@@Allons-Y-04 well he egged multiply people with him saying "king of frauds" in different videos which of course would show his bias for gojo/tring to anger a group of fans which he is now trying to rebuke
I mean, if Gojo’s goal was just to kill Sukuna and not fight him, then he could’ve won: After the 200% hollow purple, Gojo was seen to teleport over before Sukuna had healed his arms, so he could’ve opened unlimited void before Sukuna Could open his, winning instantly
True, man looks like a spider at times he got so much lmao. Shame they don't really help a ton tbh. If Yuji's 15f sukuna was still as strong as Megumi's 15f Sukuna, no way those muscles are helping. Yuji is just straight up a grade 1 even without ce.
Ok fine. A LOT more muscle… still doesn’t compare to an ability that literally manipulates space. A single blue punch from Gojo literally one shot Uraume, Hakari and Yuta… he also had no problem cutting into Sukuna with just his fist.
@Allons-Y-04 That fist puncturing his chest example seems inconsistent if you take it at face value. Because Gojo's other hits don't really seem to pierce holes through Sukuna like that, in other instances they inflict superficial damage I've seen people overrate that feat so much as to say Gojo can just punch through Sukuna's head and kill him that easily, which I find highly disingenuous. I can give my reasons for why Gojo doesn't do that same level of damage other times he attacks Sukuna. Gojo was amped by his domain, both his physical reinforcement and technique output, while conversely, Sukuna gets nerfed in Gojo's domain on top of the possibility that the surehit of Gojo's domain incapacitating Sukuna hindered his ability to properly reinforce his body with cursed energy, thus making it easier to damage him.
Sukuna didn’t use domain amplification while inside the domain because he didn’t want to invalidate the adaptation to unlimited void. With domain amp he was shown to be at least somewhat relative to Gojo. Remember he is in a 16 year olds body. In an 8ft tall Goliath: body who is a blitz tier above maki and Yuji in speed, Gojo only catches up to him using blue amped speed. In hand to hand blue amp punches wouldn’t work because of domain amp. Not to mention four arms meaning Gojo isn’t better at martial arts.
Gojo stomps him Simple reason - Clear win condition: - infinite void -no knowledge of gojo arsenal and especially his domain -even with all of sukuna's arsenal nothing can truly kill gojo decisively (he is not getting dimensional cut coz no mahoraga)
@@YeahGuyz-13 remember he tanked that without struggling using rct Sukuna spamed his domain and even with it working properly it didn't do significant damage but gojo just needed once and that too few seconds to almost winning the fight if mahoraga didn't interfere The point being if gojo lands his DE -it over But the same can't be said for sukuna.
@@dharanrobinjames4647 yeah gojo was struggling so little that he just decided to risk breaking his brain to clash with sukuna again since it wasn't doing anything right?
@@Crenchus0 Heian Sukuna literally means Sukuna from Heian Era, not Sukuna from Shinjuku who conveniently was given all information he needs about Limitless technique a fact that almost everyone ignores. Gojo went into this battle completely blind, he knows nothing about Sukuna even including the fact that he can use open barrier domain. Give Gojo as much information about Sukuna's kit as Sukuna had about Gojo and Gojo wins Sukuna with 10 shadows as he wouldn't need stupid experiments with his domain as he would know exactly what to expect from him
I pretty much agree with you. But the reason I lean more towards Sukuna is because there is a more concrete route to his victory based on what we saw in the original fight. With Gojo, it's more like: "If Gojo doesn't win the fight inside the Domain this time he would do something or Gojo would fight differently in those early clashes" so then there would be 100 different possibilities of how the fight could have gone. We don't know. It's much more of a guessing game and more headcanon. With Sukuna I can say that he wouldn't lose the fight inside the Domain in his true form --> he wouldn't be late at opening his next DE because of healing --> he wouldn't get hit by Unlimited Void -->Gojo would start bleeding from his brain --> Sukuna would close his Domain like he originally wanted too before he got screwed over because Unlimited Void hit him and his brain got fucked. The end. But on the other hand, Gege would never write it to be that anticlimactic and that the fight would've ended in chapter 230. So only 7 chapters of fighting. But I do think people underestimate how much of a buff Sukuna's true form is. He literally ate Yuta's Hollow Purple to the face and it just burned him a bit. Heian era body is far superior to Megumi's body.
@@ginnogianni1980 It's not about him being stupid it's just that we don't know what he would do. There are so many possibilities, because let's say they drew at the clash where Gojo won inside the Domain originally. They are both in burnout, fight a bit more and then they Open their Domains again and keep fighting inside. This time Gojo doesn't land UV, but maybe he does something else. In the end I still think Gojo's brain would get friend earlier because he used RCT to heal his exhausted CT more than Sukuna would until that point.
It’s difficult cause gojo also taught sukuna to heal his curse technique, technically also could let him use the surprise of a second domain where sukuna would be hopeless
(Just a small rant) They nerfed the hell out of purple, if purple had connected with anything it would have been DELETED from existence (literally stated+imaginary mass) and then the MOST POWERFUL technique of the Gojo clan only starts causing mild burns. Gege is so inconsistent
Gege has not said that Gojo and Geto are te best h2h fighters. Gege was given a speicifc list of characters (Which he excluded Maki and Toji from when asked the question cause he felt it wasn't fair), the list was Gojo, Geto, Kenjaku, Naoya, Megumi, Mai and Naobito
If I remember correctly I think Maki and Toji where only excluded because the question was “who’s the strongest without curse energy out of these characters”. Tbh we don’t even really know how good Kenjaku’s martial arts are anyways.
@@TheEternalFlame57 Yeah, it was only limited to the big 3 families too (hence kenjaku beinglisted as Kenjaku-Geto and Kenjaku-other guy idk his name lol)
Sorry bro, but saying that gojo would find a new way to combat the domain because he’s creative is not a valid argument. He was only able to do it the other time (doing the impossible) because he had experienced being in the prison realm. Not simply because he’s Gojo. He definitely looses. Even now with all the knowledge we have on jjk that even gojo wouldn’t know we have no clue what he could do to counter sakuna simply being able to last longer. Also the second domain clash didn’t take 3 minutes. Touching gojo let him break gojos barrier extremely fast. 3 minutes wasn’t until the small domain. And when you took away sakunas Knowledge on gojo was that you trying to start them at zero? If Sakuna just popped up in chapter 1 at full power 4 arm monster form, and gojo showed up to stop him. Gojo looses bad. He wouldn’t even have the experience of being in a tiny domain. He never makes it past the doamin clashes.
I appreciate you for clearing all confusions people have in this ....and as always great video ......imo the battle is decided in domain clash ....if sukuna overpowers gojo and opens ms breaking uv...then gojo is vegitable.....and if uv hits sukie then he is boiled egg ....... Other than domain battle there can be many other ways but as I imagine that iit would be settled in domain battle ..... Also I don't think we can ever know what would happen bcoz the battle already show many impossible feats from both sides that we didn't know can even happen..... So saying oke is going all out and one completely looses isn't a vaild way to interpretat this
Interesting video, but I believe Sukuna would have still won regardless and here's why. 1. In chapter 236 not only did it have Gojo state that Sukuna was stronger than him but there are two other translations that doesn't have Gojo say "it would have been close" instead having him say "I'm not sure I would have won" or "I don't think I would've won" thus telling us Sukuna would have still won 2. Sukuna was not using "Domain Amplification" to nullify/minimize the effectiveness of Gojo's techniques during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes because it would have interfered with Mahoraga's adaptation, so if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he would have double down on "Domain Amplification" during the domain clashes which would have prevented Gojo from dealing enough damage to Sukuna to the point where he wouldn't be able to maintain "Malevolent Shrine". 3. Sukuna's secondary pair of hands and his second mouth would allow him to invoke incantation and hand signs which would not only increase the strength and output of his domain's sure-hit effect but it could even potentially make "Malevolent Shrine" even more refined and courting to Gojo in a domain clash the more refined domain will win the clash and their domains were already evenly matched so if Sukuna did invoke hands signs and incantations in order to further refine his domain then Gojo's domain well collapse much faster then it would have normally. 4. Sukuna could have used "Domain Amplification" to bypass Gojo's infinity and directly touch Gojo and turn off DA and land Cleaves on his body to deal enough damage to Gojo to the point he won't be able to maintain Infinite Void (especially if Sukuna invokes hand signs and incantations with his secondary arms and mouth to increase the output).
@@prosperebiredelu414 Gojo has only fought 1 type of Sukuna which is Meguna. How does it make sense for Gojo to say Heian Era Sukuna is stronger when he has never fought him..? Does that make sense to you? Gojo was obviously talking about Meguna with the 10S who he lost to due to Mahoraga's adaptation literally within the same chapter. Sorry I am not here to purposely misinterpret the context around what Gojo said to fit your agenda. If you think Gojo meant Heian Era Sukuna (without the 10S) is stronger then go ahead. I just think context matters when talking about these statements. Gojo is not just saying any form of Sukuna's is stronger. He is specifically talking about Meguna. It makes no sense to talk about Heian Era Sukuna since they NEVER fought. This is why Gojo says he does not know if he would win without the 10S involved. It is obvious he is talking about Meguna..
Doubt gojo could beat Heian sukuna in hand to hand. the fact the sukuna would need to run amp to fight hand to hand would already reduce the effectiveness of blue. i mean just look at how much it nerfed the output of red. and the fact that you could already hardly find panels where Gojo dominates Sukuna while he was using amp in the original fight speaks volumes.
@khalealhenry3660 gojo dominated every time sukuna used Amp. What are you talking about? Sukuna hit gojo once and it wasn't even a clean hit, while using Amp. It knocked gojo back mostly off the surprise and gojo with his abilities nullified was STILL fighting SUKUNA. What are these sukuna glazers 😂 Gojo literally can't use his abilties and is getting shredded by shrine yet sukuna still can't kill Gojo with 100 percent of his cursed energy and 2 SETS of cursed techniques. Who is really glazing?? Literally no one else in the series is or can deal with what Gojo dealt with
@ThePsycoNinja Gojo actually has 1 hit on sukuna while he's is using amp and that's the punch to the liver and that's being generous because in that panel it wasn't clear if he was using amp or not but u know when it was obvious? When the wheel was over sukuna's head it turned black when sukuna used amp. How many hits did gojo get off while that wheel was black?
@@ThePsycoNinjastop lying with those fake laugh. The only reason Gojo seem to have the upper hand through out the fight was bc Sukuna didn't activate DA most of the time due to adaptation. Means that he didn't even fighting back! Just dodge and tank. And one time Sukuna actually punch Gojo with DA active, Gojo was pushed several feets back. What a liar..
The Gojo arguments all hinge on Sukuna not being physically superior (to meguna) in his heian form except he is. Not only that but Sukuna matches the speed of Gojo's domain every clash. Not only that the only reason he took risks like touching Gojo over using Hollow Wicker Basket was to buy time for Mahoraga since amplification paused the adaptation. A lot of the fight had Sukuna not using Domain amplification because it paused adaptation. He landed less blows because for most of the fight he was stalling. Combine that with the fact he could theoretically still be using signs and chants to boost his domain and it's not a contest which domain wins. The fight ends far quicker if Sukuna isn't trying to learn and just wants to kill. Also the Gojo after image thing isn't impressive since Sukuna still just caught him. Gojo didn't even land a hit with that trick.
Why can't you people accept that over 99 percent of tehir phisical prowess comes from cursed every manipulation, tge different that a bugger body would give is so insignificant that only the extra 2 arms and mouth matter as utility not strength nit durability. If they would fight without energy then yes that body would make a huge diff but with CE in the game it doesn't really matter, blue is far batter than 4 arms.
Well, with Blue no one in the verse even comes close to Gojo's punches. But without blue and just CE reinforcement I do think that Heian era Sukuna would probably be stronger. Still very close. But more importantly, Sukuna would have better reach, which means that Sukuna would most likely be able to make the gap between his and Gojo's hand to hand combat skill a little smaller. Also Sukuna has 4 arms, so there's that.
@@RaiderIsntStupid he cant use his technique nside the domain, and only reason gojo didnt die is because he damaged sukuna enough in h2h sukunas domain collapsed
By that logic, Todo should have better physicals than Gojo because he's yoked as they come, but he doesn't. It's about CE Reinforcement, not just physique. Physique is an important basis, but the CE will do most of the heavy lifting.
@Allons-Y-04 1:42 This mainly an issue of people reading different translations. Other translations do indeed have Gojo saying he's unsure or doesn't think he could have won if Sukuna didn't have 10S.
He was in a 16 year olds body and with domain amplification he was relative to Gojo with a disadvantage in martial skill. Add a body that is insanely strong with four arms. Meaning double the martial skill and add domain amp to counter gojos blue amp and Gojo isn’t standing up to four arms. It would be close but Sukuna is definitely stronger in physical fights as long as he uses domain smp
"double the martial art skills".. Bro Sukuna has literally never even thrown a kick on panel lmao. He explicitly relies on having more hands, hence how he got out-bpxed by Yuji despite being stronger still (hence "climbing to my level" as in he's still stronger). Meanwhile Gojo has shown pretty good martial art skills imo. He's no Yuji, but he's used grappling and locks before, which gives him a distinct advantage. You can't double skill, it's like saying 2 swords makes you more skilled. You can be stronger with 2 swords, your opponent can't block both, but that doesn't make you more skilled.
@@binaryboopsva Thats just not true. Yuji only ever outboxed him when he only had two hands. Once he got his arms back and healed, he immediately outboxes Yuji. Hell, even while fighting Yuji with two arms in Yuji's domain they were even. Actually read bro
Bro made a video glazing gojo, bro is making head cannon for gojo then proceeded to call sukuna fans head cannon wrong. He also said gege left the fight open ended, no he did not😂😂, gojo in the afterlife in the official translation said “I don’t think I would win even if he didn’t have 10s” bro used a water down translation😂. Urauma, kusakaba and even gojo said sukuna was stronger, but bro said “gege left it open ended” 😂😂 Bro said UV WOULDnt LAND ON HEIAN SUKUNA, when Sukuna literally got 4 arms he would use HALLOW WICKER BASKET, and simultaneously open his domain, goio gets cooked either way.(sukuna doesn’t even need to domain clash) when Gojo fans tranna tell u how gojo would win, they always forget what sukuna can do 😂😂. Before Gojo even think, as he’s getting sliced up in sukuna’s domain, sukuna would use kamutoka to keep raining down lightning on him. Then fuga. But I guess bro wouldn’t think about that.
