@@aaronimp4966 As it stands, I think ranger is best when your DM has a themed campaign, maybe where most of it will be in similar terrain with your favored enemy being a recurring trope in the theme. Still, this idea is great. Ranger definitely feels lackluster unless you already know what you're playing into.
This should be something they can do right from the get go. The higher level modification should be how many they can have going at once. Especially after they get magic, this just makes sense. You get teleported to the desert, no one knows what's going on. The Ranger communes with the land, and learns what lives there, and decides what will be a threat. When they awaken from their trance, they can lead you through it as though they have lived there their whole lives. This is what makes them a Ranger, and not a woodsman or whatever.
Barbarian: you have my axe Fighter: and my sword Cleric: and my blessings Ranger: and my bow but only on every 2nd Tuesday of the first month of the season while in a birch forest against ork zombies.
I use a great sword 2d6 is better then a 1d12. Play as a large creature 1d4+2d6 barbarian with a shield. DM: Reads roles, writes stuff down, I'll allow it. Me: Fights barbarian orks doing the same thing as me. Me: That makes sense that adds up
It's really funny to me that the class based around exploration is most optimized to never go out exploring past their comfort zone Edit: some of you have surprisingly strong feelings about this and yet no one has mentioned that terrain doesn't actually make or break anything combat or damage wise. Expertise on Intelligence and Wisdom checks about the terrain and tracking gives you exact numbers and sizes of creatures, the rest is a lot of travel and foraging perks but I'm sure most DMs skip travel and food mechanics because they are BORING (how good for a story would it be if you got lost on your way somewhere or got food poisoning?). It literally is "I'm an expert o long as we don't stop being in a forest" all that hunting sense goes away the second the soil changes. You go from a forest to a grassland and can no longer track down creatures, it's a really funny shut down of abilities roleplay wise. "Hey, guys, can we go back to the forest? I'm really cool there" Some of y'all are acting like I'm attacking ranger or that I don't know how to play it and have fully missed the point of what terrain does. Folks, if I WANTED to drag Ranger I would bring up Primeval Awareness
@@thomascook3336 I did and here's what you get: 3 whole favoured terrains. Thank god there's only three in the whole game right? also for Tasha's: you get 1 expertise and 2 languages, meaning you could've just go rogue and get twice as much. 5 extra feet of movement and two new movement speeds, which is genuinely useful. D8+Wis temp hp 4 to 6 times per day. Which is a nice bonus, but it would sure sting if there was a class that has an aoe version of this, with no daily limit, that they get at 3rd level. Tasha's did help, but just like with their one dnd redesign (at least the original one), I am sad that the way people try to fix ranger is by no longer making them focus on the outdoors.
@@Nuggette maybe they should get an ability that changes or adds favoured terrain based on where they are on a long rest (e.g The Ranger spends time learning the local terrain, forgoing the benefits of a long rest to add terrain as favoured).
@@CastellanMaben yeah those kinds of buffs is something I would love to see. Like make them good in any terrain but make them busted in their favoured terrain. Something like Favoured Foe is really nice, but I would also like to see them get rewarded for gaining knowledge about monsters, kind of like Thaumaturge from pf2e. I feel like there can be a fun niche for a ranger, that isn't just "Bow guy that sometimes casts hunter's mark"
Not true, paladins are only bound to their oath. The oath is what gives them Power, doesn't Matter what kind of oath, they can even Break their oath and gain Powers originating from the darkness.
@@yannickoepcke1568 Oi mate. My reference is 1st, 2nd, and 3.5 Edition D&D. Paladins are Lawful Good and they fight against Evil. End of story. If you are using the moral relativism of 5th Edition, then politely shove your head into the book of Deuteronomy and don't resurface until you understand all that is lawful, good, and righteous. And if there is no truth in you, they away with thee, man of lawlessness.
@@cnnr_ No, we did see it. In the Hawkeye series (very much not worth watching), he has a variety of arrows. The big one was a Pym arrow, which he used to drastically increase or reduce the size of the things he hit with it.
The thing about a Hawkeye is that he's not supposed to be overpowered, he's supposed to be tactical. Hawkeye is insane the fact that he's immortal guy being able to keep up. Nobody goes with a black widow saying that she's just a girl who shoots guns. He was taken out aliens that were invading Earth with explosive bows and arrows without even looking.
Don't forget that at level 10, rangers get the impressive ability to camouflage themselves, if they have naturally occurring materials to hide themselves with AND have a tree or wall to press themselves against, by spending a full minute and then staying completely still, taking no movement or actions. This gives a +10 to stealth checks! Meanwhile, Pass Without Trace is a 2nd level spell that gives +10 stealth to your whole party, allows them to move, and is accessible to rangers as early as 5th level.
Capstone features are so balanced in 5e Barbarian: literally break the rules of the world with how buff you are Cleric: have god on speed dial who would always answer your call and do a favour Ranger: you get to add up to a +5 to your attack or damage, but only against your favoured enemy, and also only once a turn, let's not get too crazy now
Fighter: Unleash your inner anime. Rogue: Offset your bad luck JUUUUST a smidge more. Artificer: Become the master of magic item hoarding, and reliably have Relentless Rage activate 6 times provided the enemy doesn't hit you more than they already have. Bard: Become the master of Rock & Roll in addition to copyright infringement(they stole spells from other classes earlier.). Oh, and have infinite bardic inspiration provided you keep entering combat I guess. Sorcerer: Gain at the MOST a 4th level spell slot back, because no, you need to sleep more than your average wizard since you're a one-trick pony that spends spells like a spoiled brat not knowing how to use money. Paladin: A N I M E Warlock: Gain one extra short rest that doesn't count towards your normal amount of short rests. Druid: Magical Furry incarnate. Monk: Never truly run out of ki points, and basically be invisible at all times.
@@Kronosaurus-1924 that's a pretty misleading way to word hitting a 10ft radius sphere for weapon damage. It's alright, aoe is always helpful and martials are bad at it, but it's not as powerful as hitting 16 times a turn
@@Kronosaurus-1924 no I mean, having 16 attacks a turn and hitting 16 enemies is different, unless each attack is getting a kill or softening up the enemy for your ally aoe to get kills, the 16 attacks is significantly stronger since you can focus fire
I haven't built a single Dexterity Ranger since I got Tasha's. 🤣 They're all Wisdom Rangers, and they're all a blast. I'm playing one right now who is a Halfling Beast Master with the Primal Companion option, which she rides in battle. It's bonkers. I can charge up to 40 feet, use my Bonus Action to have my Primal Companion attack, dealing 1d8+4 + 1d6, after which they have to make a Strength save or be knocked Prone, after which point either I can attack if I have Shillelagh up, or I can use my Attack action to command my Primal Companion to attack again.
@@PhenicxI got a Str based Swarm keeper who's Wielding a Meteor Hammer (light Hammer but it has a Rope attached) with the Crusher and Piercer Feat it's pretty Fun
@@WolfHreda i notice how in every dnd video everyone (including myself) always has the strong urge to just randomly bring up their own characters or stories from campaigns. its an interesting insight into the human condition.
Rangers: I just... I wish there was something more. Tasha: _Reaches down her hand_ Take two more good subclasses, a new fighting style, and replacements for your niche base options. Go. Prosper. Rangers: 🥺 Thank you, Mommy.
@@username172 Tasha's was ridiculously good to Bards too. Two nearly busted subclasses, some additional spells to choose from, and the ability to add a Bardic Inspiration to healing or damage spells' rolls.
@@Chokah that's actually a pretty neat change. I would add on to that by letting the ranger player pick a specific creature type within that grouping, and the player gaining double the bonuses granted by the general grouping.
@@teerex1314 Well his argument was "Humans,Elves,Dwarves,Orcs, etc. all have the same parts in roughly the same place and move the same way, unless you're making race-specific poisons like a Witcher, it doesn't make sense to specialize ONLY in Elves when the same thing will kill a Human or a Halfling. Same for most four-legged animals."
