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- Two US Navy #ships came a little too close for comfort as they passed each other in #SanDiego Bay.
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Their already left of each others centre line, why turn right?
Port was the correct call!
quite right!
It's called COLREGS. They should have not allowed 🚫 the situation to become in extremis.
@@1stChaCha regulations.
Exactly
The navy literally said both ships were in communication entire time
And why didn't they change direction early enough?
@@1TeddySOSthey did
@@1TeddySOSthe angle looked like it was super close
This navy tradition....playing chicken.
@@1TeddySOSthey were discussing pronouns.
that’s why passing on the right is “advised”, not “required”
Playing chicken eh?
Navy has there own rule book called IALA … dictates rules of the road for all vessels on water ways and they don’t say or use right … every ship is to do a port to port pass it’s gets tricky we use IALA Bravo (International association of light house authorities) north South America Japan Korea Philippines all use Bravo the rest use Alpha where you pass starboard to starboard right side of the ship … there no exception unless a ship is in distress or restricted in her ability to maneuver like a carrier in a small channel will stay in the middle so doesn’t not run aground … it’s not usually it’s the law captains have discretion to do the opposite in case of an emergency
@@joshualorenz7879The IALA Maritime Buoyage System has nothing to do with the "rules of the road", or this video. They are 2 different publications.
@@joshualorenz7879I think A region still use the same rule, should turn to the right., meet Port to Port side. Sorry for my bad English
Wouldn't this fall under captains discretion in certain scenarios though? We all know most "rules" are guidelines
Both vessels made passing arrangement “I’ll see you on the two (whistles) Captain.”
Right. See you on the one may be more common. But it isn't mandatory. As long as whoever is at the wheel has arranged with the other vessel. Sometimes you'll hear "one bell or two?". I've even used horn signals in the past on the great lakes when the other guy had radio issues.
@@blackhawks81HI always use 3 and 9 cause at some point they gotta pass the side. Just easier to pick a side
❤👍👆 🚢
They were just playing the legendary game called chicken
Passing without hitting each other generally takes priority
That was a proper zig. The conditions weren't right for a zag.
lol exactly 👏
Facts
Have just heard that in series by president moss 5he zig and not zag😂😂
😂
The ships were in constant communication and both vessels knew exactly what they were doing
Completely!
Yes they did. Playing chicken.
I'm sure. Looked very calculated. This is NBC and they're using a text to speech
Comms went something like this:
Command Ship: I'm not moving, you are!
Destroyer: I have enough firepower to destroy several of you, plus I'm on an important mission. Move now!
Command Ship: Well I'm 4 times the displacement and mass so when we collide in 6 seconds......
@@-_.._._--_.-.-_-_-_-...-.- This was my thought as well! You move! No,you move! No,I need to go to port YOU MOVE.NO,I MUST leave port MOVE NOW.NOO...Seconds before impact,lighter boat is like Nah,I was just fw you big bro way to stand on business but don't forget.I run circles around your big ahh 😂
What I just saw was two ships making a decision to do what seemed like the best and only option to avoid a collision. They didn't collide. Good job ya'll! Lives and millions of dollars saved!
Exactly
They can detect a guppy twenty miles away but, two giant vessels headed towards each other with all of the best technology in the world and visual nearly rammed each other and you're good with that
You should look up what range battle ships fight at and then ask yourself why were they so close together considering they can detect shallow craft miles away
Well I don't think there would be much life lost
But toooons of money and lives ruined maybe
@@CraigGrant-sh3in Ahh almost forgot humans NEVER make mistakes. Theyre perfect 100% in every single way possible, never make any errors 👍
They made the correct call. The mandatory investigation will be swift.
What happened.
They avoided eachother by atleast 200m
Why am I here...
no they didnt lol
They avoided a crash so they successfully avoided a crash. They did nothing wrong.
but why leave it so close?
US naval war ships have been using that channel in San Diego harbor for over 120 years. I think they know what they are doing.
That explains all the collisions we have... Oh wait 🤣
I guess our guys are poorly trained, there's usually multiple crashes every year. Same with our flights. Poor americans dying in training constantly.
