Fixing 1X Chainring Noise | Tech Tuesday
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- Calvin and Truman confront two common problem noises - the 1X rumble and the direct mount chainring creak - and go over the proper procedure for getting rid of them.
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Wow, I had no idea that glue stuff existed. Another couple things for the workshop!
It's pretty much the same stuff as loctite retaining compound and primer if you can't find the park branded stuff. The good news is that they both cost about the same so you're not paying extra for the blue label to match the rest of your tools.
The narrow teeth are the ones that grip the chain the most. Since they are narrower, they wear down faster.
The wide teeth retain the chain from side-to-side play, and their wider profile makes them less prone to wear and tear.
smart ass
It seems like the adhesive compound is only necessitated by the advent of these splined-style chainring-to-crank interfaces -- I thought the primary selling point of these was "ease of swapping chainrings" but not really the case if you need to use this compound to avoid creaks. I'm inclined to stick with traditional bolted chainrings (various "BCD" standards). Am I missing anything here?
I was going nuts trying to figure out the noise after the new chain was on. I thought at first the shop sold me the wrong one, but it was as recommended for my new 11spd cassette by SRAM. Watched this video and knew it was exactly what you showed, old worn 1x Raceface narrow/wide chainring. Ordered a new chainring, put it on.. voila, no noise! Thank you.
You guys rock. Thanks for sharing these tips in such an entertaining fashion!
Shimano XT/SLX steel toothed chainrings with composite body are awesome..... as a 200lb rider that does 200 miles per month, I don't want aluminum anywhere in my drive train, especially the chainring. They also solve the having to "glue my kool new DM chainring to my cranks" issue too. lmao
i fixed it by filing away the hook. dished chainrings for bafang mid drive motors aren't that cheap, usually 50-100 bucks.. and the filing nor the wear changes the pitch, teeth will just be thinner, but plenty thick enough to go many more miles.
just had this problem but only when i changed a kmc 10 speed to a 10 speed shimano ,it sounds like a creaking ship rigging, but only under load
I was completely out of ideas when my 20 year old Campy 10 speed bike made this noise and i had just replaced the cassette and chain. I tried another new cassette on a different wheel with the same result. Then, I found this video here. Wow, that was the noise. I had trashed a fourth set of chain rings in my lifetime. Since it was C10 and everybody wants C11 or C12 and nobody wants C10 anymore I got a new set of Record UT carbon cranks for only $147 with cups. With the newer Q - factor on the new cranks makes the bike more comfortable than I ever thought it could be. THANKS PARK!
This is SO MESSED UP!
This is the 3d time I have a problem in my bike and you guys upload a video to fix that problem!
Thank you!
Its because the chain ring is made from a very poor quality metal .
Just watching the footage shows the skinny teeth are the ones grabbing more (not all of them are). Have to agree with others here that they would degrade faster. But I disagree that they are wearing down faster. In terms of lost material, they are probably wearing at about the same rate. But with less surface area on the engagement surface (the one that wears), they will change shape on the profile faster and therefore take on the hooked profile shape sooner. It's not just about more vs. less material. It's specifically the surface area of the wearing surface.
The skinny, less material is easier to get the hook shape!!!
Probably it’s down to the way the chainring is locked down. I just have experience with Race Face Chinch and had never had an issue on four bikes using (thick) grease. I’d be not delighted to clean that mess up on the crank that is left by the compound.
steel file the only solution for that...
just changed my cassette and chain and i've got the rumble... but if there's any way of avoiding changing the chainring i'm going to try that first. new chain = £15, new chainring = £45... so i'll be seeing if I can just ride the problem away, which seems to have worked for a good few people in the comments
I have the same problem, but it's an all new drivetrain. XT 1x11. Using Wolf tooth elliptical chainring.
Hi! Got this same problem. Have you solved it?
Grease seems to work fine for Cinch chanrings.