@@Chokah Even more to the point: Humans, Elves, Dwarves and Orcs are able to create live fertile offspring. They MUST have the exact same internal anatomy.
@@thewaveofepic Yeah, Gloom Stalker is sort of the subject of my comment and I said what I did with a bit if sarcasm but my first campaign, I played a Horizon Walker and it was so damn fun. Kind of want to play that one again some time but I'm now the forever DM for my group so I don't get a lot of chances.
@@beesmchuman8588 Guess you get to amp up the fights and include an NPC matching the players' level with the race/class/background you've always wanted to test out.
Warlock at every level: Guys I’m so sorry I’m out of spell slots can we take an hour short rest? Warlock at level 20: Give me like 1 minute and I’ll be good.
I think the coolest way to help Rangers while still keeping the feeling of "guy with bow" would be for them to get ammunition and bow upgrades as they level. Like "you can now use explosive arrows without dying" or "you can now aim ethereal arrows", though it'd be up to the DM to make sure they get some
Only at low levels and against non-casters. yeah. Cause at high level, it really doesnt matter if the ranger would be Solid Snake & James Bond fusion, cause all a caster has to do, is to say " i wish that ranger was an earth worm "
@@JohnnyGoble-oi8ie I mean i cannot even fathom a situation where a ranger would be better than a caster. A horde of 20 goblins running at you ? -Ranger can shoot twice, or use a spell to kill maybe 5, 10 at best if they group up just right. -Wizard will fry all those goblins, and the other 20 that were hiding in a small forest 100ft away with Meteor Shower. There is a patrol of enemies coming, and you need to hide quick. -Ranger can try to use Pass without Trace to increase their stealth check, which might still fail cause the paladin has plate mail and thus gets dis adv on the check -Wizard or Sorcerer will just upcast invisibility on the party, no checks required to stay hidden. By some unknown reason, the party has been thrown in a foreing jungle. -Ranger can only weep cause his favourite terrain is forest and snow mountains, so he can roll survival checks to maybe being able to point North -Wizard will cast either Teleport, to just get back where ever you want to. Fly, to just go over the tree tops to take a look whats around them. Or just Wish that the party would be back home.. Please im actually curious, can you give me a single example where a ranger would be better than a caster ?
Every class is scary with a tactical player behind them, doing so with a Ranger is just the D&D equivalent of playing a Souls game that somehow has a Nightmare difficulty mode.
@@Nemissis4265 ya fight a monster slayer ranger and a wizard. You wont have a good time. All the saving throw spells are out of question, they can all be slayer's countered. And unless you are a nishe character who is made to counter specific things, you'r fk ed
@@aaronimp4966 monster slayer subclass get a feat called slayers counter, let him shoot the people that cast spells on him that required saving throws, if he hit...he is considered passed the save.
Ranger: "But.. that means all my choices and levels were basically for nothing." Wizard: "Absolutely not. You made the right choice of joining a party with a Wizard, and because you made it to level 20 I'm able to transform you into an adult dragon instead of a newborn wyrmling!"
Question for people who've actually played DnD: Dragons are highly intelligent creatures, correct? Would a polymorphed player retain their memories and personality? Or would they go Dragon on their team?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 It entirely depends on what creature is being turned into what. A dragon to a kobold could mess up memories during the transformation during that time if the intelligence stat changes. A ranger to a dragon could incur a personality change due to the intelligence stat increasing by a shit ton, maybe the ranger-dragon figures out that it’s been cucked by its team for a while and goes ham
I'm glad Tasha's Cauldron of Everything showed them some love. They desperately need it. They need to be multiclassed though still in order to be powerful. I like multiclassing with either fighter, rogue, or cleric. Also, always stack up on magic arrows or magic crossbow bolts. Think of them as spell slots you have to find or buy.
Its like fighting an army of robots with nothing but a bow and arrows meanwhile a giant rage-monster, a literal god, the world's best artificer, a sorceress, an ancient warrior, and an assassin is shredding through the army while youre on a floating island. It makes no sense.
Rogue, Barbarian, Fighter, and Monk: “First time, buddy? At least you have magic. We’re supposed to be ‘consistent’ but the mage usually does what we do anyway.”
@@kuratse205 debatable, especially in the early game when the difference in hitpoints is like… 4-5 HP per level, _at it’s most extreme._ Rangers and paladins have a d10 hit die, just like fighter, warlock and cleric have a d8 hit die just like rogues and monks, and for damage? Brother, you have to run multiple sessions without a long rest in order for the mages to finally run out of the resources they use to retain their utility and damage output. Will the fighter still be swinging his sword with a few more hitpoints? Maybe. But given that he’s also at the front of the pack most of the time, he’s probably also the one that _needs_ those hitpoints the most.
@@CurlyHairedRogue At the low beginning levels of 1-4, there isnt much of a power difference between all the classes. They are mostly very similar since they havent gotten to the OP stuff yet. I was talking about the super late game instead. But for resource supply, it really depends on the DM. If the campaign is super combat heavy with low amounts of long rests, or there are encounters that are difficult enough to drain all the party's resources, then a consistent low resource cost class would shine and show its true value. But for certain classes like ranger or monk, they just lack any of the resource efficiency of the martial classes, while still only having low value abilities. While its great to be able to use your abilities freely, resource management really adds another depth to the gameplay if done right.
And that's why it is essential to give ranger (and any other martial class) a magic weapon. A talking one, with a complicated story and awesome powers to make ranger a bit more magical. And scale that piece of equipment throughout whole ranger's journey.
Make the ranger a swordmage, gotcha. Now, magic weapons are good, but we can do better. How about instead, you give the player (that chose to make a character whose class features center around the ability to track, and certain enemies) favored enemies to track across favorable terrain? Playing to the character will _always_ feel better for a player than a new doodad.
I have every character make up something special at lvl1. They can have it do anything they want as long as it's minor. Could be a weapon, a spell and item ability, whatever they want. Then I give it more and more unique aspects as the level depending on how they use it. For example I had a rouge druid multiclass player. So I gave him a ghostly raven that only he could see and communicate with. Over time he gain the ability to see through its eye, have it pass through walls and by lv 16 once a day he could some a hoard of ghostly animal to torment the enemy. Make every character a bit more interesting, and since the dm controls how it improves, I can keep it balanced and they get surprises over time.
And that would only scratch the surface of martial problems. Better to give arrows magically imbued. Fire arrow against regeneration creatures, freezing arrow to create slippery terrain, anti magic arrow to ignore any effect, including protection spells, counterarrow to negate any effect traveling to its mark etc.
This is why I give my Rangers all of the benefits of Natural Explorer & Favored Terrain, regardless of where they are & who they're fighting, & give them Tasha's features in addition. Which is how it should've always been. Idk why almost everything else in Tasha's was an "optional" addition, yet the weakest class had optional replacements that made the class less flavorful & gave it less out-of-combat utility.
How? All it added was a niche ability to replace its niche ability, and the subclasses only have gimmicks that any full spellcaster can do 1000x better...
@@borderlands10Ah yes, the very niche abilities of hitting harder, walking faster, having better skills, casting better spells, being tankier and bonus action invisibility. As for the subclasses, every subclass feature in the game is weaker than Wish, doesn't make them worthless.
@@HunterTracks yes, those abilities in a game that prioritizes combat are niche... And as I said, those spells are dogshit compared to literally any other spellcaster, even the Eldritch Knight does spellcasting better than the Ranger and it's limited to a couple schools of magic. The "tanky" part is nowhere to be found with Rangers, unless you dump your stats and go full-on Con build which will yield the exact same results with any other class. And ohh boy, a bonus action to go invisible, it's totally not like there's already a fucking potion that does the exact same thing... Rangers are a joke, and always will be.
