the clean lines at each cave in looks like the collapses were designed into the system. Need to get some miners in there to dig them out and see what is behind them.
Really beautiful tunnel system. The part that you can see that is… Glad to hear that the wine/champagne company also is curious about the cave ins and will let you dig around. Another great episode Tino. Leaves me with so many unanswered questions. Looking forward to learning more. 👍🏻
Thank you for sharing Tino. I find it difficult to believe this tunnel system was constructed so quickly by 500 men. It would require a very well organized group with excellent mining, concrete, electrical and masonry skills. Many modern core drills exist that could bore a hole through the rubble to allow a camera to view the void behind. This would greatly reduce moving large quantities of material and reduce the chance of damage to the structure until a discovery was made.
Great video Tino, the construction is quite different and I was thinking it was much earlier in just looking initially. Small horizontal boring machine and drill the dangerous collapse layers to ascertain length and allow camera access to other side. Personally wouldn't dig it until info in hand and shuttering long section would become expensive, pick the best one and shoot for a small shutter crawl investigation tunnel. So many other questions but there we go, great video thank you.
Oh yes - any abandoned place is a memory of someone doing something or building it. Like it or not history is history - cannot be changed or anything all that can be done is learning from it. Good stuff :) (y)
Jonastal S/III Jonastal was started but never finished. It was a series of underground complexes in central Thüringen, southeast of the city of Gotha (near the concentration camp at Ohrdruf, the first such camp found by the Americans on German soil). The project had several code names, depending on what part was meant, and the names also changed over time - the following names were used for all or part of this complex - Siegfried, Jasmin; the designations Olga, Burg, and S/III were sometimes used for the entire project area (including the Jonastal and the surrounding area); Olga was also the code name for the "Amt 10" communications center bunker at Ohrdruf. The main works were dug in two sections into a hill forming the north side of the Jonas Valley, between Crawinkel and Arnstadt. This part of the project was reportedly intended as a last-ditch headquarters facility for Hitler and his staff, should they fall back from Berlin into the interior of Germany (some reports say Hitler actually spent the end of March 1945 in this or another nearby underground Führer Headquarters). Other theories say this or a nearby site was intended for production of the intercontinental "Amerika" rocket, and even testing and production of a Nazi atomic bomb. Most of the Jonastal complex never advanced much further than the tunnel digging stage, and the Soviets blasted most of the tunnel entrances after the war. The exact purpose of this facility remains in doubt, as does its code-names ("Siegfried" and "Olga" may actually have been names of other sites).
That is a simple generalization of some of what was there the various communication bunkers had different code names some of which you are referring to however what is never mentioned is that the area was full of concentration camps and what is not mentioned is all the tunnels and tunnel systems unrelated to what we know in jonastal including the ties to the nuclear research that is fairly well documented but never mentioned in popular public literature there's a lot more to it than the unfinished tunnel systems we can see today which is what we are actually researching and trying to get to the bottom of
Thank you Tino for sharing this with us. I totally agree with you that there is much more to be gained by further exploration. My grandparents were German and neither did anything without a reason. So, why would others do anything without a good reason?. There is a lot of different things that do not add up. You take into account of all of the smallest details, as do I. I have lived and worked in Germany and earned my masters degree in marine engineering there. Most German people are very analytical and do pay attention to detail, as do you. I will look forward to the conclusion of this. Thank you again, kind regards from Laurajane in Taupo New Zealand
It appears large enough to get a small bobcat-style loader in there and dig out the collapse. Using Gator agricultural dump vehicles they could excavate and remove the clay then sure up the openings as they go. It might take a while but eventually, we could discover what has been hidden!
Totally agree with you - history should be preserved as we like it or not but it is history and those are monuments to the builders and for those who died and the coolest place for a bunkerholic like me - glad to see good use as wine cellar at least .
I've been in a similar tunnel system on Oahu, Hawaii bored into the mountains. The story goes that the US military build the tunnels after WW11 to hide ammunition stock piles from the "enemy". You can see evidence of ventilation systems, wiring, lighting. They are large enough for trucks and tanks. The "end" of the tunnel probably isn't the end. The system I was in on Oahu had "ends" of the tunnel but people had busted through the walls and the tunnels kept going.
Tino I'm a paratrooper myself 10 years service and will say fascinated with German soilders but not nazi ideogly but I must say is you're movie brother in wars was amazing best movie of all-time in my eyes my friend you brought memorys I'd lost but found again my soilder Freund's the the things we done together
Looks like a big electrical circuit, power on the right flowing around the circle to the other side and back. Maybe those tunnels carried the power cables.
Clear signs of purposely detonated tunnels, and great shot of the tunnel construction wher you go into the collapse. brickwork, being backfilled with stone and cement, makes a very strong train tunnel design. The tunnels can be repaired easily using Shotcrete and rebar.
Seeing a lot of tunnels but no rooms. Factory for small items were sometimes in tunnels but you still need rooms for admin and material storage. Also many of the plans turned over after the war were outdated or deliberately wrong so its hard to depend on your maps.
Tino, nice job as always. No Agent Orange please, lost far too many brothers to it. Use DDT instead. If there is an attempt to clear an area, I would like to offer a pair of our narrow vein electric mining robots. They are remote or autonomously controlled. Take care and again nice job.