If they were to rematch Gojo would win (Extreme diff ofc) Lets first discuss their respective "Inventories": True Form Sukuna: - Cleave - Dismantle - Dismantle net - WCS (World cutting slash) - Kamino - Domain Expansion (MS) - Change barrier conditions - Domain Amplification - Hollow Whicker Basket - Black Flash Gojo: - Blue - Blue orbs - Teleportation - Maximum Output Blue - Red - Hollow Purple - Unlimited Hollow Purple - Domain Expansion (UV) - Change barrier condition - Make his barrrier smaller - Simple Domain - Falling Blossom Emotion - Black Flash Good now lets move on to their limitations and restrictions Limitations: - Sukuna: 1) He was adapting at times meaning he couldn't fight back because he was using Mahoragas wheel and can't use it the same time as DA 2) He didn't have his 4arms and 2 mouths dince he was fighting in megumi a vessel more suited to take down Gojo 3) This time Sukuna doesn't have the 10S (No Agito as ahealing factor and distraction and more imporantley NO mahoraga for the sake of adaptation aka no 3vs1 and 2vs1) - Gojo 1) Gojos Was seen holding back for the sake of Megumi once UV hit and he pierced his torso instead of decapitating him whilst saying: " I will bring you CLOSER TO DEATH than Yuji at the detention center" 2) After their Domain clashes Gojo was holding back attacks becauause of Mahoragas adaptation "He is only using lapse for the adaptations sake" meaning he was limited in that regard aswell Now that we established what their previous limitations were. What really happened in the clashes? Well: Clash 1) Gojo and Sukuna open their domains and since both are equally strong due to the factors discussed, the surehits cancel each other out. We also learn that if one of the two suffers fatal damage, their domain will break and the other person's surehit will land immediately. Since Sukuna's domain has a wider range than Gojo's, she was able to destroy the barrier of Gojo's domain from the outside (the domain barrier is weak from the outside), thus Gojo's domain is broken He countered by using Two Simple Domains and while he was healing himself he healed his burnt out technique so he managed to land a red and escape the effective range. Chapter reference: 225 - 226 Clash 2) Sukuna's domain is still on from the last clash, but Gojo opens a new one and switches the domain conditions. The domain barrier is now weak from the inside and strong from the outside. Sukuna ties this up by expanding the effective range of his domain and making a binding vow around it Surehit to eliminate his domain but the attacks from outside are stronger. Since Sukuna has sacrificed his Surehit, UV takes over s Surehit to avoid certain death, Sukuna goes back and forth with Gojo (Everyone who touches Gojo during the expansion is safe) - (Fun fact Heianera Sukuna wouldn't have known that because he only saw it when he was in Yuji and led Gojo against Jogo DE clash) So the domain from outside breaks and Sukuna wins again Chapter Reference: 227 Clash 3) Gojo reopens his domain and shrinks it to the size of a basketball (He learned this in the Prison Realm) They say with a shrunken DE the barrier outside is stronger. However, Sukuna counters by reducing the range of his DE to make the outside attacks stronger. We don't see what happens inside the DE but we see that both domains break. We then see that Sukuna did enough damage from the outside and Gojo added enough damage that Sukuna could no longer maintain his domain. We also learn that Gojo's shrunken domain can withstand 3min 11sec against Sukuan's slashes ditto: Gojo does enough damage in 3min and 11sec and Sukuna loses Chapter Reference: 227-228 Clash 4) Gojo and Sukuna reopen their domains Gojo closes his again and they fight in H2H - Gojo manages to add enough damage and Sukuna breaks the domain from the outside Chapter Reference: 229 Clash 5) Gojo and Sukuna both open their domains but this time Sukuna was 0.01 seconds too late because he still had to heal himself, 2 minutes and 40 seconds passed and Gojo managed to do enough damage within this time to cause Sukuna's domain to break. Gojo squeezes his heart and says he will bring closer to death so Yuji it was Sukuna counters with the appearance of Mahoraga who has adapted since Megumi's soul took up the process of UV in the first clashes (Heian kuna of course has neither Mahoraga nor Megumi's soul) Chapter Reference: 229 Great now that we have an in depth analasyis on what happened what would have went differently in their clashes If TF Sukuna and Gojo went at it? But before we talk about that lets take a little discourse and discuss Hollow Whicker Basket: HWB (Hollow Wicker Basket): The technique is called by a hand signal in which the user folds his fingers under each other and at the same time stretches his arms forward. As the name suggests, Hollow Wicker Basket takes the form of a spherical, woven, basket-like guard that surrounds the user. It neutralizes the barrier of a domain equipped with a cursed technique to nullify the guaranteed hit. However, it cannot neutralize cursed techniques itself, making it ineffective against incomplete or non-lethal domains HWB has been used by a total of two characters and a total of three times: Reggie Star against Megumi in chapter 171 - Unlucky as Megumi's domain is incomplete and HWB cannot cancel the surehit. Hajime Kashimo vs Hakari wanted to use it but didn't Ryomen Sukuna vs. Yuta in Chapter: 249 to neutralize his DE but he had to leave HWB on and use two arms and a mouth for it Ryomen Sukuna against Yuji in Chapter: 266 to prevent the surehit of his DE he also tells us here that HWB and SD might be overpowered and to compensate for this he constantly lifts the two hands together he doesn't say that Yuji's soul punches break it but that they can't be healed so of course they also bring down the output As soon as he can't keep the hands together anymore HWB is no longer there and luckily he was able to restore his Burned out CT in time to expand his domain. We have also seen that HWB is not effective against flucj techniques i.e. blue, red, purple, etc in the case of Satoru Gojo blue is an attractive mass which allows gojo to pull force full stuff or "pull" it away he also uses this in the fight against sukuna to throw him to the ground or throw him against the wall in the first H2H exchange. Before we talk about how the clashes would play out. What are their Wincons: - Sukuna: 1) DE: He can win via MS if Gojo overstrains himself >5 times and doesn't manage to land UV 2) If we include WCS its a wincon alltough Gojo can tp since Sukuna has to chant and point - Gojo 1) De: If Gojo gets UV off its game over for True Form Sukuna 2) Hollow Purple/Unlimited Hollow Purple: Is proving out fatal if Gojo deals enough damage before hand In conclusion to their wincons we can safely say: If Sukuna isn't able to win via DE clashes he loses the same goes vice versa however: If somehow they were to stalemate DEs and fight without DEs Gojo would Win in a mid-High diff manner. Ok now we pretty much established everything besides what would happen in that TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash: TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash: As established True Form Sukuna has no 10S and can focus 100% on fighting with double the amount of arms and a additional mouth for chants So what exactly would it boil down to I mean Gojo shrinks his barrier and they fight... Sukunas Goal is to stall 3minutes and Gojos is to deal enough damage in 3min meaning it would boil down to mainly a single factor: H2H combat H2H: In their previous H2H encounters we have seen Gojo be superior with (DA and without DA) whilst Gojo also 3cs1 ed a 12ft adapted Mahoraga, a distraction and healing factor called Agito and Sukuna anf was handling them (Tbf he did have a BF amp but its doesnt change the fact it was a 3vs1) and TF Sukzna had not really shown us good H2H feats either against the likes of Maki, Yuji, Yuta, Yuji, Kusakabe alltough he was in a weakened state lets not forget Gojo was aswell (His rct output was on the decline and he had 1 arm at one point) But here are the H2H stats (I didnt count all the hits in the 3vs1 for Gojo so Sukuna has an enormous advantage here: Sukuna: Attacks: 13 Blocks: 9 Dodges: 7 Connects: 1 Grapples: 1 Striking percentage: 7.6% Gojo: Attacks: 20 Blocks: 7 Dodges: 5 Connects: 4 Grapples: 3 Striking percentage: 20% In conclusion Gojo defense and offensepercentages were better "BuT Da WasN'T AlWAyS oN" yes but he nevertheless threw punches and Gojos defense was better also even if we exclude da Gojo leads the percdntages by 10% menaing there is no doubt about it also as I mentioned I didnt even count the punches for the 3vs1 if we were to include those then Maho only landed 1 attack on Gojo because it caught him offguarfd... Funfact Sukunas only landed attack was one that caught him offguard aswell TF Sukunas H2H stats against the shinjuku squad were pitiful but lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was in critical condition In conclusion Gojos H2H is just better even when 3 people were versing him Now we gathered all the info we need so what do I think would hapoen in their clashes, well thats simple: Gojo and Sukuna would fight and as the clashes go on the damage would eventually acummulate and Gojo woudl win via inflicting enough damage as he did in their real fight (So he wins by either dealing enough damage to the point sukua can't maintain his de anymore or until he gives himself that 0.01 sec advantage that could reoccur anytime. Looking at it mathematically Gojo has a higher chance of winning more times which is why the winner is: WINNER: SATORU GOJO (EXTREME DIFF)
2:59 It's in context to his domain's fire arrow. He can still use it on its own without a domain in a 1v1 as shown when he cooks Jogo without his domain. Gojo needed maximum RCT output to survive his domain, so adding a stronger flame arrow to it just simply overwhelms his healing and kills him.
He can use it on its own but one it’s own it didn’t even properly destroy Jogo’s body and also as soon as Gojo burnt out he tried to run so Sukuna had to stop him instead of opening Furnance
@@Allons-Y-04 Jogo is of course going to be resistant to fire as a fire cursed spirit. Heian Sukuna can just chase him while making the arrow with his hands.
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 I agree. If he was ever able to get it off which he isn't... its the same principle as not letting Gojo charge purple. Gojo won't give him a chance to use it and won't be hit by it unless he's burnt out of his CT
@@Allons-Y-04yes, but Furnace is a sure hit inside the domain, also, Sukuna has four arms, he can chant and prepare the arrow with 2 hands while fending off Gojo with the other two.
You missed a few points. Mainly this one. Heian sukuna doesnt have two different sets of cursed techniques. The main thing about that is no mahoraga. Meaning 2 things. gojo can use his arsenal as much as he wants. And he wont spend as much time trying to figure out what is going on with the ten shadows or mahoraga. So what difference does it make? In the video you say that sukuna would be winning the domain clashes and forgot one main thing. Gojo figured out he could destroy the shrine to stop the slashes. The problem is his abilties were limited because of mahoraga. But this on top of the fact that gojo can tank the slashes from shrine and multiple other options in case he loses a domain clash, puts heian era sukuma at a major disadvatage in the case of domain versus domain. Which was the second part of their fight. But with no mahoraga, gojo could use red, blue or purple and pop the shrine. The shrine is easily destroyed. There is no way to stop the effect of UV however. Where does this leave sukuna? Probably not an immediate loss(i can see sukuna coming up with a binding vow or something), but sukuna would need to URGENTLY, try to gain an advantage over gojo because he is at an EXTREME disadvantage in this situation. If any 1 of UV lands, it'll be much longer than a few seconds. Plus If any UV lands, he may no long be able to use his domain or maybe cursed techniques. Then gojo could actually follow through with his plans and crush sukuna's heart, LUNGS, and liver. Meaning he negates the usefulness of the heian form in the fist place which takes stress off sukuna's internal organs. And without shrine, this just looks grim. Majorly in Gojo's favor
Simple Reason Sukuna Wins He is way better at Hth Remember How Yiji was beating The shit out of 2 armed Sukuna but gave up on even touching him the moment His arms Got restrored He got his ass Wooped . So Heian Sukuna Hth >>>> Yuji who has some Relativity To Gojo At least Even Though I think they are close 2nd Bro Forgot Sukuna Went for adaption Therefore Wasnt Using DA Most of the Time in the Domain Clashes and He only Turned off His sure hit In the Second Domain clash He never Turned It off after that This is So much Clear Because In 262 Sukuna Still needed 3 minutes To break UV We know He wasnt touching Gojo all the time So His sure hit was active all the time Now You got A sukuna With Far superior Hth skills then Meguna Who with DA as we saw in the Early Stages of the fight Is at min Relative To gojo in Hth Wont be able To outlast Gojo In every Domain Clash nice Joke And To your point About heian Sukuna Not knowing About Uv this works Both ways It has been Shown Multiple Tikes how smart Sukuna is abd He always Expects His opp to have a Trump Card Like we saw with His figjt against Yorozu Maho So Not knowing about UV would Probably Make Sukuna Way more cautious and He would Avoid risk even more Leading To his simple Victory . I have saidy reasone with Proof now Sukuna wins 999/1000 times From My point of view and This is no Glaze
I also wanna bring up the fact that gege gave 2 things to gojo so he could actually survive malevolent shrine. "Domain shrink" and " I can now heal my technique" bs. Gojo dies in 4 clahes without mahoraga and 2 if sukuna is in his heian form
13:02 “Gojo vs Sukuna was left so everyone could make their own opinion” 223: “The strongest sorcerer IN HISTORY vs the strongest sorcerer of today” 234: “Sukuna still has to hold back.” 236: “And he wasn’t giving it all he had.”, “Honestly I don’t think I would’ve won even if he didn’t have Megumi’s Ten Shadows.”, “I put everything I had into trying to reach him. To make him understand. All my physical training, those techniques I mastered. My explosiveness, quick thinking and attempts at humor. I gave it my all, but it wasn’t enough.”, “The loneliness that comes with unrivaled strength”, “Sukuna wasn’t able to give me his all though.” 237: “The battle against THE STRONGEST continues!!”, “Did you earn the title of THE STRONGEST?” 238: “As a sorcerer, there is no greater advantage than having twice the number of arms and mouths.” 250: “It pains me to admit it, but we’re up against the strongest sorcerer right now.” 265: “Unless the STRONGEST SORCERER IN HISTORY can’t catch some crayfish?” 268: “The only possible cause of master Sukuna’s defeat would be his incarnated form. You plebeians had no strength. Luck was just on your side. You narrowly escaped death by simply being born one thousand years too late.” If it’s not obvious that heian era Sukuna is the peak of the verse then you’re just cooked.
Bro forgot to include all the other stuff that hypes up Gojo too… like the literal note that says ‘The strongest etches his name on the old battlefield of Shinjuku’ or ‘my limitless is far superior’ or ‘for the 1st time in 1000 years Sukuna felt the height of tension’. This goes either way…
@@Allons-Y-04 yeah you’re incompetence is just clear. Every time they refer to Gojo as the strongest it’s in the context of him being the strongest of TODAY. If I talk about who is the best basketball player in history then I’m saying who is the best basketball player of all time while if I said who was the best basketball player of today I would be talking about who is the best basketball player of today’s era. If Gojo was truly the strongest sorcerer of all time he would be referred to as the strongest sorcerer in history. And sure Gojo can have a better cursed technique then shrine but that doesn’t make him stronger then Sukuna. By that logic Takaba should be the strongest since his cursed technique is the best. Or even Mahito should be considered stronger then Sukuna as idle transfiguration is better then shrine. But obviously they’re not therefore the cursed technique is just one component of what’s being the stronger. And sure Sukuna can feel worried but that still doesn’t now mean he’s weaker then Gojo. If LeBron James were to 1v1 Kevin Durant do you not think LeBron would be worried about losing even though he’s better than KD? There is no “this can go either way” the objective answer that Gege has given us since the beginning is Sukuna is the objective strongest character in the series. Gojo is only the second best which is why he lost.
Wtf,man. "The strongest in history" and "the strongest of today" just a title. You really think that Gege at the beginning of the fight just said who stronger and who will win?
@@Allons-Y-04Without domain amplification Sukuna would have already died, sheathing yourself inside an empty space isn't a lower level defense technique, it's like using kamui but instead of placing your body in another space you place this space around you to protect you...hope you understand domain amplification and why Sukuna survive from blue, red and purple during all this fight.
I completely disagree with Gojo being vastly superior to Sukuna in hand-to-hand combat, if sukuna were using his heian era body. First off, what statement did Gege make regarding Gojo and Geto, and if he did make a statement, when was it made, because gege wouldnt just say that a character who hadnt been even revealed yet had greater hand-to-hand skills than established ones. Whilst Gojo was better than Meguna in hand-to-hand by a noticable margin, I would argue that Sukuna who would be OVER 2x as strong in h2h bare minimum (since he both would have double the arms, and a much stronger body (fuck you, the physical body does make a difference, this is proven several times in the story through itadori as well as hakari stating that Sukunas hulk sized body was afear to him)), and would bare minimum close the gap, if not make sukuna the more dominant one, even if he isn't outright faster. You also tried to say that gojo fighting mahoraga, agito and sukuna somehow means that heiankuna would still be worse in hand to hand than gojo, but why? mahoraga is weaker in hand to hand than a 15f shibuya sukuna, and agito is significantly weaker than that (gojo stated as much). We literally see a weakened heiankuna vs a weakened Gojo (i.e. Yuta) and Sukuna is clearly shown beating him, despite being in a far more disadvantageous state than Yutajo. The fight would still be ridiculously close, but from not only a powerscaling perspective, but a narrative one, Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer, until the current generation surpasses him
@@Allons-Y-04 sukuna was at a much bigger disadvantage, before this he had: Brain damage A missing heart 2 missing hands multiple soul punches from yuji Jacobs ladder Plus other general injuries from yuta and the others all without rct to heal them. yuta on the other hand is still disadvantaged, but compared to sukuna being hit with every debuff imaginable, having slightly longer limbs is rather trivial. especially since yuta had switched bodies with gojo over the timeskip, so he wasn't completely new to limitless. even with that disadvantage, sukuna is comfortably dominating yuta, and only has to tank a Hollow purple (which didnt even do that much (chant amped btw)) due to inumakis cursed speech
Of course Gojo would have been able to win if he didn't have megumi's ten shadows. It's not like he didn't have a whole ass health pack that could have returned him to his original body if megumi's took too much dama- oh wait 💀
@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei He didn't heal his brain but his body was healed and CE was still more then enough. Even though it wasn't "regained" he still had way more then what Gojo had after that max purple. So yeah, it was a health pack and a pretty damn strong one too. He completely obliterated MBA Kashimo who factually is physically superior to Gojo just based off his feats and abilities.
to be honest i dont think sukunas on gojos level unless gojo goes out of the way to debilitate himself to have a fun form of fight , the sort that would be more of a strength for sukunas toolset, what i am trying to say is if you compared them the way people do cross verse battles or if you could just plug your controller up gojos ass hed win almost every time, as in 1he never needs to let sukuna get close enough to him to touch him 2 sukuna cant touch him through the infiinity,3 if somehow the infinity wasnt a factor sukunas attacks lack the damage output to put gojo down before gojo recovers from it, the only reason the world slash got him was because he just stopped healing for some reason,4 he could genuinely just keep spamming purples from outside his range with no downside because of the 6 eyes, also sukunas domain would never be a problem for him because if its open he gets out instantaneously and purples it to bits, if its closed he purples the barriers to shatter as he did when yuta was being a fraud in his body, also he does genuinely just win the domain clash even iwith the induced stupidity from gege so sukuna wasnt just lowdiffed
outside domains gojo might win but it wouldn't make sense for them not to use it so sukuna imo whether it's 20f yujikuna, meguna or og sukuna wins through domain clashes. The 1st round of that fight showed sukuna's win con
No it didn't,gojo can choose to disengage anytime from the domain by not clashing and teleporting If sukuna closes his domain gojo wins in refinement or they tue without ms sure hit on the outside meaning gojo can damage sukuna to the point where his domain collapses with no threat on his own because he's stronger in almost every way outside of domain clashes.
@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei if gojo wanted to or could teleport out, he would have. He literally tried to run away the first time he’s domain collapsed and Sukuna stopped him and after that he did a DE 4 times cause it’s in his natures to try and win that way. Same as Sukuna, he knew UV was a problem but still backed himself against it. All goes back to what he said to jogo when jogo didn’t want to domain clash with him, it’s a loser’s mentality to not try.
@@AhmadKazan-wk7eithe refinement is equal. Barrierless isn't abt refinement. Sukuna would close his domain in the 4th clash after Gojo fried his brain and he wouldn't be able to open his domain nor uses his ct and no h2h advantage against 4 armed Sukuna.
in character, this fight can go either way. but if u can plug a controller into gojo to just maximize his own life than going all out for fun, gojo could easily play a very long game with sukuna. sukuna's reserves are massive but gojo's can be restored constantly, almost giving him endless ct. gojo could just not clash domains and just tp out. and if sukuna closes it, then gojo could clash and stalemate
This is why I believe furnace is completely useless because it requires a lot of prep work just to unlock it. But yeah this is why binding vows are stupid
He did? Can u give a few examples... cus if anything I felt it was the other way around. 'I'm glad... when it comes to techniques, my limitless is far superior'
@@devilslayer8675”idk if i would’ve won even if he didn’t have 10 shadows” “sukuna wasn’t able to give me his all” “im glad i died facing a stronger opponent” “i put everything into reaching sukuna but it wasn’t enough” need any more?
I closed the video immediately he implied that having 2 additional arms would not make Sukuna better at hand to hand combat. This is like saying if Gojo had 1 arm, he would have the same proficiency at hand to hand as when he has two arms. The logic kills me everytime.
Sukuna wins via DE clashes. Gojo win cons consist of: catching a weakened sukuna offguard with hollow purple (which he actually did in cannon and failed) or landing unlimited void, so gojo will opt of DE clashes like the cannon fight. Heian sukuna will not switch off DA and he has a way stronger body and 4 arms, so gojo will NOT be able to do enuff damage to collapse sukunas domain. Gojo will give himself brain damage from rct his burnt out ct, then sukuna will end him with Malevolent shrine. The only way gojo can beat heian sukuna is if he learns open barrier DE in the fight. This is extremely unlikely coz if he could do it then he would have tried in the cannon fight. Gojo is NOT like sukuna, who can see a technique once and be able to do it. Gojo learned rct as a teen and by adulthood he was unable to output rct like yuta and shoko, so in 10+ years he was not able to learn outputting rct? Lol. Gojo is not on sukunas level at all, and that is why he was SAD that he did not REACH sukuna. Cry gojo glazers 😂
I think sukuna heian form should be superior in no domain, accordibg to chap 228-231 gojo is only slightly superior to DA meguna, while DA heian form sukuna is way stronger than DA sukuna
So question? The whole reason why Sukuna fought this way was to get the WCS(world cutting slash)right? He needed to make a binding vow so that he could launch off a WCS without conditions right? If we’re being honest Gojo would let Sukuna transform for fun. So Sukuna would have four arms, his knife, and the WCS without conditions. If he had all that why would he limit the brand new technique he just got and not just finish off Gojo? Why cripple himself when he can just finish off the students with unhindered WCS? My guess is that Sukuna knew he wouldn’t be strong enough, that the only way he’d be able to beat Gojo was if his guard was down and he surprised him.
