@@Ezecool-3105 kris is not the knight, but may of created the dark fountain that was in the house living room for some reason. If kris was the knight, then answer this: when you seal the cyber worlds dark fountain you can see that Noelle and berdly are already studying, meaning it was made while they were inside, however kris was NOT inside and he was probably at the school at that time. There’s also the point that the other guy made where he backed away from the closet. Why would he even fight the king anyways?
@@furious3O3 do you not remember the end of chapter 1 cutscene? he could've sneaked out and made a dark fountain while there? and plus, kris and susie are also at the table when you seal the fountain, althought they never entered the lab itself
@@Marcelelias11 yeah same it not really make sense the knight to be kris just because kris opened a dark fountain, heck berdly was going to open a dark fountain too before ralsei stopped him, are we going to say berdly is the knight too now
@@Marcelelias11 I bet that the reason Kris made the dark fountain was to try to hurt the player, since queen practically told Kris how to made a dark fountain, and Kris also know knows about the roaring, which makes it seem like Kris is trying to hurt the player by unleashing the roaring.
The theme is nightmare knight made by toby fox, when he still doing homestuck or sth idk, that's why they sound familiar. Edit: the music is for the cucumber quest.
it was actually confirmed that he was hatless in battles way before chapter 2's release, sometime around last year Toby posted screenshots of a virovirokun battle that showed hatless ralsei and doctor ralsei, so I knew from that
I like the thought of an unwinnable battle that the one you fight against just tells you some vital information, knowing that you, the player, will remember it after you lose
the fact that the "Roaring" featured the word "eternal knight" hoo boy, I know this is just a coincidence but what if toby watched this and took notes?
This is really creative! The attacks are cool, and I love the use of Nightmare Night! It’s also really interesting that all the different soul colors are used.
"The knight is the discarded vessels not kris" well yes you may be right just because kris created the tv world fountain does not mean they created all of the others, also queen literally said any lightner with determination can create a fountain, and she was using noelle to make a neo fountain, and in genocide route she says who wants to be the new knight
Bro if this was made in the time of Deltarune Chapter 1 during the time when everyone thought Chapter 2 was genocide, then man I support u big time for being one of the only people in the fandom to focus on the Knight
this came out on feburary 11 and chapter 2 came out on september meaning that this fanmade animation predicted what some theories say about ralsei being a possible bad guy in the future
I hope Toby is gonna use the Nightmare Knight theme for some boss in a next Chapter, it would be a good time to revive Cucumber's Quest themes, and this it's a good case after all. (Also, I was thinking, how about No More Nuzzles [Good track btw, not Toby, but still], Megalovania and Megalo Strike Back, those tracks that Toby has worked on and he put some of those songs on other projects, [Like the case of Fallen Down from I Miss You in UT]. *Why the Safe capsule at the end? lmao* *Looks like Porky's going to be in DR*
@@Vernas_RThe Updator? Like the knight it's looking for an upgrade? A pawn who has an item so important that it guarantees him [[HEAVENLY STUFF?]] It's probably a good title
i think the vessel would be used in a more interesting way, where we loose control of kris and maybe have to fight them with the vessel, deltarune not only saves it but has a set one created if you played ch2 with no ch1 save, in the fight, the spare could be explaining that you were forced into kris against our will
not necessarily betraying Kris, but keeping some big secret from them about who he is, and why he pretends to think so highly of Kris (I have a small theory that Ralsei acts so kindly to Kris and lays everything out so Kris always seems to "save the day", whether that be by saving the kingdom in Chapter 1, thanking Kris and complimenting them for any small thing they do, helping them when theyre struggling in puzzles and then acting as if Kris did it all on their own, he does this just to give them a chance to shine for once in their life, as in the surface world Kris is easily forgotten, unmotivated and never seem to get their way)
@@dylanzlol7293 I know this theory is far from perfect, but I think it has something to do with his biological relation to the Dreemurr Family. Perhaps he ran away from the Dreemurrs very early on in his life for some reason, too early for Kris to remember his existence, or somehow got lost, and ended up in the dark world, found the legend of the Delta Warriors, and began waiting many, many years for his currently yet to be adopted, or even born, human sibling to fall down and fulfill the prophecy. We know Ralsei is many years older than Asriel and Kris if my theory is true because of his extremely undeveloped social skills, he is as innocent and naive as a child, but very intelligent as he has spent all his years studying in his empty castle town instead of speaking to people. He even told Kris that, when Kris hugs him in the training battle, they're the only person he's ever hugged in his entire life. As to why he could have ran away from Toriel and Asgore, as seen in Undertale and Deltarune they aren't really very good parents. They both appear to be kind and loving at first but both have done some terrible things, whether that be Toriel neglecting Kris who is clearly showing signs of depression and putting Asriel in the spotlight instead, being creepily overprotective, possibly even crossing the line of mentally abusive (Toriel literally punishes Kris for spending time with possibly their first friend in a long time by making them