Old Vise Repair & Restoration / Unlocking the Secrets
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2023
- Old Vise Repair & Restoration / Unlocking the Secrets of a Chas Parker Vise. Repair this old vise which has had a Rough life for this Chas Parker vise, I spent its life in a machine shop, blacksmith shop, farm equipment repair shop. I was used & abused.
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Can’t help but wonder what that old vise has been through. What a piece of history, you just gave it another lifetime. Nice work 👍🏻
Damn if that doesn’t look like Dad’s old vise. Nice job, Randy.
Nice, fix it. Thanks for watching.
Neat! I have a Reed swivel vise (about 120 lbs) I bought from a fellow who’s dad actually bought it new for a Hosiery plant in Columbia, SC in the late 1920s. He was still the pant manager in the early 1950s when the plant shut down. It sat in the back of his son’s garage slightly froze up when I got it. Once home I cleaned it up and couldn’t bring myself to paint it. I put linseed oil on it and it is almost perfectly black with patina. The old owner had no idea the back jaw was supposed to swivel and I had to make a tapered pin for it. I love it and use it regularly. The top of the jaws have a lot of shallow hacksaw marks, I guess from belting repairs being done on it. There is something special about using a tool with so much experience and yet had no actual damage. I respect these tools and a display case or shelf is near criminal in my opinion. I always enjoy your videos Randy!
Thank you Cogent. Great story of your vise, fun to know the history of old tools.
Nice restoration Randy....man the story's that old vice could tell....
ATB......
Yeah, Help Me! Help Me!. Thanks Dean.
I’ve redone a few vises myself, I think you did a great job bringing that poor old guy back to life. That vise had a rough life, but you fixed it and ow it’s good for many more years of service. Thanks for sharing this video!!!🤘🤘🤘
Thank you Bob,
Good video.
On that vise I would have hit it with the air compressor then submersed it in about 4 gallons of vinegar for 2-3 days and then started the disassembly.
Less rust, easier to work with.
That old iron is hard to beat! Most old vises have been abused that would have reduced most modern day vises to scrap! Enjoyed the real world brazing process, what really has to be done to get it right! Great video Randy! Thanks for your time and sharing! 👍😎✌️🇺🇸
For sure. Lots of work. Thanks James.
Good that you can use a torch on 100° days. I avoid that and wait for cooler weather. Nice repair Randy. You never gave up.
Thank you Randy, the weather is the pre-heat.
Enjoyed….nice repair/cleanup
Thank you Chuck, sure worked out great.
I don't know why the slope is there, but, a benefit of the slope is that when is mounted to a benchtop it ensures that the fixed jaw is past the edge of the bench. Giving a clamping option that isn't available when the fixed jaw is inside the edge of the bench.
I enjoy your channel, thanks.
From one Randy that used to work on boats to another Randy that used to work on boats.
Thank you, good thoughts. Thanks you to a shipmate.
Great repair Randy, Thank you !!!
Thanks Phil, Stay Cool.
The Henrob Torch, now Detroit Torch is wonderful. I sprung for one a couple years age, even purchased the rose bud and the light hoses. I love it, very useful and works so well.
Thanks 4speed, I to love the torch, I will never go back.
Fantastic job on that vise Randy. Roscoe looked a little worried at first but I think he was pleased with it. I hope your neighbor realizes who he's living next to. Thanks for the video lots of helpful hints there.
Thank you Jim. The neighbor is a good guy. He is in the process of moving here, just sold his home.
Like I said on IG Randy...I know you could save it! It will give good service again for many years with a bit of love. Well done sir.
Parkers, Athol's and Hollands are my favorite old vises. I have a Holland I have literally treated like a rented mule for the past 40 years and it still keeps a going. Some lube and weld the broken foot back on rescued it from the scrap heap all those years back. Cheers
Nice Warren. Thanks
That vise turned out amazing! Enjoyed watching the process.
Thank you Swamp-Fox,
Great save!!Great adVise, too!
Thank you.
Saved another one!
Yep, Took a bit of work, but works great now. Thanks Brian.
I’ve redone quite a few vises in my time they are cast steel you can use regular mig wire FYI.
- cheap vises are cast iron
Charles Parker is a great vise!
Thanks for the update.
Thanks Randy. Nice restoration 😊
Thank you too!
Great job bringing her back to life Randy, I never liked the edge of the table mounting design, I have seen too many broken. I have one down the basement I paid $5 for because the cracked base. Great stuff! 😃👍
Right on John, Thank you, lets get her fixed.