Or that his strategy of taking damage on purpose for Mahoraga's adaptation left him too damaged to use WCS slash so he just made a binding vow and got it done. Also, binding vows are a part of the power system, Gojo himself made several in his fight vs Sukuna
cause wcs is a massive win con , not against gojo but against anyone he faces in future regardless of how bad is his physical condition. I mean , gojos students were under a constant threat of wcs. Sukuna wasnt just fighting gojo from start , he was planning of the fight that would turn out after beating gojo ( there are many statements to prove that sukuna was hella confident that he will win against gojo regardeless of adaption succeding or failing )
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 huh? Sukuna got fried by purple and his RCT was down right? Transformation though would heal him but I’m guessing he didn’t want to use that on Gojo because it just wouldn’t be enough anyway. He needed the sneak attack to catch Gojo off guard.
Things that Sukuna would do differently without Mahoraga: 1. No playing Risky 2. Constant Domain Amplification 3. Using Dismantle when Infinity is down Results: 1. Wouldn't be touched by Infinite Void 2. Gojo struggles to deal serious damage 3. Gojo's Output would exhaustes way faster Either Gojo's RCT is exhausted and he is torn apart by Malevolent Shrine or he loses his Domain and is also torn apart. If Gojo was tieing domain battles against a Sukuna who was actively playing Risky, had an inferior body, couldn't use his own Cursed Technique nor Kamutoke when given chances to do so, and could only use Domain Amplification to fight/defend himself for tiny bursts. If Gojo was tieing against that, then how does he win in a situation where Sukuna actually uses those things. Get rid of the Ten Shadows and suddenly Sukuna has all that. Mahoraga was not necessary, it was only the most entertaining option. Gojo's victory isnt impossible. Im not sayint that, he's the honored one afterall, but the odds are all against him.
Man.. y’all can’t accept anything it’s almost 2025 and gojo died in 2023.. Lets be real : Feats : Sukuna (he litterally took the verse alone and lost to plot armor like most of vilains) Portrayal : confirmed multiple time as the strongest in history Skills and knowledge : skills is debatable but knowledge go to Sukuna Speed strenght etc are more like for pure powerscaling debate so with « simple » criteria , when Gege tried to put Gojo above Sukuna ? And it’s funny how y’all try to downplay Sukuna W cons , y’all don’t even understand fugua issue Sukuna changed multiple time the priorities of his bareer, what if he didn’t for three consecutive clash ? Maybe he could farm enough Sukuna > gojo High diff Stop the cope
Sukuna is superior than Gojo in most aspects really. But Gojo is at least somewhat better using his CT bcs of six eyes, faster bcs of blue and harder to hit bcs infinity. Everthing else Sukuna is superior... Aside from visual, and maybe they are both equal in "learning". EDIT: From "Visual" i say eyesight related atributes.
I'm just gonna put this here. Gojo never stood a chance against Sukuna. It would have been an easier fight if Sukuna only needed to kill Gojo and was not trying to tear through infinity. I'll explain: If Sukuna was to fight Gojo without any information about unlimited void and without 10 shadows, it would have obviously started out with testing each other out. Sukuna will quickly notice the barrier and understand that there is a wall between them formed by a technique and then he would attempt domain amplification to get past it. Then comes the domain expansion battle. They would both expand their domain and Gojo's domain will break in the first instance. On the second try, Gojo will swap the conditions of his barrier to make it last longer but it would still break. On the third try, Gojo uses the small domain. This is where the difference starts showing. 10 shadows Sukuna was unable to fight optimally because using domain implication to fight Gojo would have been pausing/disrupting the 10 shadows technique. So Sukuna was essentially fighting Gojo with just cursed energy reinforcement, no barrier techniques or cursed technique, while Gojo was using everything except purple. Even then, he was able to stalemate with Gojo at 3 minutes, twice. If Sukuna is allowed to freely use domain amplification, he would be able to break Gojo's domain faster because, as we saw, being even 1 second faster or slower would determine the battle at that stage. Keep in mind that domain amplification cancels or dulls most technique making Gojo's attacks less potent. If we go further to assume that Sukuna starts this fight with 4 arms and two mouths, then you can imagine that he would have even more advantage in hand to hand against Gojo in the domain clashes. That said, fast forward to when Gojo eventually gets brain damage from repeatedly refreshing his burnout cursed technique. We will be left with a situation where Gojo has to fight Sukuna inside Malevolent Shrine. I used to assume Gojo's infinity would be able to prevent Malevolent shrine's surehit from landing but in chapter 15, Gojo confirms that the surehit of a domain will eventually bypass infinity naturally. Well, once Sukuna closes his domain and the surehit is able to land, you can just imagine what would happen next....Fuga? RIP
Just cause a character said it doesn't make it true,he said it to sakuna duh ofc he has to kill him to save megumi but without vaporizing him with 100 purples or taking off his head meaning when he got that void off he could've literally grabbed his brain and fired him instantly @@Allons-Y-04
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 sukuna whole aim in the clashes were to adapt.🤣 Without mahoraga sukuna would focus on killing gojo instead and would never get hit by UV. Gojo dies soon after
Whatever anyone says(including gege), from what was shown in the manga the fight between gojo and sukuna is the definition of an extreme diff fight. Both party gave it their all and either one of them could've lost at any moment.
Sukuna gave it his all?! Nah. Dude was throwing the domain clashes for mahoraga. He had other options than just killing gojo. Gojo on the other hand have everything.
@@Owen-sx4jj yeah,yeah. Bro received all that damage cuz he wanted to. And it's not like making mahoraga adapt to infinity didn't give sukuna the perfect win con against gojo. Ofc in your opinion bro was doing it shits and giggles.
@@Edolph_6m that is what was literally happening. He was adapting in mahoragas place, taking all the hits for the shikigami. It's why the wheel was on his head. And yeh he was throwing the domains because of this. At one point he literally turns off his own sure hit just so he can attack gojos barrier from the outside which takes longer to do whilst he touched gojo and takes the time to adapt. He was also turning off da multiple times especially during the 3 and 4 clashes so yh. He was deliberately taking hits. Sukuna got caught by a sec just because of this. Without mahoraga that would never happen because he'd have da on full time and dosent need to touch gojo either.
@@Owen-sx4jjHe has no choice because he cant kill gojo with his shrine, gojo can even use maximum output blue which can disintegrate sukuna in his own domain while also using falling blossom emotion to negate shrines sure hit effect since theres no agito and mahoraga in his way if sukuna didnt take damage and let mahoraga adapt.
@@Owen-sx4jj he had to use a riskier option and hold back because it was the only way to win the fight😂 he confirmed with his first few domains that shrine couldn't kill gojo, and he wasn't going to be able to use his flame arrow. so his only option after that point was the riskier option with maharaga. it's the same as when jogo was fighting gojo and didn't use his city destroying attacks that he used on sukuna, because they literally wouldn't have done anything to gojo because of infinity so of course he held back. wy use an ability that wouldn't work?
Man finally, finally out of the, four videos I've seen on the subject, yours is the one that really understands what Gege was probably going for, your RCT (Reading Comprehension Technique) is truly unmatched
I'm sorry but if you think Gojo would physically overpower Heian Era Sukuna, you have to be under an extraordinary amount of glaze. We literally see a fatigued, CE drained, and injured reincarnated Sukuna physically overpower and dominate Yuta inside of Gojo's body while he's using blue to amplify his punches. Sukuna is literally missing 1-2 of his 4 arms during this fight and is able to not only predict blue but completely dominate Yutgo physically. On top of that Urame straight up says that the only reason they all won was because Sukuna was reincarnated and not in his original form. There is absolutely no way you can sit here and genuinely say Heian era Sukuna wouldn't be physically higher then Gojo in terms of strength and speed when we literally see a far weaker, much more heavily damaged version of him physically dominate Gojo's body. You can argue that Yuta isn't as skilled as Gojo, i'll even agree with you on that. But he is using Gojo's physical capabilites with blue and he is still getting completely overpowered physically.
I believe you are understating just how much Yuta being in Gojo's body negged Gojo's stats. He even stated multiple times that he was not on the level of Gojo in terms of utilization of his techniques. It's how we got the answer to are you the strongest cause your Gojo. It very easy to understand from a narrative standpoint that Yuta was incapable of utilizing Gojo's ability to the same efficency. You can have all the power in the world but if you don't have the mind to utilize it, it becomes borderline useless. A real life example of this is if you gave some random guy Mike Tysons body, sure he would have all the physical stats but the skills don't translate over and that person would get folded by any average boxer. You can't just recognize this narrative point then just completely disregard it after...
@@Shinobu968I believe you are misunderstanding what i am saying. I am not talking about Yuta's utilization of Gojo't techniques. The point made in the video was that Gojo was just as if not more physically powerful then heian era Sukuna which is flat out false. Yuta got into Gojo's body through Kenjaku's technique and Kenjaku's technique gives him the physical stats of the person he's in the body of. He's literally identical to Gojo when it comes to physical capabilities and that's the end of that. Even if his stats were nerfed, they were nowhere close to nerfed as reincarnated Sukuna. He had his arm cut off, he was stabbed through the chest with soul split, he just healed his brain with RCT, he just got done fighting literally everyone, sustaining even more damage, he just got done getting hit with numerous soul rending attacks, jacobs ladder, he's STILL feeling the effects of unlimited void and his fight with Yutjo was right after he got mixed by Todo and Yuji. There is no chance in hell that a fresh off the RCT, full strength Yuta in Gojo's body should have nerfs anywhere comparable to the fatigue and damge that reincarnated Sukuna sustained throughout his entire run at that time. Even though he has all of Gojo's physical stats in that body, you cannot logically say that the "nerfs", if there are any would be that deep to where he goes from fighting 20 finger meguna, maho, and agito down to getting manhandled by a battered and beaten reincarnation with his heart missing and his right arm removed. You have to be trolling to say that crap, espscially since we know how Kenjaku's technique works. Yuta would never be as stupid as to completely nerf himself to such a state because even he would have been stronger then this hypothetically nerfed gojo that you're talking about. How do i know? Because Yuta fought and did far more damage to a Sukuna who was in a far better condition then the one he used Gojo's body against. There is literally no possible way you can slice this to make it sound as if Yuta entering Gojo's body was so deep of a nerf to where it's on the level of Sukuna running the JJK gauntlet and eating every hit possible. The only possible explanation was that reincarnated Sukuna was vastly stronger then Gojo physically because it's the only one that makes sense. On one hand you're trying to convince people that Yuta nerfed Gojo so hard that he ended up weaker then his own body, which is quite literally impossible. While on the other you have a far more sensable explanation of Reincarnated Sukuna just being strong af which again, makes leauges more sense.
The thing is, Gojo is wayy more experienced using blue effectively than Yuta, even Yuta commented that Gojo's limbs are unusually long so even using blue would make aiming harder. Gojo is also using his preferred martial arts, which of course Yuta would completely differ from due to him being a swordsman (Yuta is still decent at h2h, im not telling that hes shit). TLDR, Yuta is not as experienced as Gojo in using six eyes and his technique effectively along with the best h2h arts
@@-ZM_Gaming- you didn't read the full comment. I literally said that Yuta wasn't experienced as Gojo 💀 Please refer to my reply to the last person who didn't read.
It seems that you are confusing durability and stamina with physical combat prowess. These are not the same things... While Sukuna in the Heian era form may be more durable than Gojo, it doesn't mean he has better hand-to-hand combat skills. Additionally, we can't accurately determine the extent of Yuta's nerfs in Gojo's body. We know that limitless is the most difficult ability to master, as even Yuta struggled to fully understand it. As sorcerers gain a deeper understanding of cursed energy, their strength also increases, as seen with black flashes. Yuta only used Gojo's body as a last resort, and it's impossible to gauge how much his inability to fully utilize limitless affected his abilities. Gojo's skill in hand-to-hand combat is largely tied to his use of limitless and blue, which Yuta admits he can not fully utilize. Therefore, it's impossible to accurately measure the extent of his nerf in Gojo's body. The main reason for Yuta switching into Gojo's body was most likely due to Unlimited Void rather than Hollow Purple or Blue abilities. You can pretty much assume how bad the nerfs on based on who's dick you want to suck harder. In this case, I'm meat riding gojo, and you are guzzling down sukuna. It isn't impossible that Yuta's lack of knowledge on blue fucked him over, and you have no proof to dictate otherwise besides the fact it's an assumption that's easy to make if you want sukuna to actually beat Gojo. Which is fine, the ultimate point of the video is to express how open-ended the debate is in the first place. Which I agree with, you can make any number of arguments for either side winning but I feel like saying gojo is better than Heian era sukuna in hand to hand isn't that big of a stretch considering the fact it's literally stated by the author himself and nothing in the manga sufficiently contradicts the statement that Gojo is the best at hand to hand combat. That's all I'm saying.
Saying gojo is superior to hand in hand is so disingenuous it's absurd. Gojo never got the better of sukuna without using blue to knock him off balance or use it to send him flying sukuna was still casually keeping up with a gojo enhancing himself with blue until gojo decided to get cheeky with it and knock him off balance. But no gojo glazers just ignore that for their own agenda.
I don't know that black flash panel did look pretty bad... not to mention once adaptation was complete I don't see why Sukuna wouldn't be using DA, and Gojo fucking dog walked him Mahoraga and Agito at the same time..
Dude, sorry but there's so much suggesting Gojo is literally the peak in jjk in terms of hand to hand combat. I'm not gonna start listing examples. You may need to rewatch the show and read the manga. No one comes close. And it does not take away from it just because gojo is using blue to reinforce his punches. To fight at their level, you have to fight by enhancing your durability, attack power and speed with cursed energy in the first place. Gojo can just do a higher version of that with his technique. If Sukuna could, he would as well. Its like saying Maki's physical superiority to other characters is invalid because of the heavenly restriction. Thats her ability. It doesn't take away from her.
@@Shinobu968 in that black flash chapter he was literally playing defensive i dont even remember sukuna attacking gojo at all in that chapter he was just farming exp for mahoraga instead of properly engaging in hand to hand its really not that "bad" if you try reading it again
@Re-Bourne no?Gojo with no blue still won a hand to hand interaction in sukuna's own domain. Even with ct burnout he's consistently relative to sukuna.Sukuna never kept up with enchanced blue without DA,even when being evasive he always took damage from it and simply can't keep up with it. Sukuna himself has a nervous face everytime gojo closed the gap to hand to hand.
This is indeed correct. Gojo would've won, but because he just wanted a fight with someone who could genuinely take his full power, he didn't. There were so many indicators where Gojo could've easily won, For example, Gojo could've teleported out of malevolent shrine and used his domain and extended the barrier, immediately killing Sukuna due to the fact his domain would likely break. There was so many different possibilities where Gojo could've won, but he chose not to. Gojo's insanely smart, yes, he knew he could. He didn't solely because he wanted to have a fight where someone could take him going all out.
@@Allons-Y-04 It's literal, objective facts. Gojo never wins against any form of Sukuna, the story itself made it pretty clear, though I respect the cope and delusion up to this point.
10:50 you say that gojo could use blue to get out of the domain and make it a stalemate and that’s why he’d be able to win but the personality of the combatant is just as important as what they can do. I think even if Gojo didn’t go in with the intention of killing Sukuna, the raw strength on display would make Gojo want to go all out anyway, simply because he could. So he wouldn’t implement this plan.
“Perhaps you haven't realized yet: The only reason you were The Strongest Sorcerer in History was simply because I wasn't born yet!” - Satoru Gojo from Jujutsu Kaisen (real not fake)
I personally lean more towards Gojo. And this comes down entirely to Sukuna's knowlegde about UV and infinity. I don't think we shoul underestimate how much extra time will be alotted to Gojo in the 3rd an 4th clashes knowing that Sukuna doesn't have the surehit turned off in the domain. I feel like we can expect at least 1.5x to 2-3x in power/output from Sukuna's domain after adjusting it. That extra time(min. 4.5minutes to 9 minutes max) should be enough for Gojo to destroy Sukuna's domain first. I think its fair to assume that sukuna would realise after the 3rd domain that by touching gojo, the surehit is turned off, and so he adapts and reacts the way he did orginally, using hollow wicker basket. Basically means the 2/4 arms are occupied, and he's still getting molly whopped. I also don't really believe in the argument that Sukuna's body is wayyy better than megunas. Its been made clear throughout the story that reinforcement is what determines how tuff someone is. Ryu was a unique case, and there's no sign that Yuji is as tough as him(in fact, Sukuna states the opposite). That's if we wanna go with saying "Yuji is made from sukuna fingers so sukuna is as tough as yuji". Conclusion: Meguna has relative stats to Yuji(maybe less durability, but not significant) because the output of the reinforcement is the same----->Sukuna stats are somewhat superior to Meguna, but not WAY better. I also don't think that Sukuna having an extra mouth(the two arms are using Hollow Wicker Basket) would help a lot. during the period where Sukuna isn't using HWB, he'd still be losing to Gojo, who has significantly better speed and AP(thanks to blue). So sukuna would lose in both scenarios, but they'd take different amounts of time(but remember that gojo is given more time in the scenario where sukuna uses 4 arms). If we go the route where they stalemate all the way through the end of domains, which I think gojo wins anyways, cuz sukuna doesn't have a way to win, although admittedly for them to stalemate the domains, it'd mean that gojo's alr landed UV, so he'd alr won)
what gojo could be able to do in a hypothetical fight between sukuna in his original body and not in megumis is if he does not tie with the tiny barrier domain in the third domain clash he does it again for the fourth time and keeps shifting the tiny barrier domain coordinates moving it away out of malevolent shrine 200 meter guaranteed hit effective range not allowing sukuna domain to attack the tiny barrier from the outside anymore since it would be out of its guaranteed hit effective range
12:33 i think it because it a lot easier to lend a punch on someone chest rather then face. also sukuna at that moment wasn't stunned by uv. since narrator stated that MS collapsed only after 2 minutes in UV so that punch was the thing that shattered MS. and the part where gojo says about crushing his heart instead of brain is said after he thinks sukuna lost since that when UV actually won the clash
@@Allons-Y-04 oh well then my point is just that it a lot easier to hit someone in the chest then head and that gojo started targeting heart only after he thought he won. since before that we clearly see gojo target sukuna's head twice first time with red in MS and second time after i think third domain clash.
