Intel Core i5-11400F Review, Forget Ryzen for Budget Gaming
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00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
05:41 - Application Benchmarks
09:32 - Gaming Benchmarks
13:26 - Final Thoughts
Intel Core i5 11400F vs 10400F, 11600K & 5600X
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Bought a 10400F at microcenter last week for $129. $20 discount means I got it for $109. Value can't be beat
thats a steal
This is a robbery
Wait nevermind
I'm still kicking myself for not buying extras of the 2600x last year when I built my son his first PC. All day at MC for $99-20 and they even dropped down to $79-20 for a little while.
Good ol’ microcenter
Yo thas Noice
The best hardware release of the last year simply because you can actually buy it.
@@mikkodoria4778 You throw that around very willy-nilly don't you.
@@mikkodoria4778 shut down lol
@@Hardwareunboxed just ignore it. Fanboys are just as brainless as people who argue with "you are a x fanboy". Its auseless discussion and not worth the time at all
@@mikkodoria4778 You running the overpriced R5 3600 or 5600X ?
@@mikkodoria4778 he's telling the truth. Ryzen 5000 aren't available and the rest of intel 11th gen is worse value.
11400f is the best value CPU as of now.
reviewing product average customer can actually buy is always a champ
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@@TyrellW fck the engrimsh
@@cybervoid8442 NOOOO
If your in the US the 5600x is in stock. That being said this is a good budget cpu
5800x has been in stock at MSRP on Amazon for days.
I love these CPUs not for the performance/price reason. but for the pressure they put on AMD to release the R5 5600 we all been waiting for. and lets hope these sell well so the price for r5 is competitive (180~230$)
I don’t see it being under $250
210-220 usd .
And alder lake is coming in Q3.
So is there any chance we will get 5600 before q2 ?
And alder lake has 20% IPC over willow cove (tiger lake)in singel threaded and dubble the performance in multi threading.
So if leaks come true i3 will going defeat 11600k .
And one leak suggest i3 will have 6 core.
So waiting for 5600 is not worthy .
You can buy 11400f or wait for alder lake .
Why would they nerf a 5600x and drop the price and scribble out the "X" on the box calling it a 5600....
....when they're selling every cpu they can make.
They will probably make a 4c8t Zen3 but instead of it being disabled cores its just a tiny die with incredible yields for £125 (so 62% the price) with 80% of the gaming performance, That would take care of the entry level.
@@tomstech4390 because the budget sector is massive and they could sell a lot of chips that wouldn’t hit the clocks of a 5600x? The same reason every gen has budge CPUs. What an odd question lol
@@erichall090909 they have a limited amount of tsmc wafers and CPUS they can manufacture. If they're selling everything, they will make higher margin parts.
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I would have NEVER imagined that we would one day crown Intel as the "budget king"...
Intel has been budget king, numerous times.
It's just gamers havn't bothered with non k models, untill recently.
So've they've been quite ignorant of this.
Sit down my son and let grandpa tell you about ye old Celeron 300A.
😏 We Live In Strange Times Buddy 😷
G4560 owners 4 years ago knew. Not everyone buys the most expensive cpu. When I realized I didn’t want to be paying twice as much as I did before I got a flagship cpu and gpu in electricity costs. Effectively my bill went from 500 to 1000. I got a low power machine that still could do what I wanted.
Not even the budget king, Intel is the new value king.
I was dead set on getting a Zen 3 CPU, but I'm seriously rethinking how much a 10% boost in performance is worth to me. I can get the i5+MoBo for 50$ less than the 5600x by itself.
What pc do you have now?
yeah... 5600x is not worth it for that price, might as well get a i7 11700 (which costs the same in my country) as the 5600x. More cores, better performance too.
@@edward3709 5600x is like 50 pounds too much for the amount of cores you get.
@@owningdishonestshills7435 agreed, AMD's previous ryzen CPUs were amazing in value and performance, but now AMD has become the old Intel
@@edward3709 Well I can upgrade by buying a new CPU and nothing else, so I will stick with AMD For now. If i was in the market for a new PC i would wait for the next generation of intel and zen and compare the prices.
Love the way you break down the value proposition of each processor.
"Intel is the new budget king and the 11400f is the go-to option for budget gaming"
Man, I love to hear that sentence.
I remember when Ryzen first launched and everybody was recommending Ryzen 5 for budget gaming PCs. How the tables have turned...
AMD going back to where it was.
@@nishanthadda8824 I honestly hope neither will be dominating the market. It's better for us.
@@roccociccone597 we never needed AMD from the start.Intel was just fine
@@nishanthadda8824 4 cores in an pricey i7 wasn't "fine"
@@nishanthadda8824 I think you meant "you" never needed it.
The 10400F was pretty well positioned already, so this shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone! Dunking on Intel is great, but getting good competition is better if you ask me
Good competition is fine, though companies that make bad products and can't innovate shouldn't be rewarded with sales. If you keep buying bad products, that's all you're ever going to get from that particular company.
@@dudebroguymate no one gonna buy them if they were bad.
