The Great Disappointment - Reaction
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If you're starting to get into the more religiously-oriented videos, EH has a whole series on Early Christian Schisms that is really good.
Ooh, that sounds fascinating! I’ll check it out!
I too hope he covers this subject at some point
More EH is always good. And that series is pretty good.
@@sims2mw Yeah, as a Christian and a massive history nerd myself, it's definitely a good one. Context is key in any situation.
I would love to see Chris’ input on the early Christian schism
im mostly an athiest myself but i really love the way you talk about your religion and just the history in general. you dont try and get people to believe it, you dont give arguments as to why its right, you just state what you believe and how it connects with the history and i really appreciate it
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I second that, sir.
As an atheist and not-even-close-to-conservative who loves your channel, I respect the hell out of you for the way you approach all of these subjects with as little bias as possible, and when you do have bias, you openly acknowledge it. Would that all others acted similarly.
As a Seventh-day Adventist, I'm very familiar with this story. But this is the first time I've ever heard anyone outside of my denomination talk about it.
"I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens."
- Ancient Aliens guy
I remember when Harold Camping claimed the end times were going to happen multiple times in the 90s, 00s, and 10s. So many people quit their jobs, and blew through their savings. So many lives were ruined because of him.
Jesus “FOR MY SAKE STOP TRYING TO PREDICT THS END”
I'm personally an atheist, but wanted to say I genuinely appreciate you talking about subjects like this. Not only is it interesting as part of history and worthy to take a look at, but it is doubly interesting to hear about it coming from your perspective. learning and seeing things from a worldview different from your own is incredibly important to broaden one's own horizons
This sounds just like what happened a few years ago with Harold Camping, who "predicted" the Apocalypse to the hour in 2011. Internet Historian has a really good video about it called "Going Camping at the End of the World" and while I don't know if it fits your channel, it is a really good watch if you have the free time.
when i saw the title, I thought "why did they make a vid about my ex?"
I'm an atheist myself, and have been pretty much all my life, but I still find religion and mythology extremely interesting. I own a lot of religious books, which I occasionally read, because reading about and trying to understand what others believe is something I think is important for several reasons. That being said, I think the way you talk about religion and faith, and that you want people of all faiths and beliefs (or lack thereof) to feel welcome and learn history with you, is very admirable, and I respect you a lot for that. I for one think that, as long as you're not hurting yourself or others, you should be free to believe whatever you want. Keep up the great work, Chris!
Phenomenal work as always. This channel holds a close spot in my heart. Thank you for making all these great videos. I recently showed my dad your channel as well and he absolutely loves it. Can’t thank you enough man. First time ive ever considered buying a patreon but I think its well worth it and I will continue to support this channel in whatever way I can. Hope your having a blessed day well wishes to the family!!
Extra History is favorite!! Hope to see more from them
Appreciate the kind words and your continued support of the channel! Best wishes to you and yours as well.
Thank you for being a great rep for both Christians and Right-wingers. It more people out there expressed themselves as eloquently as you the world would be a far friendlier place.
I'm a deist and you nailed it with your basic description. I believe there is a creator or deity that set the universe in motion but I don't believe any deity is actively playing a part in our universe.
Am intrigued
Do you believe at the end of the day?
Fun historical-religious fact: If you’ve ever wondered why so much of modern Christianity is centered around what you believe, that’s due to a very specific translation decision made with early copies of the Christian Bible. See, the ancient Greek word for “faith” is used both as a noun and a verb, so in the Christian Bible the Greek word faith is used as a verb. However, when the King James Bible was being translated into English, translators realized that there was no English verb “to faith.” As such, they translated it to what they believed to be the next best word, “to believe.” With this, a great deal of scripture became about *believing* instead of “faithing.” It’s a minor distinction, but it has made a world of a difference.
I think linguistics is so interesting the way one culture can have a word for something that other cultures don't. And how translations sometimes mean you have to make compromises never entirely sure if you have translated the spirit of what was being said.
@@LordJuzzie agreed. Linguistics is a fascinating subject!
Hello Chris I really enjoyed that , here in the UK I'd never heard of the Great Disappointment, so I learned something new. Extra History are always good and your commentary was brilliant. Perhaps after we've finished Napoleon we could do something on the schism in the early churches, the split of the Orthodox churches from the Pope would be good.
Extra history has a series talking about all the schisms including the original that separated it from being an off shoot of Judaism
Really appreciate how you discuss you're faith and others. I'm sure in your personal life its something you're very passionate about but you still do a goodjob of using reason and kindess to sympathize/discuss other sects.
