I'm white, and I grew up on all the black family shows. They were about uplifting the black family, but presented for everyone. If it was entertaining and civil, it was making this a better country. Now that legacy is being dragged through the mud in the opposite direction. Sheerly exists to keep people angry. Netflix just lost my business permanently. And I have no more respect for anyone who contributed to it.
@@daviejz6698 Everything is funny to people like you. That's the problem. Don't bother fighting because what's the point huh? People like you are why slavery lasted so long. It doesn't matter if they survive. The point is they won't get your money. You won't be contributing to people disrespecting you. The fact that you don't get that is sad.
What’s ironic is that there were people criticizing the Cosby Show, by saying that the show was unrealistic. Why is it only realistic when it’s dysfunction and struggle in the black community?
Even Archie's Place was a step up/he bought a bar and adopted a child in All in the family's so called reboot, jeez! The Brady Bunch reboot showed the family's growth everyone got married and had children of their own, it showed progress.
They definitely did that to the Brady Bunch in the 90s with a movie. It was slightly raunchy. Definitely different from the wholesome Brady Bunch humor.
He's one of those light-skinned weirdos. Most entertainers in Hollywood are where they are today because they agree to portray whatever weird shat hollyweird wants them to.
Im convinced the drug-dealing baby was Seth MacFarlane's idea. If Family Guy and Cleveland Show taught us anything, it's that he loves his talking baby characters and the nastiest black stereotypes he can think up. I'm quite convinced this one was all him.
At the end they all got out of the ghetto. Thelma married a footballer, Michael went to college, JJ made it big in advertisement, and Walona made manager of the store boutique. They all moved to the richer area of Chicago.
My mom used to say this all the time. She couldn’t stand James’ whining every week. We never knew our father to ever be without a job. We never heard him complaining. He just did what he had to do to provide for the family.
@cynthiabakerwoodard She's wrong. James did have a job- pretty much THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SHOW! He did get laid off occasionally, but that was an accurate reflection of the times. He worked on the docks, and anyone that watched the show would know that. James role was a WORKING FATHER that SUPPORTED, PROVIDED FOR AND PROTECTED HIS FAMILY. In fact, John Amos left the show when the writers wanted to focus more on JJ and his clowning.
@BIGBABYHAIR it wasn’t the issue of the job. It was about ALWAYS whining about it. Millions of black men were in the same predicament all overt the country but not coming home to their families complaining every single night. The role was written, directed, and produced intentionally for him to be seen this way as was his oldest son, JJ’s, role. He eventually left the show because of this after years of advocating for more positive and realistic portrayal of working class black male head-of-households.
@BIGBABYHAIR yep, it’s been so many years, a lot of people may have forgotten because all of us loved the Evans family. We just have to separate that from how the creators intentionally perpetuated a negative portrayal of black men on that show. We won’t tolerate it in the Netflix reprisal. Thanks for responding.
I lived in the suburbs my dad worked in the steel mills in Pittsburgh we didn’t live like that my mom was secretary. I loved Good Times but that wasn’t my life nor was it anyone I knew. I won’t be watching the new series because it an abomination!
I don't watch cartoons that are based on stereotypes of Black people. I certainly don't watch Atlanta Housewives and wives of basketball stars, too much drama and mess. I have Netflix but I've never watched it nor was I aware that such programming was on that channel.
You're SO correct Ms.Boule.We all know Norman Lear who died recently was given so many accolades about shows like this but all he did AS ALWAYS was exploit the BLACK community.
They really wanted Black men to look down and out. James Evans (John Amos). Went from losing his job every day on "Good Times" To being a Slave in Roots. No progression!
Y'all are weird. Y'all complained about Good times. Y'all said you couldn't relate. Then y'all complained about the Cosby show because again you couldn't relate. Newsflash some Black people grew up in the Projects. Some Black people grew up rich. Some grew up in-between. I thought Good times was funny until James was killed off. I also enjoyed the Cosby show. Y'all act like we didn't have a ton of great representation. The 70s, 80s, 90s and early 2000s were great for Black film. I saw Black girls who looked like me on TV. Why do y'all keep focusing on shows y'all had a problem with? Then in the next breathe talk about what all we've accomplished in film. Exhausting.
Yeah wasnt a fan of good times, the name is literally sarcastic itself considering they really always had struggling issues living the projects, not to mention went through losing the dad and penny played by janet who came from an abusive mother before being taken away into good care by willona,, too depressing. the jeffersons were better.
Thank you for making this video. And I'm so tired of non fba people hating on us and then riding our coattails at the same time. She needs to make a Dominican or Puerto Rican (or whatever she is) hood struggle cartoon. F these people.
Thank you, Lady Boule, for that insightful report. My question is, why didn't that Afro-Latina make this reboot around her own community? Surely they want "Good Times." The FBA community does not need this ignorance. Unsubscribe from Netflix!