It would be interesting to see on the layout where the roof falls are. I can’t imagine what purpose this labyrinth was built for especially the circular area. 👍
Another Awesome video, 💯👍👍 and I so agree with u that they are and should not 😡🤬destroy 🤬😡 those tunnels or anything that had to do with WW2, 👀 It is HISTORY 👀 and should never be destroyed in fact it should be Made safe and restored if possible Even tho it is expensive to do so. but they could actually clean it up a bit maybe some fresh paint idk but they could make it a Tourist 👀👍 attraction and charge a fee to enter and tour, and they could use the 🤑💰MONEY🤑💰 from Fee's💰🤑 to do the renovations. Absolutely Fascinated with WW2 History. Again Very Good Video. Sending Gas and Good Vibes. ☮ Peace brother.☮
Tino I love your documentaries it's about history the numbers don't add up your right there all bigger than what you are finding especially if say at some places 30000 people were involved
That is an interesting question. To be self contained there has to be power generation room. There also needs to furnaces to heat the steel for bearing production. If you have furnaces and trucks running through the tunnels then you need excellent ventilation. Carbon monoxide is a silent killer. Had you considered getting on of those laser mapping devices? Any roads thanks for yet another really interesting historical video.
so love to get in there with a Bobcat and clear the way to see what may be hiding, even if just to make safer and tape off - seems to me that the red brick tunnels may have been an earlier use, perhaps shelters, and then someone, them Germans take over and dig further in to the hills to provide factory use - many tunnels seem to be both concrete and brick mix, i wonder if this might be to demolish at certain points in case of enemy attack and take over i guess its possible some damage was inflicted on the the tunnels and perhaps later back filled or from above, as you suggest the supposed cave ins look wrong, if it was natural like some of the others, there would be a natural void above or aside Ah i like the last comment, help to discover more tunnels, yes
I agree patch mack. I have been to this part of Germany and wine is big business. Frankensekt wine is not cheap. The red brick tunnels are old, built for wine storage. The cement extensions from WW2 were for a different purpose.
I just uploaded that map to my patreon I will upload it here on UA-cam as well as to my website in a few days :-) I didn't finish it until after the episode aired sorry
The short utility tunnels may have been temp. supplying power from gen. at start. The interior would still need major power. Some lidar images of the top surface of mountain might reveal shafts for ventilation/exhaust.
Actually clay is somewhat impervious to moisture so would help seal the tunnels from leaks and flooding. It looks looks like their surprisingly dry inside compared to rock etc. tunnels elsewhere. I am aware there is always some moisture content to all materials clay and concrete as well.
Partially right about clay. BUT what you can audibly all the way through when Timo is not talking; is water dripping!!! It’s a deliberate collapse. Power feed into the centre and also rail right through one of the collapses. Underground explosion test site( collapses) and the mountain clay and red rock comes down hiding the evidence. The explosion detonates outwards finding the path of least resistance -- the tunnels and ejection ( the material thrown away from the centre of an explosion).
What is also v satisfying is the total lack of of graffiti spraying. Obviously from a security point of view, the local community are looking after the whole thing.
Round central area appears to be a possible launch point for discs in production. In Poland there are stone bench like electromagnetic coils with enormous 2 ft wide cable raceways leading down into the mine where they generated electro gravitic frequencies and attempted to transmit through the very heavy cables up to the megalithic sized Stonehenge shaped structures which if examined will be seen to contain conductive cabling through their structures. So they produce the gravity frequency with the l and then attempted to transfer to the surface to the structures they would have had a craft shaped like the plant flying discs sitting on that structure and the test would have been to controllably lift its mass ...
Around that 29 minute mark, that tunnel looks like a work space. The trench in the floor probably once carried "services"; electricity, water, compressed air and probably, drainage. Furthermore, once you start operating more than a few simple, low-powered machines, you need to start installing industrial-grade three-phase electrical distribution. Even a single machine requiring a steady use of more than one horsepower will require three-phase electricity for efficiency and reliability. I would be looking in the immediate vicinity of those tunnels for evidence of an electrical substation and high-voltage transmission lines coming from elsewhere. The trench is also "offset" from the centre, thus allowing space on one side to install the raised "pads" to which machinery would be bolted for stability. Not necessarily big machines, because those are usually set on specially prepared, reinforced concrete blocks that can extend several metres into the ground. More rigid mass; less vibration. Less vibration; less mechanical stress on both the machinery AND the surrounding structure, (AND less tiring stress on the people operating the equipment). A most intriguing place and a good coverage of it; please keep digging!
Most impressive set of deductions, properly extensive yet, no waste of words. You're hired, well done. Physically speaking, these tunnels are just that, tunnels. They might never have been used and those reddish clay mounds may have simply been caused by a construction mistake that may have led to be abandonment of the structure before it was even completed, who knows really. But with a solid background in historical and technical research, a mind that can assemble realistic images out of that data, a proper and justifiable use of informed speculation and suddenly, the lights come on and a million fascinating things may have been conceived or created in those mystic paths, where one can almost feel a weak, but undeniable energy coming from these walls... well, at least an emotion. : ) I really enjoyed your comment, thanks.
Tino, it would be good to go through the blocked up and bricked up walls with a hammer drill and a cctv probe and see what is on the other side. Assuming the other side isn't accessible by other tunnels. Who owns this property and would it difficult to get permission to drill small inspection Tunnels? Maybe use local prisoners to excavate the collapsed sections, where safe,, for a small wage.