As a Christian, I found this to be really interesting! I never knew roots of the Seventh Day Adventists, which this video clarified some things I've heard about them. I'm interested to learn more from a scholarly perspective! Thank you for sharing this!
...and as someone else mentioned, EH has an interesting series of all religious videos that's not exclusive to Christianity. Might be fun to hear your perspective on those videos if it's up your alley.
1:30 To understand anti-religious sentiment in the 1800s and up to this day, or more precisely anti-clericalism, we have to understand that a lot of people saw religious *institutions and dogma* as stifling scientific and human progress, which became a core value during the Enlightenment, and by extension that began to apply to all of religion.
You have to understand that these anti-clericals came from societies where the separation of church and state didn't exist yet or was fairly recent, and they saw these clerical institutions as part of the oppressive and backwards societal systems they were trying to reform or overthrow.
For instance, it's impossible to understand the "de-christianization" and Cult of Reason during the French Revolution (and France's modern conception of "laïcité"/secularism, the tensions it creates with Muslim customs like the hijab, and the misunderstandings with the Anglo-Saxon conception of multiculturalism) without understanding the enormous power the Catholic Church wielded in Ancien Régime France and how regressive it was for a lot of people.
An analogy to help people understand this is to look at the battle between evangelicals and secularists in the modern west.
@@404Dannyboy Don't confuse "the west" with the US. That is a very American paradigm. In Europe (well, Western Europe at least) religious groups aren't that important on the political scene. In Eastern Europe, Hungary and Poland's rightwing governments have kind of weaponized Catholic ideas and themes against LGBTQ+ and Muslims or other minorities, but I feel like the main goal isn't to create a theocracy.
In France, for example, the far right along with a portion of those who call themselves "the left" (even though there's not much "leftwing" about them) have instead weaponized "laïcité" against Muslims, claiming they don't respect secularism because of things like the hijab. Of course, the far right alternatively also states that Muslims are a threat to "Christian white European identity", so there's not much consistency.
@@samrevlej9331 Fair. I should have said North America (edit: or even just anglo North America). Sometimes shorthand is too short to be correct.
The hijab issue in France is more complex than that though. France has genuine rules around a lack of religious influence in secular institutions, your laicite, and a lot of the pushback against the hijab comes from the actual left trying to prevent religious rules being forced on young women. The right wing of course took that pushback and extended it to an anti muslim movement as a result of anti immigrant fever.
@@404Dannyboy Well yes, but there’s also conflict inside the left about the hijab issue. The “old left” like the centrists in the Socialist Party (in power 2012-2017) stressed “republicanism” and “laïcité” a lot, especially after the 2015 terrorist attacks. The “new left” (i.e. people from “La France insoumise”) don’t really make secularism their main issue and focus on discrimination against minorities through a falsified “laïcité”.
It’s still a very divisive issue, especially since Macron’s party and government as well as the right have made “laïcité” and “republican values” trigger words for demonizing the left as “outside the republican arc” (i.e. complicit with Islamists). People from the left who’ve made anti-Muslim fear mongering their main issue have either joined Macron or become irrelevant nowadays, so at least the lines are more clear.
I adore how you reacted to this one. If I can recommend one, I'd pick the bronze age collapse or the early Christian Schisms series.
You should react to “Man in Cave” and “Cost of Concordia” by Internet Historian
I mean they happened in the past but are not really historical videos.
@@deasttttt it is a retelling of historical events in a comedic documentary format. I believe they count
It's history related but it's more of a personal story than something that's a major event. I'd still like to see VTH react to it though.
You mentioning David Koresh: If I recall correctly, the Branch Davidians were a radical offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventists.
This video made me like Chris even more. I don't have any particular belief myself, nor really care about religions in general, but he is so nice, so tolerant and so easy to understand that I really loved everything he said.
As an Atheist my curiosity has been piqued lol
It's always of importance to understand the different main religions if you're into history. A lot of history is about it and like it or not, religion shaped history to the core.
So yeah, I don't mind these kinds of reaction videos. Of course, I don't need to see them super often, but they do certainly deserve a spot every now and again.
I’m an atheist but I still enjoy learning about religious history, I think it also gives great insight into the human mind
I really shouldn't be surprised that this comment section is polite and respectful on a religion history video.
1:20
Imagine someone suddenly enters into your room while you are watching this part and they hear "Let's Dive in Great Disappointment" 😂😂😂😂
Hey Chris, great video, I hope you react to topics about plagues especially two that are famous like the Black Plague and the Dancing Plague of Strasbourg
Tying on to his delve into WW1, it would be interesting to see him do some about the Spanish Flu outbreak, too.
