Good comparison…but just look at the difference under the curve. Mamo set up is almost 200 lb/ft more in low/mid range. It’s only above 5500 rpm when the the slight increase in power is present.
@@RaceProvenMotorsports you’re right, I was reading the graph wrong. But Mamo’s setup does make 30-40 more hp before 5k rpm. Also it seems that you’re setup is more of a top end package. The dyno pull cuts out 500 rpm early on the Mamo setup. It would help if the rpm was posted with the graph.
Steve, when are you going to learn that you need to STOP reading the internet comments when they ridicule your dyno comparisons. You guys have a good shop and youtube channel to cover it so don't let the negativiety get to you boys. Just love watching the guys tear down and rebuild them corvettes. Love watching Fran on the dyno with his wise cracks.
Let me first say, you guys have a very well sorted package for these cars... But right off the bat, Mamo package car has clutch issues....not a fair comparison. Do you have cam specs for Mamo setup? Can see where torque falls off much earlier than the RPM car. I would assume it either has a smaller cam vs RPM B3, or clutch is slipping up top. I would love to see what it makes if you guys get that junk LS7 clutch outta there and try it again. Keep up the good work and great content!!
The clutch was not slipping it has an aftermarket clutch, the peddle was sticking, big difference. Also that Mamo car has a higher compression engine in it that should make WAY more then a stock LS7. Also yes its obvious the Mamo cam makes power differently as you can see in the graph. The point was to show the differences.
@@RaceProvenMotorsports Yep and I get what you guys were trying to show, and yes it's a built bottom end with high compression, but something doesn't add up here if you're claiming a true comparison, and I just think it puts a bad/false rep on a Mamo setup. You guys for sure have seen the sticky pedal issue before, and a lot of us have gone through the same...I chased the hydraulics first, but it turned out to be a bad pressure plate letting go @ high rpm which was costing me at least 20whp on a bolt on LS1 car! It is what it is, and both cars make what they make, but probably more than a few people watching this have seen pump gas Mamo setups with a tad less compression knock down 640-650 whp with cam timing close to the RPM B3. Also need to account for the quality of parts you get with a typical Mamo setup, not just power numbers. Anyways, hope both owners are happy! You guys have a killer setup that clearly works well, and a tuner who really knows what he's doing (or appears to)... Keep em coming!! :D
You basically summed up what I was going to comment so thanks for that lol. I actually purchased the B3 cam to go with my MAMO heads/Intake bolt on car but killed #7 before I got that far (bad tune). Sold the cam cause I'm going 468 now and it wont be big enough but yea I dont know what all differences there are but the torque fell off earlier on the MAMO setup and thus HP/RPM didnt run out like i would have expected. I'm leaning towards smaller cam specs on that setup because the heads are capable. Either way I love the comparison, just with the specs(cam, etc) on everything were there so a guy could really use the data to his benefit. Either way I love the episodes and your "max effort stage 3" package is badass
Awesome. I have two different Head and Cam Ls6s both aftermarket heads and big cams. They like 28-30 degrees in winter and 26-28 summer here in Central Florida. One has 13 degree Prc heads the other AFRs. Both at 11.2 compression fly cut.
@@wesleybeeson1818 honestly I like both. I can't really say which I like more. Neither have the same Cam and one is a C5z the other a Som SS. I will say I've raced about 20-30 ported stock casting cars and have never lost to one. Only other Head and Cam 346 deal's that run as good are TFS headed cars or Mast 11 degree. 490-500 rwhp out of a 346 is a hard goal for some.
That's quite strange for a mamo setup to make such a low power figure. These make about 680rwhp. Someone down here in Australia made 700rwhp in an lsx 454 using his ls7 top end package and with a streetable camshaft.
@@RaceProvenMotorsports That's a strange comment to make. I was the same as you at one stage but after seeing it with my own eyes on two independent dynos it is true. The final power figure for that 454 was actually 708rwhp using a solid roller 259/265 113LSA camshaft. One dyno was 708 and the other was 703rwhp. There are countless others on the thread also so they must also be incorrect according to you.