go to bed early after chapter 1, a very childish punishment for someone who is assumed to be in their late teens. Toriel does not like Kris growing up and wants them to stay the same child, forever, another example is her holding Kris's hand into high school as they look down embarrassed, driving them around everywhere ect.). Both parents argued a lot in Undertale and Deltarune in front of Chara, Kris and Asriel, and while Chara wasn't exactly mentally sane before they met the Dreemurrs if you go by the theory they were trying to commit suicide by falling down the mountain, they clearly didn't get the help they needed from the Dreemurrs if Chara ended up attempting an extremely painful suicide *again* via buttercup poisoning, and unfortunately succeeding. Toriel completely abandoned her kingdom after her children died and ran away to the ruins, possibly for hundreds to thousands of years before the events of Undertale, and Asgore chose the slowest way possible to collect souls to break the barrier instead of just waiting for 1 soul and taking 6 more from the surface in 1 go. TL;DR: Toriel and Asgore aren't good parents, I believe Ralsei is their first son in Deltarune who ran away from a potentially abusive household, got lost and ended up in dark world. Many years later Toriel and Asgore have another son, Asgore being bad at names just re-arranges the letters from Ralsei to make Asriel, and try to forget about Ralsei's existence due to being overcome with grief. Along the way they somehow also end up adopting a human Kris (and I'm very excited to find out exactly why Kris got adopted when the game comes out), over the years the already fragile family begins to break apart and eventually they get a divorce, Kris being overcome with grief struggles to live their daily life until one day they fall into a mysterious Dark World, the same way Ralsei fell into the Dark World when he was wrecked with grief. There, Kris meets their long lost brother Ralsei, but is too young to know who he is. Ralsei knows Kris, however, as in the game he seems to know their name without anyone ever telling him it before he first says it. One thing I didn't think much about is how Ralsei seems to be native to the dark world, maybe spending so much time near the fountain waiting so many years corrupted him and literally turned him into a darkner or maybe boss monsters and Darkners show similar traits, I'm not sure on that one yet. But that's my theory on Ralsei's secret!
@@dylanzlol7293 basically my theory is Ralsei is Toriel and Asgore's first born biological son who fled the Dreemurr household, got lost and ended up in the dark world a long, long time before Asriel was born.
I always liked to imagine that at the end of the fight against kinight, kris would turn against the group, protecting him, because they knew each other in the past. Basically doing the knight a favor and letting them get away.
Seeing the fanmade Ralsei sprites in this after seeing their sprites in Chapter 2 makes me think *”Why the heck did Chapter 1 Ralsei have no arms? They kind of remind me of a two-legged Minecraft Creeper.”
my guess is his arms were underneath his cloak to hide himself better, you can kinda see him lift them when he casts a spell, it looks like hes lifting them up from under his cloak
I don't think I ever quite realized how much the Nightmare Knight track gives heavy Kirby vibes in a good way, hah. That, and the fight track for the Amalgamations, off the top of my head, had that same feel for me, hehehe
actually, this is kinda true looking back at chapter 2’s ending. Kris creates the fountain, so he’d be the knight. Also here its before chapter 2, and you see a shadow of kris as an opponent
@@LamerGuy with that information we know that everyone with DETERMINATION can create fountain that means kris can be the knight but i dont think so because chaos king and queen wanted to defeat kris.if kris is knight why queen and chaos king attacks him? That makes us sure that knight is not kris
I like how the entire fanbase of deltarune has heated arguments about whether Kris is the knight, I'm on both sides cause both of them make valid points. My guess would be Ralsei isn't a darkner and created the fountain of pure darkness (like who else created it) or maybe what happened in the bunker with Kris involved our discarded character and they are the knight
I mean, Kris (when we can't control them) opening up the fountain in their home and presumably the one in the library does seem a bit odd. Side note: yeah, if Ralsei was a darkner he would have turned into stone in the cyber world, just like how Roulxs and Lancer did. Or maybe it's a pure darkness fountain effect? Most likely one of those.
You might be onto something. I could see actually see Toby doing that. If that happens out of nowhere, that’s probably what would push Kris to the edge. To me, it seems very in character of Deltarune for some reason.
@@BamsyTheSergal it's called nightmare knight I believe this the 'your best nightmare' of deltarune If you don't know 'your best nightmare' is the song of Omega flowey phase 1
the twist was that Any lightner with enough "determination" can make a fountain according to Queen. just because Kris does it once does not necessarily mean they're the knight. Berdly was seconds away from doing it too... also, this video was made before chapter 2, so theres bound to be inconsistencies :p
Maybe kris isn’t actually the knight though, yeah we see him opening a dark fountain in chapter 2’s end but maybe toby is just trying to make kris seem more evil than he actually is, think back to the end of chapter 1 and beginning of chapter 2 for example. Kris wanted to eat the pie. And Kris really likes Susie so maybe he made another dark fountain because he wanted to go on another adventure with her.
So the knight is just a dark Kris? Or am I missing something? But uh the knight is most definitely one of the bad guys. He's the one that locked up the kings and put chaos king in charge. Great video nonetheless!