I study early American deists (Paine, Lysander Spooner, Elihu Palmer, etc.). I think there’s a couple misconceptions about how the belief was practiced.
Classical deists didn’t necessarily believe the Creator did not interact or intervene with its creation. That is more of a contemporary deist position.
But rather, they simply refused to accept claims of special revelation or miracles as true, dismissing it as hearsay or otherwise un-observed.
In practice, yes, that would make it appear as if there’s no intervention. But the possibility existed.
If Bob the Deist told Bill the Deist that the Creator saved him during a battle, Bill would refuse to believe it, but that didn’t mean Bob would also need to refuse to believe it. Bob very well could be a deist who experienced intervention (“providence”), it’s just not compelling proof to anybody else, especially to other Deists.
Also, the bit where he said his interpretations of the Bible were correct because he used Reason - that wasn’t mere arrogance. It was thought that if a person had come to believe in a Creator merely through Reason, that they were accurately using it. That same “kind” of Reason, when applied elsewhere, would naturally also lead to accurate conclusions. The real question is whether or not they are using the same “kind” of Reason or have fallen back to fallible rationalization.
Thanks for sharing and commenting on this, particularly from your perspective. Something that would be interesting (I think) to cover would be the post-revolution anti-slavery movement in Virginia, Kentucky, and parts of the lower mid-west. Obviously this includes the Methodists who started out an anti-slavery sect, but the fervor also divided the Baptists. I think this is important because it sets up divisions that we still see today in both sects and it influences prewar politics including the anti-slavery beliefs of a young Abraham Lincoln. Look for The History of the Baptized Ministers and Churches in Kentucky &c Friends of Humanity.
I learned just recently that post Covid only 15% of people in the United States attend church regularly, defined as once a month. The other shoe is that was also, for whatever reason, true during the Revolution. Personally, as someone who attends church any time my 72-year-old body permits, which is a few times a week, contest the idea that monthly can define regularly.
Liberal atheist here. Always love how you approach politics and religion and respect you immensely for it. I never feel unwelcome.
You are most welcome here!
William Miller's chart where he breaks down human history to calculate the Second Coming is a phenomenal work of art as well as an example of the collision of the modernist philosophical project and millennialism rampant in that part of the country.
Great video chris never heard about this topic at all btw was just wondering if you remember awhile back when i commented that you should react to the animated history of mexico by suibhne
I'm an Atheist, but I admit Theology is very interesting, and this video was great with a lot of great added commentary!
Just watched the video, found it interesting having watched the Cultish Show (Apologia Studios) series on Ellen Miller and the Seventh Day Adventism which came out a few months ago. If you want to know more about how the Great Disappointment and subsequent events you should check out their material. David.
I recommend Early Christian Schisms by Extra History, would love to see a reaction to that series.
I never went in depth on this topic. The Great Disappointment is intriguing.
Former SDA here, thats the church mentioned at the end that was born from this event. It's interesting how today they focus much more on miller and barely mention snow. Otherwise they way its told is very accurate to how the church tells it... minus the sarcasm and way more prayers "confirmed"
I liked you adding your perspective as a Christian pastor to this, I feel it added a lot of good context to understand the importance of this historically.
I remember a book published in the mid- to late 1980s, "88 Reasons Christ Will Return in 1988."
My paster and I, I attend a Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, after arguing about Revelation came to an accommodation. Chapters 1-3 are fairly clear as are chapter 21-22. Everything between is up for grabs.
Yes you are right it is
3:09 especially in Northern states whereas now there is a geographic divide on religion, back then it was far more uniform and Connecticut had a state religion until just a few decades prior to these events.
11:22 Have you seen their take on the Thirty Years War? Because they end up framing it with the horsemen of the Apocalypse in order to reflect on the thoughts of the people at the time.
I had to deal with this crap during the pandemic, people who were absolutely sure we were living in the end times
I enjoy how you as a pastor, studied theology, you made points that break the christian narrative.
I’m good video and reaction!! Never heard of this but so interesting. I think as long as you stick to historical side of topics like this people won’t feel like you’re pushing it on them. Well done though
Diving into the topic of religion is like opening a can of worm. You are really brave to do that. Because like in politics, there will always be idiots who hellbent to push their view to others and will not tolerate rejection. Just stay sane, my brother.
9:02 Interersting to see the Fibonacci Scale being utilized in this context.
