GNU Negotiations | Steenhuisen, Ramaphosa to meet again for talks: Mzwandile Mbeje
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- DA leader John Steenhuisen is expected to meet with President Cyril Ramaphosa this afternoon .
This comes after the DA's Federal Executive met last night over talks ahead of the formation of the seventh administration.
This took place amid seemingly no progress towards the Government of National Unity (GNU) process, amid disputes over cabinet posts.
Negotiations saw the DA receive an offer of six Ministerial portfolios, however, it appears that a disagreement emerged between the two parties over the Trade and Industry portfolio.
A scathing letter to Steenhuisen, penned by President Cyril Ramaphosa, revealed that these demands would not be acceded to.
Meanwhile, the nation continues to look on in anticipation of the President's announcement of his executive. This is a developing story.
For more on this by SABC News Political Editor Mzwandile Mbeje.
For more news, visit sabcnews.com and #SABCNews on all Social Media platforms.
So the ANC still want to cling to power, they are not willing to consider things that will benefit the citizens of SA? So much for listening to the vote of the people then?
DTI was dead for 15 yrs under Ebrahim Patel and now they want to keep it. DTI was non existent. ANC you were warned. The DA must not let this go. The ANC have failed for 30 yrs.
Don't include people's vote in this confusion.Do you honestly think that this is the real reflection of 2024 results?
It would be wonderful if Ramaphosa could for once honour his word. We need him to be more honest and transparent. This is not about white or black. This is about the people of South Africa. It is about time the politicians start forgetting about what they can get out of the deal a d think what is best for our country. Why are they making it a racial thing now?
You must be fast asleep 😴😴😴
Because DA has KKK mentality, we see it in the Western Cape.
Since Jacob, the ANC has only cared about the ANC to enrich themselves and nothing and nobody else...fact.
It's always been about race. 400 years of race. Nothings changed
Yes it is 😂😂
We voted for change.
this anc is taking us for fools. they have sold us out already but delaying it playing games
The ANC are used being the ruling party and making decisions as majority. The people and voters voted and now we as citizens want parties to be matured and make decisions to better our lives.
Trade and ind ...the unions?? In cahoots ? Etc. etc.
DA PLEAE NEVER BOW....WE VOTED FOR CHANGE PLEASE
Change also includes MKP, stop being an hypocrite
Shame on you for voting a party of the oppressor
DA must not compromise. This greedy corrupt Cadre ANC have failed. Eff and Mk waiting to eat the anc alive. The only people stopping the end of the anc is the DA
@@ayabulelanochiliza1965don’t promote ignorance. Mandela’s ANC did work the actual oppressor in government, DA did nothing to you
@@SA_PASFMKP has showed SA their corruption and the mess they have made for the past 30 years. We don't care color or race, we are sick of SA being a cesspool of corruption. Sies man just look how bad the country looks. People are poor and have no jobs while the fat cats sit in ministerial positions mismanaging SA.
This fiasco is sickening. Why can’t DA & ANC have a minister of T&I and a deputy that way it gives them both a share in one portfolio. Therefore no secrecy which this unreal debacle is playing out.
The DA can not decide at this point , they are other parties. It's the sense of the entitlement for me. They wanna slowly take us back to apartheid africans aren't stupid . Nit happening
Two unvoted parties occupying strategic position? South Africa...👏👏👏
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith.
If before a wedding ceremony a couple is fighting already, what will life looks like in years to come?
Yes but in a marriage is no voters
Because it is not a marriage. It is a partnership of rivalries.
@@thomasprogli3372 a marriage is a free agreement. And actually, in France there is an additional type of marriage similar to a partnership, PACS. It looks like ANC is the husband here 😂
@@pbdrs ANC is the husband and because polygamy is allowed, DA (lead by Zile) is among the multiple wives but she wants to kill her husband.
@@Les12archanges The focus of a marriage is the relationship while here it is just a vehicle. BIG difference.
Come on SA let's work together & build a better future for all of us ,we can do this ,we have the tools ,we are a great nation together 🙏🏼VIVA SA 🇿🇦✊🏽
The electorate gave this government a clear mandate. Representation in cabinet should be proportional to the number of NA seats in the GNU. Power must be shared equitably. Anything else would be undermining the people's will
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith.
the ANC is praying that the DA will walk away.. it will leave the ANC in a position where they continue to steal unabatedly for another 5 yearsbecause all the other parties are only there to loot and steal , meaning they will allow the ANC to trot along happily for another 5 years.
Exactly
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith.