@@Devilishlybenevolentonly time I hear about soldier in vehicles dying in training is helicopter or maybe sometimes plane crashes but the og comment is talking about boats.
@@mrsavagemans Yeah our boats crash yearly and it happens so often. You have to wonder what is negligence, what is stupidity and what is just bad training. Almost every year our ships crash and our sailors die. Though we don't hear about it too often, its a blip on the map and designed that way.
Then why did they go after the man who recorded the near collision ?
@@DevilishlybenevolentU.S navy ships have only collided 12 times since 1946 and there have been a total of 22 crashes since then. So on average there is a crash every 3.5 years.
This happens more than you think, even outside of the navy. As long as both vessels are in communication with (and both know basic mariner law and lingo) all will be fine
they were not the only ships in the channel, both violated federal law codified and enforced by DHS and the Coast Guard.....they are not allowed to travel down the center of the channel, and when approaching each other they are REQUIRED to pass on the right.
True. Standard yielding is only really necessary when neither can communicate. Otherwise it's just a coordinated maneuver. The same goes with aircraft flying close in formation. Fine if you don't sneak up on them and communicate your intentions.
Can you explain something… I’m confused because they did pass on their right. They turned left yes which meant they passed each other on the right, right?
@wheresmyparade well think of it like a road, you drive on the right side so cars goin the opposite direction would be passing on your left side, on the water it is expected we all stay to the right but if both Vessels communicate to turn hard to port no collision should happen
@@catchemup_jon636 I actually drive on the left side of the road… well not just me, my entire country. I do understand logistics what I don’t understand is that these two boats, did pass each other on the right.
Just wanted to hug each other...
Normal day in the navy lol
During COVID
@@alinaqirizvi1441not service related xd
YES
Smaller vessel must move for larger ones (rule of boating on basically any liquid)
What other liquid do boats operate in other than water
@@GhostKidd-jx6kk🦅
@@GhostKidd-jx6kk oil floats on water also the universe and space is vast and never ending I’m sure there’s oceans on other worlds with other liquids far far away
@@abrams1408 how would he know what the rules are on liquids on different planets?
@@ThomasJeffersonEdwardsIV I’m just answering questions to my best extent if you wanna take the time to study every inch of every planet in all of ever expanding space matter time and even dimensions for mystery liquids and re teach all you learn to ppl be my guest
When two bodies are heading right at each other, in any vehicle or on foot, you always pass on the right.
Left was the right choice.
Aren't you silly.
But not in politics 🙄
When left is right and right is wrong we know we all in trouble
No it’s the left choice
Right wasn't the choice left??😅
Both Helmsmen: "I never know if they mean MY right or the other ship's right".
No, they both turned to the left.
@@johangambleputty7658 Passing on the right. Both passed each other on their right. No one said anything about turning… just passing.
@@wheresmyparadeRoger that's inland rules it's an intention to leave the other on their port side (one wistle?
That's why we use 1 and 2
Head-on passing on the 1 is always going to be starboard side of your vessel to the starboard side of their vessel. Opposite for the 2. And if you're being overtaken, the vessel overtaking you will have their port side to your starboard side if they intend to pass you on the 1.
Edit: whoops I typed my original comment backwards, it's correct now
@@ObnoxiousCamoToe But in this video, they didn’t pass each other on their port side? They passed each other on the right.
The bigger ship won the chicken game. Congratulations to the officer.
i was thinking the same thing 😛😃😁
Ofc
I want to salute him
🐔
The rule is always “little guy has to move out of the way for the big boy”
I said something similar but some internet stranger insisted I was incorrect
Thats how people here in Lima Peru drives their cars.
Reference the Gross Tonnage Rule when in doubt.
The smaller boat Is more agile that's why
Except that they use all kinds of fancy words like "give way to vessels of greater displacement." Also they rules change a bit if sailing craft are involved but it always comes down to the more agile vessel letting the more pokey one go their way.