You should do a video on extra credits empire of Brazil
I know it will be a long-shot but a reaction to the missing American collider by bobby broccoli would be interesting, but it will take a lot of time
The revival movement of this time period (there's been a few) is also known as the 2nd Great Awakening and spawned not only the Adventists but also the Mormons.
The 3rd Great Awakening would spawn the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Science, who also believed they were the ones to correctly interpret the Bible.
Chris, would you consider a reaction or original content on church history? Like the Reformation from a historical perspective? Very fascinating as a Christian and history nerd.
If anyones interested in Bible studies athey creek here on UA-cam is a really solid church that has great studies on their channel and website. Best pastor I’ve ever listened to in general, proper instruction and study can make huge difference in anything. Of course there’s plenty of pastors or people you can find who will twist scripture to say anything they wish, and people often mistake the stupidity of humanity for contradictions. There are none in the Bible. As a once devout atheist turned christian I can say none of the arguments against the Bible hold water. If you actually dig and search deep enough. Most people don’t.
So many religions/world-view/political organisations look far too much at their difference than what they have in common. It is people with an agenda who are far keener on focusing on those differences to be "important " or having "purity"- so well satirised in the film "Life of Brian" with the "Judean people's popular front" section of the film.
Ok now for my broad generalisation........It seems that it's all part of "the human condition" that we "as a species" don't have a more optimistic world view sometimes- you don't have to agree with me on this because I'm also an "evidence based skeptical person", I tend to like to follow up on "facts" to verify truth for myself.
Very interesting reaction, despite not being on History of India, hehe.
As always, you do a good job acknowledging your personal bias and you try to remain objective in your words. I sensed a bit of refrain from you in this video and I thought it was because the 1830s were too close from recent history, for your taste. Up until the last bit when I learned this influenced 21 millions people. Yeah, that's a lot.
Being raised as Roman Catholic in Quebec back in the 1980s, I did not learn a lot about all those movements and sects (and Protestantism in general, to be honest).
I could say that this event rhymes with harold camping's prediction of rapture, maybe i could be wrong.
I have heard second coming of Jesus or doomsday prediction so many times during my lifetime. Especially before era of Internet in the pre 2000.
It was fox Maulder from the X Files
Great videos as always, but since you mentioned Waco I'm obliged to ask you to react to Wendigoon's video about that, that is a rollercoaster of emotions, really hope you see this comment, cheers
Complete aside: today I learnt about Major Dragutin Gavrilović, a Serbian hero from WWI who led a heroic suicide charge in Belgrade. Unfortunately, didn't see any obvious videos detailing him but apparently impressed the Austro-Hungarians enough that when they won the battle, they erected a monument for his men.
Millers; And therefore i shall reveal the truth i have discovered about our savior christ!
*Uncovers the chart*
*Usefulcharts intro plays*
Speaking of mormons, joseph smith wrote in april of 1843 about the second coming probably because of this. He said jesus would come back when he, joseph, was 85. So even though he died in 1844, mormons were convinced jesus was coming back in 1890-91. This was on reason they held off on ending polygamy for so long, they thought the world was ending. Also this section of scripture further seeks to legitimize seer stones, which joseph used to find buried treasure and "translate" the book of mormon.
I consider myself to be agnostic, but I understand your point on it causing real damage on believers. It makes sense, I just don't believe in any religious matters strongly. I especially don't like when people use religion to spread hate.
So, I feel like this may be a little different than what you would normally react to, but would you be willing to react to Going Camping At The End Of The World? It's a video by Internet Historian about another Doomsday predictor, Harold Camping, where something similar to this story happened in 2011.
Yes, that was the person from the Aliens meme.
Love your videos. I am also a fellow Christian. Where do you pastor?
16:46 Yes, that was the Ancient Aliens guy.
🧑🎄📢 "Don't be disappointed, children." 😭
History of religion, rather than religious history, is important, if only just because of how people’s relation to religion and the relations between religions have shaped our history and society
The pamphlet "88 Reasons that Jesus will Return in 1988" sold over a million copies.
Can you react to "Man in the Cave" by Internet Historian?
Hahaha. My dyslexia made me think this video was about the great depression. It wasn't until Extra Histories into played and the title was said aloud that I caught the difference. I couldn't understand why a religious perspective would have anything to do with the great depression but marked it as me not knowing enough about the reasons behind the collapse.
"The Truth is Out There" is an X-Files reference
Little note on creationism back at this point in history, 1831 is when Darwin leaves with the Beagle, so evolution hasn't even been discovered at this point, let alone being proven or becoming widespread.
