Anduin Cutscene: ua-cam.com/video/UHHj5AXdPs0/v-deo.html The Queens Gift Cutscene: ua-cam.com/video/YGwHyHJxnFw/v-deo.html Everything new in patch 9.2.5: ua-cam.com/video/YhPJoUCHs8M/v-deo.html DRAGONRIDING: ua-cam.com/video/ypocJDAq_Jw/v-deo.html
Honestly the Margrave brings up a good point about necromancy not necessarily needing death magic, after all we have seen the Drust use life magic for its necromancy for a couple of expansions now.
@@LeystTV Come to think of it in hindsight, weren't there also cases of fel necromancy as well? Like there was Felmyst in the Sunwell raid as well as random sketal fel mobs in Legion and WoD zones.
I feel so estatic and exhilirating to see Margrave voice that so deep, dark yet melodious. That combination makes me think like being a Lich is very cool and dominating. I will very excited if there is VRMMO RPG that have Lich as part of the Undead Race. I wish for that to happen in our era.
I DEMMAND that Calia Saying "the toxicity is...overwhelming" becomes a meme xd I admit that im not the biggest fan of Calia, but im not as wild as some Sylvanas simps who will just not give Calia a chance at all! somehow that dialogue feels perfect for her xD
Well I understand why you wouldn't gove Calia a chance. She's an ally, she never pledged allegiance to the Horde and if it comes to a conflict she will absolutely stand for the Alliance. She has no right to sit on the War Council. Just let Lilian Voss take over.
@@Mediados Lillian Voss and Calia both work to together as the new leaders of the Forsaken. I assume there leadership will be like a Makoto/Ei leadership Where one would be a public face and the only known leader (Most likely Calia) and the other will work behind the scenes.
@@roxxin75 Yeah but that is kind of a problem. If we go to war with the Alliance again, and we will at some point, she will not be on the Horde side no matter how much she claims to be a Forsaken. She will crawl back to Turalyon and reveal critical Horde intel to the enemy, which is why I think she has nothing to do in an important position.
@@Mediados If that kind of plot happens it could be interesting doe, she would be divided between factions, and her allegiances, plus... I don't think she would hold much influence or power as people thing, Mostly I think she will hang out with Alonsus Faol and try to bring some religious peace/identity to the forsaken
I played a lot of Shadowlands but somehow missed this patch, I'm glad I saw this as I always wondered about Undercity. Always considered it my characters home (as one of the Forsaken) hope they do something with it.
Seems more like Calia isn't a light made undead, she is a resurrected person who is controlled by the light. Sure, her heart doesn't beat, but that's just to complete the costume so she is more relatable to the Forsaken.
I'm all for Calia. The forsaken have been genetic and very samey since wc3. While orcs, humans, tauren and dwarves went different leaders, giving them different outlooks. Forsaken though have been the same, genetic 'token bad guy' race. Maybe if they had someone like Calia giving some alternative outlook I might find the forsaken interesting
Im glad they want to form a council but when sylvanas returns from the maw she will always in my eyes be the banshee queen and the true leader of the forsaken.
The lick of shadowlands is right remember guldan use fel power to rise death knights in the second war and kelthuzar I suspect in the beginning used arcane power to raise death until he met lick king because he was in dalaran making experiments and raising death but he was a mage still and he got kick out and after it he find the lick king
The only thing I disliked about this questline was the "Necromancy is Necromancy" line. It implies every school of magic can create undead when in the original lore it was Shadow with Necrolytes, Fel, and Death with Necromancers that was originally misconstrued as arcane magic by the Kirin Tor. Calia is a weird exception to the rule where, despite having the power of Alonsus Faol, Anduin Wrynn, and a Naaru, she was made undead instead of resurrected, but the Light has never once worked well with the Undead beyond her. I'll be honest in saying it takes the uniqueness out of Death magic if every school can perform the same rituals with different magic empowering it. Hope there's some greater clarification on why Calia is Undead beyond story reasons and Sin'dane's phrasing down the line
i think it is like how we can use water to cut steel and create a fire when mixed with an alcaline metal it is not the normal behavior, it is not usually supposed to happen, and when we use water we don't expect it to create fire, but it is very much doable necromancy is the control of death, i think that it is being treated here like an school and not a power, more like engineering instead of just energy we know the shadowmoon clan can make undead out of shadow and void, and we know the legion could make undead with fel and unholy
Specifically the Margrave said what can Fuel Necromancy. Necromancy is an art (raising people from the dead), the power behind it is the medium. Some art work just do better with different mediums; death and/or shadow probably do well for Necromancy. We've seen how Light and/or Nature magic can do the same as fuel but are they as effective? Think of the realms in shadowlands they are kind of divided in Light (Kyrian), Nature (Ardenweald), Necrolord (Death), and Venthyr (Shadow) but do any of these forms not deal in or with death? But their canvasses are different looking. Rigid thinking is just not natural :).
