Is it too late to take the racism out of white American Christianity? with Jemar Tisby
Вставка
- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- HELP ME MAKE MORE VIDEOS ▶︎ / forharriet
GET SOME MERCH ▶︎ ShopForHarriet.com
CONTACT KIM ▶︎ kimberlynfoster... @KimberlyNFoster\Kimberly@ForHarriet.com
JOIN THE NEWSLETTER ▶︎ USA: Text FORHARRIET to 33777
Canada: Text FORHARRIET to (647) 496-2800
Really appreciate the guests you've been having on lately
Yes!
Same here
Better than most interviews I see on main stream news. So much more depth.
I don't understand the psychology of white Christians. How can they read the stories of the old and new testament and see yourself as the Israelites and the followers of The Way? The book even tells you what to do to make things right. And still...
I think the pastor was absolutely honest in his statement. I was absolutely not shocked. Many “well meaning” white people do see their privileged place in the world as a blessing. It is a blessing to these white men and women. They don’t feel the sting of it. They are ashamed of it but not willing to give that place up. They know that what they have is because of our free labor, our blood, and our bodies. Our sacrifice to many of them is their blessing. Don’t sugar coat it. Take the hood off pastor...
You don't get how many arriving Jamaicans, Haitians, Africans or hard working people in general despise you. Everything is entitlement and "what can white people do for us"
@@Shadowiff What do you mean? Please elaborate. As a fellow West Indian, I don't understand.
@justin rogers but that just the thing, they are coming to a new place. Think about recent Japanese people coming to America. They are probably worried about getting a job etc. Japanese Americans ( that have been here for generations) were in internment camps, thankful the government have them reparations.
So a person coming from a different place to a new world, goal would not be to get reparations, the goal would be to get a job and keep my head down.... It is what some immigrants want their children to do. Now when it comes to black people, at start of the day and at the end of it we will be black. African people, Jamaicans etc. We have to realize that if it happens to an Ados, then it could happen to anyone else.
Shadowiff I’m Afro-Caribbean. You’re speaking about my people. You have no idea what we think. Fact if the matter is, the ones who do think that way received their info from racist media. Those who educate themselves know the truth.
@justin rogers Thank you for sharing this perspective. Unfortunately, it is flawed, prejudiced, and unfair. Black Americans do not want handouts and Africans and West Indies that think this way are wrong. This us vs them mentality is elitist and defeating. My God, why must people of the African Diaspora continue to perpetuate this divisive narrative? The world must be laughing at us.
I am a proud black non-believer, but I find this conversation fascinating and important considering this demographic is an important voting bloc.
Me too
Yes
Same here I’m not even impressed with America at this point
That man trying to find language that would INVITE white people into the conversation of white privilege/racism is already an issue. Can we (all of us, including myself cause I too have caught myself trying not to be too aggressive, whatever that even means) stop finding ways to make white supremacy and racism more comfy to talk about. These are uncomfortable topics, the discomfort needs to be felt and dealt with. People will be offended and that’s just too bad.
Isn't it ironic that the had to soften it up for the white delicates? That alone supports white privilege. Lol. 😂
would love a follow up about the misogynoir and homophobia in american christianity. this was great. i will share with my friends and family!
Yes, please!!
Christian are to love all, but not condone all, there is a difference.
@@wonzjones6618 yes, Christians should not condone misogynoir.
@@fortunamajor7239 I AGREE! And in listening to this video, and this very educated man, it really comes down to the "Christians" you surround yourself with. Most people who claim to be Christian, are not actually saved or delivered. I know ABOUT accounts, and I can balnace a check book, but that does not make me an Accountant, nor should I hive financial advice. Lol. With that said, if ojr actions speak otherwise, why are some people so quick yo trust our words.....
Can’t compromise the word.
You're literally killing it with these interviews!! Of course, your video essays are incredible and I'll always watch them 7766 times, but we really appreciate these thoughtful guests, experts in their fields
What frustrates me is when people say the word "religion," when they really mean "Christian." Christianity is not the only religion in existence. A lot of Black people (of all ages, not just young people) are leaving Christianity, not religion. One of the main reasons (which few even wanna mention), is because Christianity (and Jesus) was forced upon Africans, just like Islam was, and what may be seen as Christianity in some countries, such as Ethiopia, looks absolutely nothing like what Black people practice in this country. Honestly, a lot of people are too afraid of "going to hell," which wasn't even a concept until relatively recent times, so the very thought of leaving Christianity, gives them anxiety.
