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Remember the good old days when suspend was a thing? You didnt even need to have a battery in your laptop and it would save where everything was. Back when youtube and other streaming sites would load the full video. I would open a few tabs, let the bar at the bottom of the videos load up, then suspend and take my laptop to work where there was no internet and watch when offline.
That's hibernation mode! I believe you can still manually enable it even on Windows 11. You disable sleep. It takes longer to wake, but it's way better than back in the days when hdds were a thing. Make Windows still uses hibernation mode after a device has been asleep for more than a certain period of time. It's automatic. It's also what your device does when it runs out of power; it never actually shuts down. It saves everything and goes into hibernate so you never lose data.
47:50 I use Windows 10 because... 1.) lower RAM requirement (my 14GB laptop is dying doing literally anything on Win11) 2.) file explorer opens instantly instead of taking forever 3.) I do not like the Win11 settings menu 4.) everything feels slow
@@Valueshooter If your games run fine with steamdeck/steamos you'll be fine with a decent Linux distro. Try a few in a vm like virtualbox to get the feel of which distro suits you best. Myself started using SuSE 6.1 back in the days and now for the last 15 years or so Debian testing as a DE. Most of gaming I do on Linux with wine-staging or using Steam linux launcher and as replacement for Epic launcher I use Heroic launcher, also available for windows.
@@Valueshooter Depends on what games you play. I'm mostly on single player games and so far all the games I tested worked with no hassle on Linux, including an older game - For the Glory - which didn't work in Windows 10 (and I did tried making it work, checking logs, settings, compatibility modes and so on). Worked first try in Linux. But if you play some competitive shooters, yeah, that's a hard no for Linux at the moment, with no estimation when that won't be an issue, since it's the developers actively denying the games to work on Linux, so Linux or Valve etc can't do anything about it.
I have never seen a single add on windows but heard about it. Is this a joke, or am I just conditioned so hard, that ignore it? ( Or not enabled in my region)
47:00 I am still on Windows 10. Screw windows 11. We switched to 11 at work, and it causes more problems than its worth. Don't want to run that on my personal system. I have zero issues on 10. None.
I have it on a MY2023 laptop which is harder to downgrade. Its been ok in terms of compatibility. The changes they made to the UI however are 100% pointless and tbh it feels more like a skin of 10 rather than anything deserving a new number. I had to go look up reverting the instant web search back to 7's instant search within a day. barf.
I am a gamer on Windows 10. I like the layout of 10 vs 11. My example would be if you wish to delete a file you have to right click the go to a submenu to acquire the "delete" option.
@@superamigo987 "We created a solution to a created problem, both of which essentially are superfluous really" -the world just gets more and more inefficient doesnt it lol
you can bring back most of the old menus (i prefer them too). who wants a tiny pair of scissors or a notepad icon on a 27 inch screen when its not short of space to say freaking copy and paste 😅
Windows 11's designers clearly monitored what the most common actions people took with files, and then buried them in the additional options field... Literally none of the front and center options are what I want to use. Ever.
Another Windows 10 gamer here, I'm staying as long as Windows 10 is supported because it feels like Microsoft is doubling down on every single aspect of Windows 10 that irritates me in 11.
all gamers are staying on windows 10 because there are massive performance and latency issues with games running on windows 11. If they cant fix that then windows 11 is permanently dead for gamers.
Microsoft seems to want to make a UX that's extraordinarily simplified (like iSO but for toddlers) while also being actively hostile towards anyone who wants any say in how they use their PC... As if they didn't learn the lesson from Windows 8... I think it's all just heading towards their end-goal of a browser based UI that you need an annual subscription to use
I don't trust Micro$oft to make W11 work for me off the bat, and I despise the spyware and outright data theft they're throwing in there. I've got W10 configured to where they don't get any data from me, and I'd prefer to keep it that way. I'll only switch once I have to, and at that point I might just go Linux. Apparently support for games and apps has improved a lot. Don't fix what's not broken.
This right here, I'm still on W10 for similar reasons. Microsoft has been getting worse and worse when it comes to data-mining and security. But initially I didn't even trust them to make W11 functional let alone good. They've pushed out so many garbage versions now, it's utterly absurd. After waiting to see if it was any good, Microsoft proceeded to out ads on a product you pay for, do even more to collect your data, and just turn the whole thing into what I view as a dumpster fire. As W10 goes E.O.L. I'm researching Linux. I may have to dual-boot for games but we'll see, if I do it'll require serious modification to remove the garbage from W11 or W12.
I ran linux on my gaming machine for two months recently and it pretty much works as well as windows does now. You'll lose some performance to Proton in non-native games and they haven't got HDR sorted yet, but if that's not an issue for you, then the experience is pretty much perfect in nearly every game you throw at it. Even multiplayer games.
Answer to why I am using windows 10. I am using because I do not like AI being pushed into OS. As well as you can't using official installation media to install windows 11 Pro without internet. You must have internet and set microsoft account. To make local account post launch is being made even harder. Once windows 10 expires I will move to linux. I already half way to switch. I do linux daily drive for a month every 3-4 months to see if it moved forward and I happily can say that to use Linux (Manjaro 24) i needed to use terminal only once to enable coolercontrol for fan speed control. Everything worker out of the box (full AMD system here). Also I tested win11 performance boost patch it in terms of performance it was still not on par to windows 10 in performance. I am still about 10% on avg higher performance than on win 11. The system I have is Ryzen 7800X3D, RX 7900GRE, 32gb 6000MT cl32 tuned RAMs
Yep win11 and newer will push that ai crap and be more anti privacy with more and more spyware. Also Windows is less user friendly after Windows 7 with more hidden or deleted usefull options and subjectively have uglier GUI. Aero Galss was slick and looked nice. Windows 10 default metro UI is flat and ugly, win 11 is little improvement. Anyway I always install custom Windows builds from community and they are much better optimised, all updates and improvements/hacks included and all bloatware and MS forced options disabled or removed like telemetry spyware etc. All builds are still updateable and are much faster and convinient than vanilla revisions.
@@katsuenyagaming I think he means the Win 11 GUI is "a little improvement" vs the Windows 10 gui and the second part he means the community installs of Windows are better than the MS bloatware versions that have all the crap and spyware installed.
@@skilletpan5674 Yep....Even more...Windows 10 custom builds have many performance tweaks and "hacks" for better game performance so some builds are as fast as recent Win 11 24h2 update or even faster and more responsive. Of course community Windows builds are not recommended for everyone because some tweaks and hacks/disabled options can break compatibility with some more specific software....but for gamer or daily use are best option.
Answering the question for why I'm still on Win10: Windows 11 development is prioritizing service sales and advertising screen space, which I am just not going to put up with. I'm getting better and better at using PopOS on my 2nd machine, and will switch my primary machine over next year.
47:17 I'm a gamer on Windows 10, zero interest on switching to 11. 10 is stable, I know the OS, and generally I know where to tweak it if I need to. Form what I've heard 11 may take some getting used to and in some areas it's a bit of a downgrade and a bit of a mess in usability.
To answer the question at 47:20 , with a 7800X3D and 4080S, I still use windows 10 over 11 because I dislike how Win 11 looks and operates on a user level. And same as Tom, it breaks some of the apps I'm using. If Win 10 Ent didnt't break more of my apps than Win 11, I'd still be using Win 10 Ent. As always, great podcast! Love putting it on as I go about my day.
This guys has great grasp on that straight faced comedy. He makes me laugh but he never cracks a smile lol My discernment for intelligence is going crazy. Plus.. great channel and clearly quality content.
As an actual gamer on an actual pc (7800X3D/6900XT) using windows 10 22H2, what do I gain from windows 11? I wish he elaborated why he went to windows 11 as soon as he could. From what I’ve seen windows 11 24H2 performance is the same as windows 10 22H2, or less performant…
Yeah, I'm also confused why he went to 11 as soon as possible, especially given the numerous performance issues when it first came out. At this point it seems like the best case is that 11 and 10 are on parity, but usually 11 looses if the numerous video reviews are anything to go by.
Alright after hubs newest video, windows 11 23H2 needs a patch to even be on par w windows 10. And in the end windows 11 24H2 is 9/10 times showing better performance than windows 10 22H2. But, isn’t that same patch coming to windows 10?
Actual Win10 gamer user. Whenever I have seen Win10 vs Win11 benchmarks (see hardware unboxed vid from 3 months ago for example) Win10 wins, so why would I bother changing? 5800X3D user. I use Win11 on my tablet, and an update stopped explorer working entirely, requiring a recovery, so that hasn't helped.
Because in that same video he says "in the past I found both operating systems to deliver similar gaming performance and if anything it's generally been Windows 11 that offers the performance advantage". Also in my own experience hdr works way better on windows 11.
@ LEO - I use Windows 10 on a 7800X3D+4090 (and all my other systems for work and play). I use a very lean, de-bloated version of Win10, and have TPM off in BIOS and DON'T want Windows 11 with its Copilot, TPM requirement, Bitlocker, Ads, worse UI, etc. If I could, I would keep using Win10 for as long as I can, even after end of life in Oct. 2025.
I think techtubers and tech journalists greatly overestimate how much influence they have. 99% of the market just doesn't consume this content. The average person isn't going to not buy an Arrow Lake CPU because of the Raptor Lake issues, they don't even know what those are. They just buy a new pre built or laptop ever couple years and don't even know what generation their CPU is most of the time. "What CPU do you have?" "Oh man, I really went all out this time and got an i7!" "What generation is it though?" ".... what?"
@@drewy2222 No, they say "Get an MSI" or "Get a Dell" lol. Think of the Intel CPU issue like this: If the fuel pump in your Ford F150 is bad, are you going to blame Ford's fuel pump supplier or Ford themselves?