Sukuna didn’t even have domain amplification on for most of the fight and was tanking all of his abilities without it. Heian Era Sukuna would still beat gojo, even without knowledge on his technique. Gojo wasn’t above sukuna in h2h when amplification was on. His true form does give him higher stats. It’s been stated multiple times throughout the series that physique is a key part of sorcery. Don’t forget that Gojo conveniently learned how to shrink his domain from the prison realm. Take that away from him and he doesn’t even have a way to counter MS. If you’re gonna match Heian Sukuna against Gojo then you need to remove Gojo’s prison realm experience. Sukuna wouldn’t tire out before gojo either. His cursed energy is at minimum twice the amount of Yuta’s and it’s been stated before that sukuna can expand his domain as many times as needed due to his efficiency. Gege also never said Gojo and Kenjaku are the best h2h fighters in the verse. That question was ranking them on h2h without cursed energy or weapons and Sukuna wasn’t even mentioned in that list of characters Gege was asked about. Gojo doesn’t have better hands than Heian Sukuna. Meguna was pretty much on par with Gojo in h2h when domain amplification was on. Add in 2 extra arms and Gojo is getting overpowered. Saying Gojo wouldn’t “fight the same” can also be applied to sukuna. Gojo loses against version of 20 finger sukuna.
well sukuna beats gojo is literally every clash. Gojo barely tied it against meguna, logically againsts a stronger sukuna with 4 arms he loses that clash as well.
@@salmanshah2617Not to mention Sukuna tanked a point blank 200% hollow purple in his heian era form so there is no real way Gojo can even deal a significant amount of damage to Sukuna with his strongest attack.
To sum this all up for yall poeple, gege akutami said that sukuna without mahoraga will never beat gojo, even the biggest sukuna glazer said sukuna would lose without daddy raga 🤦♂️ Before you comment BS, the creator I got this from is named doronsworld
My dude, stop getting your anime news from Facebook. Gege never said anything of the sort. He said that Gojo was the real cheater in the fight and that he had to change the rules of the power system to even make it possible for Gojo to stand a chance against Sukuna..
1:34 I recommend u use the tcb scans my guy GoJo said he wasn’t sure he could win against Sakuna And people run with that’s GoJo saying he would loose which actually isn’t the case he’s just not 100% sure he could win , doesn’t mean he will loose .
@@Owen-sx4jj Bro said UV WOULD LAND ON HEIAN SUKUNA, when Sukuna literally got 4 arms he would use HALLOW WICKER BASKET, and simultaneously open his domain, goio gets cooked either way.(sukuna doesn’t even need to domain clash) when Gojo fans tranna tell u how gojo would win, they always forget what sukuna can do 😂😂. Before Gojo even think, as he’s getting sliced up in sukuna’s domain, sukuna would use kamutoka to keep raining down lightning on him. Then fuga. But I guess bro wouldn’t think about that.
@@GEEKEDANIMENERD battle of the strongest: gojo gets folded and admits sukuna is stronger Gojo glazers: but but but gojo stwonger 🤓☝️but but but but mahoragaaaa 🤡
"Sukuna Heian" and "Heian Form Sukuna" but when "Gojo Heian Form vs Sukuna Heian Form"? I think it would be interesting thinking how Gojo would perform with the same body as Heian Sukuna. And what if Gojo also started using binding vows like Sukuna started after his fight? I think it would be a lot different than it was.
Knowing how techniques have different interpretations depending on time period would the limitless even exist in an era where mathematics wasn't as expanded upon as it is today?
@@sukunalord7513 Now imagine Gojo who actually was driven by having actual competition. Gojo is a Massive Fish in a Small pool While Sukuna is a Massive Fish in a Massive Pool that had opponents to drive his growth unlike Gojo.
@@KiraiKatsuji sukuna comes out on top everytime. Gojo has most of the verses attacks blocked off the bat. His battle sense will never be as heightened as sukunas.
@@Owen-sx4jj And yet he nearly killed the man so much older with help of the most powerful shikigami that granted him the template to win and every advantage of intel. Like seriously if both went into it blind like Gojo went then it would turn into a complete coin toss with Gojo having the Hakari probability.
@@KiraiKatsuji gojo lost way before this point in the domains without mahoraga or any 10 shadows ever showing his face. Using mahoraga is what caused him to get hit by 0.1 secs because he was doing unecessary stuff, turning off da and also touching gojo just so he could have more time in UV to adapt. A sukuna without mahoraga would not be doing this,. throwing the domain fight like this. He'd have da on at all times and wouldn't stall. Gojo loses. Dude also had gege give him domain shrink tech and " I can heal technique" just so he could last a bit longer in shrine. Shrine is too much for gojo bro.
I do agree that without knowledge sukuna would lose, but in a realistic jjk scenario, sukuna isn't fighting someone without at least some level of knowledge about there arsenal, especially if there considered the strongest. I say this to clarify that without maho and instead using true form, sukuna would certainly play much differently then what we saw since he knows not to try an stall for mahoraga but instead to spread his deck to overcome gojo. If we are also adding the extra finger sukuna never got (which was a nerf but not massive enough for most people to realize) then we could also see sukuna fighting just slightly better with that aswell, since we would see him in his true from which is likely much faster and stronger then megumis body, and an extra finger which would boost him further, Im sure sukuna has the potential to win. Even without the extra finger, at the end of the day we have to remember that sukuna himself has other tricks he could've pulled that could help out in a different situation then the regular "stall for big daddy raga", and in the end miwa solos. (I honestly see both sides having valid points but in reality I just hate gojo fangirls with a passion and wanna see there king burn because of it. #GegeEnergy)
Infinity is easy to figure out, some people think sukuna will just take UV since he doesn't know about it, UV ain't that unique, there are other domains like mahiti's which one shot once you enter Heian era is the golden age of jujutsu, there is no way that sukuna is risking being under a sure hit effect of someone universe looking thing which belongs to such a strong sorcerer like gojo
This fight is extremely even tbh. While gojo is glazed insanely there is a reason why sukuna respected him. People also seem to forget that sukuna needed to plot around gojo. He needed to set up a plan to actually get pass infinity as even if sukuna could use DA to attempt to bypass infinity with his punches its def possible they would still get slowed before breaking through giving gojo time to dodge and counter attack. Gojo also nearly spent every card sukuna had that was actually relevant with him using his last big trump card being his true form after gojo nearly killed him. Also you could def argue gojo not going for sukunas head put him at a big disadvantage as its shown gojo usually just likes to go for a headshot to beat his foes. And against someone like sukuna its nearly impossible to beat him just by going for his body as he's only possessing the body and thus only really needs the brain to remain intact to survive. Now him getting hit in other vitals does matter but honestly had gojo been just going for straight one shot kill shots early on he could of murdered sukuna plenty of times during their fight.
10:13 sukuna only did that in the second clash though? In the third and fourth and fifth sukuna doesn’t turn off his internal sure hit. This is practically confirmed as in 229 sukuna isn’t always touching gojo And if gojo could’ve made an even better counter to MS, why didn’t he? Also, that cannibal at the start managed to make a veil that couldn’t let gojo in but everyone else could. Surely binding vow king, could make a binding vow to make everyone else immune to malevolent shrine but not let gojo leave
in character, it goes either way. theres a ton of scenarios where sukuna would come out on top, but also a ton where gojo comes out on top. even the way it turned out in the manga was really close, had gojo kept applying pressure after that last hollow purple he could have put sukuna down before the world cutting slash or his incarnation. these two are in a league of jujutsu that everyone else has yet to reach, honestly id just rank them as equals
Chill bro.🤣 Gojo death was 0.01 close.. with a sukuna who was throwing the clashes for mahoraga. That's 0.01 secs can easily be covered up has sukuna not used mahoraga from the jump and just went for the kill. Heian form is even worse. Let's Also not forget gojo got given 2 things: domain shrink tech and "I can now heal my technique" two b's things. Gojo loses so hard it not even funny. The fight does not go past the Domains and Gojo will run out of rct and Domains first before sukuna ever will
I don’t even care about the outcome too much cause they are both goated characters but that debunk section was very satisfying You have no idea how many times I’ve tried to debunk the Heian stat buff with 4 arms and Fuga arguments
A reason Sukuna didn’t target the inside of Gojos basketball sized domain may be because it replicates the prison realm and the prison realm can’t be escaped from the inside in other words gojo small barrier isn’t vulnerable to attacks from the inside
For the Hand to Hand Combat I personally believe that Heian era sukuna will still be weaker than gojo's blue infused attacks but it wouldnt be as one side-ded as meguna vs gojo as sukuna was using megumis body and wasnt fully transforming, and as we know megumi is significantly weaker (physically) to even shibuya yuji much less gojo
The vid is just trying to appease everyone. Nah gojo gets washed. This is a sukuna that isn't wasting time and throwing domain clashes for mahoraga. Hed never get hit by uv at all and gojo dies. This is a low to mid diff fight for sukuna. Scrap that you are just a gojo glazer. A dude that barely managed to drip sukunas domain whilst his dropped and caught sukuna only by a fraction of a sec, with a sukuna thats was throwing the domians for mahoraga and juggling 3 things at once comes close to beating any version of sukuna that is actually going for the kill from the jump?!. You arent thinking.
Interesting how he never responds to comments with common sense, only closing himself in a creepy echo chamber gojo glaze 🤣 This community is fkcn cooked
Sukuna came into that fight fully prepped out of nothing but respect. Gojo was fully confident in himself but knew he was fighting the strongest in history. I’d argue they were more even than people want to admit but I do agree that Gojo has the better arsenal. Having Raga helped more than anyone wants to admit and Gojo not being able to end the fight when he landed UV because he wanted Sukuna close to death but not death. At the end of the day the pinnacle of strength is Gojo and Sukuna. Gege got rid of both of them while making both of the completely fine with losing.
I believe heian sukuna still takes it, I mean gojo can win yes however heian sukuna just has the better IQ when it comes to jujutsu and not to mention when it comes to physicals I.E strenght and agility with no ce reinforcment involved sukuna would be equal to gojo since in H2H fights size, speed and strength matters alot, and no in terms of speed and combat speed sukuna is equal to gojo as sukuna was able to somewhat keep up with gojo, its just that gojo is better in H2H but the 4 arms would overwhelm gojo since their speed is equal gojo wont be able to keep up with 4 arms but I do believe gojo would still somehwat rock sukuna but he would have a bit of a ahrder time due to sukunas increased strength
the reason people think gojo said he wouldnt be able to beat sukuna is a translation issue with viz cause they say and i quote "im not sure if i could've beaten him even if he didnt have megumi's ten shadows"
I think Gojo would beat Heian Sukuna because Sukuna quite literally sought after the Ten Shadows and used it just to counter and beat Gojo. If he was already able to beat Gojo, then he wouldn't have bothered with acquiring the Ten Shadows.
People keep forgetting he has hollow wicker basket and if he was in the same situation with 4 arms before the 5th clash hed be able to temporarily halt infinity void sure hit and could summon mahoraga to still break the domain and open another if he doesnt get hit
@@ÇınarSefer-b8o are you sure? When theres no actual proof cause gojo only landed 1 domain for 0.01 secs, also as long as he keeps his hand together he can keep it active weve seen in both yuta 's and yuji's domain
@@Sirdagger-v First of all,He wouldn't activate Hollow Wicker Basket at all.Even a 0.01 Second of exposure to Infinite Void at all would make you recieve the information instantly.So he wouldn't use Hollow Wicker Basket at all.
@@ÇınarSefer-b8o he still was able to react with HWB in both the DE he got caught in after they opened their domain. Mind you yuji caught him off guard and he still reacted
the people debating down there simply means that this video failed its purpose
At least someone understood it :(
@@Allons-Y-04 well he egged multiply people with him saying "king of frauds" in different videos which of course would show his bias for gojo/tring to anger a group of fans which he is now trying to rebuke
Debating is ok as long as nobody is toxic .
@@reapergd741there's nothing wrong with debating??
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This channel is literally on life support atp😭
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fym ? ppl are still making "DBZ" contents , f**king "DBZ" !
how old are you ???
@@yashkapur9854 bro look at his sub count, then look at the views
@@FeetSmeller-c2zits not bad tho
@@Zenioitih check the other videos, This video is doing well the others aren't
I'm a Yuji glazer so I have no dog in this fight
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Todo glazer here I agree with you
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@@gabezepeda5010 true, but bite me
I mean, if Gojo’s goal was just to kill Sukuna and not fight him, then he could’ve won:
After the 200% hollow purple, Gojo was seen to teleport over before Sukuna had healed his arms, so he could’ve opened unlimited void before Sukuna Could open his, winning instantly
Damn you are right. Everybody can with this complicated plans myself included. And the was right in front of my face.
Report Gojo he threw the ranked game
@@overtonmcdowell215😂😂😂 facts!! But sukuna and gojo's back and forth shit talk is part of what makes their clash great. Wouldn't want to miss it
@@ThePsycoNinjaFacts. Gojo and Sukuna were talking grizzly to each other, and I loved it man. Trolling each other with utter disrespect 😂
I would agree but we did see neither Sukuna or Gojo could use domain but the smarter thing would to be to to crush his lungs again with blue
Saying a bit more muscle is an understatement.
True, man looks like a spider at times he got so much lmao.
Shame they don't really help a ton tbh.
If Yuji's 15f sukuna was still as strong as Megumi's 15f Sukuna, no way those muscles are helping.
Yuji is just straight up a grade 1 even without ce.
Bro compared a 5ft 9 kid and an 8ft beast with four arms and said a bit of muscle. Bro is biased and not even tryna hide it
Ok fine. A LOT more muscle… still doesn’t compare to an ability that literally manipulates space. A single blue punch from Gojo literally one shot Uraume, Hakari and Yuta… he also had no problem cutting into Sukuna with just his fist.
@Allons-Y-04 That fist puncturing his chest example seems inconsistent if you take it at face value.
Because Gojo's other hits don't really seem to pierce holes through Sukuna like that, in other instances they inflict superficial damage
I've seen people overrate that feat so much as to say Gojo can just punch through Sukuna's head and kill him that easily, which I find highly disingenuous.
I can give my reasons for why Gojo doesn't do that same level of damage other times he attacks Sukuna.
Gojo was amped by his domain, both his physical reinforcement and technique output, while conversely, Sukuna gets nerfed in Gojo's domain on top of the possibility that the surehit of Gojo's domain incapacitating Sukuna hindered his ability to properly reinforce his body with cursed energy, thus making it easier to damage him.
You good bro? Wasnt sukuna getting dominated by yuji in hand to hand combat?
Sukuna didn’t use domain amplification while inside the domain because he didn’t want to invalidate the adaptation to unlimited void. With domain amp he was shown to be at least somewhat relative to Gojo. Remember he is in a 16 year olds body. In an 8ft tall Goliath: body who is a blitz tier above maki and Yuji in speed, Gojo only catches up to him using blue amped speed. In hand to hand blue amp punches wouldn’t work because of domain amp. Not to mention four arms meaning Gojo isn’t better at martial arts.
Cope
@@benjaminschneider9147 fax pure fax
@@ShadeThaArtistcry
@@ShadeThaArtistnot one thing he said was cope
Four arms doesn’t make sukuna better at h2h combat 😭😭
Gojo stomps him
Simple reason -
Clear win condition:
- infinite void
-no knowledge of gojo arsenal and especially his domain
-even with all of sukuna's arsenal nothing can truly kill gojo decisively (he is not getting dimensional cut coz no mahoraga)
Sukunas Domain Expansion:
@@YeahGuyz-13 remember he tanked that without struggling using rct
Sukuna spamed his domain and even with it working properly it didn't do significant damage but gojo just needed once and that too few seconds to almost winning the fight if mahoraga didn't interfere
The point being if gojo lands his DE -it over
But the same can't be said for sukuna.
this isnt gojo vs sukuna from the heian era
its gojo vs heian form sukuna in shinjuku showdown
@@dharanrobinjames4647 yeah gojo was struggling so little that he just decided to risk breaking his brain to clash with sukuna again since it wasn't doing anything right?
@@Crenchus0 Heian Sukuna literally means Sukuna from Heian Era, not Sukuna from Shinjuku who conveniently was given all information he needs about Limitless technique a fact that almost everyone ignores.
Gojo went into this battle completely blind, he knows nothing about Sukuna even including the fact that he can use open barrier domain.
Give Gojo as much information about Sukuna's kit as Sukuna had about Gojo and Gojo wins Sukuna with 10 shadows as he wouldn't need stupid experiments with his domain as he would know exactly what to expect from him
I pretty much agree with you. But the reason I lean more towards Sukuna is because there is a more concrete route to his victory based on what we saw in the original fight. With Gojo, it's more like: "If Gojo doesn't win the fight inside the Domain this time he would do something or Gojo would fight differently in those early clashes" so then there would be 100 different possibilities of how the fight could have gone. We don't know. It's much more of a guessing game and more headcanon.
With Sukuna I can say that he wouldn't lose the fight inside the Domain in his true form --> he wouldn't be late at opening his next DE because of healing --> he wouldn't get hit by Unlimited Void -->Gojo would start bleeding from his brain --> Sukuna would close his Domain like he originally wanted too before he got screwed over because Unlimited Void hit him and his brain got fucked. The end. But on the other hand, Gege would never write it to be that anticlimactic and that the fight would've ended in chapter 230. So only 7 chapters of fighting. But I do think people underestimate how much of a buff Sukuna's true form is. He literally ate Yuta's Hollow Purple to the face and it just burned him a bit. Heian era body is far superior to Megumi's body.