I’ve noticed about the cave ins how you talk about them being uniform. Has there been any thought given to whether they might have been planned into the original design as ready to fail points in case of a offensive intrusion. And can a prearranged fail safe point have been built into the other tunnel systems you’ve visited. You have talked about civilian demolition and military and allied demolition. I am intrigued with Reise and others where they have been almost been described as a working machine and not simply a manufacturing facility. Seems I recall talk of Teslas experiments in the US with tunnels that had something to do with electrical transmission. I am really grasping here as all I know I’ve heard basically from your descriptions and Dr Farrell. But some of the thinking in these designs seems pretty far outside the box.
Agree with others regarding more excavation of the "cave ins", it could be too dangerous to attempt though. The amount of effort to backfill the suspected areas must have been monumental, you could spend years removing the clay and find that it was nothing but clay, on the other hand it could be a regretful experience.
But that is the Gamble 70% of the time you go under the wire or spend time digging for something that may be there you find nothing but that's not reason to not try at least it's a way of Crossing things off lists
I suspect new walls is constructed across the tunnels but they look suspicious so best drop the roofs to hide the new wall's then it becomes a safe wine cellar
Tino, Not that you need one but seeing you Tino, tenaciously trapse throughout these treacherous tunnels time & time again* just made me think of a nickname or shorter derivative. "Tino The Troglodyte" or "TeeCubed" ("T³" or "T2Th3" ) or "T&T&T" or "TnTnT" all just a potential "Call Sign" or whatever. BONUS Band name (Below) "Tino & The Troglodytes" Cool band name... "Tina & The Troglodykes" Also a Cool band name. *Illiteration record I used the letter 'T' nine times illiteratively, a personal best. Thanks for all the mucking around underground and musing, my mind needed that. Keep fighting that good fight, you are winning!
try to find someone to drill through the collapsed clay. put the tube in and you can send the camera to the other side. clay should be relatively easy to drill, of course some larger stones are also there.
In Thüringen there were the TKF Thüringer Kugellagerfabriken they still make excellent ball bearings today in Zella Mehlis Thrunigia, we know that Nazis experimented with Uranium and Thorium in spherical shape, maybe the Kugelfischer Company made production machines for producing Uranium balls? After the war Diebner experimented in Geesthacht near Hamburg with a "Kugelhaufen-Reactor" that also used 6cm large uranium balls.
Thanks Tino, Yet a crew of 6 guys and a directional bore would let you see whats on the other side of those collapses, Just add a video head to the end and push it in .
The way things are going between natural disasters, climate change and war, they should be repurposing all these places not burying them. We might need places like this quicker than we think.
Btw. climate change is a communist hoax. They admitted it already and everyone knows it since the marxists installed their CoR. The communist bury those places out of the same reasons they wage war against the people. Destruction of society, seizing land, cutting of food and energy supply and so on. Shelter or useful places is of course and logically the last they want the People to have. Otherwise you are right. We should repurposing these places. Even just for using them because they are there and it's a waste not using them. And we do need those places indeed very quickly. we are in the midst of war already and it will be bloody and quite horrible more sooner than the average sleeping sheeps are aware of.
I'm sorry, i just have to say it... That is A LOT of white paint! Amazing system, would love to do some minimally- invasive boring through those collapses...just to see what they were trying to hide.
After all of your other videos, my own opinion is that is not natural cave ins. they were to round and it looks like that they drilled a central hole, packed it with tnt. I will take a guess that they probably done it more than just the end of the tunnel. probability a series of them. That would be what I would have done. They knew that people would try to clear it and what is the best way to discourage some one, as soon as you can get through one, you see another. The government knew that if they won, they could just use force labor to clear it
I disagree that those two large cracks that were across from one another where that tunnel joined the other was caused by an explosion. It looks like the tunnel settled naturally or from water erosion taking the subgrade away causing the tunnel to settle. I've seen brick walls on houses and other structures do this from the foundation under them settling. For some reason where the wall cracks it seems to separate at the bottom and push together, even bowing in or out; at the top from pushing together with so much force. Then there's a crack in the tunnel wall across from that intersection to the left if standing with the tunnel that has the two cracks to your right. That just makes me think that that intersection where the tunnel is cracked so wide at the bottom has settled there where the tunnel starts. If you would have had a level you could have put it on the floor and seen if the intersection areas floor was sloping that way. It looks like those intersections are very heavy sections and would be susceptible to sinking, settling faster than the tunnels.
I thought I saw 'shear' (which supports your comment) mind you I too am an engineer (although a 'Virtual' one since I do mostly SW & SQA, lately more 'Domestic engineering projects'. ;)
There’s thing being hidden, for sure. I’d map the tunnels and look at an areal view of the mountain to find the most probably connection to another section. I wouldn’t dig it all though. Instead I’d hire a company that does ground works and know how to push metal tubes underground from point a to point b, like they do in Belgium for communication and power cables. Les work, less risk triggering another collapse. Once a tube/pipe gets through the rubble they can blow the pipes empty with a compressor and insert a camera to see what’s on the other side.
Isn't it strange that there is nothing for ventilation? In other tunnels that were only for labor and machines, there is a whole second floor just for ventilation. And here, where they supposedly drove old, stinky diesel trucks through, there is nothing?
@@joeg875 But the uncollapsed area is too big. The exhausts wouldn't get out. Something it not right with the whole story. Such a heavy truck traffic would only make sense in a storrage facillity. But why would they collaps a storrage so heavily? And the "roundabout" is very big just for turning trucks.