Also, the outright dismissal of Black Atheists rarely gets mentioned, as though someone else's lack of your belief hurts you, when atheists are just out there minding their own business.
When we're ready to have honest discussions about religion, instead of repurposing different ways to justify Christianity, I'll be very happy to join in.
I am SO HAPPY that another black person on the web is aware that the concept of hell is new to Abrahamic faith. Yes. Ancient Jews did not believe in hell nor did ancient Christians. The Hebrew and aramaic words( sheol being one) literally mean "death" or "grave" and so many verses in the bible(King James) where the word hell appears came from those words. And in many other verses in the bible those same ancient words were translated to death and grave. Meaning the Catholic church were being manipulative. Furthermore. The New Testament words for hell in ancient Greek or Koine Greek (such as Hades) also literally mean just death. The Christians borrowed concepts from hell from pagan faiths at that time. They also did this with the customs related to Christmas, and Easter. So if the Catholics lied about hell then so did the Muslims. Its all fake. A device to control people. I dont believe in any of these holy books but it must be said these books do not speak of a literal fiery chasm called hell.
I am an agnostic with omnist leanings. I believe there is some truths in most religions but none can claim absolute truth. I also believe there are beautiful beliefs within Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddism, Hinduism, Jainism and even African Spiritualities. But alas. I simply don't believe religion or spirituality are needed for one to be a good human being or a mentally healthy person. One choosing those paths are fine. As we all will choose. But I feel that its hard for me to be a black agnostic when morality for many people means believing in God or religion.
Thank you for acknowledging Black Atheists, Black Christians (+other theists) love to discriminate against and/or ignore our positions. This results in the erasure of our humanity. All we do is reject a claim and advocate for secular behaviors for an optimal life.
a.d.w. n. I’m Christian and agree with you about hell and the literal interpretation of the Bible. I’m aware that a lot of things were lost in translation, translated to fit interests and books were picked for that intent. It’s sad that church leaders seem to not count on it when preaching. It would be nice to have a new translation directly from original if possible.
Sis I need info on the concept of hell being a recent idea. Do you have any resources?
Islam was never “forced” on anyone, but rather introduced in multiple countries. As a Muslim, I know that it is against the laws of Islam to force conversion on anyone. 30% of the slaves that came to America were Muslim and forced conversions were very rare.
Did the guest say the pastor stumbled on the word blessing?! I think he said exactly what he meant. The intersectionality of homosexuality, Christianity and the black struggle is becoming a big issue within the blk community.
I am minister and I have to say, I don’t have hope for the white church as a whole. My denomination is having these conversations but it’s a majority white denomination and the conversations are still surrounding the white men and how they feel about it more than the few black people in the room. There’s also been a lot of backlash from other Pastors denouncing that this is a systematic issue... I just don’t have a ton of hope when the majority is so angry about the wrong thing.
I agree. The wheat grows with the tare
The short answer is yes, these beliefs are deeply engrained and it would take another lifetime to unlearn.
I disagree, at least in theory. Like every other institution in this country, American Christianity has been intertwined with white supremacy for its entire history; there's no denying that. However, the modern, hyper-reactionary spirit that infects white, evangelical Christianity in particular really only dates back to the 1970s, with Jerry Falwell and the "Moral Majority" and all that garbage. I think that particular vein of toxicity could potentially be undone within one generation; it would leave a lot of work still to be done, but it would be a fantastic start.
@@MagusMirificus but didn't the guest speaker just explain that this goes to the time of Slavery in America? It's a continuum.
not another lifetime, it will NEVER go away, it's now up to black people to decide if they want to continue to claim an already stolen land as their own as well.
I say throw the whole religion away tbh
@@paulharding1972 Yeah i do, some white people feel the same way in a predominantly black communities its not always about color of skin its about being different which i am not defending by the way either way its still fucked up
I'm in love with these thorough and intelligent conversations. The length NEVER bothers me.