As an FBA Woman I grew up watching Good Times I loved this show and I still love Good Times, but I will not ever watch this animated show on Netflix peroid. God Bless
If this is supposed to be a family in "one of the last remaining housing projects in Chicago," why are we getting a series about the last group of people who haven't been able to move out?
Excellent commentary! I enjoyed "Good Times" because of the love and family values portrayed. A year before Good Times aired, I graduated from high school with kids who lived in the projects and visited them. Despite the Evans family always scratching and surviving, they remained hopeful and never gave up. They inspired each other because they all had dreams and ambitions and fed off each other. Yeah, every week, it became weary, rooting for them. John Amos had complained about the buffoonery and the character JJ, which was why he was fired and killed off. They were finally moving out of the ghetto. He had found a "good job" down South, and they were packing up and leaving Chicago to join him. They were so excited. Then they received news he had been killed in a car accident. Esther Rolle and James Evans fought for a quality show for Black people. It was the first one on television. The animated series isn't for us or by us. It is about us to other people so that they can laugh at us, too, feeding into demeaning and derogatory stereotypes. Why would they think we would want something like this. Well, we have to take responsibility. Decades later, Black people have cosigned the reboot of continued buffoonery, like Wanda Sykes and basketball player Steph Curry, who is the executive producer! The reboot falls in line with other narratives Netflix largely presents about Black people. I have signed the petition. I hope others do as well.
Lady Boule, you have a common misperception about Good Times I find typical among your age group. Michael was not the only child in the Evans household who was serious about education. Thelma, the sister/middle child, was an honor roll student too. She was supposed to go to the University of Chicago on an academic scholarship. She aspired to be a doctor. She got accepted into an all-girl prep school, but the sorority that wanted to pledge her turned out to be racist. Esther Rolle (Florida Evans) and John Amos (James Evans Sr. ) were wholly against buffoonery. In fact, they often argued with the show's white writers and directors to change things, to create a more dignified image of Black Americans. Esther Rolle fought personally to rewrite the show so that Florida could be married to the father of her children and that the father be present in the household. The show routinely talked about working over sitting up on welfare. The Evans were opposed to and talked against having children out of wedlock, drinking, drugs, and pre-martial (teen) sex. Florida and James were typical of Black parents/people of their era in that they had middle-class leaning values and aspirations especially for their children. Esther Rolle and John Amos complained often about the way that JJ (James Evans Jr) was written in the early years because of their concerns about the character perpetuating stereotypes. JJ's character evolved over the years, so that by the time James Evans Sr. was written off and JJ became the "man of the house" there was definitely a change in him and his thinking. He became a professional working artist who tried to lead others in the right direction. I used to listen to the negative hype about the Amos 'n' Andy Tv series from the early. When I actually watched old tapes of it. I was ashamed of myself for jumping on the bandwagon. The NAACP back then got it wrong, as did a lot of Black folk who were opposed to the show. It was a good show, and it gave a range of Black people so that you saw in it, Black people from all walks of life. From the unemployed and hustling to white collar professionals e.g., judges, doctors, opera singers, professors, police officers etc. It was representative of Black America then and bow.
@@ladyboule I meant no offense by the age/generational comment; my apologies. I haven't seen the animated reboot. I don't think it is necessary either for Black America. The original 1970s version is classic and iconic. It is the definitive version.
You can't be serious. You can't possibly be serious. Norman Lear's 70s Good Times was a terrible show. It was meant to demoralize black folks and maintain a low _caste_ identity.
@@stephencarter744 You are entitled to your opinion. You didn't like it, you didn't like. Fine. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of Black Americans loved it. Norman Lear was also responsible for The Jeffersons. I am no Norman Lear fan, but it is a stretch to say that he or Good Times was meant demoralize black folks etc. The Jeffersons and Good Times were on TV at the same time. The Jeffersons started as a show of its own in 1975, whereas Good Times started in 1974. The former lasted 10 years, whereas the latter lasted 5.
@@v.a.993 Nah, I don't need a timeline for the two shows. Btw The Jeffersons bordered on 🦝-ery as well. Obviously I'm entitled to my opinion. _Your_ opinion is simply WRONG. A lot of people love the white sugar that was pushed in our foods, consequently there is a very serious type two diabetes epidemic (not to mention obesity) in the black community. 'Good Times' was never greatly loved in a demoralized black community, it was tolerated because of a strong desire to see ourselves on TV. Not unlike with Amos & Andy a few generations prior. Good Time was LOW CASTE identity reinforcement. It had the effect of lowering our expectations of ourselves and dehumanizing black folks to other ethnic groups. It helped normalized the idea of the unemployed black father, than the absent (dead) black father, then the single black mother and an unserious young black man in the form of *Kid "clap" ...DYNOMITE!!!* . You mentioned this Queen's generation, well I'm not sure what generation _you_ speak for, but it's less a question of generation, than a question of critical analysis/ thinking and IQ. You either get it, or you don't. If you don't get it, you are condemned to existing as an *American Dalit* (the lowest of caste), and laugh about it, while other ethnicities move on.
