Final Fantasy XVI A controversial Final Fantasy | Review
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Final Fantasy XVI...is it good? Final Fantasy XVI is a fun game and an fine Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy XVI for the most part I found enjoyable. Here I cover the gameplay elements or lack there of in Final Fantasy XVI. Talk about Final Fantasy XVI's music and much more. :) Final Fantasy XVI as of now is only available for Playstation 5. Though the PC port is being worked on. Thanks for watching and enjoy my review of Final Fantasy XVI
" The sun is setting upon the land of Valisthea. For centuries, people have flocked to her Mothercrystals to partake of their blessing-the abundant aether that fuels the magicks they rely upon in their everyday lives. But as the aether begins to fade and the lifeless deadlands spread ever further, so too does the struggle over the final flickers of the Mothers' light grow ever more fierce. Bloody battle rages across the realm, rival nations sending their ultimate weapons against each other: the Dominants. Men and women within whom sleep the world-shattering power of an Eikon. There are few in Valisthea whose lives have not been touched by this war for the crystals' blessing, and Clive Rosfield, firstborn son of the Archduke of Rosaria, is no exception. Unlike most, however, the vicissitudes of fate are to reveal to him the dark truth that lies at the heart of his world, and lead him on a mission to destroy those selfsame Mothercrystals the rest of the realm hold sacred. The legacy of the crystals has shaped mankind's destiny for long enough."
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Incredible review! I enjoyed every bit of what was said.
There is only one thing that bothered me about FFXVI and that was the lack of a sprint button. I know we have an automatic sprint when traversing the open fields but a sprint button could have come in handy when coming back to the hideaway during a sidequest and you want to get it done as fast as possible in order to progress through the story.
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Great review, thanks. It will be some time before I get to play this, but what you said all made sense to me.
One question about the colour palette: it could be because I watched this on my laptop screen .. but a lot of scenes looked to me rather "brownish-greyish" (you mentioned the lack of colourful attributes) and I got this weird reminiscence of the old Wii RPG The Last Story.
Yes this game has a pretty "dark" atmosphere overall, so it's just a part of the art-direction/artstyle.
@@straydog4048 I see - thank you.
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@@MrOnepiecem7 I have been watching Lady Pelvic's videos over many years now!
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Overall, I enjoyed the game, with the Eikon battles being a fresh gaming experience for me. But, I got to a point where towards the latter part of the game, I just wanted it to end.
Also, I saw a shot of Aerith in this video, which I hope is an example of foreshadowing of an upcoming game you'll review!
It’s good. Gameplay is amazing. Characters are written well.
It just peaks at Bahamut and sadly never gets better. Pacing is really weird in places. Doesn’t feel like a a JRPG at times. During the final boss I wasn’t even really hyped because my expectations were higher.
Just beat this game 1 day ago. Didn’t like it very much, kinda wanted my money back. I’ve played every Final Fantasy game and most of the spinoffs but this one is on the bottom of the ranking for me personally.
I fell for the demo. Thought I was going to play a good game. But they knew what they were doing.
Unperfect game, which i loved. Really great stroy, narrative, lore, action. My only major downside was difficulty.
No game *is* perfect. Like what you like. Hell I enjoyed this game too!
For me FF16 is probably the highest MID tier FF game in the franchise to me. Sure it has spectacle and some good story beats but most of this game was developed SAFE MID in order to appeal to the broadest audience possible in the main stream which sort of brings it down for me.I think the combat is cool but My God the particle effects, it's way too much flash over substance, nothing I really haven't seen before in terms of Action RPGs or just action games. So while FF16 doesn't even crack my top 5 i would put it at highest Mid Tier for me personally. I just hope with FF17 Square takes more chances on settings, design, story, and more and not be so Western safe.
It just didn’t feel like i was playing a jrpg and thus i was majorly disappointed with this. I don’t think its a bad game but it was lacking so much i loved about previous ff titles. It doesn’t do anything to differentiate itself from other action games on the market. If anything playing this felt like a step or two backwards.
I can absolutely follow your reasoning with that.
qft
This.
I'd go a step further and say it lacks a lot of features of other action RPGs/jrpgs. It streamlined everything so much I was having FFXIII flashbacks. I have a laundry list of complaints, but ultimately I just felt the game was dreary and bland with a few big budget cinematic moments thrown in.
@@Highwind452 Yeah. Its one thing to put more action and stray away from turn based like what SE has done that past 15 years
... Its another thing to abandon RPG mechanics in entirety.
Nice to finally hear your take on XVI. Also, just curious are you good on going further with playing any of the other mainline FF games? You don't seem interested in 7, 13, and 15 at all.
And 8, 12, 14 didnt do it for you either, so just curious if you're done playing them.
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I missed on 14, 15 and 7 Remake, and also missed all Lightning sequels and I loved 16, it brought back the memories from old FF games I played as a kid on PS1. It was a magical journey and the ending with Clive on the beach and that song brought tears to my eyes.
I can appreciate the fact that FF16 returns to its more high-fantasy roots. I love that SE learned its lesson after FF15 and released a full game without the need to do any research outside of the game. The music is decent.
But thats where my praise ends. The game is MID af. The game is not an RPG, its a straight up action game. There is no playable party members other than Clive. Theres no party management. Elemental weaknesses or status effects dont exist so it removes any kind of strategy from combat outside of bosses mechanics. Upgrading armors and weapons aren't as satisfying as it should be. There waaaaaaay too much of the game taking control away from the player and the focus on the boring QTEs is annoying. Not to mention in a game that is around 30-40 hours long (if you didnt do the sidequests) there is 20+ HOURS of cutscenes. Theres no interesting sidequests that unlock secret ultimate weapons or poweful magic attacks.
