Zoom: Hes shape like a Friend, someone you can really trust *me after watching a lot of Stryder7x videos sawing Mario Killing baby Yoshis (and Kooper), making his partners babys, hitting a poor block for 416 years, making an old goomba follow him everywhere, going back in time and making paradoxes, and a lot of other horrible stuff, specially doing specific actions to destroy the world around him* Seems legit
Maybe the original Japanese name of Paper Mario, Mario's story, should've been the name that caught on. Then all of these paper shenanigans wouldn't exist.
I really don't think any game whose sole selling point was the arts n' crafts art style has really gone over too well, with the only exception I can think of being Kirby's Epic Yarn (and even that still had some mixed reviews).
@@Professor_Utonium_ Of course we have to remember TTYD used those more for gameplay rather than story revolves on it -- at the very least it isn't part of his abilities, and must gained somewhere.
I like the white outline, specifically because it provides a great sense of contrast against the new dynamic lighting that Color Splash brought to the series. I've gotten so used to it that it's hard to imagine how it would look without it, and how easily it would be to see Mario against the background. I do think it's a bit thicker though, and I wish it was about half the width it is now. It'd add contrast, but not remain a large part of the design. I get that the whole point of the video wasn't necessarily the existence of the white outline on its own, but rather what it symbolizes. I won't say much on the topic, as I don't want to distract from what's truly important, but I'm proud of how the series is progressing. Even though I liked Sticker Star, I miss the soul the series had in 64 and TTYD so much, and I wish for it to come back. Color Splash may not have been the same thing, but it was a great step forward, and The Origami King looks to be another step forward, and a greater step forward than ever. Eventually I feel like the series can return to the place it once was. But for now... it's time to talk about what's truly important- _Did you know that Paper Mario's design, especially in the art from TTYD onwards, is inspired by small Mario in Super Mario World?_ The black dot eyes, the black rim (in 64's sprite), the circle body, the lack of legs, and stubby arms at his sides... it all lines up with Small Mario's sprites in Super Mario World! His walking animation is very similar as well. The arms don't move at all, but the feet move, and there are 2 frames. Up and down. TTYD and SPM add smooth movements to add more weight and life to Mario, but his walking in 64, Sticker Star, and Color Splash all match his walking in Super Mario World. It's such a small detail, but it's something they've stayed consistent to throughout the entire series. Mario certainly isn't supposed to _be_ Small Mario sized in the series, but his design is without-a-doubt based on it.
I’m overjoyed somebody mentioned the white outline. It looks revolting, and the fact that it was most likely only added to make the characters seem more like paper doesn’t help it in the slightest.
@@justinc.5591 Yeah, 3H was good, but that's after Fire Emblem Heroes and several blunders with Paper Mario. They're not all bad, but they ain't all good either.
@@justinc.5591 Well-received by people who never played FE before the 3DS - and in fact, many people who never even played any FE game before. It's, well, an okay game. But it's not FE. If you want an ok Persona-like anime story, go ahead and pick it up. But classic FE has always been about the gameplay. I really wish people wouldn't sleep on the games from the Super Famicom, GBA, and GC/Wii eras, because they are absolutely fantastic. Fire Emblem Awakening and especially Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valencia (which too many also slept on) are kinda the last we saw of that old spirit. Unlike Super Paper Mario (which was 12 years ago, and after which, the series director got put to work as a producer on an FE card game...), FE Echoes was only a couple years ago, so I hope that said spirit isn't snuffed out. (also while we're on the topic of IS, I really hope they also revive the Panel de Pon series proper, and don't censor it in the US this time. The first game is actually available on Western versions of SNES Switch Online right now for the first time officially, so I encourage yall to give it a shot if you like puzzle games!)
Yes, finally someone brings this up! I loathed the outline the instant I saw it, and seeing it return in Origami King is a bummer. It feels less like you're playing as Mario made of paper, and more like you're playing as a piece of paper shaped like Mario.
Dwane Dibly I agree! TTYD and Super were like puppets. While very limited with their animations, they at least give their animations smooth tweening thus making them feel more alive! The new white-outline, two frame, animations makes all the characters flat in the worst way possible! Even N64 Paper Mario had more lively animations than the crap Trilogy!
@@Borti_Ovi Two Frame animations? You can insult something without just flat out lying. All of Marios animations in Color Splash are extremely fluid, and with the help of the white outline, these animations expand into the Z axis with Mario idling rocking back and forth or the bobbing he does while running.
The short summary commentary in the designs reminds me of the textposts of people evaluating different kinds of emojis (especially the "shaped like a friend" part lmao)
Definitely getting rid of the White outline would help A TON! Mario already has a black outline, Why add another??? And yeah, the paper meme-theme is sorely overdone with the series at this point.
Overdone with the series? There's only a single released game that focuses on Paper Gimmicks. Even if you include Paper Jam (where the white outline started), that didn't even focus on the paper part. Even Sticker Star had minimal focus on Paper. Yes stickers existed but literally nothing about them would be different if they weren't stickers and just physical objects. Even if you include Origami King that's 2/6 games with a Paper Gimmick, overdone with the Series is a bit of a stretch.
@@Whispernyan I think they meant like meta jokes AND gameplay. The N64 Original had a few (Goomba hiding ON THE SIDE of a sign, for example) and TTYD had Paper Transformations, but that's about it. So, they're safe in everyone's opinion. Super Paper Mario had nearly none from what I've played. Paper Jam relied on the fact that Paper Mario was... Paper. Sticker Star I can't really say, since I haven't seen a lot of it, but... Color Splash has a ton. And, obviously, with the whole origami thing, Origami King has probably the most, with literal TAPE being a boss.
@@ToaderTheToad in Color Splash, you would use dozens of real world objects. And Super Paper Mario's entire gimmick is switching between 2D and 3D. The entire main gameplay gimmick revolves around them being 2D characters. Paper Jam outside of wait for it, the Paper Transformations, barley uses the fact he's paper explicitly. The paper focus of the game is mostly the same level of Sticker Star, toads are crumpled up or under door mats or hiding on signs which like you said even the originals had to same extent.
@@Whispernyan The thing with Paper Jam is that 1. Paper is in it's name and 2. Paper Jam's Paper Toads are a lot more promient then the Goomba in 64. Like, every Paper Mario character is even called Paper [X] to my knowledge.
My favorite paper mario design is the original. I love the pixel art style of the original games but the cleaner ones like in super paper and thousand year door are also pretty cool. That white outline though..... N o.