I appreciate you telling us the perspective of viewers who watched the show when it aired. I've seen a few episodes on one of the retro television channels, and I never really got into it like I did The Jeffersons. The few times I did, I was always disgusted by the father. I'm pretty positive I remember him gambling away the rent money! I don't think us griping will do anything. Black writers working in the industry say they're told they don't know what they're talking about when trying to explain what Black people want to see. On top of that, a lot of shows "aimed" at us, usually have a mostly white or non-Black demographic watching. It's them having a laugh watching us acting a fool. I noticed this in music, too - especially when doing a mini-dive into the history of hip hop.There's no incentive for white-male-led production companies to give us writing that's inspirational or escapism. They have the Black Americans who will support because they don't see the damage, the ones who will support to help out the actors (you know we love to do that), and the non-Black Americans who want to make fun of us for a laugh. Also, we've been noticing this for a while, but the non-Black American Blacks have been telling our stories and they shouldn't. And they should have the respect not to. They sometimes believe in the stereotypes more than other groups do (I'm not saying all), and have a habit of engaging with us in the same way. Staking claim on history or cultural music and practices, using our support for a come-up then throwing us away, taking spaces meant for us, and coming into our places where we congregate to 'cause trouble and talk down on us. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone talking about our culture, but it's all stereotypes. Then they'll argue when you explain that, and do it while wearing the clothes and acting like the stereotype they're looking down upon.
I'm sorry but hers is not the general consensus of all of us who are old enough to have watched the original. And the values of excellence the show tried to convey were not lost on all of us.
They did the same thing with the remake of Scooby Doo staring Velma. Shaggy was a Black Drug Dealer. I've watched Scooby Doo from its start 1969. Shaggy looked like a Weed Head from the beginning when he was White but they didn't show it. He looked like he was from the Trailer Park, but they didn't show it. As soon as I saw the preview of the Awful Reboot of Good Times I went on Netflix and automatically gave it two thumbs down.
Do what? The show was already a parody/satire. You do know the show was created to be a parody the Cosby show and the Bundy family was supposed to be black. The reason they were made them white because of the backlash of GoodTimes.
@@stewrobb2329ironically the bundy's lived in moderate house in a middle class neighborhood despite Ted being a shoe salesman which is peculiar, mall shoe salesmen don't make that kind of money? Or maybe a specific demographic were able to afford home ownership with marginal jobs. And before you say this was fictional show, idk growing up many a clear friend's parent who worked non managerial jobs atsears, penny's or k-mart all seemed able to own homes....hmmm. sometimes fiction reveal truths.
The sad irony and sad thing about Good Times is that a lot of our race think that the show better than Amos And Andy which was before my times but after seeing reruns of Amos and Andy,i do not see any progress.King Fish and Andy didn`t have a job and neither did James on Good Times.
@@QatazayahYasharal right and when James wanted to take the Alaskan pipeline job, Florida said no. In the 70s the Alaskan pipeline was a huge deal and working on it paid good. But, I understood where Florida was coming from. She was afraid to go to Alaska with the kids. In real life, mostly single men went to work on the pipeline.
😂😂😂Through no fault of my own, back in the day, living in the projects, after watching Good Times, when I reached 17 years of age, I got the hell out of the projects and never looked back. Living large now. I will not be watching that nonsense.
Oh yes, Good Times was a very depressing show. It depicted a poor black family struggling to make ends meet in the Chicago Housing Projects. Coincidentally, I was living in the Windy City with my brother who had just got out of the army when the show first aired. It was an obsolete show with no relevance to modern day black people even back in 1974. The guys were more interested in seeing Thelma on the show. She was built like a battle ship. The Good Times show was, ipso facto, bad, an insult, a stereotype to black Americans. We had and have come too far to be projected as failures in society. Of course, in the 70’s was a hard decade for Americans and especially for black Americans. I guess it can be a teaching point for everyone.
The original show had issues Jimmy Walker was a Buffoon and they wrote out the strong black father. I had no explanations that this adaptation would be any better. You can't make a silk purse out of a Sows ear.
I will give the first episode a chance just to see what direction it’s going in. I remember how a lot of people dogged The Book of Clarence based on the trailer and assumptions. That movie flopped due to lack of support but turned out the messaging was actually very positive and nothing like people thought it would be. To each their own.
Great video coverage Queen 👑 The black needs to boycott this mess. Good times was offensive then and its offensive today! Why didn't the Latino or white version of Good times? You'll never see it
Yep! It appears that our people are going backwards. When I seen the coming attraction I was highly insulted. Those individuals that signed up for this should be ashamed of themselves. smh.
I canceled my trial subscription 5yrs ago...along with the showrunner who else do we need to contact directly to voice our objections...are petitions still being circulated...?
Narrative is clear & reveals a present danger to how black people are viewed Now hopefully you understand the reasons Latinos from all over are encouraged in usa & make America bilingual
If it was a true reboot, the Evans' grandkids would be living nice. JJ ended up being the top cartoon artist with Dynowoman, Thelma's husband Keith played for the Chicago Bears, and Michael went to law school, I believe and he would've been a lawyer. This is a travesty.