Its an alright game. But its a terrible Final Fantasy game. And as a long time fan, I can see why it's so divisive honestly.
Yes I wish it was more of an RPG and I was gonna quit after 20 hours. However seeing as I dropped $70 at launch I stuck with it and holy cow I’m glad I did. This game is insane at times! Really haven’t been into a game since Witcher 3 way back in 2015
This game is overhated and was overhated before even released
I disagree, Yoshi P and the FFXIV player base boosted the games profile.
Welcome to modern Final Fantasy Fanbase. Because anything not turn-based nostalgia-driven experience is automatically trash.
@@Highwind452no, this game was hated when they announced it was rated M, got hate because too many cutscenes on the demo, because it was not tradicional, people hate this game before even released, I’m not saying is perfect, but this is nowhere near as bad as people say
@@Highwind452 and we better don’t touch the “not enough black people” in the game lol
@@andresashura5550 This was a stupid narrative most likely created by newcomers to the series who didn't realize that Barrett in FF7 was the first black main character in the series. 10+ years after the original was released. And even after that, the only other black characters were Sahz in FF13. You might be able to count Kiros in FF8 and your main character in FF11 and FF14 if you chose to create them that way. 😒
Where were these people complaining about that then? I'm a black male myself and a long time fan of the series...never cared either way.
But going back to the original comment of it being hated before it even came out. There's this stigma that FF fans hate anything that isn't like the original 10 games and that's just not true. A lot of us hate what the series has become and that's something that veers so far from what it originally started out as. The franchise has experimented so much that it lost itself after a while. It continues to chase popular gaming trends to the point that it's not even recognizable anymore.
6/10 imo. The pacing was really bad
Feels great to know we both have great taste in Final Fantasy. I remember ff9 and ff4 were the first ones I played and beat back in middle school. I fell in love with those two games. Wonderful video! I hope this game comes out for xbox some day.
Wooo! Great minds~! I love those games with all my heart!
I personally did not like this game. Running from point A to B to C then back to point A in a linear game with no sprint button was a chore. The boss fights are sick for the first 5 minutes. then once again a chore that last an extra 20 minutes with no fear of dying is just boring. Enemies are just reskinned and have the exact same attack patterns. For instance minor dragon attacks with right claw right after spits fire twice etc. I mean it's not bad but just not for me. I prefer Forspoken over this game.
I was waiting for this review, and it's by far the best one I've seen from you do so far. Keep up the amazing work.
You nailed this review. Still this most fun I’ve had with. 8/10 game.
As someone who was extremely impressed by this game, I think Lady Pelvic did a wonderful job on the review, avoiding pandering to the I hate it without giving it a chance crowd and also avoiding ignoring the game's issues. She is a truly serious game reviewer, which is hard to find on UA-cam. One thing I disagree with is the simplicity of the combat. Yes, it's simpler than the turn-based games but it's more complex than most action RPGs, which is what I think it should be compared to. It is surely more complex than a Ys or a Trials of Mana, etc. Not saying that automatically makes it better combat-wise but you definitely have more options.
I really just want square enix to find thier footing again in the Turn-Based RPG/ Action RPG sphere.
Going full Action (less RPG) was such a cop-out. Its odd, given how FF7R was successful in creating an action system that respected it ATB roots not to mention Kingdom Hearts as well.
Why can't they just perfect the RPG systems of FFXV, Type - 0 FF12, or even making a turn based system thats presented in a fashion that break the stigma.
FF16 isn't a bad game, but from Final Fantasy gameplay perspective, it just feels disrespectful. Games like Tales of the Arise & NEO: The World Ends With You are proof that you don't have to go full Dante...
Reaching the endgame of ff16 and REALLY agree with this + what was said in the 2023 roundup video. Thanks for a great review!
XVI is the definition of a mixed bag. Very high highs, but very low lows. Objectively I think it's a better game than 15, but I personally enjoyed my time with 15 more and I find it more memorable. I think XVI would have been better as a trimmed down action game rather than feeling the need to half ass the RPG / Exploration elements to buff it out to 40 hours.
It is a very mixed bag and I feel you on the high highs and the low lows. I haven't played 15 but I wouldn't say objectively. We all have different tastes.
One of the better, fairer reviews of FF16 that I've seen, especially the breaking down of combat beyond just "This isn't FF combat" or "This fun now".
But the breakdown of whether or not this is a "real FF" game dances around the real meat of the matter. FF is not about the broad story beats, and it's not about the combat (which is constantly changing). The fact of the matter is that all other FF games (even 13 and 15, which I dislike) are swashbucklers with a strong sense of fun. FF16 isn't just dull in color and character design, it removes mini-games, it has no sense of humor (which is where it really misses the point of the GOT thing), it has no dancing/singing/whatever set-piece, it has some of the worst pacing in the whole series ..... it's just an amazingly flat experience. And the only things in it that *resemble* "fun" (the eikon fights), are, gameplay-wise, even flatter.
I really enjoyed FF16 but for some reason the story and themes just haven’t stuck with me like some other Final Fantasies have.
I’m not sure if it was the focus on Clive that led to the other characters not being as fleshed out as I’d hoped, but something about it makes wish there was just a bit more to it.