@@BrianCroweAcolyte you are right ,many consumers don't know what is generation,what are cores, threads,,etc.ONly the sellers or few consumers who are into this stuff like gamers or people who assemble their own PC for various purposes like modelling,,editing,etc know these stuff.Rest are unaware of this
Windows 10 all the way. Its the last decent version of Windows. I do NOT need all the adware or re-re-re-re-revamped "modern" UI. My PC even lacks a pre-requisite for installing Windows 11.
@Kitguru I'm a gamer using Windows 10 on both my laptop and PC, and the 3 people I game frequently with also use Windows 10. My reason for using it is that I do not upgrade something just because something new is out, "if it is not broken don't fix it". Windows 11 has a variety of undesirable changes, lower stability and reliability, user interface changes I do not want, and Windows 10 has another year worth of support so there is no reason for myself or my friends to upgrade to it any time soon. Every 2nd release of Windows is a horrid nightmare for 25 years now, starting with Windows ME, Vista, 8.x, and now 11. We're hoping Microsoft surprises everyone with Windows 12 before 10 goes EOL, and that 12 is a "doesn't suck" release. I know too many people who upgraded to Windows 11 and regretted it, some of whom went back to Windows 10. Eventually I'll be switching to Windows 12, or 11 if 12 is not out when 10 goes EOL, but I am in no hurry to do so and will make the move only with a gun to my head.
I'm an actual gamer with an actual desktop, and I'm still on Windows 10 because fuck Windows 11. Ads, spyware, buggy, breaks things. That is my perception of it, and it will take a lot of work for me to be disavowed of that.
I'm a gamer on windows 10. I have a R9-7950x with 32gb of ram. I use windows 10 because I don't like the further creep of microsoft online crap. I don't want to be eventually forced to have an "internet only" PC. I refuse to upgrade to windows 11 even though it's free. I'll be switching to Linux and running W10 or W7 etc in a VM and doing GPU passthrough (It's been getting steadily better over the last several years) before I install Windows 11.
I wish I could give more likes. I'm roughly in the same spot. Even though I could install W11 and also bypass that DISGUSTING forced Microsoft account (I have no fear or disgust of using the terminal) I chose not to out of principle. I'll never install W11 on any of my computers (well, maybe in a VM if I'll be forced by some circumstance). The Windows 10 I have worked basically flawless for almost 8 years (though that's a bit of luck too, from what I've seen). And since January I switched to Linux. I still have the Windows 10, just in case, but I haven't used it.
Still on Win 10 cuz of the feedback about Win 11 being problematic. I use Win 11 for work and it seems fine. I would swap to Win 11 on my gaming PC if there was improved performance.
Hardware Unboxed did a video with some detailed tests comparing Windows 10 and 11 on, I think, a few different Intel and AMD CPUs, and games were, on average, a bit faster on Windows 10. Many games had about the same performance, but many games had around 3 to 10% better performance on Windows 10 iirc. Very few games were more than around 5% faster, but it's still kinda embarassing for the newer OS to be slower, even if by a relatively small margin. From my perspective, I'm not too worried about the performance differences, but I have seen complaints about the Windows 11 UI, and I'm also wary to do a full re-install of the OS, which could be a big hassle for a few different reasons. With the updates to Windows 11, some games will actually run faster on Windows 11, even with Zen 3 (the architecture I'm using), but in some recent testing I've seen, performance isn't necessarily going to be that much better, and can still be worse on Windows 11 even with Zen 5, but also with Zen 4 or Zen 3. Ancient Gameplays did a great detailed video on this, and the results seemed quite strange. They were very inconsistent and all over the place.
47:50 On Windows 10 here, I don't want to be forced into learning another less user-friendly interface that's going to be abandoned with the next update, and I sure as hell don't want to pay for it with worse performance on top. I still use command prompt and the Windows 7 UI over powershell and the useless Windows 10 configuration tools. On my next build I'm absolutely switching to Linux. KDE Plasma is closer to the desktop I'm familiar with than Windows 11. Over the last decade Microsoft have done everything to appeal to phone and tablet users, and actively punished their existing market for using the reliable UI they developed almost 30 years ago with Windows 95.
I upgraded to win11 when i built a new computer a year ago. That said, im thinking about goong back to wind10 because apart from (poorly) tabbed explorer and notepad, and dsrkmode for notepad, it seems worse to me.
I have disabled my TPM in the BIOS in order to stop any chance of accidentally fat-fingering an upgrade to Win11. Microsoft can get bent, I will not move over until I'm forced to and then I'll probably start at least dual-booting some idiot-friendly version of Linux. The search bar on my dad's Win11 PC broke and he had to go through a full system restore to get it working again. It really seems like the actual OS no longer is Microsoft's priority.
Im sorry Leo, but what? Why cant gamers stay on windows 10. What in the actual fuck was this out of touch question. Am I stupid and not getting the sarcasm or what? Im not gonna repeat all the points that MANY other commenters have already said here. Just look at all these comments lol.
Yeah, it took me by surprise too. I don't think it was sarcasm, he seemed genuinely surprised that many still use Windows 10. I guess he also doesn't know the StatCounter statistic that 60-70% of Windows users are still on Windows 10 (and several months ago Windows 10 INCREASED in percentages, though not by a lot, it could be simply month to month variance). He did said that he went to W11 almost immediately after it got out, so probably to him to hear people still use Windows 10 is like us hearing that somebody still uses Windows 7 or XP. W11 turns 3 years old next month. And it probably only now finally got its scheduler fixed (that I always made fun of, even though I didn't knew it was THIS BAD. But the signs that it was bad were there - process lasso being needed still for dual chips X3D CPUs, Intel making APO because Windows couldn't, having to screw with Game bar and all manner of things like that)
The thing that will kill Intel in regards to Class Action Lawsuit legitimacy is the aggressive binning where lower quality silicon turned into 14900K that should have been 14700K or 14600K. While Golden Samples can boost with relatively lower voltages, less than ideal samples would need too much just to reach the same boost clocks.
I game on both win 10 and win 11. I hate that win 11 requires a Microsoft account. The UI is annoyingly simplified to the point of stupidity. It causes interference with some new games, it breaks compatibility with some old games. It keeps advertising content and features that I absolutely hate with a passion, and even turns some of them back on with updates. I would switch to Linux but the games I like to play don't work on Linux and last time I tried, I got a suspension.
Hey Leo. Windows 11 doesn't allow me to change position on my taskbar to the vertical position. I have use a drawing tablet and I do not want to turn my neck all the way down to access my taskbar if I put the taskbar on the tablet. If I put the taskbar on my top monitor it looks weird.
I'm in the US and using Windows 10. I won't be upgrading for a variety of reasons, but the Recall feature is a huge reason why. I won't ever be upgrading to Windows 11 or future versions until they take out things like Recall.
EU. I use WIndows 10 because currently I fear that Windows 11 will eat my Linux efi partition. The file explorer is also quite gutted, the taskbar is strangely tall and everything has just too much padding. The taskbar labels were introduced some time ago, so that's one thing off the list. I'll wait some time till everything's fixed and go through registry to disable more annoyances.
32GB 8800xt @ $700 will be a godsent for AI devs. It will open up so many opportunities such as fine tuning 8B fp16 models which already took up 16GB VRAM on its own, thus the additional 16GB to play around with is an amazing proposition.
Keep dreaming. Amd 8000 series is going to be an embarrassment this generation. No way a 8800xt is getting 32gb of vram. This guy must be smoking some really good stuff.
The Intel fab in Germany just got the legal green light to start building. Intel could obviously still fold on that, but it's Germany we're talking about, so a lot of money and effort has already gone into just doing the paperwork, so Intel must be somewhat committed to it.
Why am I using win10? Because I dont need a program to actually get the taskbar to behave the way I want it to, I dont want to fight the system for even more telemetry stuff etc. Win10 works. Why the HELL would I change?????
I did buy a 14700K for fun, because I wanted to mess with the hybrid architecture, despite knowing it wasnt the best performer... Rather than overclocking and tuning the sht out of that -- basically I am reigning in the factory overclock... Thankfully we have BuildZoid deep diving in all the info and settings, which helps a lot! I now have the voltage reading working properly. I gave it a max voltage limit. I have intells safety features turned on (CEP). I have undervolted the chip. I overclocked single threaded speed with a minor undervolt up to 59x. I have configured TVB, which I dont get why thats only reserved for the 14900K... And I am running the Extreme profile for the 14900KS. Its been in my posession since start 2024, and its not showing any signs of degrading. But if it does, I am RMAing the chip, putting it in a glass display, and already know which mobo and 7800X3D (or 10800X3D) I am replacing it with lol.
I still use Win10 on ZEN3 for the simple reason that I don't trust Microsoft in any way whatsoever. Win10 runs without any problem and no amount of persuation to "upgrade" is making me do that.
I'm a student, currently daily drive Surface pro 8 (intel 11th gen) as my only computer. My main problem with it is the battery drain when sleep and power usage on light task. My experience is I'll leave home when fully charged, for 1.5 hour of browser and note taking with Microsoft Journal the battery would drop to about 65-75%. Which means I would have to have either a power bank or a charger at hand to go through the day. While one charge too slow to be useful and another need a wall outlet. With lunar lake seems to address my problem and seems for my workload for me to forgo both charger and power bank while providing ok performance and gaming capability while docked.
I know I'm in the vast minority, but I somehow never liked or trusted sleep and always used hibernate. I'm still baffled that people who (at least at times) do this professionally and need it at critical moments are still gambling with standby is beyond me. Is the 5-15 seconds you win when you open the laptop really worth it ?