I'll always tune it ❤
Absolutely! I have to watch them a couple times and take notes, but that’s just my bad brain being bad like usual. But she’s such an honest and conscientious interviewer, I can listen to them in the background or sit down to watch with my full attention with so much ease
There are also many black people, like myself, who just don't believe in religion( any one of them) as the absolute truth anymore. I believe the bible is a great literary piece. But I dont believe in it. We skip over this but the bible DOES have anti gay passages. Even if you are a gay Christian ally. You cannot talk around that. The bible also has sexist passages and we ignore that all the time. So I dont have a problem with people who are Christians when they are a bit more passive. But if we have a REAL talk about the two religions blacks cling to(Christianity and Islam). You WILL come across homophobia and sexism. Lastly. These faiths have benefitted others more(Whites and Arabs). Both faiths have been used to mistreat black people. Yet we are the most religious. I understand why. But I also see more of us walking away. May not be in my life time. But I see it.
Any belief can be used to hurt people. Have you ever heard of Stalin? Leon Trotsky? Mao Zedong? The Red Shirt party in Mexico? They all murdered people of various faiths because they were people of faith. Do not take a moral high ground people will do evil things in the name of any belief.
@ Not really. Idolatry is not specific to just religion. It can very political and central just like religion. There are plenty of dictators who had bigger followers in their time than Jesus even had in his. Like Hitler and Stalin.
Yes, THANK YOU!! People who follow Christianity, that says that the bible is the word of god, conviniently forget the sexist, racists, slavery-enabling, homophobic and ped-philic verses, ALL THE TIME...
@@chauncie8201 Never took a moral high ground. I am aware of those peoples use of ideology to hurt people. Doesn't change the fact that I dont believe in religion at all. This conversation is about religion. Which is why I brought it up. Most Ideologies can change. They can fade away with time after proof of them shows they are wrong. The tricky part about religion, especially Abrahamic faiths, is that they are based on books written thousands of years ago for people who lived in a different time yet claim to be absolute. When we know better we are suppose to do better. If a bunch of people still live there lives based on these books that oppose modern day findings like homosexuality not being a choice and the validity of the trans experience or that women arent cattle, then there will be problems. Thats not taking a moral high ground. Those are just facts. These books dont change their stances on certain things even as times change and we learn. Therefore, religion is a unique ideology in the fact that it can get in the way of real social, scientific change for the better. If people are but more passive with their faith it doesnt hurt as much but if we really talk about the bible for instance, cant change the FACT that it has morally questionable passages. It does not denounce slavery. The ownership of human beings. Women being seen as lesser than. The anti gay passages. Its all in there.
@@brieoliver Hitler and Stalins ideologies didn't stand up through the ages like the bible has. Therefore. The people they hurt with their views are forever tied to a certain time frame. The bible and its uses has spread across generations. Thousands of years. Human progress allowed for Hitler and Stalin's influences to fall for the most part. But the bible and its tendency to be used to justify hate is still very much present. Why? Because it claims to be absolute.
Off topic but what is this mans skin care routine?????
Vanessa Campbell intelligence and coconut oil 😂😍
.5MM dermaroller once a week, and prayer
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol, I don't blame you, he was quite a distraction most of the time,😄 Beauty and brains, both him and Kimberly. They were also refreshing to listen to
I’ve loved all these interviews, but as a Christian, this one was something I didn’t expect but I’m so glad to see! Kim, this work is so necessary. Thank you!
He meant it! The man said what he said “BLESSING”. Free labor, increased social status...MAMMIES!!! Stop trying to “correct “ him. Whew chile, the mental gymnastics of you church folk...
OnyxFirefly 1 Church folk is something else!
THANK YOU!! As someone who suffered the unscientifical "conversion therapy" Christians fill their pockets with (which newsflash, did not work), honestly I don't understand how can anyone support a religion that perpetrated (and still does) war, racism, homophobia, and marginalization of non-white-heterosexual-men people...
Girl yes! 🙃 I appreciate the way he articulated the truth but we can just call it what it was: intentionally said lol
That YT man meant every word he said lmao
Finding some way to justify believing a religon forced onto your ancestors just asinine
@ThisIsMyRealName that very unintelligent what you just cause people don't follow traditional beliefs don't mean they are atheist or have to be
I was appalled by Lecrea agreeing with that racist. Why are people using the term police incidents? It's murder we are talking about. To say "police incidents" is to minimize this systemic form of murder.
Yikes.....did he really say "the blessing of slavery" Lecrea is better than that. I was so confused.
This interview was phenomenal. BUT it only fuels me with more arguments not to support christianity, to never advise anyone to seek help, guidance, care or love in churches. Black of white.