My ranger ass at level 20: and I shoot another arrow. Any questions? I thought not. Listen. Arrow go zoom. It makes my brain happy and that’s why I play Ranger.
There was a ranger in this podcast i listen to and the GM suggested undead as a second favorite enemy and it was like a all giant/dragon campain but the guy didnt read far enough to know that undead wasnt that relevent and the player still holds it against him to this day lmao
@@ExeEspe-by2ct Paladins can't deal 4d6+6 DPR for up to 10 rounds with a level 1 spell slot at level 2. Rangers can deal insane single target sustained DPR, flat lining around level 5 but staying a very relevant damage source till around level 7-9. Plus they're very relevant out of combat if your GM uses more than 6 skills in the entire game
@nyrat8165 Paladin is very much capable of dealing more with Smite Spells + Smite + Any Weapon. What are you talking about? Paladin is a much better gish than Ranger for 5e and its okay to amit it, Wizards fucked them and even tried to encourage using the additional features for Rangers.
First dnd campaign I went for drakewarden, campaign didn’t make it far but had fun. My drake companion couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn so we joked about getting him glasses.
Ranger, Rouge multiclass. Take the archery fighting style at lvl 2, to get a +2 to hit with bows. Be a Hunter Ranger and take Colossus slayer. Lvl ranger to lvl 5 to get extra attack. For spells take Cure Wounds, Hunters Mark, Ensnaring strike, Pass without a trace, and lighting arrow. Now lvl up rogue as normal, but take the Assasian subclass. Take the sharpshooter feat and the alert feat (Or whichever one gives +5 to initiative). Get like a +13 with your bow, use sharpshooter to get a -5, but do +10 damage. Use Hunters Mark to get 1d6, with collosus slayer get extra 1d8 if enemy is below half health. Have 1st initiative with the +10 you get with alert feat (I think, again). Use assassin since you have 1st attack. Get sneak attack. Also, you ignore 3/4 cover and can shoot at 600ft. without disadvantage. Now, you have a human trebuchet that can literally explode anyone in your way. And have the case haste on you to get 2 actions for 4 attacks. Youre welcome
Funny thing is that they were always pretty freaking solid when you actually consider their spell list A Level 5 Ranger has - Longstrider - Entangle - Pass Without Trace A Level 5 Fighter has - Action Surge - Second Wind The Archetypes weren't Amazing, but with spells like those, they didn't need to be. Unlike a Paladin, a Ranger wants to use their Spell Slots to...cast spells. I wouldn't even call the Ranger Front Loaded considering all the good spells they can access if they stay the course. _ _ People just looked at the Favored Enemy/Terrain, ignored all spells except Hunters Mark, and thought the ranger sucked. It would be like calling the Bard terrible because Countercharm & Song of Rest were bad, and since spamming Vicious Mockery didn't scale into high level gameplay. Heck, even the PHB Beast Master can be good in the right circumstances
@@TheGaboom I agree with a lot of what you said but I still think they're a front loaded class that's good to multiclass out of. When you compare favored enemy to countercharm I think the main difference is it's just not one feature but like 3 level up features including the capstone that relate to the shitty feature. Bards get magical secrets and are full casters. Conjure animals is great but it's a lot less impressive at level 9 than it is at level 5 and it benefits from up casting a lot but as a half caster you won't even have a fourth level slot until 13 and won't ever get 6th or higher. You could take 6 levels of ranger and then 7 levels of druid and you'd have those same spells but with 5th level slots instead of 4th. Alternatively you could take levels in rogue and fighter to boost your offensive capabilities a lot more than you will be taking more ranger.
Why do people keep praising the shitty Rogue knockoff? It literally adds nothing that a full caster can't do in an astronomically better way using spells...
What good is Pass Without Trace when your entire class sucks ass to begin with? A small buff isn't going to help when your class is so underwhelming you get compared as the lesser option to a Fighter with a bow...
I agree, in the last campaign I played a ranger, the dm had a bunch of home brewed arrows that were basically spell scrolls but the range and saves were based on my bow and dexterity rather than what they are normally based on. It helped scaling a lot at higher levels.
I've always thought the Hunter conclave's features should just be part of base Ranger. The added focus of "ok so how do you kill entire hordes of dudes/really BIG dudes" really ramps up the power level of the ranger you've been building, incorporates more choices to further personalize your build, and also synergizes with other ranger conclaves to bring you more in line with other classes. Also they need like half of their spells to not be concentration holy fuck that's the worst.
I mean that's just dms fault, they're supposed to give you like homebrew balanced bows for you to counter all the problems, not just throw harder things at you
... I used to DM 😊 What Sitiamas says is true. I made for my pal, he won a magical bow that would basically shoot magic missles as fast as he could move his hand, didn't need a quiver. He kept begging for a ring of Slow Time so that he could do the whole "bullet time" gig, but I figured that was overkill.
This is a common problem in the community where people think Ranger is just Ranged damage, but in reality they can pull off some really busted melee builds like dual wield Rapiers with a wolf companion that has prone as part of its base kit, or Horizon Walker planeshift and teleportation shenanigans. Hell, Ranger is named after a Range of fields or mountains or nature that they oversee, not the fact that they use Ranged damage
"I'm a hundred feet away, so I shoot him. Oh, I'm using the -5/+10. Annnnnnd....23. Second attack is the same. 20. Magic bow with special stuff to make it hurty hurt. Total damage is....60. I also move back 30 feet." Honestly, Rangers are amazing once you learn them properly, which takes no time. They should be good at environmental adaptation, so play them as such.
@@ShepardCommander Elven accuracy + fighting spirit, guaranteed crit or sharpshooter damage, action surge + extra attacks, rapid strike on last attack action for extra attack
Feel like this is the outdated version of the Ranger, the new version and subclasses got Rangers teleporting all over the place, riding drakes, moving through swirling swarms.
I heard a DnD story where an archer had a magic quiver that combined all arrows placed within it into one arrow. Best part, he only fired once, during the end battle. The arrows divided in the air, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, until the land was covered in the shade of thousands of arrows.
meanwhile the gloomstalker/assassin/life cleric multiclass preparing to deal over 500 damage in a single turn (they have a +10 to initiative and surprise with a +17 stealth), whilst also being able to heal 40 hitooints with a single spellslot at lvl 10:
I highly recommend to any new DMs out there to provide people who want to play ranger a higher than normal amount of magics items, OR let them take Hunter conclave sub-class abilities as feats. It lets them feel like they aren’t just worse bow fighters.
To be fair, with a good build as a Gloomstalker ranger you can be a ranged assassin rogue and snipe a bunch of people to death in the dark. My favorite breaking of the game was when a DM allowed Avariels and I just flew in the air as a Shadow sorcerer/Gloomstalker and just sniped the enemies because they had put a small patch of darkness at the edge of the arena that the enemies couldn’t actually get rid of to reveal my character. Was very funny at the time because I hadn’t tried it before
Level 20 Ranger: Sooo I have a pet dragon, I am a human with a breath attack, I have +13 to hit with my non-magic longbow, and my AOE spells killed half of the orc horad, your welcome.
I honestly love playing a ranger thats out of their depth, who for the first time in their lives feeling lost and is experiencing anxiety over it. Add bad dice throws and anxiety takes over so the party has to deal with a ranger having a panic attack coz theyre way out of their comfort zone. 😂
Applying Ranger logic to other classes Wizards: "The enemy isn't casting my favored school?" Sorcs: "The enemy isn't related to my dragon daddy?" Barbarian: "Well if we're not fighting an orc then I can't get angry." Paladin: "Sorry, I can only smite worshipers of my god's opposing god." Cleric: "Do you worship my god? I can't heal you if you don't worship my god." Warlock: "Sorry, the devil I contracted said I can only use my magic against angels and other devils." Fighter: "I can only use my extra attacks against people using the same fighting style as me."