Damn anandtech gone too now, rip. They were one of the only places for some reason capable of making easy to read product comparison tables, amongst many other things, but this detail in particular is why written reviews / deep dives are necessary compared to some youtube click chasing vid thats going to be filtered out of the algorithm a few weeks after its been released and impossible to reference again in the future...
@@MrStoffzor I actually have a Microsoft Surface Laptop 7 with Snapdragon X Plus, which I love. But sometimes - annoyingly enough - I accidentally press the copilot key on the keyboard. 😅 I don't think "Copilot" has any sort of useful features associated to it currently (and I'm not holding my breath). The key itself opens a crappy Chat GPT-like app where you can enter text (or use voice input, I suppose), and then it does an incredibly bad job of answering, most often essentially just lists search engine results with some annoying and pointless narrative around them, quite often ignoring what you explicitly asked it to do or not do.
You can do a local setup, because it's possible to open a command prompt during the earliest steps of the setup process and type in some Linux-style magic words which skips ahead of all the setup menues and throws you straight onto the desktop.
@@hammerth1421 They're changing and patching that. They just did several months ago and most ways to bypass that don't work anymore. One of my gf's older relative got a new laptop and I wasn't able to bypass the stupid Microsoft account requirement. Haven't tried too much, as I didn't had time and frankly I was the only one bothered by the MS account, the one using the laptop didn't care. Frankly this decision alone is why I'll never have W11 on my personal computers. Even if I can bypass it (and I don't have any fear or disgust on using the terminal) the mere idea of it makes my blood to boil.
Windows 11 performance is not worse. I have used windows 11 on a shitbox that didn't mean minimum spec and the UI and everything else ran just as great as it does on my newer machines
@KitGuru because I already have Windows 10 and Windows 11 offers no added value and is even worse to use. I have to be honest and say that if someone has a Linux (Ubuntu) PC running (which is no longer rocket science these days) they won't want to go anywhere else for office and web. Try it. It's better than Windows ever was.
Tom's hardware is not far behind Anandtech honestly. You just cannot ignore video content now a days and expect to survive. I'm an actual gamer, in America, on a PC, and i use Windows 10. Why? What does Windows 11 do that 10 doesn't? I don't upgrade my OS just because Microsoft wants more money this year. Windows 10 is perfect. Also everyone knows Windows OS's are like Star Trek movies, every other one is good. Windows 10 is good, that means 11 is bad, i'll wait for 12.
I use 10pro, and I have full control of it and I love the gui. Win 11 is a waste of space if I wanted a fake mac I would just buy a mac, I hate hate hate the gui in win 11and there is no reason to force that crap on the user. Linux is probably for me on the way forward vs the direction windows is going. But windows 10 is fine until the next direct x is out, which will be win12 so win 11 is just a waste!
As requested: I am retired and and now a full time gamer. I use windows 10 and will not be going to Win11. This is due to the mandatory nature of data collection, lack of transparency of data collection, the claim that I do not own the copy of the software, and many other minor personal issues with Microsoft as a company. I will most likely turn to a Linux/Steam OS build when I decide to ditch Windows.
What Leo at 1:51:30 is talking about is the HBCC. (High bandwidth cache controller). AMD was trying to get more peformance by tapping into system ram to extend the cache on the card. The workstation cards were doing a similar thing, but with the fastest SSD's available and using it as a pool on onboard memory (albeit slower) to reduce latency. I don't know if it ever really worked out. But what could be interesting is a daughter board with some cache you could connect to the card so the GPU doesn't need to call instructions from the CPU so often, thereby reducing cycles required to fetch. So a Workstation card bundled with extra cache as a combo of sorts. Edit: 2:39:30 AMD in the last 3 years did do a collab with Samsung on ARM in the Exynos chips to improve GPU performance from the stock arm Mali-G series. I don't know what happened or whether Samsung isn't bothering, but they tried their hand at it. I would like AMD to do SoC's. Biggest weakness they have is they don't make wifi chips at all.
I downgraded 11 back to 10 because they installed copilot and talked about releasing recall on my PC. Nope. You already snoop on my data, you don't get to use my PC to generate a model based on my computer usage to quietly grab. Moving to Linux soon.
@@De2t3ny Pretty much unfortunately. I'm still grabbing a few RDNA4 GPUs for friends and family (and one for myself for my main then going into my alt PC), but you better believe whatever AMD is pooping out is going to be anywhere near a 5080 and 5090 (I'll be grabbing one next year).
I like his analysis on if Intel's future, but if you look at Intel's earnings, it's actually the product side that despite all its issues is still making money. It's the foundry that's bleeding cash and dragging everything down with it. You could argue Intel isn't even in this position/never loses their dominant position from a decade ago if the product side had the free reign to manufacture with TSMC sooner. A Fabless Intel could do something like that. Who would want to come in and buy a foundry that's losing money?? That's what would need to be figured out. Or likely some big money venture capital/private equity backed big wigs come in, buy the fabs, and start this whole thing up as something else under a new name.
I use Windows 10 because 11 has half baked UI, removed some features, some games are unstable. Also has more overhead than 10. Wouldn't switch until I have to, might just move to 12 directly.
I use Windows 10 and am a gamer, reason being I don’t trust Microsoft to make 2 good Operating systems in a row. I also assume Windows 12 will essentially be AI accelerated spyware. So with Windows 10 being near EoL and Windows 12 likely very intrusive. I feel like Microsoft is forcing me toward Linux which is likely where I’ll end up. Thank goodness Valve is bringing gaming on Linux close to parity with Windows. Here’s hoping they release a legit desktop distribution.
Gamer and generally user on windows 10 with a 5800x3d. As a rule, I wait until as long into the development cycle as possible with new software to update to it- if there is no new features that would benefit me. If it’s not broken, why risk the instability? Why deal with getting used to a slightly different UI? Additionally, there are advanced audio settings that I can find in windows 10 that I can’t find in windows 11. I couldn’t help my win11 friend sent up microphone monitoring through his headset like I can in windows 10. I use my pc for audio production. I use software from many 3rd party developers in my workflow. I can afford anything breaking. Lastly, my motherboard doesn’t have bitlocker or something enabled. It doesn’t give me the option to upgrade to windows 11 anyway. I’ll roll with windows 10 on my zen3 cpu until they make me change. If I upgrade my rig with a new CPU, I’ll jump to windows 11.
BitLocker is a windows thing, so I doubt it's that. Maybe you lack TPM. Which, on desktop computers can be bought as a separate module and added, I think via a PCI-E connection, if you really wanted to go W11. I'd say to try Linux, but from what I've heard it's not good for audio production or something audio related, in a proffesional setting. Though now that pipewire is the standard, I hope this area will get fixed soon. Linux theoretically can be so much better, especially when low latency is required.
Using W10 here. In 4 years i'll retire and until then I'll bite into that saur apple and migrate to Linux. I had to strech and bend a lot to even migrate to the "last windows" because of all that bloat crap and data sucking. W11's just too much, I mean all these ideas like recall or "no local user"... there must be a bunch of sadistic villian's working in Redmont. I'm out.
frankly, one of the best episodes. great discussions! Leo is jst fantastic. His thoughts go well beyond the usual discourse regarding the pc hardware industry!
I am forced to use W11 at work. W11 broke older software and lost many QOL features from W10 that I refuse to live without on my personal system. My wife recently lost her tech job but got to keep her work-issued laptop (which originally came with W10 and updated to W11 in the past couple of years). About 2 weeks ago, it got into the bitlocker recovery loop. I took it as a sign from on high and wiped the boot drive and installed fresh W10 Pro. MS recognized the CPU and restored the OS key automatically. Set the registry key to prevent auto-updating back to W11. Prime-numbered versions of Windows seem to be cursed.
@@K.R.98 in the show he said he was hearing 600d now. I was thinking when he said last week 500-600....well they will have lots of 7900gre/xt stock so needs to near 600 plus cos no one would want those card. 650d. 40d below 7900xt for cheapest cards.
@@danburke6568 Hm. Thats not next gen. That’s a 50$ discount for a card with 4GB less VRAM and a little more raytracing. If they dare to do that, then they can keep all their cards. If RX8800XT is 500$ they could sell the RX7900XT and so for a discount too. (Just to get rid of them) They’ll have a hard time keeping up with NVIDIA when they aim at the same price to performance as RDNA3. Because if there is no absolute performance increase people want at least cheaper prices
I feel like a Unicorn again. I have over a hundred games installed, several apps for multiple usecases, my poor little mATX motherboard has almost all internal headers, both M.2 slots and all 6 SATA slots populated, have my R5 5600x undervolted and overclocked, have updated Windows 11 FROM Windows 10 and yet - everything works perfectly stable and as fast and snappy as I could wish for. I didn't see much of a performance plus after the recent update, though, but that's probably due to only having an RTX 2070
So, I heard this from someone that knows, he said that Alder Lake team was fired and new engineers were forced to learn Alder Lake architecture in 2 months. After they were told to make new chip using Alder Lake structure, by cramming more cores in. Raptor Lake was developed shortly after, but the new engineers were green and did not create Raptor Lake from scratch, like Alder Lake engineers that had to really innovate. They crammed more stuff into a chip that the chip could handle. I am reporting 2x 13900k failures, with both chips failing at 6 months marker In both cases undervolted, watt limited, and cores were pinned to 5.5/4.3 (P-Cores/E-Cores) on launch. No boosts to 5.8 ghz The issue with voltage is somewhere hidden. As I was massively undervolted to 1.29v on first chip and 1.28v on 2nd chip. I read VIDs requesting max of 1.35 watts, but generally way less than that. And actual V-Core voltage was around 1.282v on 2nd chip (for an example).