Completely agree with this review. You nailed it. I wouldn’t score it so high, personally, but I agree with every point you made. I would also add that while I agree that the “westernization” of character designs was a negative…I felt the same way about towns and town music as well. I couldn’t tell you a single town theme in this game…they were all so bland. I can remember almost every town theme from FF 5,6,7,8,9,10…almost all of them. And many of them had unique and interesting designs too. FF16 felt like I was experiencing a game that really wanted to take inspiration from both eastern and western game design, but suffered an identity crisis instead.
9 is my favorite in the series, and I just don’t know if it will ever get dethroned
Ok first off, amazing review and love your stuff, literally perfect. BUT, they are allll good boys(gals).
If this game didn’t have the branding of Final Fantasy I think it would be better received. Even to me it doesn’t seem to be a Final Fantasy game and I’d be more receptive towards it. Honestly a better title to the game would be “Clive is Mad!”
I would love for an action rpg to try a battle system like Soul Calibur. Where you have a buttload of moves, complex combos, directional inputs, command grabs, etc.
Mashing square and lizard-brain impulse reactions for dodges and parries just doesn’t do it for me.
I wanna think! I want to take in consideration of spacing. My move vs their move. And so on.
Great review as always. =)
You can't be chasing off the casual normie gamers that Square wants to be able to sell tens of millions of copies. If they had an actual combat system that took into consideration elemental weaknesses, like their own Stranger of Paradise, they'd chase people off. If they thought about using positioning, like say Arkham City, they'd chase more people off.
They can't just make it a true action game. They have to make it an ACCESSIBLE action game for all. That means single button combos and basic dodges. At least timing is taken into consideration for the dodges. The parrying system is a joke, because a bad player will simply luck into them by mashing attack. And of course the need to do all of the flashy combos that the game has is pointless, because you don't ever need to put in that much effort to beat most mobs.
I personally feel as though if this is the direction that they're going to push mainline games from now on, then they could learn a thing or two from the Ys series.
@@Xoulrath_ For the record I am a casual and normie gamer. I’m a huge advocate for accessibility in games and the “one size fits all” approach is not working any more. Add options to adjust game speed, timing windows, enemy and player hp, etc.
Give people the tools to play the game how they want it. Let the most beginner players be able to learn at their own pace and the most hardcore have the challenge they require.
Dodge and parry systems are so over saturated I’m probably never going to buy another game built around such a system. The options to design and program are literally limitless, yet we all keep seeing the same thing time and time again.
@@DonkThikkness the problem is that what you're asking for is FAR HARDER and MORE COSTLY than you probably believe it to be. Most people severely underestimate programming/coding at a base level. That misunderstanding gets taken up a notch with regards to gaming.
Sure, a company COULD add all of the options that you propose, but it does take TIME, MONEY, and PEOPLE to do those things. It isn't as simple as thinking about it, and then it's just there.
Another thing to consider is whether or not the game will suffer when difficulty options are added. There is a lot to consider there as well. It isn't always about just speeding enemies up and giving them more hit points and higher damage to make a game harder, or doing the reverse to make a game easier. Especially not when you're the one who brought up tactical options.
With that said, of course it CAN be done. But to expect every company to simply do it is unrealistic. The reality is that not every game is for every person. As AI helps to do more and more basic stuff, the wishlist that you have should become less costly and therfore more viable. But it will take time. Until then, if you like adventure games, or as so many mislabel them these days, ARPGs, check out the Ys series. In particular, you'll want to check out the newer titles, VIII and IX. It has combat that requires a bit more thought than FFXVI, while also having multiple difficulty options.
@@Xoulrath_ You can come up with all the excuses you want to invalidate me, but ultimately these companies want to sell games. I am voicing what I want in this industry, and that is variety and new experiences. These companies have been doing nothing but cannibalizing gameplay from one another for decades. The only thing that evolves is graphics and presentation. So yes, I am demanding these companies come up with new gameplay. In retaliation I am not purchasing any more of their products until they do.
These AAA games are built on hundreds of millions of dollars these days. They can easily budget R&D for new gameplay design, and gameplay loops. Instead you’re watching a movie like 50% of the time. I don’t buy a game to watch a movie which is what most of these AAA games are getting away with. While expecting us to play the same tired, and crusty nonsense. You can polish a turd all you want and it’s still a turd. And that’s what this gameplay is, a turd. A big fat turd. I ain’t forking over cash for 💩.
EDIT: I know my words were harsh and I know many, many, many people…100s if not 1000+ people worked insanely hard on this game. I do not fault them in the slightest. I am finger pointing at the leaders of these projects who dictate and control all creativity. The people below them are the ones who actually do the work. They are just doing their jobs. Upper management, project leads, producers, CEOs and shareholders are the ones I’m calling out because it’s their fault for all this sameness. After all everything is based their decisions.
Totally agree. I've been saying that since FF11 and FF14 were released. Those games should have just been called FF Online. I think FF15 should have either been a seperate game or spin-off as well. But SE knows the FF names garners attention and that it will sell so they've been just slapping it on titles for years now.
I feel like this is why the fanbase is so divided nowadays because the fans that have stuck around and made the series so popular are being neglected and turned off by what it's become. While new fans or people who weren't really interested in it's turn-based games are being brought in and catered to with more action oriented games.
It's like if Call of Duty announced a new entry in the mainline franchise but it was a card game or Baldurs Gate 3 style, turn based RPG instead of a shooter and that's what the focus would be going forward.
Nice review. As someone who has yet to play it, it gives me a good idea of what to expect. Also, I didn't think you were an adult until I saw that photo of you holding the Kirby game, but that solidifies it for me. A true adult.
wow 9 and 4 are your favorites?! I love 9 it could be a top 1 or 2 for me but I never played 4 I keep pushing it back in my backlog. If it get's Pelvic's approval I must play it! I would say 9 and 6 are my favs from the ones I've played even though 7 is my most nostalgic
4 is the game that feels that has that stereotypical JRPG feel to it. All the carricatures of Fantasy JRPGs seem to be taken from it.