Ground breaking video thank you ..life changing
The bigger vessel probably preferred to stay further away from coast line possibly due to shallow water. Manouver was most likely agreed via communication before. Also the video has been sped up.
While the USS Harpers Ferry is a much bigger warship (16,000 tons vs 9210 tons) the Harpers Ferry only drafts 21 feet where the Momsen is 31 ft because of its sonar dome sticking down much further into the water.
@@dundonrlStill doesnt mean anything.
To me its bogus news.
International regulations for preventing collisions at sea:
Rule 2(b) States that one can deviate from the rules when trying to avoid immediate danger.
@madisivaste5601 Just saying one of the reasons why the Momsen went the way she did, instead of passing port to port side.
Its got nothing to do with what you said. Both ships are already on each others left so for them to keep going left was the safer smarter option. If they would of turn right the would of have to crossed each other centers which would of been far more dangerous.
@@dundonrl I agree. Passing on the right is the expectation unless there is some kind of agreement. The Momsen most certainly chose to pass on the left because of its 31 foot draft. I think the other commenters think that the investigation is about which side they passed on, when it is about the delay.
Both ships would have been talking on the radio already and they would have waiting to turn after communicating their intentions and receiving a positive response from the other ship. I retired from the Coast Guard and spent many years on the bridge going in and out of ports and this is quite common in busy shipping ports like this.
Thank you for your many years of service! 🙋
@retiredcryptohunter9031 why are the ships required or advised to steer right? is there a legitimate reason having to do with waves or???
@@roupensarkissian7643 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea
If it’s so common and just the usual result of a busy shipping lane then why was there an investigation? We don’t usually investigate common occurrences.
@@justmyopinion8395 there could be many reasons why there was an investigation BUT they might be saying there was an investigation just to get views 🤷🏻♂️
In the video you can see that its too late to maneuver their ships to the right because both are already left justified in their positions and its not safe anymore that they will both turn right to their starboard sides.. its good they applied their good judgement and common sense… aye salute!!!
You can clearly see that they aren't making any wake, which means that they weren't moving, until they both turned. This was NOT a near collision. The video is also sped up by a lot.
@@chevy383jtyup people cant tell its sped up because they dont look carefully. look at the crew scurrying about at light speed on the decks lol
@@a.t6066 18 other people appear to think the same thing that Hector thought. Hopefully they'll realize and accept that they were duped by a sped up video.
The coastguard advising the Navy is wild 💀
There at practice!!! Communication is the key to happiness.
As long is constant communication is between both ships your good.
There wasn’t constant communication or they wouldn’t have had to perform evasive action.
Lots of ships are supposed to wait until the last minute to turn. Something about the fluid dynamics that essentially push them away from each other and the sucks them back to their center line.
maybe with the toys u play in ur bath, but not so much irl
@@MrPaxio💀☠
Apparently there's a lot of pushing and sucking on naval vessels, not sure why ?
@@MrPaxiothe ocean is just one big bath and this is a thing that applies on both scales in water
@@boenarrow yeah, what also applies is the insurance rates going 10x if you try to apply your bathtub logic to real life
I was a US Navy Boatswains mate and part of our job is to be helmsman. Passing on the right is a guideline, mostly. Many things are to be considered. For example, it is possible one of the ships was having issues with the steering system and that why they didn't turn off in the first place. If you don't wait and calculate the best I do at the time one ship could have followed the rule and turned directly into the path where the other ship could not have avoided contact due to the steering issue. But they have radio coms and radar and men on watch so they shoukd definitely not have gotten this close.
As a Vet USCG BM Coxswain whatever the cause of the near miss, it should have been communicated way farther in advance than this and should never have gotten to this point. Only possible allowable explanation would have been a steering and engine failure on both ships at the same time. Most likely it was poor leadership and anticipation on the bridge of both vessels.
@@mattterry30 100%!
Men on watch that couldn't spot the collision farther out 😅
BIDEN AND DEMOCRATS OPEN UP THE BOARDERS AND IT'S A ACT OF WAR AND TREASON
to busy watching tik tok videos!