That's why I use the optional stuff that replaces favored foe and favored terrain. Makes things actually work instead of making my character entirely useless.
Rangers are good for campaigns set in one area. The minute your party decides to leave that area and explore different terrains, you just become a dex fighter
My ranger became very useful before and after combat. I was a Perception and Endurance nuke. Turns out when you can see everything and never get tired you're pretty useful. I also got a lot of cool shit from the Dark Elf high king because all those weird alchemy reagents and other foodstuffs that I'd been hording for 6 sessions took his fancy.
As i Dm i ruled for our ranger that as long as they spent a week in game on a certain terrain (and a fetch quest) they would be allowed to change their favored terrain from the terrains they 'unlocked' during a long rest. We've found this to work at my table pretty well.
my friend took advantage of a curse on a bag of holding where if anyone else touches it it’ll immediately weigh as much as whatever is in it, add the fact that it was our de facto gold storage and now you have 1 arrow per combat that weighs a few tons
"I shoot a couple arrows, they glance off this guy's armor. The hell else am i supposed to do? Poke him? I'll get slapped into next month, if not outright die."
It's true. I homebrew re-jigged the Ranger class to look more like a magical special forces captain. I give them both combat styles, more spells earlier, Camouflage and Hide- in-plain-sight much earlier, and eventually Leadership... Rangers are organized by regional watches, and when traveling Rangers have the option to do regional quests to attune their favored enemies to creatures common to the region.
I may only be a ranger, but I'm also the only one in the party who can cast banishment which has saved our butts a couple times now. It actually helps that I'm the least threat because the baddies are so focused on my demigod friends that I can concentrate for the full minute and fully banish creatures
Level 20 Ranger be like : My favored terrain is the Material Plane and my favored enemy is Evil
❤️🔥
You are now fighting Neutral enemies in the Astral Plane
@@davidp5823😂😂
@@davidp5823 that's ok, I'm a level 20 Ranger
Then you throw a hamster at them
Wizard: There are like a thousand enemies out there
Ranger: Yeah, and I killed eleven of them. You're welcome.
Also Ranger: Heh heh, hail of thorns go *thunk*
Hawkeye 😂
@Sarge1886 the one time our AOE spells can be kinda useful lol
@@PaintballaJkilla does one need a reason to use magic grenade launcher?
@@Sarge1886 Of course not. We pray for target rich environments!
"The city is flying, theres an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense"
Man, Hawkeye truly is the ranger of the Avengers. No matter how cool you make him, he's still just a guy with a bow and arrow.
Hawkeye is more like a fighter with all his crazy arrows
thats the perfect quote when you play ranger and things get heated. I'm stealing that
Welcome to a magitech setting.
@@borderlands10 my favorite
I feel like at a certain level, rangers should be able to swap out their favored enemy and terrain after long rests.
Or gain more favored enemies and terrain as they go
You guys are genius. I just might make that.
@@aaronimp4966 As it stands, I think ranger is best when your DM has a themed campaign, maybe where most of it will be in similar terrain with your favored enemy being a recurring trope in the theme.
Still, this idea is great. Ranger definitely feels lackluster unless you already know what you're playing into.
This should be something they can do right from the get go. The higher level modification should be how many they can have going at once. Especially after they get magic, this just makes sense.
You get teleported to the desert, no one knows what's going on. The Ranger communes with the land, and learns what lives there, and decides what will be a threat. When they awaken from their trance, they can lead you through it as though they have lived there their whole lives. This is what makes them a Ranger, and not a woodsman or whatever.
@@Lurklen Big agree on this one.
I prepare the wish spell, once the Ranger shoots an arrow. I will duplicate it hundredfold 😂
Now that is what Team Play is all about baby
You can no longer cast wish, you suffer from two levels of exhaustion, and you can't cast magic for a month now while you recover.
@@Obscurite1221that or it’s just conjure volley/barrage
@@Obscurite1221why
@@robertwyatt3912wish has drawbacks if you don't use it to replicate a lower level spell.
Barbarian: you have my axe
Fighter: and my sword
Cleric: and my blessings
Ranger: and my bow but only on every 2nd Tuesday of the first month of the season while in a birch forest against ork zombies.
Necromancer: And your Parents
I use a great sword 2d6 is better then a 1d12. Play as a large creature 1d4+2d6 barbarian with a shield.
DM: Reads roles, writes stuff down, I'll allow it.
Me: Fights barbarian orks doing the same thing as me.
Me: That makes sense that adds up
@@jaisummons2304What the fuck are you trying to say?
Bard: and my sex playl- my wonderful ballads
@@TalesStahl😂 😂
It's really funny to me that the class based around exploration is most optimized to never go out exploring past their comfort zone
Edit: some of you have surprisingly strong feelings about this and yet no one has mentioned that terrain doesn't actually make or break anything combat or damage wise. Expertise on Intelligence and Wisdom checks about the terrain and tracking gives you exact numbers and sizes of creatures, the rest is a lot of travel and foraging perks but I'm sure most DMs skip travel and food mechanics because they are BORING (how good for a story would it be if you got lost on your way somewhere or got food poisoning?). It literally is "I'm an expert o long as we don't stop being in a forest" all that hunting sense goes away the second the soil changes. You go from a forest to a grassland and can no longer track down creatures, it's a really funny shut down of abilities roleplay wise. "Hey, guys, can we go back to the forest? I'm really cool there"
Some of y'all are acting like I'm attacking ranger or that I don't know how to play it and have fully missed the point of what terrain does.
Folks, if I WANTED to drag Ranger I would bring up Primeval Awareness
ikr, you'd think rangers would be outdoor skillmonkeys or something.
Read past the first few lines on the skill description. Also check out the updated ranger from tashas
@@thomascook3336 I did and here's what you get: 3 whole favoured terrains. Thank god there's only three in the whole game right?
also for Tasha's:
you get 1 expertise and 2 languages, meaning you could've just go rogue and get twice as much.
5 extra feet of movement and two new movement speeds, which is genuinely useful.
D8+Wis temp hp 4 to 6 times per day. Which is a nice bonus, but it would sure sting if there was a class that has an aoe version of this, with no daily limit, that they get at 3rd level.
Tasha's did help, but just like with their one dnd redesign (at least the original one), I am sad that the way people try to fix ranger is by no longer making them focus on the outdoors.
@@Nuggette maybe they should get an ability that changes or adds favoured terrain based on where they are on a long rest (e.g The Ranger spends time learning the local terrain, forgoing the benefits of a long rest to add terrain as favoured).
@@CastellanMaben yeah those kinds of buffs is something I would love to see. Like make them good in any terrain but make them busted in their favoured terrain. Something like Favoured Foe is really nice, but I would also like to see them get rewarded for gaining knowledge about monsters, kind of like Thaumaturge from pf2e. I feel like there can be a fun niche for a ranger, that isn't just "Bow guy that sometimes casts hunter's mark"
The guy who is casting wish: "I wish I could shoot wooden twigs through the air as good as that guy over there."
Paladin's only have to worry if their enemy is evil.
Rangers have such a niche bonus.
What is evil?
Not true, paladins are only bound to their oath. The oath is what gives them Power, doesn't Matter what kind of oath, they can even Break their oath and gain Powers originating from the darkness.
@@yannickoepcke1568 Oi mate.
My reference is 1st, 2nd, and 3.5 Edition D&D.
Paladins are Lawful Good and they fight against Evil. End of story.
If you are using the moral relativism of 5th Edition, then politely shove your head into the book of Deuteronomy and don't resurface until you understand all that is lawful, good, and righteous.
And if there is no truth in you, they away with thee, man of lawlessness.