No in coal mines they don't need it as long as have more than 1 entrance to create a circulation of air with 1 centralized central fan to create the air gust to feed the whole mine.Coal mines are mined like this if off the face of a mountain and bot open pit or a sunk shaft, so it's actually makes sense
Tino, while watching this episode, I was wondering was there a place/city/town in Germany that wasn't affected during WWII? Where life kept going on while there was war all around?
Generally not really however smaller rural communities were less affected than the bigger cities of course but completely unaffected negatively or positively I don't think would have been possible even if there were no War Industry or had been no increase or decrease in Harvest needs the young Sons would still have been called up the young women will still have been asked to serve as nurses or refugees might have shown up from the bigger cities or from the East but certainly there were places that were lesser affected and not bombed or fought over
Yes, indeed there was such a place. Dresden until the terror bombing in Februar 1945. Other than this quite significant town, life was going on everwhere unless it got overrun by enemies or bombed out completely. But even in Berlin for instance, destroyed by mainly bombing campaigns on living quarters (production areas were largely unaffected of course) life was going on (and even public traffic, electricity and water supply were up and running, at least until the Russians came. Then it was cut off.). There were some villages which were not bombed before or shelled after the front closed in, but an all out war is actually affecting every place, not to mention the people. So, i at least wouldn't know any place which didn't suffer during and after the war.
Is he going to leave us hanging with the ball bearings story? There's only a few minutes left, certainly looks like it... 90 secs, still nothing... 45... I think he is... 30.... WAIT, I hear something... 20, 15, 10, 9, 8, 7,... IT'S OVER, and we're left with tons of ball bearings on our minds... AAAHHHHH... NNNOOOO... TORTURE... NOT THIS... PLEASE...
@Lost Battlefields w Timo Struckman Being veteran British military; no cabling supports on the wall after so far? Because they then use the cabling channel in the floor Modern military bunkers use the same technique. It’s done for protection of the cabling Another possibility? A rotunda; as you’ve said before about a Nazi super weapon. So vehicles could drive in with “the weapon. If they made it; it has to be detonated by explosives around the sphere. The rotunda. Cabling and rail from all directions runs to the centre! You get it now? What better way to hide it than underground, under reinforced concrete. And then cause a natural collapse after detonation? Your other videos and the white chalk quarries; rails leading in and you not being allowed access as it goes under a now military training area I think you’re 2/3rds of the way there already . If it’s not the super weapon? Then possibly Amber room or the list Reichs gold that they never find. In the centre. Can’t be got to. Because the mountain has been de-stabilised Great stuff. KEEP DIGGING
"Ball bearing factory"..."the machines that make the ball bearings"... sounds like they're talking in code so they can talk openly without revealing what what really going on down there. The ball bearing production was likely a front for something far more significant I'm thinking! Those collapses; you've been in enough of these tunnels to know the difference Tino: No way those are natural or accidental. too neat and uniform.
Well if we can't get any of the documentation papers or clarification it is by definition a secret and if it was developed by the SS one could honestly say it is a Nazi Secret:-) although I suppose by now it would be considered a CIA secret lol
Germans sure knew how to build underground tunnels imagine f they had all these built prior to starting a war . Allied bombers would have no chance destroying these places
the clean lines at each cave in looks like the collapses were designed into the system. Need to get some miners in there to dig them out and see what is behind them.
Really beautiful tunnel system. The part that you can see that is… Glad to hear that the wine/champagne company also is curious about the cave ins and will let you dig around. Another great episode Tino. Leaves me with so many unanswered questions. Looking forward to learning more. 👍🏻
at 53:47 everytime I see a flat roof in a tunnel, I suspect there's something above
Thank you for sharing Tino. I find it difficult to believe this tunnel system was constructed so quickly by 500 men. It would require a very well organized group with excellent mining, concrete, electrical and masonry skills. Many modern core drills exist that could bore a hole through the rubble to allow a camera to view the void behind. This would greatly reduce moving large quantities of material and reduce the chance of damage to the structure until a discovery was made.
Great video Tino, the construction is quite different and I was thinking it was much earlier in just looking initially. Small horizontal boring machine and drill the dangerous collapse layers to ascertain length and allow camera access to other side. Personally wouldn't dig it until info in hand and shuttering long section would become expensive, pick the best one and shoot for a small shutter crawl investigation tunnel.
So many other questions but there we go, great video thank you.
Oh yes - any abandoned place is a memory of someone doing something or building it. Like it or not history is history - cannot be changed or anything all that can be done is learning from it. Good stuff :) (y)
Jonastal S/III
Jonastal was started but never finished. It was a series of underground complexes in central Thüringen, southeast of the city of Gotha (near the concentration camp at Ohrdruf, the first such camp found by the Americans on German soil).
The project had several code names, depending on what part was meant, and the names also changed over time - the following names were used for all or part of this complex - Siegfried, Jasmin; the designations Olga, Burg, and S/III were sometimes used for the entire project area (including the Jonastal and the surrounding area);
Olga was also the code name for the "Amt 10" communications center bunker at Ohrdruf. The main works were dug in two sections into a hill forming the north side of the Jonas Valley, between Crawinkel and Arnstadt. This part of the project was reportedly intended as a last-ditch headquarters facility for Hitler and his staff, should they fall back from Berlin into the interior of Germany (some reports say Hitler actually spent the end of March 1945 in this or another nearby underground Führer Headquarters).
Other theories say this or a nearby site was intended for production of the intercontinental "Amerika" rocket, and even testing and production of a Nazi atomic bomb.