I wasnt that confident about Zen 5 I wait sometime after launch before I get a new mobo and cpu so the bugs get the chop lol and such performance improvements are nice. They have a nice game bundle recently I think with space marine 2 being free with some products. I quite like Warhammer 40k so it looked good to me.
Leo, I'm a gamer on a PC and I ru. Win 10, because I cannot be bothered to switch to winning 11, reinstall everything etc. The build I've got survives 2 gpus and 3 processors. Win 10 works for 6 years now. I'll switch when I upgrade to AM6 from AM4, or they kill Win 10.
I use windows 10 because i have a 21:9 monitor and I want my taskbar vertically on the left. I also like to create custom toolbars which i couldn't do when I tried windows 11. I also really didn't like the extra clicks that seemed to be required in 11. Finally i had several issues with software freezing during installation or next buttons not working. I went back to 10 immediately and everything just works. I don't feel any need and i have no desire at all to ever install 11. Everything i do, which includes gaming, works just fine in 10. I can't remember the last time I had any problems with anything on 10
I'm on windows 10. I trimmed it down with a script "windows debloat" when i move to windows 11 i hope that there will be another script to remove intrusive software from windows that scans my taxs / photos and uploads to windows LLM/Photo generators.
I'm still on Win10 because my 1800x/x370 system is not officially supported. Have been running Fedora Linux on my laptop happily for nearly a year, so will probably switch to linux at some point. Also not a fan of the deep AI and Microsoft account integration.
I'm kinda thankful I'm stuck on Windows 10 because of my older processor. My newer laptop updated to Windows 11 and it severely slowed down basic things like my volume control and start menu. It's insane. Add to that all the news over the years of Microsoft messing up Windows 11 (start menu broke because it needed the internet, copilot everywhere, slower file explorer, a bing feed you can accidentally swipe open, can't rearrange the start menu, now this weird performance stuff). They added a bunch of nice interface things, for sure. But they don't outweigh the basic and critical stuff that they keep breaking. I've decided to keep using Windows 10 as long as I can on my new build I'm planning later this year.
@@Winnetou17Me specifically, I couldn't. I use too many Windows-specific applications, including ones I have to write and test. There also seems to be a bunch of lingering Wacom (screen) tablet problems on linux. Definitely a no go.
i use windows 10 on my system as every time i install windows 11 i have a noticeable decrease in overall system performance. The ui is slower to respond, apps do not perform as well, games run slower....everything is in general noticeably slower. I have a ryzen 5900x, 1tb samsung nvme ssd, 64 gigs of ram, and an AMD 6700XT. honestly, i am debating whether i even want to go to windows 11 at all....
Windows 10 gamer here. The UI is just straight up better and is less of a headache to use. Moving forward I'm considering switching to Linux for my main OS and singleplayer games. Then dual boot Windows 11 for multiplayer games and office programs.
First off: Content quality top notch as usual. In salute to your guest: You could put Leo as face of any brand under you’d instantly push sympathy numbers for such. Great guy with a wide spectrum of profound knowledge and highly likable storytelling skill.
Would still like to see him run the same tests he did with the generations of Zen but this time limit the clock speed to the same on each chip so we could see the IPC (shitty term but is what it is) uplift over the different generations.
I live in BC, Canada. I game on Windows 10, on my laptop and my desktop, and I will install 10 on the PC I'm currently building. I grudgingly move on to a new OS version after its unofficial beta...essentially agreeing with the statement at 48:53 or so. Microsoft appears to use early adopters as test subjects, and I am unwilling to go through that headache any more often than I must. I only "upgraded" to 10 for the DX12 support.
I am on windows 11 but I'm the tech person of my family, everyone else in my family (that games) ive told to keep running windows 10 until it is unsupported so that is ...4 other computers on 10 when im the only one on 11.
What a great episode. Good debate of alternative views on 10 Vs 11. GPU debate was great and included thoughts about how marketing, production and design are linked together. Keep up the great work and can't wait for the next one in a year's time.
Im a Gamer using Windows 10 on my 3900x/RTX3080 + my spare pc & laptop. Im not a fan of Windows 11 (The settings menues gets more confusing every windows Launch) and in the later years I have often skipped every other Windows version because I dont see a reason to upgrade. And right now im considering going Windows 10 when I upgrade to 9800x3d, although lack of Win10 support at the end of next year will probably force me to Windows 11. So far I have used Windows 95 --> 98 --> 98SE --> XP --> Windows 7 --> 10 --> ?
@@Winnetou17 Thx for the tip, maybe ill do a dualboot, if that is still a thing. I however prefer everything just to work, I probably could fix all the issues, but when im at the computer I want to game, not diagnosing errors.
@@kennethmortensen6298 Yeah dual boot is totally a thing. So is simply booting from the USB, though installing it you'll see more how it works and so on. For the dual boot, make sure it's on a different SSD or HDD than Windows. Technically you can do it on the same disk, but you're asking for trouble. The bootloater will likely be overwritten by updates.
Windows 10 ryzen 7 2700X and 1070. Mobo didn't support tpm module, I think there was eventually work around but I just wont upgrade until w10 is end of life. Personally, you need double the clicks to do easy wifi or volume changes, and they keep moving settings around which is annoying. It's so bad that it makes me go back to the control panel when im using w11 for work.
To Leo: Legit gaming on Ubuntu 24.04 (5800X3D on X470, 32GB 3200 C14 and RX 6950XT). It's the easiest setup for gaming I've ever had. No driver downloads needed, just install steam and go. And for GOG, Battlenet and Epic there is Lutris. I do most other things on my mac but specifically gaming does not require Windows anymore.
I have been using windows 10 on my 5800x/6900xt, the reason im using it is because microsoft keeps making windows worse and more bloated, on every opportunity given, so i always waited the longest possible time to move OS', from XP, to 7, to 10, and now, 11. Since W10 came out, i have had multiple friends finish colege in programing/it. They are the friends i speak to daily and have all moved to linux, the amount of times i hear them complain about linux seems no different to the ammount that i do about windows. As soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported, i will move to linux.
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HWUB actually tested WIN 10 vs WIN 11
WIN 10 is mostly faster.
HWUB even took care of MEMORY INTEGRETY
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I am sorry, but you will be bald within 3-years.
Remember the good old days when suspend was a thing? You didnt even need to have a battery in your laptop and it would save where everything was. Back when youtube and other streaming sites would load the full video. I would open a few tabs, let the bar at the bottom of the videos load up, then suspend and take my laptop to work where there was no internet and watch when offline.
That's hibernation mode! I believe you can still manually enable it even on Windows 11. You disable sleep. It takes longer to wake, but it's way better than back in the days when hdds were a thing.
Make Windows still uses hibernation mode after a device has been asleep for more than a certain period of time. It's automatic. It's also what your device does when it runs out of power; it never actually shuts down. It saves everything and goes into hibernate so you never lose data.
@@Walkop yes, hibernate! It's been so long I had forgot the name.
Hibernate saved the memory to hard drive. It's a pure software thing.
what? Hibernation still works in W11
Sometimes my battery is empty after a night of hibernation. Weird thing.
47:50 I use Windows 10 because...
1.) lower RAM requirement (my 14GB laptop is dying doing literally anything on Win11)
2.) file explorer opens instantly instead of taking forever
3.) I do not like the Win11 settings menu
4.) everything feels slow
Microsoft is forcing everyone to get win11 next year, i am not looking forward to that.
@@Valueshooter no they are forcing us to switch to linux
@@HoldinContempt yeah, but i like to run my games 100% of the time, without jumping through hoops.
@@Valueshooter If your games run fine with steamdeck/steamos you'll be fine with a decent Linux distro. Try a few in a vm like virtualbox to get the feel of which distro suits you best. Myself started using SuSE 6.1 back in the days and now for the last 15 years or so Debian testing as a DE. Most of gaming I do on Linux with wine-staging or using Steam linux launcher and as replacement for Epic launcher I use Heroic launcher, also available for windows.
@@Valueshooter Depends on what games you play. I'm mostly on single player games and so far all the games I tested worked with no hassle on Linux, including an older game - For the Glory - which didn't work in Windows 10 (and I did tried making it work, checking logs, settings, compatibility modes and so on). Worked first try in Linux.
But if you play some competitive shooters, yeah, that's a hard no for Linux at the moment, with no estimation when that won't be an issue, since it's the developers actively denying the games to work on Linux, so Linux or Valve etc can't do anything about it.
“ A terrible state of affairs “ totally British thing to say.
Quite.
ever since win98, we've learns to skip windows releases
win98: yes
winME: no
winXP: yes
winvista: No
win7: yes
win8: no
win10: yes
win11: no
I never experience Win XP, after Win 98 I switched to Win 2000 and then Win 7...
You also skipped windows 2000
Very well said. I used the same versions due to strong recommendations.
@@WayStedYouwhich was mostly server stuff so...
@@WayStedYou I think Windows NT/2000 was their workstation stuff if I remember correctly, not consumer
Man, I love Leo discussing stuff, Hope to see him more frequently in the near future
Microsoft only cares about Ads and data-mining in Windows, not the performance.
Also, what's their incentive to optimise it for the end users hardware, when what they really want is to turn Windows into a cloud based subscription
I have never seen a single add on windows but heard about it. Is this a joke, or am I just conditioned so hard, that ignore it? ( Or not enabled in my region)
@@TheHighborn probably not enabled in your region.
pebcac bro. also the 24 update is banging
@@TheHighborn The US Version of Windows compared to Europe is night and day.