Christianity is colonialism
Christianity and its followers built the world that you live in that is free of slavery and gave you every freedom and privilege that you have today.
@@firepower7654 Actually, the Constitution grants you those freedoms.
@@SlimThrull While I would agree that the Constitution is the greatest document the world has ever seen, it was Christian white males who freed the slave in the western world. By no means did European Christians start slavery. It was something that had existed since the beginning of man. However, it was the European, and American white Christian males who ENDED slavery in the west. I say the west, because slavery still exists in Africa (there are open air Arab run slave markets this very minute in Libya selling black men, women and children, and it also exists in many places in India and Asia. The other rights that you are enjoying are because of the foundations of the European legal system run by Christian males who created the system from its morality standards that then created the US Constitution.
@@firepower7654 "it was Christian white males who freed the slave in the western world."
Sure, but it was also white Christian men who kept them enslaved. The fact of the matter is that the Church really didn't have any issue with slavery. It wasn't until the late 1800s that the Pope finally came out against it (long after the rest of Europe had already done away with it).
"It was something that had existed since the beginning of man."
Actually China banned slavery at around 10AD. So, no, that claim is false.
"I say the west, because slavery still exists in Africa (there are open air Arab run slave markets this very minute in Libya selling black men, women and children, and it also exists in many places in India and Asia."
It also exists in the US. The sex slave business is booming. By the way the 13th Amendment? It does away with slavery except as punishment. Constitutionally, slavery is still allowed in the US under certain circumstances.
'The other rights that you are enjoying are because of the foundations of the European legal system run by Christian males who created the system from its morality standards that then created the US Constitution."
Who largely borrowed those legal systems from Persia.
@Katy Twenty Actually, 200 years ago Islam countries were generally far more progressive than they are today. It really wasn't until post WWII that a lot of the trouble between the middle east and the west got heated up (though, there had been some issues, it's nothing like it is today.)
Were their issues in Islam by today's standards? Absolutely. But saying, "Well, my religion was just as bad as other religions," doesn't really put you on a moral high ground.
Oluwatoyin Salau. Say her name!!!
Oluwatoyin Salau. 🎈🎈
Le Spam People have shortened her name to Toyin. You could say that, in reference to her full name!
@Le Spam ... Your racism is showing.
Everyone should checkout Austin Channing Brown’s memoir I’m Still Here where she speaks on racism and whiteness within Christian organizations
Personally, I think that church has been taken away from me....And to our detriment. I want to take back my Christianity from the fundamentalists. I don't identify with them, but they've taken it over....so it's harder for me to identify as a Christian
Keep fighting.....We have Truth on ourside
As a white Jewish girl, I found this interview absolutely fascinating. I don't really know much about Christianity beyond the white Jewish perception of the Church as an inherently antisemitic institution. And while I do think that that's an important pov that shouldn't be ignored, the tendency of white Jews (specifically white Jews, because not all Jews are white) to view Christianity as a monolith (something I have been very much guilty of in the past) is often pretty racist, and it's something we need to work on if we're going to attempt to exorcize racism and anti-blackness from our communities. I've never taken the time to really separate black Christianity from my concept of Christianity as a whole and this video really made me begin to confront my biases in this regard, especially in the explanations of how black Christianity is fundamentally different from white Christianity. I'm looking forward to reading Jemar's book and further educating myself on the subject.
You deserve to be on national television. & as long as you get to keep creative control. This quality content deserves to be shared with the masses❤️
KIM! Ma'am! Come on with it!!! You have been ON IT with the content. Relevant, current, and truth telling. I'm so glad I'm a patron too. Keep it up mama ✊🏾
To me, it really does not matter if Christianity is white in origin or not. I am very familiar with the systems of power that helped Christianity become the tool of white/cis/hetero patriarchy (ala Council of Nicaea) and that's due to the Bible itself.
It lends itself veeeeery well as a tool for control. As much as I dislike it there is a plethora of evidence that the Bible even in the time it was written (specifically the old testament in terms of the Torah) to be a tool of control of human sexuality and gender roles etcetera etcetera.
The book itself is based off misogyny and homophobia, even within it's creation and it's use as a tool to propagate those beliefs.
I absolutely do NOT see Christianity as an investment worth making. Sorry. It just isn't. There will always be institutionalized misogyny and homophobia when it comes to the church specifically based on it's texts.