@@eightywightoI mAtE! tHaT sHiT wAS CrInGe As hElL!!!! StilL tImE tO DeLetE tHaT sTuPiD sHit you JuSt SaId
@@eightywightbased 3.5 enjoyer
This sums up Hawkeye as the movies progressed
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I mean, we didn't see it but he probably got stark to upgrade some arrows to explode intensely in a wide area or some shit.
@@cnnr_ No, we did see it. In the Hawkeye series (very much not worth watching), he has a variety of arrows. The big one was a Pym arrow, which he used to drastically increase or reduce the size of the things he hit with it.
The thing about a Hawkeye is that he's not supposed to be overpowered, he's supposed to be tactical. Hawkeye is insane the fact that he's immortal guy being able to keep up. Nobody goes with a black widow saying that she's just a girl who shoots guns. He was taken out aliens that were invading Earth with explosive bows and arrows without even looking.
@@flamemasterelan iirc the hawkeye series came way after the movies were coming out. "This sums up hawkeye as the movies progressed"
Don't forget that at level 10, rangers get the impressive ability to camouflage themselves, if they have naturally occurring materials to hide themselves with AND have a tree or wall to press themselves against, by spending a full minute and then staying completely still, taking no movement or actions. This gives a +10 to stealth checks! Meanwhile, Pass Without Trace is a 2nd level spell that gives +10 stealth to your whole party, allows them to move, and is accessible to rangers as early as 5th level.
Capstone features are so balanced in 5e
Barbarian: literally break the rules of the world with how buff you are
Cleric: have god on speed dial who would always answer your call and do a favour
Ranger: you get to add up to a +5 to your attack or damage, but only against your favoured enemy, and also only once a turn, let's not get too crazy now
Fighter: Unleash your inner anime.
Rogue: Offset your bad luck JUUUUST a smidge more.
Artificer: Become the master of magic item hoarding, and reliably have Relentless Rage activate 6 times provided the enemy doesn't hit you more than they already have.
Bard: Become the master of Rock & Roll in addition to copyright infringement(they stole spells from other classes earlier.). Oh, and have infinite bardic inspiration provided you keep entering combat I guess.
Sorcerer: Gain at the MOST a 4th level spell slot back, because no, you need to sleep more than your average wizard since you're a one-trick pony that spends spells like a spoiled brat not knowing how to use money.
Paladin: A N I M E
Warlock: Gain one extra short rest that doesn't count towards your normal amount of short rests.
Druid: Magical Furry incarnate.
Monk: Never truly run out of ki points, and basically be invisible at all times.
To be fair, the hunter subclass does let you attack upwards of 16-25 times in one turn, any turn.
@@Kronosaurus-1924 that's a pretty misleading way to word hitting a 10ft radius sphere for weapon damage. It's alright, aoe is always helpful and martials are bad at it, but it's not as powerful as hitting 16 times a turn
@@jeremywang5754 I did state upwards. I was stating the maximum.
@@Kronosaurus-1924 no I mean, having 16 attacks a turn and hitting 16 enemies is different, unless each attack is getting a kill or softening up the enemy for your ally aoe to get kills, the 16 attacks is significantly stronger since you can focus fire
Our ranger was our perception check.
A highly useful teammate.
Without him, half the story would be *_very_* different.
This is why you take the options from Tasha’s
I haven't built a single Dexterity Ranger since I got Tasha's. 🤣 They're all Wisdom Rangers, and they're all a blast. I'm playing one right now who is a Halfling Beast Master with the Primal Companion option, which she rides in battle. It's bonkers. I can charge up to 40 feet, use my Bonus Action to have my Primal Companion attack, dealing 1d8+4 + 1d6, after which they have to make a Strength save or be knocked Prone, after which point either I can attack if I have Shillelagh up, or I can use my Attack action to command my Primal Companion to attack again.
@@WolfHreda yeah I have a swarm keeper. He has high dex but uses wis more
@@PhenicxI got a Str based Swarm keeper who's Wielding a Meteor Hammer (light Hammer but it has a Rope attached) with the Crusher and Piercer Feat it's pretty Fun
@@WolfHreda try a kobold with sorcerer ancestry for booming or flame blade cantrip, still small to be able to ride a medium creature.
@@WolfHreda i notice how in every dnd video everyone (including myself) always has the strong urge to just randomly bring up their own characters or stories from campaigns.
its an interesting insight into the human condition.
Rangers: I just... I wish there was something more.
Tasha: _Reaches down her hand_ Take two more good subclasses, a new fighting style, and replacements for your niche base options. Go. Prosper.
Rangers: 🥺 Thank you, Mommy.
Everyone playing as intended and were thriving: "are we a joke to you?"
@@kingwildcat6192000Everyone? You mean all three of you?
@@kingwildcat6192000"as intended" did you just say that a source book wasn't intended? Are you high on copium, or just drugs?
Alright, ill take bard
@@username172 Tasha's was ridiculously good to Bards too. Two nearly busted subclasses, some additional spells to choose from, and the ability to add a Bardic Inspiration to healing or damage spells' rolls.
DM: «Ok, so what’s your favorite enemy?»
Ranger: «Creatures.»
DM: «…»
Ranger: «…»
DM: «Still wouldn’t break the game, so sure.»
😂
Had a DM who made it as simple as he could. "Humanoids, Animals, Magical Beasts,Outsiders. Choose one."
@@Chokah that's actually a pretty neat change. I would add on to that by letting the ranger player pick a specific creature type within that grouping, and the player gaining double the bonuses granted by the general grouping.
@@teerex1314 Well his argument was "Humans,Elves,Dwarves,Orcs, etc. all have the same parts in roughly the same place and move the same way, unless you're making race-specific poisons like a Witcher, it doesn't make sense to specialize ONLY in Elves when the same thing will kill a Human or a Halfling. Same for most four-legged animals."
"Whats your favoured enemy"
"Things."
"To be honest you're still way weaker than our Paladin I'll accept it."
@@Chokah Even more to the point: Humans, Elves, Dwarves and Orcs are able to create live fertile offspring. They MUST have the exact same internal anatomy.
Ah yes. Rangers level up their Depression every five levels.
I mean, now some rangers can just be completely invisible in the dark and cast semi-decent spells, so who's laughing now?
yeah and they get all of that at level three then nothing great for muit class tho
Had a Horizon Walker Ranger and they were my best character by far.
@@thewaveofepic Yeah, Gloom Stalker is sort of the subject of my comment and I said what I did with a bit if sarcasm but my first campaign, I played a Horizon Walker and it was so damn fun. Kind of want to play that one again some time but I'm now the forever DM for my group so I don't get a lot of chances.
They always hand good spells...
@@beesmchuman8588
Guess you get to amp up the fights and include an NPC matching the players' level with the race/class/background you've always wanted to test out.
Warlock at every level: Guys I’m so sorry I’m out of spell slots can we take an hour short rest?
Warlock at level 20: Give me like 1 minute and I’ll be good.
The Hawkeye dilemma
"The city is flying. The city is flying, and I have a bow and arrow." 😂
Wizard: alters reality
Ranger: gets more kills with a bow
I think the coolest way to help Rangers while still keeping the feeling of "guy with bow" would be for them to get ammunition and bow upgrades as they level. Like "you can now use explosive arrows without dying" or "you can now aim ethereal arrows", though it'd be up to the DM to make sure they get some
isn't that basically the arcane archer prestige class?
@@Heidensprossarcane archer is a prestige class? Its a magus subclass in pathfinder
@@giorgilobjanidze5667 i was referring to D&D... at least in 3,5 it used to be
@@Heidenspross wouldnt know i play pathfinder
Arcane archer is a fighter subclass
Rangers are scary with a tactical player behind them.
Only at low levels and against non-casters. yeah. Cause at high level, it really doesnt matter if the ranger would be Solid Snake & James Bond fusion, cause all a caster has to do, is to say " i wish that ranger was an earth worm "
@_Lunaria You sound more like Boostergold confronting Batman.