Tbh I wonder if it can be said for *Brother's Sins* Arthas mostly have a good intention and he is pretty much that is got betrayed and got lost in a way with nobody to help him....... Uther and Jaina left him and refused to listen and reason with him.
Arthas' Sister who abdicated the throne before the fall of Lordaeron. disappeared to parts unknown, believed to have had a kid (mystery there), showed up in Before the Storm as a major reason for Anduin to push for the whole mess of a meeting in Arathi... got a big head and decided to try rallying the forsaken present against Sylvanas and taking them into Alliance protection (failed) and got herself killed in the process. Raised as some weird holy undead that is so far a unique existence and she's been shoved into the story trying to find her place as part of the forsaken for 'reasons'
Lilian vos is right her father and her best friends got crazy to be in scarlet crusade and they were trying to kill her she didnt have a choice to kill then to survive in calia his brother arthas killed them all got crazy and manipulated by death itself and calia run away for fear and dark rangers too they were rejected by quelthalas they are all the same
The Dark Rangers were never turned away.. But, when Sylvanas broke free frmo Arthas's hold over her and when she first broke free her scream freed a lot of the special undead elf troopers that Arthas's was creating so she accidently freed them and then would later on find this innate power furthermore.. That being said she did not free them all cause you kill a large portion of the San'Layn in Ice Crown Citadel.. In return for her freeing them and the fact that a lot of them follower her in life anyways they felt already completed devoted to what ever cause she aimed at and basically became her eyes, ears and personal guards forever. Before, there was ever a single Forsaken freed she had the Dark Rangers with her. TBH they should of made being one an Allied Race a long time ago to be fair.
@@vandakaii2893 huh i didnt talk about dark rangerd were never turned away, i was talking they were rejected in sunwell book so allied race but you have already hunters ? So
@@LeystTV her lore describing a person with anxiety and schizophrenia and others mental issues if you look at her in real life a lot of psychology and spirituality going on
Look it's great and all that we have more transparancy and all, but I think in the world of Warcraft, the Horde won't work well without an authoritarian leader. Having first a Horde Council, and now a Desolate Council, all adds a shitload of beaurocracy we can't afford if we are at war again.
@@LeystTV Yeah and whose fault was that XD I hate to use this as an excuse but at some point you can only point to bad writing. Using the warrior culture as a reason for a new war is just so convenient, why not abuse that three or four times?
@@warllockmasterasd9142 The Warchief originally was just that, but that was when the Horde itself was just a weapon. They never bothered to rename their leader cause it works just fine, he simply became an actual leader instead of warlord.
I agree. And theorically if a warchief fails you can challenge them for the seat wich's more democratic than monarchism. The fact that Blizzard forces most of the characters of the Horde in beign passive until last minute is, as already pointed out, lazy writing.
I really hope they dont have the undead rejoin the living or have lightforged undead. I want the undercity back the way it was. I like the undead more ghoulish. If i wanted to play as a human id play a human. The undead are supposed to be dark and twisted. Plenty of 'goody two shoe' races to choose from. Leave the undead alone. If the ghoulish undead make people uncomfortable dont play em.