This has been properly explained why are you wasting our time acting like something was wrong
Navy: we steered on the right. The camera is just mirrored😂😂😂
All ships entering ports use Civilian Pilots.
They take command of ships movements. So this isnt really thr fault of the Navy.
The helsman was just following directions.
The rule of thumb is passing on the right so everyone knows where the other guy is going. This works even if communication is broken and keeps everyone safe.
Yes. It is very common for river tow boats pushing 1000 or more feet of barges to pass on either side of each other. Wherever there is room.
Even before radios, they communicated their intentions and acknowledgments via whistle or horn signals.
Actually the rule is that smaller ships yield to larger ones due to better maneuverability.
This applies at a further distance but not on close call. The maritime rules should be modified for close distance Bow to Bow maneuvering, the rule might be "Where the bow and the longitudinal axis of the ship is dominantly situated, it should turn on that direction away from the incoming ship to avoid collision. But for close Bow to Body maneuvering at any subtended angle, the transversal heading ship should slow down, apply reverse thrust and stop until the route heading is clear.
It’s not a rule of thumb - it’s the law. This was directly in contravention of the Rules of the Road and had there been a collision, the CO, Navigator and OOW of both units would’ve been prosecuted!
@@2023crosshair-wa6MnYou’re not meant to approach vessels to that sort of distance, because it leads to collisions. Enshrining exactly how to manoeuvre in a situation in law is ludicrous and would be detrimental to safety on the high seas and waters connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels.
The military does so but it is heavily Co-ordinated and there are specific NATO rules that are intended as an addendum to Rules of the Road that delineate who gives way to who for ships conducting these sorts of manoeuvres.
Cap'n Jack Sparrow " Hard a starboard?"
Mr Gibbs. "HARD A STARBOARD!!!"
They actually both turned to Port.
wrong.... they both turned to the port side.
But the first ship on lefthand side of the second ship so it was better to stear on to the left Amen
So thy did go jod no accident no crash
Plus the larger vessel may have preferred to stay further away from shore!! Thanks to this video tho now we can’t watch the harbor anymore. Some government agency showed up and pulled the guys cameras off his business. He has a business on a peak overlooking the harbor and started off with only one camera but over time and as popularity increased he got better cameras and more of them. There’s ppl who would sit and watch his channel all day, different angles and everything but not no more. I think they stated it was “compromising National security” to post navy actions on the www, not like China doesn’t have satellites that track all our vessels just as we do theirs!!
This is normal, ship’s passing in narrow channels wait until the last minute to turn as the pressure differential helps them pass without hitting each other or running aground. Casual Navigation made a good video explaining it
Fleet Admiral Armchair here! I just wanted to point out that procedure should always be paramount to a free nation! These proud men and women serving the greater good and whatnot. I feel the thing here is what definitely happened and that is what makes our great country...uh...great! Ok, i'll take any questions? Yes? You there...oops, sorry, Time's up! Go Navy!
The rule of passing on the right is only advised when you have enough time to turn but in situations like this the coast guard allows emergency maneuvers to avoid head on collisions. It’s in the rule book
Yes but the Harpers Ferry is blatantly on the wrong side of the harbor channel. This is San Diego Harber and it can handle all sizes of ships including Nimits Class aircraft carriers.
Naval investigation: "Well, it was on our right side so I decided to go left." Some one's in for a court marshal.
Nope. If they'd passed to the R, they would have collided Bow to Bow, because they were already too far to the left (not center or right) to enable each to turn to the right.
@@anneriggs6609 I believe that's what I said.
@rc4688 he can't read don't worry
Let the restrictions and extra duty begin! The Captains and Admirals will be in contact with the commands responsible for sure.
Those that fight and run away will live to fight another day
Don't be a hero be smart and live
Steering to the right will take longer current make them crash keeping in communication at this point for the best decided way to go
Even the U.S. Navy gets confused with the whole Port/Starboard thing. 😅
Not at all whatsoever.. there was no confusion there.
You dont even know what they're doing but good job criticizing what you don't understand.