@@mrmysterious6006 not strange at all, just may not be able to make that figure on RPM's dyno. You are also talking about solid roller Vs hyd, what other differences are there in combos? Such as 454 Vs 427 etc. Back to back comparison on same dyno is a bit hard to refute. Comparing results between different combo's on different dyno's on the other side of the world is like comparing a koala to a kangaroo (only similarity is they both start with k.......). PS, I am in New Zealand and have a C6Z06 that makes 550rwhp & 500rwtq on a Mainline dyno. I dont even bother trying to compare this to likes of RPM's numbers as it is totally irrelevant. You have what you have on the dyno that measured it, thats it😎
RaceProvenMotorsports do both of the Z’s have upgraded injectors? Do you ever run Mamo on stock injectors with Vararam, stock TB, heads, cam, headers/pipe or is there a duty cycle concern?
Awsome episode..great to see suspension upgrade install.. I have the 1LE but been thinking to replace the bushings and control arms.have to save.more$$$$..lol
Really want to know that car rides and handles after those bushing. Nice set of tools Matt has to install them. Didn't you do a Mamo car a few months ago with his H/C/I that put out about 640 or more HP?
Cyber Grey Metallic has a lot of blue fleck in it (at least mine does) but, yeah, it definitely doesn't look great on film. He powder-coated the intake that same blue but he needs to do the calipers to match and... maybe. Probably not. Cheers.
Fran is the best you might be ass but ya can def tell RPM is by far the best at what they do no other company out there is even in the same realm of comparison
Gawddamn, that dudes high compression ls7 with heads/cam & FBO still only making the power of rpm heads/cam package with stock intake and shortblock lol
Props to you guys for letting techs work comfortably and in shorts and gym shoes. Always thought those gross hot mechanics clothes were terrible to work in.
Good comparison…but just look at the difference under the curve. Mamo set up is almost 200 lb/ft more in low/mid range. It’s only above 5500 rpm when the the slight increase in power is present.
Umm what? Haha. You must be reading something wrong
@@RaceProvenMotorsports you’re right, I was reading the graph wrong. But Mamo’s setup does make 30-40 more hp before 5k rpm. Also it seems that you’re setup is more of a top end package. The dyno pull cuts out 500 rpm early on the Mamo setup. It would help if the rpm was posted with the graph.
Damn I had 28 degree timing in my ls6 lol
Ls6 is diff than ls7
Is the jaggedness of the Mamo Dyno showing valve float from the yella Terra’s rockers?
Matt is an artist. There's no other way to put it, cleanest installs ever.
Or a a intake shootout that be interesting
"Yes..that's how I keep the F*ckin rods inside the goddamn block, that's how I do that" haha, He and HP Tuners need shirts made with that statement!
Steve, when are you going to learn that you need to STOP reading the internet comments when they ridicule your dyno comparisons. You guys have a good shop and youtube channel to cover it so don't let the negativiety get to you boys. Just love watching the guys tear down and rebuild them corvettes. Love watching Fran on the dyno with his wise cracks.
Hopefully I get to see yalls heads & cam package but wit a Holley hi ram, igz customers don’t like the no hood look.
Let me first say, you guys have a very well sorted package for these cars...
But right off the bat, Mamo package car has clutch issues....not a fair comparison.
Do you have cam specs for Mamo setup? Can see where torque falls off much earlier than the RPM car.
I would assume it either has a smaller cam vs RPM B3, or clutch is slipping up top.
I would love to see what it makes if you guys get that junk LS7 clutch outta there and try it again.
Keep up the good work and great content!!
The clutch was not slipping it has an aftermarket clutch, the peddle was sticking, big difference. Also that Mamo car has a higher compression engine in it that should make WAY more then a stock LS7. Also yes its obvious the Mamo cam makes power differently as you can see in the graph. The point was to show the differences.
@@RaceProvenMotorsports
Yep and I get what you guys were trying to show, and yes it's a built bottom end with high compression, but something doesn't add up here if you're claiming a true comparison, and I just think it puts a bad/false rep on a Mamo setup.
You guys for sure have seen the sticky pedal issue before, and a lot of us have gone through the same...I chased the hydraulics first, but it turned out to be a bad pressure plate letting go @ high rpm which was costing me at least 20whp on a bolt on LS1 car!