So basically if Gojo is stupid Sukuna wins?
@@ginnogianni1980 It's not about him being stupid it's just that we don't know what he would do. There are so many possibilities, because let's say they drew at the clash where Gojo won inside the Domain originally. They are both in burnout, fight a bit more and then they Open their Domains again and keep fighting inside. This time Gojo doesn't land UV, but maybe he does something else. In the end I still think Gojo's brain would get friend earlier because he used RCT to heal his exhausted CT more than Sukuna would until that point.
It’s difficult cause gojo also taught sukuna to heal his curse technique, technically also could let him use the surprise of a second domain where sukuna would be hopeless
That's exactly that. His body is crazy durable, he tanked everything they threw at him !!! 💪
(Just a small rant)
They nerfed the hell out of purple, if purple had connected with anything it would have been DELETED from existence (literally stated+imaginary mass) and then the MOST POWERFUL technique of the Gojo clan only starts causing mild burns. Gege is so inconsistent
ahh the classical gojo glazer video where all the advantages that sukuna has over gojo is just stated as dumb arguments.
if u watched his vids a lot you can tell his clear bias for gojo, like the fight ended a year ago bruh. Gojo LOST. let it go
Gege has not said that Gojo and Geto are te best h2h fighters. Gege was given a speicifc list of characters (Which he excluded Maki and Toji from when asked the question cause he felt it wasn't fair), the list was Gojo, Geto, Kenjaku, Naoya, Megumi, Mai and Naobito
If I remember correctly I think Maki and Toji where only excluded because the question was “who’s the strongest without curse energy out of these characters”.
Tbh we don’t even really know how good Kenjaku’s martial arts are anyways.
@@explosivegrapeThat also makes sense. I don’t fully remember the statement only the list itself
Ohhhh makes sense... thx for letting me know :)
@@TheEternalFlame57 Yeah, it was only limited to the big 3 families too (hence kenjaku beinglisted as Kenjaku-Geto and Kenjaku-other guy idk his name lol)
@@binaryboopsva Ohhh that makes sense, cause I was questioning why that weird list of characters for the longest time but that makes sense
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Sorry bro, but saying that gojo would find a new way to combat the domain because he’s creative is not a valid argument. He was only able to do it the other time (doing the impossible) because he had experienced being in the prison realm. Not simply because he’s Gojo. He definitely looses. Even now with all the knowledge we have on jjk that even gojo wouldn’t know we have no clue what he could do to counter sakuna simply being able to last longer. Also the second domain clash didn’t take 3 minutes. Touching gojo let him break gojos barrier extremely fast. 3 minutes wasn’t until the small domain. And when you took away sakunas Knowledge on gojo was that you trying to start them at zero? If Sakuna just popped up in chapter 1 at full power 4 arm monster form, and gojo showed up to stop him. Gojo looses bad. He wouldn’t even have the experience of being in a tiny domain. He never makes it past the doamin clashes.
I agree it doesn't hold as a textbook 'valid' argument but I'm not too bothered by that...
I appreciate you for clearing all confusions people have in this ....and as always great video ......imo the battle is decided in domain clash ....if sukuna overpowers gojo and opens ms breaking uv...then gojo is vegitable.....and if uv hits sukie then he is boiled egg ....... Other than domain battle there can be many other ways but as I imagine that iit would be settled in domain battle ..... Also I don't think we can ever know what would happen bcoz the battle already show many impossible feats from both sides that we didn't know can even happen..... So saying oke is going all out and one completely looses isn't a vaild way to interpretat this
why... do you... speak... like... a 40 year old... with their... excessive use... of ellipses...
Interesting video, but I believe Sukuna would have still won regardless and here's why.
1. In chapter 236 not only did it have Gojo state that Sukuna was stronger than him but there are two other translations that doesn't have Gojo say "it would have been close" instead having him say "I'm not sure I would have won" or "I don't think I would've won" thus telling us Sukuna would have still won
2. Sukuna was not using "Domain Amplification" to nullify/minimize the effectiveness of Gojo's techniques during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes because it would have interfered with Mahoraga's adaptation, so if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he would have double down on "Domain Amplification" during the domain clashes which would have prevented Gojo from dealing enough damage to Sukuna to the point where he wouldn't be able to maintain "Malevolent Shrine".
3. Sukuna's secondary pair of hands and his second mouth would allow him to invoke incantation and hand signs which would not only increase the strength and output of his domain's sure-hit effect but it could even potentially make "Malevolent Shrine" even more refined and courting to Gojo in a domain clash the more refined domain will win the clash and their domains were already evenly matched so if Sukuna did invoke hands signs and incantations in order to further refine his domain then Gojo's domain well collapse much faster then it would have normally.
4. Sukuna could have used "Domain Amplification" to bypass Gojo's infinity and directly touch Gojo and turn off DA and land Cleaves on his body to deal enough damage to Gojo to the point he won't be able to maintain Infinite Void (especially if Sukuna invokes hand signs and incantations with his secondary arms and mouth to increase the output).
Yup
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Gojo stated that the Sukuna he fought was stronger. The Sukuna with the 10S. We are talking about without the 10S.
@@Tojiiigojo didn’t say that 😂😂😂 u gojo fans don’t read
@@prosperebiredelu414 Gojo has only fought 1 type of Sukuna which is Meguna. How does it make sense for Gojo to say Heian Era Sukuna is stronger when he has never fought him..? Does that make sense to you? Gojo was obviously talking about Meguna with the 10S who he lost to due to Mahoraga's adaptation literally within the same chapter.
Sorry I am not here to purposely misinterpret the context around what Gojo said to fit your agenda.
If you think Gojo meant Heian Era Sukuna (without the 10S) is stronger then go ahead. I just think context matters when talking about these statements. Gojo is not just saying any form of Sukuna's is stronger. He is specifically talking about Meguna. It makes no sense to talk about Heian Era Sukuna since they NEVER fought. This is why Gojo says he does not know if he would win without the 10S involved. It is obvious he is talking about Meguna..
At 1:34, I think depending on the translation, Gojo does say he didn't know if he could win against Sukuna even if Sukuna didn't have Ten Shadows.
Ya that’s what mine says, but then again I don’t think the site I’m reading it on has the official translation
Doubt gojo could beat Heian sukuna in hand to hand. the fact the sukuna would need to run amp to fight hand to hand would already reduce the effectiveness of blue. i mean just look at how much it nerfed the output of red. and the fact that you could already hardly find panels where Gojo dominates Sukuna while he was using amp in the original fight speaks volumes.
@khalealhenry3660 gojo dominated every time sukuna used Amp. What are you talking about? Sukuna hit gojo once and it wasn't even a clean hit, while using Amp. It knocked gojo back mostly off the surprise and gojo with his abilities nullified was STILL fighting SUKUNA. What are these sukuna glazers 😂 Gojo literally can't use his abilties and is getting shredded by shrine yet sukuna still can't kill Gojo with 100 percent of his cursed energy and 2 SETS of cursed techniques. Who is really glazing?? Literally no one else in the series is or can deal with what Gojo dealt with
@ThePsycoNinja Gojo actually has 1 hit on sukuna while he's is using amp and that's the punch to the liver and that's being generous because in that panel it wasn't clear if he was using amp or not but u know when it was obvious? When the wheel was over sukuna's head it turned black when sukuna used amp. How many hits did gojo get off while that wheel was black?
@@ThePsycoNinjastop lying with those fake laugh. The only reason Gojo seem to have the upper hand through out the fight was bc Sukuna didn't activate DA most of the time due to adaptation. Means that he didn't even fighting back! Just dodge and tank. And one time Sukuna actually punch Gojo with DA active, Gojo was pushed several feets back. What a liar..
Blud can't stop posting videos about jjk it's his source of income 😔
fym ? ppl are still making "DBZ" contents , f**king "DBZ" !
how old are you ???
you can still use Chatgpt to make a comment if you can think by yourself.
Ok?
The Gojo arguments all hinge on Sukuna not being physically superior (to meguna) in his heian form except he is. Not only that but Sukuna matches the speed of Gojo's domain every clash. Not only that the only reason he took risks like touching Gojo over using Hollow Wicker Basket was to buy time for Mahoraga since amplification paused the adaptation. A lot of the fight had Sukuna not using Domain amplification because it paused adaptation. He landed less blows because for most of the fight he was stalling. Combine that with the fact he could theoretically still be using signs and chants to boost his domain and it's not a contest which domain wins. The fight ends far quicker if Sukuna isn't trying to learn and just wants to kill.
Also the Gojo after image thing isn't impressive since Sukuna still just caught him. Gojo didn't even land a hit with that trick.
@@Winterking44 fax
No just meguna maharaga and agito as well
@@jasperking442 ?
The vid is gojo glazing in deguise but I can see right through it
Sukuna fans are coping every day.
We know Allons-Y is a Gojo glazer and so am I, so i'm here for it!!
There no way heian sukuna isn't physically strong than gojo dudes like 6'8" and ripped with a lot of curse energy making all that that much stronger
So is gojo with blue apmed punches all sukuna gots is two more arms
Why can't you people accept that over 99 percent of tehir phisical prowess comes from cursed every manipulation, tge different that a bugger body would give is so insignificant that only the extra 2 arms and mouth matter as utility not strength nit durability.
If they would fight without energy then yes that body would make a huge diff but with CE in the game it doesn't really matter, blue is far batter than 4 arms.
Well, with Blue no one in the verse even comes close to Gojo's punches. But without blue and just CE reinforcement I do think that Heian era Sukuna would probably be stronger. Still very close. But more importantly, Sukuna would have better reach, which means that Sukuna would most likely be able to make the gap between his and Gojo's hand to hand combat skill a little smaller. Also Sukuna has 4 arms, so there's that.
@@RaiderIsntStupid he cant use his technique nside the domain, and only reason gojo didnt die is because he damaged sukuna enough in h2h sukunas domain collapsed
By that logic, Todo should have better physicals than Gojo because he's yoked as they come, but he doesn't. It's about CE Reinforcement, not just physique. Physique is an important basis, but the CE will do most of the heavy lifting.
@Allons-Y-04
1:42 This mainly an issue of people reading different translations. Other translations do indeed have Gojo saying he's unsure or doesn't think he could have won if Sukuna didn't have 10S.
He was in a 16 year olds body and with domain amplification he was relative to Gojo with a disadvantage in martial skill. Add a body that is insanely strong with four arms. Meaning double the martial skill and add domain amp to counter gojos blue amp and Gojo isn’t standing up to four arms. It would be close but Sukuna is definitely stronger in physical fights as long as he uses domain smp
@@benjaminschneider9147 fax. Gojo glazer dont wanna hear fax
Huh double the martial skill? It doesn't improve his skills it gives him better efficiency in everything that requires a hand ig
It is probably close in terms of hand 2 hand combat i wouldn't say anyside dominates the h2h like gojo did in the fight
"double the martial art skills"..
Bro Sukuna has literally never even thrown a kick on panel lmao. He explicitly relies on having more hands, hence how he got out-bpxed by Yuji despite being stronger still (hence "climbing to my level" as in he's still stronger).
Meanwhile Gojo has shown pretty good martial art skills imo. He's no Yuji, but he's used grappling and locks before, which gives him a distinct advantage.
You can't double skill, it's like saying 2 swords makes you more skilled. You can be stronger with 2 swords, your opponent can't block both, but that doesn't make you more skilled.
@@binaryboopsva Thats just not true. Yuji only ever outboxed him when he only had two hands. Once he got his arms back and healed, he immediately outboxes Yuji. Hell, even while fighting Yuji with two arms in Yuji's domain they were even. Actually read bro
Bro made a video glazing gojo, bro is making head cannon for gojo then proceeded to call sukuna fans head cannon wrong.
He also said gege left the fight open ended, no he did not😂😂, gojo in the afterlife in the official translation said “I don’t think I would win even if he didn’t have 10s” bro used a water down translation😂.
Urauma, kusakaba and even gojo said sukuna was stronger, but bro said “gege left it open ended” 😂😂
Bro said UV WOULDnt LAND ON HEIAN SUKUNA, when Sukuna literally got 4 arms he would use HALLOW WICKER BASKET, and simultaneously open his domain, goio gets cooked either way.(sukuna doesn’t even need to domain clash)
when Gojo fans tranna tell u how gojo would win, they always forget what sukuna can do 😂😂.
Before Gojo even think, as he’s getting sliced up in sukuna’s domain, sukuna would use kamutoka to keep raining down lightning on him. Then fuga. But I guess bro wouldn’t think about that.
Yes.
If they were to rematch Gojo would win (Extreme diff ofc)
Lets first discuss their respective "Inventories":
True Form Sukuna:
- Cleave
- Dismantle
- Dismantle net
- WCS (World cutting slash)
- Kamino
- Domain Expansion (MS)
- Change barrier conditions
- Domain Amplification
- Hollow Whicker Basket
- Black Flash
Gojo:
- Blue
- Blue orbs
- Teleportation
- Maximum Output Blue
- Red
- Hollow Purple
- Unlimited Hollow Purple
- Domain Expansion (UV)
- Change barrier condition
- Make his barrrier smaller
- Simple Domain
- Falling Blossom Emotion
- Black Flash
Good now lets move on to their limitations and restrictions
Limitations:
- Sukuna:
1) He was adapting at times meaning he couldn't fight back because he was using Mahoragas wheel and can't use it the same time as DA
2) He didn't have his 4arms and 2 mouths dince he was fighting in megumi a vessel more suited to take down Gojo
3) This time Sukuna doesn't have the 10S (No Agito as ahealing factor and distraction and more imporantley NO mahoraga for the sake of adaptation aka no 3vs1 and 2vs1)
- Gojo
1) Gojos Was seen holding back for the sake of Megumi once UV hit and he pierced his torso instead of decapitating him whilst saying: " I will bring you CLOSER TO DEATH than Yuji at the detention center"
2) After their Domain clashes Gojo was holding back attacks becauause of Mahoragas adaptation "He is only using lapse for the adaptations sake" meaning he was limited in that regard aswell
Now that we established what their previous limitations were. What really happened in the clashes? Well:
Clash 1) Gojo and Sukuna open their domains and since both are equally strong due to the factors discussed, the surehits cancel each other out. We also learn that if one of the two suffers fatal damage, their domain will break and the other person's surehit will land immediately. Since Sukuna's domain has a wider range than Gojo's, she was able to destroy the barrier of Gojo's domain from the outside (the domain barrier is weak from the outside), thus Gojo's domain is broken He countered by using Two Simple Domains and while he was healing himself he healed his burnt out technique so he managed to land a red and escape the effective range. Chapter reference: 225 - 226
Clash 2) Sukuna's domain is still on from the last clash, but Gojo opens a new one and switches the domain conditions. The domain barrier is now weak from the inside and strong from the outside. Sukuna ties this up by expanding the effective range of his domain and making a binding vow around it Surehit to eliminate his domain but the attacks from outside are stronger. Since Sukuna has sacrificed his Surehit, UV takes over s Surehit to avoid certain death, Sukuna goes back and forth with Gojo (Everyone who touches Gojo during the expansion is safe) - (Fun fact Heianera Sukuna wouldn't have known that because he only saw it when he was in Yuji and led Gojo against Jogo DE clash) So the domain from outside breaks and Sukuna wins again Chapter Reference: 227
Clash 3) Gojo reopens his domain and shrinks it to the size of a basketball (He learned this in the Prison Realm) They say with a shrunken DE the barrier outside is stronger. However, Sukuna counters by reducing the range of his DE to make the outside attacks stronger. We don't see what happens inside the DE but we see that both domains break. We then see that Sukuna did enough damage from the outside and Gojo added enough damage that Sukuna could no longer maintain his domain. We also learn that Gojo's shrunken domain can withstand 3min 11sec against Sukuan's slashes ditto: Gojo does enough damage in 3min and 11sec and Sukuna loses Chapter Reference: 227-228
Clash 4) Gojo and Sukuna reopen their domains Gojo closes his again and they fight in H2H - Gojo manages to add enough damage and Sukuna breaks the domain from the outside Chapter Reference: 229
Clash 5) Gojo and Sukuna both open their domains but this time Sukuna was 0.01 seconds too late because he still had to heal himself, 2 minutes and 40 seconds passed and Gojo managed to do enough damage within this time to cause Sukuna's domain to break. Gojo squeezes his heart and says he will bring closer to death so Yuji it was Sukuna counters with the appearance of Mahoraga who has adapted since Megumi's soul took up the process of UV in the first clashes (Heian kuna of course has neither Mahoraga nor Megumi's soul) Chapter Reference: 229
Great now that we have an in depth analasyis on what happened what would have went differently in their clashes If TF Sukuna and Gojo went at it? But before we talk about that lets take a little discourse and discuss Hollow Whicker Basket:
HWB (Hollow Wicker Basket):
The technique is called by a hand signal in which the user folds his fingers under each other and at the same time stretches his arms forward. As the name suggests, Hollow Wicker Basket takes the form of a spherical, woven, basket-like guard that surrounds the user.
It neutralizes the barrier of a domain equipped with a cursed technique to nullify the guaranteed hit. However, it cannot neutralize cursed techniques itself, making it ineffective against incomplete or non-lethal domains
HWB has been used by a total of two characters and a total of three times:
Reggie Star against Megumi in chapter 171 - Unlucky as Megumi's domain is incomplete and HWB cannot cancel the surehit.
Hajime Kashimo vs Hakari wanted to use it but didn't
Ryomen Sukuna vs. Yuta in Chapter: 249 to neutralize his DE but he had to leave HWB on and use two arms and a mouth for it
Ryomen Sukuna against Yuji in Chapter: 266 to prevent the surehit of his DE he also tells us here that HWB and SD might be overpowered and to compensate for this he constantly lifts the two hands together he doesn't say that Yuji's soul punches break it but that they can't be healed so of course they also bring down the output As soon as he can't keep the hands together anymore HWB is no longer there and luckily he was able to restore his Burned out CT in time to expand his domain.