@@JohnnyGoble-oi8ie I mean i cannot even fathom a situation where a ranger would be better than a caster.
A horde of 20 goblins running at you ? -Ranger can shoot twice, or use a spell to kill maybe 5, 10 at best if they group up just right.
-Wizard will fry all those goblins, and the other 20 that were hiding in a small forest 100ft away with Meteor Shower.
There is a patrol of enemies coming, and you need to hide quick.
-Ranger can try to use Pass without Trace to increase their stealth check, which might still fail cause the paladin has plate mail and thus gets dis adv on the check
-Wizard or Sorcerer will just upcast invisibility on the party, no checks required to stay hidden.
By some unknown reason, the party has been thrown in a foreing jungle.
-Ranger can only weep cause his favourite terrain is forest and snow mountains, so he can roll survival checks to maybe being able to point North
-Wizard will cast either Teleport, to just get back where ever you want to. Fly, to just go over the tree tops to take a look whats around them. Or just Wish that the party would be back home..
Please im actually curious, can you give me a single example where a ranger would be better than a caster ?
@@JohnnyGoble-oi8ie Do you mean the Captain Atom scene from The Brave and the Bold cartoon?
Every class is scary with a tactical player behind them, doing so with a Ranger is just the D&D equivalent of playing a Souls game that somehow has a Nightmare difficulty mode.
I have a friend plays a ranger who is specifically good at taking out magic users, one of the hardest hitting character i have ever seen.
Lol no they arnt. Mage is buddy
@@Nemissis4265 ya fight a monster slayer ranger and a wizard. You wont have a good time. All the saving throw spells are out of question, they can all be slayer's countered. And unless you are a nishe character who is made to counter specific things, you'r fk ed
How does his build work?
@@aaronimp4966 monster slayer subclass get a feat called slayers counter, let him shoot the people that cast spells on him that required saving throws, if he hit...he is considered passed the save.
@@LGCYSHD but a fighter with a bow can do like 200 damage in a turn which kills any magic user before they can cast a spell.
Wizard: i cast True Polymorph on the Ranger and turn him into a black dragon
Ranger: "But.. that means all my choices and levels were basically for nothing."
Wizard: "Absolutely not. You made the right choice of joining a party with a Wizard, and because you made it to level 20 I'm able to transform you into an adult dragon instead of a newborn wyrmling!"
Question for people who've actually played DnD: Dragons are highly intelligent creatures, correct? Would a polymorphed player retain their memories and personality? Or would they go Dragon on their team?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Depends on the DM
“With that power, you could cure cancer!”
“But I don’t want to cure cancer, I want to turn rangers into dragons”
@@benjaminoechsli1941 It entirely depends on what creature is being turned into what. A dragon to a kobold could mess up memories during the transformation during that time if the intelligence stat changes. A ranger to a dragon could incur a personality change due to the intelligence stat increasing by a shit ton, maybe the ranger-dragon figures out that it’s been cucked by its team for a while and goes ham
I'm glad Tasha's Cauldron of Everything showed them some love. They desperately need it. They need to be multiclassed though still in order to be powerful. I like multiclassing with either fighter, rogue, or cleric. Also, always stack up on magic arrows or magic crossbow bolts. Think of them as spell slots you have to find or buy.
Its like fighting an army of robots with nothing but a bow and arrows meanwhile a giant rage-monster, a literal god, the world's best artificer, a sorceress, an ancient warrior, and an assassin is shredding through the army while youre on a floating island. It makes no sense.
I love that Tony Stark is the "World's best artificer". Well played!
Rogue, Barbarian, Fighter, and Monk: “First time, buddy? At least you have magic. We’re supposed to be ‘consistent’ but the mage usually does what we do anyway.”
2 levels of fighter plus any magic caster= action surge spell swarm
At least those classes (except monk because monk) do a lotta damage and live a heck of a lot better.
@@kuratse205 debatable, especially in the early game when the difference in hitpoints is like… 4-5 HP per level, _at it’s most extreme._
Rangers and paladins have a d10 hit die, just like fighter, warlock and cleric have a d8 hit die just like rogues and monks, and for damage?
Brother, you have to run multiple sessions without a long rest in order for the mages to finally run out of the resources they use to retain their utility and damage output.
Will the fighter still be swinging his sword with a few more hitpoints? Maybe. But given that he’s also at the front of the pack most of the time, he’s probably also the one that _needs_ those hitpoints the most.
@@CurlyHairedRogue At the low beginning levels of 1-4, there isnt much of a power difference between all the classes. They are mostly very similar since they havent gotten to the OP stuff yet. I was talking about the super late game instead.
But for resource supply, it really depends on the DM. If the campaign is super combat heavy with low amounts of long rests, or there are encounters that are difficult enough to drain all the party's resources, then a consistent low resource cost class would shine and show its true value.
But for certain classes like ranger or monk, they just lack any of the resource efficiency of the martial classes, while still only having low value abilities.
While its great to be able to use your abilities freely, resource management really adds another depth to the gameplay if done right.
@@jawstr1k3r19cant cast 2 spells in the same turn sadly (except a bonus action slot spell and a full action cantrip)
And that's why it is essential to give ranger (and any other martial class) a magic weapon. A talking one, with a complicated story and awesome powers to make ranger a bit more magical.
And scale that piece of equipment throughout whole ranger's journey.
Make the ranger a swordmage, gotcha. Now, magic weapons are good, but we can do better. How about instead, you give the player (that chose to make a character whose class features center around the ability to track, and certain enemies) favored enemies to track across favorable terrain? Playing to the character will _always_ feel better for a player than a new doodad.
I have every character make up something special at lvl1. They can have it do anything they want as long as it's minor. Could be a weapon, a spell and item ability, whatever they want. Then I give it more and more unique aspects as the level depending on how they use it.
For example I had a rouge druid multiclass player. So I gave him a ghostly raven that only he could see and communicate with. Over time he gain the ability to see through its eye, have it pass through walls and by lv 16 once a day he could some a hoard of ghostly animal to torment the enemy.
Make every character a bit more interesting, and since the dm controls how it improves, I can keep it balanced and they get surprises over time.
That's why you multiclass
And that would only scratch the surface of martial problems.
Better to give arrows magically imbued.
Fire arrow against regeneration creatures, freezing arrow to create slippery terrain, anti magic arrow to ignore any effect, including protection spells, counterarrow to negate any effect traveling to its mark etc.
Nope, lost me at talking.
POV: You're Hawkeye trying to keep up with the Avengers.
This is why I give my Rangers all of the benefits of Natural Explorer & Favored Terrain, regardless of where they are & who they're fighting, & give them Tasha's features in addition.
Which is how it should've always been. Idk why almost everything else in Tasha's was an "optional" addition, yet the weakest class had optional replacements that made the class less flavorful & gave it less out-of-combat utility.
Tasha's sent much needed fixes for those
That and Xanathar's. Gloom Stalker and Horizon Walker are so fun to play, and the exchanged abilities in Tasha's are so nice to have.
How? All it added was a niche ability to replace its niche ability, and the subclasses only have gimmicks that any full spellcaster can do 1000x better...
@@borderlands10Ah yes, the very niche abilities of hitting harder, walking faster, having better skills, casting better spells, being tankier and bonus action invisibility. As for the subclasses, every subclass feature in the game is weaker than Wish, doesn't make them worthless.
@@HunterTracks yes, those abilities in a game that prioritizes combat are niche...
And as I said, those spells are dogshit compared to literally any other spellcaster, even the Eldritch Knight does spellcasting better than the Ranger and it's limited to a couple schools of magic. The "tanky" part is nowhere to be found with Rangers, unless you dump your stats and go full-on Con build which will yield the exact same results with any other class. And ohh boy, a bonus action to go invisible, it's totally not like there's already a fucking potion that does the exact same thing... Rangers are a joke, and always will be.
