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You are easily the best Genshin youtuber out there. The way you expain and put data on the screen to make the video more organized and better in general is so unique. I've being watching your videos since your Alhaitham guide and I don't intend to stop. Absolute GOAT.
At this point his team is generally competitive with Alhaitham But in the future patches getting Mavuika and 1 more supportive Pyro Character (Pyro traveler copium as a 5 star Bennet for example). He would be kinda insane with his passive 2 Nightsoul burst taken into consideration.
nah, hyperbloom is aoe and kinich is mostly single target.Dont think burning/burgeon compete against hyperbloom tbh. But lets seeaybe in future they change it.
@@SRIHARIS-zi1ng His best team has Emilie who could easily kill all the small AOE creeps... I have tested. That team doesn't struggle with large amount of enemies at all Kinich, Emilie, Dehya, Bennet
@@Onion_wavy Well I'm pretty sure Kinich team mates also have good AOE 🙄🙄 Like do we only play him Solo ??? Only looking at character weakness when we have a team of 4 not 1... Just like saying Neuvillette can't Nuke screenshot dmg like Mualani 🙄
@@chihaotran1568 But hyperbloom is still the best reaction ig. Alhaitham,nahida paired with furina and kuki/fischel. Also with nilou which takes it to another lvl.
He seems a near top tier dps before even getting his archon support. His Cons are also busted. Even his “crappy” C4-C5 are there to adjust his burst to have some use relative to his increased damage from his other cons. The fact that his C6 can bounce off the same enemy changes the game because it’s a Xiao style mega constellation but without the restrictions.
@@woodykusaki9970how tf are you he is weak when he got good supports like Emilie Xiangling Xingqiu Bennett. Upon that we have only two characters so far Kachina who is not that useful and Mualani who is a Nuke dps rather than constant damage. Kinch is constant damage with skill and his burst and good scalings
@@LeoAlex07 meta huggers. They will pull characters just because the character is meta or overpowered not because they actually like them or enjoy playing them
@@ubelmensch i mean, he has good damage, but tbh if you're like me you have so many dps units it's useless to pull for him just for damage. However, if you're a new player he's pretty strong
As always I watch 6 guides and yours is the only one that really hits the mark. Only one other content creator really addressed why his burst is so important and you did the best job of explaining both why and how to build around that.
I'm actually OK with Kinich having a high Base Atk, low Crit weapon. He's getting 40% from Obsidian and 5% from the baseline of all characters. That's 56% with his weapon. Not too hard to get that up to 70% with just substats, and very easy to overcap if you get too much crit if the weapon were to be a higher amount of crit.
@@nyuuh higher base stat works better with Bennett's buff. The issue with diluting attack buffs comes from oversaturation of Attack %, but that's not base attack.
i watched 30+ mins guide on him and still didn't understand his kit, your explanation was quick to the point and very clear i finally know how his kit functions lol. thanks, you're the goat.
Range plus fast attacks with auto target is a big thing, it makes everything so much more consistent and easier. You just keep doing damage, no time wasted running around or changing target for the next wave. Wanderer made me understand how valuable this is and since I got him I don’t like playing any melee character unless they have immense damage.
@@dominickjadon Kinich only has 2 hooks inside Natlan and 1 hook outside Natlan. Basically, no better than the plant saurian. They didn't give him the meta to make up for it. I mean look at other Natlan characters, mihoyo made them improvements of their respective saurians.
it was a great decision to believe in emilie while in her banner, another kokomi situation regarding with her burning kit, I'm glad i pulled for her too
great guide as always man!! i love watching so many different guide makers but i always really appreciate how your vids are always very concise without too much extra fluff 🙌 imo it makes it easier to come back to if i need a refresher on something while building a particular character! oh and also i just wanted to point out that it seems like Ajaw is actually pronounced “Ah-how” so just something to keep in mind for any future vids!! 💕
Rn, I think Alhaitham is a bit better in F2P investment level but thing can change with more Natlan characters. but with vertical investment, Kinich can surpass him even with low vertical investment bc of how much better his C1, compare to Alhaitham's. With more investment Kinich would widen this gap further bc Alhaitham's Cs are a lot impressive.
@@tdof7217 that's true but at the same time, Emillie'C would also improve Kinich team damage too(not as versatile as Nahida tho.) Edit: Also, I'm not sure Nahida C2 is as big of a jump for Alhaitham team as Kinich C0-C2 tho.
@@cardnacn6704nahida C2 have around the same impact in alhaithams teams than Emilie C2 or kinich C2. Nahida C2 giving 30% def red for all alhaitham and Nahida Dmg and the around 20% dmg increase to all the hyperblooms is massive.
@@cleod7439 So, after 2 total constellations from either Kinich or Emilie, Kinich's burning team would surpass Alhaitham's hyperbloomteam at equal amount of investment?
I feel like we never really talk about Emilie’s constellations, Emilie at c2 would bring out almost similar result to a c2 furina, cus at c1, emilie deals more damage because her passive procs every two secs instead of 4 secs at c0, at c1, she also has a 20% damage increase for her skill and passive and at c2, she offers dendro res shred up to 30%, at that point, she can be on reverie and there doesn’t have to be a deepwood holder on the team, allowing other teammates use artifacts like totm to buff kinich damage At c2, Emilie deals more raw damage than any sub dps in the game, dealing as much damage as kinich himself Also kinich having his burst increases his nightsoul blessing state by 1.7 seconds so you kinda need him to burst every rotation, and the damage on the burst tho not much is equal to a single canonshot multiplier and it’s aoe, so it’s still good to have every rotation cus all damage is damage Conclusion, kinich and Emilie is a duo, as furina and neuvillette or Bennet and Xiangling are
Sure but who is even willing to pull for Emilie and even her c2? If you like her that's totally fine ,more power to you but Emilie is the definition of a filler character, both in gameplay , design and story, last time we got this irrelevant of a character was with chiori in the 4.5 (arguably the most dry patch in genshin's history)
@@kian-ganji4.5 isn’t dry lol try some of the patches post 1.2. I remember those were actually dry. I think the only one that wasn’t dry was when Azdaha was added in 1.5. I guess 1.6 wasn’t dry since summer event. Uh so I guess 1.4 was the driest.
