Amazing Reining freestyle!
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2017
- Joe Sutherland and Dommandalena perform at the 2016 Equus and Overture in Nampa Idaho at Ford Idaho Horse Park.
This outstanding stallion is standing at stud in American Falls Idaho at Zimmerman Performance Horses owned David and Lorene Zimmerman. Contact us about his offspring that are available, Breeding, and any other questions or comments you may have through our Facebook page "Zimmerman Performance Horses" or here on you UA-cam! thanks for watching!
You’re putting all those other cowboys to sham. What a wonderful display of perfect horse and rider communication! Brilliant.
Freiwillig ohne Zwang !!
Das ist die Kunst des Reitens zwischen Mensch und Pferd !
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Wow! Reining is my favorite western sport and to see it bridless and with many dressage moves thrown in is phenomenal!
Julie Feasal Thank you so much for your comment! This is truly a very special horse.
I love how the horse is so calm and curious 😊 so cuutteee
this was so beautiful! amazing team work
Wow, Seriously, WOW! All I kept thinking of were the tens-of-thousands of hours those two have been in an arena together. Dommandalena is absolutely push-button for Joe Sutherland.
Man, that colt shines. Joe must have chamois sewn into those slacks of his. I bet that good-looking son-of-a-gun is super slick.
Wow! Love reining and that was one heck of a show with all the dressage. Absolutely awesome 🤩 ❤
Thank you so much!
❤🔥❤🔥Thank you for all the beauty and inspiration!❤🔥❤🔥
With regard to this situation 'head down' in horse language / horse psychology means: 'submission of free will'. Those who moan about the mare's head position care too much about dressage drilling tradition and too little about natural horse behavior.
What a beautiful connection Joe
Thank you so much Michelle!
This horse is absolutely adorable!!
Omg how'd he canter that slow and all of it just amazing!!!!
That was absolutely AWESOME ‼️
Thank you so much Shoma!
Incredible!!!!! What a beautiful connection they have with each other❤❤❤
Beautiful to watch, thank you ❤️❤️❤️
I was trained a bit in academic riding (for people who don't know: is the concept of horse training that benefit the Horse, coming from understanding the horses anatomy, the same training used with Royal Lippizan horses in Vienna) back when I had horses, I learned the horses head/neck should go relaxed down, as step 1 during training (not curved) , in order for the horse to first get relaxed and give/lift its back to the rider. From there, you could work on step 2, which is the horse lifting the head a slight bit more / rounding the neck to a degree but still naturally (not forced through reins! ) this only should happen through the activation and build up of the right muscles, from the stomach and back part.
I believe people are used to see horses being forced curved by the reins, or high neck/head style, and think this is natural and how it should be, because it looks good to the eye. This happens especially in English riding style, that they pull in the Horse and control the horse through the reins. But it is so wrong. It does not benefit the horse in any way, yet nobody complaines about it, because wrong doing by horses have become so normal. Which is very sad ! Even the riders of the queens stables in England, I have seen does this 😕
But on the other hand I have noticed that many western riders allow their horses neck to be low and relaxed, which is lovely to see!
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Terrific performance by both horse & rider!
Hey thanks!
Brilliant Video! I showed it to Heinz and he was impressed. Below you can read his reaction:
Dear Joe Sutherland!
My name is Heinz Springstein and I conduct education and training of horses in Germany.
Our label is called Security-Horses and our work is quite similar to what you showed in your performence "Amazing Reining freestyle!". I have a strong desire to declare deep respect to you.
I wish you many success and good luck for the future. May God bless you and your horse Dommandalena.
Heinz Springstein
Security Horses Fan,
Wow, thank you so much!
I am honored by your complements about my horse and I. Thank you for taking the time to share this with me!
I would like to know more about your training at Security Horses.
I look forward to learning more about you.
Thanks again!
beyond words and beauty thank you
So beautyfull 😲✨❤️
No, before you comment "the head is to low" , save your energy.
The horse is calm and relaxed, obviously, he trusts his rider.
The horse is free to move their head whenever as they do not have reigns pulling their head up.
If you still think im wrong, then explain to me how he is keeping the horses head down the entire time?
No tie downs, No reigns, It is simply the horse doing what it pleases/ what is most comfortable.
So dont go into the comments pretending you "know about horses" and "have ridden them" and "own one"
because youre wrong. So wrong that I would put you in a beginners class on learning about horses.
Sorry this is quite long, it just fustrates me when people claim to "know the horse and whats abuse". Chances are, No you do
not know this specific horse, and you do not know its riding style.
(ps Joe, love the routine, absolutely amazing)
Celeste Rush
And to add
Low headset = horse is engaging the muscles in their back.
And that is a GOOD THING. Horses with a high headset can arch their spine down, which can cause major issues down the line.
People who think this is cruel don't actually know much about horses.
Celeste Rush, thank you very much!
Easy... training for the low head.