I plan to watch it. It reminds me a lot of Lascars in terms of the art style and sorta energy in the trailer. I’m going to give the show a shot. I can tell you what I think about it afterwards provided that I remember. I like your video because you are keeping it real in terms of the original show not being really that different from what they’re showing in this show. I think the thing about shows like this is that things that are issues in this show are still issues in real life for many black people across the country. If the representations upset folk then maybe they should look to see if their own lives are in order and look to see what they can do to help others get out of that cycle of dysfunction.
Haven’t seen the show,but this reminds me of “The PJ’s” stop motion animation show late 90’s. I hated that show to the core,too insulting for me to watch!
To me the cosby show and fresh prince of bel air was inspiring. Good times had alot of great points in the show, it made me grow more even until today😊
This show needs to be cancelled immediately!!! Also, someone needs to go to Disney and force them to cancel Family Guy because Seth McFarlane is involved on this shit show!!!!
I think the closest they came to rebooting a poor white family is the Conners. But that was Roseanne trying to reboot her own show/comedy. Even if they wanted to tell an updated show of a black family in the projects, why the drug dealing, sexual baby? The show could still go weird with fantastical or exaggerated things happening, but the baby was a red flag for me. I figured it would just be stereotypes with some social commentary thrown in and forgotten.
I think they need to be respectful of remaking these shows. Drug dealing babies isn’t cute. Sounds like it’s not family oriented. Another Family Guy situation
If Netflix dont pull it. Black Americans should all cancel the subscription to Netflix
I'm about to cancel because tired of the app being slow then kicking me out.
I'm white, and I grew up on all the black family shows. They were about uplifting the black family, but presented for everyone. If it was entertaining and civil, it was making this a better country. Now that legacy is being dragged through the mud in the opposite direction. Sheerly exists to keep people angry. Netflix just lost my business permanently. And I have no more respect for anyone who contributed to it.
I canceled mine!!!!
If Netflix can survive the Cuties boycott they can survive a boycott over this. lol.
@@daviejz6698 Everything is funny to people like you. That's the problem. Don't bother fighting because what's the point huh? People like you are why slavery lasted so long.
It doesn't matter if they survive. The point is they won't get your money. You won't be contributing to people disrespecting you.
The fact that you don't get that is sad.
That's not a reboot, that's a catastrophe.
Lol. I'm with you.
I agree
This minstrel show needs to go! Shame on all involved.
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@@mflournoy2971indeed, Uncle Ramis is less offensive.
@@beauwalker9820 Yes. At least Uncle Remus had a little dignity.
Well said
What’s ironic is that there were people criticizing the Cosby Show, by saying that the show was unrealistic. Why is it only realistic when it’s dysfunction and struggle in the black community?
They would never do this with All in the Family or The Brady Bunch.
50 years and nothing changes. It’s sad and racist people must be involved.
Even Archie's Place was a step up/he bought a bar and adopted a child in All in the family's so called reboot, jeez! The Brady Bunch reboot showed the family's growth everyone got married and had children of their own, it showed progress.
@@marieford7787 and most of us have never heard of it
They definitely did that to the Brady Bunch in the 90s with a movie. It was slightly raunchy. Definitely different from the wholesome Brady Bunch humor.
Boycott this crap and Netflix now!🙄😡😤🤬🤷🏾♀️😎
I don't have Netflix but I'll be happy to boycott this POS
Stephen Curry also a Producer with This Nonsense he too needs to be called out
Him, Wanda Sykes, the streamer chick or whatever... even Seth MacFarlane. This just proves these people wanna see the world burn from a high tower.
Damn! Steph produced this nonsense 🤬. He's out of touch 4sure, his family never lived like that, so insulting. 😢
Wow. So disappointing to hear this . Would be interesting to hear his thoughts on this travesty. Don’t see how he could defend it.
He's one of those light-skinned weirdos. Most entertainers in Hollywood are where they are today because they agree to portray whatever weird shat hollyweird wants them to.
Im convinced the drug-dealing baby was Seth MacFarlane's idea. If Family Guy and Cleveland Show taught us anything, it's that he loves his talking baby characters and the nastiest black stereotypes he can think up. I'm quite convinced this one was all him.
And where is the Cleveland show now
Rollo.hasnt spoken a word since he been on family guy
At the end they all got out of the ghetto. Thelma married a footballer, Michael went to college, JJ made it big in advertisement, and Walona made manager of the store boutique. They all moved to the richer area of Chicago.
Norman Lear was a true thief and may he burn in hell for stealing ideas from Black writers such as Eric Monte and Mike Evans.
I ABSOLUTELY agree with you fight 4 Blaque.
👏👏👏👏👏
Eric in a shelter right now
@@chrisedwards3214 I wonder why
I was MAD when I saw the pictures of the “so called” cartoon.