Most of the Jonastal complex never advanced much further than the tunnel digging stage, and the Soviets blasted most of the tunnel entrances after the war. The exact purpose of this facility remains in doubt, as does its code-names ("Siegfried" and "Olga" may actually have been names of other sites).
That's not in Jonastal. That's the U-Verlagerung KIES near Schweinfurt.
That is a simple generalization of some of what was there the various communication bunkers had different code names some of which you are referring to however what is never mentioned is that the area was full of concentration camps and what is not mentioned is all the tunnels and tunnel systems unrelated to what we know in jonastal including the ties to the nuclear research that is fairly well documented but never mentioned in popular public literature there's a lot more to it than the unfinished tunnel systems we can see today which is what we are actually researching and trying to get to the bottom of
Seriously, the Germsns did amazing work....
Thank you Tino for sharing this with us. I totally agree with you that there is much more to be gained by further exploration. My grandparents were German and neither did anything without a reason. So, why would others do anything without a good reason?. There is a lot of different things that do not add up. You take into account of all of the smallest details, as do I. I have lived and worked in Germany and earned my masters degree in marine engineering there. Most German people are very analytical and do pay attention to detail, as do you. I will look forward to the conclusion of this. Thank you again, kind regards from Laurajane in Taupo New Zealand
It appears large enough to get a small bobcat-style loader in there and dig out the collapse. Using Gator agricultural dump vehicles they could excavate and remove the clay then sure up the openings as they go. It might take a while but eventually, we could discover what has been hidden!
Totally agree with you - history should be preserved as we like it or not but it is history and those are monuments to the builders and for those who died and the coolest place for a bunkerholic like me - glad to see good use as wine cellar at least .
I've been in a similar tunnel system on Oahu, Hawaii bored into the mountains. The story goes that the US military build the tunnels after WW11 to hide ammunition stock piles from the "enemy". You can see evidence of ventilation systems, wiring, lighting. They are large enough for trucks and tanks. The "end" of the tunnel probably isn't the end. The system I was in on Oahu had "ends" of the tunnel but people had busted through the walls and the tunnels kept going.
Tino I'm a paratrooper myself 10 years service and will say fascinated with German soilders but not nazi ideogly but I must say is you're movie brother in wars was amazing best movie of all-time in my eyes my friend you brought memorys I'd lost but found again my soilder Freund's the the things we done together
electric guitar solo's would sound awesome down there! another great video tino!
Looks like a big electrical circuit, power on the right flowing around the circle to the other side and back. Maybe those tunnels carried the power cables.
Clear signs of purposely detonated tunnels, and great shot of the tunnel construction wher you go into the collapse. brickwork, being backfilled with stone and cement, makes a very strong train tunnel design. The tunnels can be repaired easily using Shotcrete and rebar.
Dad worked in W German bunker, RCAF..3 WING, '63-'68
Beautifully built
Seeing a lot of tunnels but no rooms. Factory for small items were sometimes in tunnels but you still need rooms for admin and material storage. Also many of the plans turned over after the war were outdated or deliberately wrong so its hard to depend on your maps.
Definitely need to come in there on those collapses and check it with ground penetrating radar see how far the collapse goes
Some of those "cave ins" look more like they were back filled with a bulldozer.
I am glad you can go where we can't physically or otherwise. Thanks
Thanks!
Thank you Tino for another fascinating video 👍
Tino, nice job as always. No Agent Orange please, lost far too many brothers to it. Use DDT instead. If there is an attempt to clear an area, I would like to offer a pair of our narrow vein electric mining robots. They are remote or autonomously controlled. Take care and again nice job.
It would be interesting to see on the layout where the roof falls are. I can’t imagine what purpose this labyrinth was built for especially the circular area. 👍
Another Awesome video, 💯👍👍 and I so agree with u that they are and should not 😡🤬destroy 🤬😡 those tunnels or anything that had to do with WW2, 👀 It is HISTORY 👀 and should never be destroyed in fact it should be Made safe and restored if possible Even tho it is expensive to do so. but they could actually clean it up a bit maybe some fresh paint idk but they could make it a Tourist 👀👍 attraction and charge a fee to enter and tour, and they could use the 🤑💰MONEY🤑💰 from Fee's💰🤑 to do the renovations. Absolutely Fascinated with WW2 History. Again Very Good Video. Sending Gas and Good Vibes. ☮ Peace brother.☮
Another amazing video, thanks Tino.
Tino I love your documentaries it's about history the numbers don't add up your right there all bigger than what you are finding especially if say at some places 30000 people were involved
So looking forward to seeing this
Awesome episode, thank you for sharing 😊👍
That is an interesting question. To be self contained there has to be power generation room. There also needs to furnaces to heat the steel for bearing production. If you have furnaces and trucks running through the tunnels then you need excellent ventilation. Carbon monoxide is a silent killer.
Had you considered getting on of those laser mapping devices?
Any roads thanks for yet another really interesting historical video.
SKF (Wallenberg) had 20-30% of ball bearing production in the occupied area. Plus SKF delivers gears to Enigma machines.
The Americans bombed German aircraft production too but the Germans actually increased their production immensely in spite of it.
