A most instructive, thoughtful presentation and I'm glad I came across it on Easter, the Holiest Day on the calendar, albeit a year behind the curve. I have heard a few people argue for universalism. Mostly from those who are in a state of denial, out of fear for their own actions or the actions of others. If the tenants of universalism were true, there would be no need for a Savior. The intellectually honest at least admit that. The same goes for reincarnation. If we keep getting eternal mulligans, why would Christ have put Himself through such a horrible amount of suffering? If the Holy Spirit is just a warm fuzzy, why would there be so many martyrs, past and present? I don't have all the answers and I'm not going to pretend I do. But I have faith. As C.S. Lewis put it: “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell." God doesn't send us to Hell, we do that. If Hell didn't exist, what would be the point? If you subscribe to that you may as well go all-in and join the crowd who say life has no real purpose except that which we give it because we are all just a random collection of cells who happened to win the cosmic lottery and were born a bit more clever than the beasts and bugs of the field. If we really did set our own morality, can you imagine just how wicked this place would be? Why, some would call it Hell on Earth, which kind of brings us back to C.S. Lewis's position. The fact we aren't cosmic slaves or higher forms of animal life living a deterministic life based on instinct and wiring should be truth enough. But we're too clever for that aren't we. For those who subscribe to the randomness of things, you might want to at least adopt the position of the criminal from the movie The Usual Suspects who admitted: "I don't believe in God but I'm afraid of Him." Or, you can accept His Word and His Grace. That's easier. Less mental gymnastics and you'll sleep better at night. Happy Easter everyone, and God Bless. 🙏
Shout out to the producer, you did a great job on this presentation because you focused on the guest and did not make it about the host. Just a really professional top notch job, thanks so much, this is a great interview that I will watch again and again! Peace!
Rohr’s whole position seems like it can be summed up in the second temptation of Christ in the desert, “you shall not tempt your God.” Because he’s basically arguing that no matter what you do, surely God will come save you from the consequences of your own willful sin and essentially enable you. Because He loves you, does He? But that is NOT love. No loving earthly parent would do that, we know that’s not good for our kids. It’s is disrespectful to them because it robs them of their own self of personal responsibility and maturity. It hurts people to deny them the opportunity to grow up. God’s love is a reflection of perfect maturity and respect, which is the opposite of this universalist, enabling view
his mercy endures forever.
We are all saved by grace....thank you Michael for writing a very large book on the topic of Gods saving grace for 'all' men through Jesus Christ.
A most instructive, thoughtful presentation and I'm glad I came across it on Easter, the Holiest Day on the calendar, albeit a year behind the curve. I have heard a few people argue for universalism. Mostly from those who are in a state of denial, out of fear for their own actions or the actions of others. If the tenants of universalism were true, there would be no need for a Savior. The intellectually honest at least admit that. The same goes for reincarnation. If we keep getting eternal mulligans, why would Christ have put Himself through such a horrible amount of suffering? If the Holy Spirit is just a warm fuzzy, why would there be so many martyrs, past and present? I don't have all the answers and I'm not going to pretend I do. But I have faith. As C.S. Lewis put it: “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell."
God doesn't send us to Hell, we do that. If Hell didn't exist, what would be the point? If you subscribe to that you may as well go all-in and join the crowd who say life has no real purpose except that which we give it because we are all just a random collection of cells who happened to win the cosmic lottery and were born a bit more clever than the beasts and bugs of the field. If we really did set our own morality, can you imagine just how wicked this place would be? Why, some would call it Hell on Earth, which kind of brings us back to C.S. Lewis's position. The fact we aren't cosmic slaves or higher forms of animal life living a deterministic life based on instinct and wiring should be truth enough. But we're too clever for that aren't we. For those who subscribe to the randomness of things, you might want to at least adopt the position of the criminal from the movie The Usual Suspects who admitted: "I don't believe in God but I'm afraid of Him." Or, you can accept His Word and His Grace. That's easier. Less mental gymnastics and you'll sleep better at night. Happy Easter everyone, and God Bless. 🙏
Excellent and thought-provoking, thank you for your clarity and scholarship.
Michael you’re a gem🙏 God bless you exceedingly 😊
Thank you for your clear and precise presentation about Universalism. You presented the truth in love without characterizing or or condemning.
Thank you. Very interesting.
Choices with eternal consequences
Shout out to the producer, you did a great job on this presentation because you focused on the guest and did not make it about the host. Just a really professional top notch job, thanks so much, this is a great interview that I will watch again and again! Peace!
Wonderful presentation.
This presentation is excellent! Thank you for doing it! May I ask ... where is the CS Lewis quote from, at ~42 min point?
Very interesting and really helpful! Blessings.
Thank you for this. My m in law keeps sending me his books
I think I will send her this xx
Wonderfully intelligent, balanced and respectful discussion. I learned so much. Thank you,
Excellent
Jesus is a “just judge” as well as a “merciful” one! Let all Christians be aware that there is no salvation outside of His holy Church!
I loved the part toward the end about the wounds of the crucifixion on the resurrected body of Christ are the marks of Time on Eternity... Beautiful
Rohr’s whole position seems like it can be summed up in the second temptation of Christ in the desert, “you shall not tempt your God.” Because he’s basically arguing that no matter what you do, surely God will come save you from the consequences of your own willful sin and essentially enable you. Because He loves you, does He?
But that is NOT love. No loving earthly parent would do that, we know that’s not good for our kids. It’s is disrespectful to them because it robs them of their own self of personal responsibility and maturity. It hurts people to deny them the opportunity to grow up. God’s love is a reflection of perfect maturity and respect, which is the opposite of this universalist, enabling view