So a fix that would not be needed if SRAM tolerances were, let's say... not as loose as a wizards sleeve? Great work SRAM :)
Very informative thanks to this video its been a days my chainring bothered me until i found this video thanks a lot more power👏
Finally..after watching other video concerning the noise from my bike..you guys answered it all..i thought the noise was from the BB...and after watching this episode..problem solved..thank you
Thanks for the breakdown! 🤔 Just a small off-topic question: 😅 I found these words 😅. (behave today finger ski upon boy assault summer exhaust beauty stereo over). Can someone explain what this is? 😅
My Bike Friday Tikit from 2013 has SRAM gripshift with 8 gears. Two years ago it began dropping the chain off the chain wheel. I changed cassette and chain but it didn’t help. I sent a picture of the chain wheel to the BF service people who saw instantly it had passed its due date. Replaced with a new one made of aluminium and it worked very well for a while but now it keeps dropping off and getting stuck between ring and the metal ring that protects my trouser legs from oil. I don’t understand why it drops off?
The narrow teeth since they have less surface area and more prone to shark fin ( wear faster)hence hook the chain. Like most people in the comments stated.
I put a new chain on an old cassette and chainring and this is exactly what happened.
Rumbling noise every time i put load on the pedals and quiet under no load.
Replacing the front chaining solved the problem.
Just don't buy such a crappily engineered crank, which needs to be reworked already, before it's taken in use at all.
Looks like Schweinfurt engineering?!?
Yes, but 1x is what everyone wants so the companies have to design cheap quick parts asap! Glad I don't run 1x.
On my Hope crankset, I use marine grease. The chainrings wear out quicker than the grease washes out...
The "rumble" appears on my chainring too. However, this one is almost brand new, less than 200 km driven.
I'm having the same issue with a brand new YBN 12-speed (SRAM PC-XX1 Eagle - equivalent) chain and brand new steel SRAM Sync2 32t chainring. Only hear/feel it when my right foot is on the downstroke for some reason. Not a creak at all, just the rumble/vibration noise and feel. I'm absolutely stumped.
old bikes had steel chainrings now they put aluminium so it wears
The endless game of weight vs durability. You can get steel chainrings in this configuration though.
I have this noise on a 2x race brand new dura ace race bike. Any tips?
How do you recognize 1x chainring wear/when to replace?
Remind me to never buy bike with direct mount Chainring 👍 Again that is😅
Good timing!!! I have rumble currently and couldn’t figure it out!
Same lol they are life savers
I get a creaking noise from my Bottom Bracket I wonder if it will go away if I exchange the lubricant in there for that compound glue :)
Im literally getting this on a brand new deore 1X, bikes not even done 100 miles.
Any ideas as to why? Could it be that the shop put a cheap crappy chain?
Thanks
Is it possible for rumble to be BOTH problems? I just put on a new BB and chain thinking that would solve my rumble and now I see it's my 1x chain ring that I just installed last year - along with a new chain. It was noisy when I first installed the chainring but it quieted down. Turns out that it probably ruined the new chain settling in.
What happened to the TS-2/TS-2.2 centering video? Really wanted to see good centering methods, but it said unavailable when I clicked.
Sorry about that. It was unpublished to make corrections, it'll be back up next week.
@@parktool Thanks guys. 🚲
My old chainring works fine with old chain, problem happened after change a new chain. And I just polished some teeth and it works now😅
I have the same exact issue but with a brand new chainring and brand new chain. The chain keeps getting stuck on the chaingring in the 7pm position, how can I fix this?
When are the other Seth episodes?
Well that's quite annoying. I've only had this chainring for about 6 months and I've got to replace it. I knew i shouldn't have gone with aluminium.
Hi Calvin & Truman..great show..do you have root cause & solution for shaking chain noise on heavy gearing particularly on the smallest sprocket? on the road, it's not only can be heard but also can be felt by feet when the drive train is moving..
Check your chain for wear and replace if necessary.
Rumble, grind, whatever... my 1X was making the that noise after a brand new 10S chain was installed several months ago. That noise went away after a couple long rides; both chain and wide-narrow ring worked very well together for the next several thousand miles until the chain's wear started to exceed its limit. Just installed a brand new replacement chain, the noise is back... damn! I'm guessing the previous new chain and or the ring quickly 'wore' just enough to totally silence the noise. I'm thinking I'll just get a new chain ring ASAP and forget about it. Nice (helpful) tech news boys!
The jamming problem that i'm having happens mostly when my chain is on the "second crank set or sprocket" now i think i have to get a new crank set i have 3 on my mountain bike, what else can be causing the problem?