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Anduin Cutscene: ua-cam.com/video/UHHj5AXdPs0/v-deo.html
The Queens Gift Cutscene: ua-cam.com/video/YGwHyHJxnFw/v-deo.html
Everything new in patch 9.2.5: ua-cam.com/video/YhPJoUCHs8M/v-deo.html
DRAGONRIDING: ua-cam.com/video/ypocJDAq_Jw/v-deo.html
It's great to see Lilian Voss back in Wow lore. It was sad to see her time end in the Plaguelands. Long live Lilian Voss.
She is awesome 😄
Who else enjoin that fact that we finally got developing of the new undead/forsaken characterrs?
O/
Give me Sylvanas back
Honestly the Margrave brings up a good point about necromancy not necessarily needing death magic, after all we have seen the Drust use life magic for its necromancy for a couple of expansions now.
Very true
@@LeystTV Come to think of it in hindsight, weren't there also cases of fel necromancy as well? Like there was Felmyst in the Sunwell raid as well as random sketal fel mobs in Legion and WoD zones.
and also the shadowmoon clan using void and shadow in necromancy as well
Should’ve had Jaina joining in the fight against the Drust.
@@zennim125 That is also true! Except for Arcane I believe every type of magic has had its own form of necromancy!
If they upgrade Lilian into a sexy human model like they did with Nathanos I'm throwing a fucking chair.
😂
I really enjoyed this questline
It was good xD
Beautiful, i even drop a tear. Thanks
The Shadowlands dessert seemed to taste a lot better than the main dish, the Jailer XD
Sure did 🙈🙈
I feel so estatic and exhilirating to see Margrave voice that so deep, dark yet melodious. That combination makes me think like being a Lich is very cool and dominating. I will very excited if there is VRMMO RPG that have Lich as part of the Undead Race. I wish for that to happen in our era.
I DEMMAND that Calia Saying "the toxicity is...overwhelming" becomes a meme xd
I admit that im not the biggest fan of Calia, but im not as wild as some Sylvanas simps who will just not give Calia a chance at all!
somehow that dialogue feels perfect for her xD
🙈🙈
Well I understand why you wouldn't gove Calia a chance. She's an ally, she never pledged allegiance to the Horde and if it comes to a conflict she will absolutely stand for the Alliance. She has no right to sit on the War Council. Just let Lilian Voss take over.
@@Mediados Lillian Voss and Calia both work to together as the new leaders of the Forsaken. I assume there leadership will be like a Makoto/Ei leadership Where one would be a public face and the only known leader (Most likely Calia) and the other will work behind the scenes.
@@roxxin75 Yeah but that is kind of a problem. If we go to war with the Alliance again, and we will at some point, she will not be on the Horde side no matter how much she claims to be a Forsaken. She will crawl back to Turalyon and reveal critical Horde intel to the enemy, which is why I think she has nothing to do in an important position.
@@Mediados If that kind of plot happens it could be interesting doe, she would be divided between factions, and her allegiances, plus... I don't think she would hold much influence or power as people thing, Mostly I think she will hang out with Alonsus Faol and try to bring some religious peace/identity to the forsaken
I didn't get the cutscene when i ran this for some reason. Glad it's out there so I could see it.
That is so odd. But Im glad the video could help! 😄
I played a lot of Shadowlands but somehow missed this patch, I'm glad I saw this as I always wondered about Undercity. Always considered it my characters home (as one of the Forsaken) hope they do something with it.
I am surprised that Blizzard still did not give Lillian Voss her own model?
i am happy that they didn't, she has an unique set of armor, but she is a forsaken like all others
She does have her own model.
What happened to her blue eyes? Did I miss something
@@dmitriho3671 i don't think she had blue eyes?
She is not a major player. So she doesen't need one.
my warrior was raised by a monk in BG... does that mean it is also a necromancy?
🙈🙈
Seems more like Calia isn't a light made undead, she is a resurrected person who is controlled by the light. Sure, her heart doesn't beat, but that's just to complete the costume so she is more relatable to the Forsaken.