Honestly, I could do with the white outline so long as they just stopped making the whole paper shtick the whole idea of the game. In TTYD, they did this sort of thing correctly. Yes, you were able to fold into different shapes and whatnot, but it was known as a curse and not something normally possible. Now we've got origami hats to wear, stickers that work like spell scrolls, paint and paper shreds that can bend reality, and Toads folding up left and right. In Super Paper Mario, if they used the current design philosophy, you cannot convince me that they wouldn't have made Count Bleck have some shitty paper pun for a name, and have the void be a giant paper shredder. I feel like the reason the games have declined in quality is because they go against everything the games used to be. TTYD had intriguing plot, engaging characters, neat mechanics, as well as witty dialogue. Now we have "Stop evil Paper Man! He is evil!", Shy Guy #824 and Toad #3.71e308, restricting attacks to consumables only, and base-level jokes like Toad=Weak, Luigi=Scared, and Bowser=Ugly. The reason the games feel stupider and cheaper is because the games have been dumbed down to such a degree that even someone with an IQ beneath 70 can see how simple they are, is because they have without a doubt been intentionally dumbed down in an attempt to make it marketable to kids, despite them currently making up less than half of the Paper Mario fanbase.
I heard their excuse was that they wanted to change it up because they already had another Mario RPG series with Mario & Luigi... well, they can't really fall back on that excuse anymore (R.I.P. Alphadream)
I must say that the original game's design is my favourite, there's something very charming about it. The TTYD design adding a real M to the cap is a big plus though, easily takes second place for me.
Yeah, original looks best. Something about the resolution upgrade makes TTYD and onward feel... sterile. The blockiness almost feels like it's part of the papery design
I actually don't mind the white outline the characters have nowadays - which technically debuted in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam - I think it's an alright addition to the Paper Mario style. I'm cautiously optimistic about Paper Mario: The Origami King, but having the bosses be arts and crafts supplies doesn't seem like a good idea. Maybe if another character was controlling them it could work, like say King Boo hiding inside the Rubberband Man, or maybe have them serve as minibosses.
Just like how there was no Tiananmen Square shenanigans, there is no such thing as Sticker Star, and if there was, the world would have ended a month before the prediction.
One thing I also dislike about the newer versions after TTYD (Didn't really take a close look at Super Paper Mario) is that Mario is so.... static. Like the animations are fluid in N64 and TTYD, but later on, it's just so strict... As if someone was lazy and only made the most necessary frames to animate Mario... In TTYD is his idle animation fluid. You can see him move on his toes... The other ones are as if Nintendo tried to emulate an old SNES or 8-Bit game.... It sucks for me.
The white outline makes it look more like paper... like its a cutout and it was cut out with some blank around the image to keep the image from being damagged
I'm definitely друг. I might've grown up with the "Clean Kid" design but "друг" give a "printable cutout" feel to me. Clean Kid is like many pieces of paper glued into one, Old Schooler is like a cutout of a low quality drawing, and I'm trash at origami so that's a no for me there. Also, even though Sticker Star is the one that's most hated, the design for PM there is on par with the first 3 according to the logic you presented.
Yeah, white outline wasn't even in sticker star. Its first appearance was in paper jam, I guess to make the paper characters contrast more with mario and luigi?
It's not even just the white outlines that break the deal, it's also the fact that they're favoring these drone-ish, lazy 2 frame animations over the lively puppetting they had before, and completely stripping Mario of his voice. Everything before Sticker Star made me think I was playing as Mario. Now? Just some knock-off papery cut-out of him. You wanna know one of the things they could've done if they wanted to make people at least somewhat happy with the direction? You know how Mario would use shapeshifting to tell someone something in SMRPG? They could have him do the same thing by having him fold, unfold and look exactly like the character he's trying to tell someone about. Or, you know... they could just stop being little obtuse, bastardizing, magpies for once in their arrogant lives.
Intelligent systems said they put the white outline on Mario so he could "stand out more from the background" and boy oh boy, they did make it stand out.
If your looking for another Paper Mario type game that can satisfy what's been missing from the series for a long time then I highly recommend giving Bug Fables a shot. It gives fans the type of combat and story that we've wanted but with even more depth to set it apart from just being a "Paper Mario clone". I'm about halfway through it and it's already becoming one of my favorite games ever so I think you'd really enjoy it as well :)
ZoomZike I ain’t saying the games themselves are better as I with everyone else in the world didn’t care for them however this is what I would want my dream Paper Mario game would look like as the other designs just look so- basic and dull imo Not my favorite video of yours ngl tho I do relate upon the last part when you went on a speech about how you wish the old Paper Mario Charm would return so it wasn’t all bad but like- I major disagree with the main point of the video-
Same. As I said in my comment, it gives a good contrast with the rest of the background. Artistically speaking, it makes totally sense to me. But I just imagined the white outline is connected to the reception of the latest 2 games, like: "if there is white outline then the game is bad". Maybe it's not something people would say explicitly, but inside their hearts, they know why they actually don't like it.
@@antonioaguirre5464 Yeah it was added in Paper Jam to help contrast Paper characters to the background, but Color Splash was 100% in development during the same time so it's not like Paper Jam just decided this is Paper Mario now.
Holding the L? Thanks a lot buddy. Now I have to tell him his name’s “Doop iss” Also, check out Bug Fables. It’s an outstanding indie game, based on the original Paper Mario formula. I loved it.
The main problem with Paper Mario is that rather than the original Japanese title of showcasing a Mario story shown inside a paper aestetic, they started relying far too heavy on paper as a gimmick. I don't know why they need to shoe horn it in. The main appeal of N64 and TTYD Paper Mario era was travelling with Mario in an RPG setting alongside a cast of friendlies that are normally your enemies in other Mario games. Each with their own unique personalities. Partners are the bread and butter of classic Paper Mario. I don't see why the devs ever thought we'd prefer paper gimmicks vs seeing enemies turned friends in a charming package. Paper Mario also even had that benefit going for it over the Mario and Luigi rpgs. Traveling with a cast is so much more appealing than Mario and Luigi duoing everything down.
Y'know what, I agree. I've never liked the white outline, or the constant focus on 'papercraft' aesthetics. It's just too gimmicky and has no substance without the gorgeous story and original characters of the first ones.
Man I felt the last couple of sentences... I really dont understand why nintendo started shifting paper Mario's audience to children only.. It was such a wonderful game series with paper mario 64 and ttyd.. albeit a bit short.
I know the white outline part of the video is likely meant to be a joke, but to the people who actually complain about it: the design is identical to the TTYD one.
@@zoomzike You eventually get used to the white outline (at least I did), and while the texture is slightly different the overall design and shape is the same.