I’m not watching this foolishness 🤦🏽♀️
Me either.
I heard there was a petition, I’m going to try to find it and sign it!
@@PrettyBones-ho4rqMe too
We need to call them out
What does that mean
It means pointing out on their BS.@@Ithibrahhh
My mom used to say this all the time. She couldn’t stand James’ whining every week. We never knew our father to ever be without a job. We never heard him complaining. He just did what he had to do to provide for the family.
@cynthiabakerwoodard
She's wrong. James did have a job- pretty much THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SHOW!
He did get laid off occasionally, but that was an accurate reflection of the times.
He worked on the docks, and anyone that watched the show would know that.
James role was a WORKING FATHER that SUPPORTED, PROVIDED FOR AND PROTECTED HIS FAMILY.
In fact, John Amos left the show when the writers wanted to focus more on JJ and his clowning.
@BIGBABYHAIR it wasn’t the issue of the job. It was about ALWAYS whining about it. Millions of black men were in the same predicament all overt the country but not coming home to their families complaining every single night. The role was written, directed, and produced intentionally for him to be seen this way as was his oldest son, JJ’s, role. He eventually left the show because of this after years of advocating for more positive and realistic portrayal of working class black male head-of-households.
@BIGBABYHAIR yep, it’s been so many years, a lot of people may have forgotten because all of us loved the Evans family. We just have to separate that from how the creators intentionally perpetuated a negative portrayal of black men on that show. We won’t tolerate it in the Netflix reprisal. Thanks for responding.
I lived in the suburbs my dad worked in the steel mills in Pittsburgh we didn’t live like that my mom was secretary. I loved Good Times but that wasn’t my life nor was it anyone I knew. I won’t be watching the new series because it an abomination!
I don't watch cartoons that are based on stereotypes of Black people. I certainly don't watch Atlanta Housewives and wives of basketball stars, too much drama and mess. I have Netflix but I've never watched it nor was I aware that such programming was on that channel.
You're SO correct Ms.Boule.We all know Norman Lear who died recently was given so many accolades about shows like this but all he did AS ALWAYS was exploit the BLACK community.
Seth Mc Farland and Wanda Sykes are both shameless! It's a minstrel show!
The Jeffersons was also a shining image of black prosperity
Way better than so " good times"
Also a different world was a great sitcom and Roc.
ROC was brilliant!
Roc was so underrated, but it was so good.
I signed the petition
Much respect to you. ❤
Where do I sign it?
@@Ubothered probably have to google it. I saw it on Twitter/X if that helps.
Can you imagine what a cartoon reboot of Sanford and Son would be like?
OH Hayle naw!!
Please no ideas!
No!
They really wanted Black men to look down and out. James Evans (John Amos). Went from losing his job every day on "Good Times" To being a Slave in Roots. No progression!
And then he owned his own McDowell's
Y'all are weird. Y'all complained about Good times. Y'all said you couldn't relate. Then y'all complained about the Cosby show because again you couldn't relate.
Newsflash some Black people grew up in the Projects. Some Black people grew up rich. Some grew up in-between.
I thought Good times was funny until James was killed off.
I also enjoyed the Cosby show.
Y'all act like we didn't have a ton of great representation. The 70s, 80s, 90s and early 2000s were great for Black film.
I saw Black girls who looked like me on TV. Why do y'all keep focusing on shows y'all had a problem with?
Then in the next breathe talk about what all we've accomplished in film. Exhausting.
@@crystalsthefutureempress If it's exhausting. Stop breathing!
@@crystalsthefutureempress i agree
Look at the clownish stereotypes in the comments section fighting to keep these filth on our screens.
Judging by the universal reaction from our community, this show is over before it even begins.
I'm not watching and neither are my kids.
"WORSE THAN BEBE'$ KIDS"
Always considered the Cosby show as the true first Black show. It was written and produced by black
Why did Bill Cosby have to ruin it
Yeah wasnt a fan of good times, the name is literally sarcastic itself considering they really always had struggling issues living the projects, not to mention went through losing the dad and penny played by janet who came from an abusive mother before being taken away into good care by willona,, too depressing. the jeffersons were better.
@@chromesthesiaWhy are you trying to be important?
@@leonakinglion3210 😁😸
They always try, & paint us in a negative light ughh. Tired of this.
Thanks for this explanation. This reboot will be shameful.
Thank you for making this video. And I'm so tired of non fba people hating on us and then riding our coattails at the same time. She needs to make a Dominican or Puerto Rican (or whatever she is) hood struggle cartoon. F these people.
Drug dealing infant son? Wow...just wow!
Thank you, Lady Boule, for that insightful report. My question is, why didn't that Afro-Latina make this reboot around her own community? Surely they want "Good Times." The FBA community does not need this ignorance. Unsubscribe from Netflix!
OUTRAGEOUS!!!
My reaction was the same as Lady Eloise from Boomerang after seeing the new ad commercial!!