I kinda intented it to be the knight is one of the discarded vessels at the start of the game, or at least another human, because if they had determination like frisk and Kris appear to then it would explain their extreme power. but obviously I'm not Toby fox and have no idea who the knight or the discarded vessels are, this is just my interpretation of what could happen!
@@jtx2840 I think it's opposite. We created vessel like how we usually create main character. . We should control vessel but we controlled Kris. Actually determination soul is not Kris's soul. So Determination is vessel's soul. Kris can be knight. Cool video tho
Maybe kris isn’t actually the knight though, yeah we see him opening a dark fountain in chapter 2’s end but maybe toby is just trying to make kris seem more evil than he actually is, think back to the end of chapter 1 and beginning of chapter 2 for example. Kris wanted to eat the pie. And Kris really likes Susie so maybe he made another dark fountain because he wanted to go on another adventure with her.
@@silverv2964 There's quite a bit of proof to even being implied by Toby, and usually in-game when people mention the Knight they mention it separate from Kris, even Jevil and I qoute says "The Hand of the Knight is drifting forward" and "From now, A nightmare will awaken in your hearts. In the Shadow of the Knights hand... Lightners, can you stop it?" going off of logic from just these 2 qoutes Kris can't be the knight, if Kris was the knight wouldn't Jevil say "in the shadow of your hand" instead of "The Knights hand"?. King says "By the Knights will, I shall shatter your heart to pieces!" and "My KNIGHT. . . I shall not fail you. . ." I think these bits of Dialogue alone proves it but if you pay attention to details in-game you'll find more proof
@@TheEmeraldCreeper Yeah these details may prove Kris isn't the knight, but the knight doesn't seem to interact with the world he creates, the darkners only know some part of his motivations but don't sound like they meet him, they treat him like this God they know it exists but don't know how he is, the computer lab was made into a dark world that same night, who had the chance, weapon, moment and will to do it? Kris. And the one who created the fountain is reffered by queen as the knight, not Kris
@@silverv2964 Well there's a detail when you seal the fountain, Berdly and Noelle have books out on the table and are sat down, and if it was made before surely staff would've noticed and probably would close the librarby due to weird activity. Kris also would've had to break it to do it. that's also assuming that Kris is the only character that can or does have a knife. "Berdly and Noelle have books out on the table and are sat down" This in itself implies that the fountain was made while the 2 were studying as well as there being a closet behind them able to "fit a large person inside" which the Knight could probably easily have fit inside also during said time Susie and Kris were in Castle Town. . .For said fountain in the living room, Alphys herself says there's no school the next day so there would be no excuse to go to castle town hence making a fountain would make an excuse for adventure, opening the door would give Undyne or any cop to come inside since Toriel called the cops and Undyne laughed at Kris when they said Dark Worlds were being created, so the door being open could lure Undyne in and proof to her that Kris was right about there being Dark Worlds. so there are quite a bit of implied things to suggest why Kris made the living room fountain, as there is things counteracting claims of them making the Librarby fountain.
The knight is basically kris with a bunch of the regular boss fight attacks, but it’s hard to can see kris’s sword and the knight’s sword are the same shape just you can’t see the real color, Spoilers: If you know the end of chapter 2 where kris takes out his heart and stabs the knife into the ground in toriel’s house (kris’s home) I’m guessing that a dark version of kris (the knight) took control there and decided for what the knight learned, copies attacks from previous battles and uses them, waiting for a final fight once the 3 came and found him.
Oddly enough Kris would probably be the knight, as we had seen in chapter 2s ending, Kris made a fountain and the first save in chapter 1 said Kris and maybe just maybe, Kris visited the Dark World after
Interesting the choice to theme things around playing cards. More of a chapter one thing, but I can see how it works seem like a darkner thing back then
Yeah its based on cards because at the time I made this we only had chapter 1 of the game and a lot of us thought the whole dark world would be card world themed lmao.
Jesus this really looks canon after chapter 2. He warns us that Ralsei isn't what we think and after chapter 2 we can all agree that ralsei was weird. And also the "ETERNAL NIGHT"... Ralsei told us what's that only in chapter 2 and wow.
b
i
t
c
h
Unacceptable have a nice day
Oi
@CountSi sus 😳
ruh
The hatless ralsei sprites are actually pretty close to the ones in chapter two now
AlexdaCat :D
This one is better
@@cynthiadennijs9543 i personally disagree, i think his head is a bit wonky, but it’s okay if you like this more!
@@tonic196 Yeah I like ch2 ralsei but the glasses should be more round
I find these ones less off putting
Just realised the knight could be the “discarded character” we made
Thats a good theory. Holy crap it makes so much sense.
If you saw or played Chapter 2 you should know that Kris is the knight
@@Ezecool-3105 kris is not the knight, but may of created the dark fountain that was in the house living room for some reason. If kris was the knight, then answer this: when you seal the cyber worlds dark fountain you can see that Noelle and berdly are already studying, meaning it was made while they were inside, however kris was NOT inside and he was probably at the school at that time. There’s also the point that the other guy made where he backed away from the closet. Why would he even fight the king anyways?