We have also seen that HWB is not effective against flucj techniques i.e. blue, red, purple, etc in the case of Satoru Gojo blue is an attractive mass which allows gojo to pull force full stuff or "pull" it away he also uses this in the fight against sukuna to throw him to the ground or throw him against the wall in the first H2H exchange.
Before we talk about how the clashes would play out. What are their Wincons:
- Sukuna:
1) DE: He can win via MS if Gojo overstrains himself >5 times and doesn't manage to land UV
2) If we include WCS its a wincon alltough Gojo can tp since Sukuna has to chant and point
- Gojo
1) De: If Gojo gets UV off its game over for True Form Sukuna
2) Hollow Purple/Unlimited Hollow Purple: Is proving out fatal if Gojo deals enough damage before hand
In conclusion to their wincons we can safely say: If Sukuna isn't able to win via DE clashes he loses the same goes vice versa however: If somehow they were to stalemate DEs and fight without DEs Gojo would Win in a mid-High diff manner.
Ok now we pretty much established everything besides what would happen in that TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash:
TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash:
As established True Form Sukuna has no 10S and can focus 100% on fighting with double the amount of arms and a additional mouth for chants
So what exactly would it boil down to I mean Gojo shrinks his barrier and they fight... Sukunas Goal is to stall 3minutes and Gojos is to deal enough damage in 3min meaning it would boil down to mainly a single factor: H2H combat
H2H: In their previous H2H encounters we have seen Gojo be superior with (DA and without DA) whilst Gojo also 3cs1 ed a 12ft adapted Mahoraga, a distraction and healing factor called Agito and Sukuna anf was handling them (Tbf he did have a BF amp but its doesnt change the fact it was a 3vs1) and TF Sukzna had not really shown us good H2H feats either against the likes of Maki, Yuji, Yuta, Yuji, Kusakabe alltough he was in a weakened state lets not forget Gojo was aswell (His rct output was on the decline and he had 1 arm at one point) But here are the H2H stats (I didnt count all the hits in the 3vs1 for Gojo so Sukuna has an enormous advantage here:
Sukuna:
Attacks: 13
Blocks: 9
Dodges: 7
Connects: 1
Grapples: 1
Striking percentage: 7.6%
Gojo:
Attacks: 20
Blocks: 7
Dodges: 5
Connects: 4
Grapples: 3
Striking percentage: 20%
In conclusion Gojo defense and offensepercentages were better "BuT Da WasN'T AlWAyS oN" yes but he nevertheless threw punches and Gojos defense was better also even if we exclude da Gojo leads the percdntages by 10% menaing there is no doubt about it also as I mentioned I didnt even count the punches for the 3vs1 if we were to include those then Maho only landed 1 attack on Gojo because it caught him offguarfd... Funfact Sukunas only landed attack was one that caught him offguard aswell
TF Sukunas H2H stats against the shinjuku squad were pitiful but lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was in critical condition
In conclusion Gojos H2H is just better even when 3 people were versing him
Now we gathered all the info we need so what do I think would hapoen in their clashes, well thats simple: Gojo and Sukuna would fight and as the clashes go on the damage would eventually acummulate and Gojo woudl win via inflicting enough damage as he did in their real fight (So he wins by either dealing enough damage to the point sukua can't maintain his de anymore or until he gives himself that 0.01 sec advantage that could reoccur anytime. Looking at it mathematically Gojo has a higher chance of winning more times which is why the winner is:
WINNER: SATORU GOJO (EXTREME DIFF)
I ain’t reading all that
@Poke_gamerYT
Most literate sukuna fan:
@@Levi_Goat Bro I am a Gojo glazer I meant to say that the explanation is extremely big but it is very well written
@Poke_gamerYT
Oh thx dawg you never know with sukuna fans ...
2:59 It's in context to his domain's fire arrow. He can still use it on its own without a domain in a 1v1 as shown when he cooks Jogo without his domain. Gojo needed maximum RCT output to survive his domain, so adding a stronger flame arrow to it just simply overwhelms his healing and kills him.
He can use it on its own but one it’s own it didn’t even properly destroy Jogo’s body and also as soon as Gojo burnt out he tried to run so Sukuna had to stop him instead of opening Furnance
@@Allons-Y-04 Jogo is of course going to be resistant to fire as a fire cursed spirit. Heian Sukuna can just chase him while making the arrow with his hands.
@@Allons-Y-04 doesnt change the fact that furnace one shots gojo
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 I agree. If he was ever able to get it off which he isn't... its the same principle as not letting Gojo charge purple. Gojo won't give him a chance to use it and won't be hit by it unless he's burnt out of his CT
@@Allons-Y-04yes, but Furnace is a sure hit inside the domain, also, Sukuna has four arms, he can chant and prepare the arrow with 2 hands while fending off Gojo with the other two.
You missed a few points. Mainly this one. Heian sukuna doesnt have two different sets of cursed techniques. The main thing about that is no mahoraga. Meaning 2 things. gojo can use his arsenal as much as he wants. And he wont spend as much time trying to figure out what is going on with the ten shadows or mahoraga. So what difference does it make?
In the video you say that sukuna would be winning the domain clashes and forgot one main thing. Gojo figured out he could destroy the shrine to stop the slashes. The problem is his abilties were limited because of mahoraga. But this on top of the fact that gojo can tank the slashes from shrine and multiple other options in case he loses a domain clash, puts heian era sukuma at a major disadvatage in the case of domain versus domain. Which was the second part of their fight.
But with no mahoraga, gojo could use red, blue or purple and pop the shrine. The shrine is easily destroyed. There is no way to stop the effect of UV however.
Where does this leave sukuna? Probably not an immediate loss(i can see sukuna coming up with a binding vow or something), but sukuna would need to URGENTLY, try to gain an advantage over gojo because he is at an EXTREME disadvantage in this situation. If any 1 of UV lands, it'll be much longer than a few seconds. Plus If any UV lands, he may no long be able to use his domain or maybe cursed techniques.
Then gojo could actually follow through with his plans and crush sukuna's heart, LUNGS, and liver. Meaning he negates the usefulness of the heian form in the fist place which takes stress off sukuna's internal organs. And without shrine, this just looks grim. Majorly in Gojo's favor
He didnt even knew that sukuna is adapting during thr clashes🤡
Simple Reason Sukuna Wins
He is way better at Hth Remember How Yiji was beating The shit out of 2 armed Sukuna but gave up on even touching him the moment His arms Got restrored He got his ass Wooped . So Heian Sukuna Hth >>>> Yuji who has some Relativity To Gojo At least Even Though I think they are close
2nd Bro Forgot Sukuna Went for adaption Therefore Wasnt Using DA Most of the Time in the Domain Clashes and He only Turned off His sure hit In the Second Domain clash He never Turned It off after that This is So much Clear Because In 262 Sukuna Still needed 3 minutes To break UV We know He wasnt touching Gojo all the time So His sure hit was active all the time
Now You got A sukuna With Far superior Hth skills then Meguna Who with DA as we saw in the Early Stages of the fight Is at min Relative To gojo in Hth Wont be able To outlast Gojo In every Domain Clash nice Joke
And To your point About heian Sukuna Not knowing About Uv this works Both ways It has been Shown Multiple Tikes how smart Sukuna is abd He always Expects His opp to have a Trump Card Like we saw with His figjt against Yorozu Maho So Not knowing about UV would Probably Make Sukuna Way more cautious and He would Avoid risk even more Leading To his simple Victory .
I have saidy reasone with Proof now Sukuna wins 999/1000 times From My point of view and This is no Glaze
I disagree but like I said in the vid, each to their own
@@Allons-Y-04 yeah 👍 why are we even arguing this after 1 year everyone has their own opinions and i respect that completely. Have a good day bro
I also wanna bring up the fact that gege gave 2 things to gojo so he could actually survive malevolent shrine. "Domain shrink" and " I can now heal my technique" bs. Gojo dies in 4 clahes without mahoraga and 2 if sukuna is in his heian form
13:02 “Gojo vs Sukuna was left so everyone could make their own opinion”
223: “The strongest sorcerer IN HISTORY vs the strongest sorcerer of today”
234: “Sukuna still has to hold back.”
236: “And he wasn’t giving it all he had.”, “Honestly I don’t think I would’ve won even if he didn’t have Megumi’s Ten Shadows.”, “I put everything I had into trying to reach him. To make him understand. All my physical training, those techniques I mastered. My explosiveness, quick thinking and attempts at humor. I gave it my all, but it wasn’t enough.”, “The loneliness that comes with unrivaled strength”, “Sukuna wasn’t able to give me his all though.”
237: “The battle against THE STRONGEST continues!!”, “Did you earn the title of THE STRONGEST?”
238: “As a sorcerer, there is no greater advantage than having twice the number of arms and mouths.”
250: “It pains me to admit it, but we’re up against the strongest sorcerer right now.”
265: “Unless the STRONGEST SORCERER IN HISTORY can’t catch some crayfish?”
268: “The only possible cause of master Sukuna’s defeat would be his incarnated form. You plebeians had no strength. Luck was just on your side. You narrowly escaped death by simply being born one thousand years too late.”
If it’s not obvious that heian era Sukuna is the peak of the verse then you’re just cooked.
Bro forgot to include all the other stuff that hypes up Gojo too… like the literal note that says ‘The strongest etches his name on the old battlefield of Shinjuku’ or ‘my limitless is far superior’ or ‘for the 1st time in 1000 years Sukuna felt the height of tension’. This goes either way…
@@Allons-Y-04 yeah you’re incompetence is just clear. Every time they refer to Gojo as the strongest it’s in the context of him being the strongest of TODAY. If I talk about who is the best basketball player in history then I’m saying who is the best basketball player of all time while if I said who was the best basketball player of today I would be talking about who is the best basketball player of today’s era. If Gojo was truly the strongest sorcerer of all time he would be referred to as the strongest sorcerer in history. And sure Gojo can have a better cursed technique then shrine but that doesn’t make him stronger then Sukuna. By that logic Takaba should be the strongest since his cursed technique is the best. Or even Mahito should be considered stronger then Sukuna as idle transfiguration is better then shrine. But obviously they’re not therefore the cursed technique is just one component of what’s being the stronger. And sure Sukuna can feel worried but that still doesn’t now mean he’s weaker then Gojo. If LeBron James were to 1v1 Kevin Durant do you not think LeBron would be worried about losing even though he’s better than KD? There is no “this can go either way” the objective answer that Gege has given us since the beginning is Sukuna is the objective strongest character in the series. Gojo is only the second best which is why he lost.
Wtf,man.
"The strongest in history" and "the strongest of today" just a title.
You really think that Gege at the beginning of the fight just said who stronger and who will win?
@@Allons-Y-04that statement was before he loses.
@@Allons-Y-04Without domain amplification Sukuna would have already died, sheathing yourself inside an empty space isn't a lower level defense technique, it's like using kamui but instead of placing your body in another space you place this space around you to protect you...hope you understand domain amplification and why Sukuna survive from blue, red and purple during all this fight.
I completely disagree with Gojo being vastly superior to Sukuna in hand-to-hand combat, if sukuna were using his heian era body. First off, what statement did Gege make regarding Gojo and Geto, and if he did make a statement, when was it made, because gege wouldnt just say that a character who hadnt been even revealed yet had greater hand-to-hand skills than established ones.
Whilst Gojo was better than Meguna in hand-to-hand by a noticable margin, I would argue that Sukuna who would be OVER 2x as strong in h2h bare minimum (since he both would have double the arms, and a much stronger body (fuck you, the physical body does make a difference, this is proven several times in the story through itadori as well as hakari stating that Sukunas hulk sized body was afear to him)), and would bare minimum close the gap, if not make sukuna the more dominant one, even if he isn't outright faster.
You also tried to say that gojo fighting mahoraga, agito and sukuna somehow means that heiankuna would still be worse in hand to hand than gojo, but why? mahoraga is weaker in hand to hand than a 15f shibuya sukuna, and agito is significantly weaker than that (gojo stated as much).
We literally see a weakened heiankuna vs a weakened Gojo (i.e. Yuta) and Sukuna is clearly shown beating him, despite being in a far more disadvantageous state than Yutajo.
The fight would still be ridiculously close, but from not only a powerscaling perspective, but a narrative one, Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer, until the current generation surpasses him
Can’t compare Gojo to Yuta cus it was Yuta’s H2H not Gojo… also Yuta literally overhead slammed him into the ground 😭
@@Allons-Y-04 sukuna was at a much bigger disadvantage, before this he had:
Brain damage
A missing heart
2 missing hands
multiple soul punches from yuji
Jacobs ladder
Plus other general injuries from yuta and the others
all without rct to heal them.
yuta on the other hand is still disadvantaged, but compared to sukuna being hit with every debuff imaginable, having slightly longer limbs is rather trivial. especially since yuta had switched bodies with gojo over the timeskip, so he wasn't completely new to limitless.
even with that disadvantage, sukuna is comfortably dominating yuta, and only has to tank a Hollow purple (which didnt even do that much (chant amped btw)) due to inumakis cursed speech
Of course Gojo would have been able to win if he didn't have megumi's ten shadows. It's not like he didn't have a whole ass health pack that could have returned him to his original body if megumi's took too much dama- oh wait 💀
Health pack*
That didn't even heal his brain or restore his ce pool
@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei He didn't heal his brain but his body was healed and CE was still more then enough. Even though it wasn't "regained" he still had way more then what Gojo had after that max purple.
So yeah, it was a health pack and a pretty damn strong one too. He completely obliterated MBA Kashimo who factually is physically superior to Gojo just based off his feats and abilities.
Gojo vs Heian Form Sukuna... what you think?
Heian Form Sukuna should neg diff, once he opens his domain gojo is cooked no matter how much RCT he uses lmao
Nah it goes eitherway if he dosent have any information on gojo's abilites and he cant use furnace
@@YeahGuyz-13 Nothing suggesting Sukuna's domain has higher output in Heian form tho... if it was everyone else would have been cooked by it
@@Allons-Y-04 there is, in the panel of the kashimo fight it's stated his output is higher because he can perform chants and sign while fighting
to be honest i dont think sukunas on gojos level unless gojo goes out of the way to debilitate himself to have a fun form of fight , the sort that would be more of a strength for sukunas toolset, what i am trying to say is if you compared them the way people do cross verse battles or if you could just plug your controller up gojos ass hed win almost every time, as in 1he never needs to let sukuna get close enough to him to touch him 2 sukuna cant touch him through the infiinity,3 if somehow the infinity wasnt a factor sukunas attacks lack the damage output to put gojo down before gojo recovers from it, the only reason the world slash got him was because he just stopped healing for some reason,4 he could genuinely just keep spamming purples from outside his range with no downside because of the 6 eyes, also sukunas domain would never be a problem for him because if its open he gets out instantaneously and purples it to bits, if its closed he purples the barriers to shatter as he did when yuta was being a fraud in his body, also he does genuinely just win the domain clash even iwith the induced stupidity from gege so sukuna wasnt just lowdiffed
The power of a JJK fan who read his manga is unmatched 👏
yea read jjk with his eyes closed more like
outside domains gojo might win but it wouldn't make sense for them not to use it so sukuna imo whether it's 20f yujikuna, meguna or og sukuna wins through domain clashes. The 1st round of that fight showed sukuna's win con
No it didn't,gojo can choose to disengage anytime from the domain by not clashing and teleporting
If sukuna closes his domain gojo wins in refinement or they tue without ms sure hit on the outside meaning gojo can damage sukuna to the point where his domain collapses with no threat on his own because he's stronger in almost every way outside of domain clashes.
@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei if gojo wanted to or could teleport out, he would have. He literally tried to run away the first time he’s domain collapsed and Sukuna stopped him and after that he did a DE 4 times cause it’s in his natures to try and win that way. Same as Sukuna, he knew UV was a problem but still backed himself against it. All goes back to what he said to jogo when jogo didn’t want to domain clash with him, it’s a loser’s mentality to not try.
@@AhmadKazan-wk7eithe refinement is equal. Barrierless isn't abt refinement. Sukuna would close his domain in the 4th clash after Gojo fried his brain and he wouldn't be able to open his domain nor uses his ct and no h2h advantage against 4 armed Sukuna.
in character, this fight can go either way. but if u can plug a controller into gojo to just maximize his own life than going all out for fun, gojo could easily play a very long game with sukuna. sukuna's reserves are massive but gojo's can be restored constantly, almost giving him endless ct. gojo could just not clash domains and just tp out. and if sukuna closes it, then gojo could clash and stalemate
Gege actively ignored half of his own description on the limitless technique and there are still many strategies for gojo to win pretty easily.
@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei no
Probably the best Gojo vs Sukuna video I've seen.
This is why I believe furnace is completely useless because it requires a lot of prep work just to unlock it. But yeah this is why binding vows are stupid
thats the downside but if sukuna somehow pull it off its game over.
What a reasonable and great video ❤
gojo fought the guy and admit inferiority several times need i say more
He did? Can u give a few examples... cus if anything I felt it was the other way around.
'I'm glad... when it comes to techniques, my limitless is far superior'
@@Allons-Y-04 ct superiority does not denote "superiority" from a holistic standpoint
@@4nnd711 In which chapter did gojo admit inferiority? Bro just making up random bs out his arse lmao
@@devilslayer8675”idk if i would’ve won even if he didn’t have 10 shadows” “sukuna wasn’t able to give me his all” “im glad i died facing a stronger opponent” “i put everything into reaching sukuna but it wasn’t enough” need any more?
@@Allons-Y-04 your reading comprehension is actually so bad holyyyy
I closed the video immediately he implied that having 2 additional arms would not make Sukuna better at hand to hand combat. This is like saying if Gojo had 1 arm, he would have the same proficiency at hand to hand as when he has two arms. The logic kills me everytime.
Sukuna wins via DE clashes. Gojo win cons consist of: catching a weakened sukuna offguard with hollow purple (which he actually did in cannon and failed) or landing unlimited void, so gojo will opt of DE clashes like the cannon fight. Heian sukuna will not switch off DA and he has a way stronger body and 4 arms, so gojo will NOT be able to do enuff damage to collapse sukunas domain. Gojo will give himself brain damage from rct his burnt out ct, then sukuna will end him with Malevolent shrine.