Be patient, the cabinet will be announced soon. Other countries with coalitions of this type, took months to conclude multiparty negotiations. So SA, is only plus three weeks in these talks, before a cabinet is formed and announced.
Be patient and don't throw shade.❤
well if the gnu dissolves remember that Ramaphosa himself is not guaranteed to be president if the other 51% of of other parties decide well you know what- just lets move on and appoint xyz as President (if MK deals comes in Ramposer goes clear as day) the only way he stays is with DA and both ANC and DA know this - that is the pointy end of the stick finish and klaar the rest os all BS we don't actually need a single cabinet minister even if it takes 2 years to appoint one the DG's are actually the people that implement and could report directly to president so cabinet ministers are technically not even needed
Not necessarily. MKP & EFF would join him very fast
The other parties will never make the DA the president only FF something maybe? Everyone wants power .
@user-wt9fk3id8l exactly they are so self absorbed 😂
The DA spent a lot of post election time discrediting other political parties and anointing themselves as the only party that can save South Africa. I don't think that 51% is that easy.
Without the DA, the end of the anc will be quicker. CR will be gone by August if the DA walks away. That anc NEC are filled with looting criminals who have been eating for decades without accountability. The DA must not back down. Keep the pressure on for these ministries.
Ramaphosa is DA under ANC cover and unfortunately it's late for all these losers who will never win again
If you use the national election results (%), then DA would get 6 ministers. But under proportional representation you must add up the numbers (votes) of the GNU members to arrive at a new %....then calculate the ministers based on that, and that new % gives DA = 9 ministers. Calculate it and see.
Correct 9 for DA 18 for ANC, 2 for IFP, and one for PA.
The DA has more than half of the ANC's total vote count... The ANC must give DA at least their 1/3 of positions and deputy pres in the GNU. Proportional representation.
They didn't win the elections we know what their agenda. Apartheid not gonna work
Fu
Kom tot n punt julle.
Mzwandile Mbeje gives an honest analayst of the situation.
Or maybe if the DA walks away the whole goverment must be dissolved.
Well, Ramaphosa will turn to Malema to become his bit**.
No, no, no, Mzwandi and Nompu, the DA won't work away, they signed and agreement with the ANC and i don't think that President have powers to work alone without the DA, he need DA and other parties to form GNU, here we are talking about Power sharing not the majority rules, and no party has won the majority power.
This is what people must learn, the ANC did not get the majority and it is not in charge😂😂
If they had power they were gonna do more drama , the DA is hungry fir power. They cabt even wait
@@MzamoAdoons372thecDA fidnt either clever blacks
Give the D.A what we voted for there will be more employment in the police force Traffic department Defence force Air force Hospitals Correctional services And in all government departments salaries comes out of the budget
What does ANC has got to hide?
😂😂😂
THEY STILL WANT THE LOOTERS WHOSE AFRAID OF NOT EATING FROM THE TROUGH 😂
30 years of corruption … just guessing here.
It's misnomer to say that the other parties are 'as important', this is essentially a coalition deal between the DA and ANC, everything else is irrelevant. A minority government will not hold.
We will get a black majority government, wether you like it or not
One doesn't works with ANC thieves.
One doesn't work with racist DA either.
Hey, you ANC! You failed for 30 years, maan. Get lost, baba!
Lol
They should give all the positions to the DA, then this Country will go forward
Or move it back to apartheid.
@@Qhawe_Jameson. There was apartheid,democracy. What comes will have its own name
@@Qhawe_Jameson.Exactly! White people need not be trusted at all. They always carry an oppressive and exploitory agenda. People who think that they are better than other people in the world.
@@trustingnobody628If that is your attitude the same count for you
This fighting is totally uncalled for The citizens did vote so the politicians should honour that or voting has no purpose
@tsekomofokeng182 nah, there was apartheid, followed by neo apartheid which is similar to Neocolonialism. The markets decided what happens next, not voters
The ANC, not the DA, is just being unreasonable.Period!
The DA is like a kid who wants all the toys like the want everything including orania so many demands. They are showing themselves, I'm glad the anc won't stand for their drama
@@user-bz7vt6gm6owhat? The ANC agreed to give them proportional representation and they aren't doing that. Also, it was the FF+ that asked the ANC to recognise Orania for them to join the GNU.
True....ANC thinks they can jst order everyone around like before, truth is DA has got nothing to loose even if the GNU fails & new elections are to be done
@@user-bz7vt6gm6o You're like the dunce sitting in the corner.
DA is asking for less than what it's entitled to.
The ANC is struggling with the concept of sharing.