Biological evolution existed as a concept before Darwin. What made Darwin's work revolutionary is that he postulated a mechanism for how it worked (natural selection), and made a case for how it explains the discoveries he made on his trip on the Beagle.
Interesting that this started in Boston. I know that Boston for most of early America was religiously conservative, probably more so than any place in the country. I think most of the more radical or unconventional Christian thought wouldn’t have much oxygen in Boston, unlike the Burned Over District of New York, or parts of Pennsylvania, etc.
I see now that Miller hails from the Burned Over district, and Seventh Day Adventist took hold there as well.
you should watch the video of Floyd Collins by internet historian. it’s a great video and i think you’d really like it
I'm an atheist but would love more religiously-oriented videos.
Agreed. The history of Christianity is really fascinating, even though I’m Jewish, not Christian (as is the history of a lot of other religions).
For example, a fun historical-religious fact: If you’ve ever wondered why so much of modern Christianity is centered around what you believe, that’s due to a very specific translation decision made with early copies of the Christian Bible. See, the ancient Greek word for “faith” is used both as a noun and a verb, so in the Christian Bible the Greek word faith is used as a verb. However, when the King James Bible was being translated into English, translators realized that there was no English verb “to faith.” As such, they translated it to what they believed to be the next best word, “to believe.” With this, a great deal of scripture became about *believing* instead of “faithing.” It’s a minor distinction, but it has made a world of a difference.
A history about the Council of Nicaea would be fascinating to watch with his take on it, as that was essentially where the modern Bible was voted into existence, and modern Christianity was created from all of the various disparate sects that had existed up until then.
You should check out ReligionForBreakfast, those are some great religion/history videos!!
I didn't know you were a pastor. Do you mind sharing your denomination?
My pastor is also really into history. Seems they go hand in hand
You're absolutely right on the problems caused by false teachings of Christ. It ends up pushing away those who had been faithful and making it extremely hard to rebuild what was destroyed. It's why God holds his ministers to a higher standard, as shown with how he dealt with Ananias and Sapphira.
"Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." James 3:1
“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!” declares the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning the shepherds who care for my people: “You have scattered my flock and have driven them away, and you have not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for your evil deeds, declares the Lord. Then I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them, and I will bring them back to their fold, and they shall be fruitful and multiply." - Jeremiah 23:1-3
The Great Disappointment also led to the founding of the Jehovah's Witnesses church, one of the more kooky and woo-woo branches of Christianity.
Something else to remember about 19th century American Christians, biblical literalism was less common than it is today. I'm not saying it wasn't rare, it just wasn't as broadly accepted as it is today.
Restoration Movement member here.
I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I know most of this. And if you want to learn more about this in detail not saying you have too "Pathways of the Pioneers" dives into the History of it all
Hi, I am a radical lefty who thinks religion in all current forms should be a simple set of guidelines, rather than any political or educational impact, which it has always been. One could say I loath religion, as I have taken a stance against it many times in the past. However, despite all of this, i have been watching your channel for years and I am proud to say that you are my favourite historical channel. You are educated on matters I care about, and your insight into historical figures alone is commendable. Even if, at the very least, all I receive is exposure to your personal optics and opinions, i say this. "you sir are a good and respectable content creator....... and person. :)"
i honestly love looking at religious extremists coming up with these crazy things and be like "wHaT iDiOcY"
I am an atheist but this was interesting regardless. As long as its not blatant proselytising but has historical significance then its all good
cool history
Was creationism even a thing back then? I notice you mentioned it at 2:20 I am curious about what people back then believed. In regards to that.
Darwin's book on origins was published in 1860, years after this event. Only a few believed the earth was more than 7000 years old.
It makes me wonder why a lot of fringe sects and cults use the end of the world as a sales pitch.
Why is it that such weird churches and movements happen mostly with American protestant offshoots?
you should watch internets historian about Harold Camping
Wow a video about me fr😂
I would actually appreciate more religious content from you, despite not being religious myself. You bring an interesting perspective that I don't hear often in my day-to-day life, as someone who basically grew up without religion, yet you also don't proselytize.
Mr Chris what I’d a person that’s not necessarily a atheist but is not a theist? I’m a ex soldier from the US that came from a not really resource heavy background for my contextual backstory. As I see the idea of a god, I just can’t see why it’s important that god does or does not exist, either way changes nothing where I am
Damn I can’t believe they made a video about me
Vary interesting
You ever watch Sam O'nella Diogenes video? It's hilarious.
I've actually lost count of the number of "The World will end on this date" prophecies over the last 50 years. Hint, they've happened a lot.
Well I just find this hilarious haha