Passing on a side is a guideline not the rule.
Dummy.
Keep spreading ignorance
Starboard = right, Port = left. Simple
Port = 4 letters, Left = 4 letters. There, made it easy.
Bro had the whole ocean💀💀
That was near the choke point between San Diego and Coronado Island, one of the tightest areas either of those ships usually encounter. They shouldn’t have been that close to begin with but it’s a pretty tight area no doubt. I used to be on the bigger ship of the two, a few years back.
Journalist watching them post TTS news clips be like “I’m getting replaced by AI😂😅”
I mean, if we think long term... We're all getting replaced by AI
My god do you see how agile that little ship is?
I've never seen a boat half that size do a turn that sharp. Wow
Two Navy Vessels made a logical decision. Great News 🙌🏻
They are on the right of each other!
Steering at the last minute creates a water barrier pushing ships away. Passing too late pulls the ships close together and the aft may slam into the other ship.
Basic Seamanship...follow the inland rules of the road and communicate via bridge to bridge. Simple! (Ret. OSCS)
Theres a difference between following protocol and knowing when you shouldnt to avoid injury/death.
They were already too close to turn right and the safest option was left
That procedure would all depend upon the circumstances at the time . That passage looked very active with other non military traffic. Both ships had to avoid all of the other vessels and avoid groundings.They timed the turns precisely. Both ships had personnel checking the surrounding waters for any possible danger including other vessels.👀👀👀👀
Your tax dollars at work
Your brain failing you.
Out of context, two navy vessels aboiding eachother while in communication the whole time...
What about tax dollars?
You don't even understand what theyre doing.
But good job, criticizing what you don't understand
That's one of those things you need to know when having a captain's license
You also know you can communicate with other people in your same job, so these captains already being in communication with each other and already being left of each others centerline makes turning left more practical. You don't have that luxury on your Bayliner.
Ah yes, a game of water chicken
Thats actually a thing you do in maritime travel to, listen yo this, not hot each other
In 1962, Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points in a single basketball game. This is Wilt's teammate in the locker room..."Wilt, I was open!" This is the coach of the other team..."Who was supposed to be covering Wilt?" My question is this...who is steering these ships???
Good thing they were both high They deserve Medals. No CRASH is No CRASH Thats A Win for all
this time, what about next time? both captains need removed from command for violating federal law codified and enforced by DHS/Coast Gaurd.
@@jamesw71Agreed - this is a shocking display of seamanship by the USN. Having said that, the Port Authority/VTS has something to answer for to, for having not deconflicted these two ships in advance.
I heard in tight channels that the ships prefer to keep the maneuver close because the interactions help re-center.
"Texas Chicken"
Advised, not required.. they definitely did the right move in this situation
Imagine getting investigated by the navy for taking a left turn
They were too far off a path to take the right pass, had to navigate left of each other. Glad the were communicating their intentions.
You can tell the bigger ship started going right but it realized that the smaller one started going left, it had no choice, or possibly collide.
This is so much better with the sound turned off
They did what was best.
They did the right thing at that point, their problems happened way before that
Port (side) to port (side) is standard practice around the world based on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea.
It wasn't head on. Small ship was already aligned to the left. They just completed the trajectory with the quickest option
both captains are prideful and only turn when scared. that's a firing
Good Captain! Good Captain!!!
The issue isn’t the way they passed . It’s 2 navy ships nearly colliding.
never forget the USS Liberty and the brave men who lost their lives that day
Well you can see that the far ship already tried to go right to avoid them, but realized it made more sense to just go left because they were already headed that way around them
They made the right call. But an investigation to try and avoid more close calls would be wise.
the fact that they both turned the same side to avoid collision
They did the correct thing at that second.
It’s clear it would have taken a longer travel radius to turn to the right in this case cause the ships were to the right of each other, making it safer to go left. steering to the right would have meant both ships would be steering towards each other for some time before clearing or possibly hitting each other. It’s clear from the video what more investigating is needed the pilot made a good call. and the second captain begun maneuvering right but quickly corrected that quick reaction also saved the day.