You have to tell them not to use the vice as a press, that's what they make presses for. Bring the part over to use the press not the busted vice to be fixed. My grandpa busted a nice big vice trying to press apart a U-Joint as he did not have a press in his shop, I was just a small kid and when that vice let go it scared the crap out of me, loud as a shotgun and it went flying past me. That traumatized me for years thereafter, finally out grew it and got back in the shop again with grandpa to learn what he knew and that was plenty as he was a machinist up at Mare Island Shipyard from some years before WWII and long after.
For sure John another unintended use. My grandfather and my father were machinist at Mare Island during WWII, My grandmother worked as a security guard there during the war. Thank you John for sharing your great story.
Got any other war stories from them to pass on? (Family history lessons please… :)
The threads on that nut are pretty well worn, with little left of them.
Thanks, not really to bad, It will work for now.,
Nice video Randy, impressive overhaul, there is a lot of work documented here. Love the old stuff reclaimed, cheers!
Thank you Howder, Yep 4 days on this. Well worth the effort.
It's obvious that vise lived a hard life before you had it :)
For sure, Thanks Rusty
Randy, To remove oil from old cast Iron, boil it in a concentrated solution of water and Oakite 32 for 8 to 10 hours. I have used in the past with great success.
Great tip! Thanks.
What if he just used brake cleaner?
Nice repairs on the vise Randy
Thank you Bill. Really happy with the repair.
I was always taught to drill a hole at the end of the crack to eliminate the stress riser or it is more likely to crack again.
Yep I was going to but it would of been more holes than nut. It really needs a complete new nut. Thanks for your thoughts which are correct.
@@RRINTHESHOPIt would be difficult to make a new nut but not impossible of course. Probably the first step would be to make a 3D print of the old nut to get the basic shape and height.
Great rebuild.
Thanks Robert.
Evening Randy 😅 Now I understand your short.
Yep, Thanks Craig.
That is Randy Richard right. I do think I might have seen a little crack on the inner base of the rear jaw. I knew you could tuna fish but I did not know you could tune a nut. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
Thank you Harold, just with the right bait.
I think u did a great job. Might wanna edit out when u flip the vise and go: "eh!..." Which is probably ten minutes altogether. But that is not necessary. I name the vise: Rudolph the rednosed crampgear.
Very well done Randy, it's always good to see a discarded tool rebuilt and put back to work. If people would use heat more often they wouldn't have to beat on stuff! Thanks for the video.
That was an interesting crescent wrench laying on your bench, what is the other end used for?
The vise repairs worked out well, my neighbor is happy. It could use more but no time right now. The wrench is a Bacho, they are very good wrenches, for there size they open farther and are more rigid in the jaws. Here is a link amzn.to/3Y1wVa9.
The end is called a fish tail, it will slip on a hex and grab. the 8" wrench will go up to a 9/16" hex.
Yep more heat. Thanks Jayce for stopping in.
@@RRINTHESHOP That's interesting, thanks for the link.
Hey Randy, this is just a guess but the slope on the vise might be for mounting it in a slot cut out from the bench which will holding the vise to not rotate giving a solid mount to bend stuff in the vise without to put strain on the mounting bolts. Another thing might be that was use outdoor on rail roads or mount on some machine (truck), or a forge leg of some sort.
I like the idea about not rotating and the post leg also. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
Great job
Came out good, Thanks.
Very very good job randy..thanks for your time
thank you Tr, worked out great.
Hey Randy, hope you are doing well.
Chas. Parker vises are a bit of a bear to work on. You did well to find one with pretty decent jaws, as they are very hard to replace the jaws on. The front and rear jaws are not symmetrical to each other. I doubt a machinist of your pedigree would have much trouble ginning up a new set, but us mere mortals very much struggle. IIRC the pins are at two different angles (ft versus rear) as well.
Thanks for the tips! My neighbor was very happy to have it in working order, it has been in his family since new and for his entire life it has been broken, he is 61 now.
"oh the things we get ourselves into". The challenge of what you repair or make for a good neighbor is sometimes overwhelming. I admit I have fixed things for family and friends that tested every bit of resolve I have. once you start you can't stop. Good job saving the old Charles Parker Vise(fyi he was the mfg of the Parker Shotguns)
Thank you Richard. Yep for sure on resolve. i have had the vise on my bench outside for a year then inside for 8 mo. It was it's time to go, I have been trying to wrap up a bunch of projects that have filled the shop.