@@furious3O3 do you not remember the end of chapter 1 cutscene? he could've sneaked out and made a dark fountain while there? and plus, kris and susie are also at the table when you seal the fountain, althought they never entered the lab itself
@@coolestdude244 that proves nothing... kris and susie were at the entrance plus even if they were at the table noelle and berdly had books out
The knight trying to sound ominous be like: "... The fluffy one..."
pffhaha
I mean he cant say it in any other way
@@carlosmorenoseguel7726 “yooo hello ralsei”
well he ain't ominous no more since ralsei acting sus in chapter 2
@@A.R.C.1997 hello again!
The Knight: "I know exactly what you are thinking-"
Kris: (Playing Pong with their own SOUL)
The Knight: "...Nothing, probably."
Same person
The Knight is obviously the Original Starwalker, just look at how many spaces he puts before "advice"
"It's not supposed to be Kris"
..well damn, you couldve had the entirety of youtube coming to this video saying you predicted it
I really doubt that the Knight is Kris. Toby wouldn't just give the identity of the Knight away in Chapter 2.
@@Marcelelias11
👀
@@Marcelelias11 yeah same it not really make sense the knight to be kris just because kris opened a dark fountain, heck berdly was going to open a dark fountain too before ralsei stopped him, are we going to say berdly is the knight too now
@@Marcelelias11 Kris obviously isn’t the knight, but they are likely an accomplice of the knight. A squire, for example.
@@Marcelelias11 I bet that the reason Kris made the dark fountain was to try to hurt the player, since queen practically told Kris how to made a dark fountain, and Kris also know knows about the roaring, which makes it seem like Kris is trying to hurt the player by unleashing the roaring.
*DAMN.*
This aged like one of the finest wines.
Not really, but if you're talking about the ralsei sprites then I guess so?
@@Flowey.The.Flowerthere's mention of a "eternal night" in here, which is almost quoted directly in chapter 2
The start of the battle theme sounded like the "amalgam" theme, it feels a bit like Touhou's music too.
it's chara?
The theme is nightmare knight made by toby fox, when he still doing homestuck or sth idk, that's why they sound familiar.
Edit: the music is for the cucumber quest.
it sounds lkke amalgam, but the very beginning sounds like omega flowey's fight
(Your best Nightmare)
it sounds a bit Kirby
This was made with kirby dreamland 3/super star soundfont
After chapter 2 this literally feels a little canon
especially ralsei
What?
the KNIGHT is not much talker?
Nah I still think he’s the starwalker
Not really
@@Gaster60066 thats why i said a little canon
0:18 2 save files
9:51 1 save and renamed DONTFORGET
Plot twist: the Knight is just Toby Fox in a jumpsuit
No, not the Andrew Hussie situation again...
anything but that!
@har ki Yeah
Kris: *creates one dark fountain *
the whole fandom: NO WAY!!!!1!! THEY'RE THE KNIGHT, THEY HAVE TO BE, THEY MUST BE!!!1!1!1!1!1!!!1!!!
@@messyCapricious L.O.L its so true
Or temmie
These fan made fight videos you release make me hope you grow to be popular
imagine if the knight would look like whatever you made the vessel at the beginning
Ok so the knigth is hairless
OH MY GOD
What if its stats changed based on the personalities and stuff you gave it?
@@Annexialol that would be pretty fuckn cool
@@deevoooon What wouldn't be cool is replaying the ENTIRE game several times just to experience all of the different attacks or shit.
Love how you literally predicted the future Ralsei’s battle design
No one's talking about actually, we overlooked that but its true
it was actually confirmed that he was hatless in battles way before chapter 2's release, sometime around last year Toby posted screenshots of a virovirokun battle that showed hatless ralsei and doctor ralsei, so I knew from that
@@jtx2840i see, that makes sense, what doesn't make sense is youtube giving me a notification 1 month later since you replied
I keep forgetting how meta the soundtrack of deltarune and undertale is.
This song is actually from cucumber quest
meta?
Heya Azzy~.
@@bestaround3323 I think they're talking about the song being made by toby fox and sharing leitmotifs with other songs like the chase and the door
There's also mother 3 music
I like the thought of an unwinnable battle that the one you fight against just tells you some vital information, knowing that you, the player, will remember it after you lose
the fact that the "Roaring" featured the word "eternal knight"
hoo boy, I know this is just a coincidence but what if toby watched this and took notes?
"You've heard about how dangerous the Knight is!"
bro's just standing there
This is really creative! The attacks are cool, and I love the use of Nightmare Night! It’s also really interesting that all the different soul colors are used.
the fact that this still fits in the chapter 2 canon is just amazing
"The knight is the discarded vessels not kris" well yes you may be right just because kris created the tv world fountain does not mean they created all of the others, also queen literally said any lightner with determination can create a fountain, and she was using noelle to make a neo fountain, and in genocide route she says who wants to be the new knight
Ralsei: It's nice to meet you!
The Knight: *target locked*
This is really cool! I especially love the animation of the heart, it's really impressive. Great stuff here! I love it!
Are you the... the KNIGHT?
Not much of a talker, huh?
Chapter 2: really not much of a talker.