@@donttakeitpersonalnowalrig1326 They are bad. That is 100% a fact. People only buy them because of the price and because of brand loyalty.
@@donttakeitpersonalnowalrig1326 unless when there isn't any other option, and in this case it's amd, ryzen 5000 overpriced af and still sold anywhere bc they couldn't satisfy enthusiasts high end market's demand
@@dudebroguymate you're a fool if you think the 10400f/11400f at its current prices compared to AMD and being in stock at most places shouldn't be purchased. AMD have dropped the ball in this segment.
Great video Steve, I really find the games where performance regresses on the 11th gen parts really interesting.
The apparent lack of overclocking room on the K SKUs really make justifying buying one seem pointless.
Removed the power limits of my i5 11400 and my cinebench R23 score went from 9500 too 10 047. CPU now uses 91watt instead of 65
I'm so glad you included a R5 1600. Can finally justify the right upgrade.
Some one said: "Let's face it, Intel is for poor people" and people don't get the reference HAHAHA. That shows how fast tech moves.
Crazy isn't it? No company is "too big" to fail. Wait 5 years and see what happens. The industry as a whole right now is moving at a pace it hasn't since the early 2000s.
Great news, I hope AMD returns to normality with a 5600 non x.
They won't. There will be a 5600G which is effectively the same. It's the 5600H but for desktop so includes an iGPU.
@@SaturnusDK it will only have half the cache of the 5600x though
@@emymagkuchen Apparently that doesn't seem affect performance to any significant degree. Probably due to benefits elsewhere by being a monolithic die instead of using chiplets.
the 5600X needs to be $200 tops. we need 8C/16T cpu to enter sub $300 already.
@@SaturnusDK it absolutely does affect performance. Check how badly amd laptops tank on far cry 5 even with mux switch and decent tdp gpu. It inherited some of zen2's weaknesses.
Hey Steve and Tim, are you planning making a B560 motherboards review?
They have reviewed allready
In my country aorus b560m offers best bang for buck in terms of pricing and vrm quality and features.
@@rawdez_ did you build your rig ? I am paring b560m aorus with 11400f and an rtx 3080 . Hope I don't get bottlenecked😅
@@rawdez_ then what should I do get the overpriced 5600x or 11700f both cost same in my country . The difference in gamming is not very much .
@@rawdez_ actually the b560 aorus is available for cheap here , but in the b550 lineup even the tuf gamming costs 40% more than the b560 aorus pro . Therefore a b560 aorus + 11700f will cost same as the tuf gamming or mai mid range b550 + 5600x . In that case I will take the 8 core intel .
11400F - New budget king!
Also: Suddenly out of stock everywhere 😂
bruh, 11th gen is not even available for sale in india on any websites! fuck me, now that i have seen this video i dont want to buy ryzen 5 3600 anymore haha
@@thebenson999 ya me too, before this i will to buy r5 3600 + b550m for budget build, but now i will buy 11400f + b560m cuz already support 3200mhz memory😂
Wonder, could a 11700F review be in order? Would be interesting to test that as well.
I 2nd this.
Edit: We have to see if 3700x is still the best cheap 8C/16T CPU.
Definitely
I am writing this on a 10700F CPU-based system... i'm thrilled with the performance and value of my 10700F.
Yes!
Meanwhile, I'm kinda curious about the 11500.
I just wish they would test all of the cpus, and then rate them in a graph by value and fps for your money.
Thanks for leaving the 7700k in there for reference, it really helps all of us that are still on this platform to make informed decisions. I am surprised you didn't bench with the cpu locked in to PL2, fitted with a quality aftermarket cooler. I'm sure this was the potential headline.
Where I live the difference between 10400f and 11400f is more like 40USD atleast.
Here its 70€ more
Exactly. 10400F is way cheaper and its value-for-money is amazing today.
10400f is better value with honestly
@@hoangd4132 especially now that B560 m/b supports XMP memory overclocking.
For me its only 25 dollars
5600x and 5800x are available for msrp all the time in Europe but the 5900x is hard to get and if it drops its like 650-700 euros
5600x has not been available in Sweden since launch but the 5800x is always in stock.
@@hannya29 buy it from Denmark then.
5600X is available for nearly $375+ in my country which is about the same price as the 3700X, heck even the 3800XT is only another $40.
That's why my brother is planning to go for the 4650G instead for
Even in msrp 5600x is bad value compared to this
Starts at 330+ in NL. So about 30 above msrp at least.
My Ryzen 3600 which I got for 150 EUR has an OC of 4.4Ghz all core at low voltage and runs like a champ and is equal or just 2-3% slower (depending on the test) than 11400F, not 13% slower as a stock one would be, based on this review. That being said it's funny to see intel the budget option :)
Unfortunately the 3600 is now 200-200 usd and the 5600 doesn't exist (hopefully it will because the 5600x is stupid)
@@BonusCrook I look at it like this, the X cpu's are a great deal if you can pick them up second hand a year or two after it's launch. Don't ever pay msrp for them. That way you get a great deal and you'll get a chip with better quality silicon than the non x counterparts.