@@kian-ganji that’s your opinion. I got her because I liked her design and play style. Dendro is my favourite element and she plays different from other Dendro characters (doesn’t rely on elemental mastery and wants to use burning) I pulled her weapon because the banner was good and got lucky ending with both weapons in the same ten pull. I don’t really care what the character does in the story because I started in 4.1 and pulled for characters before meeting them in the Archon quest. The only character I ended not pulling because of the story is Raiden shogun. I pull based on gameplay and first impressions. When they showed her and Kinich I knew I was getting them both before even knowing what they did.
Emilie is just a sub dps. A c2 Furina is not only the BEST BUFFER in the game, but she becomes one of the strongest sub-dps with how she boosts her own summons’ damage. Now add her with a Kinich+Pyro unit and watch Furina’s pets Nuke enemies when they Vape. Furina is so cracked as a unit. C2 Furina just makes the game laughable. And make any dps unit Viable in abyss. Something C2 Emilie definitely cannot.
Many new characters will get the Wriothesley treatment I'm afraid. More units will be released, yet at the same time there are older characters who've gone missing and are also waiting for a rerun for a year or more
Just a thought here. Kinich with obsidian codex, dori or yaoyao on deep wood with role serving as battery and healer, Fischl or raiden for sub dps on golden troupe, Thomas or Bennett on scroll of the hero of cinder city. Would therefore be quick over burn team. Where dendro resonance would give some elemental mastery for some damage increase, or electro resonance for energy. Overload would consistently cause burn and periodic electro and dendro would quicken. Buffs include Dori for energy and heal, deep wood debuff, obsidian for crit, full team damage buff from scroll of hero, and finally Bennett buff (if used instead of Thomas).
3:32 I think there is a problem here...for nightsoul burst to happen, any team member can deal elemental damage if a Natlan member is present in the team...it is not that only Natlan character can trigger nightsoul burst...anyone can trigger it provided there is a Natlan character present in team
How good is the battle pass talking stick for him?gives crit second stat and It seems like he was meant to run it as it gives atk% when u have a pyro aura on you which can be done by being in benet field or you hung a burning enemy. Idk about the damage bonus part as u need to be affected by a non pyro element. Idk if burning also applies dendro to you but if it does it could be pretty good
Doesn't night soul burst active by any character as long as a natlan character is in their party? Natlan characters don't have to be the one dealing damage
question Why does xiangling deal less dmg in furina team (8:22) than Emily team (7:17)? Shouldn't be the opposite since she is getting the furina buff?
Remember that those graphics are proportional to the total dmg of the team. With furina XL does more dmg, but in comparison furina and kinich also do more team dmg, so the dmg is distributed. With kirara the only one doing relevant dmg is kinich, so xiangling dmg seems bigger in PROPORTION of the team dmg.
@@bevanthejevan1915 I agree, but you also have to consider the starting point. Earthsaker is 23% worse than Sig, but Sig is 30% better than Earthshaker.
I don't know if this is the rotation that TGS used, but is the one that have more dps in my test. Furina skill, burst, bennet skill and burst, xiangling burst skill, kinich on field...
Can we use c6 Candace for a burgeon team? Since she doesn't have a lot of hydro app and won't ruin the burning aura in these team, and she's a good deepwood user in Kinich Candace Toma/Denya Emelie team I suppose
You cannot use C6 Candace with Kinich. He will not get infusion from her. And he deals skill damage, not normal attack damage, so he can't even trigger it.
@@woodykusaki9970 🤣🤣🤣 after knowing this , now everyone knows who suck in game, brother i don't know, how you play cheveruse!!! , she is among the most broken 4 star character in game.
@@SlimeImpact. I don't play cheveruse. both her design, kit and aesthetics sucks so I avoid her at all cost. Also, I can dish out more damage than you in a non-optimal team so skill-wise, I say I'm better.
Al haitham - easy to use (with mirror management) Kinich - fun but clunky specially against enemies that move often (which is most enemies) and painfully single target
Alhaitham is one of the more mechanically intensive characters, no? As far as Genshin difficulty goes. I would say Tighnari is the simplest dendro dps.
Maintaining his 3 mirrors and chasing enemies in the abyss like a mad dog is very easy 😂. God dam. He hits hard. But it's hard. Well yeah I have skill issues 🤷
@@NonamE-0256 the only time you would chase enemies is if new ones appear ... And if that's the case rather than chasing with him trying to maintin his mirrors you want to start the rotation again lol
@@Indian_gae_boii yeah it's really annoying sometimes. Dude idk if u had that problem. Something his atks don't connect 😂. His sword is too short to hit them. U know what I meant
i run her in HP/HP/Healing bonus, so she can heal her self and i don't have to waste bennet uptime in healing her. As long as she is using deepwood, the mains stats are not that important.
Question. Is his dps being dragged down by xiangling’s 20 second cooldown? In a world where she’s replaced with the pyro archon with 100% uptime on pyro application (assuming archon privileges) and can use the Nathan set, does using mauv and dropping to an 18 second rotation significantly improve his team dps? Ignoring any buff she’ll likely have.
Probably somewhat. XL isn’t vaping so it’s not like her damage is at its max to begin with, so for an archon’s power budget, either they’re going to be a crazy subdps if they aren’t much of a buffer, or a decent subdps with crazy buffs, either way likely doing a lot more than XL in these teams.