Ghost in the machine
Thumbs up for the video, and for all the rhyming!
Nobody watch my video on how to install a direct mount Chainring👍👍😂
i have that same rumbling on my absulute black oval chainring when i replace the old chain with a new one... what could be the posible problem?
I think this is my problem... and it's just a month and a week or two old chainring, cassette and chain are brand new. Mine sounds even worse probably, but it's with me sitting on the bike so that might be the reason it sounds atrocious, and it also has a disgusting feel to it when I pedal.
Time to spend even more money and cry myself to sleep.
Did you ever get to the problem ? 😊
@@Tom351993 flipped the chainring around, the old chain messed it up.
A great video. I recently replaced my chain after which some clicking sound appeared especially when I push hard on the right side crank. What could it be?
i have the exact same thing going on...any solution?
00:52 school example for teeth reshape, you solve problem with sticky chain and you get new shape of teeth as on new gear
You guys are great! Lol👍
Blablabla... buy our product.. How come my new chainring and chain do that then?
Could it be that the chain is not riding on the narrow wide chainring right? Sounds simple but if the narrow sections of the chain are riding on the wider teeth.........?
Why don't you highlight the poor quality of bike parts .... especially chain rings
You guys rock. It did fixed my own creaking chainring bolts now.
I have a problem maybe you guys can help me on, I have a problem that every once in a while my chain just jam -up and i can't find where it's happening? I look at the crank the rear cassette and the derailleur and i can't find anything wrong but i can't pedal and i have to go back and forth to unstick it so i can pedal can you help?
Is this applicable with spline drive sprockets?
I find it strange that the very newest in chainring mounting did not completely eliminate any creaking. The splines for cranks seems to have helped with pedal arm noises but the "direct mount" chainring? Not so much. What was used for creaking noises before this two-part wonder glue arrived on the scene? Super glue gel? Small dabs of epoxy? Valve grinding compound? See you on the trail...or tarmac...or gravel. Thanks for the video.
Why don't the manufacturer just make the things fit better and have better tolerances
Good stuff!! I didn’t even know this was an issue. Thanks guys! Keep up the puns.
What time must pass between the application of AP-1 and later RC-1? THANK YOU. It is for a pressfit bottom bracket on a carbon frame.
I’m having this issue put a new chain ring on and still the issue is there chain gripping onto the chain ring,
It’s the correct chain and all the bearings are good and everything is tight 😢
Did you also replace the chain?
@@parktoolyup new chain aswell :/
@@parktoolit’s not catching as much as displayed in the video but it is causing a vibration as if it’s holding on a little
Hey Parktool, I bought a Blackspire Snaggletooth oval direct mount chainring and I've only don't about 300 miles and I'm already getting the rumble noise. I know it's the rumble as I can see the chain hanging onto the chainring as it comes off it. Did I just buy a crappy chainring? I'm surprised it's this noise having only had it for a couple of months.
Did you install a new chain when you installed the new chainring? If the chain was already worn then it will wear the ring much much faster.
I love you guys
I have literally tried everything ( but this ) to fix creeks in the BB. Just ordered both the primer and compound to add to the workshop !! hopefully this does the trick
What is the result?
@@EvaSsion84 where to begin … this didn’t fix the the creeks . In the end thou it was the play between the crank and the chain ring that was causing the issue but this technique didn’t work for me at least. Full replacement of the crank and chairing did the job. Maybe I made a mistake in applying the materials.
@@jsinnott5952 OMG.... I used both components yesterday. Today I did a mtb outing, and for the moment without noise. I hope it continues like this .... The noise had me crazy
@@EvaSsion84 lol… don’t get me started . I was irate riding around with the constant creaking. The shop was like “ we should give you a job because you essentially rebuilt the bike” lol
@@jsinnott5952 how did you solve it in the end?
Great job......love these segments.....didn’t even know about the primer.
I pray to God that this solves my pedaling creak that's been driving me insane that apparently nothing else has fixed on a 4 month old bike!
James Papier have you tried greasing the bottom bracket? Is it a Cannondale?
4 months old probably washing that beauty after every ride? Probably a bottom bracket
Thomas Malcolm Macleay to no avail - it’s a yt Capra.