But it was ahead of it time in terms of combat. No grinding required, just pure tactical prowess thanks to its timeless assortment of abilities for each party member.
Sure it lacks the customization of 5-8 but given that you're a fan of FF9, you'll definitely appreciate how polished the team composition is.
The last new mainline final fantasy I played was X-2, which I didn't like. I don't think I'll be going back with this one. Might watch a playthrough of it though. Thanks for the review, LP.
"I just killed that dragon with my freakin' mind!" - Clive Redfield, Fast and Furious XVI
Great review as always, keep up the good work! 👍🏿
3 gripes i had with the game: lack of rpg elements, overabundance of fetchy sidequests towards the end, ambiguous ending
Still loved the game
Great review! I am ALMOST done with this game and to be honest, it's not my thing at all. I liked it more at the start and then it has become kinda boring for me. I'm hoping the end will make up for it!
It does slow down a lot but I honestly enjoyed the story, sadly though, the demo started off so strong so what happens in the middle feels reaaaaaaally bland in comparison.
Lady Pelvic mentioned how much she likes adult characters in her JRPGs, which only makes me think she could vibe with Yakuza: Like a Dragon so much more. At the very least, if it doesn't really do it for her, it'll be really interesting for her to at least talk about her feelings towards the game.
Too be honest. It looks good but everything else was just not mine cup tea. You take game of throne with legend of dragoon and a Dash of dmc. And you get this. But it's whatever 😒 I suppose it's a average on mine end 5/10
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Final Fantasy XVI did get me playing Final Fantasy again. It just got me playing older FF titles and spin-offs like Stranger of Paradise. I also jumped back into other game series like Ys. Thanks for the reminder that good adventure games and RPGs exist, Square! Much appreciated.
Edit: P.S., killing bombs with fire is totally viable. It makes them get bigger faster, which makes them more dangerous, but also pushes them closer to their explosion attack. I get that you think that it goes against elemental weaknesses, but that's how they work in other games as well.
You can't actually kill bombs with fire in other non-Yoshi P games, those bombs absorb fire spells and self-destruct which is not the same thing as actually lowering the enemies life using fire spells.
Speaking of Eikon battles, you're pretty Eikonic yourself!
Aww shucks~♡
Great review, I enjoyed your commentary about it. This was a game I really enjoyed the experience for.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching! I too enjoyed ff16!
My review is 6 out of 10 for this game. The only fun aspect of this game is its combat and even that lacks any depth. I became a huge fan Final Fantasy after playing FF7 Remake because it felt more complete as an RPG (despite just being part 1). While FF16's Crafting, side quests, exploration, hunts, town events, NPCs, upgrades, etc. all feel lazy and or downgraded for the endless cutscenes and flashy combat. Even the whole GOT theme kind of took me out of it. This is probably my least favorite FF so far.
I remember LITERALLY just completing those two side quests you talked about and getting triggered when you guys said all the quests were boring on the HPMP podcast 😂
I DIDN'T SAY ALL THE SIDE QUESTS WERE BORING. THOSE TWO IN PARTICULAR WERE MY FAVORITES!!
@@PelvicGaming yeah haha now I know after the fact! 😂 you can go back on the stream and see me leaving multiple comments about you guys ignoring the lore about slavery, I got so mad while playing those quests LOL
I've been eagerly waiting for the PC release and I'm surprisingly excited for it not because its a Final Fantasy game (Given Square Enix recent history, I mostly approach their products with a heavy dose of cynicism) but I appreciate what Yoshi P did with XIV after Tanaka's mishandling of XIV 1.0 and I love Soken's work immensely.
My favourite icon fight was with bahamut the music and everything about that was so lit so damn good.
@PelvicGaming you should do a review on Strangers of Paradise. Not sure how I feel about it thus far, similarly to how I felt about Final Fantasy Type-0
I have to disagree on the npcs being ugly compared to Skyrim. But I like your take otherwise
Ngl this is the first FF i actually liked since the GBA versions. The trailer is one of the best game trailers I've seen.
I really wanted to like this game a lot more than I did. On one hand, I really liked the world and the nations going against each other. Cid was hella cool and everything during his time in the game kept me invested. By the time he leaves and you continue into Clive's role in The Hideaway, I felt a bit less into it. I loved the goofy Eikon battles, Dion was fucking cool, but the Ultima plot fell a bit flat. It boiled down to Clive having to tell the bad guys why they're wrong and humans "deserve to be free and make our own choices" I feel like I heard that fucking speech numerous times. I was more into it wanting to know why his mom was such a terrible person. She was possibly more evil than Ultima. He's just bad for the sake of being an opposing ideology. She's genuinely terrible.
Oh yeah and the side quests made me wanna throw myself from an overpass. I still did every single one I got but good gawd. Those automated cutscenes where the NPC's explain the side quests in shot/reverse-shot framing, I got FF14 vibes. Makes sense considering it's the same team but man, compared to the story scenes, it's noticeable. Anyway enough of me. Great review.
I've destroyed 4 crystals and done all side quests. Overall, I have to say that I'm disappointed in the game. Here's why:
1: Enemies are not that interesting. They are just sponges.
2: There's nothing to explore. You find nothing of interest.
3: Money and item drops are useless throughout the entire game.
4: Way too many boring quests taking you back to the same areas again and again.