Tasha's added placebo effects to cope with what sucks about Ranger. Revised actually fixes the base class.
Ahem... thank god for tasha's cauldron, gloom stalkers and swarmkeepers baby, lets gooooo
Gloomstalker was in XGtE not TCoE
@@xthirtyx yeah, you're right, forgot that part since swarmkeeper is
So a shitty Rogue and an even shittier Beast Master?
@borderlands10 you mean better at hiding and sneaking than rogue and better at dealing damage to, and controlling enemies than beast master
@@borderlands10 hahaah wtf
That is actually a pretty realistic representation of what it would be like to live in the e world of DnD without magic.
My ranger ass at level 20: and I shoot another arrow. Any questions? I thought not.
Listen. Arrow go zoom. It makes my brain happy and that’s why I play Ranger.
I know everyone else has said it but everything from tashas especially gloomstalker makes the class so much better
No, it really doesn't...
Archers are supporting units always carry a flask of greese oil or gun powder and a few dozen flame arrows
There was a ranger in this podcast i listen to and the GM suggested undead as a second favorite enemy and it was like a all giant/dragon campain but the guy didnt read far enough to know that undead wasnt that relevent and the player still holds it against him to this day lmao
The dedication to change shirts and Mike up every time to represent a new session is awesome.
Honestly, I love how Ranger works in Baldur's Gate 3. Feels like it got everything it SHOULD have
Its the exact same buddy. Just a cassual dnd not a real dnd where the dm fks you or loves you 😂
@@Nemissis4265 not in the slightest, BG3 actually did the Ranger justice and gave it abilities that the tabletop RPG should've been given.
@@borderlands10It straight up nerfed it lol. Seems like you never realized that rangers are actually really good in 5e.
so you agree with them ... that's just what it looks like when the DM loves you... as opposed to fucks you over@@borderlands10
Everyone seems to forget rangers are both spellcasters and capable of melee
So are clerics and paladins, but both do it better
@@ExeEspe-by2ct Paladins can't deal 4d6+6 DPR for up to 10 rounds with a level 1 spell slot at level 2. Rangers can deal insane single target sustained DPR, flat lining around level 5 but staying a very relevant damage source till around level 7-9. Plus they're very relevant out of combat if your GM uses more than 6 skills in the entire game
@nyrat8165 Paladin is very much capable of dealing more with Smite Spells + Smite + Any Weapon. What are you talking about? Paladin is a much better gish than Ranger for 5e and its okay to amit it, Wizards fucked them and even tried to encourage using the additional features for Rangers.
@@KathuluQpaladins have limited spell slots, rangers only need one.
@@MaximusChivus They get Conjure Animals at lvl 9, their DPR makes a big bump at that lvl
Absolute mood. Never being a ranger in a long-running campaign again.
"the city is flying and we're fighting an army robots and I have a bow and arrow, none of this makes sense."
First dnd campaign I went for drakewarden, campaign didn’t make it far but had fun. My drake companion couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn so we joked about getting him glasses.
If you make it to twentieth level without becoming invested in the plot line and characters you need a new campaign.
Source: ranger enjoyer
Ranger, Rouge multiclass. Take the archery fighting style at lvl 2, to get a +2 to hit with bows. Be a Hunter Ranger and take Colossus slayer. Lvl ranger to lvl 5 to get extra attack. For spells take Cure Wounds, Hunters Mark, Ensnaring strike, Pass without a trace, and lighting arrow. Now lvl up rogue as normal, but take the Assasian subclass. Take the sharpshooter feat and the alert feat (Or whichever one gives +5 to initiative). Get like a +13 with your bow, use sharpshooter to get a -5, but do +10 damage. Use Hunters Mark to get 1d6, with collosus slayer get extra 1d8 if enemy is below half health. Have 1st initiative with the +10 you get with alert feat (I think, again). Use assassin since you have 1st attack. Get sneak attack. Also, you ignore 3/4 cover and can shoot at 600ft. without disadvantage. Now, you have a human trebuchet that can literally explode anyone in your way. And have the case haste on you to get 2 actions for 4 attacks. Youre welcome
That elf gloomstalker samurai with haste just shooting 10 arrows with elven accuaracy and sharpshooter to OTK god...
Rangers are actually pretty freaking good now especially if you're a Gloomstalker. They are still heavily front loaded though.
*laughs in sinstalker astarion*
Funny thing is that they were always pretty freaking solid when you actually consider their spell list
A Level 5 Ranger has
- Longstrider
- Entangle
- Pass Without Trace
A Level 5 Fighter has
- Action Surge
- Second Wind
The Archetypes weren't Amazing, but with spells like those, they didn't need to be. Unlike a Paladin, a Ranger wants to use their Spell Slots to...cast spells.
I wouldn't even call the Ranger Front Loaded considering all the good spells they can access if they stay the course.
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People just looked at the Favored Enemy/Terrain, ignored all spells except Hunters Mark, and thought the ranger sucked.
It would be like calling the Bard terrible because Countercharm & Song of Rest were bad, and since spamming Vicious Mockery didn't scale into high level gameplay.
Heck, even the PHB Beast Master can be good in the right circumstances
@@TheGaboom I agree with a lot of what you said but I still think they're a front loaded class that's good to multiclass out of. When you compare favored enemy to countercharm I think the main difference is it's just not one feature but like 3 level up features including the capstone that relate to the shitty feature. Bards get magical secrets and are full casters. Conjure animals is great but it's a lot less impressive at level 9 than it is at level 5 and it benefits from up casting a lot but as a half caster you won't even have a fourth level slot until 13 and won't ever get 6th or higher. You could take 6 levels of ranger and then 7 levels of druid and you'd have those same spells but with 5th level slots instead of 4th. Alternatively you could take levels in rogue and fighter to boost your offensive capabilities a lot more than you will be taking more ranger.
Why do people keep praising the shitty Rogue knockoff? It literally adds nothing that a full caster can't do in an astronomically better way using spells...
@@borderlands10 because they have plenty of things that full casters can't do. Idk where you're getting your information from man.
While I get the point.
Your spells, Ranger. YOUR SPELLS, USE YOUR SPELLS, YOU HAVE PASS WITHOUT A TRACE! USE IT!
What good is Pass Without Trace when your entire class sucks ass to begin with? A small buff isn't going to help when your class is so underwhelming you get compared as the lesser option to a Fighter with a bow...
And dont forget to cast Hunter's mark, dammit!
@borderlands10 You just suck lol, ranger is straight up amazing and can outdamage even a fighter.
My Druid with Staff of the Woodlands:
"Wow, this is completely worthless to me."
I agree, in the last campaign I played a ranger, the dm had a bunch of home brewed arrows that were basically spell scrolls but the range and saves were based on my bow and dexterity rather than what they are normally based on. It helped scaling a lot at higher levels.
Tasha’s ranger: is he good
Blood hunters: no no he isn’t
And THIS is why Ranger Revised exists.
Shooty twiggy stick
I've always thought the Hunter conclave's features should just be part of base Ranger. The added focus of "ok so how do you kill entire hordes of dudes/really BIG dudes" really ramps up the power level of the ranger you've been building, incorporates more choices to further personalize your build, and also synergizes with other ranger conclaves to bring you more in line with other classes.
Also they need like half of their spells to not be concentration holy fuck that's the worst.
To be fair, having pinpoint accuracy over 200 feet away no matter what's between you and a target is pretty fucking awesome
I mean that's just dms fault, they're supposed to give you like homebrew balanced bows for you to counter all the problems, not just throw harder things at you
... I used to DM 😊 What Sitiamas says is true. I made for my pal, he won a magical bow that would basically shoot magic missles as fast as he could move his hand, didn't need a quiver.