Douglas Tudor haha I stopped doing that after 2 months of washing ruined my headset. Now I just don’t wash it and just use a cloth to clean it every few rides since it has invis anyway. I’m hoping it’s not the B.B. though I suspect that too. It’s a race face bb92 with 30mm spindle so my options for a better bb are limited. Only part of the bike design I don't like.
check your full suspension pivot bearing. The grease in the bearing can be washed off and creaks.
01:16 ta da wrong, it can be saved in less than 10 minutes
Do you do the same method when you have two chainrings fixed to a crank arm spider?
my brand new bike is doing that "sticking chainring" problem in low gears. The chainline on this thing is really terrible in 1st gear so the teeth of the chainring don't enter or leave the chain smoothly in these low gears. Any way to fix that?
Same, brand new bike and the chain “sticks” when coming off the chainring. Driving me nuts trying to find a solution apart from trying a whole new chainring and chain. Ever find a fix?
What is the Loctite alternative for RC-1 ? I can not find this compound in any LBS in my country
R609
You not fix crumble in the chain thru chainring rub ??
Had my bike for only 2 months and it’s now doing this, is it normal to wear so fast? Single chain ring on haro dual shock bike.
That is fairly quickly depending on the amount of riding and the material/design of the chainring.
Park Tool not much riding at all, but just started doing it, bike shop said nothing can be done with this type of design bike.
Was that a conscious nod to “ the princess bride?” Maybe they didn’t mean it, anybody wanna peanut? Great info...🚵🏼♀️
Bought a garbage one from amazon like that.
Yep. This is the noise that's really annoying
What about those of us that have the creak and don't have a direct mount front chainring?
loctite the chainring bolts
It might be the bottom bracket or a suspension pivot is wearing out.
What would you do if it was just the master link/ power link that was sticking to the chain ring?? Need help chain doesn't stick but the master link does ?????!?!!?!?!?!?
Unusal, but get a new power link as a simple test.
@@parktool I did that today didn't make any difference. The chain ring is new and so it the master link am I right in assuming it's the chain ring I have the shimano deore chain and race face oval chain ring
@@ryanoxley8511 use a SRAM PowerLock Eagle link. The tooth profile of the chainring does not mesh well with Shimano and some KMC master links.
@@parktool I'll give That a try. Thank you for your help 🙏
@@parktool thank you so much I went to my local bike shop today and pick up a sram eagle power link and it works perfectly you guys are the best 👌
Even 1x drive train they still couldn't make it right. smfh.
Love these dumb dudes hahahaha greetings and thanks for getting my bike fixed again with these videos!
I was working on a bike that had his problem on just 1 tooth, few seconds with a seemed and t was back to normal, probably should have replaced the ring haha
is this possible in 2X set-up chain ring? my bike has a newly installed bottom bracket, headset, hubs were repacked and pedals were checked and seat post. need your expert advise
This can happen on 2x and 3x. I have not had the same rumble noise but it will do this on those systems. What it used to be called for them was "Chain Suck" due to the chain being sucked up and pulled around the crankset a second time. There were even pieces on frames to accomodate a plate to prevent it from happening.
The noise I have on my bike is the creak noise which is irritating
Anybody experiencing this annoying noise with ixf crankset and chainring?
Yes. I do. It is the chainline, because IXF is actually made for 2 chainrings. I will try some spacers probably.
In the case of not having the Park Tool adhesives, could one use Silicone Seal?
Question does this happen more to an oval chainring? Does it have the same solution?
This happens on oval rings as well and the replacement is the same.
I don't know if anyone else looked closely at the last little segment, it looked like the chain links are off. I think if you were to move the links one ahead on the chainring it might make a difference...
The links are in fact lined up correctly. Moving the chain one link ahead would definitely cause some issues.
Yeah, but now how do you get all that hardened material out now? You've got to have a clean interface in the first place.
That's the noise I had on my cyclocross bike.
I'll leave the retaining compound to the press-fit people :-)
What if you get that rumble on a new chainring?
Is the chain new as well?