5: Fighting hordes upon hordes of enemies back to back gets seriously tedious.
i played the game before it was called Tales of Arise
Does Pelvic edit her videos, herself? Excellent work
I remember bombs absorbing fire back in the 90’s. It seems rather lazy that they left off elemental affinities.
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You're great but there is actually clear but subtle elemental weakness and it does effects the stagger. Each elemental power has other subtle effects too like stun and shock too! 2000 points for the FF6 Inceptor reference btw!!! 👏🏿👏🏿
To me this was top FF total great cinematic gaming experience 👍🏿 😊
I haven't played a mainline Final Fantasy since 9, and this one isn't going to change my mind, but I'm glad you went into more of the nuance of the skill systems; this is the first I'm seeing any of that. Kind of baffling that they wouldn't have elemental weaknesses, too; even Devil May Cry had that, and that's not an RPG by any stretch of the imagination. That and if they're going to bring back quick-time events, why do them this way? There are games out there, like Metroid Other M (yes, I'm going to say something good about it) that always use the button that correlates to the action, so if your character is going to jump, the prompt is going to be the jump button, AND you can anticipate it; that lets you do some crazy, over-the-top stunts while still being able to watch what's happening, which is the entire point of having them in the first place. Great review, as always, and thanks for such a lovely travel brochure for a world I don't ever plan to visit; it expands my horizons, and I appreciate that.
Also, I don't like dogs, either, but wolves are kinda cool; IT'S DIFFERENT.
It’s amazing I just took down the kings highest rank he slice me down I need more
I did enjoy my fair share of hunts. B)
Super excited to hear your thoughts on smt5!
I WANT TO PLAY THIS!!!! But I don’t have a PS5… It looks soooooo much better than 15 (sorry not sorry, that game was a train wreck imo). I don’t think I’d mind the MMO stuff since I’ve sat through many of those scenarios watching my brothers play 14 (Heavensward and Shadowbringer were awesome expansions with Endwalker being pretty good itself). Once again, your review was great and has amped me up to want to try this. And hell yes, any game where your party member has a dog/wolf as a comrade is a plus (flashback to Dragon Age Origins).
I just wanted a quick jump option for the hideout haha. I had fun though it was alright.
Agreed with the music added some to my work playlist.
could we at least don't call this game RPG since the progression seems to be faux?
Can’t wait for ya SMT V review
Awesome review!
Thank you for watching!!
I don't mind the action combat and leaving turn-based. I don't mind the look and feel. What I hate is that Final Fantasy is trying to become Game of Thrones. FF 12 tried, really hard, to do this too. It doesn't work.
This game is far from games of thrones my dude lol
@@andresashura5550exactly why that comparison keeps getting thrown around is beyond me if you know anything about the games writer he worked on games like FF tactics and Vagrant Story and pretty much most of the I slice alliance games that were known to have grittier story telling. Also GoT wasn't even all that popular when FF12 dropped on PS2 This dude clearly showing his age😂. They act like Japan hasn't produced dark gritty Fantasy way before game of thrones, look as Bastard and Berserk (both started in the 80s) even Record of Lodoss War had it's gritty moments.
You forgot lifeless world, boring side quests, no depth combat, endless cutscenes, uneventful town, and downgraded RPG mechanics. GOT is the last of its problems.
@@fernicusmaximus9282 sounds like your talking more about KH3 than FF16. Tell me you haven't played the game without telling me you haven't played the game. The combat has a ton of depth that argument of no depth has already been disproven by Tom's of people on UA-cam. There is plenty of life in the world there, the areas that aren't teaming with life are taken by the blight their world is literally dying. Pointless boring Side quest!? Tell me me a game that has "fun side quest" at least these have boons you get weapons, your Chocobo mount. They add to the overall narrative of said story and lore you understand the world more and it's characters.
@@renereyes2648 First of all I am huge FF fan. I played every single game except the MMO ones. I bought this game day one thinking it was amazing because of the demo. The combat can easily be won with the same Eikon abilities, it's just spamming attacks, wait for cooldowns, and spam again. Jill was in a good portion of the game, at least let me customize her play style instead of me just watching her cast random attacks. The towns are uneventful just a pointless shop and a few side quests. The NPCS barely move or say anything interesting. I can explore this world and expect nothing, just go from point A to B. That's what I mean about lifeless world, wasn't talking about the endless Cutscenes. The side quests are mostly boring, and they always end the same way with Clive telling us the lesson we learned from the quest before receiving useless crafting materials that we won't use. The boon system was okay just a way to get more loot from that shop, it wasn't enough to make up for the rest and you had to endure the side quests. The hunts were basically regular enemies enhanced, very disappointing. FF7 Remake side quests were much better. The world also felt more alive and interesting. And it came out 3 years prior. Even the gameplay/RPG mechanics felt strategic and satisfying while keeping that FF charm.
It’s a good game just not the best Final Fantasy. It was a breath of fresh air.
Well made review! Entertaining to watch 👍👍
Are you ever reviewing FF7 Remake? 😮
The only thing I like of FF16 is that it is not FF15.
Part of me wants to play ff15 to see how 'bad' it really was? I imagine I'd have a better experience with it since ya know...it's finally COMPLETED.
@PelvicGaming I understand how you feel. The problem is for me is... it never was completed. There are still some skipped episodes that never made over. That's big red flag no matter what other people say.
It’s a pretty good modern action game but it’s a weak Final Fantasy game
No lies detected.