47:00
I am still on Windows 10. Screw windows 11. We switched to 11 at work, and it causes more problems than its worth.
Don't want to run that on my personal system. I have zero issues on 10. None.
I have no issues with win11. You must be running some really ancient software applications that stopped being supported a decade agol
I use Win 11 and it is completly fine.
I’m running on Windows 11 since 2021 and never had any issues
I have it on a MY2023 laptop which is harder to downgrade. Its been ok in terms of compatibility. The changes they made to the UI however are 100% pointless and tbh it feels more like a skin of 10 rather than anything deserving a new number.
I had to go look up reverting the instant web search back to 7's instant search within a day. barf.
I’m very close to switching to Linux these days.
I like Leo's perspectives. Critical but not unnecessarily cynical.
I am a gamer on Windows 10. I like the layout of 10 vs 11. My example would be if you wish to delete a file you have to right click the go to a submenu to acquire the "delete" option.
I have the same preference, but still use Win 11. There is a program to make the left-click the same as Win 10
@@superamigo987 Thanks. I know I have to learn the idiosyncrasies of 11. I don't wish to put the time into it.
@@superamigo987 "We created a solution to a created problem, both of which essentially are superfluous really" -the world just gets more and more inefficient doesnt it lol
you can bring back most of the old menus (i prefer them too). who wants a tiny pair of scissors or a notepad icon on a 27 inch screen when its not short of space to say freaking copy and paste 😅
Windows 11's designers clearly monitored what the most common actions people took with files, and then buried them in the additional options field... Literally none of the front and center options are what I want to use. Ever.
Kitguru is smart. Zen5 released early to make space for rdna4 in tsmc on N4P.
That would also explain why the new generation motherboards (x870e) are six week's behind the CPU release.
Another Windows 10 gamer here, I'm staying as long as Windows 10 is supported because it feels like Microsoft is doubling down on every single aspect of Windows 10 that irritates me in 11.
all gamers are staying on windows 10 because there are massive performance and latency issues with games running on windows 11. If they cant fix that then windows 11 is permanently dead for gamers.
You may miss some performance gains though as the KB5041587 update is not scheduled for a backport down to win 10.
Microsoft seems to want to make a UX that's extraordinarily simplified (like iSO but for toddlers) while also being actively hostile towards anyone who wants any say in how they use their PC... As if they didn't learn the lesson from Windows 8... I think it's all just heading towards their end-goal of a browser based UI that you need an annual subscription to use
I don't trust Micro$oft to make W11 work for me off the bat, and I despise the spyware and outright data theft they're throwing in there. I've got W10 configured to where they don't get any data from me, and I'd prefer to keep it that way. I'll only switch once I have to, and at that point I might just go Linux. Apparently support for games and apps has improved a lot.
Don't fix what's not broken.
I am on Win 11. Honestly, it is fine.
Prepare for a world of hurt if you're planning to daily drive ANY linux distro.
This right here, I'm still on W10 for similar reasons. Microsoft has been getting worse and worse when it comes to data-mining and security. But initially I didn't even trust them to make W11 functional let alone good. They've pushed out so many garbage versions now, it's utterly absurd. After waiting to see if it was any good, Microsoft proceeded to out ads on a product you pay for, do even more to collect your data, and just turn the whole thing into what I view as a dumpster fire. As W10 goes E.O.L. I'm researching Linux. I may have to dual-boot for games but we'll see, if I do it'll require serious modification to remove the garbage from W11 or W12.
I ran linux on my gaming machine for two months recently and it pretty much works as well as windows does now. You'll lose some performance to Proton in non-native games and they haven't got HDR sorted yet, but if that's not an issue for you, then the experience is pretty much perfect in nearly every game you throw at it. Even multiplayer games.
Answer to why I am using windows 10.
I am using because I do not like AI being pushed into OS. As well as you can't using official installation media to install windows 11 Pro without internet. You must have internet and set microsoft account. To make local account post launch is being made even harder. Once windows 10 expires I will move to linux. I already half way to switch. I do linux daily drive for a month every 3-4 months to see if it moved forward and I happily can say that to use Linux (Manjaro 24) i needed to use terminal only once to enable coolercontrol for fan speed control. Everything worker out of the box (full AMD system here).
Also I tested win11 performance boost patch it in terms of performance it was still not on par to windows 10 in performance. I am still about 10% on avg higher performance than on win 11. The system I have is Ryzen 7800X3D, RX 7900GRE, 32gb 6000MT cl32 tuned RAMs
Yep win11 and newer will push that ai crap and be more anti privacy with more and more spyware. Also Windows is less user friendly after Windows 7 with more hidden or deleted usefull options and subjectively have uglier GUI. Aero Galss was slick and looked nice. Windows 10 default metro UI is flat and ugly, win 11 is little improvement. Anyway I always install custom Windows builds from community and they are much better optimised, all updates and improvements/hacks included and all bloatware and MS forced options disabled or removed like telemetry spyware etc. All builds are still updateable and are much faster and convinient than vanilla revisions.
Win11 is more performant than Win10 for gaming? Even with 23H2?
What am I missing.
@@syrozzz read again. windows 10 has higher performance even after the boost for windows 11
@@katsuenyagaming I think he means the Win 11 GUI is "a little improvement" vs the Windows 10 gui and the second part he means the community installs of Windows are better than the MS bloatware versions that have all the crap and spyware installed.
@@skilletpan5674 Yep....Even more...Windows 10 custom builds have many performance tweaks and "hacks" for better game performance so some builds are as fast as recent Win 11 24h2 update or even faster and more responsive. Of course community Windows builds are not recommended for everyone because some tweaks and hacks/disabled options can break compatibility with some more specific software....but for gamer or daily use are best option.
The card Leo is talking about at 1hour 27 is the Geforce FX 5800 Ultra, circa 2003, AKA "the dustbuster."
Answering the question for why I'm still on Win10: Windows 11 development is prioritizing service sales and advertising screen space, which I am just not going to put up with. I'm getting better and better at using PopOS on my 2nd machine, and will switch my primary machine over next year.
47:17 I'm a gamer on Windows 10, zero interest on switching to 11. 10 is stable, I know the OS, and generally I know where to tweak it if I need to. Form what I've heard 11 may take some getting used to and in some areas it's a bit of a downgrade and a bit of a mess in usability.
You know I'm listening to the full video when it's Leo!
To answer the question at 47:20 , with a 7800X3D and 4080S, I still use windows 10 over 11 because I dislike how Win 11 looks and operates on a user level. And same as Tom, it breaks some of the apps I'm using. If Win 10 Ent didnt't break more of my apps than Win 11, I'd still be using Win 10 Ent.
As always, great podcast! Love putting it on as I go about my day.
This guys has great grasp on that straight faced comedy. He makes me laugh but he never cracks a smile lol My discernment for intelligence is going crazy. Plus.. great channel and clearly quality content.
Also known as dry british humour
As an actual gamer on an actual pc (7800X3D/6900XT) using windows 10 22H2, what do I gain from windows 11? I wish he elaborated why he went to windows 11 as soon as he could. From what I’ve seen windows 11 24H2 performance is the same as windows 10 22H2, or less performant…
Yeah, I'm also confused why he went to 11 as soon as possible, especially given the numerous performance issues when it first came out. At this point it seems like the best case is that 11 and 10 are on parity, but usually 11 looses if the numerous video reviews are anything to go by.
Great question. I'm still on win 10 with a 3900x and a 7900xt. I am waiting on a later verdict (after updates) regarding am5 to upgrade my cpu.
Alright after hubs newest video, windows 11 23H2 needs a patch to even be on par w windows 10. And in the end windows 11 24H2 is 9/10 times showing better performance than windows 10 22H2. But, isn’t that same patch coming to windows 10?
Actual Win10 gamer user. Whenever I have seen Win10 vs Win11 benchmarks (see hardware unboxed vid from 3 months ago for example) Win10 wins, so why would I bother changing? 5800X3D user.
I use Win11 on my tablet, and an update stopped explorer working entirely, requiring a recovery, so that hasn't helped.
Because in that same video he says "in the past I found both operating systems to deliver similar gaming performance and if anything it's generally been Windows 11 that offers the performance advantage". Also in my own experience hdr works way better on windows 11.
@@Nib_Nob-t7x Because?
@@madduckuk look this won’t go anywhere if you don’t know how to read.
@ LEO - I use Windows 10 on a 7800X3D+4090 (and all my other systems for work and play). I use a very lean, de-bloated version of Win10, and have TPM off in BIOS and DON'T want Windows 11 with its Copilot, TPM requirement, Bitlocker, Ads, worse UI, etc. If I could, I would keep using Win10 for as long as I can, even after end of life in Oct. 2025.
I think techtubers and tech journalists greatly overestimate how much influence they have. 99% of the market just doesn't consume this content. The average person isn't going to not buy an Arrow Lake CPU because of the Raptor Lake issues, they don't even know what those are. They just buy a new pre built or laptop ever couple years and don't even know what generation their CPU is most of the time.
"What CPU do you have?"
"Oh man, I really went all out this time and got an i7!"
"What generation is it though?"
".... what?"
CAUSE AMERICANS DON'T CARE...THEY WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH LINUX AND WANT GAMING PC DAY 1....NOT MONTH LATER UNDER LINUX
@@user78405thats only happened after 2020.
I somewhat agree but generally people ask the kids or someone who they think is smart what they should get. They either send them a link or say amd
@@drewy2222 No, they say "Get an MSI" or "Get a Dell" lol. Think of the Intel CPU issue like this: If the fuel pump in your Ford F150 is bad, are you going to blame Ford's fuel pump supplier or Ford themselves?