Thought OCing did nothing to improve perf on Zen 3 (outside of Cinebench)
@@Amusia727 Depending on the game and your RAM speed and GPU it does scale even at higher OC if your CPU can do it. Most of the gains are in the 1% lows which for me is more important than the average, that's what makes the game smother. But like I said is per game basis, some se zero improvement others even 10% or more.
this is the only CPU from intel's 11th Gen worth buying.
The 11600k wouldn't be that bad either but unfortunately Z490/Z590 costs like double of B550 boards and the 11600k needs a much much better cooler than the 5600X so even though the cpu itself is cheaper the whole system costs a lot more....
@@kerotomas1 use B560 instead since these chip have little to none oc headroom. still need a decent cooling tho
You're forgetting lower-end CPUs like the i3 range exist
@@Amusia727 11th gen i3 is just a 10th gen refresh
@@hoangd4132 then there is literally no point in getting a K series cpu
What is your opinion about pairing this with an H510 or H570 board, now that you have 20 lanes even on these platforms? 1x x16 Gen 4 GPU and 1x x4 Gen3 M.2 SSD is all you need now. And because of the not existing MCE on these boards, you can even use the boxed cooler, put the thermal target to 95° and then it's reasonably loud. Oh and you can now also put 3200 DDR4 Ram in it.
Seems a pretty good budget deal to me but what do you think about it?
to hear intel being value is something new to my ears ;D can we also have value gpu from them that would be nice combo
@@Mopantsu hope thats true
This is such a great news, problem with 10400f was it's behind the R5 3600 by a significant margin in productivity tasks although similar in gaming. The 11400f now closes that gap and it's faster than 3600 in both cases, so AMD will be forced to release their R5 5600 at a reasonable price hopefully.
I don’t know why it’s touted as budget gaming. 5600x is twice the price for not exceptionally higher performance in gaming under real world condition (1440p high settings). I’m pairing it with freshly scored 6800xt until both amd or intel switch to new platforms and ddr5. Even at its msrp 5600x is not worth it, especially as a stopgap between new arches. I got asus b560-i and 11400f for less than 5600x by itself and will just re-use the rest of my components. Plus I expect there will be a microcode update soon.
5600X is a poorly priced product but AM4 motherboards are way cheaper than overpriced Z490 boards. I went with 10700K due to huge discounts lately but I still have to suffer through buying a Z490 which is basically twice the price of a B450 Tomahawk Max for Zen processors.
@@Yuri_Yslin z series are indeed. But quality b560 boards are cheap. Let’s be honest, OC for real life tasks is dead on both platforms. So there’s no need for k processors when you can get 11400/11700(f) and b560 board and enjoy same performance in games and apps as more expensive 11600k/11700k counterparts.
@@flaviusseverus8507 Agreed, 11400F and B560 seems to be a great combo, OC is pretty much dead anyway. I couldn't pass on 10700K that is was 20% cheaper than R5600X, though :) fortunately Asus Z490 Prime is cheap in Europe. Cheaper than in the US, despite that we actually pay VAT. That itself almost never happens, but for some reason that's how it is.
A week ago all tech youtubers and their titles: DON"T BUY 11th gen intel cpus. Also UA-camrs: BUY THEM RIGHT NOW...smh
No one said that. You're thinking of reviews of like *specifically* the 11900K and 11700K, I think. I agree the titles of these reviews in general tend to be a bit overly clickbait in a way that makes people miss the point though. Already on Reddit there's people *absolutely convinced* that Rocket Lake is straight-up slower than Comet Lake at everything 100% of the time, which is obviously very far from true.
B560 is now looking a nice buy.
This said I'd still wonder to go AM4 nevertheless with a R5 3600/B550 now and then get say a 5800x or more should you want/need it. I mean AM4 has more "potential" upgrade path, with lga 1200 you are basically left with the lackluster 11700k (won't even bother for the 11900k) or "regress" to a 10850k or 10900/10700 if you need more cores.
The above is useless if there's no means to get anything else, a 11400/11500/B560, are now the go to budget option.
Intel being the budget option is unironically a compliment.
Especially in my region that an Intel 11400F sells for 180$ while AMD Ryzen 5 5600X sells for 400$.
I bought the 10400f last year it was a great purchase great to see 11400f is just a straight up improvement
Its not for gaming. Barely any difference, and the stock cooler being so hot & loud means it actually costs a fair bit more vs 10400F + stock cooler since u gotta buy a decent cooler for the 11th gen.
Not in everything - it was slower than the 10400F in F1 and Star Wars Squadrons.
@@SilverforceX intel stock cooler is enough for the 10400 and 11400. Don't know what you are talking about.
@@bigweeweehaver HUB just said it ran hot & loud on the stock cooler, even at 65W forced.
@@bigweeweehaver Fine if you never want the 11400F to reach and maintain full turboboost speed, it will throttle and slow down with a stock cooler... will it run with a stock cooler? YES... will it throttle and never stay at max turboboost speed with a stock cooler? DEFINITELY.