“Rpg” is right
For me, the game was a 9.5/10 game brought down to an 8.5/10 game purely by design choices. The lack of party members or actual stats (you have 4 stats, but stagger and attack can't really be changed individually, same with health and defense outside one accessory, so 2 stats really) meant there was no variety in equipment, which meant money/crafting materials was pointless, which meant for the most part exploration was pointless, dungeons or overworld, and by the end of the game it was just a checklist of stuff. I never did NG+ because you would need to do every single quest, again, in NG+ to upgrade your weapons, and for me I was just tired of the game by the end, no matter how much I liked the story and characters.
I'm replaying FF12 (which I know Lady Pelvic wasn't a fan of), and the constant need to buy and update equipment and accessories and skills, and the constant tug of having gold and spending gold meaning that I constantly need to get gold, meant the game just feels so much rewarding to explore, plus the mini-achievements of having to kill X of each mob to get lore drops. I might have to spend 30 minutes to an hour farming out specific items for Bazaar equipment, but getting that piece of equipment feels so rewarding, especially if it's something that changes how the game's played (the Accessory that reverses item effects, allowing you to inflict every status ever on an enemy 100% with a remedy), which 16 really doesn't have. 12 has its flaws too, but its flaws don't bring the game down for me.
Plus, minor nitpick, I hated how healing was in the game, that you could not replenish potions unless you bought them. By the mid point in the game that's fine, but when I was first bright eyed and exploring before I learned to hate it, I was not making enough money back to replenish my potions, or just barely breaking even, and multiple times chose to die just because it'd reset my potions to full. Plus, because of how limited money was at the start due to this, I never bothered to train to use the Attack/Defense potions, because 800 gold for one of those wasn't something I could afford to do. By the time I had the money to blow on those, I never felt the need for it.
I just want turn based combat :(
Should've been called Devil May Clive
You really nailed this review!
Thank you so much, I'm quite proud of it!
Where did you get your info about them having to watch game of thrones, I temper at the showcase when Halana Pierce tried to get a gotcha moment with Yoshi-P and he clearly stated that while he was a fan that GoT was not the inspiration. Yoshi-P chose Kazutoyo Maehiro because of his work on Games like Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy Tactics clearly that is the type of story telling and writing seen here in FF16 not GoT.
Ff16 does tons new and it is a brilliant story
When SquareEnix eventually got around to releasing a new mainline Final Fantasy title, they released a hack and slash action game instead of a true RPG. Looking directly at Final Fantasy 16, sure it has a story (if you like game of thrones), great graphics and some memorable music but in my opinion, it is not a true Final Fantasy game. It has no real party system, there is no point in exploring towns, they are mostly just empty and dead, side quests are so shallow and boring, offering no real reward. The game is very linear, feeling like it is on rails and doesn't open up until much later in the game. Crafting in the game is pretty much pointless, as is much of the equipment in the game. Combat is unique and engaging but quickly becomes boring, as most battles can be won by just mashing the same attack buttons over and over. Speaking of mashing buttons, quicktime events are so prevalent that they become frustrating and annoying, ruining the flow during battle. This is especially true in the icon events.
Sadly, I feel SquareEnix has forgotten much of their history and heritage and in doing so they have lost sight of their fans, especially those of us who have been playing their games since the beginning.
As far as I am concerned, mainline Final Fantasy as I know it, is pretty much dead. I would much rather see SquareEnix remaster their entire back catalogue in HD 2D. I would pay mega bucks for games such as Chrono Trigger, Secret of Evermore and Xenogears to be remade in HD 2D for current gen consoles. Personally, I would much rather play those games than titles like Final Fantasy XVI.
That said I respect your opinion and enjoyed your review.
I call it Fantasy May Cry.. I’m getting quite addicted to it tbh So much so Trails from Reverie has some major comp.. I’m going back & forth between the two.. It’s actually the reason why I got ps5 in June.. And just the other day I sprung for an 8 tb hard drive just so I have a little room for the future haha
I'm honestly shocked you put this in your top 5 and called this a good game after your whole review was pointing out how "mid" it was. Which I totally was realizing and agreeing with you on throughout. I expected you to say like 5/10 at the end; did you just say that so people wouldn't flame you in the comments?
Well, considering I've played *seven* Final Fantasies, and 2/7 I actively dislike, where FF16 I enjoyed despite it being a "mid" game, yes that would mean it would be in my top 5.
Edit: So to answer your question, no I did not say that so people wouldn't flame me. I said it cause it's true.
I can’t wait to hear her thoughts on FF7R
I miss the days where you were prominently featured in these videos!
Huh?
@@PelvicGaming: sorry, I meant "more prominently." I really like your work! Would just really like to see you more in the videos and not just voice over. But yeah, keep up the good work!
I didn't enjoy the game at all. I didn't care for any of the characters. I thought Clive was super boring and one-note. The character I did like was a side character with little focus. And the ones who did get screentime and focus were boring or did nothing like Jill, Benedikta, Joshua, Cid, Hugo and so on. Didin't care and they usually died or were swept off before they could do anything cool or interesting for me to care for them. The world was boring.
Too many particle effects on screen that I literally couldn't tell what was going on. The music all just faded into the background and was mainly generic medieval bombast that I found forgettable. Only remembered two songs, Away and the battle theme, due to repetitions. I don't remember and memorable leitmotifs. Character designs were pretty generic and boring, and too realistic to be memorable.
But I liked the combat. But I REALLY stuggled to get through the game. I was about 30 hours in and near the end and I put it on hold to play and complete another 30 hour game. I found it so difficult to finish. I was mislead and disappoined from the set up and intrigue of the demo.
Most boring game I played this year.