As an FBA Woman I grew up watching Good Times I loved this show and I still love Good Times, but I will not ever watch this animated show on Netflix peroid. God Bless
If this is supposed to be a family in "one of the last remaining housing projects in Chicago," why are we getting a series about the last group of people who haven't been able to move out?
Eyes bucking is all I need to know 🙄
Excellent commentary! I enjoyed "Good Times" because of the love and family values portrayed. A year before Good Times aired, I graduated from high school with kids who lived in the projects and visited them. Despite the Evans family always scratching and surviving, they remained hopeful and never gave up. They inspired each other because they all had dreams and ambitions and fed off each other. Yeah, every week, it became weary, rooting for them. John Amos had complained about the buffoonery and the character JJ, which was why he was fired and killed off. They were finally moving out of the ghetto. He had found a "good job" down South, and they were packing up and leaving Chicago to join him. They were so excited. Then they received news he had been killed in a car accident. Esther Rolle and James Evans fought for a quality show for Black people. It was the first one on television. The animated series isn't for us or by us. It is about us to other people so that they can laugh at us, too, feeding into demeaning and derogatory stereotypes. Why would they think we would want something like this. Well, we have to take responsibility. Decades later, Black people have cosigned the reboot of continued buffoonery, like Wanda Sykes and basketball player Steph Curry, who is the executive producer! The reboot falls in line with other narratives Netflix largely presents about Black people. I have signed the petition. I hope others do as well.
Lady Boule, you have a common misperception about Good Times I find typical among your age group. Michael was not the only child in the Evans household who was serious about education. Thelma, the sister/middle child, was an honor roll student too. She was supposed to go to the University of Chicago on an academic scholarship. She aspired to be a doctor. She got accepted into an all-girl prep school, but the sorority that wanted to pledge her turned out to be racist. Esther Rolle (Florida Evans) and John Amos (James Evans Sr. ) were wholly against buffoonery.
In fact, they often argued with the show's white writers and directors to change things, to create a more dignified image of Black Americans. Esther Rolle fought personally to rewrite the show so that Florida could be married to the father of her children and that the father be present in the household. The show routinely talked about working over sitting up on welfare. The Evans were opposed to and talked against having children out of wedlock, drinking, drugs, and pre-martial (teen) sex.
Florida and James were typical of Black parents/people of their era in that they had middle-class leaning values and aspirations especially for their children. Esther Rolle and John Amos complained often about the way that JJ (James Evans Jr) was written in the early years because of their concerns about the character perpetuating stereotypes. JJ's character evolved over the years, so that by the time James Evans Sr. was written off and JJ became the "man of the house" there was definitely a change in him and his thinking. He became a professional working artist who tried to lead others in the right direction.
I used to listen to the negative hype about the Amos 'n' Andy Tv series from the early. When I actually watched old tapes of it. I was ashamed of myself for jumping on the bandwagon. The NAACP back then got it wrong, as did a lot of Black folk who were opposed to the show. It was a good show, and it gave a range of Black people so that you saw in it, Black people from all walks of life. From the unemployed and hustling to white collar professionals e.g., judges, doctors, opera singers, professors, police officers etc. It was representative of Black America then and bow.
Regardless, Black America doesn't need a remake; my opinion age included. Lol.
@@ladyboule I meant no offense by the age/generational comment; my apologies. I haven't seen the animated reboot. I don't think it is necessary either for Black America. The original 1970s version is classic and iconic. It is the definitive version.
You can't be serious. You can't possibly be serious. Norman Lear's 70s Good Times was a terrible show. It was meant to demoralize black folks and maintain a low _caste_ identity.
@@stephencarter744 You are entitled to your opinion. You didn't like it, you didn't like. Fine. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of Black Americans loved it. Norman Lear was also responsible for The Jeffersons. I am no Norman Lear fan, but it is a stretch to say that he or Good Times was meant demoralize black folks etc. The Jeffersons and Good Times were on TV at the same time. The Jeffersons started as a show of its own in 1975, whereas Good Times started in 1974. The former lasted 10 years, whereas the latter lasted 5.
@@v.a.993 Nah, I don't need a timeline for the two shows. Btw The Jeffersons bordered on 🦝-ery as well. Obviously I'm entitled to my opinion. _Your_ opinion is simply WRONG.
A lot of people love the white sugar that was pushed in our foods, consequently there is a very serious type two diabetes epidemic (not to mention obesity) in the black community.
'Good Times' was never greatly loved in a demoralized black community, it was tolerated because of a strong desire to see ourselves on TV. Not unlike with Amos & Andy a few generations prior.
Good Time was LOW CASTE identity reinforcement. It had the effect of lowering our expectations of ourselves and dehumanizing black folks to other ethnic groups.
It helped normalized the idea of the unemployed black father, than the absent (dead) black father, then the single black mother and an unserious young black man in the form of
*Kid "clap" ...DYNOMITE!!!* .