He kept begging for a ring of Slow Time so that he could do the whole "bullet time" gig, but I figured that was overkill.
theyre supposed to homebrew balanced bows?? to make a class function properly?, at that point why even buy the book
@@anonimcz5381answer:
Dont buy the book.
Get the pdf off the internet archive
@anonimcz5381 don't. Easy it's all online for free
@@glupigang1900 to legally obtain dnd 5e books you have to buy them or someone has to share them, they're most definitely not free
And then tashas came out and now Ranger is borderline overpowered.
It barely did shit. Rangers were already great, you just ignored their best spells for their ribbon features.
Rangers when they finally fight their favored enemy on their favored terrain: *My time has come.*
This is a common problem in the community where people think Ranger is just Ranged damage, but in reality they can pull off some really busted melee builds like dual wield Rapiers with a wolf companion that has prone as part of its base kit, or Horizon Walker planeshift and teleportation shenanigans. Hell, Ranger is named after a Range of fields or mountains or nature that they oversee, not the fact that they use Ranged damage
"I'm a hundred feet away, so I shoot him. Oh, I'm using the -5/+10. Annnnnnd....23. Second attack is the same. 20. Magic bow with special stuff to make it hurty hurt. Total damage is....60. I also move back 30 feet." Honestly, Rangers are amazing once you learn them properly, which takes no time. They should be good at environmental adaptation, so play them as such.
yeah but the fighter samurai subclass can just do this but better
@@justblank2653hunters mark, volley, swift quiver.
@@ShepardCommander Elven accuracy + fighting spirit, guaranteed crit or sharpshooter damage, action surge + extra attacks, rapid strike on last attack action for extra attack
@@ShepardCommander and if you wanna add in gunner for a 1d12 musket you can do even more
@@justblank2653 Yes, but you can stack all of those on a ranger.
The Ranger: I shoot one arrow, now I'm shooting two arrows.
The Wizard: Now there's one of me, now there's three of me.
Feel like this is the outdated version of the Ranger, the new version and subclasses got Rangers teleporting all over the place, riding drakes, moving through swirling swarms.
I heard a DnD story where an archer had a magic quiver that combined all arrows placed within it into one arrow. Best part, he only fired once, during the end battle. The arrows divided in the air, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, until the land was covered in the shade of thousands of arrows.
meanwhile the gloomstalker/assassin/life cleric multiclass preparing to deal over 500 damage in a single turn (they have a +10 to initiative and surprise with a +17 stealth), whilst also being able to heal 40 hitooints with a single spellslot at lvl 10:
This is where the idea of guns was made.
I highly recommend to any new DMs out there to provide people who want to play ranger a higher than normal amount of magics items, OR let them take Hunter conclave sub-class abilities as feats. It lets them feel like they aren’t just worse bow fighters.
Nah. Just steer them towards the newer subclasses. Rangers are fine so long as they don’t pick hunter or beast master.
This is why i unusually give the rangers in my games access to more spells and more homebrew abilities than the others.
Hawkeye:
The city is floating, and I have a bow and arrow.
To be fair, with a good build as a Gloomstalker ranger you can be a ranged assassin rogue and snipe a bunch of people to death in the dark. My favorite breaking of the game was when a DM allowed Avariels and I just flew in the air as a Shadow sorcerer/Gloomstalker and just sniped the enemies because they had put a small patch of darkness at the edge of the arena that the enemies couldn’t actually get rid of to reveal my character. Was very funny at the time because I hadn’t tried it before
Level 20 Ranger: Sooo I have a pet dragon, I am a human with a breath attack, I have +13 to hit with my non-magic longbow, and my AOE spells killed half of the orc horad, your welcome.
This is why magic items were originally intended for martials.
I honestly love playing a ranger thats out of their depth, who for the first time in their lives feeling lost and is experiencing anxiety over it. Add bad dice throws and anxiety takes over so the party has to deal with a ranger having a panic attack coz theyre way out of their comfort zone. 😂
lvl 20 Beastmaster Ranger be like "This is my pet terrasque named freckles."
Pathfinder Ranger be like: favored enemy? Didn't take that feat. Favored terrain? Didn't take that feat.
Applying Ranger logic to other classes
Wizards: "The enemy isn't casting my favored school?"
Sorcs: "The enemy isn't related to my dragon daddy?"
Barbarian: "Well if we're not fighting an orc then I can't get angry."
Paladin: "Sorry, I can only smite worshipers of my god's opposing god."
Cleric: "Do you worship my god? I can't heal you if you don't worship my god."
Warlock: "Sorry, the devil I contracted said I can only use my magic against angels and other devils."
Fighter: "I can only use my extra attacks against people using the same fighting style as me."
That's why I use the optional stuff that replaces favored foe and favored terrain. Makes things actually work instead of making my character entirely useless.
Meanwhile the Sword Bard ballerina is racking up killstreaks while blowing kisses
It takes my Ranger, carrying the squishy classes, to reach the Wish stage of their careers.
This is why Aragorn multiclassed out of Ranger and into Paladin.
This is where you give your rangers special items and such. They do a ton of damage too and hit reliably.
>RANGEr
>DUNGEONS&dragons
I have a feeling that I know where the problem comes from😅
I feel like I’m the only one who loves playing a ranger. It’s fun to add a rogue subclass and snipe people from the shadows
Me, a Paladin and Intellectual: I use Smite.
Regular Ranger: Who are you?
Tasha's Ranger: I'm you but better
Nah, it's more like this:
Regular Ranger: Who are you?
Tasha's Ranger: Oh nevermind, that's just my reflection...
Rangers are good for campaigns set in one area. The minute your party decides to leave that area and explore different terrains, you just become a dex fighter
tbf the ranger absolutely fucks up anything other than a boss.
My ranger became very useful before and after combat. I was a Perception and Endurance nuke.
Turns out when you can see everything and never get tired you're pretty useful.
I also got a lot of cool shit from the Dark Elf high king because all those weird alchemy reagents and other foodstuffs that I'd been hording for 6 sessions took his fancy.
As i Dm i ruled for our ranger that as long as they spent a week in game on a certain terrain (and a fetch quest) they would be allowed to change their favored terrain from the terrains they 'unlocked' during a long rest.
We've found this to work at my table pretty well.
Tasha’s Ranger makes regular Ranger look like cheap crap. As a Ranger main, it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me dnd wise.
this is literally the Green Arrow in the Arrowverse
Gloom Stalker Ranger be like "Now for my 3rd action..."
my friend took advantage of a curse on a bag of holding where if anyone else touches it it’ll immediately weigh as much as whatever is in it, add the fact that it was our de facto gold storage and now you have 1 arrow per combat that weighs a few tons
"I shoot a couple arrows, they glance off this guy's armor. The hell else am i supposed to do? Poke him? I'll get slapped into next month, if not outright die."
My ranger: I AM THE BALLISTA WHICH RAINS METAL FROM THE SKY. FEAR ME FOR I AM THE END OF YOUR ABILITY TO SEE THE SKY
It's true.
I homebrew re-jigged the Ranger class to look more like a magical special forces captain. I give them both combat styles, more spells earlier, Camouflage and Hide- in-plain-sight much earlier, and eventually Leadership...
Rangers are organized by regional watches, and when traveling Rangers have the option to do regional quests to attune their favored enemies to creatures common to the region.
the story of hawkeye. the avengers are a dnd party confirmed
Pathfinder2e ranger: I'm actually good in my game.
I may only be a ranger, but I'm also the only one in the party who can cast banishment which has saved our butts a couple times now. It actually helps that I'm the least threat because the baddies are so focused on my demigod friends that I can concentrate for the full minute and fully banish creatures
When Hawkeye goes to space in Endgame.
Me looking at Tashas Book: Fix this
Tasha: of course "Makes favored enemy portable"