I love the modern design, he is paper after all! I feel like the ideal paper Mario world would be a place where the characters are paper but the world is more realistic (not all paper)
Tbh I like supers the best, it’s different than all the others in just that one subtle way and I love it because of that Edit: idk how that white outline is bad tho, it’s PAPER mario, not flat stanley
Wall of text ahead warning. Okay, I'm gonna say this because every time I see one of this critics towards the white outline in Paper Mario, they seem to focus exclusively on the aesthetic part, despite there being another, more objective and meybe even more important aspect of this outline: The outline *dictates* how the characters move. Take a look at how Mario walks in TTYD and in CS. You can see that he's a lot more fluid in the former. This is because of how the character's sprites are designed. (Which is derived from the outline, I'll get to that.) In the older games (except the original paper mario) and SS, every character's body parts were a different sprite, which were put on top on eachother to form the character. (Think of those old flash animations or... Idk, the next best thing I have is Rayman and Plants vs. Zombies). The thing is, this allows for fluid movement without soe of the common issues this style of aniation has (Like when a character changes angle or turns around, since in Paper Mario everyone is purposely 2D and can flip without major issues, and when the character needed to move dynamically as in Mario with the curses in TTYD, it would just use a complete sprite of the chaacter and then revert Mario to its original form.) Even in Paper Mario 64, where most characters were single sprites, some of the more complex designs were done with this technique (Like Bowser and Tubba Blubba). However, this comes with a drawback, and is that the entire can't have an outline covering their bodies, because the white (or any other color) whould appear on top of the body and overlap with other parts (It's hard to explain but easier with an example, look closely at Draggadon's head in Color Splash and you'll notice that the white outline goes on top of their body, as opposed to almost every other character in the game). What this means is that every animation must be done in frames, which difficults the fluidity, as more inbetweens would be needed to convey the effect. Finally, for some reason, the white outline also seems to cause less fluid animation. Mario seems to have a lot more walking frames in 64 than in CS. In all honesty, while I don't mind the outline aesthetically, I feel that its use has important consequences in character movement, which I never seem anyone to acknowledge in this kind of critiques and instead simply focus on the more subjective side of what it means. As a final thought, I'd like to point out that the white outline seems to be a subproduct of the recent overemphasis of the series in paper, absent in Sticker Star, (Justifiedly) invented in Paper Jam and then brought up again in Color Splash. Tldr: The white outline doesn't have much impact in the general aesthetic but it has on the animation. (And shouldn't be mutually exclusive with what made the first Paper Marios so good)
The first 3 Paper Mario games focused on being solid RPGs first and foremost. Story, unique characters, etc. The paper gimmicks were secondary. Only used occasionally for an ability or visual gag. In the newer games, the paper gimmicks are literally the sole focus. It really ruins any and all immersion. Instead of focusing on an engaging story they focus on trying to be funny and meta 24/7. While jokes are fine sometimes, you need serious moments to balance it out. The older games: Paper Mario The new ones: Mario, but paper.
I think the charm of the 1st three Paper Mario games comes from how it feels like you're immersed into a story book. The moment you start the game , a book is opened and the narration immediately draws you into the game's world. The visuals feel like you're controlling a character in a story and any wacky visuals you see, you can accept as being part of that game's world. The games felt like "Mario's Story" and I believe that's what the original title was called before it became "Paper Mario" Sticker Star and games after get too meta with the paper aesthetic. The white outline for one makes it feel like a realistic Sticker you'd buy off Etsy or Redbubble. It literally feels like the playtime scenes with Andy from Toy Story. Paper Mario is being dragged around in some kid's toybox and that's why you see realistic items such as a plunger, desk fan, and scissors. These items are why the kid has around the house to aid Mario. Coins are used since the kid ran out of stickers for you to use and has to buy more. The kid also ran out of boss ideas so you're now fighting the child's Colored Pencils, Tape, and Rubber Bands. The game isn't "Mario's Story" anymore. On one hand the games feel nostalgic since this is something I'd probably imagine as a kid, but this immersion makes me feel uncomfortable since I play a videogame to escape reality. So if i want to play Origami King , Sticker Star, or Color Splash; then I just have to buy a white outlined "Paper Mario" sticker and have it fight office supplies or other "Stickers".
I just realize that what I call are Modern Paper Mario games are so different in their game direction and vision that it's closer now to a Yoshi's Wooly World than it is to Super Mario RPG, and feels like a reboot than a continuation to merit greivance from an OG fan. I just hope another company carries that "Mario Story" feel again, maybe even in a 3D style. Monolith Soft wants a lighter project. Hoping maybe they could think of it, hehe.
Brady Burkett The battle system looks great, but if there is no XP system, then that will almost ruin the whole game. No XP system would completely defeat the purpose of engaging with the game’s main mechanic.
@@seandwalsh3 jokes on you paper mario 64 is called "Mario's Story" in japan, so technically not every paper mario titles have a paper reference in the title, also we were talking about the subtitle, not the actual game title
The second i saw the bosses as a tape roll, colored pencils, and some string, i lost all hope. Pack it up boys the devs traded character personality for puns and paper AGAIN
Have you tried Bug Fables? It's honestly scratched nearly every itch I have for a new classic-style Paper Mario. I'll admit there *is* some missing production value and polishing that you would see in the earlier Paper Marios, but it still captures a lot of the same charm and even makes some improvements in the challenge & battle gameplay. Overall I'd be happy if the devs just make more Bug Fables and Paper Mario just at least tries to be a good game if not purely classic style.
**Warning wall of text incoming** Many people might already know this but I just want to mention, I think the reason why the paper mario series has been more focus around the paper theme because some of the people who worked on the old series moved out, and the ones who are working on the newer series are just having fun with it instead of doing it for the fans, not saying it's a bad thing because they do show effort to what their making but they don't know what the fans want sence not a lot of them have seen the older games.
Ah, of course, they must've simply forgotten to include a black outline on top of the white one! Easy mistake, such a shame we couldn't play the authentic double-outlined Paper Mario of our dreams.
Maybe the Origami King bosses have more meaning than just being jokes about paper. All of the bosses that were shown in the trailer are materials that make up the fabric of the story book world of Paper Mario. Now, Mario needs to confront the makers of his invaded world to change things for the better. Maybe Oli wanted to make everything become origami so that he may have substance and 3D form; and then move on to the next world if he succeeds, that of the 3D Super Mario games. Either way, imo the boss mechanics looks interesting so I don't really care too much on their design.
Clearly unpopular opinion, but I actually like white outline paper Mario, I understand that it’s fueling the whole “game must be centered around paper” thing but I still think it looks good
In Super Paper Mario, Mario is being looked at from a 2D perspective. His arms and shoes are aligned instead of the back ones being higher than the front ones. This is also why his hat appears lower. I for one love the Color Splash style. I can understand and agree with most other criticisms of the game, but the art style is not one of them. If they ever remake the older Paper Mario games, I would want them to look like Color Splash and the Origami King.