The only reason I wouldn't go down this route is because the upgrade path would be better on AM4 right?
yeap, some MB support the 2000-3000-5000 series so you might end up with the last series :3
Oh there's plenty of other reasons not to buy intel.
Please test all AM4 coolers (Athlon cooler, Wraith Original, Wraith Max, Wraith Prism, the Copper Spire, non-copper Spire, Stealth) and the new Intel stock cooler and the old one.
These things are more fun to me than CPUs/ GPUs this day.
Apparently u can’t mount them with the same CPU
@@heickelrrx You can in one motherboard. HU tested it on youtube with Stealth vs bad Intel coolers.
@@CharcharoExplorer still it's a bit unfair tho
and Intel cooler are designed to meet intel base clock and considering their CPU Die size, and IHS implementation
AMD cooler is the same, they designed for AMD chip with their Die Shape and IHS implementation
both solution are targeted to meet standard of their own platform,
@@heickelrrx That is fair, the concave shape will be different on both. But then there is no way to truly compare them?
We know for sure that the Spire and Prism and Max and Original Wraith are 100% superior to the stock Intel cooler. That is certain. But the real battle is Stealth vs Intel's stock cooler.
Linus was talking about doing a video like this on WAN show yesterday.
I couldn't help but laugh when I saw your video pop up on my feed.
Well Linus also the idea of doing a kid video, and having a kid, from Jay... obviously.
I mean even GN has done a vid on it
Linus's coverage of new CPU releases is consistently kind of bad though. He's not really the kind of channel I take too seriously for this sort of thing.
@@ShogoKawada123 Linus is the gateway drug into other tech channels that go deeper and slower into content. Sometimes I even skip his content for weeks at a time even though it’s relevant. Unless it’s by Anthony
Which timeline am I in? Intel is recommended as a budget brand.
And AMD as the performance leader.
@Baba Gandu nah. It's not.
@@rawdez_ it's not in stock is it? Also, the general stability of Intel's latest platform, I'd say, for at least a 200 dollar processor, Intel is worth it.
4560 was the budget brand a few years ago, i guess they take turns
Fantastic review! Unbiased, accurate and relatively complete review! I have purchased this CPU recently as well. I would like to repeat two essential things Steve talked about here and their other videos. 1) You need a decent motherboard such as MSI B560 Tomahawk or Gigabyte B560 Aorus Pro. 2) You also need a decent cooler to run cool and quiet. I believe a minimum USD $50, 150W TDP cooler is highly recommended. (The stock cooler is a complete junk and it should never be included in the box. Silly Intel.)
Once you factor motherboard and cooling, I'd say the best budget option remains the Ryzen 5 3600. But it is close enough and good for Intel fans to have nice performance/price option anyways.
that’s what most here semn to forget, also the fact that you can upgrade once you have the moeny :3
the 3600 is hot as hell with the stock cooler too and you don't need an expensive mobo for the 11400, the asrock b560m pro 4 is 100$ and good enough for it.
@@asdolin42 the stock cooler with the 3600 is much better than the stock Intel cooler and the Ryzen 3600 runs cooler so you won't be thermal throttled. If you spend $20 on both CPU for a new cooler then Ryzen 3600 can easily handle 4.3+ ghz and be faster and even still cooler
@@nfineon not even close, the 3600 doesn't come close to the 11400 with a small overclock like that, even on gamer nexus review that used the 11400 at 65w, the 3600 was much slower in games lmao
Hopefully, this will either mean AMD reducing the price of 5600X or introducing the much anticipated, cheaper non-X version of the said CPU. :)
They'll probably be a non x version and a 5500x
It won't since AMD processors have been selling at higher prices without any problems
@@pyramidschemer4083 Well, up until now, they didn't have any competition in Intel. If they sense potential buyers will switch to Intel now, they might lower the prices to stay competitive.
I bought a prebuilt with one of these and 3060ti for €1400 because I was so desperate for a new GPU
yeah i did the same but with a 5600x + 3060ti. There was no other way of getting a rtx 3000 card 😂
New ram,new gpu,new motherboard and new cpu
What would be an interesting question is wether to go with a Z490 OR a B560 motherboard. Both go around the same price, atleast here in Europe, and are VERY similar feature wise, since many board partners included PCI-E Gen 4 support into their boards, and not just for their premium products either. Let's just take a look at MSIs' Tomahawks, nearly the same price, and while you loose some next gen USB support, you also get a chunky VRM and an additional PCI-E x1 for those who need more. We'll ignore CPU OC for the 11400(f), but there is some argument to be had about this, especially once last gen sales start.
Somehow I managed to sell my b250 mobo/i5 7600 for 150 euros and get the 10400f/b460 tuf plus mobo for 250 euros. Never expected to go back to Intel for budget cpu/mobo combos..
15:38 this feels like using Userbenchmark words against them lol
Great review!
Pretty sure 11400F will get more expensive because this review will make a demand
One thing Intel is still definitely good at is controlling its supply line.
@S Malmoe Yeah, only us hyper geeks watch this channel. And Intel doesn't want this to increase in price and look like a budget 11600k, even though that's exactly what it is.