@@BrianCroweAcolyte you are right ,many consumers don't know what is generation,what are cores, threads,,etc.ONly the sellers or few consumers who are into this stuff like gamers or people who assemble their own PC for various purposes like modelling,,editing,etc know these stuff.Rest are unaware of this
Windows 10 all the way.
Its the last decent version of Windows.
I do NOT need all the adware or re-re-re-re-revamped "modern" UI.
My PC even lacks a pre-requisite for installing Windows 11.
@Kitguru I'm a gamer using Windows 10 on both my laptop and PC, and the 3 people I game frequently with also use Windows 10. My reason for using it is that I do not upgrade something just because something new is out, "if it is not broken don't fix it". Windows 11 has a variety of undesirable changes, lower stability and reliability, user interface changes I do not want, and Windows 10 has another year worth of support so there is no reason for myself or my friends to upgrade to it any time soon. Every 2nd release of Windows is a horrid nightmare for 25 years now, starting with Windows ME, Vista, 8.x, and now 11. We're hoping Microsoft surprises everyone with Windows 12 before 10 goes EOL, and that 12 is a "doesn't suck" release. I know too many people who upgraded to Windows 11 and regretted it, some of whom went back to Windows 10. Eventually I'll be switching to Windows 12, or 11 if 12 is not out when 10 goes EOL, but I am in no hurry to do so and will make the move only with a gun to my head.
I'm an actual gamer with an actual desktop, and I'm still on Windows 10 because fuck Windows 11. Ads, spyware, buggy, breaks things. That is my perception of it, and it will take a lot of work for me to be disavowed of that.
I'm a gamer on windows 10. I have a R9-7950x with 32gb of ram. I use windows 10 because I don't like the further creep of microsoft online crap. I don't want to be eventually forced to have an "internet only" PC. I refuse to upgrade to windows 11 even though it's free. I'll be switching to Linux and running W10 or W7 etc in a VM and doing GPU passthrough (It's been getting steadily better over the last several years) before I install Windows 11.
I wish I could give more likes. I'm roughly in the same spot. Even though I could install W11 and also bypass that DISGUSTING forced Microsoft account (I have no fear or disgust of using the terminal) I chose not to out of principle. I'll never install W11 on any of my computers (well, maybe in a VM if I'll be forced by some circumstance). The Windows 10 I have worked basically flawless for almost 8 years (though that's a bit of luck too, from what I've seen). And since January I switched to Linux. I still have the Windows 10, just in case, but I haven't used it.
Still on Win 10 cuz of the feedback about Win 11 being problematic. I use Win 11 for work and it seems fine. I would swap to Win 11 on my gaming PC if there was improved performance.
Hardware Unboxed did a video with some detailed tests comparing Windows 10 and 11 on, I think, a few different Intel and AMD CPUs, and games were, on average, a bit faster on Windows 10. Many games had about the same performance, but many games had around 3 to 10% better performance on Windows 10 iirc. Very few games were more than around 5% faster, but it's still kinda embarassing for the newer OS to be slower, even if by a relatively small margin.
From my perspective, I'm not too worried about the performance differences, but I have seen complaints about the Windows 11 UI, and I'm also wary to do a full re-install of the OS, which could be a big hassle for a few different reasons.
With the updates to Windows 11, some games will actually run faster on Windows 11, even with Zen 3 (the architecture I'm using), but in some recent testing I've seen, performance isn't necessarily going to be that much better, and can still be worse on Windows 11 even with Zen 5, but also with Zen 4 or Zen 3. Ancient Gameplays did a great detailed video on this, and the results seemed quite strange. They were very inconsistent and all over the place.
47:50 On Windows 10 here, I don't want to be forced into learning another less user-friendly interface that's going to be abandoned with the next update, and I sure as hell don't want to pay for it with worse performance on top. I still use command prompt and the Windows 7 UI over powershell and the useless Windows 10 configuration tools. On my next build I'm absolutely switching to Linux. KDE Plasma is closer to the desktop I'm familiar with than Windows 11. Over the last decade Microsoft have done everything to appeal to phone and tablet users, and actively punished their existing market for using the reliable UI they developed almost 30 years ago with Windows 95.
Well said!
I upgraded to win11 when i built a new computer a year ago. That said, im thinking about goong back to wind10 because apart from (poorly) tabbed explorer and notepad, and dsrkmode for notepad, it seems worse to me.
I have disabled my TPM in the BIOS in order to stop any chance of accidentally fat-fingering an upgrade to Win11. Microsoft can get bent, I will not move over until I'm forced to and then I'll probably start at least dual-booting some idiot-friendly version of Linux.
The search bar on my dad's Win11 PC broke and he had to go through a full system restore to get it working again. It really seems like the actual OS no longer is Microsoft's priority.
Im sorry Leo, but what? Why cant gamers stay on windows 10. What in the actual fuck was this out of touch question. Am I stupid and not getting the sarcasm or what? Im not gonna repeat all the points that MANY other commenters have already said here. Just look at all these comments lol.
Yeah, it took me by surprise too. I don't think it was sarcasm, he seemed genuinely surprised that many still use Windows 10. I guess he also doesn't know the StatCounter statistic that 60-70% of Windows users are still on Windows 10 (and several months ago Windows 10 INCREASED in percentages, though not by a lot, it could be simply month to month variance).
He did said that he went to W11 almost immediately after it got out, so probably to him to hear people still use Windows 10 is like us hearing that somebody still uses Windows 7 or XP. W11 turns 3 years old next month. And it probably only now finally got its scheduler fixed (that I always made fun of, even though I didn't knew it was THIS BAD. But the signs that it was bad were there - process lasso being needed still for dual chips X3D CPUs, Intel making APO because Windows couldn't, having to screw with Game bar and all manner of things like that)
Can’t wait for MLID to hit 200K🔥
if he leaks battlemage then it will reach 1 million he have my blessing if he leaks XD
Should we throw the brothers a party? 🎉
i can
Who the heck is mlid?
@@estebanrodriguez9680 r u real?
I moved away from windows 10 to Linux, but all my friends who use windows still are on windows 10 because windows 11 has so many shitty changes
just go windows 10 ltsc if you want to keep using windows without having problems with lack of software updates.
The thing that will kill Intel in regards to Class Action Lawsuit legitimacy is the aggressive binning where lower quality silicon turned into 14900K that should have been 14700K or 14600K. While Golden Samples can boost with relatively lower voltages, less than ideal samples would need too much just to reach the same boost clocks.
I game on both win 10 and win 11. I hate that win 11 requires a Microsoft account. The UI is annoyingly simplified to the point of stupidity. It causes interference with some new games, it breaks compatibility with some old games. It keeps advertising content and features that I absolutely hate with a passion, and even turns some of them back on with updates. I would switch to Linux but the games I like to play don't work on Linux and last time I tried, I got a suspension.
Which games and when ?
Hey Leo. Windows 11 doesn't allow me to change position on my taskbar to the vertical position. I have use a drawing tablet and I do not want to turn my neck all the way down to access my taskbar if I put the taskbar on the tablet. If I put the taskbar on my top monitor it looks weird.
Has it really been a year?
So the two biggest search engines are Google and Google?
Now it's Some poor GPT model that they expect to outperform.
Just like the two biggest airforces are the us airforce then the us navy
@@WayStedYou I suppose that is valid.
I'm in the US and using Windows 10. I won't be upgrading for a variety of reasons, but the Recall feature is a huge reason why. I won't ever be upgrading to Windows 11 or future versions until they take out things like Recall.
I use Windows 10 on all gaming rigs.
EU. I use WIndows 10 because currently I fear that Windows 11 will eat my Linux efi partition. The file explorer is also quite gutted, the taskbar is strangely tall and everything has just too much padding. The taskbar labels were introduced some time ago, so that's one thing off the list. I'll wait some time till everything's fixed and go through registry to disable more annoyances.
32GB 8800xt @ $700 will be a godsent for AI devs. It will open up so many opportunities such as fine tuning 8B fp16 models which already took up 16GB VRAM on its own, thus the additional 16GB to play around with is an amazing proposition.
Keep dreaming. Amd 8000 series is going to be an embarrassment this generation. No way a 8800xt is getting 32gb of vram. This guy must be smoking some really good stuff.
Even 24 GB doesn't sound realistic for Navi 48
The Intel fab in Germany just got the legal green light to start building. Intel could obviously still fold on that, but it's Germany we're talking about, so a lot of money and effort has already gone into just doing the paperwork, so Intel must be somewhat committed to it.
They're delaying the fab afaik.
Why am I using win10? Because I dont need a program to actually get the taskbar to behave the way I want it to, I dont want to fight the system for even more telemetry stuff etc. Win10 works. Why the HELL would I change?????
I did buy a 14700K for fun, because I wanted to mess with the hybrid architecture, despite knowing it wasnt the best performer... Rather than overclocking and tuning the sht out of that -- basically I am reigning in the factory overclock... Thankfully we have BuildZoid deep diving in all the info and settings, which helps a lot!
I now have the voltage reading working properly.
I gave it a max voltage limit.
I have intells safety features turned on (CEP).
I have undervolted the chip.
I overclocked single threaded speed with a minor undervolt up to 59x.
I have configured TVB, which I dont get why thats only reserved for the 14900K...
And I am running the Extreme profile for the 14900KS.
Its been in my posession since start 2024, and its not showing any signs of degrading. But if it does, I am RMAing the chip, putting it in a glass display, and already know which mobo and 7800X3D (or 10800X3D) I am replacing it with lol.