You mentioned this Queen's generation, well I'm not sure what generation _you_ speak for, but it's less a question of generation, than a question of critical analysis/ thinking and IQ.
You either get it, or you don't. If you don't get it, you are condemned to existing as an *American Dalit* (the lowest of caste), and laugh about it, while other ethnicities move on.
OMG! Pls tell me this is an April fools joke smh.🙄
WHAT! Why do we need to see more like this?
BOYCOTT
Lady Boule, I think that the trailer was enough for me. Thank God I don't have Netflix.
I appreciate you telling us the perspective of viewers who watched the show when it aired. I've seen a few episodes on one of the retro television channels, and I never really got into it like I did The Jeffersons. The few times I did, I was always disgusted by the father. I'm pretty positive I remember him gambling away the rent money!
I don't think us griping will do anything. Black writers working in the industry say they're told they don't know what they're talking about when trying to explain what Black people want to see. On top of that, a lot of shows "aimed" at us, usually have a mostly white or non-Black demographic watching. It's them having a laugh watching us acting a fool. I noticed this in music, too - especially when doing a mini-dive into the history of hip hop.There's no incentive for white-male-led production companies to give us writing that's inspirational or escapism. They have the Black Americans who will support because they don't see the damage, the ones who will support to help out the actors (you know we love to do that), and the non-Black Americans who want to make fun of us for a laugh.
Also, we've been noticing this for a while, but the non-Black American Blacks have been telling our stories and they shouldn't. And they should have the respect not to. They sometimes believe in the stereotypes more than other groups do (I'm not saying all), and have a habit of engaging with us in the same way. Staking claim on history or cultural music and practices, using our support for a come-up then throwing us away, taking spaces meant for us, and coming into our places where we congregate to 'cause trouble and talk down on us. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone talking about our culture, but it's all stereotypes. Then they'll argue when you explain that, and do it while wearing the clothes and acting like the stereotype they're looking down upon.
I'm sorry but hers is not the general consensus of all of us who are old enough to have watched the original. And the values of excellence the show tried to convey were not lost on all of us.
Yes ma'am PREACH!📚💯💐👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
That’s another show I won’t be watching. A drug-dealing infant? Really?
I won’t watch this mess!
Thanks for the heads up.
I totally agree with your assessment.
Thanks for the video!
50 Years Of Scratchin’ And Surviving Good Times..Good Lord!
The show is TRASH! Straight disrespect to Our people.
And it hasn't been aired yet just say I'll pass
They did the same thing with the remake of Scooby Doo staring Velma. Shaggy was a Black Drug Dealer. I've watched Scooby Doo from its start 1969. Shaggy looked like a Weed Head from the beginning when he was White but they didn't show it. He looked like he was from the Trailer Park, but they didn't show it. As soon as I saw the preview of the Awful Reboot of Good Times I went on Netflix and automatically gave it two thumbs down.
Imagine a PJ'S reboot, or a Fat Albert reboot. Hell, a Bebe's Kids reboot. Just create something new, reboots like this shouldn't be greenlit
Obnoxious, Tacky, Distasteful, Disturbing....disappointed in the people that participated in this
It's basically Amos and Andy all over again.
Thank you for looking into this. Why did the black actors agree to this. Seth McFarland shame Absolutely disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!😮
Couldn't they do this with Married With Children???
Do what? The show was already a parody/satire.
You do know the show was created to be a parody the Cosby show and the Bundy family was supposed to be black.
The reason they were made them white because of the backlash of GoodTimes.
@@stewrobb2329ironically the bundy's lived in moderate house in a middle class neighborhood despite Ted being a shoe salesman which is peculiar, mall shoe salesmen don't make that kind of money? Or maybe a specific demographic were able to afford home ownership with marginal jobs. And before you say this was fictional show, idk growing up many a clear friend's parent who worked non managerial jobs atsears, penny's or k-mart all seemed able to own homes....hmmm. sometimes fiction reveal truths.
Where is the petition against airing this show. I will definitely sign!!!!
They always want to down play the black family. That cartoon needs to be banned
I'm sure there are some copyright issues involved. They could have at least changed the name to Hood Times or something else.
The sad irony and sad thing about Good Times is that a lot of our race think that the show better than Amos And Andy which was before my times but after seeing reruns of Amos and Andy,i do not see any progress.King Fish and Andy didn`t have a job and neither did James on Good Times.
James worked but he was always being let go and laid off. Never anything consistent nor long term.
@@QatazayahYasharal right and when James wanted to take the Alaskan pipeline job, Florida said no. In the 70s the Alaskan pipeline was a huge deal and working on it paid good. But, I understood where Florida was coming from. She was afraid to go to Alaska with the kids. In real life, mostly single men went to work on the pipeline.
The family actually got out of the projects in the end
@@v.a.993I remember men going up there to work. I bring that up from time to time.
I was waiting for your opinion this whole time! I know you probably watched every episode of the original live too!