Never regret of buying this i5 11400, release the power limit up to 125W using asrock b560 pro motherboard + cooler gammax 300, I've got almost 10k score in cinebench r23 with 75C temperature 😍😍
Makes no sense to release power limit of this CPU. Hardly any difference maybe only 2%.... Check benchmarks. Put mine back to 65w
@@tmifb9926 it makes significant difference when i did video converting or any kind of data processing with miximized TDP up to 120 watts with better cooler (i'm using gammax 400s).
With max temperature 65 C.
If someone use standard cooler, it will throttle and can reach >95 C 😅
I had this on the radar when looking at the price and potential performance. Bought it as soon as Gamers Nexus reviewed it and this just solidifies that it’s the best value SKU in the lineup. Upgrading from an i7-6700 to the i5-11400 is a MASSIVE performance increase, and I’m only running 2400MHz RAM atm.
This is funny I pulled the trigger on a 11400f yesterday
Same bro I paired it with a gtx 1660 super can you over clock this?
@@gruesomely2760 The graphics card? Yeah. The CPU? No, but that wouldn't really be useful anyways.
@@ShogoKawada123 okay I was wondering about the cpu so it would be beneficial to overclock the graphics card?
@@gruesomely2760 GPU OC is beneficial to some extent, yeah, but not *necessary* by any means, particularly if you're not actually overly familiar with how to do it. Overall I think you'll be very happy with your 11400F and 1660 Super at stock speeds, regardless. Just don't forget to enable the XMP profile for your RAM in your motherboard's BIOS, otherwise it'll run at some terrible default speed of 2133 MHz or whatever.
@@ShogoKawada123 thanks so much for informing me I appreciate it.
I still think the 10400f is the better budget option, but those probably have limited stock. If they're not available anymore 11400f looks like a great option.
Still in stock at the moment... I don't know if Comet Lake CPUs will start to vanish or not, but I have three of them in my house... one 10700F and two 10400F systems.
@@NovaDoll Oh yes, the cute and hip reply that makes you think you're so cool... I suppose if you're an AMD shill you would think that, or hope that, but why? You want AMD to be the only company that sells CPUs? That would put them in... what's that called... oh yeah... let's say it together... "A MONOPOLY"... you know what happens with monopoly's with no competition... that's right kids, they inflate prices all they want... something AMD is already starting to do... since they have the fastest CPUs, guess what... they've been jacking up the Ryzen 9 prices for Zen 3 over any prior Ryzen series. I suppose you applaud AMD for having the guts to raise prices when they think they're the only game in town.
You do realize of course you sound like an idiot when you make blanket statements like "nobody is buying Intel"... which of course is absurdly false... why even Hardware Unboxed, a champion of AMD, has admitted that Intel Core i5 series chips are the only game in town for Budget builds... but of course someone has cool and hip as you wouldn't recognize that, because "nobody is buying Intel"... whoah, that's such a fly statement... go on championing AMD as a monopoly, that's obviously what you want... good luck with that, and maybe get an education before you make stupid statements like nobody is buying Intel... it might be popular with the 12 year old AMD fanbois in chat, but it's an asinine thing to say.
@@NovaDoll Well maybe if AMD shipped half as many CPUs as Intel did, you wouldn't have a stock problem... just one more problem with AMD... they ship a fraction of what Intel ships, so you are comparing apples with oranges. I guess you're just going to completely ignore all the tech channels now endorsing the i5 series as the best budget option... De-Nile ain't just another river in Egypt.
@@NovaDoll Just checked right now. The 11400f is currently out of stock at most central European online retailers, including here in Germany. Either it had low stock or people actually recognized it's one of the better budget options right now. 10400f is still in stock though, so I basically got it backwards.
1:30 why would you pair the 10400f with a Z490? pairing it with the H410 for about 70$ is the true value option here... most budget builders wont ever need anything more than 2 ram slots , one gpu slot , and one nvme slot and thats it... if you need more features you are probably a power user and if you are , what the hell are you doing buying an i5 ?
Really tempted to buy this one, video release 6 months ago but 11400f is just available in our country this month. What a back alley country.
well since the 10400f is already a good value product I guess this is to be expected
Please add mount and blade bannerlord to your cpu benchmarks. That game loves cores and DannyzReviews got in his 5900x review very shocking results with 1000 soldier battles compared to 3900x, 3800xt and 3600! That game is to go for cpu gaming benchmarks!
I wanted to get this processor, but couldn't find it in stock anywhere. Hence, I went with i5 11500 which has a iGPU and slightly higher clock speeds. I'm pairing this with a Gigabyte B560 motherboard.
Great video, having built two i5-10400F builds I was rooting for the i5-11400F and I wasn't disappointed.
Any chance or news that a bios update will unlock ram xmp profiles on B460 motherboards to help the i5-10400F ?
I really like this channel's reviews
In some places you'd pay almost twice as much for the Ryzen 5 5600X so this one seems like a great alternative.
Not so much if you consider the total system cost which you should because absolutely no one will buy the 11400F without also buying at least a new MB. A B560 is typically $30-$50 more expensive than the exact same B550 version. Add a $20 cooler that is needed for an 11400F but not for a 5600X and all the extra parts you need for a full set up that you might not have already, like case, PSU, SSD, etc and the price to performance advantage tips in the 5600X favour.