I still use Win10 on ZEN3 for the simple reason that I don't trust Microsoft in any way whatsoever.
Win10 runs without any problem and no amount of persuation to "upgrade" is making me do that.
Windows 10, like the layout, hate integration of AI, ads, etc.
I'm a student, currently daily drive Surface pro 8 (intel 11th gen) as my only computer.
My main problem with it is the battery drain when sleep and power usage on light task. My experience is I'll leave home when fully charged, for 1.5 hour of browser and note taking with Microsoft Journal the battery would drop to about 65-75%. Which means I would have to have either a power bank or a charger at hand to go through the day. While one charge too slow to be useful and another need a wall outlet.
With lunar lake seems to address my problem and seems for my workload for me to forgo both charger and power bank while providing ok performance and gaming capability while docked.
I know I'm in the vast minority, but I somehow never liked or trusted sleep and always used hibernate. I'm still baffled that people who (at least at times) do this professionally and need it at critical moments are still gambling with standby is beyond me. Is the 5-15 seconds you win when you open the laptop really worth it ?
Damn anandtech gone too now, rip.
They were one of the only places for some reason capable of making easy to read product comparison tables, amongst many other things, but this detail in particular is why written reviews / deep dives are necessary compared to some youtube click chasing vid thats going to be filtered out of the algorithm a few weeks after its been released and impossible to reference again in the future...
I find this Copilot PC race absolutely riveting. I can barely contain my excitement.
Same bro. I don't even know what it is. Siri for Windows? Typing or trying to tell it what you want to do instead of doing it directly yourself?
At work we are still on win 10 and 10th gen /12th gen CPUs. We now have a co pilot button on all our work apps (Microsoft)
@@MrStoffzor I actually have a Microsoft Surface Laptop 7 with Snapdragon X Plus, which I love. But sometimes - annoyingly enough - I accidentally press the copilot key on the keyboard. 😅 I don't think "Copilot" has any sort of useful features associated to it currently (and I'm not holding my breath). The key itself opens a crappy Chat GPT-like app where you can enter text (or use voice input, I suppose), and then it does an incredibly bad job of answering, most often essentially just lists search engine results with some annoying and pointless narrative around them, quite often ignoring what you explicitly asked it to do or not do.
@@leakyabstraction Why don't you uninstall it(Co-Pilot)?
Yeah. I'm so happy about copilot and stuff. I can't wait to run Linux 0/24
I use W10 because i dont like the new ui in W11, performance is worse, and internet only setup, i might go linux when support end for W10
You can do a local setup, because it's possible to open a command prompt during the earliest steps of the setup process and type in some Linux-style magic words which skips ahead of all the setup menues and throws you straight onto the desktop.
@@hammerth1421 They're changing and patching that. They just did several months ago and most ways to bypass that don't work anymore. One of my gf's older relative got a new laptop and I wasn't able to bypass the stupid Microsoft account requirement. Haven't tried too much, as I didn't had time and frankly I was the only one bothered by the MS account, the one using the laptop didn't care.
Frankly this decision alone is why I'll never have W11 on my personal computers. Even if I can bypass it (and I don't have any fear or disgust on using the terminal) the mere idea of it makes my blood to boil.
Windows 11 performance is not worse. I have used windows 11 on a shitbox that didn't mean minimum spec and the UI and everything else ran just as great as it does on my newer machines
@KitGuru because I already have Windows 10 and Windows 11 offers no added value and is even worse to use.
I have to be honest and say that if someone has a Linux (Ubuntu) PC running (which is no longer rocket science these days) they won't want to go anywhere else for office and web.
Try it. It's better than Windows ever was.
Tom's hardware is not far behind Anandtech honestly. You just cannot ignore video content now a days and expect to survive.
I'm an actual gamer, in America, on a PC, and i use Windows 10. Why? What does Windows 11 do that 10 doesn't? I don't upgrade my OS just because Microsoft wants more money this year. Windows 10 is perfect. Also everyone knows Windows OS's are like Star Trek movies, every other one is good. Windows 10 is good, that means 11 is bad, i'll wait for 12.
Legendary guest. More of this sort of thing.
I use 10pro, and I have full control of it and I love the gui. Win 11 is a waste of space if I wanted a fake mac I would just buy a mac, I hate hate hate the gui in win 11and there is no reason to force that crap on the user. Linux is probably for me on the way forward vs the direction windows is going. But windows 10 is fine until the next direct x is out, which will be win12 so win 11 is just a waste!
As requested: I am retired and and now a full time gamer. I use windows 10 and will not be going to Win11. This is due to the mandatory nature of data collection, lack of transparency of data collection, the claim that I do not own the copy of the software, and many other minor personal issues with Microsoft as a company. I will most likely turn to a Linux/Steam OS build when I decide to ditch Windows.
Thanks Steve!
Great episode, loved Leo's thoughts. It was great to hear him in this way, live answering questions and commenting...
What Leo at 1:51:30 is talking about is the HBCC. (High bandwidth cache controller). AMD was trying to get more peformance by tapping into system ram to extend the cache on the card. The workstation cards were doing a similar thing, but with the fastest SSD's available and using it as a pool on onboard memory (albeit slower) to reduce latency.
I don't know if it ever really worked out. But what could be interesting is a daughter board with some cache you could connect to the card so the GPU doesn't need to call instructions from the CPU so often, thereby reducing cycles required to fetch. So a Workstation card bundled with extra cache as a combo of sorts.
Edit: 2:39:30
AMD in the last 3 years did do a collab with Samsung on ARM in the Exynos chips to improve GPU performance from the stock arm Mali-G series. I don't know what happened or whether Samsung isn't bothering, but they tried their hand at it.
I would like AMD to do SoC's. Biggest weakness they have is they don't make wifi chips at all.
I downgraded 11 back to 10 because they installed copilot and talked about releasing recall on my PC. Nope. You already snoop on my data, you don't get to use my PC to generate a model based on my computer usage to quietly grab. Moving to Linux soon.
Nvidias founders cards are obviously there to win reviews against amds reference cards.
nvidia is winning anyways so it doesnt matter at all lol
@@De2t3ny Having 5 of the same rtx4070 and 2 of the same rtx4080 does matter.
@@DonovanMcNabb5 thats great. amd still cant compete with their gpus so it doesnt matter
@@De2t3ny Pretty much unfortunately. I'm still grabbing a few RDNA4 GPUs for friends and family (and one for myself for my main then going into my alt PC), but you better believe whatever AMD is pooping out is going to be anywhere near a 5080 and 5090 (I'll be grabbing one next year).
I like his analysis on if Intel's future, but if you look at Intel's earnings, it's actually the product side that despite all its issues is still making money. It's the foundry that's bleeding cash and dragging everything down with it. You could argue Intel isn't even in this position/never loses their dominant position from a decade ago if the product side had the free reign to manufacture with TSMC sooner. A Fabless Intel could do something like that.
Who would want to come in and buy a foundry that's losing money?? That's what would need to be figured out. Or likely some big money venture capital/private equity backed big wigs come in, buy the fabs, and start this whole thing up as something else under a new name.
I use Windows 10 because 11 has half baked UI, removed some features, some games are unstable. Also has more overhead than 10. Wouldn't switch until I have to, might just move to 12 directly.
Brilliant episode!
Cheers!
I use Windows 10 and am a gamer, reason being I don’t trust Microsoft to make 2 good Operating systems in a row.
I also assume Windows 12 will essentially be AI accelerated spyware.
So with Windows 10 being near EoL and Windows 12 likely very intrusive. I feel like Microsoft is forcing me toward Linux which is likely where I’ll end up.
Thank goodness Valve is bringing gaming on Linux close to parity with Windows. Here’s hoping they release a legit desktop distribution.
Same, all the way. Can't wait to make Win10 the last time I have to deal with microsoft
Gamer and generally user on windows 10 with a 5800x3d. As a rule, I wait until as long into the development cycle as possible with new software to update to it- if there is no new features that would benefit me. If it’s not broken, why risk the instability? Why deal with getting used to a slightly different UI?
Additionally, there are advanced audio settings that I can find in windows 10 that I can’t find in windows 11. I couldn’t help my win11 friend sent up microphone monitoring through his headset like I can in windows 10.
I use my pc for audio production. I use software from many 3rd party developers in my workflow. I can afford anything breaking.
Lastly, my motherboard doesn’t have bitlocker or something enabled. It doesn’t give me the option to upgrade to windows 11 anyway.
I’ll roll with windows 10 on my zen3 cpu until they make me change. If I upgrade my rig with a new CPU, I’ll jump to windows 11.
BitLocker is a windows thing, so I doubt it's that. Maybe you lack TPM. Which, on desktop computers can be bought as a separate module and added, I think via a PCI-E connection, if you really wanted to go W11.
I'd say to try Linux, but from what I've heard it's not good for audio production or something audio related, in a proffesional setting. Though now that pipewire is the standard, I hope this area will get fixed soon. Linux theoretically can be so much better, especially when low latency is required.
Using W10 here. In 4 years i'll retire and until then I'll bite into that saur apple and migrate to Linux. I had to strech and bend a lot to even migrate to the "last windows" because of all that bloat crap and data sucking. W11's just too much, I mean all these ideas like recall or "no local user"... there must be a bunch of sadistic villian's working in Redmont. I'm out.
5600 + b550 + 16x2 + 7700xt. Using Windows 10. It has proven to me to be stable enough, so i'll stick to it for as long as i can
frankly, one of the best episodes. great discussions! Leo is jst fantastic. His thoughts go well beyond the usual discourse regarding the pc hardware industry!
Leo is so smooth, always a pleasure to listen. Good podcast.