ANC can still work without DA
No meeting is necessary they thought Anc was going to chicken out.
why all these theatrics, we all know that the funders have spoken and the deal is sealed, why cant the president announce the cabinet so that we can move on
It's not that easy , they both didn't get the majority what's the rush
Yes We want jobs investment better life for our youth. Tired of politicians . Please SA deserve peace and our children and their children a future.
Dont apppoint cadres, both sides please do whats right for your people. When pen letters, communicate, you are not kids
These two (Cyril & John) should just go into boxing ring and let the winner form a government.
Cyril and John are friends. It's the NEC that is stopping this GNU as the cadres will go hungry. I love this. We have been waiting for 30 yrs for this
😅😅😅
😂😅🤣
@@shannonnaicker4040 True , COSATU and the SACP prefer MK and EFF.
The problem is the level of their support has never been tested as they don't stand in elections but hide behind the skirts of the ANC.
DA IF NOT SATISFIED WALK AWAY
The 18 July, is a true reflection of democracy playing out and it's for the legacy of Former late president Mandela. DA will not let go of this GNU. There s need for certainty and fir our markets ( Rand) to strengthen for the economy to grow and jobs to be created.
Agree!
Have joint trade and industry ministers and divide the salary between them
😂😂
well explained!
Unless there is real power sharing, there will only be downsides for the DA in the GNU.
They will never miss the only opportunity they ever have to get into the Union building.
COSATU blocking
I'm glad because it's BS
Nobody voted for COSATU
What happened to kortbroek, minister of tourism? Where did tsvangarai disappear to? If you dont get some proper power then its not power sharing
I appreciate your running commentary on the formation of the GNU. However, the country is in shambles as we speak. Can the SABC begin to bring us news on attempts to have a National Dialogue, where Civil Society (and not just politicians) will be able to give input on how we should the slippery slide into a Zimbabwean type of chaos 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤔🤔🤔🤔
… will be able to give input on how to *stop* the slippery slide into a Zimbabwean type of chaos 🤷🏾♂️
My Kinfolk on the Continent of the Mother Land you Don't need these devils for y'all to succeed you just have to believe in yourself you can do you are us just in a different Land 💪🏾☝🏾❤️
The ANC and the DA are holding the people of this country for ransom 😢
Just the ANC because they are greedy.
Just give what DA wants, you had 30 years(Nothing done) 😡
And DA is only asking for 5 year deal.
Apartheid? Nit on our continent being controlled by the racists
Nope. DA is just power hungry.
@@donaldchikudo1521ANC too
@@Abby_KayGee
Yes in that 5yrs the DA will make sure that they take all what they need privatise it and then the job well done for their masters. I wonder if the anc is aware of the DAs agenda. We're watching them we're not fools at all. They're not going to win they must just internalise that, gone are those days where divide and rule was the order of the day. Us as youth we're not going to allow any nonsense by whoever
ZUMA ASKED IF ITS GNU WHY ONLY 2 SIGNATURES ON THE DOCUMENT...
Are you referring to the letter of intent?
The most qualified person for the job, please! No jobs for buddies. It is 30 years later! This is not about parties, but people. Put the country first!
ANC will give in to DA demands ANC is in no position TO PLAY BIG SHOT....
ANC has lost power and must let other players take part in government without destructing them.
The Rand plummeted when the ANC reneged on their deal with the DA. It is very wrong to not do what is best for the country. We want a strong rand and cheaper food and services. The ANC is operating against that. I never even voted for the DA and can see this.
The voters want to see a cabinet in line with voters mandate.
Propotional allocation in line woth the results.
Its a simple formular.
What does the constitution say in case no party gets sufficient majority of forming on its own?
Please negotiate and find a compromise and share Trade and Industry
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith.
Time for cape succession.
That is the last card to play.
I dont think they is a bigger picture they all want power both parties 😅😅
The DA wants apartheid it eill never work this time
One of them wants power for themselves to get fat the other wants to serve the country as best they can. Guess which one is which.
We'll suffer even more coz the EFF has made clear before the election that south Africans give majority votes to the EFF liberate you from the oppressors but you choose not to be...
So let's bear another 5 years of struggle maybe we'll catch a wake up along the way...
Viva EFF ❤
THIS DATE IS A THREAT THAT PUT PRESSURE ON THE DA TO DECIDE....I PRAY THEY DONT ..TO TEACH A LESSON..
Both is tougher than the ring
The rand goes up when the DA is included but goes down with threats of them leaving.