I agree. 100%. The council or Nicaea should turn people off from it. Its always clearly been a tool to control. But that's where it all started. Black people trying to make Christianity black is just desperate but to me it doesn't matter where it comes from. Furthermore. The I also don't believe in its claims. The miracles. The stories. None of it. No matter how many times a black person tells me Christianity came from Ethiopia. It still doesn't make me believe a man survived in a whales belly for 3 days. Shrugs. I think its very problematic that the world mistreats so many people due to this religion because of its passages when it contains such ridiculous claims.
We are desperate for the approval of the god our slave master forced on us.
Unfortunately a lot of things in the bible have been twisted to suit bigotry. The story Christians tell of why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for example is soooo dishonest. Especially when they use it to justify their bigotry toward LGBTQ2. I hate it. Also no one ever talks about the relationship David had with Jonathan in the bible. That was a straight up same sex relationship!
I had to stop the video to recommend a book that will enlighten you about white christian nationalism and religion. 'Behind the Mask of Chivalry: The Making of the Second Ku Klux Klan' by Nancy K. MacLean, Oxford University Press, July 13, 1995. ISBN-10: 0195098366. Back to watching the rest of an *excellent* discussion!
Thank you so much for the great share!
Yes! Thank you!
As someone who was raised in a deeply religious family, I've found myself questioning Christian beliefs through the lens of slavery. I will definitely be reading the books highlighted in this video. This is a needed conversation as we heal our communities.
I really needed to hear the last part. I have a great church. And I am a big believer. And my church is racially diverse like he said across all race and ethnic make ups. Prominently black for the location I go to.
I chose to stay with my church because they are very much about the ppl and always talk on race issues
Thank you SO MUCH for this. Love the guests you've had on lately. As a black Christian who deeply believes in the fight for social & racial justice, this was such a thought-provoking & amazing conversation. Love your work 💜💜
Really appreciate all of your interviews recently and especially this one, kim. As a black trans person who identifies as spiritual/a person of faith, I appreciated learning more historical context of black Christianity and White nationalist Christianity.
This is such an intelligence and worthwhile conversation (and I’m still watching).
However I soooo doubt that the Christian traditions of e.g. the African continent, the Caribbean, Asia etc has much to *teach* the American church because they suffer from the *same effects of white supremacy* . Either in very similar ways because of chattel slavery (eg in the Caribbean); or in the imperialist view of coming to Africa to convert the savages. This is a bit of a blind spot, I think
I agree somewhat. Christianity has ancient roots in Ethiopia and other parts of Africa. Maybe that’s what he was referring to?
Wow. Words cannot explain how quickly I reacted to how he said “white blessing.” I can’t believe this is our world right now. Excellent interview!
Interesting. While there, US, the churches are “divided” by “race”, here in Brazil it’s mostly by social class, which in a way is by race. Glad to see things are changing
It is so sad to see the division of the church as all. I’ll be praying for Brazil please pray for America. ❤️
I've been thinking about how all around the world the same issue is going on but in more homogeneous places it does play out more as classism. Are there any changes occuring in Brazil to address it?
So as a gay White man I watched this knowing I have traumas with White christianity but understand the importance of the church in the Black community and seek to understand more how the church is important for Black liberation. But I walked away only more convinced christianity is irredeemable, even in a Black context. Was anyone else bothered when he was asked about if it is possible to separate White supremacy and White christianity, he said, "I'm not looking for perfection per see. I am looking for progress." Any time I am dealing with Black justice issues in the school I work in, I am 100% looking for perfection, through progress. I will likely not get there. But if do not aim for 100% eradication of White supremacy in our schools system, then I'll never get there. It just felt like to me that he at some level knows at the very least White christianity is irreparable from White supremacy but couldn't say that because he is christian... I don't know. I'm trying to listen and understand the importance of the church and I do understand it is a community cite for liberation but can't seem to make sense of the beliefs that come along with it... In a slightly different direction of critique, I would have loved to see more on Black women in the church but understand there were technical issues. For example, why are almost all the pastors men? That seems to indicate that in most christian churches women, especially Black women, are being viewed as spiritually inferior or deserving of positions of power. But that could just be my ignorance from growing up in a White church. I would love to see a future video that focuses these sexist/racist patterns in churches. Loving these interviews!
I am a black agnostic woman. I heard him say that too. Dont worry. You arent the only one. I believe its irredeemable as well.