With the pretty sad character lineup I have, the best team I can think of for Kinich is Bennett, Thoma/Xiangling, and Kazuha. Kazuha isn't the BEST, but being able to Swirl Pyro will help him a bit in AOE, and VV set's shred would also at least be nice.
With those characters you should just use Bennet, Thoma and Xiangling. Thoma should use Deepwood to buff Kinich more. Xiangling will do good damage and her energy requirement won’t be high in a triple Pyro team.
@@deadencicle Thank you for the tips. Character team comp crafting is something I'm really bad at so I always appreciate it when someone steers me in the right direction.
I want him so bad but sadly i have no unit to pair him with. Im just gonna go for c2 raiden for now. Im sure he’ll get a rerun soon. I need to get nahida too
im sitting on 230 wishes with 30 pity and its a 50/50 still,should i try for his weapon? i have alhaitham and lyney and would swap lyney,but i also need to get nahida,zhong li and try for neuvilette in the future since its so broken,but i like kinich a lot and would want a team around him without any 5star girls except nahida since its a kid and yea kinda a big thing for alhaitham
I would probably wait and see how well he plays with F2P or other weapons. I would also keep in mind Neuvillete and his weapon/C1. His weapon was too high of a dmg boost for me to not get, and his c1 felt needed to me so I didn't need a shield. Good luck on your pulls.
@@Gutheck well from what I've seen the weapon gives about a 30% dmg increase compared tp the r5 f2p one, and im not too big of a fan of neuvilette so im not gonna be getting anything like his weapon since the bp one or a f2p still works very well
burning unless you run Furina "burgeon" as you get very little burgeons in her variant and it's still very very strong (basically the same performance as emillie burning)
Also it’s easier to play Emilie with kinich, cus you have constant burning, so you can get 7 nightsoul points every 0.8 secs, in furina teams on the other hand, the burgeon is not consistent especially when using Thoma, you can use Xiangling but she must have at least upwards of 250+ er to not be a pain in the ass to play and even at that she makes the rotation longer because of her burst cooldown all in all, Emilie is the premium option to optimize kinich’s teams but as with every other dps, kinich has other options that would still make him feel good to play meta wise
@@azureaurelia5381 Yes, but Alhaitham does those numbers in AOE while Kinich is ST locked. Comparing them really doesn't do much since they use completely different team archetypes. In practice one will perform better than the other depending on what content you are facing. Comparisons between Tighnari vs Kinich or Alhaitham vs Tighnari are probably a bit more appropriate as that way the units you are comparing at least have something in common.
to summerize. pull him if a) you like his style/look/gameplay b) you have Emilie otherwise skip. having played a lot of mualani since natlan release i can say the following. natlan has a major problem. it's gimic is too dependent in nightsoul, and as a result outside of natlan your natlan characters are out of gas and feel really bad. it really hit home trying mualani in the abyss how situational natlan characters are. even with that massive 60% nightsoul boost this abyss, mualani was way too restricted by her nightsoul to work properly. after testing out kinich i see the same problems down the road. he's got a fun mechanic and he's fun to play, but the nightsoul reliance is just... a major gimp outside of natlin, and in a few months when we leave the region you're going to hear a lot of complaining about how all the natlin characters (or atleast the 3 released thus far) are so bad outside of natlan. furthermore he takes the uncertainty of mualani and dials it up to 11, without emilie his dps fluxuates wildly. I hope this isn't true with later characters released, but it does make me worry a bit.
Dude, your sm7b is cliping, please reduse gain a little bit😢Нou can increase the volume of the audio track, probably in any audio editor. Exactly, shure sm7b is very demanding when it comes to amplifiers, you probably paid for it, but didn’t buy a preamplifier. You need either a preamplifier or some kind of microphone with lower signal amplification requirements. Well, yes, or you need an audio interface that can amplify the signal by 60 decibels. But the video is cool
I no longer follow Genshin and read about new characters before hand so please help me. Team 1: I have Al Hitham, c2 Nahida, c6 Fischl and they have been destroying everything since I got them. *Team 2: the water archeon c2 so who is better Kinich or the coming fire archon to pair with her?* Side notice: When I pair her with Hutao , Yelan, the 5 stars green girl that creates plunge field, Bennet, Xingling and Kazuha, they easly 36 the abyss no matter which 3 characters I pair with her so I just want to know who is going to be my final 5 to pull for to pair with her Kinich or the fire Archon?
As always, thank you for the visual guides and making it easier to digest. I got impulsive and got Kinich;s weapon with my remaining 80 saved primos which was supposed to go on Xilonen. But thanks to your visual guides, I kinda don't regret getting how MASSIVE the increase in damage from F2P was. Thank you and keep up the good work.
The worst part about him is that he is just like mualani, a top tier unit on paper, able to compete with the best of his element (Neuvillette for mualani and alhaitam for him) But in practice, his kit is both extremely restrictive in what kind of teams you have to use (you kinda HAVE to use emillie and burning if you want to use him to his full potential) and really clunky if you are unlucky with the enemies you are fighting or the environment you are fighting them in It kinda reminds me of lyney, another x.0 character with extremely high damage ceiling bur clunky and restrictive gameplay
Ironically, in practice, mualani is actually the restrictive and clunky one. It's only speedruns with stationary targets and tens of retries where she shines above the other dps's.
Unfortunately, Kinich is better than Alhaitam for now. I got him at C2 R1 While my Alhaitham is currently at C4 R2 And i can say that Kinich (Abyss wise) is better 😞
I have both as well and i honestly think kinich is far stronger when it comes to hyper investment especially with cons and signature since Al's are dogs**t. Cause kinuch scales better with cons and signature. If both are at c0 i think Al takes the cake slightly since he feels more versatile except for burning and does better in AoE than Kinich. But we'll have to wait and see when the archon comes out and this abyss wise he's better since the abyss at the time and still is now favors the Nightsoul blessing.