I'm waiting patiently about this 😅😅
ANC position, "be reasonable and do it our way"
Trade to IFP
If DA walks out... Ramaphosa is gone
Pls my beloved DA never let ANC to bully this most real party. You must get what is best for the citizens. Even those who haul will be happy not unless they are masked BY ANC THE professional thieves who enjoy when they see poor people whose children are living in the streets yet their own children are working with decent jobs. Re kgathetse ke bobodu ba ANC
House of cards
We need Kzn fixed, and we need change
To be fair the president is he not the one to chose his team. Is this not state capture 101, 😮
no..they have 40% which means power sharing awazi??...he admitted in union building that ppl voted and they go with what we voted for..shared givt so they must come with their ego and bullism
@bennyhlatshwayo383 my point is that his part has 40%; the GNU team players elected a 40% to lead and make decisions for them. Not to control him. My worry allow the agreed leader to lead than to throw spanners. To me people are in for other issues. Everyone wanting to lead leads to collapse.they Problem the negotiations were rashed and done lastly. The cart was put ahead of the horse. Challenge this is politics without rules power is at stake here
I think with my own two Cent the Rand or the market issue is irrelevant in the-making because the Rand is not benefiting our ordinary people on the ground only the rich people are concerned about the rain because they are concerned about their shares and their businesses which don't benefit the ordinary citizens
Ramaphosa is supposed to form a coalition with the South African parties instead of being disturbed by a foreign party.
Africans voted above 70,% . Let's unite and take our country. Why not?
Go with the EFF
DA has Ramaphosa by the balls.
DA will pull out . We became opposition party. We cannot tolerate thieves and lies. This will give DA to work hard for next coming elections to remove ANC completely from government. Victory DA.
GNU eliminates the political concept of OPPOSITION..No opposing as the Parliament work together to debate laws and pass instruments to be executed by the Executive..
In a perfect and fully practiced GNU , ALL elected Political Parties enter into a Power -sharing-- arrangements of the Executive proportionate to their elected vote percentage...and this must include all ,not a coalition of few parties.
National unity government, government of national unity (GNU), or national union government is a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency (and indeed unemployment,poverty rates are high)
A unity government according to the principles of consensus democracy lacks opposition( or opposition parties are too small and negligible)
coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. Coalition governments usually occur when no single party has achieved an absolute majority after an election. A party not having majority is common under proportional representation, but not in nations with majoritarian electoral systems.
There are different forms of coalition governments, minority coalitions and surplus majority coalition governments. A surplus majority coalition government controls more than the absolute majority of seats in parliament necessary to have a majority in the government, whereas minority coalition governments do not hold the majority of legislative seats.
A coalition government might also be created in a time of national difficulty or crisis (for example, during wartime or economic crisis) to give a government the high degree of perceived political legitimacy or collective identity, it can also play a role in diminishing internal political strife.
In such times, parties have formed all-party coalitions (national unity governments, grand coalitions). If a coalition collapses, the Prime Minister and cabinet may be ousted by a vote of no confidence, call snap elections, form a new majority coalition, or continue as a minority government.
The best GNU Can only be achieved when the power for executive positions is eliminated..
THE PROBLEM
Here surfaces the issue of Coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. This is one of the reasons complete transformation from majoritarian to GNU fails..
Why...because the Political ideology of having a One Party Majority system still lingers.
Only two perfect options to perfect GNU....In considerations of current Constitutional instruments, are
Let All parties be represented in the Executive by their ELECTED Vote percentage. All parties should forward their desired candidature (equaling their percentage in parliament)to the Consulting Council which is represented by all parties.
Secondly and Lastly..
The best medicine to eliminate the hunger for Political Parties power struggle of Cabinet positions is to allow for All Executive positions to be applied for and Vetted by Parliament...No MP 's appointment to Executive possitions...All other inportant positions like of intelligence..police. defence...judiciary..let them be decided for by Parliament...not President..his duty just be to execute what the parliament pass as wholly debated laws and policies that are monitored by parliamet..
GNU
We want our our land back thats all
Dont forget to entail in yuo negotiation to ask that.Election was free and Fair maybe yuo will get answer.
This Hippo again🤮
Why in SA particularly ANC doesn't stick to it word? yr allies mps voted you already, now to give or conced some posts to yr allies it becomes a problem every one in ANC hv a say this shows lack of respect in the leadership of ANC in SA; ANC, just satisfy yr boyfriend DA according to their proportional seat in parliament, otherwise this marriage will be over and don't be surprised if the DA declare the Western cape an independent state in SA and all others non born will require Visa to leave, stay or work in the WC ...
Lebotab, i fully agree.