Small question, is the last cutscene only available to the horde? I did it on my ally character and never saw that d:
Hmmm should be both factions 😄 i did it on horde so not 100% sure But would be weird if alliance did not see it
Yes only on horde
awesome thank you mate
Thank you very much
the horde gets a council and now the forsaken gets a council I see a pattern here
Next : alliance 🙈
@@LeystTV humm that's a possibility but I don't think so
The Alliance should get a council next.
@@skyrimbear7106 It’s EXTREMELY possible. And it will happen in the next expansion.
The Dwarves got council as well and the Gnomes sort of do now.
I'm all for Calia. The forsaken have been genetic and very samey since wc3. While orcs, humans, tauren and dwarves went different leaders, giving them different outlooks.
Forsaken though have been the same, genetic 'token bad guy' race. Maybe if they had someone like Calia giving some alternative outlook I might find the forsaken interesting
Is this quest story/cut scenes any different for the Alliance side? I know for that one it says Genn Graymane is for the Alliance side.
Just the greymane part as far as I know
@@LeystTV What is the Graymane part?
Im glad they want to form a council but when sylvanas returns from the maw she will always in my eyes be the banshee queen and the true leader of the forsaken.
Can you only view this on Horde? I've done this quest line with two Alliance characters and no cutscene happened
Ive heard alliance see it and Ive heard some not. Its super odd
The lick of shadowlands is right remember guldan use fel power to rise death knights in the second war and kelthuzar I suspect in the beginning used arcane power to raise death until he met lick king because he was in dalaran making experiments and raising death but he was a mage still and he got kick out and after it he find the lick king
The only thing I disliked about this questline was the "Necromancy is Necromancy" line. It implies every school of magic can create undead when in the original lore it was Shadow with Necrolytes, Fel, and Death with Necromancers that was originally misconstrued as arcane magic by the Kirin Tor. Calia is a weird exception to the rule where, despite having the power of Alonsus Faol, Anduin Wrynn, and a Naaru, she was made undead instead of resurrected, but the Light has never once worked well with the Undead beyond her. I'll be honest in saying it takes the uniqueness out of Death magic if every school can perform the same rituals with different magic empowering it. Hope there's some greater clarification on why Calia is Undead beyond story reasons and Sin'dane's phrasing down the line
Maybe now we can say Sargeras and Gul'dan using Fel to bring Xavius and Mannaroth back could be seen as Fel necromancy.
The lines between the schools has all but evaporated recently, it used to be only the arcane that could make portals, now it seems everything can.
@@RoyalBluePhoenix i thought demonic portal came first from WC3.
i think it is like how we can use water to cut steel and create a fire when mixed with an alcaline metal
it is not the normal behavior, it is not usually supposed to happen, and when we use water we don't expect it to create fire, but it is very much doable
necromancy is the control of death, i think that it is being treated here like an school and not a power, more like engineering instead of just energy
we know the shadowmoon clan can make undead out of shadow and void, and we know the legion could make undead with fel and unholy
Specifically the Margrave said what can Fuel Necromancy. Necromancy is an art (raising people from the dead), the power behind it is the medium. Some art work just do better with different mediums; death and/or shadow probably do well for Necromancy. We've seen how Light and/or Nature magic can do the same as fuel but are they as effective? Think of the realms in shadowlands they are kind of divided in Light (Kyrian), Nature (Ardenweald), Necrolord (Death), and Venthyr (Shadow) but do any of these forms not deal in or with death? But their canvasses are different looking. Rigid thinking is just not natural :).
I want a dark rangers class now
We have red eyes now and armor for it 😄
Stupid Question Is forsaken no longer evil now ?
Tbh I wonder if it can be said for *Brother's Sins* Arthas mostly have a good intention and he is pretty much that is got betrayed and got lost in a way with nobody to help him....... Uther and Jaina left him and refused to listen and reason with him.
Is there requirement to this quest?
Not that I know of. I had it on NA and never did anything on that acc 😄
So who is this Lady? did i miss a quest line?