It depends on your account. Xilonen is a buff manly for navia, itto, raiden hypercarry, neuvillette, mualani and arlechino. In my account she is not better than just use my kazuha, but maybe for you is worth (xilonen dosent buff kinich)
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question. should i get raiden or save for xilonen and nahida, (note : i have kazuha cyno alhaitam) great video btw
Uncle Z coming through clutch Suske
@@uchihayouness7915 Save for Xilonen/Nahida, tbh. You have enough DPS characters and could use more supports.
So glad kinich is on chevy's banner
It's funny you say that cuz usually its the other way around. Ppl say chevy is on Kinich's banner
@@peterparker1262that's the joke
@@shironeko6164 I know XD
What 😂
Cheveruse sucks. I'm skipping his banner because she occupied a slot which should have been another 4 star.
You are easily the best Genshin youtuber out there. The way you expain and put data on the screen to make the video more organized and better in general is so unique. I've being watching your videos since your Alhaitham guide and I don't intend to stop. Absolute GOAT.
He also does his own tc as well, him and jstern deserve more recognition
At this point his team is generally competitive with Alhaitham
But in the future patches getting Mavuika and 1 more supportive Pyro Character (Pyro traveler copium as a 5 star Bennet for example). He would be kinda insane with his passive 2 Nightsoul burst taken into consideration.
nah, hyperbloom is aoe and kinich is mostly single target.Dont think burning/burgeon compete against hyperbloom tbh. But lets seeaybe in future they change it.
@@SRIHARIS-zi1ng His best team has Emilie who could easily kill all the small AOE creeps...
I have tested. That team doesn't struggle with large amount of enemies at all
Kinich, Emilie, Dehya, Bennet
alhaitham and nahida himself both have decent aoe, not hyperbloom itself
@@Onion_wavy Well I'm pretty sure Kinich team mates also have good AOE 🙄🙄
Like do we only play him Solo ???
Only looking at character weakness when we have a team of 4 not 1...
Just like saying Neuvillette can't Nuke screenshot dmg like Mualani 🙄
@@chihaotran1568 But hyperbloom is still the best reaction ig.
Alhaitham,nahida paired with furina and kuki/fischel. Also with nilou which takes it to another lvl.
so what im getting is he's waiting for the pyro archon to come out to unleash his full potential and even without her he is already pretty solid
He seems a near top tier dps before even getting his archon support. His Cons are also busted. Even his “crappy” C4-C5 are there to adjust his burst to have some use relative to his increased damage from his other cons.
The fact that his C6 can bounce off the same enemy changes the game because it’s a Xiao style mega constellation but without the restrictions.
Mihoyo made him the weakest Natlan character though because he's a male character.
@@woodykusaki9970 Please go look at Neuvilette's usage rate.
@@woodykusaki9970 how is he the weakest one when:
1. Kachina exists
2. There is literally only 2 limited chars so far
@@woodykusaki9970how tf are you he is weak when he got good supports like Emilie Xiangling Xingqiu Bennett. Upon that we have only two characters so far Kachina who is not that useful and Mualani who is a Nuke dps rather than constant damage. Kinch is constant damage with skill and his burst and good scalings
Context clues tells me he is only referring to limited 5☆ and he is talking about him, Mualani, and Xilonen. @@irinapanova7577
The great part is that I can run both of them on different sides without having to worry about them fighting over the same supports.
true and real, my only problem is sharing Furina lol
Remember boys, you should only pull him if you like him. Or if you like Naruto. Or if you like "I am the bone of my sword" young version
So I don't pull for him then. Good to know
@@ubelmensch why would you even pull for a character you dont like
@@LeoAlex07 meta huggers. They will pull characters just because the character is meta or overpowered not because they actually like them or enjoy playing them
I wanted him but he sucks for exploration outside of Natlan.. so he’s basically useless
@@ubelmensch i mean, he has good damage, but tbh if you're like me you have so many dps units it's useless to pull for him just for damage. However, if you're a new player he's pretty strong
He seems like a character if u like him u will have a gd time playing him as how fun he is, gameplay wise.
As always I watch 6 guides and yours is the only one that really hits the mark. Only one other content creator really addressed why his burst is so important and you did the best job of explaining both why and how to build around that.
Kinich is coming and so am I
H-Huh..?😳
(Same tbh)
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I'm actually OK with Kinich having a high Base Atk, low Crit weapon. He's getting 40% from Obsidian and 5% from the baseline of all characters. That's 56% with his weapon. Not too hard to get that up to 70% with just substats, and very easy to overcap if you get too much crit if the weapon were to be a higher amount of crit.
Right, artifact batchesting 🤣natlan exclusive meta be like
The high base attack also scales very well with Bennett, and works well with his set DMG bonus. 😊
but imagine crit damage : (
@@stylerxo3654 what do you mean by a high base attack scaling well with bennet...?
well yes of course - the set give the required crit rate instead...
@@nyuuh higher base stat works better with Bennett's buff. The issue with diluting attack buffs comes from oversaturation of Attack %, but that's not base attack.
i watched 30+ mins guide on him and still didn't understand his kit, your explanation was quick to the point and very clear i finally know how his kit functions lol. thanks, you're the goat.
Range plus fast attacks with auto target is a big thing, it makes everything so much more consistent and easier. You just keep doing damage, no time wasted running around or changing target for the next wave.
Wanderer made me understand how valuable this is and since I got him I don’t like playing any melee character unless they have immense damage.
GUYS KINICH IS COMING!
ME TOO!!!!!!
Best part of the video : you can use both of them in abyss
You can but double dendro? I don't think so.
Plus mihoyo made Kinich the worst Natlan character in both DPS and mobility. No reason to pull for him.
@@woodykusaki9970 both halfs 🤦
@@woodykusaki9970 how is Spiderman the worst mobility player may I ask?