Urgent matter
I’m original ANC believer, open minded,
Mzansi people must now know all the details as was discussed in the initial negotiations where it was agreed Presidency and the chairmanship (Selectee and nominee),
Presidency was handed over to Hon Ramaphosa, same as chairmanship, this was mainly Trio negotiations (IFP, DA and ANC), (other parties and their leaders are followers, and subscribers)
Hon Ramaphosa is playing chameleon, changing colours by the wind.
The power of the statement of intent prevented bloodshed in our country, in many many way,
Spears were sharpened, but the appetite for bloodshed lost momentum because of unite GNU through the Statement of Intent.
So, Hon Ramaphosa, ego aside, respect the efforts that made your life easy, and please don’t be the one changing goal posts.
Ramaphosas recent trail record did not deserve presidency this time round. So truth be told,
But the decision for GNU 🤝
A gamble but this will rewrite history,
You are welcome to disagree 🤸🏾♂️
Guys waste of time all parties should meet in the supervision of an umpire otherwise this will be the continuous disruptions for the next 5 years. Why force incompactable oil and water work together
Deputy President Dr J Hlophe . 😂😂😂
Staan sterk DA. Julle buig nie. ❤❤❤❤❤
En ander partye moet buig neem ek aan. Ek hoop net dieselde DA gaan vir almal werk aangesien ek en my kinders en die res van my familie swart mense is.
Ek personal vertrou steenhuisen maar helen zille vat my ouers vir n gat
Mnr ramaphosa maak jou besluit as jy besluit dit is jou cabinet wat jou gaan by staan stel hulle aan moenie dat ander honger honde jou intemedeer ni dy van wyk lekke sondag
Give DA what they want and 2029 we will vote again case closed
Mzwandile Mbeje was the first SABC journalist to peedle the DA/ANC propaganda that MK "is a Zulu tribalist party".
What ever he says, he spewing his Masters' verbal diarreah
According to a recent poll about 80% of MK's supporters are Zulu speaking.
Make of that what you will.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Wow, almost all White people voted DA. So, DA is indeed a White Apartheid political party
ANC remain would calm head and focus don't let the DA pressure you stay Focus
The DA must not compromise. They must get their fair share of cabinet posts. The ANC is negotiating in bad faith.
The electorate gave this government a clear mandate. Representation in cabinet should be proportional to the number of NA seats in the GNU. Power must be shared equitably. Anything else would be undermining the people's will
DA offered 6 out of 30 cabinet posts, 20% and ANC keeps 80%. This isn't a reflection of the vote as ANC only got 18% more votes
It is not just ANC & DA, other parties also need to be allocated Cabinet posts!
DA supporters really think that this is a DA ANC Coalition 😂😂😂 There are other parties dummy
@@fjhkerwoiero00Why is the DA the one that has to be the one punished for ANC inviting other parties? And now the ANC is giving them positions they did agree to? The ANC is just acting in bad faith 😢
No way ahead......
This CEO is prisoner of his own mind.
His definition of Transformation is the transfer of money. And only blacks have the morals and ethics to manage Transformation.
The word 'Transformation' should be replaced by the words 'Real Work'.
Then we must ask the politicians and political parties are they going to take responsibility to do the Real Work that is needed to improve South Africa and it's people.
Sadly, political parties are money obsessed with no intention to do the Real Work that will result in Transformation.
You will never find a truth from this Mbenje guy khohlwa
Maimane warned us about DA
ANC must walk away from DA. PERIOD. Markets are DA.
Markets = Oppressor
You are correct so it's beneficial for us to be with the DA as the country will prosper. This ANC have just stolen for 30 yrs. Bunch of thieves in the form of cadres. The gravy train is done. Cadres 😅😅
@@ayabulelanochiliza1965yes DA walks away so that the country can become worse than Zim.
@@ninaosborne2004 Mxm. I am so tired of whites oppressors masquerading as saviors.
@@ayabulelanochiliza1965markets are an uplifter when the right signals are sent.
ME THINKS MOST CAT COUNT
Once DA walk away Ramaposa and adm. Ll steall and loot immediately power is on once electricity well go down. People need to make Ramaposa dance 💃 also marriage breaking up
MKP + ANC + EFF 😂😂😂Possibility
😢IF THE DA WALK AWAY THE POOR WONT SURVIVE
Imagine 😂 come think about it........
Do not trust a snake. It keeps coming back
Mxaaa
Why's he meeting that one.. skip and deal with the real leader, "godzille/magogo" 😂
No hurry in SA 😂😂😂
Piet Retief.
Hertzog 😂
@@user-bz7vt6gm6o Which one?
Sharing a cake 🎂 Time 🕰️ 😂