Take a shot every time he says "thats a great question." LOVING your interviews and all of the really thoughtful and well researched questions you ask.
When I read the Bible it states against the racism in white evangelical men that is their person issue IMO. Paul speaks about there being no partiality in fact to be racist is a sin. So those men are not following Christ. Not the true gospel esp if Jesus wasn’t white. Sorry
You brought on Jemar Tisby?
I have to stan.
THIS is the collab I didn't know I needed!!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
If they claim to be God's people but do not do right, they are wrong. 1John 4:20.
Very disappointed in the commentary you left on Twitter!!!!
Oooo you have some of the best conversations!!!
Big up yuhself Kim. I have been enjoying the interviews and the angles of the issues that gets explored. As to this video, I have definitely struggled with the idea that Christianity is only the white man religion that is used to control the rest of us. However after getting involved with a college ministry which focused on social justice issues, my perspective has grown and I can see where Christianity can have a place in the revolution for racial justice.
Maybe this is a little out there, but the point about multi-racial churches being culturally white, reminds me of how capitalism kind of absorbs minority cultures. And those cultures get either erased over time, or churned out to a more bland form and sold back to you. (Especially the radical elements, like the political activism of black churches, will definitely get diluted to a form that doesn't threaten the power structures)
Just wanted to commend you on the work you've been doing and how your work is evolving! I love all of the guests you've been having on! Go Kim!
Love this video. We don’t get enough discourse on racism in evangelical Christianity
I'm sorry, how did Lecrae nod at that statement like he was understanding where he was going and kinda even agreeing that it is a fact of the matter??? I've watched this many times in preparation for a book club reading of Tisby's book and I just noticed that. Couldn't have been me. SMH
They called it a white curse too so are we going to ignore that? White privilege and white blessings are similar terms. All they did was call white privilege something we say all the time what they don’t want to admit is that they are blessed to be to be white in America and all over the world, I didn’t see anyone deny how this privilege (blessing) came about.
Amen. The irony is thick.
I became a Christian in college and got saved through a mostly white ministry. The last few years of my life, as I've educated myself and become more political and social informed, I've transitioned out of that environment.
*Thank you* for bringing this man on to explain his book, the current issue, and its relationship with white Christian racism. I _really_ connected to this video the most because this topic is affecting my life in very real poignant ways today.
I will be reading this book next and sharing this interview with my black and white Christian friends.
Yah Bless.🤗🙏🏾🙂
Also it’s so nice to hear men fighting for a noble cause. I was starting to think men weren’t doing anything
bring him back for the questions that you were not able to get too. 😄this was very good and really enjoyed this.
Yes! A Q and A vid please!
I'm very early! Really love the content that you've been making lately.
im a Christian witch. and like I'm enjoying some of the moves away from traditional Christianity. one the other hand I'm sad because I hate when any religion is used to hurt rather than heal. I think that we need to get our churches together if we want people to come back. the church is the people, and so if we wanna heal the church we have to heal the people.
I’m catholic and I’d like to know how you are a witch and a Christian? Because the Bible condemns witchcraft so I’d like to know how you are both
@@toni9890 Where did she say she was a Christian?
Great interview! I did not know about the church splitting specifically because of slavery. This is not widely taught in the black church.
This was such an interesting conversation and tangibly answered so many thoughts and inklings that I have had about the overwhelming whiteness of Christianity. Seems impossible to combat in many respects as again, it's a system that wasn't built for Black people to prosper but rather seemingly to "accept" their place/plight within society. The whole thing actually sickens me and it makes sense why I have no desire to align myself with Christianity given its rootedness within a white supremacist patriarchal model.
I was very suicidal during an existential crisis around the time I was completing my confirmation. I stepped away from religion bc of my existential crisis and from questioning my gender and sexuality. I am still not religious, but after hearing Assata’s letter where she mentions Jesus as a political prisoner, I am able to form different views on Christianity that work for me.
Kim, this was a wonderful interview with thought-provoking questions AND fantastic responses by your guest. Thank you very much!! I am really looking forward to reading his book! It is time for the white Church in America to take a LONG hard look in the mirror and begin to correct the wrongs visible in the reflection. No more procrastinating. No more gaslighting. No more excuses. Either these people are disciples of Jesus Christ and His teachings...or they are not. Period.