Color Splash wouldn't work without the outlines despite everything everyone says. It's the one thing that sells the fact they are made out of paper. Imagine just the slight bending forward and back Mario does in his Idle Animations without it.
i havent managed to get into paper mario that much, but ive watched countless videos from Stryder7x and TTYD TASes from Malleo, those games are really something special even ignoring the glitches (which is still a positive for me lol)
Loved the vid bro. Easily an old schooler here. I haven't bought a PM game since sticker star I'm kinda hoping that they're able to make it a great rpg that has charm. Can't wait till the next June Zoom
I was also concerned by the real items bosses. Their existence alone is incredibly meta and there’s several ones, so this is actually a thing now rather than a one-off joke like the steak. Even if they actually wrote in a heartwarming little story with King Ollie and his sister, I don’t think it would have the same impact as the events from previous games after ridiculous bosses like that. Worst case scenario it would be like Sonic Lost World where it’s clearly trying to do a thing with these characters, but also includes stupid shit like Cubot or the Deadly Six which leaves no time for them to actually do anything meaningful. These kind of things just indicate that this game and its content is clearly not meant to be taken seriously, if there is anything heartwarming it it, it would probably be fanservice more than anything else. But that’s just me being pessimistic. I want Origami King to be good, but I‘m also concerned.
That's kinda what I don't like. When you look at a drawing on a piece of paper, at no point do you need a white outline to remind you that you're looking at a piece of paper. The overall look and texture of the paper already tells you that, the white outline takes away all the subtly of it, like if I included "Movie" in the title of my movie, or "Game" in the title of my game.
@ZoomZike Yeah but the thing is that he isn’t on a large piece of paper. When you see him alone in the old version you don’t think “paper mario” you think “flat mario”. The white makes it look like a margin of the paper has been left around mario.
I see you left a lot of comments about this stuff, are you joking around or serious? I don't make videos with the intentions you're talking about, that'd be mean.
Zoom: White line must die!!!
Intelligent Systems: Right answer. Wrong answer. It doesn't matter. Your responses are all just paper thin.
I'm so mad right now xD
IS is gonna kill every last paper Mario opinion!
This is too good of a comment.
This L lore is getting deep, or should I say ore
Or should L say ore.
Or should ore say mined iron.
The name of the game is to avoid it
when i was young I would go on internet forums and spam the letter l continuously and get banned. I couldn't explain why. i remember these days fondly
@Squif then DO IT!
I actually did the gesture to give the L back and it appeared in the screen with perfect timing. That was surprisingly interactive, wow
I'm upping my immersion game, expect holograms next.
@@zoomzike you will keep your L
Zoom: Hes shape like a Friend, someone you can really trust
*me after watching a lot of Stryder7x videos sawing Mario Killing baby Yoshis (and Kooper), making his partners babys, hitting a poor block for 416 years, making an old goomba follow him everywhere, going back in time and making paradoxes, and a lot of other horrible stuff, specially doing specific actions to destroy the world around him*
Seems legit
Maybe the original Japanese name of Paper Mario, Mario's story, should've been the name that caught on. Then all of these paper shenanigans wouldn't exist.
Prolly yeah
I really don't think any game whose sole selling point was the arts n' crafts art style has really gone over too well, with the only exception I can think of being Kirby's Epic Yarn (and even that still had some mixed reviews).
TTYD adopted the "Paper" moniker, so that kind of falls _flat_. Also, Miyamoto is super overbearing on the new titles.
And let's not forget that Paper Mario was originaly goimg to be Mario's RPG Sequel
@@Professor_Utonium_ Of course we have to remember TTYD used those more for gameplay rather than story revolves on it -- at the very least it isn't part of his abilities, and must gained somewhere.
Nobody:
Zoomzike: _This June Zoom series adapts to the choices you make. The story is tailored by how you play._
Each copy of June Zoom is personalized
@@mondobe GODDAMMIT I WAS GONNA COMMENT THAT
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Cool nobody:, really adds to the meme and doesn't make it shit
Huh, didn't even know, that the SPM looks slightly different from the TTYD one. Perhaps they did it because of the 2D perspective.
Super Mario Hack yeah, that’s exactly why. The arms and legs are aligned so they look more natural on the 2D plane.
I like the white outline, specifically because it provides a great sense of contrast against the new dynamic lighting that Color Splash brought to the series. I've gotten so used to it that it's hard to imagine how it would look without it, and how easily it would be to see Mario against the background.
I do think it's a bit thicker though, and I wish it was about half the width it is now. It'd add contrast, but not remain a large part of the design.
I get that the whole point of the video wasn't necessarily the existence of the white outline on its own, but rather what it symbolizes.
I won't say much on the topic, as I don't want to distract from what's truly important, but I'm proud of how the series is progressing. Even though I liked Sticker Star, I miss the soul the series had in 64 and TTYD so much, and I wish for it to come back. Color Splash may not have been the same thing, but it was a great step forward, and The Origami King looks to be another step forward, and a greater step forward than ever. Eventually I feel like the series can return to the place it once was. But for now... it's time to talk about what's truly important-
_Did you know that Paper Mario's design, especially in the art from TTYD onwards, is inspired by small Mario in Super Mario World?_
The black dot eyes, the black rim (in 64's sprite), the circle body, the lack of legs, and stubby arms at his sides... it all lines up with Small Mario's sprites in Super Mario World!
His walking animation is very similar as well. The arms don't move at all, but the feet move, and there are 2 frames. Up and down. TTYD and SPM add smooth movements to add more weight and life to Mario, but his walking in 64, Sticker Star, and Color Splash all match his walking in Super Mario World. It's such a small detail, but it's something they've stayed consistent to throughout the entire series. Mario certainly isn't supposed to _be_ Small Mario sized in the series, but his design is without-a-doubt based on it.
I couldn’t agree more with all you said
I’m overjoyed somebody mentioned the white outline. It looks revolting, and the fact that it was most likely only added to make the characters seem more like paper doesn’t help it in the slightest.
"Unintelligent Systems"
No no, hang on, he's got a point
They've just gotta start studying again!
Wasn’t FE Three Houses pretty well received?
@@justinc.5591 the best game they made in years and it was in part thanks to Koei Tekmo
@@justinc.5591 Yeah, 3H was good, but that's after Fire Emblem Heroes and several blunders with Paper Mario. They're not all bad, but they ain't all good either.
@@justinc.5591 Well-received by people who never played FE before the 3DS - and in fact, many people who never even played any FE game before.