The knight:(can use magic even if he is a human)
Kris:WHY CAN'T I USE MAGIC???
Bro if this was made in the time of Deltarune Chapter 1 during the time when everyone thought Chapter 2 was genocide, then man I support u big time for being one of the only people in the fandom to focus on the Knight
The only fanmade i could find BEFORE release of chapter 2 that contains goat looking ralsei
Ralsei without his hat*
Susie: Ralsei who do you think the Knight is?
Ralsei: probably someone in your world Susie
Kris: *smiles*
Ofc it's someone in the light world, Darkners can't live in the light world
@@TheEmeraldCreeper @youmissedthejokedumbass
@@TheEmeraldCreeper yes they can
@@CuttheropeTutorials They can't, they turn into objects when in the light world. . In animate objects
@@TheEmeraldCreeper oh yeah. I forgot
this came out on feburary 11 and chapter 2 came out on september meaning that this fanmade animation predicted what some theories say about ralsei being a possible bad guy in the future
8:01 the way he talks seems like the
Original Starwalker
These Heroes of Legend are pissing me off... I'm the Roaring Knight.
Well, this was made before chapter two came out so it makes sense that the sprites look odd.
I hope Toby is gonna use the Nightmare Knight theme for some boss in a next Chapter, it would be a good time to revive Cucumber's Quest themes, and this it's a good case after all.
(Also, I was thinking, how about No More Nuzzles [Good track btw, not Toby, but still], Megalovania and Megalo Strike Back, those tracks that Toby has worked on and he put some of those songs on other projects, [Like the case of Fallen Down from I Miss You in UT].
*Why the Safe capsule at the end? lmao*
*Looks like Porky's going to be in DR*
KNIGHT - The_Updator would be a good example of what could be used.
@@Vernas_RThe Updator? Like the knight it's looking for an upgrade? A pawn who has an item so important that it guarantees him [[HEAVENLY STUFF?]]
It's probably a good title
@@SpamDustt411 I'm happy that you like it, but I didn't mean that! 😆 The UA-camr The_Updator made a Knight theme.
@@Vernas_R Oh, I think I've seen that already, thanks! I thought it was something else for a moment... Lmao
Now chapter 2 came out:
Ralsei: Show yourself knight!
*kris runs to the other side*
"We shall face the eternal night."
bro really predicted chapter 2 word for word
This was made before chapter 2
They predicted Ralsei in fight without his hat
Bruh tpbyfox released some leaks for chapeter 2 a year ago
3:18 more like Knightmare
You are so awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love your fan lore and fights!
thanks! I'm glad you enjoy the content I make
He has moves from undertale like the spider dance one
Or the attack undyne uses it's quite suspicious....
the knight is probably that vessel you discarded
Most Likely
We didn't discarded the vessel gaster did
@@MordenTheCoolestJumpluff well someone reminiscent of gaster
This is honestly pretty well made.
"or we may have to take drastic measures" ralsei what-
i love how this person predicted ralsei keeping their hat in off in the entirety of chapter 2
Love how it literally made ralsei talking sprites...
dude the knight looks like kris
and he is talking about ralsei being a bad guy
did this guy just predicted the future theorys?
The absolutely safe capsule music at the end is the best touch
i think the vessel would be used in a more interesting way, where we loose control of kris and maybe have to fight them with the vessel, deltarune not only saves it but has a set one created if you played ch2 with no ch1 save, in the fight, the spare could be explaining that you were forced into kris against our will
THEY PREDICTED RALSEI FIGHTING WITHOUT HIS COSTUME
You mean without his hat up, but man he’s even cuter with the hat off.
It's weird how this seems to foreshadow the roaring before the roaring was even revealed to be a thing
how
I don't think the knight would be a secret fight, seems like he's kindoff the main villain of the game.
Just imagine this is the final boss on the whole game
Lol, did this just predicted kris being a knight?!
there's a bunch of evidence in-game that Kris is not the Knight; From details, to Dialogue, to straight up logic
It’s really interesting to see something like this before Chapter 2 dropped and seeing all the things we thought we knew
PLOT TWIST: KNIGHT NAME IS MIKE
AND LEGENDS SAYING HE STILL DOESNT ANSWERED A PHONE
That doesn't make sense, why would the secret boss of chapter 2 hint at the knight? ITS ONLY CHAPTER 2!!!
Also, you're going off with the Assumption of Ralsei betraying Kris hm? I also think that.
not necessarily betraying Kris, but keeping some big secret from them about who he is, and why he pretends to think so highly of Kris (I have a small theory that Ralsei acts so kindly to Kris and lays everything out so Kris always seems to "save the day", whether that be by saving the kingdom in Chapter 1, thanking Kris and complimenting them for any small thing they do, helping them when theyre struggling in puzzles and then acting as if Kris did it all on their own, he does this just to give them a chance to shine for once in their life, as in the surface world Kris is easily forgotten, unmotivated and never seem to get their way)
@@jtx2840 Like, which secret?