*says ff9 and ff4 is their favorite Final Fantasy*
Ah, I see you are a person of culture as well..😆✌🏽
Hell yeah!!!
I got the platinum two days ago but it’s not a final fantasy and besides the main fights, it’s a boring and blend game with empty open areas. Sidequests are boring af. It does not deserve the name final fantasy or at least not a main number entry. And at last it is not an rpg!!
SE just been sucking TBH. They lost their way. Now they are trying to attract a different audience instead of being the game they always been
The game ended up number 3 out of my top 5 final fantasy games. And one of the best things i can say for it is that i have dropped a LOT of the games in the series from getting bored with them (1,3,4,5,8,9,10,12,13,15) and i NEVER felt that way with this game. Definitely ready to see what cbu3 has up their sleeve next.
You don't have to stare at the middle of the screen for QTE. The few times they show up they pause the game, with colour coded flashes for attack/dodge with like 5 whole seconds to react.
Afaik the other difficulty mode even removes the prompt and just has the colours.
it pauses the game and you have a time limit to hit it. But like that breaks the immersion. I have to stop and do a thing. Either let me hammer the guy, or let me watch him be hammered.
the biggest thing for me is that the story feels like just a rehash of the final fantasy 7 store line
I won't be bothering with this ...
Same
Why not?
You've played games that've done everything this tries to do.. only way better.
So edgy.
@@ACEOFTHEBLITZnews flash: that's every FF game.
I like the game. I like the story, and I really like the characters, and think the game is pretty fun. Although it's way too easy, I don't know how they thought it was okay to be this easy. It's not like Devil May Cry is this easy, so I don't understand how it turned out like this. I know Game of Thrones was a main source of inspiration, but man it's way too reliant on it. Wish they didn't straight up copy quite as much from it and had less direct connections to GOT. It pulled me out of things many times.
But is it Final Fantasy? No. Not at all. And remember, I really like the game, but that doesn't mean I lie to myself. Refusing that is some heavy copium. And I don't get why other 16 fans can't accept this. It is by far the biggest departure for the series. Too big of one. I'm sick of seeing weak defensive arguments like "every FF changes things". Yeah, they always change the story, they expand upon or tweak the combat, etc. They don't uproot the entire lineage. It's not specifically the action combat, but the combination of _everything_ they removed that you mentioned like status effects, real party members, elemental mechanics, and everything else. Taking it ALL away is what makes this not Final Fantasy. The game could have been called Final Fantasy Eikons or something to show it's a spinoff as it truly is, but then they wouldn't get the mainline FF cash-in they were hoping for. Though looks like they aren't getting that anyway because of it being too big of a departure.
Quick side note, I HATED Active Time Lore. It breaks immersion which is a huge story telling sin so I think it's a god awful idea. Encouraging me to constantly PAUSE THE CUTSCENES I'M WATCHING is not good. Instead they should have had the system explain things during the fade-to-black moments between multiple cutscenes, and also after the cutscenes end. It's horribly executed.
Yoshi P and his team needs to learn for to make a single player game and step out of the MMO mindset because all is the pseudo-MMO shit in the quests was fucking atrocious, even as someone who also loves MMOs. It doesn't belong in a single player game.
In summary, I think Squeenix's history lately is just some painful irony. They keep stating things like "we have to modernize our games for new players and what they and the market expect nowadays". And while they are doing so, their sales continue to drop, not understanding that their "old style" games continue to have been their most successful. It's simply mind boggling they don't see the classic formulas is what people want and what we clearly paid for previously and are no longer getting from them.
My thoughts exactly
Easily top 3 for me right now. We will see as time passes but i dont expect it to drop much... worst case top 5 ff games.
REALLY??? That is some high praise! What are the other two?
@@PelvicGaming for me it's gotta be FF 7, all of it just grouped as a whole between the original and remake... We will see if that changes once the rest of the remake games are out haha... And 2 for me is FF X. I absolutely love the world and characters. To this day... Auron's speech before the Yunalesca fight still gives me goosebumps.
It was ok but nothing i want to revisit again. Im usually an NG+ player but had no desire to do that with this one. I too missed some of the japanese quirks and hope ff doesnt move completely in a western direction
Everything you said in this…..spot fucking on!!!!
Thank you so much for watching!
Im saying no.
It's ok..just ok. I cant describe it really but it feels by 30hrs it really needed something else to keep you hooked. Perhaps the game is a bit long and better to cut the mid game fluff.. Just wish the weapons and crafting had some ompf to keep you engaged. Not just +5dmg... would have been good to be able to somehow modify torgul and give purpose to the 1000 sharp fangs in your inventory..
OOOOO MODIFYING TORGAL WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCH A COOL IDEA. ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS A LITTLE ARC OF HIS OWN.
FFXVI is and always will be a JRPG. This whole "is this or that game a REAL RPG or not" BS is everything I hate about modern gaming culture. An RPG is an RPG regardless of your personal preference of how YOU think an RPG SHOULD be. I mean really? This is what we are focusing on? Not the fact that it had a great story, a solid cast of characters, interesting world, and epic music but just minor gripes about how it doesn emulate 6-10? That also makes me think that most people complaining are over 40 which adds a whole other level to how pathetic this debate has become. Don't you have jobs, families, and lives? Moaning about shit like this every day makes think otherwise. Am I the only older gamer that isn't full on addicted to nostalgia? I think I might be. Well I like when companies try new things and am not afraid of action combat so I'll keep enjoying the golden era of RPGs we've been getting for the last ten years while you all find something to cry over in ever game that releases. I don't envy being that miserable. Can't be a fun existence.