It's, well, an okay game. But it's not FE. If you want an ok Persona-like anime story, go ahead and pick it up.
But classic FE has always been about the gameplay. I really wish people wouldn't sleep on the games from the Super Famicom, GBA, and GC/Wii eras, because they are absolutely fantastic.
Fire Emblem Awakening and especially Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valencia (which too many also slept on) are kinda the last we saw of that old spirit. Unlike Super Paper Mario (which was 12 years ago, and after which, the series director got put to work as a producer on an FE card game...), FE Echoes was only a couple years ago, so I hope that said spirit isn't snuffed out.
(also while we're on the topic of IS, I really hope they also revive the Panel de Pon series proper, and don't censor it in the US this time. The first game is actually available on Western versions of SNES Switch Online right now for the first time officially, so I encourage yall to give it a shot if you like puzzle games!)
Yes, finally someone brings this up! I loathed the outline the instant I saw it, and seeing it return in Origami King is a bummer. It feels less like you're playing as Mario made of paper, and more like you're playing as a piece of paper shaped like Mario.
Dwane Dibly
I agree! TTYD and Super were like puppets. While very limited with their animations, they at least give their animations smooth tweening thus making them feel more alive! The new white-outline, two frame, animations makes all the characters flat in the worst way possible! Even N64 Paper Mario had more lively animations than the crap Trilogy!
@@Borti_Ovi Two Frame animations? You can insult something without just flat out lying. All of Marios animations in Color Splash are extremely fluid, and with the help of the white outline, these animations expand into the Z axis with Mario idling rocking back and forth or the bobbing he does while running.
Borti_Ovi you can make good arguments without lying.
The short summary commentary in the designs reminds me of the textposts of people evaluating different kinds of emojis (especially the "shaped like a friend" part lmao)
Definitely getting rid of the White outline would help A TON! Mario already has a black outline, Why add another???
And yeah, the paper meme-theme is sorely overdone with the series at this point.
Overdone with the series? There's only a single released game that focuses on Paper Gimmicks. Even if you include Paper Jam (where the white outline started), that didn't even focus on the paper part.
Even Sticker Star had minimal focus on Paper. Yes stickers existed but literally nothing about them would be different if they weren't stickers and just physical objects.
Even if you include Origami King that's 2/6 games with a Paper Gimmick, overdone with the Series is a bit of a stretch.
@@Whispernyan I think they meant like meta jokes AND gameplay.
The N64 Original had a few (Goomba hiding ON THE SIDE of a sign, for example) and TTYD had Paper Transformations, but that's about it. So, they're safe in everyone's opinion.
Super Paper Mario had nearly none from what I've played.
Paper Jam relied on the fact that Paper Mario was... Paper.
Sticker Star I can't really say, since I haven't seen a lot of it, but...
Color Splash has a ton.
And, obviously, with the whole origami thing, Origami King has probably the most, with literal TAPE being a boss.
@@ToaderTheToad in Color Splash, you would use dozens of real world objects. And Super Paper Mario's entire gimmick is switching between 2D and 3D. The entire main gameplay gimmick revolves around them being 2D characters.
Paper Jam outside of wait for it, the Paper Transformations, barley uses the fact he's paper explicitly. The paper focus of the game is mostly the same level of Sticker Star, toads are crumpled up or under door mats or hiding on signs which like you said even the originals had to same extent.
@@Whispernyan The thing with Paper Jam is that 1. Paper is in it's name and 2. Paper Jam's Paper Toads are a lot more promient then the Goomba in 64. Like, every Paper Mario character is even called Paper [X] to my knowledge.
Cause hes paper
My trick that prevents me from receiving L's is that im already holding an L
You can hold two.
Llamas know how that feels.
THIS AIN'T POKEMON, YOU CAN HOLD MORE THAN ONE
@@zoomzike wahoo
@@zoomzike lmaoo
Friendly reminder about June Zoom's 3rd Rule:
"Upload dates go by PST"
Hopefully I'll prevent it from getting this late, SOMEDAY
Was just done watching the last vid and im keeping my L >:(
The latter half of the June Zoom might be draining you, Zike.
I’m color splash. I seem disappointing at first, but im more likable the more you get to know me
I'm gonna get deeper in the comments, I wanna see more of these.
I like color splash's design. It just feels more like (actual paper) paper mario
Gacha FNAF That’s why I’m hyped for origami king!
My favorite paper mario design is the original.
I love the pixel art style of the original games but the cleaner ones like in super paper and thousand year door are also pretty cool.
That white outline though.....
N o.
It haunts my dreams.
I actually think I do like the original design the most, just needs to up it's resolution -- I felt it may be the closest to what Mario looks in 2D.
Why do I see you all over UA-cam
How and why are you following me.
What are you the new Justin Y. StickMasterLuke500 Christopher Moon?
Zoom Zike after June:
*In terms of sanity, we have no sanity*
I didn't watch that video where you gave people an L.
So technically, I have -1 Ls.
Honestly, I could do with the white outline so long as they just stopped making the whole paper shtick the whole idea of the game. In TTYD, they did this sort of thing correctly. Yes, you were able to fold into different shapes and whatnot, but it was known as a curse and not something normally possible. Now we've got origami hats to wear, stickers that work like spell scrolls, paint and paper shreds that can bend reality, and Toads folding up left and right. In Super Paper Mario, if they used the current design philosophy, you cannot convince me that they wouldn't have made Count Bleck have some shitty paper pun for a name, and have the void be a giant paper shredder. I feel like the reason the games have declined in quality is because they go against everything the games used to be. TTYD had intriguing plot, engaging characters, neat mechanics, as well as witty dialogue. Now we have "Stop evil Paper Man! He is evil!", Shy Guy #824 and Toad #3.71e308, restricting attacks to consumables only, and base-level jokes like Toad=Weak, Luigi=Scared, and Bowser=Ugly. The reason the games feel stupider and cheaper is because the games have been dumbed down to such a degree that even someone with an IQ beneath 70 can see how simple they are, is because they have without a doubt been intentionally dumbed down in an attempt to make it marketable to kids, despite them currently making up less than half of the Paper Mario fanbase.
Jesus dude you didn’t have to shit on the game THAT much!
I heard their excuse was that they wanted to change it up because they already had another Mario RPG series with Mario & Luigi... well, they can't really fall back on that excuse anymore (R.I.P. Alphadream)
Bruh, base level jokes? The writing as a whole was one of the highlights of CS. SS though, is just bad.
I must say that the original game's design is my favourite, there's something very charming about it. The TTYD design adding a real M to the cap is a big plus though, easily takes second place for me.