@@woodykusaki9970 ah yes the worst Natlan char out of two
@@dominickjadon Kinich only has 2 hooks inside Natlan and 1 hook outside Natlan. Basically, no better than the plant saurian. They didn't give him the meta to make up for it. I mean look at other Natlan characters, mihoyo made them improvements of their respective saurians.
As C0R1 Emilie owner, i am so excited for Kinich and Mavuika team combs😍😍😍😍😍😍
i knew that, emilie wll be so good with natlan characters in future😍😍😍😍😍
Sweet we did the same thing. I'm gonna get him and his weapon next. I wish you luck on your pulls
@@An1metrev1n thanks mate... ❤️... I wish you good luck for your pulls too.... ❤️
it was a great decision to believe in emilie while in her banner, another kokomi situation regarding with her burning kit, I'm glad i pulled for her too
What about future Xilonen ?
@@exploreevery yeah... She is coming home 🏡😊😊
great guide as always man!! i love watching so many different guide makers but i always really appreciate how your vids are always very concise without too much extra fluff 🙌 imo it makes it easier to come back to if i need a refresher on something while building a particular character!
oh and also i just wanted to point out that it seems like Ajaw is actually pronounced “Ah-how” so just something to keep in mind for any future vids!! 💕
I love Kinich so much, his design, Ajaw, his kit, his animations. A sure C2R1 for me ! Thanks for the guide :D
Thank you TGS! I’m excited to pull for him tomorrow. I always appreciate your videos!
kinich is coming and so am i. hello everybody
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@@hazooey ah shit, beat me to commenting this
hello
@@anshnanavati lmaoo quite interesting how your comment is just below this comment
I love you hazooey
Why play Alhaitham or Kinich when you can play Alhaitham and Kinich.
True
Why play either when you can play Kaveh?
...nevermind
@@Макар7886 I would if he get the rerun
@@bem3760he did recently.
@@Макар7886 who?
Rn, I think Alhaitham is a bit better in F2P investment level but thing can change with more Natlan characters.
but with vertical investment, Kinich can surpass him even with low vertical investment bc of how much better his C1, compare to Alhaitham's. With more investment Kinich would widen this gap further bc Alhaitham's Cs are a lot impressive.
You don't pull Alhaitham cons, you pull Nahida c2 and improve the entire team's dendro reactions. Aoe and bossess taken care of
@@tdof7217 that's true but at the same time, Emillie'C would also improve Kinich team damage too(not as versatile as Nahida tho.)
Edit: Also, I'm not sure Nahida C2 is as big of a jump for Alhaitham team as Kinich C0-C2 tho.
@@cardnacn6704nahida C2 have around the same impact in alhaithams teams than Emilie C2 or kinich C2.
Nahida C2 giving 30% def red for all alhaitham and Nahida Dmg and the around 20% dmg increase to all the hyperblooms is massive.
@@cleod7439 So, after 2 total constellations from either Kinich or Emilie, Kinich's burning team would surpass Alhaitham's hyperbloomteam at equal amount of investment?
@@cleod7439Kinich c2 gave around 60% personal dps increase, so around 35%-50% dmg increase depends on his team.
i pulled emilie just for him but now i really enjoy playing emilie so its a win win i guess
On April Fools' he should totally play one of those husbando games and start the video with "GIRLS!"
I noticed characters from Natlan revolves around dealing screenshot damage😂
0:00 GUYS🗣🔥
KINICH IS CUMING
I feel like we never really talk about Emilie’s constellations, Emilie at c2 would bring out almost similar result to a c2 furina, cus at c1, emilie deals more damage because her passive procs every two secs instead of 4 secs at c0, at c1, she also has a 20% damage increase for her skill and passive and at c2, she offers dendro res shred up to 30%, at that point, she can be on reverie and there doesn’t have to be a deepwood holder on the team, allowing other teammates use artifacts like totm to buff kinich damage
At c2, Emilie deals more raw damage than any sub dps in the game, dealing as much damage as kinich himself
Also kinich having his burst increases his nightsoul blessing state by 1.7 seconds so you kinda need him to burst every rotation, and the damage on the burst tho not much is equal to a single canonshot multiplier and it’s aoe, so it’s still good to have every rotation cus all damage is damage
Conclusion, kinich and Emilie is a duo, as furina and neuvillette or Bennet and Xiangling are
Wonder how much er he would need
Sure but who is even willing to pull for Emilie and even her c2?
If you like her that's totally fine ,more power to you
but Emilie is the definition of a filler character, both in gameplay , design and story, last time we got this irrelevant of a character was with chiori in the 4.5 (arguably the most dry patch in genshin's history)
@@kian-ganji4.5 isn’t dry lol try some of the patches post 1.2. I remember those were actually dry. I think the only one that wasn’t dry was when Azdaha was added in 1.5. I guess 1.6 wasn’t dry since summer event.
Uh so I guess 1.4 was the driest.
@@kian-ganji that’s your opinion. I got her because I liked her design and play style. Dendro is my favourite element and she plays different from other Dendro characters (doesn’t rely on elemental mastery and wants to use burning)
I pulled her weapon because the banner was good and got lucky ending with both weapons in the same ten pull.
I don’t really care what the character does in the story because I started in 4.1 and pulled for characters before meeting them in the Archon quest. The only character I ended not pulling because of the story is Raiden shogun.
I pull based on gameplay and first impressions. When they showed her and Kinich I knew I was getting them both before even knowing what they did.
Emilie is just a sub dps. A c2 Furina is not only the BEST BUFFER in the game, but she becomes one of the strongest sub-dps with how she boosts her own summons’ damage. Now add her with a Kinich+Pyro unit and watch Furina’s pets Nuke enemies when they Vape.
Furina is so cracked as a unit. C2 Furina just makes the game laughable. And make any dps unit Viable in abyss. Something C2 Emilie definitely cannot.