@@SaturnusDK not sure how $50 extra makes the 5600x come out ahead on price to performance. It’s still $70 more expensive. It def brings it closer tho
@@erichall090909 You have to look at total system cost. The ones that might buy an 11400F are most likely to buy a full system and have none or very few usable parts on hand. If they had, they're more likely to be looking at more premium options. And as soon as you add a graphics cards to the mix the price difference of the CPU is more or less irrelevant.
@@SaturnusDK fair point
@@SaturnusDK lmao the 5600x needs a cooler too, the stock one is garbage and for a locked cpu a 100$ b560 mobo is more than enough, so b560 + 11400f + 20$ cooler is cheaper than the 5600x...
As I am on the AM4 platform, it only makes sense to upgrade for the 5600X.
Luckily for AMD, they decided to support Zen3 on B450, otherwise I would have changed for Intel.
i have a i5-11400F paired with a RTX 3050. .. scored 9550 on cinebench r23. was able to extend the stock boost window from 15 seconds to 128. this net an uplift of nearly 2k points in cinebench r23, up from 7780 points
I've been looking forward to this.
My powers are doubled since the last time we met, count.
Get one i5 11400f with a B 560 motherboard, then just slip in a good GPU when they become available and call me in 2023.
It also backs up intel's claims of ipc uplift. This should have been one of the cpus that intel really advertised instead of the 11900k.
Considering that the 3090 uses the CPU for GPU scheduling it would be interesting to see how this works with an AMD 6800.
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The efficiency is worse than 10th gen actually. I wouldn't spend extra on beefier mobo and cooling. i5-10400F is still better IMO but knowing Intel, it will be EOLed soon.
But I mean, why do we care of it gets EOL or not? Most BIOs updates esp on Intel are not known to improve performance by much anyways.
Mobo wise b560 are so cheap who cares if it doesn't have upgradebility. Plus the 10700k 10850k etc are good updates even when ran on stock.
Plus AMD side also at EOL
@@ZDY66666 good point, that's why you shouldn't buy Intel *AND* AMD right now, buying a platform at EOL simply deny you 90% of the choice you have.
AM4 lasted 4 generations, AM5 is right round the corner; while Intel's next socket is also said to last longer. Yeah...
Besides, "AMD side also EOL" isn't the full picture is it? One platform goes up to a 16core Zen 3 chip and has all the latest features, another goes up to a 10 core Sky Lake.
The 10400F is only better if you care about efficiency more than "overall performance in everything"...
@@humanbeing9079 On the other hand, I don’t think it’s a good idea to wait for the next gen considering that there’s rumors of DDR5 just around the corner, and it sucks to be an early adopter since pricing will definitely be steeper when it comes to new tech.
If I were upgrading, I’ll wait for the 2nd gen and wait until everything pans out.
It wasn't that long ago the same was being said about AMD FX processors. Competition is a good thing. :)
The i5 11400f is a great budget cpu I matched it with an MSI z590 MB running a RTX 3060ti & 16GB ram. Runs anything I thrown at it only thing I will say do NOT use the supplied cooler, best get a tower one. As it will hit very high temperatures with the stock fan.
I just checked and the prize of the i5-11400F is 141€ in my country which is a no brainer.
@Challenger Free why tho, 10400f is chill af
@Challenger Free oof, misread 10400f, ye, 11400f is hot BUT, the new stock cooler got a copper chamber, so i would not give up on it until trying. Intel has less temp spikes and it's very efficient at gaming as well
@Challenger Free i assume you tried it right? If its so that unfortunate. I have tried 10400f with a stock cooler(which is a lot worse than the new one) and does fine. (have not watched the video tho)
@Challenger Free now that i seen it(went straight to the comments), now i see were you got 100C from, but, under what conditions it reached 100C tho? They should test it with different thermal paste and give it enough airflow, and specify those things
@Challenger Free but, i mean, did it reach 100C in heavy loads or gaming? My 3300x reached 95C on prime95 for example, but wasn't as bad in gaming
The 11400 does seem to be a good budget option. Regarding 16:50 - 5600X and 5800X's are now freely available and seem to be permanently in stock in Australia. Though they're not budget CPU's, the Zen 3 stock issues are slowly resolving.
The 5600x is 300$ and the 5800x is 400$ plus.... kinda sad amd still haven't dropped the price below 300$ for the 5600x... the 10700k already competes with it for 250$.....
Worth noting that 11400 only gains edge on older Ryzen 5 3600 with unlocked power limit. Within the power limit they're on par. Which means you need a B560 motherboard to take advantage of it, which are significantly more expensive than B450 motherboards - and on top of that you need to pay for a better cooler. Sure, you get more features on a more recent chipset, but let's not pretend PCIe 4.0 is anywhere near being significant for gaming at the moment. If you're on a lower budget, you don't really care about extra motherboard features and then Ryzen 3600 is still a viable option. Of course at this point it's actually worth it to pay extra for that B560 board, even lower-end (and better cooler), but let's not forget that it's only the case because Intel unlocked memory overclocking on lower-than-Z chipsets. That's the true gamechanger here, not the actual CPU. Intel mid-range CPUs were always competitive on their own, but held back by aribtrarily limited boards for budget builds, which gave AMD the decisive edge there.