I am forced to use W11 at work. W11 broke older software and lost many QOL features from W10 that I refuse to live without on my personal system. My wife recently lost her tech job but got to keep her work-issued laptop (which originally came with W10 and updated to W11 in the past couple of years). About 2 weeks ago, it got into the bitlocker recovery loop. I took it as a sign from on high and wiped the boot drive and installed fresh W10 Pro. MS recognized the CPU and restored the OS key automatically. Set the registry key to prevent auto-updating back to W11. Prime-numbered versions of Windows seem to be cursed.
I have seen 7900xt at £620 once. Normally the best price £670.
If they put it at 600dollars then it will be £659-700 for the 8800xt which is to high.
I think 500$ would be the price where people would run to the stores to throw money at them.
That would mean 550€ including taxes.
@@K.R.98 in the show he said he was hearing 600d now. I was thinking when he said last week 500-600....well they will have lots of 7900gre/xt stock so needs to near 600 plus cos no one would want those card.
650d. 40d below 7900xt for cheapest cards.
@@danburke6568
Hm. Thats not next gen. That’s a 50$ discount for a card with 4GB less VRAM and a little more raytracing. If they dare to do that, then they can keep all their cards.
If RX8800XT is 500$ they could sell the RX7900XT and so for a discount too. (Just to get rid of them)
They’ll have a hard time keeping up with NVIDIA when they aim at the same price to performance as RDNA3. Because if there is no absolute performance increase people want at least cheaper prices
I feel like a Unicorn again. I have over a hundred games installed, several apps for multiple usecases, my poor little mATX motherboard has almost all internal headers, both M.2 slots and all 6 SATA slots populated, have my R5 5600x undervolted and overclocked, have updated Windows 11 FROM Windows 10 and yet - everything works perfectly stable and as fast and snappy as I could wish for. I didn't see much of a performance plus after the recent update, though, but that's probably due to only having an RTX 2070
So, I heard this from someone that knows, he said that Alder Lake team was fired and new engineers were forced to learn Alder Lake architecture in 2 months. After they were told to make new chip using Alder Lake structure, by cramming more cores in.
Raptor Lake was developed shortly after, but the new engineers were green and did not create Raptor Lake from scratch, like Alder Lake engineers that had to really innovate.
They crammed more stuff into a chip that the chip could handle.
I am reporting 2x 13900k failures, with both chips failing at 6 months marker
In both cases undervolted, watt limited, and cores were pinned to 5.5/4.3 (P-Cores/E-Cores) on launch. No boosts to 5.8 ghz
The issue with voltage is somewhere hidden. As I was massively undervolted to 1.29v on first chip and 1.28v on 2nd chip. I read VIDs requesting max of 1.35 watts, but generally way less than that. And actual V-Core voltage was around 1.282v on 2nd chip (for an example).
First part of your story…you heard it on this channel bro 😂
Leo's the best guest on this podcast!
I wasnt that confident about Zen 5 I wait sometime after launch before I get a new mobo and cpu so the bugs get the chop lol and such performance improvements are nice. They have a nice game bundle recently I think with space marine 2 being free with some products. I quite like Warhammer 40k so it looked good to me.
Leo, I'm a gamer on a PC and I ru. Win 10, because I cannot be bothered to switch to winning 11, reinstall everything etc. The build I've got survives 2 gpus and 3 processors. Win 10 works for 6 years now. I'll switch when I upgrade to AM6 from AM4, or they kill Win 10.
Looking at the comments Leo should be testing on Windows 10 and Linux rather than Windows 11 😂
I use windows 10 because i have a 21:9 monitor and I want my taskbar vertically on the left. I also like to create custom toolbars which i couldn't do when I tried windows 11. I also really didn't like the extra clicks that seemed to be required in 11. Finally i had several issues with software freezing during installation or next buttons not working. I went back to 10 immediately and everything just works. I don't feel any need and i have no desire at all to ever install 11. Everything i do, which includes gaming, works just fine in 10. I can't remember the last time I had any problems with anything on 10
Great conversation. Leo seems to have a good intuition about things as someone who has thought about this kind of hardware for decades.
I'm on windows 10. I trimmed it down with a script "windows debloat" when i move to windows 11 i hope that there will be another script to remove intrusive software from windows that scans my taxs / photos and uploads to windows LLM/Photo generators.
I'm still on Win10 because my 1800x/x370 system is not officially supported. Have been running Fedora Linux on my laptop happily for nearly a year, so will probably switch to linux at some point. Also not a fan of the deep AI and Microsoft account integration.
I'm kinda thankful I'm stuck on Windows 10 because of my older processor. My newer laptop updated to Windows 11 and it severely slowed down basic things like my volume control and start menu. It's insane.
Add to that all the news over the years of Microsoft messing up Windows 11 (start menu broke because it needed the internet, copilot everywhere, slower file explorer, a bing feed you can accidentally swipe open, can't rearrange the start menu, now this weird performance stuff). They added a bunch of nice interface things, for sure. But they don't outweigh the basic and critical stuff that they keep breaking. I've decided to keep using Windows 10 as long as I can on my new build I'm planning later this year.
As other said, you could probably try Linux too. There's some hard blockers, but there's plenty of people and use cases where it's perfectly fine.
@@Winnetou17Me specifically, I couldn't. I use too many Windows-specific applications, including ones I have to write and test. There also seems to be a bunch of lingering Wacom (screen) tablet problems on linux. Definitely a no go.
i use windows 10 on my system as every time i install windows 11 i have a noticeable decrease in overall system performance. The ui is slower to respond, apps do not perform as well, games run slower....everything is in general noticeably slower. I have a ryzen 5900x, 1tb samsung nvme ssd, 64 gigs of ram, and an AMD 6700XT. honestly, i am debating whether i even want to go to windows 11 at all....
Windows 10 gamer here. The UI is just straight up better and is less of a headache to use. Moving forward I'm considering switching to Linux for my main OS and singleplayer games. Then dual boot Windows 11 for multiplayer games and office programs.
Great show! I should go to bed but this is so interesting that I can't tear myself away from it.
First off: Content quality top notch as usual.
In salute to your guest: You could put Leo as face of any brand under you’d instantly push sympathy numbers for such. Great guy with a wide spectrum of profound knowledge and highly likable storytelling skill.
Would still like to see him run the same tests he did with the generations of Zen but this time limit the clock speed to the same on each chip so we could see the IPC (shitty term but is what it is) uplift over the different generations.
Leo!!! the one and only! What a legend !
windows 10 causes Microsoft stopped adding Bugs "Features" every 6 months that breaks crap.
I live in BC, Canada. I game on Windows 10, on my laptop and my desktop, and I will install 10 on the PC I'm currently building. I grudgingly move on to a new OS version after its unofficial beta...essentially agreeing with the statement at 48:53 or so. Microsoft appears to use early adopters as test subjects, and I am unwilling to go through that headache any more often than I must. I only "upgraded" to 10 for the DX12 support.
I am on windows 11 but I'm the tech person of my family, everyone else in my family (that games) ive told to keep running windows 10 until it is unsupported so that is ...4 other computers on 10 when im the only one on 11.
What a great episode. Good debate of alternative views on 10 Vs 11. GPU debate was great and included thoughts about how marketing, production and design are linked together. Keep up the great work and can't wait for the next one in a year's time.
Im a Gamer using Windows 10 on my 3900x/RTX3080 + my spare pc & laptop.
Im not a fan of Windows 11 (The settings menues gets more confusing every windows Launch) and in the later years I have often skipped every other Windows version because I dont see a reason to upgrade.
And right now im considering going Windows 10 when I upgrade to 9800x3d, although lack of Win10 support at the end of next year will probably force me to Windows 11.
So far I have used Windows 95 --> 98 --> 98SE --> XP --> Windows 7 --> 10 --> ?
You should also check Linux. Though there's some hard blockers there, but it's very usable for a lot of people already. Including many, many games.
@@Winnetou17 Thx for the tip, maybe ill do a dualboot, if that is still a thing.
I however prefer everything just to work, I probably could fix all the issues, but when im at the computer I want to game, not diagnosing errors.
@@kennethmortensen6298 Yeah dual boot is totally a thing. So is simply booting from the USB, though installing it you'll see more how it works and so on.
For the dual boot, make sure it's on a different SSD or HDD than Windows. Technically you can do it on the same disk, but you're asking for trouble. The bootloater will likely be overwritten by updates.
still use win10 over 11 because I absolutely hate the changes to the UI and rearranged locations of utilities.
Windows 10 ryzen 7 2700X and 1070. Mobo didn't support tpm module, I think there was eventually work around but I just wont upgrade until w10 is end of life. Personally, you need double the clicks to do easy wifi or volume changes, and they keep moving settings around which is annoying. It's so bad that it makes me go back to the control panel when im using w11 for work.
if you bios update it will
Win 10 user, it works for my gaming 😊
To Leo: Legit gaming on Ubuntu 24.04 (5800X3D on X470, 32GB 3200 C14 and RX 6950XT). It's the easiest setup for gaming I've ever had. No driver downloads needed, just install steam and go. And for GOG, Battlenet and Epic there is Lutris. I do most other things on my mac but specifically gaming does not require Windows anymore.
I have been using windows 10 on my 5800x/6900xt, the reason im using it is because microsoft keeps making windows worse and more bloated, on every opportunity given, so i always waited the longest possible time to move OS', from XP, to 7, to 10, and now, 11.
Since W10 came out, i have had multiple friends finish colege in programing/it. They are the friends i speak to daily and have all moved to linux, the amount of times i hear them complain about linux seems no different to the ammount that i do about windows.
As soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported, i will move to linux.