It is what it is, and both cars make what they make, but probably more than a few people watching this have seen pump gas Mamo setups with a tad less compression knock down 640-650 whp with cam timing close to the RPM B3.
Also need to account for the quality of parts you get with a typical Mamo setup, not just power numbers.
Anyways, hope both owners are happy!
You guys have a killer setup that clearly works well, and a tuner who really knows what he's doing (or appears to)...
Keep em coming!! :D
You basically summed up what I was going to comment so thanks for that lol. I actually purchased the B3 cam to go with my MAMO heads/Intake bolt on car but killed #7 before I got that far (bad tune). Sold the cam cause I'm going 468 now and it wont be big enough but yea I dont know what all differences there are but the torque fell off earlier on the MAMO setup and thus HP/RPM didnt run out like i would have expected. I'm leaning towards smaller cam specs on that setup because the heads are capable. Either way I love the comparison, just with the specs(cam, etc) on everything were there so a guy could really use the data to his benefit. Either way I love the episodes and your "max effort stage 3" package is badass
What are the cam specs on both? I might of missed it.. Is the Mamo cam in the same ball park?
Awesome. I have two different Head and Cam Ls6s both aftermarket heads and big cams. They like 28-30 degrees in winter and 26-28 summer here in Central Florida. One has 13 degree Prc heads the other AFRs. Both at 11.2 compression fly cut.
Who would you recommend? Prc or afr?
@@wesleybeeson1818 honestly I like both. I can't really say which I like more. Neither have the same Cam and one is a C5z the other a Som SS. I will say I've raced about 20-30 ported stock casting cars and have never lost to one. Only other Head and Cam 346 deal's that run as good are TFS headed cars or Mast 11 degree. 490-500 rwhp out of a 346 is a hard goal for some.
I have a 15 camaro ls3 so not apples to apples but considering heads. So many options. PRC, AFR, AI, TFS, Mast, Brodix, Frankenstein, and more.
It just goes to show that RPM knows a thing or two about setting up a heads and cam package. The horsepower difference was no joke.
Matt makes me almost wish I needed bushings
Fran & Steve: It's not DDP; It's DX. That's like saying Hendrix made "War"...lol
D-Generation X
I don't know why, but watching Matt press in new bushings is oddly satisfying lol
Damn RPM H/C killing it
I always can appreciate a performance shop with a clean atmosphere
Hard working crew!
That's quite strange for a mamo setup to make such a low power figure.
These make about 680rwhp.
Someone down here in Australia made 700rwhp in an lsx 454 using his ls7 top end package and with a streetable camshaft.
No they do not make 680rwhp. Never have and never will
@@RaceProvenMotorsports That's a strange comment to make.
I was the same as you at one stage but after seeing it with my own eyes on two independent dynos it is true.
The final power figure for that 454 was actually 708rwhp using a solid roller 259/265 113LSA camshaft.
One dyno was 708 and the other was 703rwhp.
There are countless others on the thread also so they must also be incorrect according to you.
@@mrmysterious6006 not strange at all, just may not be able to make that figure on RPM's dyno. You are also talking about solid roller Vs hyd, what other differences are there in combos? Such as 454 Vs 427 etc. Back to back comparison on same dyno is a bit hard to refute. Comparing results between different combo's on different dyno's on the other side of the world is like comparing a koala to a kangaroo (only similarity is they both start with k.......). PS, I am in New Zealand and have a C6Z06 that makes 550rwhp & 500rwtq on a Mainline dyno. I dont even bother trying to compare this to likes of RPM's numbers as it is totally irrelevant. You have what you have on the dyno that measured it, thats it😎
Mannnn I don't miss putting the headers on my GTO lmao
I’m about to do it. Lol
@@shawnlack1527 good luck! those power steering lines are a royal pain
You guys ever test the B3 cam against some other popular bump sticks? I’m debating pulling the Lethal Z cam in favor of the B3.