The only way gojo can beat heian sukuna is if he learns open barrier DE in the fight. This is extremely unlikely coz if he could do it then he would have tried in the cannon fight. Gojo is NOT like sukuna, who can see a technique once and be able to do it. Gojo learned rct as a teen and by adulthood he was unable to output rct like yuta and shoko, so in 10+ years he was not able to learn outputting rct? Lol. Gojo is not on sukunas level at all, and that is why he was SAD that he did not REACH sukuna. Cry gojo glazers 😂
I think sukuna heian form should be superior in no domain, accordibg to chap 228-231 gojo is only slightly superior to DA meguna, while DA heian form sukuna is way stronger than DA sukuna
So question?
The whole reason why Sukuna fought this way was to get the WCS(world cutting slash)right? He needed to make a binding vow so that he could launch off a WCS without conditions right? If we’re being honest Gojo would let Sukuna transform for fun. So Sukuna would have four arms, his knife, and the WCS without conditions. If he had all that why would he limit the brand new technique he just got and not just finish off Gojo? Why cripple himself when he can just finish off the students with unhindered WCS? My guess is that Sukuna knew he wouldn’t be strong enough, that the only way he’d be able to beat Gojo was if his guard was down and he surprised him.
Or that his strategy of taking damage on purpose for Mahoraga's adaptation left him too damaged to use WCS slash so he just made a binding vow and got it done. Also, binding vows are a part of the power system, Gojo himself made several in his fight vs Sukuna
cause wcs is a massive win con , not against gojo but against anyone he faces in future regardless of how bad is his physical condition.
I mean , gojos students were under a constant threat of wcs. Sukuna wasnt just fighting gojo from start , he was planning of the fight that would turn out after beating gojo ( there are many statements to prove that sukuna was hella confident that he will win against gojo regardeless of adaption succeding or failing )
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 huh? Sukuna got fried by purple and his RCT was down right? Transformation though would heal him but I’m guessing he didn’t want to use that on Gojo because it just wouldn’t be enough anyway. He needed the sneak attack to catch Gojo off guard.
Things that Sukuna would do differently without Mahoraga:
1. No playing Risky
2. Constant Domain Amplification
3. Using Dismantle when Infinity is down
Results:
1. Wouldn't be touched by Infinite Void
2. Gojo struggles to deal serious damage
3. Gojo's Output would exhaustes way faster
Either Gojo's RCT is exhausted and he is torn apart by Malevolent Shrine or he loses his Domain and is also torn apart.
If Gojo was tieing domain battles against a Sukuna who was actively playing Risky, had an inferior body, couldn't use his own Cursed Technique nor Kamutoke when given chances to do so, and could only use Domain Amplification to fight/defend himself for tiny bursts. If Gojo was tieing against that, then how does he win in a situation where Sukuna actually uses those things. Get rid of the Ten Shadows and suddenly Sukuna has all that. Mahoraga was not necessary, it was only the most entertaining option.
Gojo's victory isnt impossible. Im not sayint that, he's the honored one afterall, but the odds are all against him.
Man.. y’all can’t accept anything it’s almost 2025 and gojo died in 2023..
Lets be real :
Feats : Sukuna (he litterally took the verse alone and lost to plot armor like most of vilains)
Portrayal : confirmed multiple time as the strongest in history
Skills and knowledge : skills is debatable but knowledge go to Sukuna
Speed strenght etc are more like for pure powerscaling debate so with « simple » criteria , when Gege tried to put Gojo above Sukuna ?
And it’s funny how y’all try to downplay Sukuna W cons , y’all don’t even understand fugua issue
Sukuna changed multiple time the priorities of his bareer, what if he didn’t for three consecutive clash ? Maybe he could farm enough
Sukuna > gojo
High diff
Stop the cope
Sukuna is superior than Gojo in most aspects really. But Gojo is at least somewhat better using his CT bcs of six eyes, faster bcs of blue and harder to hit bcs infinity. Everthing else Sukuna is superior... Aside from visual, and maybe they are both equal in "learning".
EDIT: From "Visual" i say eyesight related atributes.
@@SunsetoOFC Sukuna is stronger ofc
@@Zenin_Loutfi Yeah, but he isn't superior in every single aspect, but in majority he is.
I'm just gonna put this here. Gojo never stood a chance against Sukuna. It would have been an easier fight if Sukuna only needed to kill Gojo and was not trying to tear through infinity. I'll explain:
If Sukuna was to fight Gojo without any information about unlimited void and without 10 shadows, it would have obviously started out with testing each other out. Sukuna will quickly notice the barrier and understand that there is a wall between them formed by a technique and then he would attempt domain amplification to get past it.
Then comes the domain expansion battle. They would both expand their domain and Gojo's domain will break in the first instance. On the second try, Gojo will swap the conditions of his barrier to make it last longer but it would still break. On the third try, Gojo uses the small domain. This is where the difference starts showing. 10 shadows Sukuna was unable to fight optimally because using domain implication to fight Gojo would have been pausing/disrupting the 10 shadows technique. So Sukuna was essentially fighting Gojo with just cursed energy reinforcement, no barrier techniques or cursed technique, while Gojo was using everything except purple. Even then, he was able to stalemate with Gojo at 3 minutes, twice. If Sukuna is allowed to freely use domain amplification, he would be able to break Gojo's domain faster because, as we saw, being even 1 second faster or slower would determine the battle at that stage. Keep in mind that domain amplification cancels or dulls most technique making Gojo's attacks less potent. If we go further to assume that Sukuna starts this fight with 4 arms and two mouths, then you can imagine that he would have even more advantage in hand to hand against Gojo in the domain clashes.
That said, fast forward to when Gojo eventually gets brain damage from repeatedly refreshing his burnout cursed technique. We will be left with a situation where Gojo has to fight Sukuna inside Malevolent Shrine. I used to assume Gojo's infinity would be able to prevent Malevolent shrine's surehit from landing but in chapter 15, Gojo confirms that the surehit of a domain will eventually bypass infinity naturally. Well, once Sukuna closes his domain and the surehit is able to land, you can just imagine what would happen next....Fuga? RIP
Finally!!! Someone who actually understands this sukuna and gojo shit🤦🏾♂️ I’m knew I wasn’t the only one. Great video.
yay more jjk content
Gojo stated that he will worry about megumi after he killed sukuna
Exactly
Just cause a character said it doesn't make it true,he said it to sakuna duh ofc he has to kill him to save megumi but without vaporizing him with 100 purples or taking off his head meaning when he got that void off he could've literally grabbed his brain and fired him instantly @@Allons-Y-04
A JJK video, what. Thats surprising but I ain't complaining
Gojo vs Meguna without Mahoraga gojo wins but if its Heian Era Sukuna with no Mahoraga it goes eitherway
Gojo loses on both accounts
@@Owen-sx4jj no.
He geniunly doesnt lose against meguna no matter what if there's no mahoraga.
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 sukuna whole aim in the clashes were to adapt.🤣 Without mahoraga sukuna would focus on killing gojo instead and would never get hit by UV. Gojo dies soon after
Why do you think? Sukuna would overpower gojo in h2h in meguna form lol? which literally isn't the case. @@Owen-sx4jj
Sukuna was switching between adapting and clashing. Focusing on two things.
Ngl i 100% take this kinds of vid topics with grains of salts.
Whatever anyone says(including gege), from what was shown in the manga the fight between gojo and sukuna is the definition of an extreme diff fight. Both party gave it their all and either one of them could've lost at any moment.
Sukuna gave it his all?! Nah. Dude was throwing the domain clashes for mahoraga. He had other options than just killing gojo. Gojo on the other hand have everything.
@@Owen-sx4jj yeah,yeah. Bro received all that damage cuz he wanted to. And it's not like making mahoraga adapt to infinity didn't give sukuna the perfect win con against gojo. Ofc in your opinion bro was doing it shits and giggles.
@@Edolph_6m that is what was literally happening. He was adapting in mahoragas place, taking all the hits for the shikigami. It's why the wheel was on his head. And yeh he was throwing the domains because of this. At one point he literally turns off his own sure hit just so he can attack gojos barrier from the outside which takes longer to do whilst he touched gojo and takes the time to adapt. He was also turning off da multiple times especially during the 3 and 4 clashes so yh. He was deliberately taking hits. Sukuna got caught by a sec just because of this. Without mahoraga that would never happen because he'd have da on full time and dosent need to touch gojo either.
@@Owen-sx4jjHe has no choice because he cant kill gojo with his shrine, gojo can even use maximum output blue which can disintegrate sukuna in his own domain while also using falling blossom emotion to negate shrines sure hit effect since theres no agito and mahoraga in his way if sukuna didnt take damage and let mahoraga adapt.
@@Owen-sx4jj he had to use a riskier option and hold back because it was the only way to win the fight😂 he confirmed with his first few domains that shrine couldn't kill gojo, and he wasn't going to be able to use his flame arrow. so his only option after that point was the riskier option with maharaga. it's the same as when jogo was fighting gojo and didn't use his city destroying attacks that he used on sukuna, because they literally wouldn't have done anything to gojo because of infinity so of course he held back. wy use an ability that wouldn't work?
Man finally, finally out of the, four videos I've seen on the subject, yours is the one that really understands what Gege was probably going for, your RCT (Reading Comprehension Technique) is truly unmatched
I'm sorry but if you think Gojo would physically overpower Heian Era Sukuna, you have to be under an extraordinary amount of glaze.
We literally see a fatigued, CE drained, and injured reincarnated Sukuna physically overpower and dominate Yuta inside of Gojo's body while he's using blue to amplify his punches. Sukuna is literally missing 1-2 of his 4 arms during this fight and is able to not only predict blue but completely dominate Yutgo physically.
On top of that Urame straight up says that the only reason they all won was because Sukuna was reincarnated and not in his original form.
There is absolutely no way you can sit here and genuinely say Heian era Sukuna wouldn't be physically higher then Gojo in terms of strength and speed when we literally see a far weaker, much more heavily damaged version of him physically dominate Gojo's body.
You can argue that Yuta isn't as skilled as Gojo, i'll even agree with you on that. But he is using Gojo's physical capabilites with blue and he is still getting completely overpowered physically.
I believe you are understating just how much Yuta being in Gojo's body negged Gojo's stats. He even stated multiple times that he was not on the level of Gojo in terms of utilization of his techniques. It's how we got the answer to are you the strongest cause your Gojo. It very easy to understand from a narrative standpoint that Yuta was incapable of utilizing Gojo's ability to the same efficency. You can have all the power in the world but if you don't have the mind to utilize it, it becomes borderline useless.
A real life example of this is if you gave some random guy Mike Tysons body, sure he would have all the physical stats but the skills don't translate over and that person would get folded by any average boxer. You can't just recognize this narrative point then just completely disregard it after...
@@Shinobu968I believe you are misunderstanding what i am saying. I am not talking about Yuta's utilization of Gojo't techniques. The point made in the video was that Gojo was just as if not more physically powerful then heian era Sukuna which is flat out false.
Yuta got into Gojo's body through Kenjaku's technique and Kenjaku's technique gives him the physical stats of the person he's in the body of. He's literally identical to Gojo when it comes to physical capabilities and that's the end of that.
Even if his stats were nerfed, they were nowhere close to nerfed as reincarnated Sukuna. He had his arm cut off, he was stabbed through the chest with soul split, he just healed his brain with RCT, he just got done fighting literally everyone, sustaining even more damage, he just got done getting hit with numerous soul rending attacks, jacobs ladder, he's STILL feeling the effects of unlimited void and his fight with Yutjo was right after he got mixed by Todo and Yuji.
There is no chance in hell that a fresh off the RCT, full strength Yuta in Gojo's body should have nerfs anywhere comparable to the fatigue and damge that reincarnated Sukuna sustained throughout his entire run at that time. Even though he has all of Gojo's physical stats in that body, you cannot logically say that the "nerfs", if there are any would be that deep to where he goes from fighting 20 finger meguna, maho, and agito down to getting manhandled by a battered and beaten reincarnation with his heart missing and his right arm removed.
You have to be trolling to say that crap, espscially since we know how Kenjaku's technique works. Yuta would never be as stupid as to completely nerf himself to such a state because even he would have been stronger then this hypothetically nerfed gojo that you're talking about. How do i know? Because Yuta fought and did far more damage to a Sukuna who was in a far better condition then the one he used Gojo's body against.
There is literally no possible way you can slice this to make it sound as if Yuta entering Gojo's body was so deep of a nerf to where it's on the level of Sukuna running the JJK gauntlet and eating every hit possible. The only possible explanation was that reincarnated Sukuna was vastly stronger then Gojo physically because it's the only one that makes sense.
On one hand you're trying to convince people that Yuta nerfed Gojo so hard that he ended up weaker then his own body, which is quite literally impossible. While on the other you have a far more sensable explanation of Reincarnated Sukuna just being strong af which again, makes leauges more sense.
The thing is, Gojo is wayy more experienced using blue effectively than Yuta, even Yuta commented that Gojo's limbs are unusually long so even using blue would make aiming harder. Gojo is also using his preferred martial arts, which of course Yuta would completely differ from due to him being a swordsman (Yuta is still decent at h2h, im not telling that hes shit).
TLDR, Yuta is not as experienced as Gojo in using six eyes and his technique effectively along with the best h2h arts
@@-ZM_Gaming- you didn't read the full comment. I literally said that Yuta wasn't experienced as Gojo 💀
Please refer to my reply to the last person who didn't read.
It seems that you are confusing durability and stamina with physical combat prowess. These are not the same things... While Sukuna in the Heian era form may be more durable than Gojo, it doesn't mean he has better hand-to-hand combat skills. Additionally, we can't accurately determine the extent of Yuta's nerfs in Gojo's body. We know that limitless is the most difficult ability to master, as even Yuta struggled to fully understand it. As sorcerers gain a deeper understanding of cursed energy, their strength also increases, as seen with black flashes. Yuta only used Gojo's body as a last resort, and it's impossible to gauge how much his inability to fully utilize limitless affected his abilities. Gojo's skill in hand-to-hand combat is largely tied to his use of limitless and blue, which Yuta admits he can not fully utilize. Therefore, it's impossible to accurately measure the extent of his nerf in Gojo's body. The main reason for Yuta switching into Gojo's body was most likely due to Unlimited Void rather than Hollow Purple or Blue abilities. You can pretty much assume how bad the nerfs on based on who's dick you want to suck harder. In this case, I'm meat riding gojo, and you are guzzling down sukuna. It isn't impossible that Yuta's lack of knowledge on blue fucked him over, and you have no proof to dictate otherwise besides the fact it's an assumption that's easy to make if you want sukuna to actually beat Gojo. Which is fine, the ultimate point of the video is to express how open-ended the debate is in the first place. Which I agree with, you can make any number of arguments for either side winning but I feel like saying gojo is better than Heian era sukuna in hand to hand isn't that big of a stretch considering the fact it's literally stated by the author himself and nothing in the manga sufficiently contradicts the statement that Gojo is the best at hand to hand combat. That's all I'm saying.
Welp, didn't think about the fact that gojo seeing the small ball strategy not working would cause him to go for another improvisation, thx for that.
Saying gojo is superior to hand in hand is so disingenuous it's absurd. Gojo never got the better of sukuna without using blue to knock him off balance or use it to send him flying sukuna was still casually keeping up with a gojo enhancing himself with blue until gojo decided to get cheeky with it and knock him off balance. But no gojo glazers just ignore that for their own agenda.
I don't know that black flash panel did look pretty bad... not to mention once adaptation was complete I don't see why Sukuna wouldn't be using DA, and Gojo fucking dog walked him Mahoraga and Agito at the same time..
Dude, sorry but there's so much suggesting Gojo is literally the peak in jjk in terms of hand to hand combat. I'm not gonna start listing examples. You may need to rewatch the show and read the manga. No one comes close. And it does not take away from it just because gojo is using blue to reinforce his punches. To fight at their level, you have to fight by enhancing your durability, attack power and speed with cursed energy in the first place. Gojo can just do a higher version of that with his technique. If Sukuna could, he would as well. Its like saying Maki's physical superiority to other characters is invalid because of the heavenly restriction. Thats her ability. It doesn't take away from her.
@@Shinobu968 in that black flash chapter he was literally playing defensive
i dont even remember sukuna attacking gojo at all in that chapter
he was just farming exp for mahoraga instead of properly engaging in hand to hand
its really not that "bad" if you try reading it again
Fr, they're looking at the panels but not reading
@Re-Bourne no?Gojo with no blue still won a hand to hand interaction in sukuna's own domain.
Even with ct burnout he's consistently relative to sukuna.Sukuna never kept up with enchanced blue without DA,even when being evasive he always took damage from it and simply can't keep up with it.
Sukuna himself has a nervous face everytime gojo closed the gap to hand to hand.
This is indeed correct. Gojo would've won, but because he just wanted a fight with someone who could genuinely take his full power, he didn't. There were so many indicators where Gojo could've easily won, For example, Gojo could've teleported out of malevolent shrine and used his domain and extended the barrier, immediately killing Sukuna due to the fact his domain would likely break.
There was so many different possibilities where Gojo could've won, but he chose not to. Gojo's insanely smart, yes, he knew he could. He didn't solely because he wanted to have a fight where someone could take him going all out.
Couldn’t have put it better myself
@@Allons-Y-04yeah just like how ui ui can kill sukuna by teleporting him to space😅
Gojo could’ve cheesed the fight in so many ways, but he decided to fight fairly😭
@@mumenrider1908 ikr??? 😭
gojo would lose no matter what there's no argument just accept the truth🗿
In your opinion
@@Allons-Y-04 It's literal, objective facts. Gojo never wins against any form of Sukuna, the story itself made it pretty clear, though I respect the cope and delusion up to this point.
@@filo-ii2hn In your opinion
@@filo-ii2hn Fraudkuna with daddy mahoraga and mommy agito just barely winning by landing a cheap off screen bs attack 😭
@@devilslayer8675 not worth my time, keep yourself safe (kys) out there.
10:50 you say that gojo could use blue to get out of the domain and make it a stalemate and that’s why he’d be able to win but the personality of the combatant is just as important as what they can do. I think even if Gojo didn’t go in with the intention of killing Sukuna, the raw strength on display would make Gojo want to go all out anyway, simply because he could. So he wouldn’t implement this plan.