The original is pretty cool! I like 'em all...except the obvious
Yeah, original looks best. Something about the resolution upgrade makes TTYD and onward feel... sterile. The blockiness almost feels like it's part of the papery design
I like the animations more in 64, TTYD and onwards has that tweened feel to it especially with the separate limbs being clearly visible
As weird as this sounds, my personal favorite design is the SPM one, solely because of how the hat is positioned, lol
I mean, Mario does need to have that hat on tight...
I actually don't mind the white outline the characters have nowadays - which technically debuted in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam - I think it's an alright addition to the Paper Mario style.
I'm cautiously optimistic about Paper Mario: The Origami King, but having the bosses be arts and crafts supplies doesn't seem like a good idea. Maybe if another character was controlling them it could work, like say King Boo hiding inside the Rubberband Man, or maybe have them serve as minibosses.
He forgot about Sticker star oh well
What's a Sticker Star? It sounds disappointing.
ZoomZike
oh no you’re one of those people
@@DTheAustralian No No... Zoom has a point.. There's no such thing as a sticker star.
It’s not canon. I refuse to say it’s canon. That game never existed.
Just like how there was no Tiananmen Square shenanigans, there is no such thing as Sticker Star, and if there was, the world would have ended a month before the prediction.
But...
I like the outline in the new paper design
All of this L talk just reminds me of Mr. L from Super Paper Mario.
One thing I also dislike about the newer versions after TTYD (Didn't really take a close look at Super Paper Mario) is that Mario is so.... static. Like the animations are fluid in N64 and TTYD, but later on, it's just so strict... As if someone was lazy and only made the most necessary frames to animate Mario... In TTYD is his idle animation fluid. You can see him move on his toes... The other ones are as if Nintendo tried to emulate an old SNES or 8-Bit game.... It sucks for me.
great now i can't unsee the white line
The white outline makes it look more like paper... like its a cutout and it was cut out with some blank around the image to keep the image from being damagged
Agree.
I'm definitely друг. I might've grown up with the "Clean Kid" design but "друг" give a "printable cutout" feel to me. Clean Kid is like many pieces of paper glued into one, Old Schooler is like a cutout of a low quality drawing, and I'm trash at origami so that's a no for me there.
Also, even though Sticker Star is the one that's most hated, the design for PM there is on par with the first 3 according to the logic you presented.
Wait, what's Sticker Star..?
@@zoomzike The twice removed cousin of the Paper Mario series.
Yeah, white outline wasn't even in sticker star. Its first appearance was in paper jam, I guess to make the paper characters contrast more with mario and luigi?
Paper Mario TTYD with the HD texture pack on dolphin ;)
10/10 response, it looks ACTUALLY beautiful
@@zoomzike yeah, I've also tried it but when I set it to wide screen, the left and right sides is glitching, but the HD texture looks really good.
It's not even just the white outlines that break the deal, it's also the fact that they're favoring these drone-ish, lazy 2 frame animations over the lively puppetting they had before, and completely stripping Mario of his voice. Everything before Sticker Star made me think I was playing as Mario. Now? Just some knock-off papery cut-out of him.
You wanna know one of the things they could've done if they wanted to make people at least somewhat happy with the direction?
You know how Mario would use shapeshifting to tell someone something in SMRPG? They could have him do the same thing by having him fold, unfold and look exactly like the character he's trying to tell someone about.
Or, you know... they could just stop being little obtuse, bastardizing, magpies for once in their arrogant lives.
Intelligent systems said they put the white outline on Mario so he could "stand out more from the background" and boy oh boy, they did make it stand out.
If your looking for another Paper Mario type game that can satisfy what's been missing from the series for a long time then I highly recommend giving Bug Fables a shot. It gives fans the type of combat and story that we've wanted but with even more depth to set it apart from just being a "Paper Mario clone". I'm about halfway through it and it's already becoming one of my favorite games ever so I think you'd really enjoy it as well :)
got a soft spot for the super paper mario style, despite growing up with ttyd
it just looks
cool
The white outline legit made it look better I dunno what you are talking about no cap
>:(
ZoomZike I ain’t saying the games themselves are better as I with everyone else in the world didn’t care for them however this is what I would want my dream Paper Mario game would look like as the other designs just look so- basic and dull imo
Not my favorite video of yours ngl tho I do relate upon the last part when you went on a speech about how you wish the old Paper Mario Charm would return so it wasn’t all bad but like- I major disagree with the main point of the video-
@@charandfriends554 No, we need a black outline around the white outline of the black outline
I love how he completely skipped sticker star
i love the white outline tho
it adds charms
You're not the only one, I thought it was a nice little addition to the Paper Mario style.
"Here, he's shaped like a friend" - That's a weird way to spell "Void Termina"
Many Nintendo games recovered after hitting low point so there should be hope for Paper Mario too
As an old Paper Mario fan, sorry, but I like the white outline.
1:36 Hold on, you're comparing two in-game sprites to a piece of official artwork.
Unpopular opinion: I love the white outline, it’s my favorite thing about the characters
Same. As I said in my comment, it gives a good contrast with the rest of the background. Artistically speaking, it makes totally sense to me.
But I just imagined the white outline is connected to the reception of the latest 2 games, like: "if there is white outline then the game is bad". Maybe it's not something people would say explicitly, but inside their hearts, they know why they actually don't like it.
@@iKiwed Do you know what the worst part about this is? Sticker Star had no white outline. (It was added in Paper Jam.)
@@antonioaguirre5464 Yeah it was added in Paper Jam to help contrast Paper characters to the background, but Color Splash was 100% in development during the same time so it's not like Paper Jam just decided this is Paper Mario now.
@@iKiwed While I don't really like the white outline, I can see where you're coming from here. Especially since the game's pretty bright.
The best part is that he doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Sticker Star
Holding the L?
Thanks a lot buddy. Now I have to tell him his name’s “Doop iss”
Also, check out Bug Fables. It’s an outstanding indie game, based on the original Paper Mario formula. I loved it.
The main problem with Paper Mario is that rather than the original Japanese title of showcasing a Mario story shown inside a paper aestetic, they started relying far too heavy on paper as a gimmick. I don't know why they need to shoe horn it in. The main appeal of N64 and TTYD Paper Mario era was travelling with Mario in an RPG setting alongside a cast of friendlies that are normally your enemies in other Mario games. Each with their own unique personalities. Partners are the bread and butter of classic Paper Mario. I don't see why the devs ever thought we'd prefer paper gimmicks vs seeing enemies turned friends in a charming package. Paper Mario also even had that benefit going for it over the Mario and Luigi rpgs. Traveling with a cast is so much more appealing than Mario and Luigi duoing everything down.