I would have definitely gone for him but I need Xilonen and Nahida more ;-; hopefully he won't get the Wriothesley treatment and vanish
Many new characters will get the Wriothesley treatment I'm afraid. More units will be released, yet at the same time there are older characters who've gone missing and are also waiting for a rerun for a year or more
Depends if his sales are trash then he will get wriothles treatment
Just a thought here. Kinich with obsidian codex, dori or yaoyao on deep wood with role serving as battery and healer, Fischl or raiden for sub dps on golden troupe, Thomas or Bennett on scroll of the hero of cinder city. Would therefore be quick over burn team. Where dendro resonance would give some elemental mastery for some damage increase, or electro resonance for energy. Overload would consistently cause burn and periodic electro and dendro would quicken. Buffs include Dori for energy and heal, deep wood debuff, obsidian for crit, full team damage buff from scroll of hero, and finally Bennett buff (if used instead of Thomas).
Cant wait to pull for the queen Chevreuse 🗣️🗣️
3:32 I think there is a problem here...for nightsoul burst to happen, any team member can deal elemental damage if a Natlan member is present in the team...it is not that only Natlan character can trigger nightsoul burst...anyone can trigger it provided there is a Natlan character present in team
How good is the battle pass talking stick for him?gives crit second stat and It seems like he was meant to run it as it gives atk% when u have a pyro aura on you which can be done by being in benet field or you hung a burning enemy. Idk about the damage bonus part as u need to be affected by a non pyro element. Idk if burning also applies dendro to you but if it does it could be pretty good
Time to get my first Cheuve copy and maybe i get Kinichi early as a bonus
Doesn't night soul burst active by any character as long as a natlan character is in their party? Natlan characters don't have to be the one dealing damage
But more the number of natlan chars the lesser the cd for this mechanic which does give a huge damage difference if considered at max vs at 1
I noticed a lot of the 5 stars in each archon area caters to the archon element
question
Why does xiangling deal less dmg in furina team (8:22) than Emily team (7:17)? Shouldn't be the opposite since she is getting the furina buff?
Remember that those graphics are proportional to the total dmg of the team.
With furina XL does more dmg, but in comparison furina and kinich also do more team dmg, so the dmg is distributed.
With kirara the only one doing relevant dmg is kinich, so xiangling dmg seems bigger in PROPORTION of the team dmg.
11:04 isn't the F2P option only 23% worse than Kinich's signature? not 30%?
Yes, but math is hard sometimes.
100/77=~129.8% so that is where the 30% come from
@@alexiet4933 That only means his Sig is 30% better, but Earthshaker is still 23% worse than his Sig
23 percentage point increase/decrease is not the same as 23% increase/decrease
@@bevanthejevan1915 I agree, but you also have to consider the starting point. Earthsaker is 23% worse than Sig, but Sig is 30% better than Earthshaker.
What's the intro music?
Feels nostalgic
[EDIT :]
FEELS LIKE RAYMAN ON PS1
True
+1 for the Rayman enjoyer
Dont compare this kid spider with my GOATHAITHAM
May I ask which website you used for your reference in the video?
What is the rotation for furina kinich burn team? 8:12 8:33 emilie is in the furina team rotation.
I don't know if this is the rotation that TGS used, but is the one that have more dps in my test.
Furina skill, burst, bennet skill and burst, xiangling burst skill, kinich on field...
I prefer the shortening "rota" for rotation as rot is already a word on its own.
off topic question, do you still play wuwa or plan to post videos on your second channel?
Can we use c6 Candace for a burgeon team? Since she doesn't have a lot of hydro app and won't ruin the burning aura in these team, and she's a good deepwood user in Kinich Candace Toma/Denya Emelie team I suppose
Depends on enemy space, like xiangling
Doesn't she proc on NA damage, not NA animations?
You cannot use C6 Candace with Kinich. He will not get infusion from her.
And he deals skill damage, not normal attack damage, so he can't even trigger it.
I had a nightmare that I wasted all my 360 wishes on Kinich’s banner trying to get C6 chevvy 😅
You mean c1 Chevy?
Cheveruse sucks so she's easy skip for me. I'm so pissed she ruined my 10 pull pity on standard banner.
@@woodykusaki9970 🤣🤣🤣 after knowing this , now everyone knows who suck in game,
brother i don't know, how you play cheveruse!!! , she is among the most broken 4 star character in game.
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@@SlimeImpact. I don't play cheveruse. both her design, kit and aesthetics sucks so I avoid her at all cost. Also, I can dish out more damage than you in a non-optimal team so skill-wise, I say I'm better.
8:43 How is it compared to Emilie’s early constellations as well? (i pulled for them lmfao)
Al haitham - easy to use (with mirror management)
Kinich - fun but clunky specially against enemies that move often (which is most enemies) and painfully single target
Alhaitham is one of the more mechanically intensive characters, no? As far as Genshin difficulty goes. I would say Tighnari is the simplest dendro dps.
Maintaining his 3 mirrors and chasing enemies in the abyss like a mad dog is very easy 😂. God dam. He hits hard. But it's hard. Well yeah I have skill issues 🤷
@@petrueshhka is maintaing 3 mirrors on him really that hard I don't think so I've never had any problems with him
@@NonamE-0256 the only time you would chase enemies is if new ones appear ... And if that's the case rather than chasing with him trying to maintin his mirrors you want to start the rotation again lol
@@Indian_gae_boii yeah it's really annoying sometimes. Dude idk if u had that problem. Something his atks don't connect 😂. His sword is too short to hit them. U know what I meant
I have a question mr.TGS. Do you have a prerecorded “Guys” sound bite ready or you record a new one every video?
Serious question though.
New one
in a kinich, furina, bennett, dehya team, would you recommend going for more hp or more em on dehya?
i run her in HP/HP/Healing bonus, so she can heal her self and i don't have to waste bennet uptime in healing her.