He's asking the horse to keep its head low the same as the horse is responding to all other cues and training, sheesh. 😂🤦🏻♀️ Yes, at moments it is TOO low, not because of abuse or any bad reason, it's just unnecessarily extreme and ridiculous. Looks stupid and is not allowing the horse to carry naturally where it wants, the same as forcing high carriage. Except forcing high carriage can have negative health impacts whereas low does not. But whatever. They're obviously a great team otherwise, the horse is beautiful trained and conditioned, and it's the sports' chosen aesthetic. 🙄😆 So carry on. Great performance
Ohne Gewalt ! Nur mit gefuehl !
Wunderbar
People who think the head is too low obviously don't know that is actually a good thing. The horse that is lowering the head (willingly by the way) is engaging their spine and back muscles so they can carry the rider weight better. This... is a good thing. It means that the horse is NOT in pain when the rider is on.
A high headset arches the spine down. That creates a weak back. Either they do this from bad training, or from pain. And if it's from bad training, it can cause pain down the road.
Learn about horses before you make a comment.
umm....Crap!
it is just so unnatural and why does he do this? Self preservation - he's had the mouth ripped on plenty!
@@jeannegladstone7338 you have seen it personally then?
Look at his conformation. It would be physically uncomfortable for him to go with his neck up in the air. Yes, he's been trained to lower his neck and raise his back, but no amount of "ripping o his face" will produce this relaxation and trust.
There is a lot to love about this but from a dressage viewpoint there are some things not so good. The head carriage is a false engagement and comes from a Western Pleasure background. I do love liberty work though. It is my favorite by far because the horse must choose to stay with you.
love that live orchester
Island boy and the black. 🐎🐎🐎
Finally! Someone gets it!! 😅
What excellent riders the men who domesticated horses must have been.
Wie viele Jahre Arbeit da drinnen stecken um so ein tolles Ergebnis zu erhalten?! Volles Vertrauen von Pferd und Reiter zueinander und wenige Hilfen genügen um sich zu verstehen. Wobei Hilfen hier schon nicht mehr das richtige Wort ist. Ich möchte es lieber Zeichen nennen. Das schafft man nur, wenn Pferd und Mensch sich in und auswendig kennen. Ich bin beeindruckt und hätte nichts dagegen, wenn ich je die Gelegenheit bekommen würde ein Pferd eben so gut kennenlernen zu dürfen.
The horse and rider are good. There is a lot of time spent on that routine.
maestro
Everything is great but the horses head stays to low to the ground.
Apsirlootly Beautiful Contentment
Beautiful performance! Boy, that horse is shiny!... I felt the man is slightly too tall for this horse... and, why is the magnificent horse holding is head so low with his rider on?...🦋
Yes his head very low weird .
EXTREME low head is a western pleasure and reining preference. Kind of silly in my opinion. Low relaxed carriage is excellent, but some of that is just too extreme and silly haha
Pretty sure that "Think Like A Horse" would criticize that as "too loud music for sensitive horse ears".
Wonder why the horse carries his head so low all the time ?
And I though I was extra
Big man or small horse?
A cantering horse free of Rein carries himself with pride, this poor animal cannot hold his neck high, the stride is short and he seems extremely uncomfortable.
I agree. Looks more like an unhappy puppet on a string.
I agree and disagree with the comments about the horse's head being low.
The head being low is certainly better than the alternative, being too high and hollowing. And a low head is a sign of relaxation and stretches the back nicely.
However, having the head that low all the time does put a lot of weight on the forehand, which is not ideal, and the horse is not stepping through with the hindlegs to lift the back.
There may be some benefit to working the horse in a higher frame every once in a while to try and encourage those hindlegs to come under a bit more, but considering this horse's conformation, (built downhill) it's a bit unfair to expect the horse to work in that type of collected frame all the time. Is this frame with the lowered head classically correct? No. Is it comfortable for this particular horse? Yes.
Overall, I am very impressed with the horse's willingness and obedience to the rider. It's clear that they have a strong bond and have worked hard to get here.
This is just my opinion, and please be aware that I am evaluating this from a dressage perspective, not a reining perspective where the lowered head may be considered desirable and bred for.
As you said too, I agree and disagree.
The "low head" you see on most reining horses comes from years of trending down, and also hugely corresponds to conformation of the horse. Quarter Horses (the base breed for this style of riding) and their relative breeds, is built on a bit of an upside down, flattened "U" shape, with the neck coming out of the shoulder at a much lower angle than that of a traditional Dressage horse. This said, its probably to blame for most traditional style or dressage inclined riders to seeing the head as "too low". And just as the perfectly collected and upright carriage of a dressage horse looks a little funny to reining folks, we pretty much agree that that's what the horse should be doing. That's what it was bred for.
I'm not saying, however, that *all* of that headset comes from conformation. There is a great deal of training and years of practice to turn out a seasoned reining horse, though QH do tend to be started earlier. And believe it or not, most fundamental, basic training for reining (and a lot of other Western styles) comes from dressage! Flexibility and motion exercises, "two-tracking" and rear end engagement are a must. To you, maybe the backend isn't reaching through and engaging to lift the back. I see a rounded and relaxed horse who was bred to have long, low strides that - by breed standard - should not show a great deal of action.