Runway princess his return with nothing common with them even the forsaken name not suit her
Arthas' Sister who abdicated the throne before the fall of Lordaeron. disappeared to parts unknown, believed to have had a kid (mystery there), showed up in Before the Storm as a major reason for Anduin to push for the whole mess of a meeting in Arathi... got a big head and decided to try rallying the forsaken present against Sylvanas and taking them into Alliance protection (failed) and got herself killed in the process. Raised as some weird holy undead that is so far a unique existence and she's been shoved into the story trying to find her place as part of the forsaken for 'reasons'
So no rebuilt Lordaeron with the Alliance... instead we have creatable Undead priests and Undercity again...
The alliance should not have a say in Lordaeron. It's not their land to claim.
I really hope that apothecary voice is mostly 'enhanced', cos otherwise I imagine that'd do a number on your voice after a while 😛
Lol 😄
@@LeystTV Let's put it this way, I've had a sore throat for four days and I sound like the doctor does lol
Forsaken is nothing without Sylvanas
Nothing for ally. Gilneas, Theramore, gnomegran?Teldrassil? HAVE MERCY
Calia❤Arthas😢
Calia is a light wielding paladin, and undead. So.....undead pallys are coming? I'm down for it.
We have undead paladins in rhe lore as far as i know 😄
Lilian vos is right her father and her best friends got crazy to be in scarlet crusade and they were trying to kill her she didnt have a choice to kill then to survive in calia his brother arthas killed them all got crazy and manipulated by death itself and calia run away for fear and dark rangers too they were rejected by quelthalas they are all the same
Her lore is very interesting
The Dark Rangers were never turned away.. But, when Sylvanas broke free frmo Arthas's hold over her and when she first broke free her scream freed a lot of the special undead elf troopers that Arthas's was creating so she accidently freed them and then would later on find this innate power furthermore.. That being said she did not free them all cause you kill a large portion of the San'Layn in Ice Crown Citadel.. In return for her freeing them and the fact that a lot of them follower her in life anyways they felt already completed devoted to what ever cause she aimed at and basically became her eyes, ears and personal guards forever. Before, there was ever a single Forsaken freed she had the Dark Rangers with her. TBH they should of made being one an Allied Race a long time ago to be fair.
@@vandakaii2893 huh i didnt talk about dark rangerd were never turned away, i was talking they were rejected in sunwell book so allied race but you have already hunters ? So
@@LeystTV her lore describing a person with anxiety and schizophrenia and others mental issues if you look at her in real life a lot of psychology and spirituality going on
8:10 NO!!! LAST THING WE NEED MORE IN HIGH FANTASY GAME IS DEMOCRACY!!!!
PLS!!! STOP!!!
Look it's great and all that we have more transparancy and all, but I think in the world of Warcraft, the Horde won't work well without an authoritarian leader.
Having first a Horde Council, and now a Desolate Council, all adds a shitload of beaurocracy we can't afford if we are at war again.
I miss the time we only had 1 Leader But it did not work. Most of Them went mad 😄
@@LeystTV Yeah and whose fault was that XD
I hate to use this as an excuse but at some point you can only point to bad writing. Using the warrior culture as a reason for a new war is just so convenient, why not abuse that three or four times?
a new Warchief will simply be made when that time comes.
which is really just what a warchief is supposed to be...
@@warllockmasterasd9142 The Warchief originally was just that, but that was when the Horde itself was just a weapon. They never bothered to rename their leader cause it works just fine, he simply became an actual leader instead of warlord.
I agree. And theorically if a warchief fails you can challenge them for the seat wich's more democratic than monarchism. The fact that Blizzard forces most of the characters of the Horde in beign passive until last minute is, as already pointed out, lazy writing.
I really hope they dont have the undead rejoin the living or have lightforged undead. I want the undercity back the way it was. I like the undead more ghoulish. If i wanted to play as a human id play a human. The undead are supposed to be dark and twisted. Plenty of 'goody two shoe' races to choose from. Leave the undead alone. If the ghoulish undead make people uncomfortable dont play em.
This is the worst story ever. Another time Blizzard craps on the Horde and one of their core races.