoint.
I did state the 'free' charges from shoreham and my mums , in the video .....
As much as the price of rapid chargers is high, I do feel that these businesses that have put in all these chargers, should be allowed to make some of their money back quickly. Without those extra pennies, some of these companies may go bust due to high interest rates. This would be far more of a problem than having to pay a bit extra. Hopefully, once this rotten government has been kicked out, we can see some proper government incentives and strategy to the EV adoption that is going to be needed before 2035.
it's not has if this govt with cash grants, zero VED, zero 'luxury' car tax,5%VAT on domestic electric (vs upto 70%+ on petrol/diesel), near zero BiK tax, salary sacrifice schemes, companies offsetting EVs against tax, £0 ULEZ and CAZ etc haven't been incentivising EV adaption for the last 10 years. The cost must be pushing £10sBILLIONS by now
BP and the other oil companies should be capping their charging fees at 25p / kWh. Payback for all the environmental damage they've done, and all the tax breaks they have been given over the years.
What was time spent on all the charging including at Shoreham Auctions, Hotels, Parents etc. A decent Hybrid would do around 70 to 80 miles per gallon. When taxi drivers have to use EV’s for their livelihood and mostly have to charge on public chargers they have no choice. They are not happy paying extortionate rates for charging as this directly affects their incomes Also the time spent on charging is money lost. As if your wheels are not turning your not earning. Also if 80,000 PCO drivers in London went to EV I really don’t think the infrastructure is ready.
So how does James of James and kate on YT , manage to cover 100k miles in under 2 years in a MG5 and still earn a living servicing EVs all over the country ? 🤔
Taxi drivers still need to have a rest break during which they can charge.
out of interest - what's the SOH on the zoe battery after 110k miles?
Its covered in part 5 ! ua-cam.com/video/ht_UMCBPd04/v-deo.htmlsi=oTHI_PT2nEmvuFbF
Don’t know if I’d even trust a modern diesel to go much over 100k miles, with all the pollution cheat devices fitted to them, that coke up the engine and dilute the oil.
Trolls also forget to mention that in modern diesels you have to buy that AdBlue stuff to make it more economical and clean. Mind you knowing the history of false reporting of diesel emissions and economy I wouldn't trust that it does what it says half as well as it claims. In any case it's an extra cost above the cost of the diesel itself and it's not optional. If you don't have it in your diesel vehicle it will shut down until you get some. No additives in an EV.
I don’t think you can call it a cheat device if it actually works which adblue certainly does. Cost for me would be about £20 per 10k miles. Or in EV terms one charge of 25 kWh at a gridserve charger at 3.6 miles per kw - about 90 miles of range. I’m not anti EV, would love one as our second car. But comments such as yours are just as inaccurate and misleading as the idiots on some of the anti EV channels
@@bordersw1239 what part is wrong, apart from you not liking the word cheat? Remove your egr valve and have a look. I’ve given you facts about diesels, unlike anti ev nutjobs
Great video, well balanced comments, just proves what you can do in a EV👍🏻
Do you remember the miles per kWh for your journey home?
Intelligent octopus is only 7.5p now
Yes , im waiting on a new smart meter so i can switch tariff 👍
And these diesels, are they factoring in the cost of adblue? 😂
You can rant my man... Well done 🎉🎉 But I bet you would prefer not to have to stop at overpriced service stations I guess, cause you don't care how much it cost to charge on the expensive charges oe have to wait to have expensive coffee. .. Yes is a great rant cause you love EV... But my question is... If you don't care just cause you do sporadic journeys... So what's the point of getting a car meant to save you money? 🎉🎉🎉. still don't justify having an EV 😂😂😂
Of course you need to add £30m to the journey cost for all the bridges to be rebuilt 😂
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You charge on solar during the night ha ha ha
Yes i do !
ua-cam.com/video/132-k2FzfVY/v-deo.htmlsi=zsUnoctvvM4mi6lv
Maybe diesel brigade will take us back to the golden age of steam next. I can get 200 miles out of every lump of coal y'know! 🤣
Nice rant! Keep flogging the 'How long does it take ton charge?' = 5 seconds to plug in when I'm shopping/peeing/eating/sleeping answer, and asking fossil drivers why they can't fill up at home for free/3p a mile? Just so anti-EV it's not rational. If James and Matt can run 50k miles a year commercial servicing vehicles, anyone can do it with ease. Odette (blue Leaf and replacement Leaf after total loss) is now on an MG5 and intends to keep it till it dies!
Hi Odette thanks for watching and good to hear from you 😊 😀
Using your method of working out the cost i.e. full to start with and getting a free fill up at your mum's, then my 10 plate Mondeo would have cost nothing to do the same journey....
WRONG. There's 5L to a galon in the UK. We are not American.
There are 3.8L in a U.S. gallon....
UK imperial is 4.54 litres to a gallon
no, its 4.546092 litres to an imperial gallon
What matters is the average cost of the fuel/electric over the longterm/life, EVs look like they will win over the long term
They do quite quickly become free vehicles. My MG5 SR is now on 123750 odd miles. It cost on average 3p a mile to run which is about the cost of main dealer servicing for something like a Ford Focus (which cost exactly the same as buying the MG) so I am saving very nearly the whole fuel cost. My last diesel did 40mpg as a taxi in town. At an average of £1.40 per liter so 123750 miles at 40 mpg = 3093 gallons x 4.55 liters x £1.40 = £19707 saving. At the current cost locally of diesel (£1.53) £21000+ been as the vehicle cost me only £26400.
So still assuming a £1.40 per liter average cost of fuel by 165000 miles I will have saved the entire cost of the vehicle. Repairs and replacements are a fraction of a normal fossil car also. The Ford Focus equivelent cost vehicle would by now have had to had its entire engine replaced (wet cambelt engines have an expected life of only 100,000 miles before requiring complete replacement. At an all in cost of around £5000 to £7500. If a new clutch and flywheel was fitted at the same time. I would have had to replace the front disks three time and pads 5 times the rear disks once and pads 3 times. I am not even 50% worn through my 1st set of pads in the MG.
You forgot the elephant in the room - depreciation.