@@dylanzlol7293 I know this theory is far from perfect, but I think it has something to do with his biological relation to the Dreemurr Family. Perhaps he ran away from the Dreemurrs very early on in his life for some reason, too early for Kris to remember his existence, or somehow got lost, and ended up in the dark world, found the legend of the Delta Warriors, and began waiting many, many years for his currently yet to be adopted, or even born, human sibling to fall down and fulfill the prophecy. We know Ralsei is many years older than Asriel and Kris if my theory is true because of his extremely undeveloped social skills, he is as innocent and naive as a child, but very intelligent as he has spent all his years studying in his empty castle town instead of speaking to people. He even told Kris that, when Kris hugs him in the training battle, they're the only person he's ever hugged in his entire life.
As to why he could have ran away from Toriel and Asgore, as seen in Undertale and Deltarune they aren't really very good parents. They both appear to be kind and loving at first but both have done some terrible things, whether that be Toriel neglecting Kris who is clearly showing signs of depression and putting Asriel in the spotlight instead, being creepily overprotective, possibly even crossing the line of mentally abusive (Toriel literally punishes Kris for spending time with possibly their first friend in a long time by making them go to bed early after chapter 1, a very childish punishment for someone who is assumed to be in their late teens. Toriel does not like Kris growing up and wants them to stay the same child, forever, another example is her holding Kris's hand into high school as they look down embarrassed, driving them around everywhere ect.). Both parents argued a lot in Undertale and Deltarune in front of Chara, Kris and Asriel, and while Chara wasn't exactly mentally sane before they met the Dreemurrs if you go by the theory they were trying to commit suicide by falling down the mountain, they clearly didn't get the help they needed from the Dreemurrs if Chara ended up attempting an extremely painful suicide *again* via buttercup poisoning, and unfortunately succeeding. Toriel completely abandoned her kingdom after her children died and ran away to the ruins, possibly for hundreds to thousands of years before the events of Undertale, and Asgore chose the slowest way possible to collect souls to break the barrier instead of just waiting for 1 soul and taking 6 more from the surface in 1 go.
TL;DR: Toriel and Asgore aren't good parents, I believe Ralsei is their first son in Deltarune who ran away from a potentially abusive household, got lost and ended up in dark world. Many years later Toriel and Asgore have another son, Asgore being bad at names just re-arranges the letters from Ralsei to make Asriel, and try to forget about Ralsei's existence due to being overcome with grief. Along the way they somehow also end up adopting a human Kris (and I'm very excited to find out exactly why Kris got adopted when the game comes out), over the years the already fragile family begins to break apart and eventually they get a divorce, Kris being overcome with grief struggles to live their daily life until one day they fall into a mysterious Dark World, the same way Ralsei fell into the Dark World when he was wrecked with grief. There, Kris meets their long lost brother Ralsei, but is too young to know who he is. Ralsei knows Kris, however, as in the game he seems to know their name without anyone ever telling him it before he first says it.
One thing I didn't think much about is how Ralsei seems to be native to the dark world, maybe spending so much time near the fountain waiting so many years corrupted him and literally turned him into a darkner or maybe boss monsters and Darkners show similar traits, I'm not sure on that one yet. But that's my theory on Ralsei's secret!
@@jtx2840 Uh, Honestly this seems a bit too long.
@@dylanzlol7293 basically my theory is Ralsei is Toriel and Asgore's first born biological son who fled the Dreemurr household, got lost and ended up in the dark world a long, long time before Asriel was born.
I always liked to imagine that at the end of the fight against kinight, kris would turn against the group, protecting him, because they knew each other in the past.
Basically doing the knight a favor and letting them get away.
Seeing the fanmade Ralsei sprites in this after seeing their sprites in Chapter 2 makes me think *”Why the heck did Chapter 1 Ralsei have no arms? They kind of remind me of a two-legged Minecraft Creeper.”
my guess is his arms were underneath his cloak to hide himself better, you can kinda see him lift them when he casts a spell, it looks like hes lifting them up from under his cloak
I don't think I ever quite realized how much the Nightmare Knight track gives heavy Kirby vibes in a good way, hah. That, and the fight track for the Amalgamations, off the top of my head, had that same feel for me, hehehe
Now only we need a deltarune gaster fight
It will probably be the last battle. Kris vs. the one who conducted the experiment.
That actually exist as fangame
Can't wait for chapter 7 to land and have a final boss with the flavour text of "Conquer yourself"
actually, this is kinda true looking back at chapter 2’s ending. Kris creates the fountain, so he’d be the knight. Also here its before chapter 2, and you see a shadow of kris as an opponent
I don't think kris is the knight
just as queen said:
Anyone with enough DETERMINATION can make a fountian
@@LamerGuy with that information we know that everyone with DETERMINATION can create fountain that means kris can be the knight but i dont think so because chaos king and queen wanted to defeat kris.if kris is knight why queen and chaos king attacks him? That makes us sure that knight is not kris
Kris is not the knight (also They/Them)
@@ol3ktv134 Jevil also Mentions the Knight
This genuinely made me search up if you could see Kris' eye in his attacking animation and now I feel like an idiot :D
oh god its giving me ptsd from the genocide undyne fight
Once upon a time a legend was whispered aboout shi-
"The strongest Darkner in all the lands" is the knight supposed to be a lightner tho
.... may i remind you this was made 8 MONTHS AGO
@@TheSunIsDead Good point
*Claps* Holy shit that must mean there Asriel.