As long as she is using deepwood, the mains stats are not that important.
I can imagine this team would be busted depends of what Mavuika can do: Kinich, Xilo, Emilie and Mavuika.
Xilonen doesn't buff dendro, why would you use her there
@@irinapanova7577Yeah, instead of xilo Benny/dehya/another support holding deepwood would be the go to ig
Yeah a second Pyro would be better since the resonance is gonna buff Kinich, Emilie and most likely Mavuika too.
I have Raiden C2 and I want Kinich so I’m going for weapon banner as well good luck all!
Question. Is his dps being dragged down by xiangling’s 20 second cooldown?
In a world where she’s replaced with the pyro archon with 100% uptime on pyro application (assuming archon privileges) and can use the Nathan set, does using mauv and dropping to an 18 second rotation significantly improve his team dps?
Ignoring any buff she’ll likely have.
Probably somewhat. XL isn’t vaping so it’s not like her damage is at its max to begin with, so for an archon’s power budget, either they’re going to be a crazy subdps if they aren’t much of a buffer, or a decent subdps with crazy buffs, either way likely doing a lot more than XL in these teams.
With the pretty sad character lineup I have, the best team I can think of for Kinich is Bennett, Thoma/Xiangling, and Kazuha. Kazuha isn't the BEST, but being able to Swirl Pyro will help him a bit in AOE, and VV set's shred would also at least be nice.
With those characters you should just use Bennet, Thoma and Xiangling.
Thoma should use Deepwood to buff Kinich more. Xiangling will do good damage and her energy requirement won’t be high in a triple Pyro team.
@@deadencicle Thank you for the tips. Character team comp crafting is something I'm really bad at so I always appreciate it when someone steers me in the right direction.
Basically if you dont have the signature weapon he's not that good
between Serpent Spine R3 VS Redhorn, who would be better? and does furina skill hp drain prevents serpent spine from gain stacks?
Serpent spine R3 is a bit better, and nope, furina hp drain dosent prevent the serpent spine to gain stacks
Better than anyone. When in natlan
Do you think I can ditch Deepwod Memories on C2 Dehya for Tenacity of the Millelith?
Only if someone else is using DW. Even then she's usually the best one to use it cuz she can proc it easily.
I want him so bad but sadly i have no unit to pair him with. Im just gonna go for c2 raiden for now. Im sure he’ll get a rerun soon. I need to get nahida too
Ciao, secondo te in un team con Raiden C0R1 kazuha, bennett e xilonen si potrebbe arrivare al danno di raiden C2 in un classico hypercarry?
What about Baizhu as a teammate for him? Doesn't Baizhu increase burning/burgeon damage too?
Yeah but kinich doesn't do burning or burgeon dmg. Baizhu is a good option for teams with furina.
I have R5 Serpent Spine, R1 Verdict and the new craftable weapon
Im guessing its better to get his C1 than Signature right?
Yep
i have a nice lavawalker set for him and can manage 2pc2pc whats better?
i aint farming any more domains man
2pc 2pc should be better, but use what ever you have mainwhile and go for the obsidian artifact set
@@cleod7439naaaah, again, I ain’t farming no new sets
They keep making chars that need specific reaction to fully function and then they created a IMAGINARIUM THEATRE,😑
im sitting on 230 wishes with 30 pity and its a 50/50 still,should i try for his weapon? i have alhaitham and lyney and would swap lyney,but i also need to get nahida,zhong li and try for neuvilette in the future since its so broken,but i like kinich a lot and would want a team around him without any 5star girls except nahida since its a kid and yea kinda a big thing for alhaitham
I would probably wait and see how well he plays with F2P or other weapons. I would also keep in mind Neuvillete and his weapon/C1. His weapon was too high of a dmg boost for me to not get, and his c1 felt needed to me so I didn't need a shield. Good luck on your pulls.
@@Gutheck well from what I've seen the weapon gives about a 30% dmg increase compared tp the r5 f2p one, and im not too big of a fan of neuvilette so im not gonna be getting anything like his weapon since the bp one or a f2p still works very well
How much is 20% DMG increase in practice? I don’t think I’ll get his weapon. I already have redhorn as a stat stick.
Is like use a neuvillette team with or without furina.
Or use an alhaitham team with or without nahida.
Or use a navia team without bennet.
How does r5 earth shacker compare to wgs?
i have 1 question that i havent seen an answer to.
Is burning or burgeon better for kinich?
Burning by a mile
Burning
burning unless you run Furina "burgeon" as you get very little burgeons in her variant and it's still very very strong (basically the same performance as emillie burning)
@@irinapanova7577With Thoma you'll get like 4 Burgeons a rotation.
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Yelan a good teammate for Kinich Burgeon?
Is a good teammate, but yelan doesn't proc almost any seed
Also it’s easier to play Emilie with kinich, cus you have constant burning, so you can get 7 nightsoul points every 0.8 secs, in furina teams on the other hand, the burgeon is not consistent especially when using Thoma, you can use Xiangling but she must have at least upwards of 250+ er to not be a pain in the ass to play and even at that she makes the rotation longer because of her burst cooldown all in all, Emilie is the premium option to optimize kinich’s teams but as with every other dps, kinich has other options that would still make him feel good to play meta wise
Saving for Xilonen and Mavuika and I'll nab him on a rerun
I wonder how Kinich, Alhaitam and Tighnari compare, like I know Tighnari is worse than both but I wonder how much in damage
Tighnari in C6 is a monster that shreds boses in seconds tho
@@feeldbadman C0 mate, C6 doesn't matter to normal players
Based on TGS numbers. Alhaithaim does 66.5k and Kinich does over 74k.