Stephen Curry from the Warriors is an executive producer
😂😂😂Through no fault of my own, back in the day, living in the projects, after watching Good Times, when I reached 17 years of age, I got the hell out of the projects and never looked back. Living large now. I will not be watching that nonsense.
Oh yes, Good Times was a very depressing show. It depicted a poor black family struggling to make ends meet in the Chicago Housing Projects. Coincidentally, I was living in the Windy City with my brother who had just got out of the army when the show first aired. It was an obsolete show with no relevance to modern day black people even back in 1974. The guys were more interested in seeing Thelma on the show. She was built like a battle ship. The Good Times show was, ipso facto, bad, an insult, a stereotype to black Americans. We had and have come too far to be projected as failures in society. Of course, in the 70’s was a hard decade for Americans and especially for black Americans. I guess it can be a teaching point for everyone.
The original show had issues Jimmy Walker was a Buffoon and they wrote out the strong black father. I had no explanations that this adaptation would be any better. You can't make a silk purse out of a Sows ear.
Always making fun of a black woman.
Not surprised by the actors who are doing the voices...esp wanda sykes
Well said...
I will give the first episode a chance just to see what direction it’s going in. I remember how a lot of people dogged The Book of Clarence based on the trailer and assumptions. That movie flopped due to lack of support but turned out the messaging was actually very positive and nothing like people thought it would be. To each their own.
Great video coverage Queen 👑 The black needs to boycott this mess. Good times was offensive then and its offensive today!
Why didn't the Latino or white version of Good times? You'll never see it
It's their, story.
It's everyone's, story.
I probably won't watch it unless I get someone to watch it with me, or if I watch a reviewer do reactions/breakdowns with full clips...
Yep! It appears that our people are going backwards. When I seen the coming attraction I was highly insulted. Those individuals that signed up for this should be ashamed of themselves. smh.
Still Watching it.
Good for you.
I canceled my trial subscription 5yrs ago...along with the showrunner who else do we need to contact directly to voice our objections...are petitions still being circulated...?
Damn!
What the hell no this is not the good times I remember
I canceled my Netflix membership. I hope many other people will do the same
Narrative is clear & reveals a present danger to how black people are viewed
Now hopefully you understand the reasons Latinos from all over are encouraged in usa & make America bilingual
Stinks of Seth MacFarlane
They would have never done a reboot of "The Beverly Hillbillies" as a broke white family.
If it was a true reboot, the Evans' grandkids would be living nice. JJ ended up being the top cartoon artist with Dynowoman, Thelma's husband Keith played for the Chicago Bears, and Michael went to law school, I believe and he would've been a lawyer. This is a travesty.
Buffoonery you are spot on
Most can get a job. That's different from wanting a job......
As soon as THIS withered old truck implied that the FATHER was the problem, I knew all I needed to know about this channel. B1.
I plan to watch it. It reminds me a lot of Lascars in terms of the art style and sorta energy in the trailer. I’m going to give the show a shot. I can tell you what I think about it afterwards provided that I remember. I like your video because you are keeping it real in terms of the original show not being really that different from what they’re showing in this show. I think the thing about shows like this is that things that are issues in this show are still issues in real life for many black people across the country. If the representations upset folk then maybe they should look to see if their own lives are in order and look to see what they can do to help others get out of that cycle of dysfunction.
Haven’t seen the show,but this reminds me of “The PJ’s” stop motion animation show late 90’s. I hated that show to the core,too insulting for me to watch!
Thelma married well and moved everyone out of the hood, but they're back again? 🤦🏾♀️🤷🏿♀️🤢🤮
Their excuse is probably going to be that they're competing the newer animated series with the likes of family guy, with the drug dealing baby
*Megatron Voice* You fail me once again, Netflix.
We honestly should have been done with netflix after that whole "Cuties" mess.
To me the cosby show and fresh prince of bel air was inspiring. Good times had alot of great points in the show, it made me grow more even until today😊
They gave Lois clothes to the mother, again, then the paraphillic, parasocial babies, again?
I disagree about Michael being the only one with intelligence,Bernadette Stanis was VERY mature and ambitious.
Her character was a straight "A" student, and her goal was to be a doctor.
SMH LB,next?
This show needs to be cancelled immediately!!! Also, someone needs to go to Disney and force them to cancel Family Guy because Seth McFarlane is involved on this shit show!!!!
I'M BLACK AND WILL NOT BE WATCHING THAT HORRIBLE SHOW!
It's just downright disrespectful. But of course, that was the intention.
JJ was basically 🤓 Steve Erkle without glasses
I think the closest they came to rebooting a poor white family is the Conners. But that was Roseanne trying to reboot her own show/comedy. Even if they wanted to tell an updated show of a black family in the projects, why the drug dealing, sexual baby? The show could still go weird with fantastical or exaggerated things happening, but the baby was a red flag for me. I figured it would just be stereotypes with some social commentary thrown in and forgotten.
I think they need to be respectful of remaking these shows. Drug dealing babies isn’t cute. Sounds like it’s not family oriented. Another Family Guy situation