Teuton's take a lickin but keep on tickin.✊
so love to get in there with a Bobcat and clear the way to see what may be hiding, even if just to make safer and tape off - seems to me that the red brick tunnels may have been an earlier use, perhaps shelters, and then someone, them Germans take over and dig further in to the hills to provide factory use - many tunnels seem to be both concrete and brick mix, i wonder if this might be to demolish at certain points in case of enemy attack and take over
i guess its possible some damage was inflicted on the the tunnels and perhaps later back filled or from above, as you suggest the supposed cave ins look wrong, if it was natural like some of the others, there would be a natural void above or aside
Ah i like the last comment, help to discover more tunnels, yes
The cave ins look deliberate, especially the ones near the intersection effectively the strongest point I would think. Tunnelers get unlucky but ..lol
I agree patch mack. I have been to this part of Germany and wine is big business. Frankensekt wine is not cheap. The red brick tunnels are old, built for wine storage. The cement extensions from WW2 were for a different purpose.
Imo the ciculor road allowed trucks to go both ways in the tunnel. Just a thought. Great videos.🙂
It would be cool if you could mark off on the tunnels map the tunnels that you have explored. That way you could compare what is open and what is not.
I just uploaded that map to my patreon I will upload it here on UA-cam as well as to my website in a few days :-) I didn't finish it until after the episode aired sorry
The short utility tunnels may have been temp. supplying power from gen. at start. The interior would still need major power. Some lidar images of the top surface of mountain might reveal shafts for ventilation/exhaust.
Amazing that Frankensekt wants to excavate. 😁 I feel like buying and drinking their product just to support that
Is there a map of the complete tunnel complex available, showing where the blockages are located?
Actually clay is somewhat impervious to moisture so would help seal the tunnels from leaks and flooding. It looks looks like their surprisingly dry inside compared to rock etc. tunnels elsewhere. I am aware there is always some moisture content to all materials clay and concrete as well.
Partially right about clay. BUT what you can audibly all the way through when Timo is not talking; is water dripping!!!
It’s a deliberate collapse. Power feed into the centre and also rail right through one of the collapses.
Underground explosion test site( collapses) and the mountain clay and red rock comes down hiding the evidence. The explosion detonates outwards finding the path of least resistance -- the tunnels and ejection ( the material thrown away from the centre of an explosion).
What is also v satisfying is the total lack of of graffiti spraying. Obviously from a security point of view, the local community are looking after the whole thing.
.....but Tino, you don't see and walk to the "circle" part right? any reason why?
Round central area appears to be a possible launch point for discs in production. In Poland there are stone bench like electromagnetic coils with enormous 2 ft wide cable raceways leading down into the mine where they generated electro gravitic frequencies and attempted to transmit through the very heavy cables up to the megalithic sized Stonehenge shaped structures which if examined will be seen to contain conductive cabling through their structures. So they produce the gravity frequency with the l and then attempted to transfer to the surface to the structures they would have had a craft shaped like the plant flying discs sitting on that structure and the test would have been to controllably lift its mass ...
Around that 29 minute mark, that tunnel looks like a work space. The trench in the floor probably once carried "services"; electricity, water, compressed air and probably, drainage. Furthermore, once you start operating more than a few simple, low-powered machines, you need to start installing industrial-grade three-phase electrical distribution. Even a single machine requiring a steady use of more than one horsepower will require three-phase electricity for efficiency and reliability. I would be looking in the immediate vicinity of those tunnels for evidence of an electrical substation and high-voltage transmission lines coming from elsewhere.
The trench is also "offset" from the centre, thus allowing space on one side to install the raised "pads" to which machinery would be bolted for stability. Not necessarily big machines, because those are usually set on specially prepared, reinforced concrete blocks that can extend several metres into the ground. More rigid mass; less vibration. Less vibration; less mechanical stress on both the machinery AND the surrounding structure, (AND less tiring stress on the people operating the equipment).
A most intriguing place and a good coverage of it; please keep digging!
Most impressive set of deductions, properly extensive yet, no waste of words. You're hired, well done. Physically speaking, these tunnels are just that, tunnels. They might never have been used and those reddish clay mounds may have simply been caused by a construction mistake that may have led to be abandonment of the structure before it was even completed, who knows really.
But with a solid background in historical and technical research, a mind that can assemble realistic images out of that data, a proper and justifiable use of informed speculation and suddenly, the lights come on and a million fascinating things may have been conceived or created in those mystic paths, where one can almost feel a weak, but undeniable energy coming from these walls... well, at least an emotion. : )
I really enjoyed your comment, thanks.
Tino, it would be good to go through the blocked up and bricked up walls with a hammer drill and a cctv probe and see what is on the other side. Assuming the other side isn't accessible by other tunnels.
Who owns this property and would it difficult to get permission to drill small inspection Tunnels? Maybe use local prisoners to excavate the collapsed sections, where safe,, for a small wage.
We don't enslave our minorities, having learnt from history. So prison labor is unavailable.
I’ve noticed about the cave ins how you talk about them being uniform. Has there been any thought given to whether they might have been planned into the original design as ready to fail points in case of a offensive intrusion. And can a prearranged fail safe point have been built into the other tunnel systems you’ve visited. You have talked about civilian demolition and military and allied demolition. I am intrigued with Reise and others where they have been almost been described as a working machine and not simply a manufacturing facility. Seems I recall talk of Teslas experiments in the US with tunnels that had something to do with electrical transmission. I am really grasping here as all I know I’ve heard basically from your descriptions and Dr Farrell. But some of the thinking in these designs seems pretty far outside the box.
Agree with others regarding more excavation of the "cave ins", it could be too dangerous to attempt though. The amount of effort to backfill the suspected areas must have been monumental, you could spend years removing the clay and find that it was nothing but clay, on the other hand it could be a regretful experience.