Great video! My take away here is this: if you are using an older system, say a couple of generations back in intel land or perhaps 2000 series AMD, then you will find this to be a nice step up - if you can find a reasonable GPU to pair with it. Intel is sort of the value leader right now mostly because they are using older technology / processes and as such, can deliver a large number of parts at reasonable prices. Sucks to be them, though, as the lack of GPUs means that the market will be artificially depressed until such time as we can all build full systems again.
Exactly the content I was waiting for :D
The real real real value option (for gamers only) is the 10400f. It's only like $140 USD equivalent in many areas. Pair it with a b560 and 3200mhz ram. You got yourself a R5 3600 equivalent build for quite a bit less
You make it sound much cheaper than the 11400F though, but it's not. The 11400F is $159.99 on Newegg. The new stuff is the way to go.
@@ShogoKawada123 yea but newegg isn't the only outlet that exists. I bought mine at $140 on the dot and paired with Marvel's Avengers game. Not that I'd play that game.
So would it be a good idea to pair it with an H510 board? And if you go for that or a cheaper B560 board can you unlock the tdp limitations?
Can you do a review on the i7-11700K? Really disappointed it wasn't in a single chart...
Oh how the turn tables
I was literally about to write this exact comments. You beat me..
already happen for a good while since comet lake, it's just enthusiast community give no shit about budget users and worshipping a $300 6 core
10400f - great value
11400f - worthy successor
11400f - less performance lmao
@@butifarras Except, no, overall? Not even close. How was that your takeaway from the review?
The 11400f is tolerable but really not an upgrade for gaming compared to the older part. If they were the same price that would be fine as nothing changes but with the price increase it seems kinda meh. It seems like a sidegrade.
@@odizzido They *are* the same price, technically. The "per 1000" recommendation on them both is $157. People always compare brand-new chips to older chips that have been specifically reduced in price since launch, and this just doesn't make sense. The new stuff will *never* launch at the reduced price of the older parts.
@@ShogoKawada123 oh okay. I didn't know they had the same price. Maybe my brain was stuck on the 11900K? Thanks for correcting me :)
Selected on one of German site - the cheapest versions of MB (B-chipset in both cases: Intel with only RAM OCing, AMD - with RAM and CPU OCing) with radiator on VRM-zone and 4 slots for RAM; and box-versions of CPUs:
11400F + ASRock B560 PRO4: 166,05 € + 96,84 € = 262,89. 100%.
10400F + ASRock B460M PRO4: 121,33 € + 75,08 € = 196,41. 74,7%.
Ryzen5 3600 + GIGABYTE B450M DS3H V2: 167,50 € + 54,35 € = 221,85. 84,4%.
The best (lower is better): 10400F + ASRock B460M PRO4.
12:21 11400F: 170fps. 100%.
10400F: 166fps. 97,6%.
Ryzen5 3600: 151fps. 88,8%.
The best (higher is better): 11400F.
Ratio of "Average fps of 10 games with RTX3090 / price (CPU + MB)":
11400F: 0,647 (170/262,89). 76,6%.
10400F: 0,845 (166/196,41). 100%.
Ryzen5 3600: 0,681 (151/221,85). 80,6%.
The best (higher is better): 10400F.
Crazy watching this now, I just bought an i5 11400f and an ASRock z590c/ac for only 203$
I'm sticking with Ryzen because I always use ECC memory. My latest build is R5-3600 with two sticks of Kingston KSM32ES8/16ME.
Nice. Though, does the b550 e gaming motherboard support ecc? I've been wanting to get ecc for a while.
@@raawesome3851 ECC support varies mostly by motherboard manufacturers. AsRock has been very good to me. If you really want to be sure, you can use AsRockRack boards. I have PRO-2200GE, 2700X, 2700X (yes another one), PRO-4650G, and 3600 systems using various AsRock m-ITX X470/B450/B550/A520 boards, every single one with ECC UDIMMs. I figured out it's best to order directly from Kingston (.com) because even Crucial stopped selling EUDIMMs directly.
Such a chill intro arn’t I right
Hi Steve. Stiven here :D. I hope you answer my dilemma. I have i5 4460, 8gb ddr3, GTX 1080 OC 8gb, 550w PSU, 32' 1440p Phillips monitor.
I wanted to go with R5 5600x this build but AMD is not serious with this price at the moment which is 330€ here in EU. I asked Tech deals, and he recommended me i7 10700k 8c/16t which is circa 290-300€ here. Now my question is, which processor and mobo do you recommend for gaming(and will 6 cores be enough for gaming in the next 4-5 yrs). I dont game that much any more due to time constraint. Money is not issue, but I would like to get the most bang for the buck. I intend to buy a NVMe M.2 1TB PCIe 4.0x(currently i have 2'5 480GB Crucial SSD and 1TB 7.2k HDD and intend to put them in a new build), 32GB ddr4 3200, mid range mobo and a CPU. I would really appreciate your answer(mobo, CPU, DIMM.etc).