This channel deserves millions of subscribers like some other commentary channels.
This was a very thought provoking interview!
can you please start posting the books you reference during the interviews. Particularly the books penned by your guests.
Truuly truly appreciate the work you're doing Kim!! Thank you!
Racism is not inherently part of Christianity. People are racist. God and Jesus are not. True Christians are not racist and would see it as sin against God.
This post is timed PERFECTLY. I listened to the podcast Ratchet & Respectable last night. Demtria spoke about this topic for about 10-15 minutes with Dr. Anthea Butler and I've wanted more info. Thanks Kim!
Yes!!! Same I came here from that episode too. Jesus was racist! I gotta do some reading - I need Demi to release the uncut convo!!
This was very enlightening and affirming. And non-contributive sidebar: Mr. Tisby is a cutie.
Honestly... I grew up Presbyterian and had no idea there was such a racist history there. I should have done my due diligence. BUT I can say that lots of things about my experiences in the white church didn’t sit quite right with me. So hearing this now is kind of confirming all those creepy icky feelings I had all along. I kinda stopped attending church bc of the preaching that was in conflict with my values/politics. ALSO the thing he said about white churches focusing on the gospel and good news of salvation vs black churches with the Old Testament and exodus specifically was so interesting to me! This was great, Kim.
Thank you Kim. I wholeheartedly enjoyed this interview.
Every interview you do is a 10/10 compared to literally any other channel/network. Thank you for educating!
I've been talking about this with my dad recently! A discussion needs to be had. My dad has his book, I'm going to have to give it a read.
This was excellent. GREAT questions, insightful answers. I’ma definitely watch this again! Thank you, Kim and Jemar!
Good morning Kim. I love your content. So well presented
I clicked on this video SO fast! I’m too pro black to be a Christian !!
As a Christian who is also white, my experience started with learning the children’s song , “red and yellow, black, and white, they are precious in His sight.” The fundamental value of EVERY human as being made in the image of God, whatever their skin color, was very much part of my upbringing.
Umm...ok. should we clap for you? the conversation is about your church leaders, not you personally. You can see the holes and problems with people who co-OP your religion for their own WORLDY reasons and still be deeply religious. Trust me, I'm Muslim, I know about bad PR.
Fatima Muhammed The tenor of the discussion was the inherent racism in “white Christianity” in this country. What about the Quakers who started the abolition movement ? What about Billy Graham and his work to end segregated crusades with Rev. Martin Luther King? Yes, we should call out the bad eggs in all religions throughout history, but to paint it all as hopelessly racist is not nuanced.
Heidi Rachel there is a difference between verbally affirming that every one has value in God’s eyes and putting it in to action. As mentioned in the video, historically white Christians enslaved black people, affirmed the Jim Crow era, a good number opposed the civil rights movement, and in the 80s/90s participated in white flight, etc. Even today, many white Christians continue to vote against policies for social and criminal justice, laws disproportionately affect black people. Hell, just four years ago, white evangelicals hired in Trump and continue to support him despite his blatant racism. So it’s good and well to preach love for all of God’s people, but until we see the white evangelical church move en mass to support the causes and policies that dismantle the systematic racism in our society, we will continue to call out the evils of white Christianity.
ladieluck1 the 1994 crime bill was Clinton and I don’t remember him being popular among evangelicals. I’ve heard many in the black community say Trump has done more for them than 4 previous administrations combined...2 Crime reforms, funds redirected to neighborhoods in need, low unemployment (precovid), etc. Personally, I had my doubts about Trump in 2016, but I now see him as a pragmatist and it is impossible to pin him to an ideology.
@@heidirachel9328 then why would he post a picture holding the bible your just acting woefully ignorant so typical
I'm so glad you're exploring this topic. It's the elephant in the room that some how always gets overlooked. Also, have you made any vids on the position that academic John Whorter has on racism? Prof Whorter is used a lot to discount the existence of racism by racism deniers because he's a black man.
This is a needed conversation. Thanks for this.
This is disgusting. Stop dividing the church and abusing the Gospel for your fake justice and getting gullible, ignorant people to give you money.
I really appreciate the work you do & the depth of this convo.