This was a drill. They didn't just see each other. They probably looked at each other for a full 30 minutes.
Small Ship: Ok BIG guy, I'll turn left for you.
Big Ship: You meant you'll turn left?
Small Ship: You meant left of your right?
Big Ship: Right!
Small Ship: You meant right of your left?
Big Ship: OOOOKayyy. Let's start over again.
Small Ship: RRrright.
Big Ship: So you like right now?
Is there’s nothing better to report than two ships doing ship stuff?
Port to port is the standard maritime requirement. But, when in extremis, do whatever is safe and prudent.
The tone of the narration sounds like Navy ships steering at the last minute is how it's done.
They took the right decision in this scenarios
Turning right would have been a disaster.
Right doesn't always mean right.
Also depends on draft of each vessel where the Frigate had to avoid going to starboard. Rarely you have to take a departure from The Collision Regulations necessary to avoid impending collision and one vessel may have been Not Under Command or Restricted In Its Ability To Manoeuvre.
Read the script for me in the most dead pan non emotional voice you can give me.
Nailed it.
A similar situation led to the sinking of the Coastguard vessel Blackthorn, the other ship, the Capricorn did the two whistles to pass starboard-to-starboard but the guy behind the wheel of the Blackthorn was confused as to what that meant and for some reason the crew of the Blackthorn hadnt been responding to attempts to contact their bridge via radio. The worst part was the anchor from the other ship got embdedded in the Blackthorns hull and as the Capricorn was much larger she pulled the Blackthorn under and 23 people died.
This is actually called a “Military Right” , not everything is orthodox, critical, forward and abstract thinking, during operations. Anchors ⚓️ aweigh
Destroyer: Hey... Mama.
Mothership: Hey son, watch out, I am to old to dodge the coalition so step aside😂
Left was obviously the safer option considering how close they were since he was already on the left side turning right would be inconvenient
We're looking through a zoom lens so we actually can't tell how close these ships are from each other. It looks close but it might not have been close at all. Zoom lenses do crazy things.
There is a lot of context missing. The bigger boat turned too early, the smaller boat could not maneuver because it was taking on a pilot. However, the bigger boat (Harpers Ferry) is on the wrong side of the channel. the pilot on Momsen (smaller ship) realizes it and orders hard to port. Harpers Ferry does the same thing. It was a near miss, but no real danger.
That was the right decision at that moment
I would love to hear the captain say « LEFT FULL RUDER ALL ENGINES AHEAD FLANK »
I recall hearing that the left was the correct way to turn to avoid collisions
By the looks it was the best move under the circumstances, but what flow was the current going?
The little old ship line that I always heard was red right returning when you look at ships at night, you’ll see a red light on the right side green light on the left then a pilot light in the back which is 360 the reason why you always go to the right is because of those colors and helps out significantly with nighttime navigation please correct me if I’m wrong but I’m fairly sure it’s how you tell what direction mow ships are taking when they’re far out into the ocean whether they’re facing you or going away there’s also small craft advisory bouys that follow the same rules but if you’re and back bays it’s different
The investigation
Investigator: did you steer towards the left?
Sailor: yes sir. It was a logical maneuver or else if we would of turned right then we would of crashed into the ship.
Investigator: I'm sorry, but do I hear you making excuses?
Sailor: NNNNooo??? It was the most logical maneu......
Investigator: Son, we don't do things logically here in the navy, we do what's right. Not left, not down, and not up, juuuusssst right.
Investigated the fact that sometimes the rules don't apply to avoid a tragedy...they should praise them!!
If that’s where I think it is, it’s very shallow if you go towards land….. The smaller vessel was both avoiding the larger vessel as well as preventing a beaching incident
This incompetence is what Iran, North Korea & Russia notices. They don't pay attention to a Medal of Honor recipient which didn't leave it all out on the field of battle.
They were too far to the left of each other to turn to the right. This video is illogical.
Passing on the left is permitted. The most important requirement is that the ships are communicating with all ships in the narrow channels.