@@RRINTHESHOP I have tried to let some projects fix themselves and so far none of them have complied!! Go figure!!
@@richardgregory6653 I Blame it on Climate Change.
Nice job.
Thanks Mike.
Aka Randy makes a vise from pieces of cast iron... 😊
Oh cool! Thanks Mick. LOL
In general don’t paint the slide of a vise. Boiled linseed oil is a great protection for the exposed cast iron. You can heat the slide to 400 or do degrees and wipe it on. Will last longer
I will pass that on. thanks.
The angle under the chin is the tell, they were making longer and stronger chins, because a failure in the original design had been noted. Presumably, you cut a bevel into your workbench when mounting it, it's fixed, so who would know.
Thank you Mark for the great info. HNY
Im making a guess but I believe the slanted area on the front bottom of the vise was to be placed in a notch on the holding apparatus (table, bench or stand) to help resist movement forces while the vise was in use.
Thanks, good idea.
Great job Randy. That iron looks a little over heated. When it turns Red, the molecular integrity has been compromised but I highly doubt it will make a minutes difference on a chunk of iron that size. Those older vises are far stronger than the cast vises made today. Did you slow cool the parts after welding? I find it isn't as big of a concern on the nodular iron of old. The fitted jaws on Parker vises are very hard to get right. I try my best to never remove them. Awesome channel.
I had to have it a low glow for the braze to bond, I did cover it to cool and it was 105 outside. For the use it will get it will be ok. Thanks for the great comment.
Had a filling when you picked up that Henrob you would love it. Have you tried the #1 tip and tried welding to alum cans together??? We viewer's won't to see that for sur, hehe! I still remember in 2002 how the vendor sold me on my Hen-Rob, and to this day, alum cans have no fever of ole Bear ever marrying them together 😞. Vice repair was awesome, and praying for Fall to come early for us all! Playing with Neodyimium batteries to build a mag pallet fixturing plate. What's your experience using them? Bear.
Thanks Bear, Very nice torch, great flame control.
Hey there! So I have a Parker no.106-5 with 5” jaws. The plate that holds the “meatball” and handle is not correct for the vise you’ve done. Looks like a bit of hot rolled with a few holes drilled into it. My vise has the same sized collar.
I made a silicone mold of the original one off my vise that is in excellent condition and original piece. “Parker” in raised lettering. I have since cast that mold in fabri-cast resin, carefully filled, sanded and painted the resin casting so it’s back to the original looking condition without any wear marks on the letters and made them a little more proud of the main surface on it. If you’re interested in a resin mold that can be patterned then cast in brass, Alu or iron. please PM me and I’ll send it to you free of charge.
Thank you. I kind of thought it did not look original. Yes I would like to be able to fix this up. Could you email me RRINTHESHOP@GMAIL.COM .
I hate it when my nuts rub. Good job Randy!!
Thanks Ben for the heads up.
Nice repair. Chas. is short for Charles.
Yep. Thanks.
Were you asking everyone if they had something you could braze just so you could use the new torch? How do you like it?
I don't recall asking that. LOL I love the torch, for sure the best torch I have ever used. Great flame control and consistency.
What a busted up old vise, but looks like you’re doing a good repair job. What kind of torch and fuel are you using?
Thank you, Torch link in the description, oxy/Acet.
@@RRINTHESHOP Thanks. I’ve never seen a neutral flame that long. I thought it might be propane or map gas?
I have this same vice, but don't have and can't find the nut for sale anywhere.
I think it is time for a pattern and get cast up. I will start looking into that. Send me your email rrintheshop@gmail.com. I will get back to you .
Looks like someone used a very large hammer in conjunction with that vice...
Thanks, and a long pipe cheater.
How long does it take to get it hot enough? Eventually that nut is going to be all bronze.
The vise just a few min. The nut less than a min. Thanks
The extra washer is because the original collar is gone someone made that replacement
Do you know what the original on looked like? I could make one. Thanks for the info.
@@RRINTHESHOP also there is a great group on the book of faces. “Bench vises forever” lots of great info in there
1:30 no I can't. No light.
Sorry. Thank you.
I don’t like it Randy. Very messy
Randy, Do an advanced google patents search for chas parker vise 1854. They show a mounted vise illustration.
Thanks, I will check that out.