@@azureaurelia5381 Yes, but Alhaitham does those numbers in AOE while Kinich is ST locked. Comparing them really doesn't do much since they use completely different team archetypes. In practice one will perform better than the other depending on what content you are facing. Comparisons between Tighnari vs Kinich or Alhaitham vs Tighnari are probably a bit more appropriate as that way the units you are comparing at least have something in common.
@@irinapanova7577 The majority of Hyper bloom's damage is ST stop the cope.
to summerize. pull him if
a) you like his style/look/gameplay
b) you have Emilie
otherwise skip.
having played a lot of mualani since natlan release i can say the following. natlan has a major problem. it's gimic is too dependent in nightsoul, and as a result outside of natlan your natlan characters are out of gas and feel really bad. it really hit home trying mualani in the abyss how situational natlan characters are. even with that massive 60% nightsoul boost this abyss, mualani was way too restricted by her nightsoul to work properly.
after testing out kinich i see the same problems down the road. he's got a fun mechanic and he's fun to play, but the nightsoul reliance is just... a major gimp outside of natlin, and in a few months when we leave the region you're going to hear a lot of complaining about how all the natlin characters (or atleast the 3 released thus far) are so bad outside of natlan. furthermore he takes the uncertainty of mualani and dials it up to 11, without emilie his dps fluxuates wildly.
I hope this isn't true with later characters released, but it does make me worry a bit.
I guess still Deepwood as it is abundant in my account, and I am too lazy to switch artifacts.
Dude, your sm7b is cliping, please reduse gain a little bit😢Нou can increase the volume of the audio track, probably in any audio editor. Exactly, shure sm7b is very demanding when it comes to amplifiers, you probably paid for it, but didn’t buy a preamplifier. You need either a preamplifier or some kind of microphone with lower signal amplification requirements. Well, yes, or you need an audio interface that can amplify the signal by 60 decibels. But the video is cool
They have different teams and preferred reactions come on 😭
I no longer follow Genshin and read about new characters before hand so please help me.
Team 1: I have Al Hitham, c2 Nahida, c6 Fischl and they have been destroying everything since I got them.
*Team 2: the water archeon c2 so who is better Kinich or the coming fire archon to pair with her?*
Side notice: When I pair her with Hutao , Yelan, the 5 stars green girl that creates plunge field, Bennet, Xingling and Kazuha, they easly 36 the abyss no matter which 3 characters I pair with her so I just want to know who is going to be my final 5 to pull for to pair with her Kinich or the fire Archon?
I feel like if u pull for Kinich u have plenty of time to get enough primogems for Mavuika, if she is still coming in 5.3.
As always, thank you for the visual guides and making it easier to digest. I got impulsive and got Kinich;s weapon with my remaining 80 saved primos which was supposed to go on Xilonen. But thanks to your visual guides, I kinda don't regret getting how MASSIVE the increase in damage from F2P was. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Well update …. He is now c6 😂
Can someone tell if Wolf's gravestone will be better than Natlan craftable greatsword
Worse
Guys Kinich is coming....lmao
earth shatter or SS?
What about Yelan instead of furina?
Worse, but works
Ugh farming the artifacts for him and RNG has been ass....
The worst part about him is that he is just like mualani, a top tier unit on paper, able to compete with the best of his element (Neuvillette for mualani and alhaitam for him)
But in practice, his kit is both extremely restrictive in what kind of teams you have to use (you kinda HAVE to use emillie and burning if you want to use him to his full potential) and really clunky
if you are unlucky with the enemies you are fighting or the environment you are fighting them in
It kinda reminds me of lyney, another x.0 character with extremely high damage ceiling bur clunky and restrictive gameplay
Well not really, you don't have to use emilie or burning. You could just do furina burgeon which basically matches emilie burning dps.
Ironically, in practice, mualani is actually the restrictive and clunky one. It's only speedruns with stationary targets and tens of retries where she shines above the other dps's.
I like how everyone think kinich need emilie lol
Should I pull kinich or lyney? I’m deciding between both of them
Wait Furinas team and Emilie's team deal basically the same damage, is Emilie just useless if you have Furina?
Furina is just broken bro wtf
Technically Emilie have significant more personal dmg, but furina buff to kinich makes up for that
You could've put Klee on the banner and I'm still pulling for cheuv
I was also going to use Kinich Xiangling Bennett and Kirara as I don’t have Emilie. Looking forward to wishing for him soon 🙏
I have emilie but confused between kinich and raiden
can anyone time stamp GUYS, cuz I can't find it in the video
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@@skyhart9926 thanks man
Unfortunately, Kinich is better than Alhaitam for now. I got him at C2 R1
While my Alhaitham is currently at C4 R2
And i can say that Kinich (Abyss wise) is better 😞
I have both as well and i honestly think kinich is far stronger when it comes to hyper investment especially with cons and signature since Al's are dogs**t. Cause kinuch scales better with cons and signature. If both are at c0 i think Al takes the cake slightly since he feels more versatile except for burning and does better in AoE than Kinich. But we'll have to wait and see when the archon comes out and this abyss wise he's better since the abyss at the time and still is now favors the Nightsoul blessing.
bro said better than al haitham 💀
23% is closer to 20 than 30 😅
For me having to pair with Emilie is an absolute killer, I was hoping I could go around it but she appears to be his best team mate right now...
Furina is as good as she with kinich, he doesn't "need" Emilie
Is it fine guyz if I pull him and then not get xilonen?💀
It depends on your account. Xilonen is a buff manly for navia, itto, raiden hypercarry, neuvillette, mualani and arlechino.
In my account she is not better than just use my kazuha, but maybe for you is worth (xilonen dosent buff kinich)
Clickbait… but it worked ❤
I do not like his playstyle. It is too complicated for me when I tried it in his trial yesterday. So I will wait for Xilonen (and Chiori) in 5.1.
Thanks a lot, very clear and as objective as one can be. The comparison with Alhaitham is very interesting .
Where the hell are the guys time stamps I’m lost
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