But I like the white outlines, it makes the characters look like paper cutouts.
Y'know what, I agree. I've never liked the white outline, or the constant focus on 'papercraft' aesthetics. It's just too gimmicky and has no substance without the gorgeous story and original characters of the first ones.
Man I felt the last couple of sentences...
I really dont understand why nintendo started shifting paper Mario's audience to children only..
It was such a wonderful game series with paper mario 64 and ttyd.. albeit a bit short.
I know the white outline part of the video is likely meant to be a joke, but to the people who actually complain about it: the design is identical to the TTYD one.
Kind of? The white outline feels unnecessary, and Mario's textures were edited to appear more like cardboard
@@zoomzike You eventually get used to the white outline (at least I did), and while the texture is slightly different the overall design and shape is the same.
I love the modern design, he is paper after all! I feel like the ideal paper Mario world would be a place where the characters are paper but the world is more realistic (not all paper)
Yeah it has that paper craft look into it.
Tbh I like supers the best, it’s different than all the others in just that one subtle way and I love it because of that
Edit: idk how that white outline is bad tho, it’s PAPER mario, not flat stanley
The lack of a white outline is why Sticker Star is the most beloved game in the entire series.
is no one gonna talk about the fact that paper mario had actual legs in the first game
Wait, but ZoomZike, Sticker Star doesn't have the white outline. Doesn't that technically mean it's on par with the originals?!
its almost contagious the ammount of fun youre having making these, see you tomorrow!
1:05 He looks traumatized
Wall of text ahead warning.
Okay, I'm gonna say this because every time I see one of this critics towards the white outline in Paper Mario, they seem to focus exclusively on the aesthetic part, despite there being another, more objective and meybe even more important aspect of this outline: The outline *dictates* how the characters move.
Take a look at how Mario walks in TTYD and in CS. You can see that he's a lot more fluid in the former. This is because of how the character's sprites are designed. (Which is derived from the outline, I'll get to that.)
In the older games (except the original paper mario) and SS, every character's body parts were a different sprite, which were put on top on eachother to form the character. (Think of those old flash animations or... Idk, the next best thing I have is Rayman and Plants vs. Zombies). The thing is, this allows for fluid movement without soe of the common issues this style of aniation has (Like when a character changes angle or turns around, since in Paper Mario everyone is purposely 2D and can flip without major issues, and when the character needed to move dynamically as in Mario with the curses in TTYD, it would just use a complete sprite of the chaacter and then revert Mario to its original form.) Even in Paper Mario 64, where most characters were single sprites, some of the more complex designs were done with this technique (Like Bowser and Tubba Blubba). However, this comes with a drawback, and is that the entire can't have an outline covering their bodies, because the white (or any other color) whould appear on top of the body and overlap with other parts (It's hard to explain but easier with an example, look closely at Draggadon's head in Color Splash and you'll notice that the white outline goes on top of their body, as opposed to almost every other character in the game). What this means is that every animation must be done in frames, which difficults the fluidity, as more inbetweens would be needed to convey the effect. Finally, for some reason, the white outline also seems to cause less fluid animation. Mario seems to have a lot more walking frames in 64 than in CS.
In all honesty, while I don't mind the outline aesthetically, I feel that its use has important consequences in character movement, which I never seem anyone to acknowledge in this kind of critiques and instead simply focus on the more subjective side of what it means. As a final thought, I'd like to point out that the white outline seems to be a subproduct of the recent overemphasis of the series in paper, absent in Sticker Star, (Justifiedly) invented in Paper Jam and then brought up again in Color Splash.
Tldr: The white outline doesn't have much impact in the general aesthetic but it has on the animation. (And shouldn't be mutually exclusive with what made the first Paper Marios so good)
The first 3 Paper Mario games focused on being solid RPGs first and foremost. Story, unique characters, etc. The paper gimmicks were secondary. Only used occasionally for an ability or visual gag. In the newer games, the paper gimmicks are literally the sole focus. It really ruins any and all immersion. Instead of focusing on an engaging story they focus on trying to be funny and meta 24/7. While jokes are fine sometimes, you need serious moments to balance it out.
The older games: Paper Mario
The new ones: Mario, but paper.
Zoomzike: Shows paper mario designs
Sticker Star : AM I JOKE TO YOU ??
Answer: Yes you are (pls don't kill me)
Agreed on the outline but hyped for origami nonetheless.. The fighting system really turns me off a bit tho
I think the charm of the 1st three Paper Mario games comes from how it feels like you're immersed into a story book. The moment you start the game , a book is opened and the narration immediately draws you into the game's world. The visuals feel like you're controlling a character in a story and any wacky visuals you see, you can accept as being part of that game's world. The games felt like "Mario's Story" and I believe that's what the original title was called before it became "Paper Mario"
Sticker Star and games after get too meta with the paper aesthetic. The white outline for one makes it feel like a realistic Sticker you'd buy off Etsy or Redbubble. It literally feels like the playtime scenes with Andy from Toy Story. Paper Mario is being dragged around in some kid's toybox and that's why you see realistic items such as a plunger, desk fan, and scissors. These items are why the kid has around the house to aid Mario. Coins are used since the kid ran out of stickers for you to use and has to buy more. The kid also ran out of boss ideas so you're now fighting the child's Colored Pencils, Tape, and Rubber Bands. The game isn't "Mario's Story" anymore. On one hand the games feel nostalgic since this is something I'd probably imagine as a kid, but this immersion makes me feel uncomfortable since I play a videogame to escape reality. So if i want to play Origami King , Sticker Star, or Color Splash; then I just have to buy a white outlined "Paper Mario" sticker and have it fight office supplies or other "Stickers".
I kinda like the white outline
I just realize that what I call are Modern Paper Mario games are so different in their game direction and vision that it's closer now to a Yoshi's Wooly World than it is to Super Mario RPG, and feels like a reboot than a continuation to merit greivance from an OG fan. I just hope another company carries that "Mario Story" feel again, maybe even in a 3D style. Monolith Soft wants a lighter project. Hoping maybe they could think of it, hehe.
Nah, Out of all the Paper Mario Design I would Be Super Mario RPG 2 Mario design
2:11 Actually, this joke technically doesn’t work because Color Splash finished development months before the game was scheduled to come out.
I have the feeling that Paper Mario The Origami King is going to be Sticker Star 3
Totally Toxic all Paper Mario games have a “paper” reference in the title ;)
@@seandwalsh3 no?????? "Paper Mario 64" "Paper Mario The Thousand Years Door" "Super Paper Mario"
Sluka first “Paper” Mario, “Paper” Mario: the Thousand Year Door, Super “Paper” Mario, heh 😏
Brady Burkett The battle system looks great, but if there is no XP system, then that will almost ruin the whole game. No XP system would completely defeat the purpose of engaging with the game’s main mechanic.