Although i understand your perspective, an RPG is historically a game that allows you customize your character/party with stat changing items, resistances, spells (or tech if in games like fallout). Take tales of arise as a similar comparison, in terms of the action rpgs genre. Except you have a lot of control in tales on how to gear and skill your characters. And there were different gear that would affect your stats differently. So you can swap your team and gear out depending on what kinds of enemies you’re about to face. Ff16 didn’t have anything like that. Just basic gear upgrades like an action game, with no real choices. Sword A does more dps than sword B. So why wouldn’t you upgrade from sword B. No elemental swords that would do extra damage, not agonizing choices between a slightly weaker sword that has more upgrade slots than a stronger sword, etc. Spells were also incredibly basic in ff16. The ranged casting was really not useful except as filler to keep the damage going when out of melee range or when dodging mechanics. So really the game’s combat was use your limit break when the bar is full, then spam your eikon skills, and then fill with melee until cooldowns are done, hit limit break when the bar is full, and repeat ad infinitum. For every single enemy. No summons, not spells, no different weapon styles, no jobs (i.e. classes), and no party members.
FF16, though I did enjoy it, it felt more like playing an action game like bayonetta, dmc, or astral chain. Flashy attacks but very limited skillset. And a very linear progression through the game. Hardly any exploration, since the game is point to point movement, so no secrets to find. No choices to make that would affect your experience of the story (even as simple as dialogue choices were missing here). It’s an rpg as much as dirge of cerberus, which i don’t think it was. Another game I liked, but was surprised by the direction it took.
Not feeling like this is an rpg isn’t saying it’s a bad game. Just that it’s a big departure from what made Final Fantasy the genre defining jrpg series we came to love over the decades (ff15 aside). It was the series that introduced a lot of us to just how good and epic a jrpg could be in it’s story, cast, and variability of gameplay. It also felt a little deflating when I realized I can only ever play as Clive doing the same move sets over and over again for 60hrs.
The “game of thrones” thing really fell by the wayside about halfway into the game, when it made a hard turn back into jrpg territory. The thematic shift felt strange. Again both halves of the game were enjoyable, but they felt like two different games to me. Where, aside from dion, it seemed like the other kingdoms just became irrelevant and uninvolved despite the high stakes the story introduced. It was a story all about Clive and only Clive. The other side characters were only more fully (loosely) explored in side quests and otherwise felt pretty generic in the main story. You could sub in any character for the non-dominants and it wouldn’t have changed how the story felt.
Again, i thought it was a fun game. Unlike ff15, i did everything in Ff16 except some of the trials. But it didn’t feel like a mainline rpg entry that the name, Final Fantasy, invokes.
What if devil may cry’s combat became turn based like x-com. Would it still appeal to dmc fans? Maybe. But it’s not what they’d expect from a game with that title. Nor would it be an action game, anymore. It would be a strategy game.
@@von4297 That's one style of an RPG. Based on your standard, none of the golden age narrative driven RPG are actual RPGs when really you just need to accept that like with music there are a lot of different styles to RPG from CRPG to JRPG to WRPG to SRPG. Some games let you choose all the choices, others only have you choose some, others have you role playing as a specific character. There is no one certain REAL RPG and you all just need to accept that different styles exist and are just as real as the styles you prefer. All this bickering is pointless and kind of stupid imo.
@@NeutralGloomBot is anyone bickering? As the OP on this thread, you brought it up, lol.
I was more responding to you calling the rest of us “miserable” for being somewhat disappointed this wasn’t an rpg in the vein pretty much every mainline final fantasy except for 15.
You’re being very defensive about this. In the end what does it matter? Maybe I like grapefruit and you don’t. I’m not going to say you’re miserable for having different taste.
JRPG's are a category of RPG's. This game does not have many of the JRPG tropes. Hell, if this game is a JRPG, well then so is Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, and Ninja Gaiden, which, they just aren't.
I mean, also, you're also complaining about the over 40's complaing about this game. So does that make you the gram gram screaming at the kids to stay off your lawn?
@@vaguedreams Yep many different styles of RPGs exist is there is no one true style with specific this or that's has been my point all along. Don't know why do many people do the "not a REAL RPG" thing whenever an RPG strays from their own personal choice of category. And I'm actually telling people my own age not to be that old man yelling at kids about "back in my day we had the REAL RPGs" 😂
You dont like dogs? You dare say that on these internet streets?
I'm a daring woman. Haha
This is easily the game of the year
Sorry but...TEARS OF THE KINGDOM LETS GOOOOOOOO
@@PelvicGaming lol 😂 I actually loved that game too
FF16 is the easiest Final Fantasy game. The gameplay and the bosses are not challenging, and doesn't feel rewarding at all. The story was good, but I struggled to understand the entire plot... even listening to Vivian and reading up, it was just way too much for me.
Here's my dumb hot take just for funzies.
This isn't it by the way; FF16's combat is bland, button mashy and uninteresting and made me not play the game.
This is the part that amuses me; If FF16 had instead the combat system of Squareenix Action Rpg, and mid-budget game no one cares about or remembers came out, Valkyrie Elysium it'd actually be a fun game.
Sadly one of those games was a tax right off or something and one was so expensive it wasn't allowed to "challenge" the mass market in even the slightest way.
Shame really. Valkyrie is a lot of fun to play, it really could have used some more budget and internal support. If Sqaure wants to make action games, that's fine. But they need to be good.
While my wife was playing, I saw she had a dog for a party member and I asked if you get a party just like every other FF game ever made. Nope. Just a dog.
A wolf! I'll have you know. Haha