Though I could go on alllll day about Pleasure horses and their artificial, painful "peanut rolling" headsets and how that needs to be chopped out of the show ring as soon as humanly possible. But that's a rant for another day.
Sorry for the word salad, hope it was educational at least?
@@corneliaswiney4212 I think Rose was saying that the back end is not reaching under and engaging to lift the spine and the FRONT end.... Horse is heavy on the forehand and looks like tippy toeing in the back end, plus very short, clipped, restrained strides on all gaits -- that's what it looks like to me. 🤷🏻♀️ Gorgeous horse and performance though. I agree with most of what both of you said, and I'm learning from the rest. Very nice evaluations, thanks for sharing.
I think it makes the horse look more like just a puppet on on a string and not very happy about what he’s being asked to do.
To whoever says "Heads to low" Answer me this Hows he keeping the head down hmmm
Great work that was a wonderful ride
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why is the peanut plow the way these horses are trained..? it look so unbalanced and unnatural...
Gut gemacht, aber diese extrem tiefe Kopfhaltung erscheint mir doch sehr unphysiologisch, liegt doch dadurch 80% Gewicht auf der Vorhand. Das kann für die Gelenke auf Dauer kaum förderlich sein…..
Interesting how the horse comes out with its head in a natural position and as soon as the man gets on the horse down goes the head. At times it's nose almost touching the ground. As soon as he gets off the horse it's head comes back up in a natural position. I'm ashamed to tell people I used to have quarter horses.
Denise Rusconi why are you ashamed of having quarter horses? because you stereotype and figure that others will do the same?
Denise Rusconi i have a quarter horse i see nothing wrong with having a quarter horse it's nothing to be ashamed of?!
Denise Rusconi You do realize that when a horse drops their head, they are using more of their back mucles...
And... That's a good thing...
A head that's high is arching the back down, probably from pain or bad training...
I think the headset during parts of this ride is a little extreme and silly also, but why on EARTH would that make you shamed to own quarter horses?! They're not my fav breed at all, and I don't have any, but I have nothing against them and think they're generally wonderful animals! Don't judge an entire breed by the training of some. 😮 Especially since a low headset doesn't really have any negative effects at all and even has some positive ones if done well.
Head position iw totally unnatural!!!!
Beautiful performance until the rider mounted. Then it's so sad to see the horse following the fad of holding his head down low, looking depressed and deformed. I'm not tuned into current Western styles, but whenever I see this method on UA-cam I just gag. How did this method of training ever get started? I've heard both sides of the argument, but it's hard to believe something as unnatural as this style of riding is good for the horse. You would never see a horse behaving this way naturally unless he's sick or injured.
This horse plays with his head very low, he is very comfortable there without any kind of control over it. If he wanted to perform with his head up he sure could have.
normally you would not see a wild horse with a man or woman on its back but it is what it is a way of showing of the horses skill
The head position of this horse is the result of training. Just as everything else in this performance. It is a routine, a circus act if you like. Classically trained horses (and there are fewer of those than you might think!) are trained to bring their hindquarters under themselves developing those muscles that carry the weight of the rider. They also lower their heads often during their work as a way of stretching and relaxing their back and neck muscles, all on a loose rein. I can see how a lowered head could have developed from ‘cutting’ cattle. But to me they all look to be far too much on the forehand. I might also mention that in Spain and Portugal classically trained stallions are used daily to Hurd and ‘cut’ cattle. No lassoing though. Perhaps that is the true reason for the low head carriage? To keep the horses head and neck out of the way of the rope? I wonder how long these low head carriage horse’s front legs last? For the record I deplore the use of draw reins and ‘rolkur’🤬
It doesn’t come across as a joyful partnership.
Head is way to low when being ridden
Carolyn Shaffer I would agree if something was on him and pulling him down but there isn't. When a horse is stretching its head down it can make it easier to carry weight, especially with his down hill build. No hate🙂
How did is this a bad thing
Dose it look right seeing a magnificent intelligent God animal preform with its head down!!! If only we could control demonic humans like this it would have a much higher status!!! The things we do to entertain human egos!🙄 Beautiful horse ✨ hope it like what it’s been programmed to do!!!!!!!
Бедная лошадь,жалко животное!какой то извращенец!
Horrible the horse without any natural collection, eating almost dirt from the ground
Western riding is not natural because the horses attitude isnt
Thanks for your comment. It's interesting how thousands of people disagree with you. I'd love to see a video of your freestyle riding in any discipline! Let's see what qualifies your opinion.
@@joereiner the head is rather low but this horse is extremely fit and well muscled so obviously happy .is it pure quarter as it looks more thoroughbred type .
@@joereiner Hi Joe, have just watched you with your lovely horse in action. I always taught my horses to go long and low to build strength in their backs and abdomen. When I gave in the reins I used to increase my give as my horse became comfortable and seeking contact. If I gave nearly all of the reins my horse would quite comfortably and naturally lower his head and neck stretching down and relaxing
You have to watch this with your heart to see how terrible this is.