@@seandwalsh3 jokes on you paper mario 64 is called "Mario's Story" in japan, so technically not every paper mario titles have a paper reference in the title, also we were talking about the subtitle, not the actual game title
If only there was a game between Super Paper Mario and Color Splash that used Color Splash's design without the white outlines.
I don’t get what’s wrong with the white outline. It actually feels like paper!
Agree, they look like paper cutouts.
The second i saw the bosses as a tape roll, colored pencils, and some string, i lost all hope. Pack it up boys the devs traded character personality for puns and paper AGAIN
The battle system looks nice though
There's more bosses than that we saw a Phoenix, ice Dragon, and a Gaint turtle
I just want to hold on to that hope again. There's other bosses, I mean, maybe beating the "Arts and Crafts bosses" gets you the paper abilities?
Well now that the game is out, we can certainly say the legion of stationary definitely had personality.
My favorite is either TTYD or...
Color Splash.
Have you tried Bug Fables? It's honestly scratched nearly every itch I have for a new classic-style Paper Mario. I'll admit there *is* some missing production value and polishing that you would see in the earlier Paper Marios, but it still captures a lot of the same charm and even makes some improvements in the challenge & battle gameplay. Overall I'd be happy if the devs just make more Bug Fables and Paper Mario just at least tries to be a good game if not purely classic style.
**Warning wall of text incoming**
Many people might already know this but I just want to mention, I think the reason why the paper mario series has been more focus around the paper theme because some of the people who worked on the old series moved out, and the ones who are working on the newer series are just having fun with it instead of doing it for the fans, not saying it's a bad thing because they do show effort to what their making but they don't know what the fans want sence not a lot of them have seen the older games.
Personally, I like the white outline in the more recent games
old schooler forever, but clean kid is pretty good too
I absolutely love Thousand Year Door and I miss the combat. Really couldn’t get much of a feel for the battles in Origami.
This channel is REALLY good. Very underrated
Ah, of course, they must've simply forgotten to include a black outline on top of the white one!
Easy mistake, such a shame we couldn't play the authentic double-outlined Paper Mario of our dreams.
...what if I want the L? Can I have it back?
*CAN I HAVE TWO?!*
Watch the Corona Mountain video and do the no no to get an L
Honestly the wii is my favorite. I find that the stubbier body ad lowerd hat gives mario a tiny bit more charecter.
(Also nostalgia but shut up)
Hey, I earned that L! Give it back!
I actually like the white outline. Please don't rip me to shreads. That would be tearible.
Maybe the Origami King bosses have more meaning than just being jokes about paper.
All of the bosses that were shown in the trailer are materials that make up the fabric of the story book world of Paper Mario. Now, Mario needs to confront the makers of his invaded world to change things for the better.
Maybe Oli wanted to make everything become origami so that he may have substance and 3D form; and then move on to the next world if he succeeds, that of the 3D Super Mario games.
Either way, imo the boss mechanics looks interesting so I don't really care too much on their design.
Omg the Mario outline was my first thought during the origami king trailers
Clearly unpopular opinion, but I actually like white outline paper Mario, I understand that it’s fueling the whole “game must be centered around paper” thing but I still think it looks good
I think so as well!!
In Super Paper Mario, Mario is being looked at from a 2D perspective. His arms and shoes are aligned instead of the back ones being higher than the front ones. This is also why his hat appears lower.
I for one love the Color Splash style. I can understand and agree with most other criticisms of the game, but the art style is not one of them. If they ever remake the older Paper Mario games, I would want them to look like Color Splash and the Origami King.
I like the while out line it's even in paper jam I just think it looks better but I do like thousand year doors disgin to
>:( >:)
Color Splash wouldn't work without the outlines despite everything everyone says. It's the one thing that sells the fact they are made out of paper. Imagine just the slight bending forward and back Mario does in his Idle Animations without it.
If you're looking for a pretty stellar Paper Mario-eque game, I recommend you check out Bug Fables, if you haven't already.
i havent managed to get into paper mario that much, but ive watched countless videos from Stryder7x and TTYD TASes from Malleo, those games are really something special even ignoring the glitches (which is still a positive for me lol)
I'm loving the daily videos
How am I supposed to say that I "ove you" without my etter?
FIND A SYNONYM
And how are we su__osed to say Doo__iss? We were a_ready missing a _etter
Thank goodness. I was struggling to find a place to store that L.
Imagine If Buzzfeed does a personality test based on Paper Mario designs?
I like how he didn’t talk about sticker star at all because we don’t talk about that one
Loved the vid bro. Easily an old schooler here. I haven't bought a PM game since sticker star I'm kinda hoping that they're able to make it a great rpg that has charm. Can't wait till the next June Zoom
I was also concerned by the real items bosses. Their existence alone is incredibly meta and there’s several ones, so this is actually a thing now rather than a one-off joke like the steak. Even if they actually wrote in a heartwarming little story with King Ollie and his sister, I don’t think it would have the same impact as the events from previous games after ridiculous bosses like that. Worst case scenario it would be like Sonic Lost World where it’s clearly trying to do a thing with these characters, but also includes stupid shit like Cubot or the Deadly Six which leaves no time for them to actually do anything meaningful. These kind of things just indicate that this game and its content is clearly not meant to be taken seriously, if there is anything heartwarming it it, it would probably be fanservice more than anything else.
But that’s just me being pessimistic. I want Origami King to be good, but I‘m also concerned.
Am I seriously the only one who likes the white outline
You're not the only one, I somehow feel attacked because I like how the white outlines look.
Opinion from someone who has never played paper mario:
The white outline looks better since it makes him look more like a paper cutout.
That's kinda what I don't like. When you look at a drawing on a piece of paper, at no point do you need a white outline to remind you that you're looking at a piece of paper. The overall look and texture of the paper already tells you that, the white outline takes away all the subtly of it, like if I included "Movie" in the title of my movie, or "Game" in the title of my game.
@ZoomZike Yeah but the thing is that he isn’t on a large piece of paper. When you see him alone in the old version you don’t think “paper mario” you think “flat mario”. The white makes it look like a margin of the paper has been left around mario.
I'm not sure if this is a channel dedicated to making viewers feel bad by having a different opinion.
I see you left a lot of comments about this stuff, are you joking around or serious?
I don't make videos with the intentions you're talking about, that'd be mean.
@@zoomzike not really i was being salty, sorry.
i like the white outline :(
Agree, it's just that it's related to a game that not as much people like.