@@joshshrum2764 Could be
Wow... Mother 3 music in Deltarune fan-made battle? It is really interesting
I like how the entire fanbase of deltarune has heated arguments about whether Kris is the knight, I'm on both sides cause both of them make valid points. My guess would be Ralsei isn't a darkner and created the fountain of pure darkness (like who else created it) or maybe what happened in the bunker with Kris involved our discarded character and they are the knight
These are all loose ideas made up at 2 am don't take em seriously
I mean, Kris (when we can't control them) opening up the fountain in their home and presumably the one in the library does seem a bit odd. Side note: yeah, if Ralsei was a darkner he would have turned into stone in the cyber world, just like how Roulxs and Lancer did. Or maybe it's a pure darkness fountain effect? Most likely one of those.
This is really well made!
It's obvious that the knight is frisk
Close
Wrong protagonist lol
Nope, Undertale is unrelated to Deltarune. Frisk probably doesn't even exist.
the nightmare knight theme from cucumber quest 😭
i love that comic
The knight: soon you shall hear tragic news
Toriel crying the next day: kris im sorry to say this but Asriel is dead
Chapter 3 will shred your soul and mind
@@mechamicro I don't believe Asriel is dead
@@deetay59 reply if anything changes.
You might be onto something. I could see actually see Toby doing that.
If that happens out of nowhere, that’s probably what would push Kris to the edge.
To me, it seems very in character of Deltarune for some reason.
Its crazy how ralsei sprite look similar before deltarune chapter 2 come!
Toby fox posted the sprites before chapter 2 came out
@@Dosplo oh (bruh moment)
the music is cool too.
that's toby fox! (he actually made it for cucumber quest, and he's known to use soundfonts a lot)
@@BamsyTheSergal it's called nightmare knight
I believe this the 'your best nightmare' of deltarune
If you don't know 'your best nightmare' is the song of Omega flowey phase 1
I imagine the knight (assuming it isn't kris, which I think it is) would be the size of giga queen but in the normal battle ui
The music sounds like if it was from a kirby game on the Super Nintendo
that's toby fox! (he actually made it for cucumber quest, and he's known to use soundfonts a lot)
7:51 : uh guys, this is litterally the absolutely safe capsule's theme from Mother 3!
It's kirby 64 crystal shards ost you dumpass
If you boost up the light, You can see Kris. Nice detail.
This aged well
wasn't the big twist in chapter two the fact that we were the knight?
the twist was that Any lightner with enough "determination" can make a fountain according to Queen. just because Kris does it once does not necessarily mean they're the knight. Berdly was seconds away from doing it too...
also, this video was made before chapter 2, so theres bound to be inconsistencies :p
@@jtx2840 ok
this predicted kris is the knight lmao
I just remembered this vid at the end of the Deltarune chapter 2 and I was like “oh shit I think a vid predicted this.”
Maybe kris isn’t actually the knight though, yeah we see him opening a dark fountain in chapter 2’s end but maybe toby is just trying to make kris seem more evil than he actually is, think back to the end of chapter 1 and beginning of chapter 2 for example. Kris wanted to eat the pie. And Kris really likes Susie so maybe he made another dark fountain because he wanted to go on another adventure with her.
@@Over0w0MeAmTheHotel What about the car slashes and that whole bathroom scene and them taking their soul off their body?
@@modo_serio So Susie would stay for the night
@@Over0w0MeAmTheHotel she can walk
I think "THE KNIGHT" might take the form of Gaster.
So the knight is just a dark Kris?
Or am I missing something?
But uh the knight is most definitely one of the bad guys.
He's the one that locked up the kings and put chaos king in charge.
Great video nonetheless!
I kinda intented it to be the knight is one of the discarded vessels at the start of the game, or at least another human, because if they had determination like frisk and Kris appear to then it would explain their extreme power. but obviously I'm not Toby fox and have no idea who the knight or the discarded vessels are, this is just my interpretation of what could happen!
@@jtx2840 I think it's opposite. We created vessel like how we usually create main character. . We should control vessel but we controlled Kris. Actually determination soul is not Kris's soul. So Determination is vessel's soul. Kris can be knight. Cool video tho
I mean, the game clearly states that the Knight is a discarded vessel, I mean, the Pale King literally cast them into the abyss for crying out loud!
@@jtx2840 well. I'm back after chapter 2 and it looks like it was (probably) Kris.
@@LightSoul-8 wrong game hahahahaaha. But to be fair,
the vessel we made can be called... hollow.
I like how the KNIGHT’S figure shape is Kris
Man this mod is entirely ruined by the real lore now XD
i think sealing the fountains is a bad idea
at least if there's a MASSIVE plot twist towards the end
Holy crap did you accidentally predict that Kris is the knight ?! Bruuuuh good job dude.