BTW I love this channel one of the best on YT.
Keep up the great work. Cheers.
Where do you guys mention RAM used? What speed, what timings, what specific kit, what "gear" was used??? Good video but huge flaw there.
Finally someone tests the 11400F against its predecessor, thank you!!
3700x still the all round good performer
yes 3700X still great cpu
For productivity- Yes
For gaming- No (as there are better options available)
@@rahuloberoi9739 For gaming, 3700X are great ...
In addition, the RTX 3080/3090 are very expensive in price. 20% + or -, it is rarely noticeable when we play ... especially if we limit ourselves to 144 fps
@@tenseur2 5600x is a much better option for gaming.
@@rahuloberoi9739 In the future, no. In future 5600X = 3700X
Hopefully intel will see these reviews and realise how much of a difference simply pricing competitively actually helps them.
Please help!!! Bought Gigabyte Z590 Gaming X motherboard with i7 10700F and.......i cant set XMP (3200mhz), i cant OC RAM manually higher than 2933mhz (supported by Intel speed)! Why? This is "Z" chipset, newest BIOS! Mby some bios bug from Gigabyte? Please, tell that info to them 😔! This is 50+ build in my life, but 1st time i experience problem like that ☠!
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Damn there isn't a 1st comment. I'm proud
I had really been wondering of I should go for this or maybe an ryzen 3600. But thanks for providing clarity. Bonus for my old Noctua being directly comparable
Great, informative video... What would you prefer for 1440p60 and some light productivity/coding applications? 10400F or 11400F? 10400F is currently 50 Euros cheaper in my area..
Ayyyyy, Intel wins a category for a change 🤣🤣🤣
Dumb question, I'm sure but do you need to pair a k series cpu with a z series mobo to run the advertised clock speeds or will you get the advertised clock speeds even on a b560 mobo (in other words no cpu overclocking needed to run advertised clock speeds?)
Finally a reviewer talking about an actual value monster cpu , ty hardware unboxed , i was gonna say unavailable but this CPU is in stock at release...can u believe that ?
1:35 10th gen CPUs like the i5 10400f still work with memory overcloxkimg on b560 motherboards, so you don't need a z490 or z590.
2:42
There is a tomahawk Z490. Yea, you need to update the bios in order to use the I5 11400F, but it has very comparable features to the B560, minus wifi. It's also a lot cheaper, I managed to snatch it for as little as 100 dollars because of a sale.
The Z490 also supports RAID, so you can easily create data backup for your HDDs (if you still use them) if one should ever fail.
In the last decade, I've gone from a 2500k to an 8400, and will now get the 11400f. To me, Intel has always had a great price to performance option. If the 5600x was more reasonably priced, I would have snapped it up in a heartbeat.
My first build was a Pentium 120 ( Yeah, I'm old ) and soon upgraded to a 233MMX. I discovered then that the latest and greatest 'halo' parts don't really justify their expense.
I want AMD and Intel to continue to be competitive, as it benefits us, the enthusiasts, and the market as a whole.
Honestly at least where I live 10400F is more VFM because it is 60 euros cheaper and 10400F is about 120-130 euros so to go from 10400F to 11400F you need to pay an extra 40-50% in price to gain a 2-5% increase in gaming performance. In my region it isn't worth it. Maybe when the price drops to 20 euros difference it will be worth it.
11400F more like platform update, with PCIe 4.0
Can you add benchmark results with Intel power limits at 65w. Many will pair this with a budget board with limited power limit options.
is their a Realtek chip shortage? i've noticed that MSI and GIGABYTE have downgraded the Audio Chipsets from ALC1200 to ALC892/897 on B560 equivelents to B460
Great video! could use some help here.
I have the 10th gen 10400F and just recently upgraded to a 3070 FE :)
I have to say that I didnt expect a cpu bottleneck like im having! do you really think that the margin between the 11gen 11400F that you showed here is so big? how come?
I am playing 1080P for now with a 144Hz monitor, and sure the easy move will be upgrading to a 2K monitor but I want to have that extremely high refresh rate at games like Warzone, and for now im barely getting an higher FPS than my previous 1660S gave me.
I just dont know what will be my optimal next upgrade - 10th gen 10600KF, maybe my RAM and my MB are not good enough... Id like your opinion.
Full specs:
3070 FE
10400F with an Antec A400 Aircooling
B460 M-A Asus Prime Motherboard
2x8 HyperX Predator 2933Mhz CL15
EVGA GA PSU 750W Gold+
Thanks!
I wanted to see the results in 1440p...so tks for the video anyway , plz remember to test us 2k resolution...😁😁😁
Are you guys having stock issues still in New Zealand? 5600x been in stock in the US for a little while now. That being said it’s hard to beat the 11400f for $170. Crazy how much intel has had to slash prices just to get people to buy their CPUs. Good for everyone!