@@parktool I'm having this issue currently, new chain, cassette, and chainring and there's still that skipping at the top of the chainring along with a rumble feel. I'm guessing the chain is too short but I'll know tomorrow after bringing it to the bike shop
Try lubricate the chain, happens to me in a new 1x12 xt last month
My absolute black oval ring is doing that and it's new so what is going on there? I also had a new chain, cassette and BB bearings fitted at the same time so basically an entire new drive train.
Does it make the same noise in all gears or just in specific ones?
@@parktool Hi thanks for the reply. I took it back to the bike shop that installed the parts for me and it turned out the mechanic there had put the chain on the wrong way round. He's fixed that and reset the gears for me and it's running sweet again now.
Not funny.
Calvin and Truman, I have just built up a brand new bike (I work in a shop) and the chain is grabbing the chainring as if it was worn out. Chainline has no effect on how much it grabs. Why would this happen on a brand new bike with an unused chain/chainring?
Did u every figure it out? Just built up a bike and am having the same problem after a week of riding!
@@elijahwakelin7797 yes, you just have to wear it in. It's frustrating because it keeps grabbing but eventually it smooths out. Otherwise you have the option of warranting the chainring and chain.
My bike is new (
i have the same problem
@@phoenixmtb840 I cleaned my chain with the park tool chain cleaner really well and lubed it up with some tri-flow chain lube. I'll go ride tomorrow and report back. So far it's not doing it.
@@chuckbeydler8233 ok ill try the same
@@chuckbeydler8233 I ended up cleaning the drivetrain with everything i had available (dawn dish soap, a rag, and a toothbrush) and it still ended up doing it. I think im going to buy an actual chain cleaner and see if that helps. Do you have any recommendations on what soap or degreaser to use?
@@phoenixmtb840 I used simple green.
I only get this rumble in the 2 highest hears (largest cogs) 1x11 drive chain. What can be done to rectify this ? It's a new bike ! Bought in Jan
Your B tension adjustment could be too loose. Tighten the B tension and you will likely be good to go.
@@parktool thanks for the reply! I'll link over a UA-cam video will that be helpful?
That’s a new chainring ordered! So glad I came across this video
Shinny because there’s less material the chain dogged in faster
Can you use the AP-1 and RC-1 on BB30 bearings to fix creaking?
Thanks, great video.
Assuming that is the source of the creak, yes.
Thank you VERY MUCH for this video.
I'm posting this a couple year after the airing of the video, so not sure if you'll see my post and respond. But, would appreciate it if you did.
I have a OneUp single chainring upgrade on my mountain bike. It has a 10 speed cassette with a Shimano CN-HG95 chain. The drive train has a lot of miles on it, but I've always put a new chain on twice a year and regularly check for chain stretch with the Park Tool CC-3. When the chain shows the first sign of stretch I replace it.
The last 3 times I've installed a new chain the bike will make the exact sound that is in the first of your video. It only does this while the chain is new and after about 100 miles it stops making the sound. And only does it when force is applied when pedaling. It doesn't make the sound when riding on flat or downhill sections. I have my bike serviced twice a year at my bike shop and they've never said my drive train is worn or that any ring teeth have shark finned and I don't see any shark fin shapes on any chainring teeth.
Any suggestions? Thank You.
How many miles would you guess are on the chainring? Many of the 1x chainrings are only getting about 1000 miles. Some of the early narrow wide rings only got about 700 before wearing. They are aluminum and often are fairly small so they were wearing fairly quickly against the steel chain. They have started to last longer but are still considered a wear item that should be replaced at the same rate as the cassette.
@@parktool Thank YOU very, very much for responding and doing so promptly!! Great question. Uh-Oh. My goodness. I probably have 4-5,000 miles on the OneUp chainring! I guess mine is long worn out. I will contact my bike shop.
I've learned something about chainrings. I thought the only concern was shark fin teeth from chain stretch.
I just replace my old crankset with a hollowtech one; new BB, new crank arm and new chainring (narrow wide). After installation, I tried to drive it around and I seem to notice that the chain is gripping the chainring and causes what you guys call "chain suck".
What would be the cause of the chain suck since my chainring is brand-new?
try lubricate the chain, happens to me in a brand new xt 1x12
It is the chainline. I have the same problem. Gotta play with some spacers I guess