Maybe kris isn’t actually the knight though, yeah we see him opening a dark fountain in chapter 2’s end but maybe toby is just trying to make kris seem more evil than he actually is, think back to the end of chapter 1 and beginning of chapter 2 for example. Kris wanted to eat the pie. And Kris really likes Susie so maybe he made another dark fountain because he wanted to go on another adventure with her.
@@Over0w0MeAmTheHotel well, Kris are the pie JusT so soul doesn't know what he did
@@deniktfa what you said doesn’t make a single bit of sense
@@Over0w0MeAmTheHotel he ATE the pie (thanks to autocorrect)
@@deniktfa who is soul btw
*Absolute Safe Capsule starts playing*
I recognized that theme anywhere :)
that reminds me of that one time I trapped myself in a capsule for all eternity
When you realize in reality your team's leader is actually the knight
Its not canon dude
This is my personal favorite interpretation of what the Knight fight could look like.
Kris is the knight.
No they're not
@@TheEmeraldCreeper Why not?
@@silverv2964 There's quite a bit of proof to even being implied by Toby, and usually in-game when people mention the Knight they mention it separate from Kris, even Jevil and I qoute says "The Hand of the Knight is drifting forward" and "From now, A nightmare will awaken in your hearts. In the Shadow of the Knights hand... Lightners, can you stop it?" going off of logic from just these 2 qoutes Kris can't be the knight, if Kris was the knight wouldn't Jevil say "in the shadow of your hand" instead of "The Knights hand"?. King says "By the Knights will, I shall shatter your heart to pieces!" and "My KNIGHT. . . I shall not fail you. . ." I think these bits of Dialogue alone proves it but if you pay attention to details in-game you'll find more proof
@@TheEmeraldCreeper Yeah these details may prove Kris isn't the knight, but the knight doesn't seem to interact with the world he creates, the darkners only know some part of his motivations but don't sound like they meet him, they treat him like this God they know it exists but don't know how he is, the computer lab was made into a dark world that same night, who had the chance, weapon, moment and will to do it? Kris. And the one who created the fountain is reffered by queen as the knight, not Kris
@@silverv2964 Well there's a detail when you seal the fountain, Berdly and Noelle have books out on the table and are sat down, and if it was made before surely staff would've noticed and probably would close the librarby due to weird activity. Kris also would've had to break it to do it. that's also assuming that Kris is the only character that can or does have a knife. "Berdly and Noelle have books out on the table and are sat down" This in itself implies that the fountain was made while the 2 were studying as well as there being a closet behind them able to "fit a large person inside" which the Knight could probably easily have fit inside also during said time Susie and Kris were in Castle Town. . .For said fountain in the living room, Alphys herself says there's no school the next day so there would be no excuse to go to castle town hence making a fountain would make an excuse for adventure, opening the door would give Undyne or any cop to come inside since Toriel called the cops and Undyne laughed at Kris when they said Dark Worlds were being created, so the door being open could lure Undyne in and proof to her that Kris was right about there being Dark Worlds. so there are quite a bit of implied things to suggest why Kris made the living room fountain, as there is things counteracting claims of them making the Librarby fountain.
Ok you predicted ralsei not being what we thought and the hatless ralsei sprites look almost like the one we have in deltarune
Toby posted the sprites before CH. 2
@@foxypotato112 wait really?
@@Neon_Gaming457 yep, 2019 i think
i like to think the knight is the vessel we made at the beginning
Nice use of the Nightmare KNIGHT theme!
The knight is basically kris with a bunch of the regular boss fight attacks, but it’s hard to can see kris’s sword and the knight’s sword are the same shape just you can’t see the real color,
Spoilers:
If you know the end of chapter 2 where kris takes out his heart and stabs the knife into the ground in toriel’s house (kris’s home)
I’m guessing that a dark version of kris (the knight) took control there and decided for what the knight learned, copies attacks from previous battles and uses them, waiting for a final fight once the 3 came and found him.
read description about it
"The dark version of Kris"
You mean... the real Kris? We are the soul, he is the body. When he rips out the soul, he's taking away our control.
@@snatcher226 yep got that confused, thanks for pointing that out
Oddly enough Kris would probably be the knight, as we had seen in chapter 2s ending, Kris made a fountain and the first save in chapter 1 said Kris and maybe just maybe, Kris visited the Dark World after
The mother 3 song at the end really got me
Aka "absolutely safe capsule"
Interesting the choice to theme things around playing cards. More of a chapter one thing, but I can see how it works seem like a darkner thing back then
Yeah its based on cards because at the time I made this we only had chapter 1 of the game and a lot of us thought the whole dark world would be card world themed lmao.
Ralsei's head looks like it got squished
I think that the the against the knight will take place in deltarune but it would be like a cutscene because the player wouldn't have control
You make it look so easy too
Jesus this really looks canon after chapter 2. He warns us that Ralsei isn't what we think and after chapter 2 we can all agree that ralsei was weird. And also the "ETERNAL NIGHT"... Ralsei told us what's that only in chapter 2 and wow.