Great videos, I’m relatively new to the channel. You guess might have already addressed this but why no C5 Zo6 builds, just curious?
atlking100 because they are 15 years old now and there has been a bunch of cool cars since they came out
@@BLACKLACDTS has to do with how shite they are to tune
Those blue wheels are mank.
It doesn't make as much power as your package makes but damn, that's a gorgeous car
Awesome vid as usual thanks guys!! Cant wait to see the 2020 Corvette cam and head swap!!!!
RaceProvenMotorsports do both of the Z’s have upgraded injectors? Do you ever run Mamo on stock injectors with Vararam, stock TB, heads, cam, headers/pipe or is there a duty cycle concern?
Awsome episode..great to see suspension upgrade install.. I have the 1LE but been thinking to replace the bushings and control arms.have to save.more$$$$..lol
Really want to know that car rides and handles after those bushing.
Nice set of tools Matt has to install them.
Didn't you do a Mamo car a few months ago with his H/C/I that put out about 640 or more HP?
Mamo intake manifold, all of the heads cam setups we do are our setups.
@@RaceProvenMotorsports
Thanks...I could be wrong.
Keep the video's coming
Great episode. But those blue wheels on the grey vette look like shite!
Cyber Grey Metallic has a lot of blue fleck in it (at least mine does) but, yeah, it definitely doesn't look great on film. He powder-coated the intake that same blue but he needs to do the calipers to match and... maybe. Probably not. Cheers.
The owner probably didn’t know he needed to impress you.
I love it
So whats everyones thoughts on the C8? Something you all are looking forward to?
It’s not electric so yeah I’m looking forward to it!
So much snark.
Haven’t watched but Advanced Inductions FTMFW
Ey
Great stance on the blue one whats the wheel and tire size?
You guys do good work but what your using to wipe that mean vette is garbage
Do you guys prefer the vararam over the halltech?
Mamo gonna stop sending intakes to RPM because of this episode.
Hey Guys! # DDP
Those rims are smoking hot!
Awesome videos for car guys, THANK YOU ALL!
I love it my guys rpm keep up work and love video💯💯💯💯💯💯💯👍 me Chevy gang all day for life
Took him a min to call out the exact same model of Forgeline wheels..
7:30 "how efficient" is very vague. The combustion chamber design and compression ratio have the greatest effect on initial timing requirements.
Fran is the best you might be ass but ya can def tell RPM is by far the best at what they do no other company out there is even in the same realm of comparison
Do the noisy slicks reduce the dyno number a little?
What the hell causes the dino to whine so loud during deceleration but only sometimes?
The drum brakes to slow the roller down
sometimes its the type of tire on the car.
@@rpm620 . If that was the case it would be on acceleration and deceleration not just one.
It's the tires, you can't hear on accel because of the exhaust noise.
Is this the stock clutch
With 600-630whp what would a C6Z run in the 1/4 with a good tire on it?
We have had customers do 9.8 at 142mph with our package including the msd and customers do 10.1 at 138mph with stock intake manifold.
Those blue wheels are sexy ✊💎
Theres like 3 sneezes on that rearview mirror.
Haaachuuu, I AIN'T CLEANING THAT
Where is the other fella,. Can't Remember his name though??
Wnat happened to the other guy i forgot his name the 3rd mechanic haven’t seen him in quite some episodes 😳
The 5th Gen Is Trick 😭
Contact Streetspeed, He just got another c7 ZR1 that needs some bolt ons and a tune.
Hows things with the EPA?
Could barely hear Steve in this episode, am I the only one?
I had on headphones heard everyone just fine.
Gawddamn, that dudes high compression ls7 with heads/cam & FBO still only making the power of rpm heads/cam package with stock intake and shortblock lol
Looks like the Mamo setup makes a bit more down low so my guess is its a milder cam. Either way MPH is the best way to tell.
Nice suspension work. Must be a little nerve-wracking doing everything on camera
Props to you guys for letting techs work comfortably and in shorts and gym shoes. Always thought those gross hot mechanics clothes were terrible to work in.
These are WCCH stage 2 heads? On the grey c6z with blue wheels
No, we always list mods 16:06 our heads cam package uses A.I. Heads
@@RaceProvenMotorsports Ah that's right. Thanks!