I’m disappointed, however, that with a guest who has such depth and nuanced knowledge about christianity in the US, that there’s no mention on how other African spiritualities/rituals, etc were integrated into our ‘remixed’ Black american christianity. I’m disappointed because that is something that RARELY comes up when self-ID’d Black Christians are speaking on origin/root/history of africans and christianity.. specifically of its influence over Black american christianity. I’ve only heard it brought up by folks who practice non-abrahamic religions//do root work//hoodoo or artists. It’s well-known the subsuming/remixing happened throughout the world creating traditional such as Santeria... I’d like to hear more about the Black American experience. Thanks again for all you do. - a new ida patron
Great point! I’d love to hear that as well.
you should interview Yvette Carnell or Antonio Moore
Woww 1. this is a great talk. I’m so tired of the repetitive surface level arguments and conversations. 2.This is such a huge point that no one talks about. Christianity was the foundation of American slavery. This is a refreshing take. Ibrim Kendie talks a lot about this in Stamped from the Begging. 3. Y’all.. that chemistry??? LETS explore it cus I’m living fo this 1 on 1
White blessing???!!!! What the f!!!
Racism is ignorance.... Race does not determine ones ability to learn or comprehend. Every race has intelligent beings that contributed to all of society. Anyone framing issues as black/ white/arab/asian is simply honoring and continuing the traditions of the KKK,other racist organizations or belief systems that need division to survive. Race has no importance to anything but medical and genetic issues, this is fact. Our differences are cultural not racial. Anywhere else you see race being brought up its someone trying to take advantage of someone or something for their own personal gain, or gain for an organization they support. Whether that be for free labor from slaves in the 1700's, or attempting to get views on UA-cam for money today. Stop the racist divide, it's honoring the work of organizations like the KKK, that is backwards and deplorable.
Why would anyone want to be apart of an organization (note i didnt say religion) where you have to fight for your humanity?
Disgusting. I hope one day people who believe all of this messaging will see through it🙁
Oof I was raised in the church and the way Christianity was forced upon my ancestors has never sat well with me
I was not expecting this interview! I loved his podcast Pass the mic and Im actually still a paying patron for it although I haven’t listened in maybe two years. My Beliefs about God have changed, still believe in many aspects but can’t rock with the church in general. I really wish you got into gender...
They will fight 🦷 and nails to keep power but God be god they will loose buy large Numbers.
Great episode! Talked on so many questions I've wanted to ask in the past but didn't really know how to frame them.
Thank you for all that you do!
I would have given this 2 thumbs up if I could have, great conversation
Omgggg you don’t know how long i’ve been waiting for this exact video😭 Ive been discussing the whitewashing/“patriotic” westernized christianity and how the right had totally co/opted the religion
Thank you for saying this. Christianity has been whitewashed 100%. No one even cares to look at the history of Ethiopian Christians, Nubian Christians, Eritrean Christians who were Christian BEFORE Europeans. There were Africans who set up churches in Rome.
This topic was so good and so needed!
Thanks for showing your true racist nature. How about you unlearn how to be first.
I don't know if I'd say black people are the most Christian I'd say that black people are the most spiritual and that we like to appease our elders who are all Christian because they were forced with Society
The data says that most Black people identify as Christian.
I learned ALOT listening to this. I had to listen twice and take notes. thank you so for providing this information and educating us. there was a lot that I did not know and understand. please continue providing this content to us.
This is one of the best podcast episodes that I have ever listened to. Thank you and you guest Jemar.
You are so darn gorgeous. I love your hair!
These convos have been very helpful in having informed convos with my family
🤔 Oh no Kim; I don't believe you can. But...I'm just gonna leave this here...😬
UA-cam:
1. Dr. Ray Hagins - "What is Christianity?"
2. Jesus the SUN god Zeitgeist
3. Jeremiah Camara Contradiction
4. Egyptian Mythology by See U In History
5. Caesar's Messiah movie
I actually used to go to jd greers church and he talked about racism and white privilege even then and that was in 2014 before the black lives matter movement started. While I do appreciate him doing that he is very pro life and against same sex relationships.
Respectfully, I would not expect for any Biblically sound pastor to be pro same sex marriage or pro choice just in the same as leaders within the Jewish and Islamic faiths.
Why would a Christian pastor be for ending the life of an unborn child?
S W oh I didn’t expect it either I just wanted to make it clear that despite his positive opinions on race and such he’s still problematic.
Christina here, this conversation was such a delight!
Jemar Tisby is🔥🔥🔥. Great conversation!
That man was one of my teachers in elementary school!!