But that is the Gamble 70% of the time you go under the wire or spend time digging for something that may be there you find nothing but that's not reason to not try at least it's a way of Crossing things off lists
I suspect new walls is constructed across the tunnels but they look suspicious so best drop the roofs to hide the new wall's then it becomes a safe wine cellar
Tino, Not that you need one but seeing you Tino, tenaciously trapse throughout these treacherous tunnels time & time again* just made me think of a nickname or shorter derivative.
"Tino The Troglodyte" or
"TeeCubed" ("T³" or "T2Th3" ) or
"T&T&T" or "TnTnT" all just a potential "Call Sign" or whatever.
BONUS Band name (Below)
"Tino & The Troglodytes" Cool band name...
"Tina & The Troglodykes" Also a Cool band name.
*Illiteration record I used the letter 'T' nine times illiteratively, a personal best.
Thanks for all the mucking around underground and musing, my mind needed that.
Keep fighting that good fight, you are winning!
try to find someone to drill through the collapsed clay. put the tube in and you can send the camera to the other side. clay should be relatively easy to drill, of course some larger stones are also there.
Man its HUGE! Now im thinking about the weird ring structure all the time, hmm. I live in Leipzig, i should visit Thüringen and see it by myself.
I'll let you know when I go back come join
In Thüringen there were the TKF Thüringer Kugellagerfabriken they still make excellent ball bearings today in Zella Mehlis Thrunigia, we know that Nazis experimented with Uranium and Thorium in spherical shape, maybe the Kugelfischer Company made production machines for producing Uranium balls? After the war Diebner experimented in Geesthacht near Hamburg with a "Kugelhaufen-Reactor" that also used 6cm large uranium balls.
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The tunnels are back filled, not blasted closed.
Very strategic infused collapses
Thanks Tino, Yet a crew of 6 guys and a directional bore would let you see whats on the other side of those collapses, Just add a video head to the end and push it in .
get a big ol'ribbed plastic pipe (like a motorway drain liner) and dig it into the muck as you're digging through at the other end.
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could the use of the two tunnels in the floor be the reason why no wall hangers present inside
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Tino, will they ever dig out the collapse areas to see what is behind them? Or is it to dangerous to try?
Brick walls, Concrete walls, all concrete tunnels, the mixture of ways to build the tunnels makes me wonder why this way and to what purpose ?
You have become a hero to history thank you.
I am at best a medium Muppet of History :-) working my way up to senior bastard
The way things are going between natural disasters, climate change and war, they should be repurposing all these places not burying them. We might need places like this quicker than we think.
Btw. climate change is a communist hoax. They admitted it already and everyone knows it since the marxists installed their CoR.
The communist bury those places out of the same reasons they wage war against the people. Destruction of society, seizing land, cutting of food and energy supply and so on. Shelter or useful places is of course and logically the last they want the People to have.
Otherwise you are right. We should repurposing these places. Even just for using them because they are there and it's a waste not using them.
And we do need those places indeed very quickly. we are in the midst of war already and it will be bloody and quite horrible more sooner than the average sleeping sheeps are aware of.
I'm sorry, i just have to say it...
That is A LOT of white paint!
Amazing system, would love to do some minimally- invasive boring through those collapses...just to see what they were trying to hide.
After all of your other videos, my own opinion is that is not natural cave ins. they were to round and it looks like that they drilled a central hole, packed it with tnt. I will take a guess that they probably done it more than just the end of the tunnel. probability a series of them. That would be what I would have done. They knew that people would try to clear it and what is the best way to discourage some one, as soon as you can get through one, you see another. The government knew that if they won, they could just use force labor to clear it
I disagree that those two large cracks that were across from one another where that tunnel joined the other was caused by an explosion. It looks like the tunnel settled naturally or from water erosion taking the subgrade away causing the tunnel to settle. I've seen brick walls on houses and other structures do this from the foundation under them settling. For some reason where the wall cracks it seems to separate at the bottom and push together, even bowing in or out; at the top from pushing together with so much force. Then there's a crack in the tunnel wall across from that intersection to the left if standing with the tunnel that has the two cracks to your right. That just makes me think that that intersection where the tunnel is cracked so wide at the bottom has settled there where the tunnel starts. If you would have had a level you could have put it on the floor and seen if the intersection areas floor was sloping that way. It looks like those intersections are very heavy sections and would be susceptible to sinking, settling faster than the tunnels.
I thought I saw 'shear' (which supports your comment) mind you I too am an engineer (although a 'Virtual' one since I do mostly SW & SQA, lately more 'Domestic engineering projects'. ;)
There’s thing being hidden, for sure.
I’d map the tunnels and look at an areal view of the mountain to find the most probably connection to another section.
I wouldn’t dig it all though. Instead I’d hire a company that does ground works and know how to push metal tubes underground from point a to point b, like they do in Belgium for communication and power cables.
Les work, less risk triggering another collapse. Once a tube/pipe gets through the rubble they can blow the pipes empty with a compressor and insert a camera to see what’s on the other side.
Thanks 🙏🏻 Timo
With 500 people. Hmmmmm.. Very interesting indeed. Those piles of red clay want to be removed.
Just gonna say...that circular portion vaguely resembles the layout of CERN....Remote possibility I know- but has to be said.
What is that circular tunnel? Looks very Distinct yet not familiar
Looks like the road circle we have over here in NJ.
Bricks remind me something built during or before WW 1
Isn't it strange that there is nothing for ventilation? In other tunnels that were only for labor and machines, there is a whole second floor just for ventilation. And here, where they supposedly drove old, stinky diesel trucks through, there is nothing?