“Perhaps you haven't realized yet: The only reason you were The Strongest Sorcerer in History was simply because I wasn't born yet!” - Satoru Gojo from Jujutsu Kaisen (real not fake)
its funny people think that gojo really said that when it was actually sukuna who said it. would've been cold af regardless
"You were hailed as the strongest in an era without me yet you've turned out to be.... painfully ordinary" - Ryōmen Sukuna, the strongest
gojo fans really turned the whole thing , it was actually sukuna who made a statement like that ( creative thoo )
reading comprehension of a toddler
@@Donovan_Berserk ironic 🤣
I personally lean more towards Gojo. And this comes down entirely to Sukuna's knowlegde about UV and infinity.
I don't think we shoul underestimate how much extra time will be alotted to Gojo in the 3rd an 4th clashes knowing that Sukuna doesn't have the surehit turned off in the domain. I feel like we can expect at least 1.5x to 2-3x in power/output from Sukuna's domain after adjusting it. That extra time(min. 4.5minutes to 9 minutes max) should be enough for Gojo to destroy Sukuna's domain first.
I think its fair to assume that sukuna would realise after the 3rd domain that by touching gojo, the surehit is turned off, and so he adapts and reacts the way he did orginally, using hollow wicker basket. Basically means the 2/4 arms are occupied, and he's still getting molly whopped.
I also don't really believe in the argument that Sukuna's body is wayyy better than megunas. Its been made clear throughout the story that reinforcement is what determines how tuff someone is. Ryu was a unique case, and there's no sign that Yuji is as tough as him(in fact, Sukuna states the opposite). That's if we wanna go with saying "Yuji is made from sukuna fingers so sukuna is as tough as yuji".
Conclusion: Meguna has relative stats to Yuji(maybe less durability, but not significant) because the output of the reinforcement is the same----->Sukuna stats are somewhat superior to Meguna, but not WAY better.
I also don't think that Sukuna having an extra mouth(the two arms are using Hollow Wicker Basket) would help a lot. during the period where Sukuna isn't using HWB, he'd still be losing to Gojo, who has significantly better speed and AP(thanks to blue). So sukuna would lose in both scenarios, but they'd take different amounts of time(but remember that gojo is given more time in the scenario where sukuna uses 4 arms).
If we go the route where they stalemate all the way through the end of domains, which I think gojo wins anyways, cuz sukuna doesn't have a way to win, although admittedly for them to stalemate the domains, it'd mean that gojo's alr landed UV, so he'd alr won)
Sukuna fans when Gojo straight up opens a barrierless domain after losing clash 3 (Improvisation guys Improvisation)
Might be possible ngl
Given like four more years for his students to mature and he very well could achieve it
How would that work? Would it just look like the inside infinite void for 200 meters?
@@Flex_seal Answear it yourself
@@KiraiKatsujiYeah probably not.
what gojo could be able to do in a hypothetical fight between sukuna in his original body and not in megumis is if he does not tie with the tiny barrier domain in the third domain clash he does it again for the fourth time and keeps shifting the tiny barrier domain coordinates moving it away out of malevolent shrine 200 meter guaranteed hit effective range not allowing sukuna domain to attack the tiny barrier from the outside anymore since it would be out of its guaranteed hit effective range
12:33
i think it because it a lot easier to lend a punch on someone chest rather then face.
also sukuna at that moment wasn't stunned by uv. since narrator stated that MS collapsed only after 2 minutes in UV so that punch was the thing that shattered MS.
and the part where gojo says about crushing his heart instead of brain is said after he thinks sukuna lost since that when UV actually won the clash
I know he wasn't stunned then dw
@@Allons-Y-04 oh
well then my point is just that it a lot easier to hit someone in the chest then head and that gojo started targeting heart only after he thought he won. since before that we clearly see gojo target sukuna's head twice first time with red in MS and second time after i think third domain clash.
Sukuna didn’t even have domain amplification on for most of the fight and was tanking all of his abilities without it. Heian Era Sukuna would still beat gojo, even without knowledge on his technique.
Gojo wasn’t above sukuna in h2h when amplification was on. His true form does give him higher stats. It’s been stated multiple times throughout the series that physique is a key part of sorcery.
Don’t forget that Gojo conveniently learned how to shrink his domain from the prison realm. Take that away from him and he doesn’t even have a way to counter MS. If you’re gonna match Heian Sukuna against Gojo then you need to remove Gojo’s prison realm experience.
Sukuna wouldn’t tire out before gojo either. His cursed energy is at minimum twice the amount of Yuta’s and it’s been stated before that sukuna can expand his domain as many times as needed due to his efficiency.
Gege also never said Gojo and Kenjaku are the best h2h fighters in the verse. That question was ranking them on h2h without cursed energy or weapons and Sukuna wasn’t even mentioned in that list of characters Gege was asked about. Gojo doesn’t have better hands than Heian Sukuna. Meguna was pretty much on par with Gojo in h2h when domain amplification was on. Add in 2 extra arms and Gojo is getting overpowered.
Saying Gojo wouldn’t “fight the same” can also be applied to sukuna. Gojo loses against version of 20 finger sukuna.
Unless sukuna beats him in domain (he won't). Gojo wins, like he did in 236
That us entirely baseless
Bro said he won’t 😂😂 we literally see gojo losing all th me domain battle
well sukuna beats gojo is literally every clash. Gojo barely tied it against meguna, logically againsts a stronger sukuna with 4 arms he loses that clash as well.
@@salmanshah2617Not to mention Sukuna tanked a point blank 200% hollow purple in his heian era form so there is no real way Gojo can even deal a significant amount of damage to Sukuna with his strongest attack.
Did you forget Sukuna literally outclassed Gojo in the domain battles?
I think Satoru would shift his domain's coordinates out of MS, maybe with the help of a binding vow?
To sum this all up for yall poeple, gege akutami said that sukuna without mahoraga will never beat gojo, even the biggest sukuna glazer said sukuna would lose without daddy raga 🤦♂️
Before you comment BS, the creator I got this from is named doronsworld
@@AshFur_Alt cap
Where is your proof?gege never said shit about it
And which sukuna glazer said anything about sukuna losing without mahoraga?
Gojo fans, the ultimate headcanon merchants
He never said that 😭
My dude, stop getting your anime news from Facebook. Gege never said anything of the sort. He said that Gojo was the real cheater in the fight and that he had to change the rules of the power system to even make it possible for Gojo to stand a chance against Sukuna..
Gojo vs. Sukuna will always be a toss up anyone who thinks it’s a stomp in either direction is wrong
Exactlyyyyyy
1:34 I recommend u use the tcb scans my guy
GoJo said he wasn’t sure he could win against Sakuna
And people run with that’s GoJo saying he would loose which actually isn’t the case he’s just not 100% sure he could win , doesn’t mean he will loose .
Talking about scans while misspelling Sukuna's name is wild work
He lost to meguna and is still not sure if he could still win without mahoraga. Do the math, it means he is leaning towards losing than winning
@@NonAryanDuck use the official translation buddy from the volume it still said “I’m not sure I would have won”
@@Owen-sx4jj Bro said UV WOULD LAND ON HEIAN SUKUNA, when Sukuna literally got 4 arms he would use HALLOW WICKER BASKET, and simultaneously open his domain, goio gets cooked either way.(sukuna doesn’t even need to domain clash)
when Gojo fans tranna tell u how gojo would win, they always forget what sukuna can do 😂😂.
Before Gojo even think, as he’s getting sliced up in sukuna’s domain, sukuna would use kamutoka to keep raining down lightning on him. Then fuga. But I guess bro wouldn’t think about that.
@@GEEKEDANIMENERD battle of the strongest: gojo gets folded and admits sukuna is stronger
Gojo glazers: but but but gojo stwonger 🤓☝️but but but but mahoragaaaa 🤡
I pretty sure most people debating didn't even watch the video.
Gojo fans are still coping? Smfh🤦🏻♂️
You'll be alright 👍
"Sukuna Heian" and "Heian Form Sukuna" but when "Gojo Heian Form vs Sukuna Heian Form"? I think it would be interesting thinking how Gojo would perform with the same body as Heian Sukuna.
And what if Gojo also started using binding vows like Sukuna started after his fight? I think it would be a lot different than it was.
Knowing how techniques have different interpretations depending on time period would the limitless even exist in an era where mathematics wasn't as expanded upon as it is today?
Sukuna really was just the strongest because Gojo wasn’t born yet
Dud the guy is the strongest in a world full of weak and Sukuna is the strongest in a era full of badass sorceres. They are not the same 🤫
@@sukunalord7513 Now imagine Gojo who actually was driven by having actual competition.
Gojo is a Massive Fish in a Small pool While Sukuna is a Massive Fish in a Massive Pool that had opponents to drive his growth unlike Gojo.
@@KiraiKatsuji sukuna comes out on top everytime. Gojo has most of the verses attacks blocked off the bat. His battle sense will never be as heightened as sukunas.
@@Owen-sx4jj And yet he nearly killed the man so much older with help of the most powerful shikigami that granted him the template to win and every advantage of intel. Like seriously if both went into it blind like Gojo went then it would turn into a complete coin toss with Gojo having the Hakari probability.
@@KiraiKatsuji gojo lost way before this point in the domains without mahoraga or any 10 shadows ever showing his face. Using mahoraga is what caused him to get hit by 0.1 secs because he was doing unecessary stuff, turning off da and also touching gojo just so he could have more time in UV to adapt. A sukuna without mahoraga would not be doing this,. throwing the domain fight like this. He'd have da on at all times and wouldn't stall. Gojo loses. Dude also had gege give him domain shrink tech and " I can heal technique" just so he could last a bit longer in shrine. Shrine is too much for gojo bro.
I do agree that without knowledge sukuna would lose, but in a realistic jjk scenario, sukuna isn't fighting someone without at least some level of knowledge about there arsenal, especially if there considered the strongest. I say this to clarify that without maho and instead using true form, sukuna would certainly play much differently then what we saw since he knows not to try an stall for mahoraga but instead to spread his deck to overcome gojo. If we are also adding the extra finger sukuna never got (which was a nerf but not massive enough for most people to realize) then we could also see sukuna fighting just slightly better with that aswell, since we would see him in his true from which is likely much faster and stronger then megumis body, and an extra finger which would boost him further, Im sure sukuna has the potential to win. Even without the extra finger, at the end of the day we have to remember that sukuna himself has other tricks he could've pulled that could help out in a different situation then the regular "stall for big daddy raga", and in the end miwa solos. (I honestly see both sides having valid points but in reality I just hate gojo fangirls with a passion and wanna see there king burn because of it. #GegeEnergy)
Infinity is easy to figure out, some people think sukuna will just take UV since he doesn't know about it,
UV ain't that unique, there are other domains like mahiti's which one shot once you enter
Heian era is the golden age of jujutsu, there is no way that sukuna is risking being under a sure hit effect of someone universe looking thing which belongs to such a strong sorcerer like gojo
Gojo admitted he'd lose I'm surprised this arguement still exists
Edit: I love rage bait
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This fight is extremely even tbh. While gojo is glazed insanely there is a reason why sukuna respected him. People also seem to forget that sukuna needed to plot around gojo. He needed to set up a plan to actually get pass infinity as even if sukuna could use DA to attempt to bypass infinity with his punches its def possible they would still get slowed before breaking through giving gojo time to dodge and counter attack. Gojo also nearly spent every card sukuna had that was actually relevant with him using his last big trump card being his true form after gojo nearly killed him. Also you could def argue gojo not going for sukunas head put him at a big disadvantage as its shown gojo usually just likes to go for a headshot to beat his foes. And against someone like sukuna its nearly impossible to beat him just by going for his body as he's only possessing the body and thus only really needs the brain to remain intact to survive. Now him getting hit in other vitals does matter but honestly had gojo been just going for straight one shot kill shots early on he could of murdered sukuna plenty of times during their fight.
Sukuna folds
sukuna fans when they realize the entire story was prep time against gojo instead of sitting on a chair and doing nothing:
Do you want the chapter number where Gojo kneels to Sukuna during the injury?
4:48 (Ignoring Toji and Maki who Sukuna contended with the latter 🫢)
And Yuta fought Geto and then jumped Sukuna with Yuji.
What's up with the Thumbnail man! ... Sukuna on the Very Left Looks _...soo much like Almighty of Yhawach._
10:13 sukuna only did that in the second clash though? In the third and fourth and fifth sukuna doesn’t turn off his internal sure hit. This is practically confirmed as in 229 sukuna isn’t always touching gojo
And if gojo could’ve made an even better counter to MS, why didn’t he?
Also, that cannibal at the start managed to make a veil that couldn’t let gojo in but everyone else could. Surely binding vow king, could make a binding vow to make everyone else immune to malevolent shrine but not let gojo leave
in character, it goes either way. theres a ton of scenarios where sukuna would come out on top, but also a ton where gojo comes out on top. even the way it turned out in the manga was really close, had gojo kept applying pressure after that last hollow purple he could have put sukuna down before the world cutting slash or his incarnation. these two are in a league of jujutsu that everyone else has yet to reach, honestly id just rank them as equals
Chill bro.🤣 Gojo death was 0.01 close.. with a sukuna who was throwing the clashes for mahoraga. That's 0.01 secs can easily be covered up has sukuna not used mahoraga from the jump and just went for the kill. Heian form is even worse. Let's Also not forget gojo got given 2 things: domain shrink tech and "I can now heal my technique" two b's things. Gojo loses so hard it not even funny. The fight does not go past the Domains and Gojo will run out of rct and Domains first before sukuna ever will
I don’t even care about the outcome too much cause they are both goated characters but that debunk section was very satisfying
You have no idea how many times I’ve tried to debunk the Heian stat buff with 4 arms and Fuga arguments
Honestly... I wouldn't be able to decide a headcanon winner; I think both characters are really skilled but in their own ways.
Fuck powerscaling is wild ngl
allons_y could we get a what_if gojo could hit the soul in shinjuku or the whole series would anything change? for the better or for the worst?
A reason Sukuna didn’t target the inside of Gojos basketball sized domain may be because it replicates the prison realm and the prison realm can’t be escaped from the inside in other words gojo small barrier isn’t vulnerable to attacks from the inside
In my opinion Megukuna is the weakest form of sukuna and sukuna could've handled gojo much better and easier in his own body.
For the Hand to Hand Combat I personally believe that Heian era sukuna will still be weaker than gojo's blue infused attacks but it wouldnt be as one side-ded as meguna vs gojo as sukuna was using megumis body and wasnt fully transforming, and as we know megumi is significantly weaker (physically) to even shibuya yuji much less gojo
MY GLORIOUS KING IS RETURNING IN GEGES NEW MANGA TRUST
I bet 😅
The vid is just trying to appease everyone. Nah gojo gets washed. This is a sukuna that isn't wasting time and throwing domain clashes for mahoraga. Hed never get hit by uv at all and gojo dies. This is a low to mid diff fight for sukuna. Scrap that you are just a gojo glazer. A dude that barely managed to drip sukunas domain whilst his dropped and caught sukuna only by a fraction of a sec, with a sukuna thats was throwing the domians for mahoraga and juggling 3 things at once comes close to beating any version of sukuna that is actually going for the kill from the jump?!. You arent thinking.
@@Owen-sx4jj let them glaze gojo lol. Real ones know sukuna is HIM and gege know too
Interesting how he never responds to comments with common sense, only closing himself in a creepy echo chamber gojo glaze 🤣 This community is fkcn cooked
Sukuna came into that fight fully prepped out of nothing but respect.
Gojo was fully confident in himself but knew he was fighting the strongest in history.
I’d argue they were more even than people want to admit but I do agree that Gojo has the better arsenal. Having Raga helped more than anyone wants to admit and Gojo not being able to end the fight when he landed UV because he wanted Sukuna close to death but not death.
At the end of the day the pinnacle of strength is Gojo and Sukuna. Gege got rid of both of them while making both of the completely fine with losing.
I believe heian sukuna still takes it, I mean gojo can win yes however heian sukuna just has the better IQ when it comes to jujutsu and not to mention when it comes to physicals I.E strenght and agility with no ce reinforcment involved sukuna would be equal to gojo since in H2H fights size, speed and strength matters alot, and no in terms of speed and combat speed sukuna is equal to gojo as sukuna was able to somewhat keep up with gojo, its just that gojo is better in H2H but the 4 arms would overwhelm gojo since their speed is equal gojo wont be able to keep up with 4 arms but I do believe gojo would still somehwat rock sukuna but he would have a bit of a ahrder time due to sukunas increased strength
the reason people think gojo said he wouldnt be able to beat sukuna is a translation issue with viz cause they say and i quote "im not sure if i could've beaten him even if he didnt have megumi's ten shadows"
It's not even a translation issue... people just straight up can't read XD
@@Allons-Y-04 did you read what I said 💀
A more realistic fight would be heian era sukuna vs gojo ut gege isnt giving sukuna the plot
I think Gojo would beat Heian Sukuna because Sukuna quite literally sought after the Ten Shadows and used it just to counter and beat Gojo. If he was already able to beat Gojo, then he wouldn't have bothered with acquiring the Ten Shadows.
People keep forgetting he has hollow wicker basket and if he was in the same situation with 4 arms before the 5th clash hed be able to temporarily halt infinity void sure hit and could summon mahoraga to still break the domain and open another if he doesnt get hit
Uh oh,Did you forget he literally said "No Mahoraga"?Hollow Wicker Basket could be breaken easly by Gojo.
@@ÇınarSefer-b8o are you sure? When theres no actual proof cause gojo only landed 1 domain for 0.01 secs, also as long as he keeps his hand together he can keep it active weve seen in both yuta 's and yuji's domain
@@Sirdagger-v First of all,He wouldn't activate Hollow Wicker Basket at all.Even a 0.01 Second of exposure to Infinite Void at all would make you recieve the information instantly.So he wouldn't use Hollow Wicker Basket at all.
@@ÇınarSefer-b8o he still was able to react with HWB in both the DE he got caught in after they opened their domain. Mind you yuji caught him off guard and he still reacted
Bait used to be believable 😔