This is strange indeed. My guess is the vent shafts may be in the collapsed sections.
@@joeg875 But the uncollapsed area is too big. The exhausts wouldn't get out. Something it not right with the whole story. Such a heavy truck traffic would only make sense in a storrage facillity. But why would they collaps a storrage so heavily? And the "roundabout" is very big just for turning trucks.
No in coal mines they don't need it as long as have more than 1 entrance to create a circulation of air with 1 centralized central fan to create the air gust to feed the whole mine.Coal mines are mined like this if off the face of a mountain and bot open pit or a sunk shaft, so it's actually makes sense
Tino I have some questions
Well in that case the answers are yes yes maybe but not quite and 103
@@tinostruckmannsame here, and wish I had the $$$ to ask those questions privately. anyways 👍👍👍
Oh hell! I always thought the answer was always 4
Don't we all.
@@apexandtalon nahh I saw the hitch hikers guide. 42 is the answer.
NOT THE LAST NAZI TUNNEL. MAYBE IN GERMANY OR POLAND.
BUT, I KNOW OF ONE IN THE NETHERLANDS AND ITS EXACT LOCATION.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
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Thank you for sharing
Tino, while watching this episode, I was wondering was there a place/city/town in Germany that wasn't affected during WWII? Where life kept going on while there was war all around?
Generally not really however smaller rural communities were less affected than the bigger cities of course but completely unaffected negatively or positively I don't think would have been possible even if there were no War Industry or had been no increase or decrease in Harvest needs the young Sons would still have been called up the young women will still have been asked to serve as nurses or refugees might have shown up from the bigger cities or from the East but certainly there were places that were lesser affected and not bombed or fought over
Yes, indeed there was such a place. Dresden until the terror bombing in Februar 1945.
Other than this quite significant town, life was going on everwhere unless it got overrun by enemies or bombed out completely. But even in Berlin for instance, destroyed by mainly bombing campaigns on living quarters (production areas were largely unaffected of course) life was going on (and even public traffic, electricity and water supply were up and running, at least until the Russians came. Then it was cut off.).
There were some villages which were not bombed before or shelled after the front closed in, but an all out war is actually affecting every place, not to mention the people. So, i at least wouldn't know any place which didn't suffer during and after the war.
Appreciated sir.
Bring it on
Cables look like they could handle 1600 amps, at around.5 megavolts?
45:50 if its original it's more likely settling
Tho that concrete does look new could have been a failure to drop and patched
Has anyone tried to probe these collapses ?
I think it's an escape tunnel system to get from one side to the safe side. Just like the one at Berlin Tempelhof
Is he going to leave us hanging with the ball bearings story? There's only a few minutes left, certainly looks like it... 90 secs, still nothing... 45... I think he is... 30.... WAIT, I hear something... 20, 15, 10, 9, 8, 7,... IT'S OVER, and we're left with tons of ball bearings on our minds... AAAHHHHH... NNNOOOO... TORTURE... NOT THIS... PLEASE...
Those are strategically tactical collapses 😉
Thank you
Those Cham pages ne guys better check their "cellars" for radiation....😅
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Being veteran British military; no cabling supports on the wall after so far?
Because they then use the cabling channel in the floor
Modern military bunkers use the same technique. It’s done for protection of the cabling
Another possibility? A rotunda; as you’ve said before about a Nazi super weapon. So vehicles could drive in with “the weapon. If they made it; it has to be detonated by explosives around the sphere. The rotunda. Cabling and rail from all directions runs to the centre! You get it now?
What better way to hide it than underground, under reinforced concrete. And then cause a natural collapse after detonation?
Your other videos and the white chalk quarries; rails leading in and you not being allowed access as it goes under a now military training area
I think you’re 2/3rds of the way there already . If it’s not the super weapon? Then possibly Amber room or the list Reichs gold that they never find.
In the centre.
Can’t be got to. Because the mountain has been de-stabilised
Great stuff. KEEP DIGGING
That tunnel looks like it was filled in
TINO @56:00 Tell us that's a bird ?!?
"Ball bearing factory"..."the machines that make the ball bearings"... sounds like they're talking in code so they can talk openly without revealing what what really going on down there. The ball bearing production was likely a front for something far more significant I'm thinking! Those collapses; you've been in enough of these tunnels to know the difference Tino: No way those are natural or accidental. too neat and uniform.
No, it was actually meant for Kugellagerproduktion (Kugelfischer). Though, i can't say for sure if there had been additional purposes in mind.
i,m suprised that you din,t notice that is a second floor abowe yuo...
Who is anyone to say what is the last Nazi secret? Puhlease. Very interesting, though.
who is to say there is a "last" Nazi secret? hmmmmmmmm?
Well if we can't get any of the documentation papers or clarification it is by definition a secret and if it was developed by the SS one could honestly say it is a Nazi Secret:-) although I suppose by now it would be considered a CIA secret lol
LOOK,S LIKE THE TUNNELS ,FILLED IN FROM THE BACK SIDE,.
Try as I might I cant think of anything worse they could be hiding from us that we don't already know. I hope I'm right.
I look forward to the excavation!
Germans sure knew how to build underground tunnels imagine f they had all these built prior to starting a war . Allied bombers would have no chance destroying these places
Just bet there are victims buried with in those walls
Wouldn`t it be great to go in there with a mini-digger and excavate all those "collapses"?
Bourg & Warner .